If there is a Season 3, Priya should definitely quit early on. Not only because she made final 4 twice and other characters should get the spotlight, but also she should actually stand up to her parents and separate herself from the show.
@@TheIceCreamWizard Nichelle has interactions with Damien, Emma, Wayne, Julia, and Axel. She has a total of eight episodes across two seasons, what did you expect? Scary Girl has only interacted with Priya and Damien.
i think the joke with emily not understanding people is what axel said ''she cant stop making out with the guy who cut her brakes and we think shes a good judge of character'' and i think that is pretty funny
@@voiceunderthecovers imo Emma not understanding people makes sense. as axel said she kept going back to chase over misunderstandings despite all the crap he put her through & she's just generally a capricious person overall.
Wayne would be a good winner if he was still dumb but has an arc where he does straight up mind blowing strategies but is too dumb or goofy to notice how much of a good strategizer he is
I feel like the second worst season thing is a little harsh but I’m glad to find someone who is consistent and strong about there opinions even if some are unpopular
I kinda agree. It at least deserves to be above both All-Stars and Pahkitew and honestly I think the hate for reboot Season 2 is a bit much. Why? Because outside of the last 3-ish episodes before Priya's elimination, I actually liked the whole cast except Priya, Chase, and Nichelle. Which is a step up from Season 1 where I didn't like Caleb, Millie, Nichelle, Ripper, Chase, and Emma.
While this review is a bit harsh, Like Caleb being the worst character and Zee being derailed, I noticed how nearly everyone who isnt a jerk in S2 have really bad endings. Millie gets shunned by everyone, Rat Faces uses Emma's insecurities get her eliminated, Nichelle & Ripper has to pay 1M to Chris and Ripper has co-dependency issues now, Zee pisses everyone off, Damien gets eliminated in the most embarrassing way possible & Caleb is in a toxic relationship. *And the worst thing is the jerk characters got off very lightly* 2024 should be a season where MOST contestants have a happy ending, not the other way around
to be fair, millie apologized for being a judgmental person and what she did to damien doesn’t connect to that. i wouldn’t say she is completely irredeemable, i could see her actually reading the binder and comes back to the island with a more strategic gameplay. i could also see millie actively trying to be perceived as a good person by interacting with more people and increasing her social game and go further than priya.
My main issue is that a lot of them are just 'playing" the game so we don't get the meaningful interactions since when you compare 2 characters like heather and Julia since Julia has (i think) a better placement ratio getting 4th then 3/2nd heather is still better due to her interactions
Most characters weren't derailed, just flanderized or had weird character directions. Caleb had no character prior to season 2. So you can't really argue that he was derailed Axel and Nichelle also barely had any personality in season 1; they just didn't do much with them. SG didn't change. Damien was reset to his pre-season 1 development but remained the same. MK, Zee, Chase, Priya and Bowie were consistent with their season 1 selves. Emma was mostly the same. The hockey bros got flanderized, not derailed. Julia was the same, just more overpowered. Millie got flanderized and reset. Ripper was the only one truly derailed, losing all his distinguished traits.
S2 of the reboot only really focusses on certain characters (being Julia & Prileb) while the rest kinda fall into the background (even Wayne, who won the season). Characters like Axel, Nichelle, Emma, MK, Ripper, Damien & Scary Girl had a lot of potential but they either are pretty irrelevant to the plot, barely had anything done to them, get complety derailed for a shitty plotline (Millie) or werent used to their potential (it still is weird that MK and Julia bonded at the start while MK exposed Julia while Julia got her booted.) My boot order would be 16: Chase (his elimination in ep 2 was perfect but i really couldnt think of anyone else to put in this spot, so i think chase is most likely) 15: Millie ( In my universe she never pushed someone of a meat grinder slide & was out probs due to caleb to make Priya's focus be on him or something like that) 14: Scary girl (wish she got further but also, its pretty realistic in my opinion) 13: Emma (i dont mind her placement but i do mind how she got eliminated, like she obviously knows ppl but like idk, make team skunk butt kinda sabotage the other team, tho idk how exactly. Like maybe by swapping the correct answers with the wrog answers and MK probs edits the others by making them say the opposite by other what) 12: Wayne (like him, i think its a fair placement) 11: Bowie (again, a fair placement. But i mind the shit that happend Off screen.) 10. Axel (probs to eliminate a showmance, and cuz axels the bigger threat they vote her off Merge time (a 5 episode pre merge is... something) 9/8. Priya & Caleb (i think them being eliminated together is good ig.. tho i wouldnt mind Priya quitting this season but it is whatever really) 7. Nichelle (idk, probs cuz she used Jerry or smth? I have no clue, or shes voted out due to her ego or something off that nature 6. Julia (i need mk to get julia eliminated for revenge of s1) 5. Raj ( um idk! Its an okay placement ig) 4. Zee (by some purge challlenge ig, i want him to have plot but also my mind doesnt have ideas) 3. Ripper (a redemption arc kinda, development ig) 2. MK (main antagonist, think this is a good placement so yeah!) 1. Damien (i think out of everyone, i think Damien would be the most deserving out of everyone here.) Yeah i dont ideas really, so umm. But i think these placements are good in my eyes. I hate how Scary girls plot is wasted as it was a cool idea.
My thoughts on all the reboot characters Caleb - Boring character that could have been good in season 2 Axel - cool design that went to total waste on Gidgette 2.0 Nichelle - BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING Lauren - my favourite reboot character. Appeals to my love of goofy horror and she's got a great design. Hope she does well in a future season and I think she could work great as a meme villain like Max or Justin Damien - I liked him decently enough in season 1, season 2 he was a great character who deserved better the elimination he got MK - I wasn't crazy about her in season 1 but I loved her in season 2 Wayne and Raj - good comic relief characters. I was okay with Wayne winning tbh Ripper - hated him in season 1. Season 2 he had the potential to be good but it went to waste thanks to making him Gidgette 2.0 Zee - one of the best characters in season 1, totally wasted and derailed in season 2 Chase - he's kinda hit or miss for me in season 1. Season 2 he was pretty funny Emily - wasn't a big fan in season 1, didn't leave much of a meaningful impression in season 2 Julia - I wasn't crazy about her in season 1, but I thought she was pretty good in season 2 when she wasn't consulting wizards to do things off screen for her. Loved her bits with MK Millie - wasn't a fan in season 1, annoying fodder in season 2 Bowie - just a great and well written character Priya - white bread in season 1, the worst part of season 2 Chef - I like his bit where he calls out the contestants before the marshmallow is given out but he's nothing compared to how he was in the original trilogy Chris - I kinda almost see Terry Chris and Potenza Chris as 2 different entities even though they aren't if that makes any sense idk. I like most people prefer OG Chris but I think Terry does a good job voicing him.
i think emma would work better with caleb... not as in dynamics but in the sense it kinda makes sense cause she couldve developed trust issues from chase and then she would trust someone again and be betrayed... it would maximize the effect or something.
I agree with a lot of your points about Caleb post the pinball episode, but I disagree about you saying that he was a villain early on. This may be just me, but I never saw him as a villain in the early episodes, it doesn’t seem like he was being a sneaky manipulator trying to trick Priya into falling in love with him, he was just trying to get closer to her to convince her to make an alliance with him and “flirting” is the only way he knows how to do that. It sounds stupid, but Caleb is pretty stupid when it comes to social skills, there’s hints throughout the show that he doesn’t really get to socialize all that much because of how much his parents demand of him, and given how everyone around him seems to fall in love with him, it does seem a bit more logical that acting flirty and smooth is the only way Caleb understands to interact with others. I don’t think he was necessarily trying to trick Priya, but that he thought they were both on the same page about this whole thing just being an alliance and after Zee introduces the idea of it becoming something more, he actually thinks about it and likes the idea. Again, this just how I interpreted it on my first watch, and I haven’t watched S2 in a while, so my memory about the episodes is a little foggy. I do agree with you that Caleb took a huge nosedive after Ep 8 (Well, I guess episode 10 to be more specific), I don’t think it was bad enough to make him THE worst character in the whole show (In fact, I still like him), but yeah, it was REALLY bad, I did *mostly* like him in the Finale, but in episodes 10 - 12? Yikes…
@@BendonPC that’s a pretty good interpretation of his character actually, and it makes sense. I still think that trying to get close to someone for personal gain does make him a bad friend at the very worst, but I can see why you’d think he’s a good character regardless.
