So I Wanna Talk About How It Took Me 300 Hours To Like FFXIV (and how you can too in far less time)
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2024
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0:00 - intro
2:30 - Part 1 - The Initial Struggle
11:53 - Part 2 - The Quests
22:18 - Part 3 - Setting the Right Mindset
30:11 - Part 4 - the Correct Way to Start
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A useful tip:
If you accidently skip a dialogue box (or the dialogue goes in one ear, out the other) OPEN THE CHAT and go to the "Event" tab (assuming it's the default settings) and you can see all the spoken dialogue from the NPCs. Saved my bacon a few times.
helps me TREMENDOUSLY on unvoiced cutscenes since you can fast forward and read it all on event
and in cutscenes you can double tap and it will open up the chat log
you can also re-hide the chat box by right clicking any of the tabs then hitting hide
**beware though, this click will advance the cutscene by one line**
and if you want to hide the cursor in a cutscene, just double tap escape to open and close the skip cutscene box
or enable then disable text auto advance (press space bar then the confirm keybind 2x)
or just press the confirm keybind (this also advances the conversation 1 line)
omg dude I've been playing until Shadowbringers without knowing that. Thank you SO much!
It took me forever to realize that was possible, thank you for sharing so others don't suffer my pain lol
"And now you know how to enjoy FFXIV. You're Welcome!"
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for talking about how boring the actual gameplay is within the MSQ. I felt like I was genuinely being gaslit by the community when I would complain and just flat out be told I was wrong for feeling that way.
Yeah for SURE felt that while going through shadowbringers. It was starting to piss me off lol. Like, I’ve slain gods, felled dragons, liberated countries and weakened an empire and I’m somehow still doing FETCH QUESTS!? I’m an international hero!! So why am I literally delivering SANDWICHES in some small msq quests or aetherite quests? 😂
I've been told how the story gets so much better after ARR. When I finally get there, 60 hours in the game, I discover the new realm and MSQ. Nice. Then I get out of the city after the initial introduction. Literally the first task I get is to speak to some random dudes in watch towers to give the reports back to the quest giver. My mental state broke instantly. I quit and uninstalled the game. I couldnt bear to keep doing those stupid quest one more second, because I was assured after ARR, its all but a sweet cake. Point A point B go back to A. Travel to C, speak to randoms, Go back to A...
Who in its right state of mind can tolerate this for dozens and dozens of hours ? A shame. Cause I got invested in the story. But GOD, the gameplay loop and progression is HORRIBLE. And the combat is not engaging one bit.
I've been thinking of going back to FFIV. But this experience paired with the fact I have to pay a month of subscription to even try the game again... Its like a MASSIVE warning for me. Anyway, the community is as toxic as it can get with anyone having critics toward the game. Imagine being so positive you become exactly what you despite. There's an utopia gone wrong kind of vibe in FF community.
@@mimmim13aiv Damn, and here I thought I was angry about it as just a scrub. I think the part where he talks about the mindset change is going to be key for me, and probably for you as well. It seems we have no choice but to either not play, play miserably (like idiots) or learn to accept that despite all of the greatness the plot itself thrusts upon you and praise it heaps, you're still always gonna be the world's most beloved part time errand boy/girl too. Like a former postal worker who can't escape his roots even upon somehow making it big as a multimillion dollar CEO somewhere but still insisting to do coffee runs and carry paperwork for his subordinates cause he just can't stop delivering shit and everyone knows it so they keep asking him to.
@@Taima I know this is a bit late but his advice about changing your mindset really helps, doing all this random bullshit does explain how people are so willing to help us halfway through or at the end of the msq, Haurchefant is a great example.
Anytime I felt like I was getting bored of the msq, I would switch into doing something else like levelling up other jobs or just doing other side quests.
I made my journey through the MSQ so much better by practicing my Voice acting. I would try and give any random NPC voices and it was pretty fun and also helped me pay attention to what was happening.
thats so smart... trying this (currently in HW post patch)
You'll enjoy it! I did a second playthrough with a friend and we took turns giving the NPC voices
That's SO CRINGE. literally grow up
@altaiir541 bro grow up Jesus
@@FNigslol he's just having fun with a friend man, literally no harm done, not even a cringey video to stain the internet with. also great voice actors are a key feature of modern gaming and series/movies, so weird thing to take issue with someone doing it for fun
you came in out of nowhere and accidentally outed yourself as being insecure, so i hope you get past whatever's bothering you because shittier people could give you a harder time for doing things like this
Dear Catboy,
As someone allergic to MMOs I really appreciate your take on this, Jo. I briefly tried FFXIV with some friends and the social aspect is what appealed to me but _everyone_ I know adores the narrative, at least to some extent. Still don't think the typical MMO combat/pacing/structure is for me but maybe one day I'll have to set aside a couple dozen hours and fall down an explainer rabbit hole. Also thanks for the lil' shoutout haha.
