Helldivers 2 - You Get Kicked Because the Host is Clueless
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- čas přidán 23. 04. 2024
- I've developed a sixth sense for getting kicked on this mission. Helldivers 2 has been out for months and people refuse to take advice on retrieve essential personnel missions. I don't mind because they make for helpful video's.
Helldivers 2 - You Get Kicked Because Players Are Clueless
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kicked because you wouldnt reinforce when there is a jammer nearby or ion storm. or they leave because they are impatient. its so pathetic
Happens more than I thought.
I got capslocked at for a solid 20 seconds while being chased by a charger and a bile titan to reinforce... during an ion storm. I was so heated when I finally got that single STORM out.
Oh my god the amount of time people spam ping me to revive them when there's jammer/ion storm going on is embarrassing.
Worse is my mic is busted rn so I can only type in chat, and non of these mf ever read chat smh.
I had one guy on my team telling another guy, the only guy alive, "c'mon man don't be a hero" while he was being a hero, and taking out the jammer that was stopping him from reinforcing us, holy shit man
It’s still crazy how often that happens, people literally have 0 situational awareness sometimes and for some reason those people are always the host
The same people that kick you for farming samples are probably the same people who don't understand collected samples ARE SHARED.
I’ve honestly never met anyone who doesn’t realize that and I’m lvl 95
I just don't understand why you wouldn't ask first.
Honestly when someone joins my lobby when I'm queueing with friends and they start doing something I don't understand... My first reaction is curiosity. How could it not be? You have to be really demoralised to get pissed immediately. Like "do something else" demoralised. Even if they're doing something stupid, don't you want to know why? Maybe it's funny? Maybe YOU'RE wrong. Etc.
Fr I have to tell people I’m farming samples so they don’t leave. One guy said why you getting samples. I responded. To upgrade our ships and then he said why it’s. Unless and left we have all samples I still feel bad for. Him and this was on level 8
I’ve only ran into one person that thought that for sure. I then explained it to him and his buddy laughed at him
They probably don't even know what samples are for.
This is unfortunately what happens when you give idiots any kind of power or authority in games
Yes this ^
sadly this is going to be a part of the game. just like friendly fire. this is solved by playing with friends but I love quickplaying with rando's dropping in hot.
luckily dropping in with randoms a bunch helps set up a roster of potential friends, we have both the ability to block and add, so power the player
@rochlum I got To start adding some
basically life
LMAO I remember hosting a launch nuke mission on difficulty 4. Things went well, my squad broke off into 2s, and the other pair were struggling to stay alive. Once the missile was launched i asked if they wanted to grab the extra objectives and samples. They said okay, we went down to 4 stocks and the 4th member died while 2nd and myself were in the middle of a breach fight. The 3rd refused to call in the dead member and to top it off they both left the samples across map... then my 2nd started the timer by walking into the pelican. I just shut down my computer, i needed a break. It felt good to feel grass and pet the neighborhood cats.
Yep that's randos for you
All that on difficulty 4 damn
Had a similar issue, but they died in the pelican. It stopped the timer and I (as the host) just kicked them because they dont deserve the exp they are wasting
just for info, after you complete main objective enemy patrols spawn 4 times more so its better to to everything else first and do the main objective last.
I actually accidentally set the pelican off early in one game cuz the host didn’t turn his mic on or use chat to say he was running across the map for something, I was the one w all the samples so I just hopped in clueless as to what his plan was. Communication is key
This is why I mostly just host my own missions and never kick. If no one joins I’m fine to play solo, but if someone does, great. If they’re bad or low level, that’s fine, I just try to carry and guide them, or let them do their thing and try to just have fun or maybe learn a thing or two from them.
My philosophy aswell, I never scold them if theyre lacking somewhere, because eventually I might be the clueless one anyways (Like that one time I rushed to the samples at the corner of the map only to realize it only had 3 common samples, and the ss was already with the others in the pelican)
I see them as decoys
what I do is the when ever I am the host If I see my teammate focusing on the main obj I will take the side ones and try to do the other like mouters, reader, and small medium large bases and get the agrow away from them so them can execute the objs with out any interference
If a low level joins my game I would not stop playing until they do, I would move mountains to make sure they have one of the best experience possible 😭
Only times I’ve ever kicked somebody is when they are too low level to keep up in the higher difficulty, it’s irresponsible for them to join and use up all the lives, just because they’re impatient, and don’t want to learn the game and just get carried.
I've been kicked for DOING the objective. Dropped in mid mission, split from the team that was dying over and over at a side obj. Completed that side obj, a main obj and a side on my own. And while making my way back to the team, they kicked me. We desperately need at the very least a vote-kick system.
this happened to me once. i didn't get kicked but i instead basically got yelled at for making sure that the main mission gets done so that if the team kicks the bucket we don't fail the entire operation
Yeah, the issue in this video is somewhat understandable because the strategy isn't evident from the very start, but the issue you're telling easily tops it in stupidity
completing main objective increases enemy spawn rates, just saying
The vote-kick system is a good idea to prevent power hungry assholes and idiots. A problem I see is if three degenerates join a solo player's SOS and then all three could just vote kick the host and take over the mission just to fuck with them.
@@user-lh4fs3vp4cwhat I do is always split up from the start and rush bug nests and secondary objectives and then do main missions as last priority.
Helldive difficulty, Against bugs, Had a team that split off with 2 going for samples, and 2 staying at base. We were done within 8 minutes with little to no trouble. This is 100% the way to play this mission, and it's sad that people can kick you over this.
yeah going as 2 is usually the way to go, cover more map and reinforce each other
Had a fun one of these vs bots last night. Was the 40 minute Civ Extract one, and 3 of us knew we could stealth it so we poked the low level guy that was joining us into trying stealth armour.