@@voiceunderthecovers Yeah, it’s definitely still a shady thing to do from a moral standpoint, even if he didn’t necessarily have “bad intentions”, which is why I don’t like that they made him act like such a nice little cinnamon roll after Ep 8, making him a little naive would have been fine, but dear God, they went WAY too far with it
I agree with everything said about MK, I really hope that if a s3 happens, that julia is a early boot, so MK can fulfill her potential, instead of being julia's sidekick
@@voiceunderthecovers This cast had a lot of potential. Season 1 wasn't the best, but it made me really enthusiastic about them returning for a second season. There were lots of characters who didn't get their time to shine and now they finally had a second chance. As much as I like Priya and Julia to see the same two girls make it to the final 4 was disappointing. I liked the MKJulia friendship, but MK leaving before Julia in this season was really bad. It was the perfect opportunity for us to see MK being a villain by herself and not be overshadowed by Julia. Her elimination didn't make much sense either. We also never got to see Emma having a plot of her own that doesn't involve Chase. Nichelle actually had her own plot going on, but they dropped that too just to make her quit the game. Not to mention that in those 5 episodes we barely saw. When the first trial was posted I was confident Nichelle will be a villain, but nah. I hope that in season 3 she will make it further in the game and actually be relevant. They should make her get revenge on Julia AND OH LORD JULIA ! I like Julia, I find her really entertaining. BUT WHAT'S WITH THAT PLOT ARMOUR ? The idol thing was plain stupid. How did she even find it ? How did the note help her find it ? Everything was off screen just like when Riya's stole Rosa's idol, but at least Riya knew who had the idol and where Rosa was keeping it so it made sense. The hair part was unnessary and unoriginal in my opinion. It was a reference to when Heather got shaved , but we don't need two different characters getting a similar karma. Axel had so much potential. They did her so dirty. She acts rude towards everybody, but she has a kind soul and this season she wanted to finally redeem herself and act nicer towards the others. The way she helped Damian in episode 2 was wholesome. I really want to see a friendship between these two. Axel could help Damian overcome some of his fears and Damian could help Axel show her kind side more often and be less aggressive. I really like how despite her attitude Axel values fair play, she could've been a great protagonist. To be honest, I actually like Axel and Ripper. They were adorable at the beginning of the season and it was really fun to watch their silly interactions. Ripper was like my least favourite character when I finished season 1 , but I really didn't mind him getting together with Axel at all. That was until the creator chose to make them like Geoff and Bridgette. THEM BEING GIDGETTE 2.0 IS OUT OF CHARACTER FOR BOTH OF THEM !! Like Ripper was a total dickhead in the last season why would he be all lovey dovey in this season ? Axel was pretty competitive at the start of this, so why drop it now just to make out with Ripper ? Bridgette was my favourite character in TDI. I loved her with all my heart, but then they had her make out with Geoff for a whole season. She had her chance to shine in World Tour, but nope , they had her make out with a pole instead. If they don't give up on the Gidgette 2.0 by season 3 istg. It's not even realistic, people don't kiss 24/7 in the real world. NOW ONTO RIPPER, AGAIN ANOTHER WASTED OPPORTUNITY ! Yes, he did improve as a person , but why did it happen off-screen ? It was such a waste to have him leave the island with Axel. Chris didn't let Duncan quit in s3, but he is ok with Ripper just jumping on the drone and is not even attempting to get him back when they are like 2 meters away from him ? Ripper was destroyed by the Gidgette plot, so we needed some episodes with him after Axel left. I wanted to see how much he has developed as a character in between seasons. They should have made everyone dislike Ripper after s1 and then they should have given him one episode where he gets to shine and everybody's bad opinion on him changes. Scary Girl's normal girl arc was a big failure. Yes, she is in the show for comedy purposes only, but I really want to see her make it far once. She's not a threat game-wise, because it is super easy to distract her from a challenge or eventually try to get her vote. Well yeah, she is creepy as hell, but she did help her team win in s1, so she could have been useful pre-merge. I really want to hear her backstory, it would be interesting knowing what happened in her life before joining TD. Priya and Caleb was a disaster. Priya seemed a bit out of character this season. She was way too naive and had anger issues. Overall she just felt different from season 1 Priya. Everything you said about Caleb is 100% correct. His character confused the hell out of me. I liked him for the first part of season 2, after that I really wanted to root for him, but couldn't. Like you would pretend to be in love with someone to win a game but you wouldn't doublecross Julia to save your girlfriend ? What the fuck ? Not to mention their relationship was a mess. They kept fighting and making up for the sake of the plot and by the end of the season I couldn't even tell if they truly have feelings for each other or not. I've always hated Millie and I always will. Even in season 1 she was so plain and boring and it was a pain to watch her make it to the finale. However, I still believe they did her dirty in season 2. I was happy to see her gone early, but not like that. Pushing Damian down a deadly slide after getting a long ass redemption arc ? Why ? JUST WHY ? If I were Damian I wouldn't have forgiven her. Chase is pretty much the same which I am honestly okay with. Damien too, he was the only one I was rooting for in this season. As for Zee , who is Zee ? That ain't Zee, my buddy. He wasn't even funny this season, it's like he ran out of Zeecharm. It felt like his only purpose in this show was to fuel the Priya-Caleb plot. Well I am too lazy to write , so for Raj and Wayne I am on the same page as you. I wish they would interact with more people outside their circle ( especially Raj ).
After sitting with both reboot seasons for a while, i definitely agree with you that A) Millie should have won season 1 instead of Priya (my Discord friends have my head on a stick for this take) B) Even though I was a fan of Julia in season 1, she should have been eliminated in episode 6 and MK be the main villain instead. C) Like i said in my video a little bit, Wayne was made even dumber than season 1 and he's no longer competitive at all
@@cashmere8059 I wish season 2 was twice as good as the first season. I really do. Because I love this cast. They’re just really badly written after their initial season.
Don't underestimate how poorly written Priya was since S1 though. I can't recall a character who ever held up worse on a rewatch for me. I suppose it's not completely her fault that her horrible parents caused her to be the person she is, but like...Priya is not a redeemable person! She, through what she learned from her parents, PUSHES her best friend into doing shit that's basically against her will. And she NEVER gets called out on ANYTHING. The closest thing to such is when Millie is writing the notes in her diary about her. But even then, the whole thing is framed as that Millie is in the wrong somehow?? She legit did not say one bad word about Priya, she was complaining about her parents. And she's the one who's meant to apologize. AND THEN...PRIYA WINS! 💀💀 Her controllers get what they wish, she doesn't even learn any corny 'friends>money' spiel I would've accepted, she just gets everything handed to her at the end after honestly behaving atrociously and aggressively throughout the entire season. I thought she was just bad in Season 2, but no, all the dislikeable traits of hypocrisy, malice, naivety, insidiousness, and privilege are all completely at play (if you need just one prime example, watch back just how much she takes Millie for granted for the entire season and all the little digs she throws at her that culminates in the quite personal attacks she said about her in their big pre-finale confrontation). This isn't even mentioning how BORING she is. Like, there is actually no life to any of her story usually, apart from yelling about how much she likes competition or something. Terrible character. Over-saturated to a never-endingly painful yet virtually bland fault. Bottom 5. And yeah, all those bad qualities are cranked up to 11 in Season 2 and she makes it to endgame for no discernible reason I can think of outside of the unspoken rulings they have about how finalists somehow are necessary endgamers in their following season, despite _no fan_ liking this. Caleb was a terrible boyfriend and everything, but the inconsistency regarding how mad at him Priya is is also really in effect, as well as why she keeps trusting Julia, which no, is not excused just because they have Priya _acknowledging_ she doesn't trust her. That is straight-up just the writers admitting they just want to keep Julia there really long for no affable reason. But I blame Priya more for this because she's meant to be this tough challenger/superfan. And she just gets played the whole time. Her elimination is one of the few occasions in which I found it suitable to cheer on the _villain_ for taking her out.
I’m so glad that people are finally starting to hate the Reboot Season 2, I felt like I was the only person who hated it when it was coming out. Not a single character got better this season besides Bowie and Scary Girl.
Also, I feel like they should do a new cast next the reboot cast or a second chance season since it already feels like the reboot cast is complete and the only characters that don't really feel like their characters are done to their full potential Damien, Nichelle, Scary Girl, Emma and Chase (Kinda?) they could easily get put into another season like second chance since that's another reality show parody total drama hasn't done yet which is second chances / redemption. It could also be a good reason to bring back some old td characters that didn't really get far / spotlight in their seasons. Examples: Justin, Eva, Katie, Sadie, Trent, Harold, Dawn, B, Brick, Staci, Sammy, Beardo, Topher etc.
That youtuber is not only known as a creep, but they way he expressed his opinion was also rude. I would also block people who would personally contact me just to talk shit about my work. There's a difference between making criticism and being rude. Terry has accepted tons of criticism about the series before because they were worded in a more respectable way. I literally told him that I didn't like one thing about the finale and he said that I made good points.
If they get a s3 and s4 these two things imo should happen. - 1 Make the characters interact with more people outside of their group for example, in Damiens elim episode it's one of the few times he interacts with Julia and it's really good to see Damien and Julia interact. these two play well off each other and it would be cool to see more interactions like this with Axel for example. literally the only people i can think of that have good relationship outside of their og teams that doesn't ruin each others characters is Wayne, Raj, and Damien SORT OF. And - 2 eliminate some of the higher performing characters earlier to give characters who have no character... A character- Nichelle, the third paul brother, and emma who sadly doesn't do anything that doesn't relate to the third paul brother.
Hot take MK wouldn't have made a better antagonist than Julia for season 2. While she is more interesting and has more potential than Julia, it doesn't necessarily mean she fits the role better. Despite the dismay of 90% of the fandom, the main plot of the season was Prileb-a story about a guy who falls in love with a girl he initially only wanted to manipulate. As the story progresses, his lack of previous relationships and struggles to balance his relationship and the competition create multiple misunderstandings and drama between the two. MK is underhanded, smart, cunning, and versatile. However, she wouldn't realistically handle a plot like Prileb well due to her lack of social skills. A more generic social antagonist like Julia is simply more effective for such a plot. I'm honestly perfectly fine with her roles as a secondary antagonist this season, and I thought it was handled pretty well.
It's too bad that Julia still doesn't work in that role since nobody should trust her and her manipulation is extremely surface level. MK could at the very least plant hints and clues subtly, she doesn't have to speak to Priya or Caleb directly. Just plant seeds of doubt from the outside. That would do just fine for such a dysfunctional pair. Also, having as a secondary antagonist undermines her individuality and loner nature, making her out to be a follower instead of an anti social personality who has survived this long staying small.