Yours, Bee Boy
I'm already excited about the How About This Game on that subject :P
Even by MMO standards, FF14 starts out INCREDIBLY slow-paced and, in my personal opinion, boring. There are absolutely MMOs with far more interesting combat systems.
'A Good Enough Summary of FFXIV' :D
Hey, not every game is for everyone, and as much as I'd enjoy the hell out of "A Good Enough Summary" for this game, if it's not your jam, don't jam it!
Love your work, Barry, keep rocking it out.
Aren't you sleeping
I have a friend who started FFXIV a few months ago and he always lets me know when he unlocks a dungeon or trial so that we can run it together as he feels more comfortable when doing group content with someone he knows. One time afterwards he thanked me for always getting on to run stuff with him and I said, "I'm going to let you in on a little secret: veteran FFXIV player *love* watching/listening to new players go through the MSQ because (in my experience) we want to be able to play through the story for the first time again and living vicariously through new players is the closest we can get." He said he felt used XD
6/2022 Update: He just reached Endwalker and got someone to cover his shift at work to play it all day XD
True, I want to get one of my friends into it further just to be there when they do stuff.
That's true and awww that's actually adorable. XD
so this is the reason why my friend always wants to be on voice when I play....bastard using me for his own pleasures :D
Also, we really enjoy watching them die to the stuff nobody sees coming the 1st time.
(In regards to the update)
Weaksauce.
I took a weeks vacation and no lifed it
This video is the main reason I now enjoy FFXIV. I had much of the same gripes at first but I also now enjoy the game immensely for much of the same reasons. Thank you for making this!
It's slow at first but starts to pick up pace after level 50.
Every one says this but here I am level 61 and it still feels as boring @@sammicoporsammicopor
I love the game, and the story, but the main story quests do kinda suck a lot of the time gameplay wise. Especially for me since I personally enjoy crafting gathering more than combat, but all my progress is level locked behind the MSQ. So I have to do it, I enjoy the story, but gameplay wise it's me having to take a break from what I wanna do right now to walk back and forth between NPCs for like 30 min, then maybe fight a mob or two, or do a dungeon. The boss fights I love though, not as a big a fan of the dungeons, but they're not bad either. I just get unlucky and always have to do them when I wanna be doing something else.
The MSQ is designed to be experienced one expansion at a time, which for veterans that's one big story every two years and some snippets in between. When starting fresh now at Endwalker and going 1-90, you experience it all back to back which is way too much. It's like having to binge watch 10 seasons of a show to catch up to the rest of us who have been watching since day one on a one episode per week basis. It will make you hate it.
Most players know that story experiences are few and far between and you spend a lot of time doing combat and duties. When grinding MSQ the first time, you will spend most of your time reading cutscenes and wishing you could slap SOMETHING with your sword! That's normal. It will get worse for new player with each expansion and I fear that we are already at a place where new players might hate the game due to how long the MSQ is and how little action there is during it.
there's one additional point that doesn't get taken into account, like ever. Squeenix simplified combat immensely when they released ShB or SB (I wasn't there can't say when).
That makes any content before 70 completely uninteresting, 1 button mashing from a rotation standpoint. Your toolkit is castrated, and you're forced to live like that until you brute force your way through ShB.
Currently going through right now, my scathing steam review of RR got me a comment to send me here. This early game is the worst MMO experience I've had in a very long time. I was level 52 for 2 days doing MSQ non-stop. Fuck. Heavensward = auto run for hours. The 'good part' is 'just around the corner' though xD
I disagree. I find that the msq is necessary for making your base class level up but after that it takes a while to level up any other added class as you arent getting the experience from the msq during arr. I enjoy every aspect of this game except for raids, those are not my favorite thing to do & even less so that they force you to do something like crystal tower in order to do more msq. I think the only raid I enjoyed so far is syrcus tower.
actually i like to wait for the show to end and binge watch 10 seasons. I hate waiting for the next season. I just started my ff14 journey 5 days ago and i already got 50h. I am vacation and sadly i broke an ankle, but this gives me so much time to play. Well i going through the msq like a torpedo.
Not wrong. I hate ARR and how long winded and cliched it was. Halfway through Heavensward and it's like 200% better
"Yes this is a real thing, this is happening now, I like this it just makes me happy." I could hear him blushing at the end and Jo. I have not giggled so hard EVER! You are adorable and I can't Wait to see more content.
BUT WHERE'S THE TAIL JOCAT!? WHERE'S THE DAMN TAIL!?
Jocat being happy about a thing made me happy 😊
And the little cat mouth smile after that, so adorable!
And if anyone has a problem with it, the community will TAKE THEM OUT cause they BE WRONG!!
Egg??
The part at the end "...I just like this, it makes me feel happy." That made me smile
I loved it so much
Every time I see a JoCat video it just shows how he truely is the most headpattable (Is that a word? Well now it is) youtuber there is.
He is like a cotton candy cloud, wrapped in chocolate. A walking cinamon roll of a character that you want to hug.
