Andreas Schleicher: Use data to build better schools
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- How can we measure what makes a school system work? Andreas Schleicher walks us through the PISA test, a global measurement that ranks countries against one another -- then uses that same data to help schools improve. Watch to find out where your country stacks up, and learn the single factor that makes some systems outperform others.
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My maths teacher once told me the following single sentence that changed my view of not only the subject, but life in general. He said: "Talent is a cursed word. Those who have it believe that it is adequate by itself, and those who don't have it believe that they stand no chance of success without it". What I learned from it is that persistence is the single most important factor of whether you succeed in something or not. If you don't try to succeed at something, your chances of succeeding stand at 0%. If you at least try, your chances of succeeding will increase significantly. Even if they go up by 1%, you have to remember that 1% is infinitely more than 0%. For those few who have read this far, remember to persist when doing something that you love, and don't give up too soon. After all, giving up is just a waste of time.
Not exactly. Doing the exact same thing, expecting a different result is a definition of madness. Often it is better to cut one's losses, and do something else. If it hurts, stop doing it, and learn from the mistake. For example when globalism fails, perhaps more globalism is not the answer, indeed may have been the problem? The exact same could be said about socialism, communism, liberalism and progressivism.
Yes like a mindless spider, trying and trying again may even get you to the top of the wall, but you may find that it was not worth the sacrifice or time spent getting there. So what, you got to the top of the wall, where next? Perhaps you and everyone you know, would have been better off if you had stayed at the bottom of the wall, and just concentrated on achieving a better life down there?
Why are we so determined to make our mark on the material World, to achieve what exactly? I am not saying never do anything to better the human condition, but to make sure that this is what is actually going to happen.
Ambition is a double edged sword to say the least. Without an objective morality, or divine guidance it won't just cut both ways, it will cut only one way, with perfectly awful results every time.
@@garypowell1540 Same result for the same thing only happens if you're doing it exactly same. Maybe you should do different thing, but maybe you should do the same thing and improve it.
"PISA's strength doesn't lie in telling you what you should do, but in telling you what everyone else is doing"
That is a great line.
Excelente video que nos muestra que tenemos mucho por hacer en mi país, pero en especial, yo como maestro, ver mis carencias pedagógicas para mejorarlas y que mis alumnos entiendan el por qué del conocimiento, que no debe ser agobiante y que mi materia no es la única. Gracias.
Este video debería ser de conocimiento y comentario obligatorio para todos los docentes, mis agradecimientos y gratitud a quíen lo selecciono para motivar en el curso de enseñanza efectiva en el aula.
Enjoyed the talk. Thanks a lot!
breath of fresh air...enjoyed view of education
Personally I appreciate diversification. However, currently the countries with the greatest education performance ratings seem to be countries with very low ethnic, cultural and linguisitic fractionalization.
Andreas Schleicher talk gives us valid insights about the education scenario of the world. I think, he could've told little bit more about what PISA does, its goal etc., Still this talk is very good. Highly recommended.
شكرا جزيلا
Phenomenal!
Great Talk!
Interesting exception!
very true.
My favorite part. 2:35
Results of these tests are product of intelligence (which is not same in average for every country), culture and quality of education. Therefore, these tests do not show what the quality of education in some country is, because tests are not measuring quality of education alone, there is no control group. Two ways these tests can show quality of education in some country is: 1) to move some kids to different country for some years and see if they improved, 2) change constantly education system in one country and see which system is getting better results.
his point that school (especially american ones) sort students instead of train them was very accurate and profound. currently a college student now and i have never noticed that before
Except Canada, which has huge amounts of both.
Big corporations often do have training programs for their employees.
It's not that we should all be knowledge workers. However, we should all have the freedom to choose what we want to do with our lives. Greater education gives us that freedom.
video en español.de Andreas Schleider, Para Construir Mejores Escuelas.
Goods are the result of my labor. Services are the result of my labor.
"you don't know whether your accountant is better than another"
That is what Reputation is for.
"Private schooling is not equitable"
Of course it is. It's available to anyone.
Personally I like homeschooling.
What Pisa does is placing ultra-complex education systems on a scala, what that results in is an excertion of pressure on schools teachers and students to race upwards on that scala which results in learning-bulemia, and how can you possibly link Pisa to the performance of countries if germany is below poland and portugal.. can you name one international coorperation from either poland or portugal? is portigal on the verge of completly breaking down?
I'd like to see those PISA results for each of the 50 US states.
Finland has a low pressure school system with elite results, successful Asian countries do that with extreme pressure. Good on Japan and Korea for the results, but I know I'd rather go to school in Finland rather than there.
