My Hero Academia - 6x17 The Wrong Way to Put Out a Fire - Group Reaction
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- Well, that definitely seems like the wrong way to put out a fire.. The Normies review and discuss Season 6 Episode 17 after the reaction!
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With him saying the women in his family are useless he’s more so referring to the fact that they don’t understand where he’s coming from. He tried to talk to Fuyumi and his Mom, but pretty much got the same response “Do something else”. They weren’t helping with his problem he was having with his father, so he felt his brother was the only one he could turn to.
Did the subs say the same thing? The translation from subs to dubs tend to be messed with from time to time.
@@jaylenharris343 Well the crux wasn't changed. What I got from subs is that, Fuyumi, being adorably young, was very much worried about Toya burning himself up and wanted him to stop. It came from a place of love and affection and that's a lot of maturity for a toddler. So did the mom and tried her best to make him feel validated, but Toya wouldn't respect her because he thought he was being stripped of his dreams from his mother, who herself couldn't carry any dreams of her due to all the reasons told in the ep, by his pov.
Yet they were helpless solving the main issue with Toya, the invalidation and the feeling of being discarded and abandoned by his father, which could have been solved only be Endeavor himself, which is not their fault, but it was not something Toya could understand at a young age.
Due to their helpless attitude according to Toyas thinking, and mother's disposition along with his childish thinking of his sister not helping with anything, no wonder Toya saw women of the family as useless.
@@jaylenharris343 They said the same thing exactly it even said it in the manga. It’s a perfect translation
It's not like his brother was any help either, lol
@@nicolas._.2294 which is why he was telling his brother to not to be like the women in the family
It's very important that Rei asked Toya "Do you want to be a hero?" because the big thing is that, no, Toya doesn't. He just wants to spend time with his dad, who gave him the world and then suddenly abandoned him. But because Toya's an angry, hurt child, he doesn't know how to understand and express it. At school, all the kids want to be heroes because it's just childish fantasies for them, but Toya wants to be a hero because his father's Endeavor and Endeavor only has time for heroes.
Honestly I dont think we can definitely say Touya didnt want to be a hero, rather that his priority was receiving the approval of his father, before planning his career, which I think is extremely normal(doesnt mean he didnt want to be a hero, just that it wasnt as important as getting his father to love him). The radical difference here is that Shouto didnt like Enji from early age due to the abuse towards his mom , Touya on the other hand was maybe even a tad too forgiving and loved Enji regardless of everything...which lead him to chasing approval and attention, like most kids do.
Deku indirectly saved the todoroki family by saving shoto himself. Deku's actions influenced shoto and now shoto is the hero for his own family.
Save is a strong word. They are still pretty firmly 2 feets in hell. It could have been worse if Shouto did not meet Deku, but realistically Shouto while sees himself in Dabi, he never showed actual incilinations to hurt innocent people and generally d most probably turn out an okay hero..he d just never fully process his past. Shouto showed from the very beinning that he is the sibling that sees his parents and becomes their opposite. Without Deku he d probably just grow away from his family.
@@Kunoichi4ever4Shoto would’ve still ended up pretty bad. Not as in villain bad but as in ‘sorry civilian I could’ve beat that villain but I don’t wanna use my fire out of spite so people got hurt’
@@Kunoichi4ever4 are you serious, if not for deku shoto might have been close to dabi 2.0 not trying to forgive his father rejecting him and his father’s part of quirk that he inherited, he may have never tried to face his mother like he did after the sports festival, and if so Rei wouldn’t have the courage to stand here in front of Endeavor still afraid of hurting Shoto and newly learning about dabi would have been too painful and endeavor would have no scope for redemption because shoto wouldn’t have his back….. Deku,shoto’s friend is a saving grace for this family, literally approved by endeavor and thanked by fuyumi and even against giagantomachia deku’s words inspired endeavor to push through despite learning that his son is alive back from the dead
@@therealneal3034You underestimate trauma lol the sheer amount of effort it takes to break someone out of brainwashing born from hatred is insane man. Some are easier than others some are so far gone they’d rather let the meager ruin their own lives than move forward.
@@therealneal3034 Interesting thing about nuances of family drama lol its not as simple as hating someone especially when you see them finally changing the entire point is it isn't and will never be easy to repair a broken home. Dam near impossible to pretend it could be normal. But with time and effort shattered pieces can be used to forge something different. The goal isnt to replace hatred with forgiveness but to move passed it in a healthy way. Some people can quite literally change themselves.
Something that wouldnt have happened if todoroki never faltered in his goal. Deku caused a chain reaction imagine if no one changed? The entire course would be different even Shigarakis "growth" and group would look different.
The fact Shoto can forgive Endeavor too after everything really shows how big of a heart he really has. Hawks is definitely right when he says Shoto is an amazing kid, and going to be an amazing Hero.
Well to be fair, I wouldn't necessarily say he's forgiven yet. Until Shoto says that himself. They are at least coming together as family should at this time, personal issues aside. Though obviously it seems Shoto is on path of forgiveness (as Deku mentioned it seems like).
@@raec5426 he calls him dad, sounds pretty forgiven to me
@Blake That's still presumptive to assert that he fully has as of now. He called him that before during high end nomu fight, but then later see how he hasn't forgiven him after that from Endeavor agency arc.
Yeah I’d say it’s more of a mostly forgiven, but certainly not forgotten situation. Especially since now their family past is public knowledge and has literally came back to haunt them in the form of Dabi.
The show does timeskip like 2-3 months from end of season 5, so I like to think that Endeavor and Shoto probably got a lot closer during that time as well with him working at Endeavor’s agency. At least close enough that Shoto is ok with calling him dad now at least.
I call my dad - dad too... havent forgiven him for abuse and as a victim I can easily tell you I dont think pure forgiveness exists in this area...You wont ever trust the person fully @@blake8357 . AS a past victim you just know that it is unhealthy for you to keep the hatred inside, so you start acting more normal. If I stab you multiple times with a knife our of a blue, you wont ever give me a knife...its just as simple with abusesrs and their victims, you can grow past it and move on, be even civil and have a working relationship, but the trust wont ever be what it was.