Split up into pairs early on, and spent the mission talking him through how to stealth helldive bots, ending with me solo completing the main objective while the 3 of them went to handle a pair of heavy bases. The final section of the mission was a pair of us sneaking up on the Factory Strider at extract, then unloading autocannons into the belly before it could react 😆
We now have another stealth convert on our discord 😂
@@IainDoherty51 Good stuff, godspeed to you and those people
Just a question or maybe a suggestion but for the people getting samples, wouldn’t it be good advise to get them to wear light armor? Makes it easier to speed run samples and outrun bots.
@@zilexfaulty4954for sure. Imo medic light is ideal. You get the two extra stims in case you end up having to fight, and you want to leave the resupply drops for the pair at the obj. Plus the two of you can shoot each other once in the leg when low on stamina, stim, and get full stamina back to keep sprinting around
The entire time, 2 lvl 7s were passive aggressive at me lvl 46 not being by their side while I did the other side objectives. There was a rogue research station RIGHT NEXT to extraction, and they still complain I wasn't even at extraction. Then when bringing up that I was doing the side objectives, they literally respond with "Don't care. Didn't ask". Golden.
That's when you team kill on Extraction.
@@La4geas drop samples, team kill then board pelican and altf4 the game
I was playing helldive and had this level 37 guy die extremely far from me and then suffer from a 10 year old's emotional outburst and cuss me out in chat while dead. This was quite funny to because the cuss words were censoring lol. I asked him bro what are you on about and he just says "don't call me your bro you pos". Reinforced by another teammate close to me and as soon as he gets out of his hellpod he team kills me straight away. I get reinforced by another teammate (after some time as well) and I tried to get revenge but all 3 ended up dying and I decided to leave the game hopefully ending the mission and wasting their time lol. Not sure whether the other 2 or one of them was friends with this level 37 guy since it seemed like one of them was sort of connected to them but eitherway, I left with a soured mood since I still dont know whether the mission ended or they just ended up all reinforcing or not.
not the level 7s acting like they know everything about the game 😭
@@user-yp7bm8yv7i If there were reinforcements left, they got called in when you left.
Just met some dudes last night and the scientist mission was coming up. They were trying to figure out how to do it on mic and i suggested the fight away from the objective. Worked so well we ran three more sets of missions and farmed so many samples. Added each other as friends too. All this to say. There are def many many idiots but when folks do listen, it works better than you can imagine.
Games are always more enjoyable with reasonable, intelligent people than with angry simpletons
@@pugnator2749 Universal truth. Any anecdote I could come up with always sums up to that. I wish in the future there was like a stateless, agnostic, fleeting AI who would only evaluate people's age and IQ once they're engaged in an online interaction, and you simply can't fake or avoid the evaluation. It is what it is. Would make for a better world, as we wouldn't suffer a collective waste of time, and if someone's day is slow or inferior, they may try with a different approach next time.
I actually ran into a group non of us use are mics but we instantly knew what we had to do and gotten it done with 5 minutes to spare after dealing with the ibcm mission sadly we only miss 5 commons and 4 rares but it felt so satisfying playing on impossible against the bugs and at closed to the end we turned on our mic and did a nice tactic where one guy will run and the other will yell empty then run back covering each other back to back but yeah it was a real beauty and yeah the other 2 made it back to have senties of motars and autocannon covering our asses and we all made it back to the ship in one piece
From 15 to 0 reinforce. Lets go
A wild Shinobubu apears
When I'm kicked out of a mission for no reason, I block the host.
If I don't remember who the host was, I block everyone from the mission.
Exactly I have been doing!
Gonna start doing this
I just realized the host has a "1" after his initial. For example, if the host's name is "Tomcat", then in game his will be T1. If Tomcat is not a host, his will be T2, T3, or T4.
Got grouped up with randoms at 7 difficulty. No comms, except if we encounter 2 doors. All 4 of us did the objectives separately. We still managed to extract with full samples, full objectives and full helldivers. Where ever those 3 are now, I salute you.
What people don't seem to realize is that the patrol timer is based on your group size. They happen a bit less often for 3's than for 4's. Much less for lone wolves. It only gets so hectic for the guy running off after a while because naturally he'll struggle to clear those patrols by himself
I don't even bother doing this defence mission because people can't work out this is the way to do it. I gave up weeks ago.
Same
If the host starts a 15min Emergency Evacuation mission and makes us land on the objective, just quit the game, they will kick you if you go around collecting the samples on the map and not have all 4 players in the mission....
Yes, but it's a lot more fun to just pile onto the objective and watch the chaos ensue. Optimal strategy? No. Still possible to succeed? Yes.
both ways are valid.
with a competent team you can easily hold out at the objective on helldive and win. hell, i've even had this mission finish in 5 minutes out of the 15 minutes given while on helldive automatons cause the team was just working flawlessly despite having no communication at all (everyone was above level 80).
the draw attention method is more effective for less skilled but coordinated teams.
Bruh fr
Dude the amount of people picking up sample drops left behind at the pelican pickup point to only lose them again on the otherside of the map, i swear i almost 😢, situational awareness or iq test???
its an auto reaction. you have to explain why the samples is dropped there in the first place
@@bennygummisko I am with you, some people don't listen or straight up cannot understand, I forgive, but damn it hurts to see someone aimlessly destroy your hard earned pickings.
@@buda3d2007 yea we tried to explain to a guy but he took them into a detector/gunship base combo, and then factory striders dropped where he died before disconnecting....was a glorious battle though lol
Talk to them, i will drop my samples and announce why i do it. But if they still go pick it up and drop it off at other side of the map. It just happens.