I've been taught in both the U.S. high school and that of a third world country(TWC). Comparing the U.S. and the TWC system, I found that family/society standards made a difference. Like some Asian countries, TWC expected students to do well. A failing student or a bad ass child was seen at fault and not the teacher, this is contrary to society norm of the US. Not to say that some TWC students never misbehave but I observed a great number of bad US kids and it was socially accepted.
well wealthy developed countries that spend their money badly i think is one discussion but i think the most important thing to mention here is that it takes a very organized government to put together a good education system something that the large majority of countries on this planet doesnt have....great work with this pisa thing
It was interesting to find that TOFEL, and TESEL scores do not even come close to matching the PISA scores. The reason (for China) is that the Chinese government dictated the schools that could be tested. Shanghai had the No. 1 school in Shanghai tested, and only about 100 students tested. I had thought before doing me research that PISA was a valid source of information. They need to do a lot of work and "randomly" test schools. Remember they only test 74 schools around the world...
Finally! I've found someone who's alive with the same first name as me!
PISA is an exam based system. It only measures and judges what can be measured in a one off examination.
Some times it's hard to understand people with accents. Does anyone think these would be better with sub titles?
nice
A focus on language, maths and science only. It's education and the open market. A 'right' politicians dream. Unfortunately PISA is low stakes. Yet politicians see them as high stakes and change educational policies based on the league tables drawn up by OECD.
Excellent. Spending on schooling is just spending on memorizing things that are completely and utterly useless.
I just don't get the obsession with small classes in US K-12 Education. Meanwhile, in Colleges, it's perfectly okay with 300+ person classes.
Actually, we have many private schools in our country and that "solution" is by no means the answer to a better education. The discussion goes instead towards letting the school be controlled by the government.
The biggest problem in the schoolsystem of today is the pedagogics. That people get stuffed with facts, like you insert data into a computer. A computer is actually much better at remembering facts, so we should focus on teaching people the big picture and how to find and use knowledge.
Competition works. That way, if you admire Finland, you can go to Finland or create a Fin-style school here.
Just don't use coercion against others, and you and I have no argument at all.
I am pretty sure that Finland's educational system is nothing special. If really Finnish schools and universities were so good, there should be a great number of widely renowned Finnish researchers: as far as I am aware, this is not really happening and I can assure you that the range of diffusion of Finnish research impact has ever been parochial. Actually is quite impossible to measure the effective "excellence" of Finnish education because of the language. Finnish language has Finno-Ugric origins, spoken only by Finns and very few connoisseurs. No foreign observer is really able to test the quality and methods of teaching during the lessons. Frankly, the criteria used to judge educational systems by OCSE/PISA are ridicolous. Every country should develop its personal educational system according to its cultural traditions.
@@franzbiberkopf9179 Results of these tests are product of intelligence (which is not same in average for every country), culture and quality of education. Therefore, these tests do not show what the quality of education in some country is, because tests are not measuring quality of education alone, there is no control group. Two ways these tests can show quality of education in some country is: 1) to move some kids to different country for some years and see if they improved, 2) change constantly education system in one country and see which system is getting better results.
Results of these tests are product of intelligence (which is not same in average for every country), culture and quality of education. Therefore, these tests do not show what the quality of education in some country is, because tests are not measuring quality of education alone, there is no control group. Two ways these tests can show quality of education in some country is: 1) to move some kids to different country for some years and see if they improved, 2) change constantly education system in one country and see which system is getting better results.
These tests are not even able to measure the intelligence of a person (which test can do this?), but a small range of abilities, for which a certain kind of training is necessary. It is proved that Finland and other countries reaching the best scores in these tests are shaping their whole educational system on the required abilities to be able to improve the scores (with significant damages, which have been signalized by many teachers and intellectuals around the world). I have a too big consideration of the human intelligence to think that a bunch of people with nothing better to do than inventing "ex novo" these tests would be able to measure the intelligence or the education level of a country. I personally disagree with your criteria as well. First, maybe some kids would really struggle to adapt in a new environment, but that does not entails that they are less intelligent than others. Second, changing costantly the educational system of a country would just produce an indesiderable chaos and, even though a system will produce better scores, that would not demonstrates that one system is better than another.
Beautifly
So disappointing to see a city as evolved as Dubai score so badly :/
14:45 - quote of the day.
American student - if I fail at math, it's because I don't have talent for it.
Japanese student - if I fail at math, it's because I didn't invest enough time into it.
In other words:
American student - If I fail, it's not my fault.
Japanese student - If I fail, it's my fault.
The Japanese are on the road to success.
how do you compare reading in different languages? isn't it totally different for people from english speaking countries and people from asian countries which have unique symbols for every word? and isn't it kind of weird that he says they challenge the children with unique/new problems and than measures reading???