I love how they started this reaction so cheerful and had no clue what was coming😅
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@@KUBADUC3 ikr thank you! Cant wait to see him this season 🔥
Yeah, this was called “The wrong way to put out a fire” for a reason. It’s honestly a perfect way of looking at what Endeavor did to Touya. Endeavor sparked the fire, and instead of giving it calm and gentle water or something to put it out, he basically poured gasoline and paint thinner on it, and then proceeded to ignore the fire and let it build, not realizing that he was not only the root of the problem but also the main one making it worse.
And by the time he did realize it, it’s all just too little too late.
Endeavor didn't just start changing when Dabi reveal their family secret. He started changing in season 3 and continued to change in season 4 and 5.
i know mans did not just tell toya to just use his ice powers 💀
Can confirm ignoring the fire does not put it out lol.
You're right. Using more fire will put it out 😀
Fuyumi was the only one born without any actual expectations. Rei wanted her so Touya wouldn't be alone. She was born before Touya started showing his quirk defect that's why they're only two years apart. It makes sense that Fuyumi keeps putting up a facade and wants her family to be "whole" again.
I like how in this episode they show Enji's face slowly disappearing from Rei's POV until all that's left is shadows and his eyes, which are what she hated, and what eventually made her (accidentally, on some level) throw boiling water at Shoto. It's a cool detail. I also like how monstrous they made Enji look. He's my favourite character in the series, and I love that they never let you forget he was a monster, and has a long road to make up for every single one of his crimes.
She knew what she was doing, she hated that he looked like his father. I think people are far too forgiving for her burning a 5 year old. Just because Endeavor was way worse does not mean Rei is blameless
@@rhecht8651 It's not accidental that she threw it, it's accidental in that I'm sure she meant it for Enji specifically and didn't mean to burn Shoto. But yes she did it, she holds responsibility for doing it.
@@rhecht8651she lost her mind due to endeavor he made her life a living hell.
Endeavor is to blame fot this.
@@tristanherb49endeavor essentially gave her some sort of PTSD, and unfortunately Shoto caught an outburst.
@@rhecht8651something tells me you don’t know much about mental trauma.
To be fair, Endeavor was trying to atone for his past before, its not just after it bit him in the ass.
Not that soon before. He only just started when he was unceremoniously thrust into the #1 Hero position.
That's what I was about to say! He came to this realization very strongly especially during the High End Nomu Fight. It wasn't once it went public, Even the mom could tell he was facing his issues during that fight.
@@apppletreee he still came to the conclusions himself. It’s not a reaction to punishment. It’s a realization that none of what he did to his family was worth the unceremoniously empty way he ultimately rose to the top. He let himself think it’d all be worth it once he or Shouto earned their way to number one. But he defaulted to that position and all of a sudden he realized… he wasn’t better. He hadn’t earned it. He hadn’t surpassed his own weaknesses in any way. Instead he’d thrust his dysfunction onto a wife and made-and lost-kids to satisfy his ambition… and none of them was worth “oh All Might can’t work anymore lol guess you can have the top spot, man”. He realized he had ruined people’s lives for nothing all on his own.
The 15 years that happened offscreen can’t be used as an argument here. The story as it’s told only focuses on the past year and so that’s the timeline we have to work with in terms of active character development.
Yeah, ultimately he realized his sins on his own, but then Dabi's story is revealed to emphasize that it is a long road of many mistakes to fix.
@@Nanjeroni exactly. Touya made it clear that everything Enji earned was forfeit (even if his methods were selfish and indiscriminately cruel to his other family), and Natsuo exists to draw a hard boundary of non-forgiveness and show that some things can’t be undone.
The strength of Enji’s character is that he faces these head on and accepts them-public accountability for his private failures, AND the fact that his ongoing efforts may never mend what he tore apart.
He’s true to his name, though, as Endeavor. He will always, always keep trying. He has a new goal to put that energy toward now.
I think Endeavor still earned the spot . He literally has the most solved cases out of all the heroes and was the only one who actually tried to surpass All Might unlike the other heroes. I will say Endeavor does represented the Hero society quite well. They are both flawed.
Yea, even all might is flawed. But still former and current no. 1 hero inspired many young people to be true heroes.
It aint really the point tho? Heroes are a job. You are kinda mixing a lot of things.Its like saying a police officer that saved 500 lives cannot be a piece of shit. We all knwo they can.
As sb who is currently lawyer, my job is also to "help people in need". NOW realistically how many actually moral people would you expect to be drawn to jobs like: doctors, lawyers, police officers? Ima tell you - not much. Most actually nice people evne if they finished the school they leave the field. Most people who actually enjoy the job are people who are not there for the people but for the fame/money/reputation. We have a saying as lawyer (and a lot of doctors I know use it too) - "if you actually care for the people, you will lose your mind in this job". The hero work d realsitically end up very similarly - it d attract people who like control, respect and money. Hence why we see so many people leave the job now that it aint as profitable.
Aint saying Enji cannot be a good person, we all see he did work on himself, but him being good at his job does not mean he is a good person. So while I do agree with yoru conclusion of him earnign his spot, I do not agree with the way you got there.
Yeah right idk where Marketa got the political stuff from
Two things can be true at once. Endeavor was a good hero who just also happens to be a domestic abuser.
He's a domestic abuser and not just called flawed lmfao
I think Touya's hate for the women in the family doesnt really comes from Endeavor, and more from his perspective on the women he knows. From an early age he learns his mother was basically sold to his father by his grandfather. After he was born, they had Fuyumi who was also seen as a failure. The universe of women in his family "are useless" to his young eyes.
Exactly. Looking at how Endeavor works with female heroes like Burnin’ and Miruko, it’s clear he values and respects them just fine. It’s not global misogyny. It’s what was going on at their home.
Note; Fuyumi wasn't seen as a failure by anyone but Touya. Endeavor was fine with Fuyumi not being "geared" for hero work, Rei and Natsuo never cared about the hero/quirk aspect, it was *Touya* who perceived her as a failure since she didn't get the training he did, which in his childhood mindset correlated to Endeavor's love as a parent. In a twisted sense, the only one who was considered a failure by anyone outside of Touya was Natsuo, whose quirk wouldn't be enough to convince Touya to give up
@@relic5752 Fuyumi was a failure because she was ignored by their father. He didn't mind, but he also didn't care. And there is an age gap between her and Natsuo, so Toya grew up with two women of no value to the most important person in his life during his formative years. Natsuo was born after Toya too was discarded, and therefore has a different association. To be clear, this isn't a logical rationale but an emotional one and thus the rules are not uniform or reasonable. Which as a rule of thumb, all misogyny is.