I need to punch a wall to feel manly again.
Just wanted to send some appreciation your way and especially say I'm happy I found your channel. In particular, I am so grateful that I found this video when I started FFXIV, because your enthusiasm for the game and honest sharing about the rock experience getting into it helped me embrace my time with the early parts. FFXIV's story is bringing me so much joy
Hearing the passion as he's talking about this game's story, and that he had the same type of gripes that I do for the MSQ has actually given me the drive to at the very least watch a story recap video, (the one i've got pulled up is almost 4 hours long so hopefully it's good enough to hook me) if not go back and do NG+. So, thank you Jo, for potentially causing me to sink even *more* hours into this game than I already have lmao
I hope you all enjoy this video as it has been a year in the making - not constant work mind you, more on-and-off over the time its been in production, but a long time coming regardless
I'm happy to have these thoughts that have been nagging at my mind for so long to finally be out there
it's a big loveletter to the game and my own closure to these complex feelings I've had about the game for so long
This video's already a joy and it's been like five minutes in for me. Thanks for making this, dude, your content's always guaranteed goodness.
I was showed this video by a friend who actually just got in to FF14! He tried before but this time around he's hooked.
Glad you're finnaly feeling comfortable as your true catboy form. Loved the video ❤
Thank you for the hard work
I really liked this video. I strongly related to a lot of your experience with this game.
After trying FFXIV several times over several years, I recently got hooked when I started treating the MSQ as an old school single-player RPG that just happens to have other people playing it too. That might sound kind of dumb, but it has made all the difference for me.
Instead of trying to rush through the main quest line and being mostly apathetic about it, now I’m actually engaged and interested. I’m no longer in a hurry to get to “the good part” because, like you said, it’s about the journey.
There is some pretty cool stuff along the way, if you’re open to it - and I agree that the Hildebrand quests are definitely some of the best stuff.
"It has handsome elf men"
Yeah... one of my friends simps for Aymeric, another simps for Estinien
And I'm just sitting here like: "I think Lucia would be an amazing partner, she loyal!"
She's technically *not* loyal, she's more an excellent judge of character. If she was loyal
obv spoilers ahead
She'd still be a Garlean Spy.
@@Avengedtenfold well she is loyal
She’s loyal to aymeric
She even says directly that she told him everything and he welcomed her regardless, and that she won’t hold herself responsible for or complacent to her sister’s choices
Imo loyalty to your true calling takes precedence over loyalty to your origin
Go team Aymeric!
slight spoiler
Lucia is my favorite Garlean.
Nero and Cid share second place, partially because the idea of them sharing -anything- is hilarious to my mind.
Aymeric is best elf though, no question.
As for Estinian, ever since he and Ysayle met face to face I thought "they'd make a great couple".
Now I'm a straight white male, and I'm not sexually attracted to any of the hot elf men personally.
But FFXIV is a very immersive game, and I play a young-adult elf bachelorette. And anyone who gets between me and a loving marriage with Aymeric will not survive to regret it.
I've been primed to try this game out thanks to you. Now that I'm actually playing it, I'm having an absolute blast. I think that, having watched the video in the past has massively influenced me to actually enjoy the early game. I'm sitting at level 35 right now and its a lot of fun to just do stuff at my own pace. And yes, I level up every crafting and gathering job that is not fisher while also just doing my dragoon/archer stuff on the side.
I've started the game alongside friends. They are not enjoying their time with the story at all, to the point where I'm like: Where have I heard this before?
TLDR; forwarded this video to them and I'ma gonna re listen to this as well again now. Thanks for this one chief.
I gotta appreciate that Jocat gives attribution for everything. Thanks for all the work you do dude.
The "older players love watching newbies go through the story" thing is very, VERY true with me. I've been actively seeking out newbies to watch on Twitch (whether they be the higher profile guys like Preach and Pyromancer and Nobbel or smaller streamers like Giltspire who streams it every Wednesday evening), and reaction videos on CZcams purely because I've enjoyed seeing other people experience the story. I still enjoy the game and have a BUTTLOAD of things to do (especially since I'm juggling two characters on two DC's) but that has been a fun thing to do on the side while I play.
I quest alone - I recently established as solo-person FC - and when I see another sprouts in area and they're fighting mobs, I'll standby and I'll chip in the fight if they're struggling. Or doing FATE with them even if I have to level-sync down. It's very satisfying, and at the end of that, with customary /bow and what-not.
This is me 100%
Too true. Honestly, one of my favorite things to see people react to the first time is The Burn (Savage) in Stormblood. You know the one I'm talking about.
@@KelvinYong77 I do that at times as well simply because of that one person who stayed with me really early in the game when I was leveling the healer since they allowed me to hit the enemy once before one shotting it. It was a boring experience but I was quite happy due to the nice gesture.
its the closest thing to experiencing the best moments of the story for the first time again.