@voiceunderthecovers Yes, they shouldn't have trusted Julia. I don't deny that she was badly handled, but there are multiple ways to involve Julia in that plotline without having Priya and Caleb blindly trust her. Sure, MK could handle that, but having her minimally involved with Prileb wouldn't be enough to make her feel like a main antagonist. It would make her feel far less threatening than Julia, which is especially bad given that she's supposed to be the sole antagonistic force for a while. I wouldn't call MK the follower within the duo. They were on pretty equal footing within the cheating plotline, and then pretty much didn't do anything with each other from episodes 6 to 8. The only time she somewhat felt like a follower was in that one scene at the beginning of episode 9, but that alone isn't enough to make her one Her loner side was still present, but she couldn't afford to be one and fly under the radar since everybody knew who she was and she was put on a team dominated by Bowie and the hockey bros. She had no reason not to ally with someone. I see this more as her adapting to a new situation. However, I do think it somewhat undermines her loner side, i just don't think it's a issue as her season 2 characterisation is still consistant with her season 1 self. If they wanted to lean into that side of her character, they should've made her the antagonist of season 1 imo
Caleb didn’t manipulate Priya, he thought she wanted an alliance as well. He even states it in episode 5 (Priya and I will make an unstoppable alliance, and I know she’s thinking the same thing!) Campers approaching other contestants for alliances happens in every season - Bowie literally did the same thing with Emma in reboot s1. And speaking of Emma, I like her but her elimination made perfect sense. Priding herself as a people person is totally in character since she’s such a capricious and delusional individual, and while it was the wrong call for Priya to tell Emma to go against her gut, it’s totally believable she’d presume Emma wouldn’t have a good read on Chase considering how she took him back TWICE over misunderstandings. She also had zero friendships/allies within her team- Priya was the de facto leader of the rat faces and had Caleb who wanted an alliance with her, Damien, Zee and Axel who were all on her team the previous season, and Nichelle had been rebuffed by Emma in episode one so…
Reboot s2 was in my opinion one of if not the worst seasons of Total Drama since it flanderized characters, made an unsatisfying winner (no hate to Wayne though), Julia had insane plot armor, all the characters that would've been interesting were booted early for fodder characters like Zee, Raj, and Wayne so here's what I would change about each character: Scary Girl: Perfect Chase: Perfect Millie: Perfect Emma: Make her last longer her whole plotline was about Chase most of the time so it would be interesting seeing her go far without Chase this time) Nichelle: Wasted character but I feel like her elimination should've been later and it was her cockiness that got her eliminated instead of a STUPID fake script. Bowie: Perfect Axel / Ripper: To be honest it wasn't that bad but like tone down the gross stuff and make it not all of their plotline about it. Zee: I actually really like Zee, but he feels like a filler character I don't mind him getting decently far but this wasn't the season, and it probably should've been Nichelle here. MK: She should've been the main antagonist instead of Julia since her plot armor would actually make sense since she would just cheat and also it would be interesting seeing how she interacts with everyone else besides Julia. Damien: His elimination was so bad like they never even showed Julia had the idol that was unreasonable plot armor and what was the point of giving Damien the idol when he would just get it stolen. I would also make his story this season about gaining more confidence in himself. Raj: Overstayed his welcome should've gone earlier so Bowie and Wayne could grow without him but he's not bad. Priya: I actually don't mind her and Caleb being a couple but just make it, so they connected because how similar their homelives and stuff are initially instead of Caleb trying to switch around between a soft boy and a strategist. Caleb: Same as what I said about Priya Julia: Make her either late merge or early merge since she overstayed her welcome and got way too much plot armor for somebody who everybody knows is a villain. Wayne: He isn't a bad pick for a winner, but he was kind of just filler, and he never even interacted that much with anybody else which made it even less interesting since at least Owen, everybody interacted with him at least once in the merge, and he felt like one of the main characters that season. What I would change though is Wayne being alone from Raj and trying to get farther in the game for him causing him to win like originally but Raj getting eliminated much earlier. So, my elimination order for these changes: 16th: Scary Girl 15th: Chase 14th: Millie 13th: Raj 12th: Zee Merge 11th: Ripper 10th / 9th: Bowie and Julia 9th: Axel 8th: Nichelle 7th: Emma 6th: Damien 5th: Priya 4th: Damien 3rd: Caleb 2nd: MK 1st: Wayne
I love Ripper. Favorite character of the reboot. He reminds me so much of a mix of Owen and Duncan and that's probably why I was interested in him. Axel and Ripper is a great dynamic, but just a missed opportunity. It took me a bit to get around to Chase but the more i watched him the more i found how terrible he was hilarious. I never really cared for Priya. Caleb is just a less interesting Justin and Nichelle is...Nichelle. Julia and MK work better as frenemies. Their friendship kinda comes out of nowhere and it's probably gonna lead to a relationship if we get a Season 3. Emily's okay. Definitely needs more development. Same with Scary Girl. Overall, the Reboot cast is good but they need more seasons to me. Great video!
I think they should so aftermath show episodes in the new season and 1 of them is mk and julia (the hosts this means they have to be earlyboots) telling Priya that her parents r horrbile as they think it will be good drama and she has a call going of at her parents.
My two cents on the cast is that because they were able to fit 15 compelling setups for characters (Lauren is a bit of a hard sell in that regard since you can just have her be an agent of chaos and I'd be okay with it) into 13 episodes, they didn't know what to do with them for the second season. Because of it, they ended up going through a lot of the same arcs again (IE Millie and Priya), having sudden developments between seasons (IE Nichelle, Ripper and begrudgingly MKulia) or just forgotten about in favor of 13 more episodes of Priya and Julia (didn't Priya want to make an alliance with Emily at one point?). Like you, I'm totally on board with some of the ideas (IE Caleb trying to make a connection with Priya so he can redeem himself, Ripper and Axel attempting to abandon the tough image and start a relationship, Damien finding the idol), but they bungle the execution so much because they want to focus on the same few characters. It's like if Action only focused on Gwen and Heather. I'm probably not entirely correct in this regard, but I feel like they made the decision to streamline the reboot into the "Priya, Julia and Occasionally Everyone Else Show" was to cater to a younger audience. Having a clearly defined protagonist and antagonist basically gives them free reign to do whatever they want with the other 14 (to varying degrees of success). I don't want to call it another case of "Residual Dramarama", but it very well might be.
@@aequitad4411 These seasons, despite having romance plots and mild teenage angst within them, are no doubt catered towards kids. Rama was aimed at children ages 4-8, and so much is carried over from Rama to Reboot, from how Chef acts now to the design of toddler Priya to the way the humor is done. It’s all still totally TD, it just has tons of Rama flavoring in it that makes the general taste feel watered down. Priya and Julia are such simple characters in season 2 that it really does make me think that the show is catering to audiences around 8-10 years old and that really sucks. TD hasn’t lost its way, but it certainly will soon enough if we continue down this pathway. Plus if you look at the fanbase online and how they act, you can definitely tell adult fans are few and far between.
To be fair to Raj, him making a mannequin of himself by undressing was a smart idea and he thought of it on his own. Also, I don't think Caleb was ever a villain. He probably didn't even mean to flirt with Priya, just to make himself seem like the perfect ally, therefore a strategic move, but then he began to genuinely like her. If he'd been using her, he probably wouldn't even have told Zee that it was an alliance, not a relationship, unlike Alejandro and his "I was genuinely fond of Bridgette/Leshawna" when that's a total lie. Caleb's problem is that he's too honest and he appears to find discomfort in lying or even omitting info. Also, if you're calling Emma by the wrong name to differentiate her from RR Emma, could you say that? I don't know why they didn't name her Emily because it was so easy to give her a variation on the same name instead of the exact one, but her name is still Emma.
I still like this cast don't get me wrong but ugh this season just does certain things that rubbed me the wrong way, especially the 2nd half. I wouldn't say it's terrible tho, but definitely mid. I'd say second worst over All-Stars imo.
Probably should watch the video first lol but I think Wayne and Raj was more flanderized than they acted in season one during my rewatch of season one.