@@SuperhotdogZz one small issue, there is an extensive player base who dont use english, not trying to be rude, just spitting facts. I think the chat wheel needs more options so it translates across to the different language packs, like "leave samples hear", "dont pick this up" Or have a common stratagem that can only be called down at the extraction site to use as a personal locker to stow things until you finish the mission or leave the game early, it would just empty its content then retract back into the ground like all stratgems.
You know they are gonna kick you if they die a lot.
In diff 7 I was doing most of the side obj while these 2 people kept dying left and right trying to fight every single patrol they see. Sent "you guys need to stop dying" because we were already halfway reinforces with the reinforcement budget booster at 10 minutes and the person kicked me. They probably failed the main objective after kicking me seeing how bad it was going
The rage kick from the lack of skill.
U know they gonna kick u if they don’t have a damn mic n u can’t communicate properly with them lmfao
@@s2wuolf508 in fairness there are better ways to put this than 'you need to stop dying'
I've died a lot on some missions, and I don't kick unless someone is killing the players in extraction shuttle
For what it's worth, this game's average player is pretty dull-edged, and Retrieve Essential Personnel is probably the least intuitive mission in the game. I think it could do with a minor update to improve how it communicates to players. The fact that most people don't know that sitting on the base is why it's such an impossible task to begin with is largely because the other mission types teach players to get on the point and get it done, and in general, they reward that kind of play as well.
Guy was raging at a teammate, I said “dude don’t be toxic”, he thought I was the guy he was raging at and kicked me 💀
LMAO
How do you know he didn't just kick you because you told him not to be toxic? lol
4:38 I'm pretty sure, almost 100%, that is a glitch where you don't see someone's loadout but they do have all their weapons and stratagems picked and filled in
Correct, because during preparation mission select won't allow you to start and deploy if you've not chosen at least 3 strategems(if you're new or have Anti-Air planetary condition), I've tried to dive with just Jump Pack but it requires to fill in all the slots in order to ready up.
I did have a moment where people had loadouts glitch and somone left the match while I was picking g mine and I could no longer see my load out and had to leave as well.
yeah I see it all the time. Sometimes it only shows one or two stratagems. Seems to happen mostly when you've just joined a squad.
Reinforce 20 -> 0 speed run any%
3:14 That loadout for this kind of mission is somehow worse than my joke loadouts. I'm impressed.
I’m lvl 89 and have had lvl 70s and above back out when we select this mission because they don’t know how to do it
They spent all that time playing, and they still don't know how to play. Damned shame.
@@SoberAddiction pretty much
If their backing out on level select their probably at the same point I am I just don't play this one. I'm not good enough to kill infinite drops on the run and standing to fight back doesn't work at suicide and above
@@goreobsessed2308 yeah that’s why you run around the map collecting samples and what not?
@Swampdonkey796 I get that buti can't take the drops they send my way so I don't bother
I got kicked on an “evacuate high value assets mission”, before it started, just because we were PREPARING, and I was thinking of bringing mines.
One of the guys said “let him defend democracy how he wants, but those mines are kind of sus.” When I decided to bring the second set of mines over some other stratagem, the guy didn’t even give me a second to change, he just said no he isn’t” to the other guy and kicked me.
Give power to idiots, and they will quickly run themselves, and everybody else, into the ground.
Mines are pretty good to have in high value assets missions. I don't understand why these idiots think mines are a problem.
Have you been having good results with those mines?
I've personally found that bugs sometimes just walk over them and they don't detonate at all, even if I throw impact nades at them. Might be a bug
I dont agree with loadoutkickers, but That ones on you.
shits like natural selection. idiots cuck themselves on the mission, repeatedly lose, give up on playing that mission, less idiots who screw things up in that type of mission.
@@kokorochacarero8003 I’ve been experimenting, so nothing really conclusive. I was pairing that with thing like the napalm strike and such. Honestly, I simply haven’t had much luck with bug evacuate missions period, regardless of load out, just due to personal reasons regarding how I and my friends play.
Either way, what I was thinking was to have a short cooldown mob clear that I could use regularly to keep things less chaotic for other guys who already came equipped to clear heavier mobs. I’d had some luck running things like flamethrowers and the like, so I was still in the experimentation phase.
Like I said, didn’t even get a chance to explain myself or anything. And that was literally after changing one of my stratagems because I’d heard in the voice chat that one guy didn’t like it. So, keep the stratagems they didn’t have issue with, and change one to try something new.
If team is good there is zero problem sticking together and fighting everything off. I've seen plenty of people doing your strat just dying alone at some objective they tried to solo again and again.
Only time I got kicked was joining a difficulty 5 match, they were already under 5 reinforces, another random left a few minutes later because all 3 of them couldn't stop dying. Finished main objective and called extract, mainly to take dropship flares because even when facing patrols they wouldn't avoid dying. Got kicked after defending it for a little bit, I guess they figured I was going to leave immediately or didn't know how extract works after it arrives. No voice chat or comms from the randoms. Either way they probably Mission Failed without reinforcements before they managed to clear the map.
Except there is no way to Mission Failed once you have done the main objective.
thank you for teaching me this new strategy. me and my 2 other friends were doing this exact mission but we usually failed since we all would always just fight on the base. after following your advice we actually ended up having a lot better time and we managed to get some samples as well. crazy to think that some people are this oblivious to this type of advice.
Joined a level 9 match a couple days ago and a guy killed me twice IMMEDIATELY with cluster bombs. Back to back. Less than 60 seconds into the level. Cluster bombs in an area where they weren't needed. Cluster bombs where he didn't announce his intention before using them. Where I was already standing before he threw the cluster on top of me. They don't close bug holes. They don't do damage to heavies. They're practically useless when thrown in a bug lair that only has a charger and me in it. They sure are good at killing teammates though.
