Did the Gi summon Jenova? | FF7 Rebirth
Vložit
- čas přidán 27. 03. 2024
- I honestly didn't know what I wanted to do with this video, I just wanted to get it out there for you all to add to the conversation. What started out as a video to show that Gi Nattak is the voice in Remake's reveal trailer, spiraled into a timeline explanation of sorts lol
The Gi footage captured by Gaming Extras
BECOME A PARTY MEMBER!:
FF LoFi: @Sing4DLaughter
Patreon:
/ finalfantv
CZcams Membership:
/ @finalfantv
One-Time donation:
www.ko-fi.com/FinalFanTV - Hry
Gi Nattak possibly being the v/o for the 2015 trailer is insanely scary. Thank you.
It's the not the same voice actor. Similar voices, however.
Appreciate the comment. A source that can make this factual would be helpful! Thanks!
@@FinalFanTV David Lodge is the 2015 reveal trailer voice over artist.
So you have anything that would confirm that? I know David Lodge has voiced in Final Fantasy games but nothing that I've found confirms he was the narrator for the 2015 reveal. Bruce Thomas, voice of Gi Nattak, also has a history voicing FF games.
@@ChristopherFumerola it doesn’t matter if the VA is the same as long as it is square’s intent to have Gi Nittak as the ‘character’ to be voicing over the 2015 trailer. If Square’s intent was to portray Gi Nittak as the voice of the 2015 trailer, and vice versa (they wanted the cast a similar voice to portray Gi Nittak in Rebirth as the 2015 trailer narrator), then the point still remains.
Devs: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!
I'm so glad that the first reveal teaser of FF7 Remake is getting the attention it deserves. That teaser has so much details and so many important quotes that is incredible how they planned every single thing that is happening in FF7
Didn’t they recently reveal in the Ultimania that they included the Biggs surviving scene in remakes ending last minute because it “looked cool”? They also didn’t know how many parts this was going to be for ages…
Thats it. Ive had extensive theories about how Jenova, not sephiroth, will be the true villain and final boss, but this solidifed it for me. Im 100% confident.
Hojo is the true villain
Watch Ever Crises videos on young Sephiroth there is a link to him before and after her/it’s control. He has the same headaches as Cloud. Even has Cloud’s sword stance in a trailer.
If they really did summon Jenova that would be a crazy play. The 30 year cook going crazy
Yeah but Original FF7 has nothing to do with it. Its Remake only thing. So 9 years, still nice.
Bro, this is the kind of thing that only you can dig for us! Your edit on the beginning is flawless, and it is hard to disagree with the theory after seeing it. I believe we can only go for two paths, or they recycled (not likely) the voice actor, or they are preparing this plot twist for a decade now, SE never cease to impress me, and you are a hound for these things, thank you for sharing! We're still far from a part 3 announcement, and you're already bringing the hype to the skies with your videos!!!! 👏🙌
“With their voices did it sow the seed of discord among our people” Jenova is sowing that seed of discord with Cloud all through Rebirth
Heck yea, I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed the voice actor for Gi Nattak also narrated the very first reveal trailer for the remake project.
It is not the same person according to FF wiki and credits
Where in the credits? In Remake credits, they credit the 2015 narrator?
I love the FFwiki but that can't always be taken as fact
@@FinalFanTV Gi Nattak is Bruce Thomas per credits. David Lodge is who gets credited with the announcement trailer per wiki.
Okay. Appreciate you looking into it but but I can't consider FFwiki factual.
@@FinalFanTV TheSteelers comment is correct, the VA for the 2015 Remake Trailer was David Lodge. I only remember this because back in 2015, quite a few people thought the Trailer VA could be George Newbern (Sephiroth's Advent Children VA), but it didn't sound like him. So someone looked into it and found out it was Lodge.
He also was the voice for the FFXIV: Opening Movie in 2013. (though for that one he was doing a British accent.)