I think Julia has more plot amor that Priya because at least Priya didn’t have any bs moments, like how did Julia survive the episodes epically in the merge when she was up for elimination? Like that ugly mf got saved of the most stupid reasons 😭 None of the things she did to like convince Bowie was the mastermind, Michelle’s fake Hollywood note, and Damien’s idol was ON screen and she said it in the end of the episode, like I never liked this character and never will
This video definitely proves that the writers don’t know how the write in total drama. Many characters even in the past got ruined or just don’t even get spotlight to its characters. Season 2 of the reboot just had a bunch of shit writing and wasted many characters potential (damien, mk, emma, nichelle, ig raj, scary girl), derailed (priya) or even both (ripper and axel). Julia is a big creators pet and her doing most of her villainy off screen was shit and lazy writing. Wayne dumbed down a lot to the point it got annoying. Caleb is so damn inconsistent and a love story with Priya is a horrible start for his character arc. Zee I don’t mind his writing much and he’s still funny. Chase and Bowie are the ONLY characters who reminded consistent in both seasons. Millie was great in both seasons but did she really have to push Damien down that 4 point slide with him blindfolded? C’mon now 🤦♀️
Yeah a 3 year old can write better than them. Let's hope total drama finally gets cancelled and the writers go jobless, I hate them so damn much they're talentless jealous losers
I love Julia but I’m happy someone called her out on being a alejandro and heather ripoff but everything going her way in S2 was just horrible writing i usually root for villians because the odds are against them but having a op villian took away the fun for me The idea of Mk being the main villian for season 1 was actually a good idea and I wished MK didn’t get booted in episode 6 since i liked the idea of a villian being basically a puppet master of the game without being obvious
I think one of the big problems with the reboot is how it is so clear that its written by millenials trying too hard to appeal to zoomers without actually understanding them
I want to see a top three of Zee, Scary Girl and Emily next season. Lauren needs to do more, enough said. Zee is a guy that other players would want to bring to the end because he’s so laid-back that he’s easy to beat. However, from a storytelling perspective, he’s just competent enough to where him winning isn’t out of the question. And Emily is another character that I don’t think the other players would see as a threat, so they’d want to keep her around. One of my biggest problems with season 2 is that really strong competitors like Priya and Julia were able to stick around for so long. If I were on the show, I’d try to eliminate such massive threats as soon as possible Speaking of which, I think Julia should be a fodder character in season 3, and MK should be the main villain. I like the idea of Julia being a man on the outside for MK. That way we wouldn’t have to miss out on their dynamic
@@1mikefan819 at least Pahkitew is mostly good. I think Pahkitew is a better season than Reboot season 2. It’s just that Pahkitew suffers from a half and half cast, some are good, some are bad. Reboot S2 is mostly bad or mediocre.
@@voiceunderthecovers I agree with that actually. I might. I'm not a fan of Pahkitew. But I do like a lot of moments from it. Way more than the Reboot season 2
I'd make it So Millie wins instead of Priya, priya actually realises how bad her homelife was as let's Millie finish as a screw you to her parents, also, I feel like Bowie and Millie would have be better contrasting finalists. also, I'd have Zee booted Early and Give the keeping Caleb's secret plotline to either... Millie. Nichelle Emily, I headcannon Emma is what her friends call her. who do u think is the best pick?
My 13 reason why is that MK wasnt the main villain in s1/s2 (i mean she shared the villain role with Julia in s2 kinda but Julia was a main one and MK was a side one)
Very noice video, even if I have basically nothing to say. I guess I’ll throw my ranking of the cast, since I don’t really have anything else interesting to comment. F Tier: Awful 16th: Nichelle 15th: Caleb E Tier: Boring 14th: Axel D Tier: Bad 13th: Lauren 12th: Ripper (sorry) C Tier: Ok 11th: Julia 10th: Priya B Tier: Good 9th: Millie A Tier: Great 8th: Wayne 7th: Raj 6th: Emma 5th: Chase S Tier: PEAK!!! 4th: Bowie 3rd: Zee 2nd: MK 1st: Damien.
Actually you raise a really good point about Priya. She was literally raised to be good at reality competition shows, so shouldn’t that mean she should have a better social game and ability to read people? I get her being bad socially because of what her parents did, but we don’t really see her implement the strategy and social play needed for games like Total Drama. I think that would also fix her big issue in season 2. Have her be overly cautious and suspicious of people in season 1, then have her make an effort to be less so in season 2. That way it makes sense why she’s ignoring Caleb’s obvious scheming.
@@itsallwayspouringo brilliant, you literally just solved her biggest issue. I mean, the start of it, we still need to work on the execution of their relationship.
The show never once stated that they trained her for the strategic side of shows like Total Drama, just the physical challenge stuff. Makes sense considering how little strategy there was in TD before the reboot.
@@sameyfan612 I know they never said they trained her for that, I’m just saying that it’s a little strange they focused so hard on training her for reality competition shows, but not the social and strategy aspects of them. Those two are often as, if not more, important to success in competition shows. Like, yeah there are people who try to comp (win challenges) their way through the competition, but that doesn’t always work. Especially on Total Drama where there are many examples of people going home because they’re not well liked and have no contingency such as an alliance or a bigger target. And I really disagree with the last part. Characters were implementing strategies since the first season. Heather forming an alliance with very gullible people, Justin and Alejandro using their physical charm and charisma to manipulate people, Scott throwing challenges to fly under the radar and falsely boost his competitors confidence before the merge, and Courtney planning who to vote off when after the merge in All Stars are just some examples of strategic play before the reboot. How well these work out and how well they’re written is one thing, but they’ve been present since season one.
@@itsallwayspouringo Never said strategy wasn't in TD before, I said there wasn't all that many of it. If a show like TD would exist in our world, the dangerous life threatening challenges are what any of us would train for the most if we want to win, otherwise there's a good chance Chris kills us as early as episode 1.
@@voiceunderthecovers I think that Caleb’s redemption was good and that he wasn’t derailed, it was just bad writing for like an episode (the one where he says he can’t lie)
Yeah all of the characters were just atrociously written, kids from kindergarden would write better characters than these. Let's hope total drama finally gets cancelled and all of its writers, especially that clown terry mcgurrin get blacklisted because this is just.. insane. They can't get away with hurting people with these putrid seasons and atrociously written characters. I really don't understand why the reboot was even greenlit in the first place or why total drama got to continue past ep 1 since it's just so terrible written! Great video I really hope you will make more TD rants, the more people hate this show the more likely it will finally get cancelled! Thank God for Disventure Camp!
@@voiceunderthecovers No it's not, it's a masterpiece, way better than total garbage, which has nothing but terrible writing. As I said keep doing rant videos like this and hope that it will get the show finally cancelled!
@@DCRULES3934if the show was cancelled before hand then Disventure camp would’ve never existed…as Disventure camp is literally based off of it💀💀, the art style and how the game works. Grow up maybe?
@@Cyb3rAc3 Disventure Camp has nothing to do with total drama, there's a reason they won the lawsuit after the talentless total drama writers tried suing them after they got jealous of ONC's much superior work. DC has better animation and uses the format way better, It's total drama that tried stealing from DC, look at the season 2 challege from the reboot, it's a shameless ripoff of DC.
am i the only one who doesn’t like damien? His character is so badly written. He had a win and the immunity idol in episode 6 and 7, but he did nothing for the episodes before and after. And he got further than more interesting characters like MK and bowie
Yeah damien is just awful, but so is every other characters in this shitty show. The writers don't know how to write at all, they have the intelligence of 4 year olds. It explains their jealousy for Disventure Camp, Reunion and Oskayi Island, all much better written shows.
It's hard to put into words, but I feel like this cast as a whole is missing something, even though I like almost all of the characters in it on an individual level (the exception is Caleb because I'm not sure what his character even is). My favorite cast of characters is Revenge of the Island, and one of the reasons I like it so much is because I can easily envision all those characters being part of one big friend group if they weren't competing. This might just be my bias though, and not actually a reflection of the way they were written. People other than me might not even enjoy that aspect. Still, it's something I couldn't help but notice when thinking about this modern cast.
@@dumbstuff666 Generation one has that same feel, and the RR cast is also pretty close by the end of the show. Pahkitew and Reboot are the only super clique heavy generations where some characters never even interact with each other and others are just incredibly hateful. I don’t think anybody likes MK and Julia in the shows cast. That’s probably why it feels wonky.
I’m so sick of this cast 😭 it’s time to bring back old cast OR bring in an entirely new cast. Everytime I bring up the fact I dislike the new cast people HATEEE.
If there is a Season 3, Priya should definitely quit early on. Not only because she made final 4 twice and other characters should get the spotlight, but also she should actually stand up to her parents and separate herself from the show.
Genius. It's great for her character. I don't think she should be the first boot, but I definitely think her quitting early is great.
The main problem with the reboot is that characters dont have any meaningful interactions with people outside there bubble
13 episode thingz but apparently Action dragz.
And then there's Nichelle, who has no bubble to begin with.
@@TheIceCreamWizard Nichelle has interactions with Damien, Emma, Wayne, Julia, and Axel. She has a total of eight episodes across two seasons, what did you expect? Scary Girl has only interacted with Priya and Damien.
i think the joke with emily not understanding people is what axel said ''she cant stop making out with the guy who cut her brakes and we think shes a good judge of character'' and i think that is pretty funny
@@keep3339 that’s actually a good point. But she wasn’t like this last season.
@@voiceunderthecovers imo Emma not understanding people makes sense. as axel said she kept going back to chase over misunderstandings despite all the crap he put her through & she's just generally a capricious person overall.
Wayne would be a good winner if he was still dumb but has an arc where he does straight up mind blowing strategies but is too dumb or goofy to notice how much of a good strategizer he is
Wayne still is a good winner compared to what he was up against.
I feel like the second worst season thing is a little harsh but I’m glad to find someone who is consistent and strong about there opinions even if some are unpopular
Thanks! I'm sorry, but Reboot S2 is just really bad after episode 7. Like, hard to watch bad. And even before that it's got some glaring issues.
It’s fine dude I can’t say my opinion on strawberry cake with out being swarmed by people but I love your content dude keep it up 👍
I kinda agree. It at least deserves to be above both All-Stars and Pahkitew and honestly I think the hate for reboot Season 2 is a bit much. Why? Because outside of the last 3-ish episodes before Priya's elimination, I actually liked the whole cast except Priya, Chase, and Nichelle. Which is a step up from Season 1 where I didn't like Caleb, Millie, Nichelle, Ripper, Chase, and Emma.
@@TekRonan I mean more power to you but I think taking a look at the bigger picture, the season is much more flawed than Pahkitew.