@@blacknoise yes because what endeavor showed as a hero definitely reflects what he’s like in his private life.
@@Karma-pq9fi huh?? If anything it’s the exact opposite to this.
Patrick FREAKING Seitz!! His voice helps make Endeavor one of my favorite characters! 🔥🔥🔥 (He also voices Jiren in DBS)
Patrick Seitz's done a fantastic job working the full range for Endeavor (villainous in Season 2, angry and resentful in Season 3, reflective in Season 4, repentant in Season 5 and broken in Season 6). Definitely a lot more to work with as an actor than the brick wall that is Jiren
@@Firestorm6651Lmfao the best synopsis of Jiren I ever heard was when someone said he was basically Superman with Sasuke’s backstory.
Seeing young shoto trying to defend his mom breaks my heart. Relatable sadly but better now
From the way she was raised and practically sold, Rei might not have valued herself enough to turn Endeavor down. Endeavor was kind to her before transforming into the monster he became. As many abusers do. And being under that intense situation broke her down even more and made it difficult to handle Toya. So while she takes on some of the blame herself, I can’t fault her too much. It’s EXTREMELY difficult to leave an abuser, especially when there are children involved.
calling him a monster seems a bit too much
All for One is a monster
@@davidnobre5660no fkin sht
Comparing all for one to endeavour is not even fair
@@akhandtripathi3836 exactly
23:49 Y'all focusing too much on this flash-back alone. This episode shows the breaking point not how everything was at the begining.
Episode 11 of this season reveals that the family was fine for a while up until Toya Quirks hurts him. They even revealed it was Rei idea to have a second child so they could, So Toya could have a the best of both world, that's how they got fuyumi. At the time Endeavor was fine to have just Toya. He only went further when he realised that Toya wasn’t going to stop.
That's why Fuyumi the little Sister is the one who was ready to forgive Endeavor the most and from the jump. She was back when the family was happy with Toya, she remembers how good things were before.
nah bro, the entire reason that endeavor had a family to begin with was to fulfill his selfish goal. he never planned to actually look at his children as anything other than a stepping stone, hence why he legit has like zero redeeming interactions with ANY of them as children. when that is the root cause of why you have a family, it was always going to fall apart. even if toya was born with everything it would still not have been enough to fix the jealousy in his heart, even if he says it would(characters are wrong sometimes wow what a thought) so no this notion that everything was okay before toya was deemed a failure is false and revisionist. when u heard the reason why endeavor had kids in season 2 you prob thought it was repulsive but now that you saw endeavors flashback of him going "things were okay" you all of a sudden believe it. nice one
@@luisfraga4759 i'm not saying that Endeavor was pure of heart when he decided to have kids. But at the time he was OK with just Touya and Fuyumi. The abuses didn't start until Touya quirk hurts him and Natsuo and shoto was born. Everything that was said, the negligence, the beating came after that. Touya wasn't trained away from his Sister like Shoto. So Things were relatively fine back then.
Fun Fact: Dabi in English is voiced by Jason Liebrecht who also voices Zeke Jaeger in Attack on Titan. The real irony is that both of them would have had great lives if their respective upbringings were swapped with the other.
I liked that both parents are responsible for Dabi like Endeavor kept neglecting and running away from Dabi because he was scared that if he stay with him, Dabi would want to become more like him. And Rei problem was she never stood up to Dabi like she his mum she should of been strong enough to tell him he cannot train but she kept letting him train without be strong enough to stop him. Also like Dabi was sort of the reason the family broke down, because before learning about Dabi quirk hurting him they seem like a decent family, and now he probably the reason the family will be fixed.
Rei did stood up against endeavour to spend time with him but endeavour shut her up every single time
Endeavor doesn't want forgiveness, he wants to atone, he knows he fucked up and thats why he try his best to be better
He's one of my favorite character by far, his developement is godtier
Fuyumi is so innocent 😭
10:05” his quirk was ethically sourced” it’s an underrated comment 😂😂😂
This is the most harrowing My Hero episode out of all of them. Even if Shigaraki's backstory came close, this one is scarier because it's too real, it's too close to home for so many people.
Scene of Toya falling with ball in S2 (red hair), now in S6 (white hair).
Studio Bones: 🤫 lol
Saw a comment that’s pretty cool head cannon regarding why this could be. Pretty much in season 2 the flashback was from Shoto’s perspective where as this was from Endeavours. The idea is that Shoto saw so little of Touya growing up that he literally couldn’t remember what colour his hair was
@Jet-G S5 had same flashback with red hair from Endeavor's perspective though. lol
We've already covered that Endeavor is no longer looking for forgiveness and being accepted back into the family, but wants to live atoning for the past separate from them for their sakes.
Toya's misogynistic comment isn't random. His views on the women in his family come from a place of contempt. The mom is popping out hybrids one after another, and Endeavor has no plans on Fuyumi inheriting his ambition. Toya has no one to share in his pain, despite having multiple siblings, and he hates his mother for being complacent. A point he makes this very clear in their last conversation. In his eyes, she has no grounds to speak on finding his own path or future prospects when her future was set in stone the moment she was "sold" into being Endeavor's spouse and agreeing to the Quirk Marriage. It's cruel but that doesn't mean anything to a child who's struggling to validate his existence every day after being deemed a failure.
Question , is it really misogynistic if he is adressing two people he had problem with for what they did? I mean yeah he said "Women" but would it be a derogatary term in that context?
Fun fact: the expression "illegal denim" was trending in Japan after this episode aired
It was trending when the manga chapter released too. lol
Constantly checking youtube to see when The Normies was going to have My Hero Academia Mondays
With Endeavor, it's not about redemption, he just wants to atone and make things better
It's not about forgiveness, but it is about redemption. Redemption is synonymous with atonement.