Hearing them side by side in your video though... they sound nearly identical. It's possible that they may have wanted to cast Lodge for that part, but maybe he wasn't available. Who knows. The actor they used sounds incredibly similar to that 2015 trailer voice.
Interesting. Hearing that the Gi were not of the planet during Rebirth I did get the thought, What if the Gi came to Gaia to escape from Jenova? And this is what lead to Jenova coming to Gaia?
or Jenova is their tool to end the Cetra?
Good theory! I also have a theory that possibly the GI summoned Jenova to get back at the Cetra for screwing them over?? Cause the GI aren't from the planet, so when they perish, where does their energy go? They obviously have energy, and if not lifestream energy, then what kind?
Lots of questions! Lol ✌️🤝✨️
If they commit to the multiple timelines setup why not move the Gi to the doomed world and give them peace only if they help rid the other world of Jenova. It would allow traversal to be interesting.
I'm guessing the GI is not affected by lifestream multiverse cuz they're alien
@@rzxwm10they likely don’t exist in other timelines but there could be a way to move them there?
@@sato-lr2lntrue true they aren’t part of the life stream so not part of the cycle, but really interesting and cool idea to move the gi to a doomed world I like that a lot
And perhaps Sepiroth, " after learning the truth ie jenova not being his mother and manipulator" pulles IT into the doomed timeline where he could "in his seraphim form" inact SUPERNOVA to sent the eldritch horror into oblivion!!! Along with himself of course as a remorseful sacrifice for the future.
maybe that's why Cloud can see the doomed sky while his friends cant? At the very end of the game with the movie level cutscene? Cloud tells Barret and the others "Don't look up." because he can see the tear in the sky. His friends can't, but that might be because Jenova and Sephiroth are still in Cloud's head messing with him, or he can see the rip because of what he just went through regarding Aerith? I'm probably rambling a bit, but its vids like this that get my brain trying to find all the "what if's" and the "maybes" and look up research to anything that sounds promising.
Man ff7 is so good , love what they’ve been doin with it so far . Jumping realllll deep in the lore is unreal
I never even thought about this idea but it makes sense the Gi would have summoned Jenova 2000 years ago and they are pissed the Cetra ended her preventing the Gi’s ultimate goal. I hope this video goes viral because this is some great work and research on your behalf. This blew my mind just now.
The amount of “Holy Shits” in this video is crazy! Excellent work! So much eye opening stuff here
I don't think the Aerith Cloud is seeing now is Aerith at all. Especially seeing Cloud has the Black Materia still.
I think she is up to a point when Cloud looks at the black materia and has a headache (that's why Red could sense her presence), but after that it's Jenova messing with Cloud's head
Its already said by Sephiroth in advent children that Gaia wasn't the first planet Jenova came to. Unless other planets have a materia system, I'd say the black materia is either otherworldly or is from this planet but doesn't summon her. Also, would the black materia not be empty because she's not within it?
Love to see where this goes. Super intresting theory. Personaly I'm leaning more towards the Jenova theory and I feel like this just give more reason to belive there is more to Jenova than a powersource for Sephiroth.
That video compilation was 🔥🔥
Omg I love this soo much! It's crazy how the trailer gives us soo many clues unknowingly! I did wonder why sephiroth was leading cloud towards the Gi in cosmo canyon, but of course, that sephiroth would be Jenova, Jenova was leading us to follow Nattak. Makes me want to play remake again to pick it apart for other clues 😍
I just beat the game 5 minutes ago. I was avoiding CZcams for spoilers but I'm glad I called in such to finish the game so I could immediately come to CZcams and watch this video and videos like it. I always thought the narrator from 2015 was just a cool voice. My mind was blown as soon as you put the two voices back to back. Bravo!