Glad to see someone who also believes Zee derailed in S2
While this review is a bit harsh, Like Caleb being the worst character and Zee being derailed, I noticed how nearly everyone who isnt a jerk in S2 have really bad endings.
Millie gets shunned by everyone, Rat Faces uses Emma's insecurities get her eliminated, Nichelle & Ripper has to pay 1M to Chris and Ripper has co-dependency issues now, Zee pisses everyone off, Damien gets eliminated in the most embarrassing way possible & Caleb is in a toxic relationship. *And the worst thing is the jerk characters got off very lightly*
2024 should be a season where MOST contestants have a happy ending, not the other way around
Especially because we have NO idea if this will be the last one we ever get.
to be fair, millie apologized for being a judgmental person and what she did to damien doesn’t connect to that. i wouldn’t say she is completely irredeemable, i could see her actually reading the binder and comes back to the island with a more strategic gameplay. i could also see millie actively trying to be perceived as a good person by interacting with more people and increasing her social game and go further than priya.
Finally someone who realizes Caleb is annoying
Finally? he’s the most hated reboot character where have you been
@@stormyhoney9660 rlly? I haven’t seen much of it
My main issue is that a lot of them are just 'playing" the game so we don't get the meaningful interactions since when you compare 2 characters like heather and Julia since Julia has (i think) a better placement ratio getting 4th then 3/2nd heather is still better due to her interactions
The cast started off so strong, it’s sad that almost all of them (with the exceptions of Julia and MK) got derailed in Season 2…
Except Julia and MK?
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MK got better but Julia got WAY worse
@@grandom7116 giggles
Unfortunately Julia and MK may have derailed the most
Most characters weren't derailed, just flanderized or had weird character directions.
Caleb had no character prior to season 2. So you can't really argue that he was derailed
Axel and Nichelle also barely had any personality in season 1; they just didn't do much with them.
SG didn't change.
Damien was reset to his pre-season 1 development but remained the same.
MK, Zee, Chase, Priya and Bowie were consistent with their season 1 selves.
Emma was mostly the same.
The hockey bros got flanderized, not derailed.
Julia was the same, just more overpowered.
Millie got flanderized and reset.
Ripper was the only one truly derailed, losing all his distinguished traits.
S2 of the reboot only really focusses on certain characters (being Julia & Prileb) while the rest kinda fall into the background (even Wayne, who won the season). Characters like Axel, Nichelle, Emma, MK, Ripper, Damien & Scary Girl had a lot of potential but they either are pretty irrelevant to the plot, barely had anything done to them, get complety derailed for a shitty plotline (Millie) or werent used to their potential (it still is weird that MK and Julia bonded at the start while MK exposed Julia while Julia got her booted.)
My boot order would be
16: Chase (his elimination in ep 2 was perfect but i really couldnt think of anyone else to put in this spot, so i think chase is most likely)
15: Millie ( In my universe she never pushed someone of a meat grinder slide & was out probs due to caleb to make Priya's focus be on him or something like that)
14: Scary girl (wish she got further but also, its pretty realistic in my opinion)
13: Emma (i dont mind her placement but i do mind how she got eliminated, like she obviously knows ppl but like idk, make team skunk butt kinda sabotage the other team, tho idk how exactly. Like maybe by swapping the correct answers with the wrog answers and MK probs edits the others by making them say the opposite by other what)
12: Wayne (like him, i think its a fair placement)
11: Bowie (again, a fair placement. But i mind the shit that happend Off screen.)
10. Axel (probs to eliminate a showmance, and cuz axels the bigger threat they vote her off
Merge time (a 5 episode pre merge is... something)
9/8. Priya & Caleb (i think them being eliminated together is good ig.. tho i wouldnt mind Priya quitting this season but it is whatever really)
7. Nichelle (idk, probs cuz she used Jerry or smth? I have no clue, or shes voted out due to her ego or something off that nature
6. Julia (i need mk to get julia eliminated for revenge of s1)
5. Raj ( um idk! Its an okay placement ig)
4. Zee (by some purge challlenge ig, i want him to have plot but also my mind doesnt have ideas)
3. Ripper (a redemption arc kinda, development ig)
2. MK (main antagonist, think this is a good placement so yeah!)
1. Damien (i think out of everyone, i think Damien would be the most deserving out of everyone here.)
Yeah i dont ideas really, so umm. But i think these placements are good in my eyes. I hate how Scary girls plot is wasted as it was a cool idea.
My thoughts on all the reboot characters
Caleb - Boring character that could have been good in season 2
Axel - cool design that went to total waste on Gidgette 2.0
Nichelle - BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
Lauren - my favourite reboot character. Appeals to my love of goofy horror and she's got a great design. Hope she does well in a future season and I think she could work great as a meme villain like Max or Justin
Damien - I liked him decently enough in season 1, season 2 he was a great character who deserved better the elimination he got
MK - I wasn't crazy about her in season 1 but I loved her in season 2
Wayne and Raj - good comic relief characters. I was okay with Wayne winning tbh
Ripper - hated him in season 1. Season 2 he had the potential to be good but it went to waste thanks to making him Gidgette 2.0
Zee - one of the best characters in season 1, totally wasted and derailed in season 2
Chase - he's kinda hit or miss for me in season 1. Season 2 he was pretty funny
Emily - wasn't a big fan in season 1, didn't leave much of a meaningful impression in season 2
Julia - I wasn't crazy about her in season 1, but I thought she was pretty good in season 2 when she wasn't consulting wizards to do things off screen for her. Loved her bits with MK
Millie - wasn't a fan in season 1, annoying fodder in season 2
Bowie - just a great and well written character
Priya - white bread in season 1, the worst part of season 2
Chef - I like his bit where he calls out the contestants before the marshmallow is given out but he's nothing compared to how he was in the original trilogy
Chris - I kinda almost see Terry Chris and Potenza Chris as 2 different entities even though they aren't if that makes any sense idk. I like most people prefer OG Chris but I think Terry does a good job voicing him.
i think emma would work better with caleb... not as in dynamics but in the sense it kinda makes sense cause she couldve developed trust issues from chase and then she would trust someone again and be betrayed... it would maximize the effect or something.
@@kyslighthearted9101 commando Emily arc
I agree with a lot of your points about Caleb post the pinball episode, but I disagree about you saying that he was a villain early on.
This may be just me, but I never saw him as a villain in the early episodes, it doesn’t seem like he was being a sneaky manipulator trying to trick Priya into falling in love with him, he was just trying to get closer to her to convince her to make an alliance with him and “flirting” is the only way he knows how to do that.
It sounds stupid, but Caleb is pretty stupid when it comes to social skills, there’s hints throughout the show that he doesn’t really get to socialize all that much because of how much his parents demand of him, and given how everyone around him seems to fall in love with him, it does seem a bit more logical that acting flirty and smooth is the only way Caleb understands to interact with others.
I don’t think he was necessarily trying to trick Priya, but that he thought they were both on the same page about this whole thing just being an alliance and after Zee introduces the idea of it becoming something more, he actually thinks about it and likes the idea.
Again, this just how I interpreted it on my first watch, and I haven’t watched S2 in a while, so my memory about the episodes is a little foggy. I do agree with you that Caleb took a huge nosedive after Ep 8 (Well, I guess episode 10 to be more specific), I don’t think it was bad enough to make him THE worst character in the whole show (In fact, I still like him), but yeah, it was REALLY bad, I did *mostly* like him in the Finale, but in episodes 10 - 12? Yikes…
@@BendonPC that’s a pretty good interpretation of his character actually, and it makes sense. I still think that trying to get close to someone for personal gain does make him a bad friend at the very worst, but I can see why you’d think he’s a good character regardless.
@@voiceunderthecovers Yeah, it’s definitely still a shady thing to do from a moral standpoint, even if he didn’t necessarily have “bad intentions”, which is why I don’t like that they made him act like such a nice little cinnamon roll after Ep 8, making him a little naive would have been fine, but dear God, they went WAY too far with it
I agree with everything said about MK, I really hope that if a s3 happens, that julia is a early boot, so MK can fulfill her potential, instead of being julia's sidekick
Season 1 walked so that season 2 could trip and fall
@@itotaldramacourtneyi658 real as fuck
@@voiceunderthecovers This cast had a lot of potential. Season 1 wasn't the best, but it made me really enthusiastic about them returning for a second season. There were lots of characters who didn't get their time to shine and now they finally had a second chance.
As much as I like Priya and Julia to see the same two girls make it to the final 4 was disappointing.
I liked the MKJulia friendship, but MK leaving before Julia in this season was really bad. It was the perfect opportunity for us to see MK being a villain by herself and not be overshadowed by Julia. Her elimination didn't make much sense either.
We also never got to see Emma having a plot of her own that doesn't involve Chase.
Nichelle actually had her own plot going on, but they dropped that too just to make her quit the game. Not to mention that in those 5 episodes we barely saw. When the first trial was posted I was confident Nichelle will be a villain, but nah. I hope that in season 3 she will make it further in the game and actually be relevant. They should make her get revenge on Julia
AND OH LORD JULIA ! I like Julia, I find her really entertaining. BUT WHAT'S WITH THAT PLOT ARMOUR ? The idol thing was plain stupid. How did she even find it ? How did the note help her find it ? Everything was off screen just like when Riya's stole Rosa's idol, but at least Riya knew who had the idol and where Rosa was keeping it so it made sense. The hair part was unnessary and unoriginal in my opinion. It was a reference to when Heather got shaved , but we don't need two different characters getting a similar karma.