That discussion near the end is really interesting cause you're both right in a way. Yes, scandals like this do play a role in the hero rankings. Those ranking are made up of their performance on the job and public approval. So you better believe his rank will be plummeting soon (assuming that he'll survive til then and that the rankings will continue with the Hero Commission destroyed). However, ranks are not updated frequently enough for Dabi's reveal to matter yet. I believe they get updated publicly twice a year, the last one being the one we saw just before Endeavor fought the high end nomu in season 4. So for now he's still number one. But when and if the time comes to update that ranking, there's no way he won't drop.
I mean, hero society is collapsing in on itself, who knows if updating the rankings matter much after all this
@@relic5752 Right. My prediction is that there won't be hero rankings anymore after the war is over.
Shoto almost turned into another Endeaver if not for Deku's influence.
Endeavor wants to surpass Almight, he doesn't just want to be #1. Too bad the gap is just too big, like Almight put AFO down twice and Endeavor got in hospital after fighting a high end Nomu.
There is still big missing piece in Toya becoming Dabi.
I think they did a good job of showing that Endeavour didn’t just see his family as tools to best All Might. He genuinely cared for them and tried to be a good father and husband, but he made a lot of bad decisions that he thought were for the best. As time went on he became more and more angry and blind to what he was doing to his family. Now all these years later he’s finally seeing the monster he became and trying to make things right
Right. He just failed to admit to his family that he wronged them. Instead he pushed all the responsibility onto Rei and abandoned Toya.
He didn't really do enough to try as a father with his own statement about saying all he thought he could show Toya is the world of heroes.
Nah man. He genuinely cared, but he did not try to be a good father and husband. It's not that he prioritised work over family: for Endeavor, there was ONLY work.
I appreciate that they hold no punches in showing that Endeavor really did become a monster. The art and direction shows him fully as a domestic abuser. "Why didn't you stop Toya, Rei?" Endeavor screams. "Why didn't you do this one thing? Why did you make me hit you?"
Endeavor as he is now is fundamentally a different person, but unlike many other monsters-turned-heroes (perhaps most iconically Vegeta) MHA never lets you forget that Endeavor did horrible things and that his past has inexcusable crimes.
Best of all, of course, is that Endeavor himself knows and agrees with this. He wants to make things right not to redeem himself or seek forgiveness (he sees himself as irredeemable and unforgivable), but because it's the only thing he can do in light of all the wrongs he's done.
It's proven by his dream: for his family to be happy, he cannot be with them. Now that he's ACTUALLY trying to be a good father and husband, because of his past the only way he can do that is to stay away from his family.
@@Firestorm6651 Yeah I think your synopsis of Endeavor is correct. I just hope his family accepts him after seeing hard he is trying now and he doesn’t walk away from them even tho he thinks he can’t be forgiven.
@@Firestorm6651 It definitely wasn’t only about work because we see him going to Toya’s doctor visits and trying to get Toya to walk a different path so he doesn’t hurt himself. He doesn’t do a good job, and when he fails he puts the responsibility on Rei because he thinks that he can’t change Toya since he’s just as obsessed
His solution as a result is to abandon Toya and create distance between them hoping that by spending time with Natsu and Fuyumi Toya will move past it
Work was his excuse to run away, but if that was all he cared about he wouldn’t have bothered trying to stop Toya, he would have just ignored him the moment he was deemed a failure
It’s only once Shoto is born that Endeavour becomes truly/fully blind and focuses only on work and training Shoto. Toya attacking Shoto is the final straw at which point he isolates Shoto from the others and becomes violent leading to Rei’s hospitalisation Shoto’s injury etc. He’s a terrible father who became abusive because his first attempt at being a father failed, due to his obsession which he allowed to blind him and become the only thing he cared about
Thank you Normies for your deep insight and commentary regarding the sensitive topics this episode addressed. Really enjoyed listening to you guys.
Endeavour is by far the best character in the show. And the Todoroki stuff is by the most interesting stuff in the show as well.
Believe it or not there's still one part left of Dabi/Touya's story
I thought I'm the only one remembering this part
And things get even worst
@@ruuruuann The other part was when AFO rescued him... Yeah, that sh*t was f*cked up too.
i feel like their miss remembering some of the process here. endeavor and rei had fuyumi the daughter before things even started getting rough. so Chris saying rei should have left when endevour screwed the pooch with the first kid is just false. they showed endeavor happily training with toya when fuyumi was already born and natuso was probably close too. because they agreed the kids having siblings to support each other would be good. at this time endeavor still believed toya had the talent and quirk to surpass him. so they already had 3 kids by the time endeavor learned toya's quirk would only hurt him. this is when the down spiral happened.
he stopped training with toya and focusing too much on surpassing all might while hoping maybe he'll have the perfect quirk in his next kid. endeavor is definitely carrying a lot of the fault but fuyumi and natsuo turned out decent even though endeavor didnt pay much attention to them. unlike toya neither had the quirks endeavor wanted so he never trained them or pushed them to try and be heroes. literally toya just had an inferiority complex after endeavor probably said he could be an amazing hero that surpasses all might at a young age before learning his quirk doesnt suit him. but toya didnt accept that and feared one of his siblings would take his place as the one their father thinks can surpass all might. toya was only 8 when he tried to attack baby shoto and up to that point endeavor didnt do anything bad yet, he got frustrated at trying to surpass all might and at the same time trying to prevent toya from his self destructive tendency thats it. at worst he was neglectful but its not like his kids didnt get toys and got to play.