Oh, right. I was coming into this game as someone entirely new to MMOs (basically didn't even know what they _were,_ and so certainly didn't have any genre biases going in), and as someone who liked/likes reading and was (and still is) very much into slow buildup-to-payoff arcs and extensive worldbuilding, no wonder I took to it so readily.
I had the exact same experience! I'd played a bunch of other FF games and loved them, but never braved an MMO before - and my god, am I glad I did
I wasn't exactly NEW to MMOs, but it was the first time I'd ever payed for one. My sister-in-law INSISTED I'd love it and, unfortunately, I dragged my heels on joining for a few years. It was only when she went and bought me ARR (and then proceeded to buy HW and StB for me while I was still in my first week of ARR) that I actually played. It was a case of, "...well, I have this game, and a month's sub, so I should probably play it..." and I did. And I loved it. I'm an avid reader and slow build-up/pay-off is INTERESTING to me. I love how everything, EVERYTHING wound up mattering in the end.
I love reading the text so much I check on NPCs that aren't the main quest goal just for more flavor. Sometimes they be like "uh what're you talking to me for?"
As a big One Piece Fan, FFXIV just kinda sucked me in immediately
My primary form of entertainment is novels and I was skipping 90% of the text and nothing in the game could grasp my attention at all. Almost every character really rubbed me the wrong way. Then one day I was bored and changed the language to Japanese, I wanted to see if there was any nuance being lost in translation. And what do you know, the characters are *completely* different.
I'm not sure who is in charge of the localisation but jesus christ they did a bang up job of it. Made near bloody everyone a walking poster for angst, conceit and passive aggressive twatism for seemingly no reason at all. Have not skipped a single line since swapping over, it's a whole different cast with so many little things. There's still a bunch of Japanese tropes I could have done without but at least they are what they are and aren't being painted over with the rooster strutting that was the entire English localisation
I'm sending this video to every FFXIV friend I have, old, or new, as well as anyone who has ever expressed interest that hasn't jumped in yet. This is the most honest expression of finding joy in this game I could imagine. This is almost verbatim how I've tried to articulate how I came to love the game to people, but in a far more digestible format than my in-person gesticulations.
I love your long form videos, just your dedication and fascination and the way you take the time to articulate what you want to say about them, just makes me very happy :)
Also think your voice is just a gem
Jo knows how I feel about FF14. I had many of the same gripes. And since I started playing again this year I wanted to come at it with a better head and with Jo's help, I have been doing a lot better. And I am glad you made this video Jo, as I know you have been working on it for a long time. Thank you for sparking some love for it again.
I cannot agree more with the 'paying attention' part. Literally they'll pull out a detail that'll just make you jump out of your seat once you recognize it and it's such a rewarding feeling.
This MSQ is definitely worth all the the slow burn for me. Once you have the correct mindset playing it's well worth it. Of course just like Jo said, you can play this game in a multitude of ways, this game stands out so well on it's own with the MSQ or the gameplay alone.
Someone show Quinn this video.
Don't show Quinn this video, you need a longer attention span even for this.
This video is longer than Quinn actually played the game.
"I cannot agree more" not anynmore. That would mean you disagree. But I do agree that it is a neat thing they do.
@@delphidelion thank you English teacher I will fix
do you have any great examples of the story pulling out a detail in such a way that made you jump out of your seat? My problem with the MSQ is that having spent the last 6 months doing very little else (currently at patch 5.4) I can't tell if I've mentally checked out because of burn out or because it stopped hooking me. My excitement peaked at Heavensward and didn't return to HW levels until the 5.0 and 5.3 climaxes.
JoCat I want to thank you for giving my wife and I the encouragement to push through and give this game a second chance and we both are absolutely hooked. Still on the free trial, but we're gonna try to do everything we can in it before committing money to it
Hope you two still enjoy it together.
Don't worry you'll experience the burnout soon enough. Game gets stale real fast once you caught up.
Really glad you made this - thank you for your effort JoCat 🙏
I started to feel a bit similar, questioning the game design/MSQ, wondering why it's so slow and arduous - this new perspective is very helpful!
ARR had me burned out like 3 times before i pushed through. Stormblood too repelled me once or twice.
Sometimes, Eorzea tests your patience.
I quit once on ARR and once in Stormblood. I feel you bud
It took me until the middle of Stormblood to get me to enjoy playing through the story quests
Boy does it. Heck I'm only in the free trial(I started playing for real after the free trial got extended to include all of Heavensward)but I quit and started fresh cause my reason was real life related and a(metaphorical) seed of doubt got planted in my mindset but thanks to my friends I deleted my character in Diablos cause it reminded me of what happened irl and started fresh in Faerie where they all were and I actually felt motivated to play it again and I'm gonna be looking into getting a subscription later on when I'm able.