I thought about something. In the original game, in the Whirlwind Maze, you come across a moment after fighting Jenova Death. Cloud gives The Black Materia to a Party Member before heading further. Now I dont know what determines who gets it, but usually Red XIII gets it. He then brings it to Cloud, then Cloud gives it to Sephiroth. Now if we looks at Rebirth Red XIII making that promise to the GI, then perhaps in the 3rd part he will by default give it to Cloud and Cloud will do the same as before. Hence Red XIII will fulfill his promise to the GI. Yet he might request the GI to be the center of the Meteor Fall for one their deaths, two to stop Meteor with Holy and the Lifestream a moment later. Everyone wins in that case.
I'm pretty sure in the original, you get to choose who to give the black materia to. But in my most recent playthrough, I did indeed give it to Red XIII.
I gave it to my boy Barret
ahh yesss this video right here!!! touched on exactly everything i wanted and was thinking and theorizing about thank you! subbbbbed
I Love the internet.
I was flowing in a similar direction in my theorizing. I even made an observation that the "Edge of Creation" that Sephiroth pulls you into in Remake, is a visualization of the inner working of the planet. Sephiroth looks at the RAINBOWY nebula in the sky and says "Our world will be part of it one day." While you are there, opposite to it, you see a red nebula, separated opposite and far away from the rainbowy one. Given that there's a lot of red spirit energy in appearance and design in the Gi area, and with their inability to join the lifestream, I theorized the red nebula was plausibly "Gi Limbo."
(also it kinda looks like a silhouette of Jenova in the red cloud)
There were ideas thinking it was a Sephiroth vs Aerith, LS White vs LS Black thing, but the Black lifestream and whispers are consistently a different color from the red color shown here. I feel like the "Edge of Creation" is stand in for the Black Lifestream as it is also more pronounced and more dark and aetherial in the skybox in Rebirth once you go there.
/theory not fact
I am rarely taken aback by twists but the way you made my jaw dropped from the one I completely missed. Wow. That's fantastic. The way the Aerith scene completely shifts in implication. Just wow. Also, very enjoyable mic drop delerivery 😂
if you want more cookin there's a big Maximillian dood podcast making the rounds. Good stuff!
Thank you so much! I'm very glad you enjoyed this!
The way they brought the Gi into the plot is a really cool lore addition to the game. Realising where I knew the Gi Nattak voice was from was a great moment
Great video. It makes you wonder if Jenova was the original "Meteor," when the black materia initially stirred. I wonder how they are going to resolve the Gi storyline the game 3, since this is completely new material.
Woah! This makes me think about the game in a completely different way, Thank You for sharing this.
Congratulations you had finally piece together/decipher Nomura msg that has been marketted FF7R since 2015! ❤❤
This is insane! Wow amazing work dude!
Thank you so much! Love comments like these!
I also recognize Gi Nattak's voice as Yaldabaoth from Persona 5 and Jeralt from Fire Emblem Three Houses 😅
Great opener there, didn't catch that at first! Talk about playing the long game, FF doesn't disappoint there! Certainly some good food for thought to take into consideration when contemplating how the next game will go!
In the vr in Shinra HQ in remake where we see that awesome scene about the Cetra, it shows a Meteor as what wiped out the Cetra. Maybe a reach or something to consider 🤔
Love this idea, it makes sense given the change that it was the Gi who made the black materia or at least willed it into existence
This is an amazing theory, I’m sure the gi are more heavily involved with jenova
I was actually believing the opposite... that the Gi are the original "spawns" of Jenova. I took this view because of there not being any black robes present but Cloud still seeing Sephiroth in the Gi village... but this explanation does have a lot of good logic behind it. I dig it!
The Gi origins were somewhat explained during the party's traversal to the dungeon after reaching Seto's statue. Gi Nattak had a voiceover that is easy to miss since you are fighting the Gi spawns at the same time. Apparently they are from another world that had been destroyed, but a few of their number survived and were able to reach FF7's planet. Since we kinda know that Jenova's goal is to jump planet to planet, its possible they might have been former victims of Jenova. But its all wonderful speculation! Tons to think about until the next game.