literally toya was the cause for him to even hit rei, and thats where rei's fault in all this comes from. i get the way she was with her father showed she was probably raised to be submissive but thats no excuse for being so weak willed you cant even stand up to your 8 year old son. that woman had zero backbone even when it came to being a mother. she was way too passive, and she knew at the start what this marriage was about. she should have known when it comes to endeavor if one of their kids has the quirk to be top hero thats what endeavor is focused on, so she should have known she would have to step up as a mother to the kids that dont have what endeavor was looking for. from the start endeavor was a hero looking to raise a hero. not a good thing but hey all she had to do was keep the other kids safe and she couldnt stand up to her firstborn son she was cowardly and weak willed. so her trauma that caused her to burn shoto is partly because shes weak willed. sure up till now the todoroki family crap was hidden from public but does anyone really think rei was so dumb she thinks endeavor a public image as a hero would seriously hurt her. all we know and was confirmed is he hit rei one time, one time because she didnt stop toya from going off and training which she knows will hurt toya. all her mental trauma is from one slap and him looking scary thats how weak willed this woman is. not to mention she saw endeavor frustrated about toya and being number 1 hero saw his glare not really aimed at her, then saw toya glare at her, then after toya attacks shoto she sees endeavors reasonably angry face, and oops now she is traumatized by all her kids eyes as well, seriously thats just sickeningly weak willed. so yeah endeavor is a shitty dad and husband but rei also knew thats not what he was aiming for in the first place. rei is a weak willed wife and a passively soft mom, They are both bad parents. and toya was an unstable kid
Also I feel like most other terms misogyny is an overuse term, there is nothing that shows me that endeavor has a hatred of women. He has a daughter his main sidekick is a woman, I think his family was built on a shaky foundation, his ambition. They basically were equivalent to what a political family is. I believe he loved his family but he also use his family as tools to carry out his endeavors.
Endeavor's tale is not one of redemption its one of atonement. In the manga Endeavor never hits Rei its only implied that he might have. Also most people miss this but the abuse only starts after Toya kept hurting himself not before. Its Heavily implied they were actually a happy family up to the point were Toya's powers started burning him which is where their entire story stems from. We come into the backstory with Endeavor already at wits end, he's been telling Toya to stop but he won't listen every decison Endeavor makes after this was his way to make Toya stop as we can clearly see "talking" to him wasn't working. Every decison we see Endeavor make albeit poor decisons weren't truely made out of malice or a lack of love for his family they out of his inability to handle the situation in front of him and thinking he was doing the right thing by ignoring his son hence the name "the wrong way to put out a fire".
I wasn't expecting a Tiger Woods and Endeavor comparison in this video, but honestly makes some sense to me 😂
Endeavor never wanted to be the number 1 hero, he simply wanted to be the strongest, and all might was the wall in front of him. He even told all might if he wanted to be number 1 he could of acted all friendly and played the lovable fool like him. After all might retired that massive wall in front of him collapsed and he could finally see the pain he cause his family because he was now the strongest hero
I feel like just saying he wanted to be the strongest lacks a bit of nuance. Because he could've just trained his quirk if he only wanted to be strong, without spending time doing hero work.
From his actions we can tell that Endeavor truly wanted to save people, so I think a better way of putting it is that he wanted to be the Best Hero, the hero who could save anyone and beat any villain. It's just that to Endeavor that translates to "Strongest Hero".
If I have any criticism of Endeavor's arc so far is that we never really spend any time on WHY Endeavor wants to be the strongest hero, there's no explicit scenes like All Might explaining his rationale for being the Symbol of Peace. So all that one can do is analyze his actions.
I basically only watched Rana the whole reaction xD Because same. I love Shoto at least as much as Rana :D And I finally got the same Todoroki pillow today and it's too adorable, I'm not letting it out of my hand :D
Endeavor's ambition/stubborness burn everyone like his fire. He eventually learned to stop but I wonder if Dabi can learn to stop too.
Dabi hated the women in his family because they ignore his feelings. He was still a child,… calling a child a misogynist is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. His sister even says the reason why she was responsible for Dabi’s childhood was because of her negligence. What dabi intended to say is that “the women in our household cannot understand endeavors eugenic-like thinking when it comes to caring about validating his sons.” The sister clearly doesn’t care about being a hero. So it was fair for dabi to say that given the context. He’s not saying just because they’re women they cannot understand him, it’s cuz his mom and sister don’t understand the want of validation.
Yes i agree with you!
You're right, also it wouldn't be unreasonable that he's also picking up some of the ways endeavor treats his mom that adds on, so for the Normies to blame a child for misogynist is crazy lmao.
Well yes but it's not like natsuo wasn't in a way like Fuyumi
I dont think redeeming yourself is really something with a finish line. Its up to the ppl you have effected to decide if you have done enough. You just have show the change with your actions and keep it moving. Even if youre not forgiven by everyone.
Just because you say "it's a political position" 4 times doesn't make it true,
It's a popularity contest and a poll that makes money in marketing on Heros names.
That's the point of the Stain arc, heros are there to make clout and money
Dont you think you kinda contradict yourself right now?
"Who you name as your #1 hero is a political statement"
One of the big criticisms of hero society in-universe is how commercial it is, the brand deals, the plushies...oh my god, Marketa is Team Stain
Toyas quirk is alot like midorias quirk. It damages your body in order to be used, but there is a way to use it without damaging you body, by lowering the output of the quirk like midoria does.
Endeavor should had taught Toya how to use just enogh power not to burn himself and he still would be a very powerful hero.
One thing I learned when researching trauma counseling is that the habits and trauma that was inflicted on you between ages 1-5 literally influence your subconscious behavior for the rest of your life. At Toya’s age, what was instilled in him all that time literally still effects Dabi now and that’s a very realistic depiction that doesn’t really get better without intensive self work and counseling.
Thank you for pointing out the profession vs personal. And no it is not a political move, Endeavor is the #2 because of his stats and the agency he created, he is very good at his job and we saw first hand during the intership in S5. In sheer number he beats Almight. There is an argument to be made of how many lives he has saved vs how many he is responsible for due to Dabi, and even then the numbers most ppl would agree for the "greater good" that he is better to have as a hero all together for society. Also great what was pointed out, it is not up to anyone else other than the ones he hurt, his family, to decide how to move on with him. And we have already seen Endeavour wanting and striving to atone, not asking for forgiveness. This was not his starting point, it was when he became #1 and when had to rethink everything that came with that position and how he got to there, reclecting and looking back, all already shown and set up 2 seasons ago. The only reason he never surpassed to #1 was because of what Almight symbolized. And look how great of a system that turned out. The failure in their soceity all stems back to Almight.
I love that no path in My Hero is a straight line. A lot of Shonens would’ve had Endeavor have a redemption arc culminating at his victory over the high end. Here, he wows the world, truly becomes number one. Then his family resists him rightfully. Natsu, the most resentful, even starts to open up to him. Then Dabi happens and the country largely hates him and the dam breaks. Endeavor making this a quest for atonement is really powerful and they don’t shy away from showing how heinous he used to be.