Then, after he killed me twice he kicked me.
I swear using quickplay is going to give me brain cancer.
Yeah, I kinda hate the cluster bombs. Airstrike works much better and doesn't TK as often.
Cluster bombs do close bungholes actually, but its practically impossible since its uncontrollably hard to actually get a bomb to land inside
Cluster bombs get like 10-40 kills each time I use them so Ima keep it on
cluster can ABSOLUTELY kill "heavy", maybe not a bile titan/ATAT straight out but 5 uses? yeah that's a LOT of explosive carpet-bombing being brought forth to all those weakpoints you can't usually see from the front. chargers, hulks, tanks all fair play.
Just watch your distances and friendly fire as the clusters have the biggest AoE in-game and it's shaped like we all wish the walking-barrage was a nice long rectangle of death instead of those big leap-frog of areas between slow and swaying salvos marching off over the horizon but missing all the nests/factories you wanted dead.
Buildings? No. Heavy? Yes, right in the squishy-bits.
@@IRMentat Clusters are amazing for clearing waves and getting 5 bombs per eagle reload is godlike.
Ever since the first time you posted this strategy of having at least one runner on these missions, I have been doing the same. It has been nearly flawless. My friend group lives by this method now. IT WORKS!
Seemed like when you communicated your intentions and got agreement with your team mates that it went a lot better than when you just did your own thing and assumed they'd know and understand.
I dont play the missions that constantly call in drops anymore people have no idea how to do them
Been taking your advice, watching your content and I've drastically improved. I'm nearing lvl 100 now, I can carry nearly any team through anything these days, but this happens to me often. I'll encourage players to follow me, give them advice and try to help, but some can't be saved from themselves. I feel your frustrations.
Can confirm, if everyone stays in the base, we seem to constantly lose. Besides... why kick someone for having a different playstyle? Either find a core group rather than playing with Pubbies, or just deal with the fact that people have different playstyles. Approaching LoL levels of toxicity
They kick him because they believe it's his fault they are losing the mission and getting swarmed by bots. They simply don't know/care to know how that mission works
@@1ermejo4ever1 That sounds exactly like LoL toxicity, always the worst player in the game finding someone else to blame, being very vocal about it instead of playing further, and ironically usually blaming someone who knows what they're doing and doing it well.
I feel like saying that it’s anywhere near LoL levels of toxicity is a ways of an exaggeration…
I have gone into several pub lobbies bringing in barrages without any issue… and that’s with teammates actually getting hit by them on occasion
Turns out that public lobbies are a luck of the draw thing go figure…
I hosted one couple of days ago and one dude asked if we go team or separate. I said separate and we finished the mission with no issues.
LoL is the epitome of toxicity imo. I literally stopped playing because every single game had legendary amounts of toxicity and brain damage paired with zero patients. Helldivers has a long way to go for that level. That being said, any toxic behavior feels really bad.
This is why I always host my games. I only kick people if they’re dicks. I’ve mostly had good experiences with randoms on helldive but I think that’s because people usually lock in more on helldive. The lower difficulties are where you find the weirdos.
I have been saying this SOO MANY TIMES, STAYING IN THE OBJ WONT DO SHIT.
This is the one of the main examples in the game where it’s 100% a skill issue, and the casuals just can’t wrap their heads around it. Insane.
@@tiestofalljays I don't think it's a skill issue but rather just bad spawn rate optimization from the devs. You shouldn't need a tactic like that to make the mission work, but fuck is it the easiest way to farm samples on helldive diff.
Did you know that when players split up too far apart, it actually increases the spawn rate of enemies? That's the downside.
@@tiestofalljaysI feel like it’s less the casuals fault and more on the game if the intuitive natural way of playing is objectively worse than the weird ass “split up and have two people running around farming” strategy
@@Kazrel_VO It's a dev issue for bad design but also a skill issue of players not adapting to the one mission that works differently.
Even though I know this mission can be done, I avoid it anyway. Never know what people are gonna do there. Not a gambling man.
The entire kicking thing is happening because of one thing mostly, bad game design... This entire game is made by people who don't play their own game, so you can only finish things in ways that make no sense for most people... And there is nothing in the game that explains you what can and can't be done... There is a reason why player numbers dropped to 100k from 400-500in 2week, the game is garbage and broken and people start to realize it.
@UmbraWeiss The honeymoon phase is nigh over. If they don't get their shit together the game will decay. Maybe that's what they want 🤷
Maybe they realized they don't like having the responsibility of spontaneous popularity. I'd love to be a fly on the wall inside their studio. Bet there's some disgruntled, vindictive people in there. Just look at how they operate and the things they've said. Their CEO is a teddy bear but hes clearly disconnected from the internal process.
"Ah shucks guys, let's do better next time"
"Yeah sure thing boss" 😒
I remembered fighting alongside with two high levelers (+70 to 80 levels) and one low levelers (+20 to 30 levelers), the host complained that low leveler can't figured out how to kill enemy without killing friendly with arc thrower and going to kick him out
But I stood up for low leveler and convinced him to give him some time to experience, also pointing out it is toxic response. Other high leveler tried to say it is "reasonable" but I disagreed and say we're not going to kick him out being so hard on inexperienced player.
Yeah, the host decided not to kick out and did get in the shuttle for extraction.
You need to understand that just because you see high levelers doesn’t mean they always know what to do, they would get themselves handled like four times and then left without hesitation.
So low or high levelers can still be bad.
Levels are just numbers
The trouble with retrieve essential personnel is that it gives you exclusively both ends of the bell curve. When you learn more about the game you realise these missions aren't fun and you avoid them. Then eventually you decide you're good enough to work on conquering them. So only the best and the worst are still around
What if theirs a stratagem to blow up habitual kickers destroyer ship? Thoughts?