In Cloud's case Sephiroth doesn't need a robed man. Think about all the times when Sephiroth appeared to tell Cloud that he allegedly killed Tifa. Or even when you first meet Aerith at the Loveless street and he puts his hand on her shoulder. Robed men are only required for other characters to see him, since unlike Cloud they don't have Jenova cells
Totally agree
@deyama2012 i see your point about sephiroth in remake, maybe it's via the whispers he can manifest himself?
Also regarding the Kalm scene where Sephiroth manifests himself to say to cloud about who is Tifa etc WARNING SPOILER
The inn keeper Broden is a clone.
Oh and I forgot to add Cloud tends to see sephiroth via clones whilst the party and others sometimes don't etc, Marco in remake, the clone in the swamp, the Kalm inn, temple of ancients trials of cloud there is a clone nearby. Maybe others I've forgotten.
Well, Jenova came to Gaia on a Meteor. So the Stir might be connected to that. Something like the materia is useable when it stirs. Maybe the Black Materia was used in the past before. It could been the Cetra after they stole it, bringing the Extinction upon themselves and Jenova to Gaia. It could have been an accident leading into a tragedy. Now with the black materia stirring again, a second meteor might not only bring destruction but the arrival of a second jenova. In the original that second meteor would be stopped by Holy, but if Sephiroth succeeds with his plan, who knows what woudl happen.
This is what I was wondering too. Could they be bringing a second jenova lifeform?
It's never stated that Jenova came with a Meteor. Only that it came from the sky.
In the OG it was speculated that the Cetra made the Black Materia, to defeat Jenova, and that they ended up using it once at the north pole, creating what's now the northern crater
If there was a meteor in the past, there’d be no world and no cetra to fight jenova the first time.
I feel like there’s gonna be an Avenger Endgame moment coming in part 3 where we’ll see Cloud leading Shinra troops or maybe the robes now SOLDIERS again, Barrett leading Avalanche, Yuffie leading Wutai warriors, Tifa leading Zangan’s students, Vincent leading the Turks, Cait leading an Army of Moogles, Cid leading an Air Fleet, and Nanaki possibly leading the Gi. All to oppose Jenova in the final battle
Nanaki leading the Gi is actually pretty badass. I can see this potentially being a thing. Like all characters we have met along this journey join forces to take down Sephiroth/Jenova. Or at least help the main party get to Sephiroth to let them battle him in the Northern Cave
I appreciate the effort you put into these videos.
Knights of the Round better be implemented in a flashback where they were needed to help end Jenova alongside the Cetra.
That is going to be one hell of a boss fight to obtain their materia.
@@NdieCityim guessing it will be the new protorelic quest where we get flashbacks of the Cetra, Gi and Knights of the Round.
This is a really interesting theory! Thanks for sharing!
I love you, such an interesting video 😍❤️❤️❤️ i was not expecting this theory and i love it
Intro was fire
WOW okay this is awesome. They’ve been cooking since 2015 and I am HERE for it 😂😂 I had a the same thoughts that the Gi had some sort of connection to Jenova but the 2015 trailer connections are WILD
Bro gi nattak it's the same voice from the remake trailer...nice man, thanks
Wow, you did a great job putting this video together! 💜💜
Really appreciate you leaving that comment! Thank you!
Wow, great video! 😮
dam this masterfully puts into perspective what is going on in the story imo, i could not understand any theories which seem to gloss over combination of all you have shown
Thanks! I'm glad you found this video helpful!
Maybe it’s simply that the Black Materia summons a random meteor from somewhere in space. We know from Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus that Jenova’s feeding cycle is she feeds on the life energy of a planet, when that planet’s energy is used up it explodes, Jenova grabs onto one of the larger chunks and rides it to its next victim. The Gi may have just randomly grabbed the one she was riding on when they used Meteor.