The kids didn't need Therapy. Wtf you guys saying he still a child. He need a DAMN ATTENTION And LOVE From his parent especially his dad.
Therapy and Mental Health is a trendy word now. They rather tell children to get therapy then to tell the parent to do better lmao.
Next 2 Episodes gonna be Fire 🔥.
I'm loving Chris's commentary. Keep it up.
Remember that he want to show endeavor how his flames turn to blue and his emotions kinda influence the intensity, but that’s when he lose his control so he never get the chance to see that feature.
For him, he died that day so the fact that Dabi uses only blue flames (things that endeavor didn’t teach him) he just didn’t connect the points.
27:30 Mickey is right I think
I mean Todoroki said it himself in season two when choosing his dad’s hero agency. “ my old man is a scum bag, but a scumbag with the judgment, and instincts of a number 2 hero and I can acknowledge that.”
Remember when Nahid was SOOOO sure and confident that Endeavor never abused his family and the very idea that Endeavor pushing his wife to the breaking point that she burned Shoto's face was that most absolute insane idea ever to be brought up? lmao yeahhhhhhhhhhh
When was this? Because they even showed Endeavor hit his wife during season 2 flash backs. I don't know why so many reactors are acting like this is the first episode that showed Endeavor hit his wife, they're showed it before in another situation.
@@Mr.YasQueen It was their reaction to season 4 episode 24, post discussion. 😅
@@JamesWiseMagic Then Nahid forgot also I'm guessing because they clearly showed Endeavor put hands on his wife in season 2. IDK a lot of reactors forgot, maybe they don't wanna remember idk.
It's ideal that it takes 2 parents to raise a child properly, and neither one of them was there. Yes that was 100% due to Enji's actions
I get what Chris and Marketa are saying, but it's only because they know stuff that the rest of the world doesn't. It's dramatic irony.
Can't wait for next reaction! I wanna see how they will react!
After the first half of this episode, I just check out. Hawks and Jeanist walking into their conversation killed the whole mood.
The dark tense music made this episode even better! Not to mention the fantastic voice acting as well! Anime dubs are getting better and better these days!
Probably my favorite episode of the season so far
I think the saddest part of all this is that both Enji and Rei were just... afraid. Of course Enji is the MOST to blame but essentially he was AFRAID to face what he did to his son, and Rei in turn was AFRAID to look at a son who hated her. And that fear, and essentially cowardice on Enji's part, is what caused them to turn away. The two of them had their first kid AT AGE 20, they were themselves CHILDREN, and by the time Shoto's born they're not even 30. This isn't an excuse, btw, but it does show how ill prepared they were to be parents, thinking that having more kids would solve their problems, and the kids have suffered as a result.
I can discard Dabi, for me he is to far gone for redemption, Shigaraki for me is also too far gone. I don't think massmurderers should be redeemed. Which is why Hawks exists, because he had a similar origin but went the other way.
The thing is Endeavor doesn't want redemption, and that's not where Hori is going with his character, Endeavor wants to atone, he wants to amend, he doesn't want to be absolved from his sins just for good behavior. He is constantly reminded of what he did, he owns that, and he pushes forward trying to be better even if his family will never forgive him.
He's my favorite character because of it.
THIS.
Being number 1 is not a political position, it's decided based on number of cases/crimes solved, popularity and approval rating...btw Endeavor's story is not supposed to be a redemption arc but him atoning for his sins
The tragedy of this family is that neither parent was ready to be one. For spoiler reasons Endeavour clearly had no way to really know how to be a father and as he said he genuenly had no idea what to do.
Also Toya saying that he always starts crying when he gets exited and crying blood at the tought of what the family is going through shows that even though he said that he should be incapable of crying he is so exited to see Endeavour in pain that he still did it. While Toyas backstory is sad he has basically underminded it by being fully willing to get his family killed just to hurt Endeavour and he has also killed 30 inocent people who had nothing to do with this whole thing. Hell even Deku who basically knows how shit Shotos life was gives Dabi no sympathy for his actions.
IMHO, The mother is also to blame, she didn't have the backbone to make a stand, she just acted like a leaf in the wind, hoping the wind is kind and gentle to her. Choose to go along with her greedy parents wish, quietly let herself get used for someone elses dream, child speaks back at you about your life which is 100% true but outta line. She should've taken some form of charge of her life, nothing good will come if you do nothing.
There's a saying "90% of the world is in you hands, 10% is destiny/fate/luck."
Yeah, she took responsibility...
Idk why but hearing “the number one hero Chris Johnson” sounds so funny to me. Mabey because I could see that as an actual heros name
Literally the best episode of all of my hero! I love dark storytelling that was beautiful. 👀
Endeavor felt terrible being #1 due to All Might stepping down. He wasn't necessarily rewarded for it.
It was a classic Pyrrhic victory. He got everything he thought he wanted, by default/without earning it, didn’t enjoy any of his time in the sun, and finally got a chance to recognize everything he did to his family for this lofty goal wasn’t worth it. The lie he told himself to keep pushing and pushing and forcing his training on Shouto… it wasn’t worth it. Hell can be getting exactly what you asked for sometimes.
Ya know All those scars and burns in present Dabi?
come from touya's (past dabi) fire Quirk he's not resistant to his own flame unlike Shoto or Endeavor it hurts alot
Endeavor is not irredeemable.
All for one is irredeemable. Endeavor gets a lot more hate than all for one
yeah, it's crazy, sometimes my hero goes places you never expected.
The number 1 hero is someone who is the best is saving lives/stopping villains, and is also popular among polls. Endeavor obtained the number 2 spot and then the number 1 retired, giving Enji the spot by default.
Endeavor didn't get the #1 spot on his own terms(skill and recognition). He hardly had time to process the change. Surely if the country knew about his dirty laundry public perception of him would've been different. But we can't really say he became #1 while deviously hiding his past or something like that. It was thrust on him. Like Dabi said, once Enji became #1 he really started trying to fix things with the fam to fit the title, albeit with little success of course.