Lmao. A rail cannon emplacement
I also think part of this is the game gives players no training on bugs. We've been fighting for months and still have no player tutorials on stealth and spawns for new players. Having a satirically bad training session for players is cute, but that means your players have no idea whats going on, and not in a fun constructive way. Lol i didn't know till I was like level 30 that the 500KG nuke has unlimited uses, but 2 uses between re-arm. The stratagem menu doesn't explain re arms, and doesn't distinguish between limited use stratagems that can never be called again, and ones that need a cooldown time
Got kicked few mins ago because I went to get super samples and helped other teammates side objectives, and got kicked, I had most of samples, frick them.
The one thing I hate about this game are clueless people on it. There are so many people who just don't know how to play the game. Samples are key to the game and I hate it when they don't want to hunt them down during missions.
And leave no diver behind, I get kicked occasionally for covering the straggler, why kick the bro doin the lookin out?
I’ve only ever kicked 3 players during a mission, 2 of them in the same op. All three cases it was them trying to tk and grief. First guy was shouting something in German and tried to shoot me, so I killed em and kicked em. Second two (few days later) tried to call and Eagle on me, missed, and then tried shooting each other
"What's the most frustrating thing in HD2" For me, it's starting an op to get the personal order done (like Mines or rocket pods, etc.), getting 3 lemmings who proceed to chase ME around the map as I do all the objectives and work, then bitch at ME when I don't reinforce or throw the thing like 60 meters away from me.
Why isn't being kicked the same as when you loose connection to your team? When you loose connection you're still in the mission but your squad all left.
Have had missions where I cleaned the whole map of its samples and were kicked while running back in the end when the mission failed. My biggest problem is not being kicked but the loss of time and not getting samples.
I was playing on helldive a mission in a way that could only be described as "beautiful", I never died, I was reviving everyone and at the time of extract I got kicked out.
My most amusing kick was when a guy thought I took his rover backpack, when actually I'd grabbed my shield backpack. He asked "YO, DID YOU GRAB MY ROVER??" and kicked me before I could even respond "No" on voice. His rover was sitting on the ground... This, on a suicide automaton mission!
Wow 😂
I don't care if someone takes my pack, better than it sitting on the ground being unused.
@@XSamsaX yeah, this was right after we dropped, so he'd have to wait the whole CD to get another. IDK how you get this confused at the start of a mission... or don't think to quickly check your map!
I don't remember the exact mission I was playing, but i was playing with some level 20's. These were the type of players that shot at every patrol and sat at one location and kept fighting the up hill battle with no obj in sight. So I basically cleared the whole map of samples and obj's while they were on their killing spree. They were so focused on killed they didn't notice all the obj's got done and were showing up to them like oh its done already. Mission ends and i have like 50 something samples and no deaths and they're were so shocked by the amount samples i had they called me a cheater 3 times and kicked me. It also doesn't help that one guy got rag dolled out of the map due to an explosion and i recovered his samples by almost becoming a traitor and retrieving them before the 10 second countdown finished lmao. People are clueless XD
Horseshit. There's no way in hell they don't know the objectives are completed. The pop up appears on screen no matter where you are and the map icons turn so dark they might as well dissappear.
We've all been that guy carrying a team of noobs, but at least make it believable.
i try explaining the way to play that mission so many time and people just dont listen. it's frustrating man
The first time someone went sample farming on a mission I was in, everyone on the objective died and we were sent to him. my first immediate thought was, “oh shoot! He’s griefing!” but because I actually tried to see why he was doing it, I realized he was actually helping, and we completed the objective. It pays to be patient, Helldivers
I like to quickplay and help people with their missions. Sometimes I solo but being maxed out on stuff feels fun to help.
Most of the community is nice, and most are understanding if you're solo but helping. But I've been shot because someone thought I picked up their support weapon.
I think we need to try and spread the word that defense missions need people to leave the point, seems like most of the community doesn't know still.
I also see lvl 11-20 at helldive and feel it's a bit too early for most. I'm not for capping helldive or anything, i just feel a better system maybe for getting to hell 9. Like beating each difficulty campaign twice. No cap when playing with friends though.
I also feel a solution to being kicked is whatever samples/credits have been collected by the team, you keep if kicked. While you lose out some exp and such, at least you get something.
I was personally running Helldive Malevolon Creek with my friend around level 16 np. I still get a bit sketch when I see someone under lvl 30 on helldive. I've been pleasantly surprised by the number of people who are low level on high difficulty, who play decently, especially if they're the host.
@@Deadsnake989 Massive respect to the solo divers that reach helldive pre lvl 20 tbh, they are genuinely good players
I save the kicking for after the mission is done. But at least the people i see are always cool. Some dogwater bad players here and there
I've found that if I VC before the game starts that one or more of us need to be running around collecting samples it usually works out.
That being said I'm almost always four stacked with ppl on discord so I rarely play with randoms and I'm normally the host or know the host, so my datepoints for avoiding kicks is low.
Do you think that higher difficulties like Suicide to Helldive should have level requirements in order to play them? I mean level doesnt always dictate experience or game knowledge but still, it's frustrating even hosting a lobby and having level 15s or below join your mission on those difficulties.
these guys were all lvl 50+ that kicked me. with experience doesn't come knowledge or expertise so level requirements don't help anything there.
Honestly it's the level 40 to 50+ guys that tend to kick. They think they know all about how the game "should" be played by that level and have zero patience for any strategies they just don't know about.