It couldn't just be a random meteor, because the odds of it being a meteor that is A) big enough to destroy the planet and B) close enough for it to not take millions or billions of years to arrive are, for lack of a better word, astronomical. In fact, in all likelihood, the sun would die and take the planet with it before the meteor's arrival.
@@asaffin1This final fantasy realistic physics do not apply
@@Kitth3n Yes, they do.
@@asaffin1
There are spells in the series that summon a terror storm instantly upon the battlefield, so I dunno about that.
@@kurisu7885 The existence of magic doesn't preclude the laws of physics. Magic is the exception, and exceptions prove the rules. Magic doesn't preclude the laws of physics. The laws don't necessarily need to be 1:1 with the real world, but unless a particular aspect is specifically shown to differ, then it only makes sense to assume it doesn't. For example, gravity clearly exists in FF7. So does time. And no aspect of the game suggests that the composition of the solar system or broader universe is any different to the real world. So if you're going to assume that spacetime can just be completely countermanded by magic, then the implication is rather severe: nothing then can stop even more ludicrous usage of magic to do things like Cloud traveling back in time to kill Hojo and Gast before they can create Sephiroth, and you have to start explaining why things like that don't happen in order to justify your previous theories. It's an endless vortex of contrivance.
Brilliant catch ! Excellent video
Awesome video. Gi said that they found a material from the planet and imbue it with their prayer, does that mean the material they found is a clear material? The same one Cloud has? This is wild.
VERY interesting thought! I think you may be right!
The editing in this is amazing
Thank you!
The Narrator Voice from 2015 is David Lodge. The voice of Gi Nattak is Bruce Thomas. But even with that, the delivery and cadence is exactly the same to the point where I still believe it's Gi Nattak talking in the 2015 trailer. So many new voice actors came about specifically for the remake trilogy that weren't original VAs. So I treat the Gi Nattak voice like Uncle Iroh when Greg Baldwin replaced Maki after his passing.
Great video by the way!
Since releasing this video, I had to do further investigation and found some pretty solid evidence from David Lodge Twitter that it was him voicing the 2015 trailer. I plan on making a follow up video to clarify things but you seem to be on the exact same page as I am! The delivery, cadance, and even subject matter is waaay too similar to discount the point I'm making in this video.
Thank you for your comment!
@@FinalFanTV anytime! Looking forward to it. You inspired me to follow up on your video with my own theory that I'm working on now. I believe Cloud created the black materia out of the clear materia that he has in the ending. I should have it out tonight or tomorrow. Thank you for inspiring myself to also give this a shot
One of the better indirect explanations for the ReProject to be its own separate thing as opposed to a continuation of the Compilations
But boyo am I really hoping for some kind of closure to the cliffhanger the Compilation left us on. At least!
I agree
If Aerith's role in Part 3 is her actually being Jenova and manipulating Cloud...That is some dark shit, and extremely uncomfortable. They are going to have to have it to where the Real Aerith can combat that and breakthrough to Cloud in some way
I think Cloud is actually seeing the multiverse via Sephiroth giving Cloud “his blessing”. He’s in denial about truth dying because he saw a timeline he saved her in, mixed with it seeing her spirit, and defeating Sephiroth with her, and his broken psyche.