Being Number One isn't a political position, it's a popularity contest, and asking for the Number One to be squeaky clean without issue is exactly what lead to this mess in the first place.
This is an incredibly complex episode with lots of nuanced emotions. I was CONSIDERING going through this whole thing point by point and cover the in depth nuance, but it got SO long even I realized, “No one will read this.” And I scrapped it. XD there goes an hour of writing. So I’ll just say the bare bones.
This STARTED as a quirk marriage, this STARTED as a passion project to surpass All-Might. But became a large scale effort to prevent the golden child Touya Todoroki from endlessly pursuing a route in life that would most certainly lead to his own death. Each effort got blunter and blunter making another nail in his coffin instead of a deterrent and accidentally creating a sociopathic murderer hell bent on destroying what is now a somehow more functional family now than ever before. Rei hated Endeavor, but has come to realize she never took it on herself to understand him. (And won’t give him leeway.) Her mere presence from a situation she DID have the power to walk away from and take the kids with her is the sign that she DOES still love Endeavor. And I see that flower she brings in as a “Let’s start over.” Not for the kids, but for her and Enji.
Endeavor has INCREDIBLY weak empathy making NONE of his methods work correctly because he didn’t use them with enough care. Even though each choice DOES actually have logic behind it. The ONLY thing that you can tell how much he empathized with was the absolute terror of Touya’s quirk recoil. He knew EXACTLY how much it hurt him because he considers his OWN recoil the exact reason he’s not Number 1. And as All-Might got better, it showed the gap for Endeavor, but also how hard Touya was pushing himself. He was struggling in vein to stop this, but didn’t have the emotional capability to do it. He also has among the WORST emotional traits. The trait of showing sorrow and fear as anger. He is DESPERATE to not show vulnerability. And I think that is EXACTLY why Rei knows he IS trying. Because it’s a mask. And he can’t maintain it forever. This crash is years too late for the kids to see. But considering what kind of man Endeavor is, it also shouldn’t be surprising it took til THIS happened.
There isn’t a single family member that doesn’t feel guilt of the events. But there also isn’t a single one that doesn’t desperately want to fix things. Natsuo is the MOST resentful of his dad, but even that doesn’t spell to me he will cut him off once Touya is stopped.
The chances of Touya Todoroki having the ultimate irony of being ANOTHER half cold-half hot wielder is TERRIFYINGLY high he could have grown to in his adulthood. I have been curious about how he cried when he got excited. And that may have been melted ice for all we know. His hair STRAIGHT UP matches Shoto for a year or so. Natsuo lost his red hair, and Fuyumi stayed the same. Touya’s went through a LARGE transition. And while Shoto’s hair has no connection to his quirk, (DNA is not constrained to one side of your body. If he has both, it doesn’t mean it HAS to stay on one side.) that doesn’t mean that it’s exactly the same for the other siblings. But it would be the ULTIMATE irony and nothing would hurt the Todoroki’s more that he ACTUALLY transforms his quirk more. (This is an unproven theory, but I do VERY much so believe in it.)
And the final thing regarding the Todoroki’s. It’s important to say only a victim can forgive an aggressor. Whether we feel it’s deserved or not is irrelevant. And it seems the Todoroki’s are inching closer to that point, even if Dabi obviously isn’t. So it’s worth pointing that reality out. And exploring why they feel he COULD earn it if he tries harder to be communicative and understanding.
But if there’s one thing above all I love, it is the mere MENTION of the term One For All blows the lid of more than a CENTURY of hiding from AFO, the government, the public, and all other villains. The MOMENT Shigaraki says where is OFA, Endeavor asked what it was. And Deku IMMEDIATELY ran from the evacuation site and Shigaraki went after him INSTANTLY. It wasn’t the extra quirks that gave him away, it wasn’t Bakugo revealing anything, it wasn’t Deku being registered quirkless in elementary school and middle school. It was JUST the fact that AFO found out Izuku Midoriya was the 9th wielder ALL THE WAY back in season 3. He used Search and shouted at All-Might. The worst case scenario had ALREADY been laid bare 3 seasons ago. It’s a MIRACLE it lasted this long. But the unknown connection to All-Might, AFO’s grudge with the man. Deku being hunted. And just…there’s no more hiding it. Thank GOD only the Todoroki’s have become aware with the top 3 heroes. Everyone else just believes it’s a connection with AFO. Which it is INTEGRALLY. But Deku becoming the new Symbol of Peace and All-Might’s successor HAS to be prevented from being FULLY leaked because then Deku gets blamed for the war itself. Because ALL OF THIS. Was for the sole purpose of hunting him down to kickstart the Dark Age AFO created before the era of the 4th holder.
It breaks my heart seeing Bakugo in a state where he likely would have barged into Deku’s hospital room and he would have screamed at a comatose Deku. (Such loving friends willing to do anything for each other right guys? I know he’s made strides, but that is PURELY Bakugo development. Not their relationship. I have to say it again.) But Uraraka and Iida would ABSOLUTELY be in the hospital room waiting for Deku to wake up if All-Might hadn’t asked for the room to himself so he can try and sense the OFA conversation. (Not at ALL a signal this man might just still have the prime power. It’s ANOTHER signal I can’t ignore.) It would make it SO much harder to see because the two of them care for Deku’s well being more than any other student.
And last but not least, get me a poster of Iida holding his chest. Because I am throwing that on the Iida chop gold medal pile. What the hell is he doing? I don’t know but I love it.
This episode was wild
The worst part of this is how realistic it is. Most criminals are often just kids from dysfunctional families. I also like how this show allows growth but also shows that the consequences of your past actions wont just disappear once you became a better person. If you cause a car accident coz you drank before driving, you may become the most responsible driver in the future, it wont change the fact that your hurt or even possibly killed sb.
All Touya wamted was the love of his father, the attention of his father, the tragic part is that he still is in a way trying to get the attention of his dad. Endeavour became a better man, but the fact he basically killed his son will never change. The fact he created Dabi will never change. And the only way to go forward is to accept it, bear the sins of his past actions and do better.