Same here. I’m on my FOURTH attempt at trying to complete Arr. It’s not going well
@@FightOstinFight I admire your persistence, but honestly, if you're just not feeling the story and/or combat, that's totally ok. I love this game with my whole heart, it's my favorite of all time, but I will readily admit that the beginning is rough. I hate when people say, "It gets good once you get to 2.4/2.5, then way better in Heavensward!" Not a good way to sell the game or keep struggling newer players interested. At least you can say that you gave it a shot! Don't make yourself miserable; move on to other games.
I will say: the bit about "take your time with the msq" is so very important. I have been playing the game for roughly 6 months now, and I'm still in the post-patch content for stormblood. I have often taken week or even month-long breaks from doing any msq content. Enjoy it at your own pace, it will make things so much better. This game is a marathon, not a sprint.
Me 2 years in only post patch Stormblood too lmao there's so much fun to be had in 14
I finished Shadowbringer only a couple weeks after Endwalker released but have ignored the new expansion in favour of lvling professions and checking out old raids. The Ruby Weapon quest (extreme trial series ShB) and onward story must be some of the best I've played in the game so far.
Any game that requires that many hours to 'enjoy' it is a poorly made game. The writing of FF14 is atrocious.
@@VictoriousLoL any games that make you enjoy the game for so long must be made right.
@@k.vn.k Except the entire video is talking about how it took JoCat 300 hours to enjoy FF14. That isn't made right. Hell, if I don't enjoy a game in the first 3 hours, I refund it or stop playing it, because if something can't grab me in the same time it takes me to watch a movie, it's doing something wrong.
The most common question I’ve found myself asking more experienced players during the MSQ is “so when’s the next dungeon?” and I think you explained why that is very well
It’s called immaturity. One day if you’re lucky, you’ll learn to stop and smell the roses. To enjoy a game in full, and appreciate all of the work and care that goes into the minor details in between the larger set pieces. Stay in school
@@austins.2495 Or maybe people prefer different things. Sometimes I don't want a visual novel and I just want to play and do something challenging.
@@austins.2495 Or maybe I've stopped to smell the roses 200 times already and I just want to actually play the game? I get its a story driven MMO and there's 10 years + of content to catch up on. I totally get it. But at the end of the day, I did buy a game. The percentage of gameplay to story is way off to be enjoyable. I can't even play with friends until I hit a dungeon because even though we're sitting in a discord call, everyones quiet focusing on the story until they actually have a quest that requires you to play the game. For every 2 hours of story, there's about 30 minutes of actual gameplay. That's a terrible mix and the reason why a lot of new players burnout.
@@austins.2495 or maybe I want to play a massive multiplayer online game
@@gamewarrior9107 buddy that’s just a genre..
your videos are amazing honestly, you leave a positive impact on the internet and that’s a neat thing to do
It was so fun watching your love for the game grow over time and see you reach the end. I love this style of video btw. I have been missing them!
The jocat video essays are underrated gems. Several times I have gone back to watch his one on klanoa 2 just because it a fun watch.
This just goes to show that, when you recommend the game, you don't have to tell the person anything about the game being good at X amount of hours or when you reach a certain point. All you have to do, is let the person know that the game is STORY heavy, and have REALLY BIG EMPHASIS in story so paying attention to it is crucial. It's an RPG first (JRPG to be exact), MMO second. If its it doesn't tickle their kinks after trying it out, they can put down the game and try other ones as the game won't go away anytime soon.
I had a friend who was into FPS and MOBAs and has no care about the lore in the games he played because he's just not interested in it. He never played JRPGs or Western RPGs. He was my room mate, he saw me play this game from hours to end (I have 700+ days total playtime, YES I WAS THIS ADDICTED TO THE GAME) and he was curious as to why I was having so much fun in the game while he doesn't find the same amount of fun anymore in MOBAs and FPS games. He tried the game with me and he was starting to burn out around the post ARR patch that involves the Sahagin before the big fight and the last straw were the Sylphs *(I still remember the questlines that were removed involving these beast tribes because I played them and they are really tedious so I understand why it was removed even though it provides more lore context why we need to do what we need to do or why the thing happened)*. I never pushed him to slog thru and just told him to take it easy, slow or put the game down if he starts getting frustrated. Part of it is him trying to understand why the game is so fun to me, and similar to you, he feels like he is missing out. So he took a 4 month break, went back to the old games he played and then one day he asked me if I can play with him, this time I said, "Ok, if were gonna do this, then let's go all the way. I'll create an alt and I'll start over and catch up to you" To which he replied, "No, I'll delete my character, it didn't have anything special in it anyway and we'll start together."
Then I started to tell him to take the game slow, read the main quests because me and the game is not going anywhere. Needless to say, he followed my advise. 2 years later, he is now a Triple Legend (which is something I didn't accomplish since I am not a hardcore raider but an omnicrafter) and fell so in love with the game that he keeps recommending it to some of his friends whenever he is asked of games he would want to recommend and is excited play with them so that he can see their reactions to certain points of the quests. He was even the one that started to convince me to get into Savage Raids because he was having so much fun. Played Endwalker together and he kept messaging me that this game is something he really treasures and thanked my patience to go thru the entire game again with him even though I already have a max level character way back in Heavensward.