Only time I kicked someone was when we were doing a kill 500 bots mission he died twice before the bot drops even came in so I kicked him
same!!! got kicked becuz the host was dying so much refusing to move on to the next objective... lots of dumb players
We used to have problems with this mission type - not always failing but it was hit or miss at Diff 7+. Recently, we finally started using the "split tactics" in a group of 3 people and the mission was a walk in the park with even just one relatively inexperienced divers holding the base and rescuing civilians. So, 100% confirmed that this is the way to go on this mission.
I want to thank you for letting me know about this, this will make the mission easier.
Ahahahaha these noobs are wild. Was playing with a lvl 102 recently who got mad at me for the same thing. Except I had gotten a second player to go around the map the opposite way. Dude likely kicked the other player as well. What an idiot.
that's the best way to do the mission too, if it's on the bugs you can get all the samples and beat the mission in less than 8 minutes on lvl 8/9 and yet people kick
A lotta ppl with a lvl that high were mortar farmers who didn't get real combat experience on their way up.
Actual smurfs lmao
All the sample farmers.. please join my games, I would love to have you.
/hug
This is the only mission where I still don't have my marks.. something felt off considering the size of the map. Even if the objectif is focused on a very small area, the map is really wide open so it only makes sense trying to use that available space.
Question :
Let's say you split in 2 teams, what would you advice to go with as for the loadouts ? Without specifically naming a very detailled list of things to carry obv.
Turrets ? Smokes ? (I heard people talking about smokes as it would reduced the chance the pods come to you, no idea if it is true or not) | Recoiless rifle + supply packs for the outsiders to shoot as many ships .. ?
Hey ohdough, thanks for this video!
I have a little note from my side:
Few days ago i was playing on Level 7 frist time with automatons and i didnt know about the gunships and about their factories. So i started shooting the ships. Then some guy told me not to shoot them but destroy the factory. I asked him which one it was and was going like - "you're serious right now?" (He was speeking, i was just replying with the keyboard)
I told him i was sorry, then tried my best to destroy it with the factories with egales, until i figured out that it just can be destroyed with a hellbomb. I even was able to manage to place a hellbomb and started typing, then i died again. Then he started: please, dont ever come back here until you figured out the game on higher levels. I left then by myself.
I was feeling really useless since then and also a bit angry. I understood him, but i whished that he would lead me in this special Moment, not making me feel more unsecure. Im open for everything and i love when players act together. But in this case i felt like i dont belong in this game.
But i started watching your Videos and no im starting to understand the missions, weapons more and more.
But like i said. Not everyone watches hours of content before, so i would loooove get some guiding from higher leveled players. That would bring back the concept of community.❤
i find bots to be easier when you have things "under control" but bugs are WAY easier to recover from.
bots start to chase your respawn down in armour you can't respond to without grenades or your support weapon while throwing nonsense at you in swarms of o-zone and con-trails, were as most bugs can be dealt with out of the box with only a need for the big-guns for the 2-3 targets that announce themselves and let you KNOW they are coming for you in particular.
So once a bot-mission starts to get over-ran most people spiral into chain-deaths and isiotic reinfrocement placement (the beacons not the actual auto-aim flinging you directly onto the opposite side of the pack that just merced you (now w/o your weapons/packs), whereas a bug swarm is at it's worse just after it spawns in but any method of thinning that herd can allow you to retreat, recover, bait the enemy away form where you died then swoop back in for some payback (unless a hunter leap-crits into a rag-doll head-mets-rock or a spitter decides to aim-ahead and melt you in flamethrower TTKs (even after the nerf they still hurt like hell)
I don't join other people's games haven't been kicked in weeks
I saw your first video on this and I had never beat this mission above 6 at the time. I then proceeded to load up a level 9 extract important personnel and beat it super easily with 3 people just by having 2 people run off the base and do other stuff
I know what you are saying about "everyone can't be host" but I started hosting all my games and I haven't been kicked since. Also, I have never kicked another player. So I'm doing my part to balance the cosmos.
I just gotta say, that if this is the proper way to beat the mission, it needs to be better designed to encourage it.
Playing it "properly" gets you swarmed.
the amount of samples around the map should be encouragement enough, people are just clueless
In my view, it is an encouraged strategy to use with the amount of Samples existing in the mission. Arrowhead could've easily restricted the map size to be similar to the Eradication missions and reduce the amount of samples if they think otherwise.
The idea of the game and the way they want it played are two entirely different games at times.
Anything above Diff. 7 is boring but is required to progress.
You getting overwhelmed should be the sign you’re not approaching the mission correctly. I don’t see the problem. Why can you not adjust your playstyle/approach?
If you can’t, don’t do an Operation with this mission included, it’s okay to admit something is too hard.
@@tiestofalljays Team game bro. If 9/10 teams aren't playing it the "correct" way then the design of the mission isn't working.
And most defend planet operations have this mission so no, you can't just skip it most times.
I hope they add some form of system to reduce/combat toxicity . Just because the game is coop doesnt mean that everyone who plays is friendly.
Eh, short of literally altering human nature you're never going to fix it. Laugh at stupid people and move on.
And this is why I now run all my games with squads I pick up from a discord server where I know that pretty much everyone knows what they are doing.
Funniest trick we have for these missions is for everyone to bring one 'Panic Button' strategem (380mm, Laser etc.) and if the objective gets overrun those on it toss those into it then run off away from the objective in the opposite direction from the pair out making noise. Clears it out, and gives a chance for the pair out on the map to reacquire aggro while they break contact and go stealthy for a bit
This reminds me of when people would kick me from a loud mission in Payday 2 because I had no armor on and they didn't understand how the dodge mechanic worked.
This is because this operation isn't designed well at all. Not a single part of this is intuitive at all.
What is counterintuitive with enemies going for the players? They obviously can't go for the personnel as they don't spawn unless the player presses a button. Plus, dropping on hotpots has ALWAYS BEEN and will ALWAYS BE a bad idea.