I wish you were right. My experience when I hear mothers of my generation(generation X) talk about their children, one of their priorities is to be able to spend time away from their children. I have a feeling today's kids are the most spoiled and at the same time most unwanted children ever to grow up, how contradictory that may sound. The reason why, as you mentioned, selfishness. Any thoughts?
Go to pbs.org and watch the Frontline episode called "College, Inc." You'll notice large amounts of problems with for-profit schools. There's also a moral objection - I should be educated for the sake of being educated, not for the sake of profiting shareholders. That's a HUGE conflict of interest. Also, not everyone can afford to pay for their education...
Actually the schooling system in Finland is extremely fierce and competitive... much like asia
Results of these tests are product of intelligence (which is not same in average for every country), culture and quality of education. Therefore, these tests do not show what the quality of education in some country is, because tests are not measuring quality of education alone, there is no control group. Two ways these tests can show quality of education in some country is: 1) to move some kids to different country for some years and see if they improved, 2) change constantly education system in one country and see which system is getting better results.
14:40 THAT is so true.
People used to go around and think that they were better in something and worse in something else.
I used to be told that I perhaps wan't good in math and that I should keep investing in subjects in the society-science field rather than in life-science, math, chemistry etc...
Well it turned out that, only if you study, you can good at anything. Stupid teachers.
Do I see Czech Republic right behind US? I've suddenly lost all respect for this statistics. (speaking as a czech student.)
This is a common name in Denmark.
If companies can't find people with the skills they need then maybe they should invest more in training capable people in those skills.
Actually, not really. There is some merit that reflects further reflection than just "dumbass." The educational system in private sector is doing quite well compared to that of the public schools, in terms of fostering creativity, leadership, and other components that are constitutive of "quality education"
I would agree that the countries that top the list are very homogenous, but the ones at the bottom are as well. Most of the countries of the world are very homogenous, so it's unsurprising that those at the top of the list are also homogenous.
y raform sckools? i turnd out gr8! uma get phd soon
1) You're comparing goods to services. Goods can improve over time and prices can fall in a competitive market, but that does not have to happen with services. In many cases, consumers don't know whether one service is better than another, so they cannot do fair price comparisons, e.g., you don't know whether your accountant is better than another. The price of services is largely determined by the supply and demand for labor, e.g., doctor supply low. 2) Private schooling is not equitable.
It's equality, not equity!
whyd u talk onbehalf of everybody,I was in Asia, it's extreme pressure on most students, but that's not everybody
However, as an extension of your hypothesis, I do think it is plausible that racial/ethnic diversity stirs prejudices and causes citizens to divest from public education and other institutions that create leveling equality, which might result in the underperformance of countries such as the US. So, I think you may have a point - diversity may be relevant in explaining a portion of the differences in educational performance, but probably not the general trend.
The problem here in the US is the fact there is a concerted effort to dismantle the public educational system.
Robotics;Notes
I like TED videos, but the transcript quality is awful. As for most TED videos, maybe you should find a way to crowdsource the editing. I prefer to read as I am much faster and have control over speed.
since school was created
No, they've removed competition from their school system and give everyone an equal chance. They spend little time in the classroom and are given little homework but learn a lot through creative play.
How does sitting in a chair memorizing things that are freely available on the internet or for a much cheaper cost on the internet give you freedom?
You obviously have never bothered to find out how cheap an education actually is.
Why do "poor people" have cell phones? Trainers? Televisions?
Because competition improves quality and decreases costs and prices.
Public school is a monopoly. If for no other reason, abolish it and let education IMPROVE.
You can have public schools compete against each other. Private schools are unavailable to poorer people.
Okay, what skills? How much did it cost to acquire those skills compared to the cost of learning those things on your own? Public education is just a away for the government to enrich itself. The best thing would be to have a market where parents could choose a type of education for their kid. It would be like the market for electronics. What country are you from? I can easily find statistics showing your public schooling system to be a failure.
All in all these PISA results are more like relative indicators, not a true measure of education quality and certainly not indicators of potential for economic stability and prosperity.
A lot of important factors are not taken into account, instead the countries around the globe are just mashed together on a chart.
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what if i told you, schools in finland are exactly like schools in other western countries just that the teachers are slightly paid better... true bro
USA MUST increase it's school year. THAT is the low-hanging fruit here.
Why do we want smarter kids? If improving society is our goal, education should be a basic human right. If we are trying to improve society we not only need to make them well educated, we need to lead them out of this dead system we have left them. Who cares if you have 100% genius kids, if they are dropped into a despotic system and only some of them will be meaningfully employed. Education is one problem of many.