Also, additional note after getting hooked in this game, whenever he wants to take a break from the game, he tries out any RPG he can find, even the RPGs in the PS1 and SNES era, as he fell down the rabbit hole that is RPGs. He loves Witcher, Legend of Zelda and FFIV (to him it was the best FF game next to FFXIV) because it resonated with him having a brother that felt distant, yet always there when he needed him most. So whenever the topic of him being an RPG nut, from being an FPS and MOBA fiend, I always get the blame. KEKW
P.S. English is my second language so I hope I did not misspoke. LUL
Your english is flawless. I had no idea it wasn't your first language until you said so.
I watched this when it first came out and agreed with most of what you said. I started when ARR launched, and skipped a lot of the story, manually, until about lvl 48. By then, I knew something was going on, but wasn't invested enough to care. When I started to sit down and read the words on my screen, I started to really like what I was reading. I had already started crafting, and gathering, so I had other distractions.
Now, years later, I am showing my child this game, and my wife and I are trying to help, so I sent her this video, and asked her to watch it. It really helps on the "slog". Thanks JoCat, I love your videos, and your ability to articulate your thoughts is showing in this video.
31:58 i feel like that's actually one of the biggest issues in the game that you touched upon earlier. So much of the game is effectively single player other than dungeons and trials. I really wish more of the game was co-op, such as being able to go into instanced story battles together, duty support dungeons together so you can take your time to read lore stuff, being able to team up to finish quests together. Etc etc. Like you said a lot of it will be your friend having to do the quests alone while you wait on the sideline until they reach the next dungeon or trial, then rinse and repeat.
I know it's a old video but I thought to give it a watch because my partner quit on one of those post ARR errand quests where Minfilia mentions that they are wasting your time with errands in the text box. Made them think "I really am wasting my time aren't I?" And quit. Trying to get them to get back for the free login event and got the reply "Nice try squenix, you can't trick me into wasting more time on pointless errand quests tho" which really sucks.
Playing through ARR again recently I realized the MSQ is like a skeleton of just the basic plot. I found a ton of cool stuff by talking to the optional NPC's in the Waking Sands between quests. Things you wouldn't ever expect like an origin story for Arenvald's silver armor lol. Those have been filling out the story and making it feel much less like a saturday morning cartoon where the primal of the week gets slain by the one person immune to them.
The minifilia joke about not being a character was hilarious. Personally, I was totally desensitized to doing time wasting quests, so I had no issue with the slow burn of the MSQ, but I definitely understand whenever one of my friends plays and they complain bitterly about all the parts of the MSQ that waste time.
Amazing video I appreciate how much time and thought you put into it. I play this with my husband and we enjoy going through the story together! There are things you said here that I didn't realize were hurdles to me but I appreciate your swing on the perspective on some of the fetch quests. Getting into the RP part of RPG has always been a struggle for me personally but I find it easier to just let go of expectations and just try to experience from perspective of my character. I have never felt connected to my character but I think it's more of being in the wrong mindset. Thank you!
Been in and out for a few years now with some friends. This is really helpful. looking forward to a new outlook. Thanks Jocat.
"This is happening, it makes me happy" That is a bloody mood!
I squeed irl and my heart danced. I, one day, hope to see jocat at a panel with their hair styled into ears with the ribbon. Just. Perfect.
He's a good noodle and should be happy
My main annoyance was that people with linkpearls still needed you to go to them and talk to them in person only to send you away again. Or instead of using their linkpearl to talk to another person with a linkpearl they send you...
But then how will I know if this is Thancred? 🙃
They explain that, linkpearls can be intercepted, so the important secret stuff need to be said in person. Heck, your linkpearl is hacked during Praetorium so that red power ranger can have a discussion with his former crush!
That's why they use the linkpearl mostly to tell you to go to HQ so that they can relay to you information.
While I agree for some of it, magical wire taps exist.
@@NibelungJ Still feels like a retroactive justfication for a real problem with their game design. Like not putting a teleporter crystal in Vesper Bay.
@@Healermain15 It's not retroactive, as I said, your linkpearl DO get hacked at some point in the 2.0 MSQ, justifying the need of communicate sensitive things in person.
I'm think I'm getting there with the loving it mind-set! But it is great to know I wasn't alone in this feeling and seeing someone else have a similar experience. Great video ♥
Thank you so much for including song titles in the video as they come up!
This kills me because this is basically how I felt about the Secret World, but that's kinda long dead at this point. Guess I'll give FF14 a try.
Same Secret world was a Game I wanted to Love. I bought the original day 1 way back when it first came out cause the concept sounded awesome. But the gameplay was so bad, I couldn't get past Area 2 cause even with all the 'Top Gear' I could get from the raid, bosses, and quests, the enemies were just too powerful and took too long to beat. And Area 3, was the same. Never made it to Area 4, ever, in all my years of player. And by 'Area', I do mean 'AREA', not as in, the 4th arch or 4th chapter, I mean in the very beginning area at the start of the game, going to the 'Exist' to the next zone on the same island. I only ever made it to Zone 4 Max, out of playing the game on and off over the years.