Axel had so much potential. They did her so dirty. She acts rude towards everybody, but she has a kind soul and this season she wanted to finally redeem herself and act nicer towards the others. The way she helped Damian in episode 2 was wholesome. I really want to see a friendship between these two. Axel could help Damian overcome some of his fears and Damian could help Axel show her kind side more often and be less aggressive. I really like how despite her attitude Axel values fair play, she could've been a great protagonist. To be honest, I actually like Axel and Ripper. They were adorable at the beginning of the season and it was really fun to watch their silly interactions. Ripper was like my least favourite character when I finished season 1 , but I really didn't mind him getting together with Axel at all. That was until the creator chose to make them like Geoff and Bridgette. THEM BEING GIDGETTE 2.0 IS OUT OF CHARACTER FOR BOTH OF THEM !! Like Ripper was a total dickhead in the last season why would he be all lovey dovey in this season ? Axel was pretty competitive at the start of this, so why drop it now just to make out with Ripper ? Bridgette was my favourite character in TDI. I loved her with all my heart, but then they had her make out with Geoff for a whole season. She had her chance to shine in World Tour, but nope , they had her make out with a pole instead. If they don't give up on the Gidgette 2.0 by season 3 istg. It's not even realistic, people don't kiss 24/7 in the real world.
NOW ONTO RIPPER, AGAIN ANOTHER WASTED OPPORTUNITY ! Yes, he did improve as a person , but why did it happen off-screen ? It was such a waste to have him leave the island with Axel. Chris didn't let Duncan quit in s3, but he is ok with Ripper just jumping on the drone and is not even attempting to get him back when they are like 2 meters away from him ? Ripper was destroyed by the Gidgette plot, so we needed some episodes with him after Axel left. I wanted to see how much he has developed as a character in between seasons. They should have made everyone dislike Ripper after s1 and then they should have given him one episode where he gets to shine and everybody's bad opinion on him changes.
Scary Girl's normal girl arc was a big failure. Yes, she is in the show for comedy purposes only, but I really want to see her make it far once. She's not a threat game-wise, because it is super easy to distract her from a challenge or eventually try to get her vote. Well yeah, she is creepy as hell, but she did help her team win in s1, so she could have been useful pre-merge. I really want to hear her backstory, it would be interesting knowing what happened in her life before joining TD.
Priya and Caleb was a disaster. Priya seemed a bit out of character this season. She was way too naive and had anger issues. Overall she just felt different from season 1 Priya. Everything you said about Caleb is 100% correct. His character confused the hell out of me. I liked him for the first part of season 2, after that I really wanted to root for him, but couldn't. Like you would pretend to be in love with someone to win a game but you wouldn't doublecross Julia to save your girlfriend ? What the fuck ? Not to mention their relationship was a mess. They kept fighting and making up for the sake of the plot and by the end of the season I couldn't even tell if they truly have feelings for each other or not.
I've always hated Millie and I always will. Even in season 1 she was so plain and boring and it was a pain to watch her make it to the finale. However, I still believe they did her dirty in season 2. I was happy to see her gone early, but not like that. Pushing Damian down a deadly slide after getting a long ass redemption arc ? Why ? JUST WHY ? If I were Damian I wouldn't have forgiven her.
Chase is pretty much the same which I am honestly okay with.
Damien too, he was the only one I was rooting for in this season.
As for Zee , who is Zee ? That ain't Zee, my buddy. He wasn't even funny this season, it's like he ran out of Zeecharm. It felt like his only purpose in this show was to fuel the Priya-Caleb plot.
Well I am too lazy to write , so for Raj and Wayne I am on the same page as you. I wish they would interact with more people outside their circle ( especially Raj ).
After sitting with both reboot seasons for a while, i definitely agree with you that
A) Millie should have won season 1 instead of Priya (my Discord friends have my head on a stick for this take)
B) Even though I was a fan of Julia in season 1, she should have been eliminated in episode 6 and MK be the main villain instead.
C) Like i said in my video a little bit, Wayne was made even dumber than season 1 and he's no longer competitive at all
@@cashmere8059 I wish season 2 was twice as good as the first season. I really do. Because I love this cast. They’re just really badly written after their initial season.
Don't underestimate how poorly written Priya was since S1 though. I can't recall a character who ever held up worse on a rewatch for me. I suppose it's not completely her fault that her horrible parents caused her to be the person she is, but like...Priya is not a redeemable person! She, through what she learned from her parents, PUSHES her best friend into doing shit that's basically against her will. And she NEVER gets called out on ANYTHING. The closest thing to such is when Millie is writing the notes in her diary about her. But even then, the whole thing is framed as that Millie is in the wrong somehow?? She legit did not say one bad word about Priya, she was complaining about her parents. And she's the one who's meant to apologize.
AND THEN...PRIYA WINS! 💀💀 Her controllers get what they wish, she doesn't even learn any corny 'friends>money' spiel I would've accepted, she just gets everything handed to her at the end after honestly behaving atrociously and aggressively throughout the entire season. I thought she was just bad in Season 2, but no, all the dislikeable traits of hypocrisy, malice, naivety, insidiousness, and privilege are all completely at play (if you need just one prime example, watch back just how much she takes Millie for granted for the entire season and all the little digs she throws at her that culminates in the quite personal attacks she said about her in their big pre-finale confrontation). This isn't even mentioning how BORING she is. Like, there is actually no life to any of her story usually, apart from yelling about how much she likes competition or something. Terrible character. Over-saturated to a never-endingly painful yet virtually bland fault. Bottom 5.
And yeah, all those bad qualities are cranked up to 11 in Season 2 and she makes it to endgame for no discernible reason I can think of outside of the unspoken rulings they have about how finalists somehow are necessary endgamers in their following season, despite _no fan_ liking this. Caleb was a terrible boyfriend and everything, but the inconsistency regarding how mad at him Priya is is also really in effect, as well as why she keeps trusting Julia, which no, is not excused just because they have Priya _acknowledging_ she doesn't trust her. That is straight-up just the writers admitting they just want to keep Julia there really long for no affable reason. But I blame Priya more for this because she's meant to be this tough challenger/superfan. And she just gets played the whole time. Her elimination is one of the few occasions in which I found it suitable to cheer on the _villain_ for taking her out.
@@Robert___98 hot damn, I could not have said that better myself. Thanks for reaffirming how awful this character is for me!
Calm down, it's just a drawing.
@@sameyfan612say that to most td fans
I’m so glad that people are finally starting to hate the Reboot Season 2, I felt like I was the only person who hated it when it was coming out. Not a single character got better this season besides Bowie and Scary Girl.
I agree with everything you stated the season sucks but Chase also got better.
@@maxchristopher4352 I’d say Chase was equally funny in both seasons
Also, I feel like they should do a new cast next the reboot cast or a second chance season since it already feels like the reboot cast is complete and the only characters that don't really feel like their characters are done to their full potential Damien, Nichelle, Scary Girl, Emma and Chase (Kinda?) they could easily get put into another season like second chance since that's another reality show parody total drama hasn't done yet which is second chances / redemption. It could also be a good reason to bring back some old td characters that didn't really get far / spotlight in their seasons. Examples: Justin, Eva, Katie, Sadie, Trent, Harold, Dawn, B, Brick, Staci, Sammy, Beardo, Topher etc.
Terry McGurrin blocked a youtuber on twitter for saying that Julia is the worst villain in TD history. i'm not even joking lol. Good video.
@@CoffeeaddictWriting wait, what? Who?
That youtuber is not only known as a creep, but they way he expressed his opinion was also rude. I would also block people who would personally contact me just to talk shit about my work. There's a difference between making criticism and being rude. Terry has accepted tons of criticism about the series before because they were worded in a more respectable way. I literally told him that I didn't like one thing about the finale and he said that I made good points.
@@sameyfan612 What CZcamsr?
@@voiceunderthecovers some reactor who often made NSFW comments in his videos, at least that's what I heard on twitter.
@@sameyfan612 Reaction videos suck but uh… do you know who you’re subscribed to?
If they get a s3 and s4 these two things imo should happen.
- 1 Make the characters interact with more people outside of their group for example, in Damiens elim episode it's one of the few times he interacts with Julia and it's really good to see Damien and Julia interact. these two play well off each other and it would be cool to see more interactions like this with Axel for example. literally the only people i can think of that have good relationship outside of their og teams that doesn't ruin each others characters is Wayne, Raj, and Damien SORT OF.
And
- 2 eliminate some of the higher performing characters earlier to give characters who have no character... A character- Nichelle, the third paul brother, and emma who sadly doesn't do anything that doesn't relate to the third paul brother.
Hot take MK wouldn't have made a better antagonist than Julia for season 2.
While she is more interesting and has more potential than Julia, it doesn't necessarily mean she fits the role better.
Despite the dismay of 90% of the fandom, the main plot of the season was Prileb-a story about a guy who falls in love with a girl he initially only wanted to manipulate. As the story progresses, his lack of previous relationships and struggles to balance his relationship and the competition create multiple misunderstandings and drama between the two.
MK is underhanded, smart, cunning, and versatile. However, she wouldn't realistically handle a plot like Prileb well due to her lack of social skills. A more generic social antagonist like Julia is simply more effective for such a plot.
I'm honestly perfectly fine with her roles as a secondary antagonist this season, and I thought it was handled pretty well.