28:05 good point from Marketta. Being #1 is such a huge position that it is essentially political. I think that has a lot to do with All Might. He created the idea of a Symbol and changed the whole idea of what being #1 (and even a hero) meant. Mickey’s point about keeping them somewhat separate is interesting too. I think if you remove All Might’s legacy, that’s how people would see the #1 hero: a guy who is the best at something. It’s so complicated and I love it.
4:40 ok, that's not Todoroki, that's still Toya, he had red hair when he was a kid, but then he lost it
surij looks like hes rollin ahahaha. so laid back
Shoto's mom did take her responsibilities for what happened and she worked and healed herself and her association to her abuser with her kids. She could have up and left Endeavour, yes, but leaving an abusive situation is not easy even slightly. If you look at real statistics about abusive relationships and the amount of times the victims will choose to go back should be enough to know that it changes your brain chemistry and its ability to make good decisions. Once you add children to it as well, its a whole different situation, especially in Japan where the family unite is basically held on a pedestal to always uphold for your reputation. She was used as a baby machine and house maid, you can literally see how Endeavour treated her. She was responsible for keeping the children occupied and away from him and his "successor" whether it was Toga or Shoto. She wasn't even really given her own identity for most of her life. I think the blame is 99% on Endeavour.
27:00 not really. All heroes are more celebrities than politicians. They still have to answer to the public safety commission. Also if you remember when they announced the top billboard heros, they said all the different criteria that go into the rankings
I really love how baby shoto low key looks like stewie griffin from family guy🤣
U GUYS GONNA BE BUSY BC WE GOT TWO EPISODES COMING OUT IN ENGLISH TMR!
Honestly, when this stuff was happening in the manga, there were some really yikes takes from people. People saying that Touya didn't have it so bad because Endeavor never abused him. Like, news flash, neglect is a form of abuse. Not just neglect, emotional trauma. It felt like people were trying to shift all of the blame away from Endeavor and onto the victim, Touya. Because there are so many ways Endeavor could've handled this differently.
First, you should never try to live out your failures in life through your children. Side note, Endeavor seeking out Rei to create a powerful weapon is so yikes. It's not an act of love. It's an act of seeking power. Moving on though, once he found out Touya's quirk harmed his body when he went overboard, there are several things he could've done.
A. Tell Touya that he'll love him regardless on if he can surpass All Might and that he loves him for who he is as a person and not his quirk
B. Tell him that he can still be a great hero, just not the Number 1. And that he's fine with it because Touya tried his best
C. Tell Touya that he can still be the Number One hero but only if he finds a way to stop or minimize the damage done to himself(like how the Nurse at UA told Izuku to find less self-destructive ways to use his power)
D. Actually talk to Touya and stop expecting the problem to just go away, especially since he created it
If all of that fails and he still decides to have more children, there's always one final option(hypothetical if Endeavor had treated Touya somewhat better)
E. Stop training Shoto and Touya separately. Some heroes become partners to cover each other's weaknesses. He could show them both love and have Shoto cool off Touya when he begins to overheat and have Touya go for more powerful fire blasts that Shoto can't do. Raise them as sibling heroes
But he didn't do that. He instead ignored most of his family. When he wasn't ignoring them, he was harshly training Shoto or yelling or hitting Rei. Touya saw that he was born and tossed aside for his father's ambition. He revealed that he'd been watching his family after he burned up too. And he likely saw that Endeavor didn't change even after his "death". Endeavor got worse. He was replaced in life. And his death didn't change anything. He probably questioned why he was born at all. Until there was nothing inside him but emptiness and hatred. This was the wrong way to put out a fire. And that's how Dabi was born.
I know you guys watch the dub for this whole series but the sub for young toya was so good the way he said look at me endeavor had me in tears literally
Endeavour is one of the most interesting characters in the show so far IMO
I think the ranking is a popularity thing also, so who knows how the public would have received him
17:57 this moment between Suraj and Chris. XD
27:00 Let's imagine full power Shigaraki like villains show up. Who would you prefer, Washing Machine hero or Endeavor to save you. You need people with certain specific skills. Him being a dick, him being in position of power and his skill to manage certain crisis are completely different. Still, after all that, at the end of the day, these peole will be utilised, they will be used and once order is set in society, they will be casted out in the name of "delivering justice for his previous wrongs" because it doest suit the aesthetics of justice in a now-peaceful society.
Dabi: My dad was mean...
Guts: Sure he was...
yeaaa this society doesn't really do quirk therapy; It essentially boils down to the therapist tells you to stop, and if that's not good enough you're essentially labeled a villain, and if you're too much of a risk to society, you're thrown in Tartarus
To clarify, Touya does have *some* fire resistance, it's just not as strong as his ice resistance and it means he isn't immune to his own flames the way Endeavor and Shouto are. He's like 90% fire resistant, but that 10% does more and more damage as his flames get stronger
Gattaca is Such a great movie. It til this day is one of my favorite movies. Another good movie is called "The Island" it is also a great movie
Also, I really appreciate that you guys understood where Touya is coming from. I still see people saying Dabi was "bad" from the beginning and that Endeavor had nothing to do with how he turned out.
Yeah, Endeavor is one of my favorite characters, but people wanting to make too many excuses for him is... yikes. That's the whole point of his character to reflect on the mistakes he made. Ignoring that is counterproductive to appreciation of his character for the bad and good.
On Marketa's point, we all need to remember that Endeavour has the highest number of solved incidents of any hero. INCLUDING ALL MIGHT. All Might was number one mainly because his raw popularity and strengrh dwarfed Endeavour's. E's determination actually led to him solving the most crimes, and especially when All Might has retired, there really wasn't anyone else for the job. The next pick was Hawks who had to deliberately stay under the radar, and didn't want to be number 1 anyway. Then there's Jeanist who was out of action for months. Who were they gonna make number 1? Edgeshot? It's a shitty rub, but despite his faults, him becoming #1 was the best thing for society at the time, and the best thing for him in his personal life as well.
it is still craazy to me that a shonen tackled this kind of issue this well. they could have easily gone with the dad is bad, mom and kids are victim. the fact that they had the mom snap and burn her kid with boling water which creates a way more complex dynamic. and the dialogue and the scenes in this episode, that was some heavy shit. its like they took the todoroki family from a different more mature anime and put them in this show.