Which is sad, cause I WANT to experience the game and the Lore and quests. But holy shit the Combat and 'MMO Mechanics' is too fucking hard to enjoy. It's like trying to Solo a Raid in Wow, but it's just the the basic 'normal map' and not even the raid yet.
i left Warframe for FFXIV, I heavily recommend it, don't rush your enjoyment of it. They are allowing people to make accounts again.
That's actually a really great comparison (and sad that it's so apt, too). The Secret World had SUCH a great story, but even reincarnated as Secret World Legends, you had to fight against the MMO mechanics to get to the juicy story nuggets. And sometimes, that fight was just too much. 🙁
I hope you have better fortunes in FFXIV!
Can I just say that I LOVE how heartily you recommended Hildibrand content without giving potential players even the smallest hint about what they're getting in for. I mean that sincerely, I think it's brilliant. I think you can enjoy it TONS knowing what it is, but oh god, going in blind? You are just NOT expecting the game to take that kind of turn.
Great video! Even as someone who already loves it, and didn't have the same problems. I'll definitely recommend this video to people trying to get into the game if they have these issues.
I didn't enjoy the Hildibrand stuff personally, but like all things, it's hit or miss.
I personally haven’t always liked the Hildi quests but it’s been so exciting to watch so many streamers get hooked for good on 14 by doing those quests. They are truly unique and so very very absurd!
Well this just makes me even more curious and confused about hildibrand
@@FFKonoko Hildi does that to a lot of people.
I love Hildi, and want him in the Endwalker stuff. I missed him in Shadowbringers.
Really awesone video :)
As someone from 1.0, it's actually amazing how big and beloved this game become.
It's really a blast seeing ppl enjoy it for the first time.
Let's all have a blast
Hey Jocat, I just want to say that this enthusiasm for the series has been wonderful to the community as a whole, I have seen so many people saying that they tried it because of your guide and that they are glad this video exists because it braced them for what was coming.
Also you finally got me into healing and I am honestly thankful for that, so glad to have you back and honestly, kinda wish one day I run into you just so I can drop dead in front of the internet's favourite Cat.
I was invested since ARR. Helped me through quarantine at thr start of pandemic. Did take a break at lqte heavensward since most of my friends were also taking a break and resumed last year.
Ff14 helped me through depression actually and it is one on the top games for me.
This is literally exactly what happened to me. Started out loving the crafting and other progression, but started getting really bogged down trying to get through MSQ to unlock things. Near the end of ARR I just kinda gave up and stopped playing. Halfway through watching this video I started the game up again and I'm gonna try to follow the advice here... hopefully it works, because I really think I could love this game and its community if I could just get into the groove. So ... I think I gotta go practice my imperial salute or something? Wish me luck.
Hey, so if you do end up loving it and have the time/ever want to respond to a comment, lemme know if you enjoy it, I’d like to know. 🙂
Good luck! I think you will love it! Just... embrace that it takes a while, and may you ever walk in the light of the Crystal.
As someone who has tried to play ffxiv since it first came out on PS3 , December just gone me and a mate said "screw it we will commit till we enjoy it". ARR does suck but it sets up so much, just finishing heavensward it's not a game changer but all the other things you can do outside the msq while making your way through it is a blast. By time I got my character to level 50 , which I had done while I still had like 30 quests left in ARR I was hooked. Give it time, really commit if you can and you'll eventually see why it's so recommended
Forge ahead.
Totally with you. The MSQ made me quit. I simply couldn't bear being forced to watch Mary Sues talk to each other while *my* character nodded and nodded and nodded and agreed to do stuff I didn't want to do.
I've read through about 8,000 books, and I gotta say Mr. JoCat. Listening to you and your associate Mr. JoCrap are tied with my Instrumental Playlist that took 2 years to perfect. Your voice is great for someone like me who is an avid DEVOURER of medias and information as it gives me a soft grounding element to keep me on focus, and also lightly entertained.
I found that especially in my studies when music won't suffice your videos are most excellent at allowing me to return to focus. I think the work you do is quite brilliant, and I'd like to thank you for helping me these past few years with your mirthful and humorous videos. Cheers for the chin wag bromigo.
TLDR: nice dude with a nice voice helps me devour more info and lovely, lovely lore.
Mans really just said "the real content is the friends we made along the way" lmao
This video explains EXACTLY how I feel about the game. I love everything about the game, EXCEPT the MSQ fetch quests. I think I need to try and look at it at a different angle… One of my biggest gripes with games like this (not limited to MMOs) is watching my friends with a whoooole lot more free time than I do learn, grow and accomplish a lot of things. Leads to the friends essentially carrying me through the game and eliminating the challenge to a lot of raids. That said, I think I might just get back into the groove and I have you to thank JoCat.