It's too bad that Julia still doesn't work in that role since nobody should trust her and her manipulation is extremely surface level. MK could at the very least plant hints and clues subtly, she doesn't have to speak to Priya or Caleb directly. Just plant seeds of doubt from the outside. That would do just fine for such a dysfunctional pair. Also, having as a secondary antagonist undermines her individuality and loner nature, making her out to be a follower instead of an anti social personality who has survived this long staying small.
@voiceunderthecovers Yes, they shouldn't have trusted Julia. I don't deny that she was badly handled, but there are multiple ways to involve Julia in that plotline without having Priya and Caleb blindly trust her.
Sure, MK could handle that, but having her minimally involved with Prileb wouldn't be enough to make her feel like a main antagonist. It would make her feel far less threatening than Julia, which is especially bad given that she's supposed to be the sole antagonistic force for a while.
I wouldn't call MK the follower within the duo. They were on pretty equal footing within the cheating plotline, and then pretty much didn't do anything with each other from episodes 6 to 8. The only time she somewhat felt like a follower was in that one scene at the beginning of episode 9, but that alone isn't enough to make her one
Her loner side was still present, but she couldn't afford to be one and fly under the radar since everybody knew who she was and she was put on a team dominated by Bowie and the hockey bros. She had no reason not to ally with someone. I see this more as her adapting to a new situation. However, I do think it somewhat undermines her loner side, i just don't think it's a issue as her season 2 characterisation is still consistant with her season 1 self. If they wanted to lean into that side of her character, they should've made her the antagonist of season 1 imo
Caleb didn’t manipulate Priya, he thought she wanted an alliance as well. He even states it in episode 5 (Priya and I will make an unstoppable alliance, and I know she’s thinking the same thing!) Campers approaching other contestants for alliances happens in every season - Bowie literally did the same thing with Emma in reboot s1.
And speaking of Emma, I like her but her elimination made perfect sense. Priding herself as a people person is totally in character since she’s such a capricious and delusional individual, and while it was the wrong call for Priya to tell Emma to go against her gut, it’s totally believable she’d presume Emma wouldn’t have a good read on Chase considering how she took him back TWICE over misunderstandings. She also had zero friendships/allies within her team- Priya was the de facto leader of the rat faces and had Caleb who wanted an alliance with her, Damien, Zee and Axel who were all on her team the previous season, and Nichelle had been rebuffed by Emma in episode one so…
MK and Emma should've been a duo.
Reboot s2 was in my opinion one of if not the worst seasons of Total Drama since it flanderized characters, made an unsatisfying winner (no hate to Wayne though), Julia had insane plot armor, all the characters that would've been interesting were booted early for fodder characters like Zee, Raj, and Wayne so here's what I would change about each character:
Scary Girl: Perfect
Chase: Perfect
Millie: Perfect
Emma: Make her last longer her whole plotline was about Chase most of the time so it would be interesting seeing her go far without Chase this time)
Nichelle: Wasted character but I feel like her elimination should've been later and it was her cockiness that got her eliminated instead of a STUPID fake script.
Bowie: Perfect
Axel / Ripper: To be honest it wasn't that bad but like tone down the gross stuff and make it not all of their plotline about it.
Zee: I actually really like Zee, but he feels like a filler character I don't mind him getting decently far but this wasn't the season, and it probably should've been Nichelle here.
MK: She should've been the main antagonist instead of Julia since her plot armor would actually make sense since she would just cheat and also it would be interesting seeing how she interacts with everyone else besides Julia.
Damien: His elimination was so bad like they never even showed Julia had the idol that was unreasonable plot armor and what was the point of giving Damien the idol when he would just get it stolen. I would also make his story this season about gaining more confidence in himself.
Raj: Overstayed his welcome should've gone earlier so Bowie and Wayne could grow without him but he's not bad.
Priya: I actually don't mind her and Caleb being a couple but just make it, so they connected because how similar their homelives and stuff are initially instead of Caleb trying to switch around between a soft boy and a strategist.
Caleb: Same as what I said about Priya
Julia: Make her either late merge or early merge since she overstayed her welcome and got way too much plot armor for somebody who everybody knows is a villain.
Wayne: He isn't a bad pick for a winner, but he was kind of just filler, and he never even interacted that much with anybody else which made it even less interesting since at least Owen, everybody interacted with him at least once in the merge, and he felt like one of the main characters that season. What I would change though is Wayne being alone from Raj and trying to get farther in the game for him causing him to win like originally but Raj getting eliminated much earlier.
So, my elimination order for these changes:
16th: Scary Girl
15th: Chase
14th: Millie
13th: Raj
12th: Zee
Merge
11th: Ripper
10th / 9th: Bowie and Julia
9th: Axel
8th: Nichelle
7th: Emma
6th: Damien
5th: Priya
4th: Damien
3rd: Caleb
2nd: MK
1st: Wayne
I love Ripper. Favorite character of the reboot. He reminds me so much of a mix of Owen and Duncan and that's probably why I was interested in him. Axel and Ripper is a great dynamic, but just a missed opportunity.
It took me a bit to get around to Chase but the more i watched him the more i found how terrible he was hilarious.
I never really cared for Priya. Caleb is just a less interesting Justin and Nichelle is...Nichelle.
Julia and MK work better as frenemies. Their friendship kinda comes out of nowhere and it's probably gonna lead to a relationship if we get a Season 3.
Emily's okay. Definitely needs more development. Same with Scary Girl.
Overall, the Reboot cast is good but they need more seasons to me.
Great video!
I think they should so aftermath show episodes in the new season and 1 of them is mk and julia (the hosts this means they have to be earlyboots) telling Priya that her parents r horrbile as they think it will be good drama and she has a call going of at her parents.
My two cents on the cast is that because they were able to fit 15 compelling setups for characters (Lauren is a bit of a hard sell in that regard since you can just have her be an agent of chaos and I'd be okay with it) into 13 episodes, they didn't know what to do with them for the second season. Because of it, they ended up going through a lot of the same arcs again (IE Millie and Priya), having sudden developments between seasons (IE Nichelle, Ripper and begrudgingly MKulia) or just forgotten about in favor of 13 more episodes of Priya and Julia (didn't Priya want to make an alliance with Emily at one point?). Like you, I'm totally on board with some of the ideas (IE Caleb trying to make a connection with Priya so he can redeem himself, Ripper and Axel attempting to abandon the tough image and start a relationship, Damien finding the idol), but they bungle the execution so much because they want to focus on the same few characters. It's like if Action only focused on Gwen and Heather.
I'm probably not entirely correct in this regard, but I feel like they made the decision to streamline the reboot into the "Priya, Julia and Occasionally Everyone Else Show" was to cater to a younger audience. Having a clearly defined protagonist and antagonist basically gives them free reign to do whatever they want with the other 14 (to varying degrees of success). I don't want to call it another case of "Residual Dramarama", but it very well might be.
@@aequitad4411 These seasons, despite having romance plots and mild teenage angst within them, are no doubt catered towards kids. Rama was aimed at children ages 4-8, and so much is carried over from Rama to Reboot, from how Chef acts now to the design of toddler Priya to the way the humor is done. It’s all still totally TD, it just has tons of Rama flavoring in it that makes the general taste feel watered down.
Priya and Julia are such simple characters in season 2 that it really does make me think that the show is catering to audiences around 8-10 years old and that really sucks. TD hasn’t lost its way, but it certainly will soon enough if we continue down this pathway.
Plus if you look at the fanbase online and how they act, you can definitely tell adult fans are few and far between.
To be fair to Raj, him making a mannequin of himself by undressing was a smart idea and he thought of it on his own. Also, I don't think Caleb was ever a villain. He probably didn't even mean to flirt with Priya, just to make himself seem like the perfect ally, therefore a strategic move, but then he began to genuinely like her. If he'd been using her, he probably wouldn't even have told Zee that it was an alliance, not a relationship, unlike Alejandro and his "I was genuinely fond of Bridgette/Leshawna" when that's a total lie. Caleb's problem is that he's too honest and he appears to find discomfort in lying or even omitting info.
Also, if you're calling Emma by the wrong name to differentiate her from RR Emma, could you say that? I don't know why they didn't name her Emily because it was so easy to give her a variation on the same name instead of the exact one, but her name is still Emma.
@@strawberrysoulforever8336 I have stated in the past that I call Emma Emily, so I don’t typically say it in every video.
I still like this cast don't get me wrong but ugh this season just does certain things that rubbed me the wrong way, especially the 2nd half.
I wouldn't say it's terrible tho, but definitely mid. I'd say second worst over All-Stars imo.
Probably should watch the video first lol but I think Wayne and Raj was more flanderized than they acted in season one during my rewatch of season one.
@@JustEpic_Yt I absolutely agree
I think Julia has more plot amor that Priya because at least Priya didn’t have any bs moments, like how did Julia survive the episodes epically in the merge when she was up for elimination? Like that ugly mf got saved of the most stupid reasons 😭
None of the things she did to like convince Bowie was the mastermind, Michelle’s fake Hollywood note, and Damien’s idol was ON screen and she said it in the end of the episode, like I never liked this character and never will
This video definitely proves that the writers don’t know how the write in total drama. Many characters even in the past got ruined or just don’t even get spotlight to its characters. Season 2 of the reboot just had a bunch of shit writing and wasted many characters potential (damien, mk, emma, nichelle, ig raj, scary girl), derailed (priya) or even both (ripper and axel). Julia is a big creators pet and her doing most of her villainy off screen was shit and lazy writing. Wayne dumbed down a lot to the point it got annoying. Caleb is so damn inconsistent and a love story with Priya is a horrible start for his character arc. Zee I don’t mind his writing much and he’s still funny. Chase and Bowie are the ONLY characters who reminded consistent in both seasons. Millie was great in both seasons but did she really have to push Damien down that 4 point slide with him blindfolded? C’mon now 🤦♀️
Yeah a 3 year old can write better than them. Let's hope total drama finally gets cancelled and the writers go jobless, I hate them so damn much they're talentless jealous losers
@@DCRULES3934this is why disventure camp has better writing for its characters.