But there is a flaw with that logic. Immediately you are setting out (as the speaker showed) differences. You put the students who performed early on in their academic career in a society approved "better" path and you shun the poorer student who could not cope with the system. It's not about choosing who to blame, but about how we segregate (rather, how we shouldn't) the avg students from the better ones at an early age. Family plays a massive part; but it's not the blame-game that counts.
hm i was talking about violent crazy broken kids who disturb everyone so after i read your comment again i realize what i said may not apply.
Having public school does not elliminate the option of having a private school. And the "market forces" that the right wing love can still work. The only thing that will happen is that public school becomes the minimum standard because it's free. And frankly it can create some competition when the private schools HAVE TO be good enough to be worth paying for.
good ol german accent =D
For the hundreds of thousands of dollars it costs, it better be for earning more money.
oh yeah get the kids nice and used to constant surveillance so when they grow up they don't question when they start putting them on every street corner
3:38 they didn't even take data from the largest landmass on earth, greenland. i'm supposed to take this seriously?
1+1=3
i see why you ask for that, race, ethnicity and homogeneity of populations shape these results a lot. after all USA is 300 mil people and whites constitute about half of that.
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also, he failed to point out, what exactly is "socio-economic success of education" and "equity", should we all become doctors, anthropologists, philosophers and lawyers!? these are the great illusions of our time.
that if you work a craft you're not worth much, or that you're dumb.
who's gonna build and maintain roads!? make furniture !? repair cars!? electric grid!? plumbing!? things that make life civilized...
Class probably has a higher correlation than ethnicity.
So, in your estimation the only worthwhile knowledge is that which earns one money? There is no value in gaining a greater understanding of the world for its own sake?
i think nobody can determine a child's potential but the child. ;)
sometimes it's the teacher's fault and when it's the child's fault he should be kicked out of school as to not poison the others with his actions.
America's school system is crap especially here in California
Because You simply cannot explain the shifts in play here using ethnicity and IQ. IQ is also a controversial measurement.
Andreas Schleicher: Use data to build better schools
:) Join the Robotics club!
BESt school is no school BAM I SAID IT YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!!!
Albino!
10:25 and what's wrong with the traditional view!? the modern mothers no longer even have a role or warmness, the child is just shipped of to a public institution. horrible
10:38 again, what is your measure of success, should we all be "knowledge-workers", how pretentious, the sooner you determine a child's potential the better, more focus and more time to be good at what he does, i wish someone evaluated and guided me when I was 10, instead young ppl come into 20s and wander aimlessly.
You ignore the very real fact that literacy was far better before public schools.
You ignore the very real fact that education is very inexpensive. It is schooling that is cripplingly expensive.
You ignore the very real fact that schooling has nothing to do with education, or intelligence.
You ignore the very real fact that competition improves performance, and public school is a monopoly.
Surrounded by people self educated and educated by those who are actually interested in doing so?
Good.
Typical but not always the case.
Step 1: Abolish public schools, abolish taxpayer funding of education.
Step 2: Create education methods that actually work and that people actually want and will pay for.
Step 3: Profit!
You are wrong, the the goal is to enrich the government. Spending for education in the USA has nearly quadruplued since 1989 yet test scores on the SAT haven't changed. It gives children no SKILLS! If they did, high school graduates would be commanding a wage more than the minimum wage. Back your argument up, what skills do kids learn in public school that are actually valuable on the marketplace?
portugal, wtf
Bro, I'm sorry if your mother had no warmness to you, but as a daughter with a great, loving mother and with many friends who are mothers, I can say that "cold," hurtful mothers are the minority. But you don't have to "teach" someone to be a mom; nature and your own mom will teach you. Therefore, being a mom has nothing to do with education. As long as you love your kid more than yourself (aka, not selfish) you will be a good mom.
I'm guessing you are a man, b/c women know this by instinct.
Beautiful and passionate. But PISA does not measure creativity, or true problem solving skills. This is all about academic performance. As such, it is a wrong measure to optimize for. Freedom is the essence of good learning. PISA optimized for hard work in a set direction. That's the opposite of freedom. This works against human intelligence! We need to stop using PISA as guidance and let children find their own way of learning!
Sarcasm, or serious?
4. And then poor people wont afford education! Yay.... -_-
Unoriginal ^_^
If you abolish public schools then there would be a lot of people who would not be able to afford education. That would defeat the purpose of educating the world/country that you live in. If for, instance you, were the only one in your country to have an education, you would be surrounded by idiots and you would get no work done. Corporately people can achieve more and make life easier for all. Win win situation.