When To Go Hard and When To Rest w/ MMA Strength Coach Joel Jamieson
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This week on Barbell Shrugged we chat with Joel Jamieson, leading expert on combat sport training and founder of 8WeeksOut.com.
If Joel's name rings a bell that's because he's the author of Ultimate MMA Conditioning, which made ourtop 10 list of books that every Crossfitter should read. He's also the creator of the BioForce HRV Training Management System, an awesome tool that uses heart rate variability as a measure of fatigue and training readiness.
If you're interested in performance then you really should be considering HRV. Why not?
Great programming is all about balance. You have to know when to push forward, and when to back down so you can live to fight another day. Keeping the balance that makes extraordinary results and sustained progress possible. But that's easier said than done. Without a clear measure of readiness it's really easy to push too hard, too soon.
Any coach or athlete worth their weight in chalk expects to see great results. They are driven to succeed, they are quickly drawn towards high intensity and fancy tools because that's what the best use, right? Right, but rushing towards that result is the easiest mistake to make. The only thing it gets you is a weak and unsound foundation, poor mechanics, probably injury, and inevitably, a quick and messy exit from the sport you enjoy.
We can do better than that.
The coach and athlete have to communicate and understand all the gaps in the game up front. They have to take the time and cultivate the base before things get intense and the fancy toys come out. From there the push can build and build, but not without careful monitoring.
Every stress has to be considered, every addition to the training program must be accounted for. That's what makes measures such as heart rate variability so damn useful. It's an early warning to correct course before the rush takes hold, before the wear, tear and bad habits really start to set in.
Without that data programming is only educated guesses and serial assumptions.
Be honest, assess status, progress slowly, get all the data you can, then regulate the plan. Be honest, quantify it. That's the quickest path to improved performance.
Cheers,
Chris Moore
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Joel hands down underrated strength and conditioning coach.
He is the best
this may be the most underrated man in the s&c world
in the s&c world nothing he is talking about is unique. the knowledge for hrv has been known for sometime. im a D! coach and most of my peers already knew this very simple physiologic information. real strength coaches have read mel siff and yuri verkhoshansky so this hrv stuff is intro level knowledge. maybe to moronic crossfitters this is amazing but the crossfit world doesnt have real strength coaches just crossfit strength coaches
LOL k bro, talking to a Division 1 Football Player relax on your flexing, my school used the omegawave and im not talking at all about his use of HRV, but how he trains specifically energy systems and can simplify his knowledge so that average people can understand it, ive been in mma for a few years after football and neither d1 football and mma s&c coaches train energy system development. I get that u don't need that in football because u don't need to be conditioned virtually at all in comparison to mma but I was also a 3 sport athlete in hs and the only other sport that I see developing specific energy systems is track and field.. Most other sports - basketball/baseball all use the crossfit approach your referring to. In the mma community as an MMA CONDITIONING COACH he is ahead of his time, especially in the fact that he monitors his athletes conditioning in their specific environment, not in combine environments where u have no pads on and nobody bumping u off running in a straight line etc.. don't b so jealous bro, if u were more credible than him u would not have commented on this .lol xoxo cutie
mma strength coaches are usually the fighters buddy or some personal trainer so being ahead of his time in that sector is meaningless. I was also not flexing anything I am aware how bad s&c coaches can be at the d1 level. i just happen to be surrounded by some of the best coaches in the country. not THE best since there is no way to judge but considering their athletes see the gains they need and everyone is crushing weight i miht be biased. this man is probably a fine coach but to call him underrated is giving him too much credit as if the HRV is an unknown tool. he isnt original and listening to him speak it seems like he has above average knowledge but nothing unique. still a good coach though
prtitan27 1st of all appreciate the good debate, I completely agree that mma s&c coaches are extremely not qualified in a vast majority of cases, so having a man of his caliber in the sport is far from meaningless to me since I am now involved in the sport. From experience, Sport specific training in combat sports is much more relevant than in any other sport (generalizing). Seeing a coach take his ego out of the equation and training an athlete alongside other coaches and managing their workload/intensity accordingly is probably THE most UNDERATED tool any conditioning coach can use. ( I'm sure in your line of work you can understand what I mean by this.) I think your a bit stuck on people thinking that HRV technology is unknown and magical etc. I never once meant that was why he was underrated. If you see some of his results with UFC Fighter Tim Boetch he brought his rhr from 70's to mid 50's in either a 8 or 12 week camp. I do not know anyone who can do that to an already well established professional athlete in their 30's. Personally at 16 years old and 132 pounds, I researched online to develop my strength levels to 335bench,395squat atg, 285 clean, and 500 deadlift at 173 pounds by 17 1/2 years old. ( I know there are more impressive numbers/stories out there than this) But from this background, I feel that developing strength and weight gains in testosterone raging teens/young adults is much easier than developing energy systems to improve performance. I am finally reaching those lightbulb moments in my conditioning with his collection of ideas and the results are actually crossing over into the ring/mat. This is why I think his methods are underrated and underutilized in the mma community, whether he came up with these ideas or not. I highly recommend researching more about how he organizes his information for mma athletes through 8weeksout.com. This basic short podcast does not do the man justice, I think that's where the confusion is.
very informative! especially for martial arts practitioners.
when are you going to interview Rich Froning again? he's been doing really good in the crossfit open and the regionals. he won first place in regionals for his division. are you guys going to do the same thing as last year and interview him a little before the games?
I've recently read that tumbling (T-Nation; link below) could really help round out your training. It increases body awareness in general, it increases your work capacity (rolling around on the ground is harder than it sounds), and also acts as a sort of foam rolling (but with the ground) by opening up your joints, shoulder girdle etc. I'd bet Doug would be a good candidate to speak to this. Also would love to hear more from Doug on his experience in MMA, training for etc.
www.t-nation.com/training/4-ways-to-fire-up-work-capacity
Does anyone know where I could find the "Dr. Fry 10 sets of 1RM study from the University of Memphis" referenced in the beginning of the podcast?
What was the Heart Rate Monitoring app they mentioned?
cool intro
Conner Moore might be 6'4"... But so am I, and I have 50 Pounds on him, 265 with Lean Mass of about 240 :) (Ya, claiming biggest crossfitter!)
John Konye yea but he’s 11 inches
Please put a shirt on.