@@TrulyGodsGoofiest It's counter intuitive in how your are supposed to tackle a map to complete it. If the game offered sub objectives that would distract the enemy, the player base would understand it a lot easier. It actually doesn't make any sense that the bots would drop on people outside the objective or chase them.
Not all players are going to be constantly online and watching videos or scrolling through reddit. It's the game's fault for not explaining how patrols and drops work. I'm not saying it's okay to kick people under these circumstances but can't get mad at people when from their perspective all they're seeing is someone running around and not helping. "Bot drop" still shows up on their screen and not everyone will have the awareness to know it's not nearby. I haven't personally been kicked for doing this because I usually am in chat explaining what I'm doing- or I'm just lucky.
Why do people with 0 awareness and 0 critical thinking skills/common sense even play games if they're obviously not able to keep up? I'm pretty sure that that is indeed NOT the games fault and the game should NOT compensate for the players incapability.
@@TrulyGodsGoofiest Thats life though so you kind of just roll with it honestly.
@@TheForever206 Basically yeah.
Anyone playing the game enough would know from splitting up on most missions that botdrops are near whichever helldiver calls them out. If you hear it through the radio, it's pretty damn far.
except I explained exactly what I was doing to the first guy right before it happened. I don't expect people to watch video's, I do expect people to understand that they don't know everything.
From my own expirience: after I saw your videos about drop ships\bug holes mechanics, I try to probe people every time, when I appear in this mission; If people actively comunicating, speaking through microphone, then there is a very good chance, that they'll listen and understand this simple strategy. But if there is no comuniction, or nobody don't eve try to respond to my inquaries, then it's almost 100% "mission failure" or "kicked".
Is this more common on helldive difficulties? I mostly play on 7 or 8 bots since its less CBT, and have only ever been kicked once
I'm convinced levels 45-55 are where players seem to think they know everything about the game. I'm level 89 and I understand that there's likely still something I don't know about the game. But that range of levels is full of people who actually think they know 100% how the game works and it shows most on this particular mission type.
Edit: 6:12 mortars aren't a throw pick on this mission set. They're a grief pick. EMS is fine, regular is just grief city.
I got kicked for staying in an area to upload escape pod data long after the other three had left the quadrant. Guys didn’t even try to communicate any grievances to me. I was thirty to forty levels above them. It wasn’t close to extraction so it’s not like we were ever coming back. Im still tilted about it.
I do find using a mic without being prompted in order to communicate your next move is the key to avoiding these situations. A little heads up that you’re going to neutralize a jammer on your lonesome goes a long way.
I can't stand having the in game mic enabled. The *complete* lack of noise filtering and lack of PS5 players using PTT means I get to hear every whiny toddler, nasal condition, and poverty detector in glorious stereo. No thanks.
I agree mic is helpful. But i stopped having mic chat on in video games after i was playing and some dude started dropping hard R n words and other things while my family was in the room..
Its very funny seeing people leave or kick you for not reinforcing while under a strategem jammer
@@mawnkey THIS..... my worst one was adding a ps5 player as a friend and him joining a private session with 2 of my irl friends talking in discord, and that day he decides to immediately let his little girl take the controller, during helldive essential personnel, while he placates a screaming baby and failing miserably, with a mouth full of what I can only assume are very dry chips, and his little girl having fun killing us and civies for the duration of the mission, we know all these details because of an obnoxiously sensitive and loud open mic. And the person she decided to keep shooting was literally someone too nice to get mad about it and saying it's okay just let her have some fun until he just went completely silent. By the time we were extracting we had all muted open mic boi, promptly murdered them, called them in at rear of pelican and melee'd them into the evac before their elevator animation finished jumped in and created a new lobby.
Idk, even if drops/breaches were not attracted to players, i would be fine with one dude going around getting samples/creds while we do the mission.
When AH adds buggy it would be even more fun.
This is why I don't play with randoms
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side note, if your collecting samples what stratagems would you prefer i bring ? on the defense missions ?
If I'm getting samples and you're defending the base? on bots you'd want orb laser, auto cannon/amr, mortar and ems mortar
Used to be, there was no space beyond the essential personnel or eradication mission zone. Lately I've been noticing some maps where you can go quite far from the objective and not get branded a traitor. But I think that's new?
they see us having way better wr using the split strat and they are blaming it on bad game design, they dont even know what they are saying (of course leddit is full of these people)
I think when one playstyle is more meta than another people will always be upset whether it’s justified or not. The split strat/playstyle is the meta for those mission types so people who aren’t fans of that playstyle will always hate doing that mission
reddit, the midwit paradise.
@@wasteplace1705 this is not an eradicate mission and if they play as such you are in for a bad time. You dont play any other missions like eradicate why is evacuate the exception?
They want to honker down let them ,but the problem is that when being told that "there is a better way" to do the mission they , again , blame it on game design and not on them too stubborn to try another thing.
this statement won't age well when Arrowhead eventually reworks the mission completely
@hipperguy1654 and he'll probably adjust his playstyle accordingly. The comment will be relevant to how the mission used to be.
kick needs to be removed from game once match has been started
Sure. And then you'll be introduced to the team killing hacker and can't do shit about it.
One player can cover the extraction while the other 3 members farm the samples in about 5 mins unchallenged by maybe 1 random patrol. Call in extraction and leave the extraction area at 0 seconds and Pelican 1 will go into a HOLDING pattern above the LZ and can cover a 360 wide range of area demolishing everything chasing you. Just circle parallel to the area outside the LZ. Once 1 Helldiver goes inside that radius outside the LZ Pelican 1 will land. I recommend heading to the LZ within the last 2 minutes. You will exfil without worry because Pelican 1 will have obliterated all adversaries within anyone's radius!