Holy shit that would be a great plot twist and it would piss off so many Aerith fans
Im so excited to learn more about the cetras past. I also am excited to learn more about the GI and the Black Materia. Part 3 is going to be WILD! Sucks we have to wait a few years. Lol ✌️✨️
I'm of the opinion that the "original" calamity from the sky wasn't Jenova exactly but a meteor. But not just any meteor. Gi Nattak talks about the destruction of their world and how some planets "consume" (for lack of better terms) other planets. Just like in other Final Fantasys, Gaia is depicted as a blue planet, but Terra is a red dying planet. A dead planet full of grief and sorrow subsumed by Gaia. I think the Goddess Minerva attempts to purify this malignancy but unfortunately becomes corrupted and is transformed into the physical manifestation of Jenova that we see in Nibelheim/Shinra HQ. With it's new found memory altering powers (because the lifestream is just memories and the Cetra could harvest and cultivate memories) Jenova lays waste to the Cetra. Jenova is not a person or even a thing but a concept. Like Cloud of Darkness from FF3. The Gi now stranded on Gaia with no way to return to the cosmic stream find a way to crystalize THEIR memories into the ultimate summon materia. They wish to summon Terra from oblivion to attempt to shatter the vessel that holds their stream hostage. Much like Aerith has to have ALL of her vessels destroyed across the errant worlds so her mind and soul can be returned to Gaia. It's how the Cetra defeated Jenova. Fragments scattered through world born of false hope but kept in check by fate. The whispers are essentially jailers or prison guards and that's why the center of Harbinger glowed purple. Just like at the end of OG where holy is held in place by a red jail kept in place by Sephiroth's version of a Harbinger.
Btw, did you notice that the black materia is double-layered, for lack of a better word? Like, a smaller sphere nested within a bigger sphere. If we assume that's a metaphor for planets, then it's as if the Gis are living on the surface of the inner sphere, while everyone else are living on the surface of the outer one. Just a quick thought, lol
Gi are not from Gaia so that ends that idea
@@bjornironsides6474 yes? I think you may want to read that again.
@@bowlympicshero you state many contradictions. Jenova is Minerva, jenova lays waste to cetra, cetra defeats jenova, jenova is a concept.. you’re all over the place.
@@bjornironsides6474 yet what is wrong in what I say?
Everytime we see meteor and Sephiroth in the center we see a purple cat eye slit before the black whispers are absorbed. Check it out it’s an eye.
Remember what Aerith says in the original: The Black Materia isn't something anyone can use. She says it takes someone with great spiritual power to wield. The stir is Sephiroth's machinations within the Lifestream, harvesting the energy he needs to actually cast Meteor. In contrast, getting the materia itself ended up being very easy for Sephiroth.
Those edits were awesome!
Wow, this had me hooked the whole way
Fantastic shit. Ill be following for more 🎉🎉
My guy. You are onto something
Mentioned this theory on reddit but sharing it here too seems relevant: could the Gi be the same species as the Ronso from Final Fantasy X??
The FFX is the same universe as FFVII theory has long been discussed and even referenced in game;
- The Al Bhed Shinra from FFX being featured in the Shinra Museum in Midgar
- Aerith's lifestream manipulation in Chapter 13 of Rebirth being a clear callback to Yuna's summoning dance
Which brings me to the Gi. It's explicitly stated that they are not from Gaia, and are stuck in their zombie ghost form because they can't ascend to a lifestream that is not their own. What struck me while playing was their design, particularly their cat-like masks, their tall proportions and clawed hands and feet. Statues in the temple of the Ancients also depict large cat-like men. The Gi we meet in game are decayed and corpse like, but when they were alive I don't think it would be a stretch that they could have had fur. There's also plenty of similarities in terms of their costume designs with those of the Ronso. Both are tribal communities who make their homes in sacred caves.
It might be a stretch, but I'd be curious to hear people's thoughts!
... FUCK! now i can't unsee this but the connection is there and the GI and Cetra part stood out to me when i was playing rebirth ... GI forge a materia so that they can be freed from their pain ... Cetra stole it and hid it so that no one can find it nor use it ... Cloud is caught in btwn ... idk maybe im getting this mixed up but god damnit this is some juicy lore and im ALL FOR IT! SE is cooking it up with this and im all for it!
Quality vids ace!
Love it.
I had the same thought when playing and it blew my mind!
Also DAMN, well spotted with the voice!!!
Got to say that video ending is hilarious.
Love this! Great video!!!!!
The gi are like the spirts in the film
ff spirt within
Dude. I think you solved the entire remake trilogy plot. Very nice job.
haha thanks! I don't about the entire plot but I really appreciate the compliment!!