@@leahkeeling9298 yeah disventure camp is flawless
I love Julia but I’m happy someone called her out on being a alejandro and heather ripoff but everything going her way in S2 was just horrible writing i usually root for villians because the odds are against them but having a op villian took away the fun for me
The idea of Mk being the main villian for season 1 was actually a good idea and I wished MK didn’t get booted in episode 6 since i liked the idea of a villian being basically a puppet master of the game without being obvious
Finally some Chase love and Julia hate 😭😭😭🙏🙏
I think one of the big problems with the reboot is how it is so clear that its written by millenials trying too hard to appeal to zoomers without actually understanding them
@@ArtisticTozmic Try gen x
Chase and Ripper got lobotomized in season 2
every character got way dumber except for Julia and Bowie.
@voiceunderthecovers thats SO cap almost everyone got smarter
@@sirchris6047 If you say so
8:59 Absolutely.
Good video. Also, hey, persona music in your video. Same! Haha.
@@zombietoon-show and Persona gameplay!
@@voiceunderthecovers True. That's where you got me beat haha.
I want to see a top three of Zee, Scary Girl and Emily next season. Lauren needs to do more, enough said. Zee is a guy that other players would want to bring to the end because he’s so laid-back that he’s easy to beat. However, from a storytelling perspective, he’s just competent enough to where him winning isn’t out of the question. And Emily is another character that I don’t think the other players would see as a threat, so they’d want to keep her around. One of my biggest problems with season 2 is that really strong competitors like Priya and Julia were able to stick around for so long. If I were on the show, I’d try to eliminate such massive threats as soon as possible
Speaking of which, I think Julia should be a fodder character in season 3, and MK should be the main villain. I like the idea of Julia being a man on the outside for MK. That way we wouldn’t have to miss out on their dynamic
Yeah Reboot S2 got pretty bad. The cast had to suffer through it. Paithew is like that too now that I'm thinking about. Hm.
@@1mikefan819 at least Pahkitew is mostly good. I think Pahkitew is a better season than Reboot season 2. It’s just that Pahkitew suffers from a half and half cast, some are good, some are bad. Reboot S2 is mostly bad or mediocre.
@@voiceunderthecovers I agree with that actually. I might. I'm not a fan of Pahkitew. But I do like a lot of moments from it. Way more than the Reboot season 2
@@voiceunderthecovers hey a Pahkitew Island enjoyer!
I'd make it So Millie wins instead of Priya, priya actually realises how bad her homelife was as let's Millie finish as a screw you to her parents, also, I feel like Bowie and Millie would have be better contrasting finalists.
also, I'd have Zee booted Early and Give the keeping Caleb's secret plotline to either...
Millie.
Nichelle
Emily, I headcannon Emma is what her friends call her.
who do u think is the best pick?
@@scottyoung7233 I think Emily makes the most sense for the Caleb thing
My 13 reason why is that MK wasnt the main villain in s1/s2 (i mean she shared the villain role with Julia in s2 kinda but Julia was a main one and MK was a side one)
@@Majorenmlabels same
Very noice video, even if I have basically nothing to say. I guess I’ll throw my ranking of the cast, since I don’t really have anything else interesting to comment.
F Tier: Awful
16th: Nichelle
15th: Caleb
E Tier: Boring
14th: Axel
D Tier: Bad
13th: Lauren
12th: Ripper (sorry)
C Tier: Ok
11th: Julia
10th: Priya
B Tier: Good
9th: Millie
A Tier: Great
8th: Wayne
7th: Raj
6th: Emma
5th: Chase
S Tier: PEAK!!!
4th: Bowie
3rd: Zee
2nd: MK
1st: Damien.
Actually you raise a really good point about Priya. She was literally raised to be good at reality competition shows, so shouldn’t that mean she should have a better social game and ability to read people? I get her being bad socially because of what her parents did, but we don’t really see her implement the strategy and social play needed for games like Total Drama.
I think that would also fix her big issue in season 2. Have her be overly cautious and suspicious of people in season 1, then have her make an effort to be less so in season 2. That way it makes sense why she’s ignoring Caleb’s obvious scheming.
@@itsallwayspouringo brilliant, you literally just solved her biggest issue. I mean, the start of it, we still need to work on the execution of their relationship.
The show never once stated that they trained her for the strategic side of shows like Total Drama, just the physical challenge stuff. Makes sense considering how little strategy there was in TD before the reboot.
@@sameyfan612 I know they never said they trained her for that, I’m just saying that it’s a little strange they focused so hard on training her for reality competition shows, but not the social and strategy aspects of them. Those two are often as, if not more, important to success in competition shows. Like, yeah there are people who try to comp (win challenges) their way through the competition, but that doesn’t always work. Especially on Total Drama where there are many examples of people going home because they’re not well liked and have no contingency such as an alliance or a bigger target.
And I really disagree with the last part. Characters were implementing strategies since the first season. Heather forming an alliance with very gullible people, Justin and Alejandro using their physical charm and charisma to manipulate people, Scott throwing challenges to fly under the radar and falsely boost his competitors confidence before the merge, and Courtney planning who to vote off when after the merge in All Stars are just some examples of strategic play before the reboot. How well these work out and how well they’re written is one thing, but they’ve been present since season one.
@@itsallwayspouringo Never said strategy wasn't in TD before, I said there wasn't all that many of it. If a show like TD would exist in our world, the dangerous life threatening challenges are what any of us would train for the most if we want to win, otherwise there's a good chance Chris kills us as early as episode 1.
I see what you’re saying but she is still a 16 year old girl lol, of course she’s gonna fall head over heels for the island’s resident hunk
Mkulia mentioned!!
Oh this video was not…
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Really think it’s wierd that you like ripper but hate Caleb 😕
@@Cyb3rAc3 I don't think its "weird" at all. Caleb is a badly written character - Ripper, in S1, isn't.
@@voiceunderthecovers I think that Caleb’s redemption was good and that he wasn’t derailed, it was just bad writing for like an episode (the one where he says he can’t lie)
Actually not bad writing it’s just a plot hole
Yeah all of the characters were just atrociously written, kids from kindergarden would write better characters than these. Let's hope total drama finally gets cancelled and all of its writers, especially that clown terry mcgurrin get blacklisted because this is just.. insane. They can't get away with hurting people with these putrid seasons and atrociously written characters. I really don't understand why the reboot was even greenlit in the first place or why total drama got to continue past ep 1 since it's just so terrible written! Great video I really hope you will make more TD rants, the more people hate this show the more likely it will finally get cancelled! Thank God for Disventure Camp!
@@DCRULES3934 Disventure Camp is laaaameeee
@@voiceunderthecovers No it's not, it's a masterpiece, way better than total garbage, which has nothing but terrible writing. As I said keep doing rant videos like this and hope that it will get the show finally cancelled!
@@voiceunderthecoversfax
@@DCRULES3934if the show was cancelled before hand then Disventure camp would’ve never existed…as Disventure camp is literally based off of it💀💀, the art style and how the game works. Grow up maybe?
@@Cyb3rAc3 Disventure Camp has nothing to do with total drama, there's a reason they won the lawsuit after the talentless total drama writers tried suing them after they got jealous of ONC's much superior work. DC has better animation and uses the format way better, It's total drama that tried stealing from DC, look at the season 2 challege from the reboot, it's a shameless ripoff of DC.
am i the only one who doesn’t like damien? His character is so badly written. He had a win and the immunity idol in episode 6 and 7, but he did nothing for the episodes before and after. And he got further than more interesting characters like MK and bowie
Yeah damien is just awful, but so is every other characters in this shitty show. The writers don't know how to write at all, they have the intelligence of 4 year olds. It explains their jealousy for Disventure Camp, Reunion and Oskayi Island, all much better written shows.
@@DCRULES3934 exactly
@@DCRULES3934 oh shit you’re just doing a bit LMAO you got me dude
should do a video on how you would write season 3 of the reboot or at least a wishlist for season 3
@@Savage_kings_official_Yt That’d be tough, but doable.
It's hard to put into words, but I feel like this cast as a whole is missing something, even though I like almost all of the characters in it on an individual level (the exception is Caleb because I'm not sure what his character even is).
My favorite cast of characters is Revenge of the Island, and one of the reasons I like it so much is because I can easily envision all those characters being part of one big friend group if they weren't competing. This might just be my bias though, and not actually a reflection of the way they were written. People other than me might not even enjoy that aspect. Still, it's something I couldn't help but notice when thinking about this modern cast.
@@dumbstuff666 Generation one has that same feel, and the RR cast is also pretty close by the end of the show. Pahkitew and Reboot are the only super clique heavy generations where some characters never even interact with each other and others are just incredibly hateful. I don’t think anybody likes MK and Julia in the shows cast. That’s probably why it feels wonky.
I’m so sick of this cast 😭 it’s time to bring back old cast OR bring in an entirely new cast. Everytime I bring up the fact I dislike the new cast people HATEEE.
@@Leshawnaballoc mainly cause most reboot hardcore defenders are kids.
I want to see gen 2 and 3 again...