My favorite is when you can hear them on their microphone annoyed, that you, a random person, has joined their game. Let's see how this works...
-Leave game open to lobby of players looking to join a random game
-Ignore the closed game option again
**Helldiver being deployed**
-Start complaining about it as you're kicking the player
-Make yourself the victim of random helldiver drops
-If there was only some way to avoid this
Tbh it's a game design's fault, not the player's.
It's not really intuitive that the most effective way to complete that mission is to have 1-3 people stray off the objective and run around. You don't find out about that strategy unless you search for it online, which most people don't nor should they have to.
how is this a game designs fault, excuse me? its quite obvious that splitting up accelerates the progress
@@mercury_lamphe's talking about civilian evac specifically. Still though, it's not hard to grasp the idea of a diversion. Attract the enemy's attention away from the defenseless civilians? Nah, just bring theeat grinder to them
I got team killed then forced to watch them play like shit and at the very end of the mission they threw a 380mm barrage and tried to throw me and assuming the other random(they also team killed this guy) into it. They didn’t expect me to absolutely destroy them when I landed. Go figure both were play station scrubs.
Another case that happened immediately afterwards: join a game and we were half way through a match and host died and continued to spam the button so I refused to throw him in because I was busy and also on the opposite side of the map. I finally throw him and he tried to land on me so I dove away and fired a shot in his direction and while he was in his I frames of the pod animation and when he came out he tried to shoot me so I killed him and he kicked me🤣
Console war cringe
@@wasteplace1705console war? I am on pc lmao. Out of all the the console players I encounter in crossplay games play station gamers are the most toxic. There is no “console war” here fool
I’m lvl 120, dropped together into an eradicate bug mission, other two players were constantly dying or just standing around watching. Got kicked. No idea.
wtf lmfao
first comment and i'm not even subbed
But why?
@@Dunkopf you snooze you looze
You should probably get your shit together lol
@@Swampdonkey796 idk it sounds like subs should
@@youtubethinksidontexist533 🤣 hell yeah that makes sense
Blame the devs mainly. It’s a terrible game design moment.
Like it goes against logic that they’re after you and not the civilians. They need to change the mission
Just because you can’t figure out how to beat it doesn’t mean it’s terrible. Use your brain, approach the mission intelligently and problem solve. Jesus.
it's not a mission design problem & it's one of the better designed missions since it doesn't encourage hand holding
@@OhDough It's both, why would the automatons who are after the civillians drop ontop of you and not the civillians logically?
It doesn't make sense, you'd think that the bots would only drop on top of the civilians, that's why people get mad and kick you. I personally literally do what you do in this video to beat the mission, I'm just explaining why people think the way they do.
@@tiestofalljays My comment is not me saying not to do what OhDough is doing because he is right, however the logic of the bots being after the civillians and only spawning on top of you and not the civvies doesn't make any sense. The mission design needs to be changed so that bots have a reason to drop only on you, or changed so that its doable with everyone on top of the objective: It needs to make sense logically
i wish we could spectate missions lmao, i didnt know this was the play for this type of mission till now thanks for the advice
I’ve dived a lot and have never been kicked from the game. Only from ships after the dive is over. I reinforce the second I see someone die unless they’re on the other side of the map. But one thing people gotta understand is awareness, that’s what this game is all about, being aware of things, advice, and placement on the map.
something that also happens with the mission is the spawns being random, on your first example even without the cuts im assuming there was like, 1-3 dropships per wave. i've played this on 7 where there's legit so many dropships they clip into eachother, like 5 drops per min easily
Hope more people see this! Was able to win my very first escort mission using this play.
I had a team the other day that landed us on a jamming tower and kept dieing on the tower and refused to back off so we can regroup and call in equipment. Used all the reinforcements and failed the mission.
I taught some randoms today about this strategy and they were amazed that it worked
This is why I take level 1 cadets and make them helldive in the automaton front. Hardening them up early is key to making them learn something new. Which is that helldive difficulty isn’t hard if you work together
Damn is this the strategy? My friends and I have been STUMPED by these missions for a while now... and we've tried a variety of strategies. We've even done it where 2 of us are out running and fighting away from obj with one player stealthed on obj and the bot drops will land on the obj player!
This mission is just weird compared to any other in the agme. I'll have to try it this way.
The most frustrating thing is everyone else I play with at this point. Either they're room temperature IQ landing on the defense mission generators or are so highbrow they won't let you do anything they don't like
yesterday one of our teamates called extraction while everyone else was across the map and we didn’t make it in time. host was level 8 and didn’t kick the guy and just let it happen
Regarding the POIs, would love to know how you identify them so quickly as you're running the map. One of your other videos you even mentioned you saw 3 spore spewer towers and only 1 was even visible on the map. A video on how to identify objectives/POIs on the map at a glance would be amazing!
Certain POIs have certain geographical map features and you can identify them if you study and look hard enough but an easier method is to open the map and mouse around a general area until you see a text pop-up that says something like "Minor Point of Interest" and put a pin on it. Another way to to it is to click all over the map until you actually hit something like a side objective. If you have armor with the scout passive, it will show enemies on your pin and if they're not moving, it's also likely a POI. It's part experience, part luck, and part just wandering around the map until you walk onto something.
People also vastly undervalue smoke, especially on this mission type. One single person dousing the objective in smoke can clear the objective alone without having to deal with anything bigger than a few unsuspecting patrols. Running through smoke seems to drastically reduce the odds of getting targeted by a drop, so having one stealth diver on the objective while a duo runs around the map taking the heat and a fourth person goes for samples will give you the best odds of victory and high sample payout against bots. If samples aren’t a concern, a trio blasting everything outside the objective would go even smoother. With a fully coordinated squad, this objective is drastically easier.