Someone's finally asking the question
I thought I was the only one to notice the voice of Gi Nattak and the narrator from the trailer are the same! Hoping for some flashback/closure to this Gi - Jenova - Black Materia plot line in the third game.
Here I saw that trailer was making an Analogy to Remake. There being a calm (time spam between Advent Children Compete and Remake being released), promise has been made (the remake that was being made). I hope this theory is true, because that makes everything make more sense.
I think it is more likely that the Gi's planet was destroyed by Jenova, and that 2000 (or w.e) years ago, they used the Black Materia to call meteor (maybe a fragment of their dead planet?) and Jenova had feasted on its remains etc and she found her way to Gaia via that transporation. That's actually an old theory from FF fans, that Jenova arrived from a meteor as well.
I think the Gi and Jenova came on the same meteor. The Gi wanted to live in peace with humans and the Cetra. Jenova wanted to leech off of the planet. The Gi eventually died off but they couldn't return to the planet so they created The Black Materia to end their purgatory. That's my theory
Don't you find it weird that after Aerith dies, the recurring theme with her showing up to Cloud is from his geostigma affected left arm?
what do you mean?
I think that FFX reference in Temple was not just there to be a reference.
I think with how different the ending is going to be, the new "500 years later" scene is going to be older Nanaki bringing someone who can bring them peace after years of discovery, and it will literally be an FFX Sending.
These tie ins give me a lot more confidence in part 3 and the remake as a whole. This isn’t a half assed cash in with no planning between episodes (cough cough Disney Star Wars cough). All the more reason this is one of the best stories in games to come out in a while
At last! You're the only other person thinking that as soon as Aerith died, Jenova hurried to take her place. Look how she doesn't show any compassion to Tifa's sadness whereas she was her best friend, and more than that : she's just smiling at her. I'm sure Tifa can see between the worlds since her trip into the life stream. And that she senses there's a huge problem on their way. The beast has indeed took Aerith's face.
A french guy. Kind regards.
I was waiting for someone to make this connection. I recognized Gi Nattak’s voice immediately when he first spoke. It’s the same as the narrator from that very first 2015 trailer. My eyes were honestly like 👀
I knew he sounded familiar, but I couldn't place it. when I saw the answer here I had the same reaction. along with the thought - "Oh... this changes everything."
I love how you think, because both these theories were bouncing wildly inside my head as I played/finished the game 😂
There's certainly a connection, no doubt. Though I'm curious to know how else the Gi would receive peace outside of having the entire planet destroyed, since there's no way the planet will 'change it's mind' per se. We do have Omega and Chaos who are connected to the planet's demise, so I could also see Chaos/Vincent giving them that peace as well.
Awesome theory. May i suggest reviewing Xenogears as some people may have forgotten this was the original FF7 story pitch and the whole Jenova + Reunion lore was derived from the Deus weapon. and the Gazel Ministry is equivalent to the Gi, since rebirth has given them more depth this time. It seems like they are pulling some notes from the original concept storyline back in 97.
I was a kid when I played Xenogears so I don't remember it that well but thanks for the suggestion to revisit it!!
i gotta share this to max dood
Huh, I forgot that part. That the Gi claimed the materia and turned it into the Black Mareria. Hm
So basically, got to look backwards.
Jenova's Realms Mosaic Theory. (Broken Mirror)
Sephiroth aka Jenova needs to merge the realms.
Meaning, That the ancients were not able to beat Jenova or the calamity that rang from the sky.
So with a last effort, they shattered reality into many pieces. The planets arbiters of fate would make sure that each realm plotted events stay the course, so that Jenova never becomes aware of what is going on. Until Seph or Jenova does..
Now, the reunion is the merging of these worlds. Aerith now will be unable to hide in any other realm. The merging of worlds needs to happen, to bring it back to the realm from which it came.
Also, the Gi are blue and so is Jenova. Maybe she's a Gi. Because the Gi aren't from earth and cannot merge with the lifestream and neither can Jenova
Wouldn't be surprised if you're right on this... the promises deal...man...I dunno but the last, huge game can't come fast enough (rather wait 10 years and get a masterpiece than rush it though!!!)...
I almost died laughing when you said "oops!" Omg hahaha I was thinking the same when I saw that scene!
Off subject but...Sephiroth kept focusing Cloud on Tifa being a fake which may have been a double ploy...first, she's the only one who was able to combat his reunional state at all so she's a problem for them, but second...if they were planning to mimic Aerith, we know Sephiroth already knows what happened originally or in other timelines or whatever so...priming Cloud's mind...whew.
That's an amazing theory
When my Phoenix down ain’t work I felt BETRAYED
It's very likely that another civilization had banished Jenova on a meteor, and the GI summoned it back inadvertently. The black materia's use is to summon a meteor to wound the planet enough so thst Omega can syphon all the lifestream, including all living things born to it, and move into the space to find a new home. Jenova and Sephiroth want to summon Meteor to move to a new planet, kill it, and repeat. The Gi instead want the lifestream to leave the planet so that they can finally die with it.
I took it as Jenova and the Gi are to their world, what Minerva and the Cetra are to our world.
Their lifestream was turned black with despair and their world perished (you see it portrayed in Bugenhagen's simulation.) The remnants of that world carry a blackened lifestream where all its hope is negated and saturated with despair. And parts of this broken world collide with our world of Gaia, bringing a fallen goddess Jenova, and her subjects, the Gi.
The Gi and Jenova are both unable to be killed, because they can't be returned to a lifestream from which they didn't originate. So they are like an eternal zombie soul that instead have to be sealed away rather than destroyed.
I imagine that the Gi would use the black materia if they could, but it is a trick, and that all the black materia does is turn the lifestream black with despair, and continuing the cycle of planetary destruction. It will not give them peace. True peace comes from returning to the lifestream, and the promised land.
We see a Sephiroth remnant, Kadaj being purified and accepted into the lifestream at the end of Advent Children. So I think the general idea is that the Gi can be returned to the lifestream in principle. But they are misled and mistaken. They seethe for an eternity wanting oblivion, but true peace comes from letting go of your despair, and accepting the "Gift of the Goddess." The lifestream isn't rejecting them, they are rejecting the lifestream and their hatred and misery is poured into their dream for vengeance against the planet.
Man, they really expanded the whole black materia lore.
This game is special. I really enjoyed. I totally recommend to anyone on the fence, my wife and daughter asked me to play every night it so they could catch up with the story.
In a certain scene, my daughter closed her eyes and asked if a character had survived… and my wife cried. So yeah, 1997 all over again 😂
This is fantastic
Thank you!
Oh, I did not make any connection with the 2015 trailer in my brain but I was wondering the same about Jenova and the Gi while playing. 🤔
Did their nihilistic prayers attract something ominous from the stars, more than 2000 years ago ? I guess devs could've an interesting narrative thread to follow there.
We knew since OG that Jenova came to earth on a object that created the Northern crater and we also knew that the Black materia had the ability to summon a giant meteor but both informations were unrelated. It only makes sense to try and link them, just like they're trying to link Weapons and Huge materias in the remake trilogy or so it seems.
The balance is delicate to find when you deal with cosmic horror though. I hope they don't ruin everything interesting about Jenova by giving too much information about her origins.
Anyway, thanks for bringing up theories that don't involve crazy shippings and multiversal shenanigans. 😂
Excellent
Perhpas Gi are death spirits, like in the movie Final Fantasy: Spirits within. Gi were good worldbuilding
Yup. Sounds good.
I was just thinking his voice sounded familiar
perhaps the "salvation" of the Gi will come from Holy (acceptance into the Lifestream) instead of Meteor
I love this theory
I wonder why is Jenova depicted as an angel (like Jessie in Loveless) in the temple of the ancient…?