Thank you :3
could always set it to min ilvl no echo and suddenly the challenge is back
The fetch quests are a pain and made me really miss the feature in City of Heroes where you could simply call the quest giver to hand in a quest and get a new one without having to traipse back (which wasn't as bad of an experience anyway as you could just fly or super jump or super speed back).
I feel like a weird outlier for the fact that I was almost immediately invested in the story and the lore of the world right from the get-go in ARR, which started with my character actually FEELING like a character in the story instead of just an empty avatar and having a race that appealed to me on a spiritual level (Au Ra) helped with that further.
I wanted to know more about mysterious folk like Hydaelyn and the Ascians and about locales that were mentioned off-hand like Ala Mhigo, Othard and Thavnair and it was just little teases like that kept me motivated to keep pushing forward. I'd constantly speculate about what was coming next in the story, and more often then not there were enough clues strewn about that I was able to make fairly accurate guesses, even for some of the more...outlandish twists like those introduced in ShB and EW.
I agree that most of the actual quests in the MSQ are pretty dull gameplaywise, but the little bits of world building scattered about even in the random sidequests managed to hold my attention all the way through.
aye, I always enjoyed the low level, humbling experience of classic wow and so ARR hooked me from the jump (although I totally agree with Jo way more of its MSQ should be moved into side quests)
Yeah, I think the persistent comments of "getting to the good parts" was a bit of a flag. I get that it's like being told you have to finish reading this book to get a prize but the book itself is what most people love. Missing the forest for the trees big time.
I'd like to understand how a Yes-Man can be considered a "character".
@@clemenscohn7371 The DRK job quest line is for you then. It's definitely there for those who don't match the intended "Goku" like character which the story is mostly written for; those who simply strive for adventure for adventures' sake. The expanded dialog options given in later expansions also helps give some breathing room as well.
@@DrunkCat1337 Dialog options? Do you mean as in option options like a CRPG or as in "yes, but actually no" like in Persona 5?
A non-reactive character that just stands there like a corpse like in almost all calssic MMOs is way more of a character than a character that reacts outside of your control and is mute. Code Vein gave me an aneurism for that exact reason.
I _really_ want to like FF14, but the game actively tries to push me away from it at every opportunity. Last time I logged on I was close to Heavensward, at lvl 58, Ninja.
great tips, been playing a few days and noticed I'd been struggling to get immersed and skimmed a lot of dialogue, but your tips have helped me slow down, focus on one quest at a time and get immersed in both the story and the world :)
I started this journey in April with encouragement of a friend. Last night we just finished the 5.3 patch and to say there was tears and every other emotion is an understatement. I have fallen in love with this game. Plus your crap guides are some of the funniest xiv content on the CZcams. Thank you for sharing your story.
At the end there and with my... Sort of passing into "veterancy"... I can 100% agree with the "Veterans love watching new players experience the story" because all the reactions of friends who've started playing are priceless through all the ups and downs of the story in the game.
And, well, listening to their reaction when they find the Hildibrand questline is just flawless every time.
Some people are so focused on the “MMO” part that they forget the “RPG” part of the full genra name. Nothing wrong with that, but it is something to consiter.
genre* and consider* stay in school kid, you’ll get there.
I've had to come to terms with 14 in seeing it mainly as a single player RPG with some multiplayer elements.
@@austins.2495 You're the idiot. Not everyone has English as their first language.
@@austins.2495 Man you're a stain.
From 12:09 to 12:15, I love the adorable art of Jocat being romanced by MSQ-Chan and introducing him to her friends!
The Heavensward girl reminds me of Ysale.
Damn it, now I'm sad.
This is still one of my all time favourite FFXIV videos to revisit every couple of months just to go through the butterflies of finding and falling for this game all over again
Lol same, sometimes during my hour lunches at work 🤣
Conversely, I fell in love with FF14 almost instantly, and feel immense disappointment in the fact I can't afford a subscription.
But maybe there's something in this video that can help me enjoy FF14 even more than I already do, so we'll see what I think after I watch the video.
Edit: I might play FF14 again, despite not being able to progress anymore.
I feel this so hard. Being poor sucks
Man I feel this except I can't play it in general cuz I don't have anything to play it on what I would give in order to finally play this game
This is absolutely an excuse to try out more of what the game has to offer, even in the free trial.
I have some friends who embarked on the craft/gather everything themselves route, who we brought along to do the high end trials/raids of ARR with, heck even one who became a collect-aholic when he realized his old obsession: FF8's card game Triple Triad, was basically all here too.
Caveat being that it helps to have some friends one linkshell call away, but there's still plenty of other optional non-MSQ content to mess around with.
@@AxiamWolfe
I have milked the free trial already, and it is bone dry.
Time to work a bit, its definitely worth it.
Also you are not forced to sub every single month, i personally unsub everytime i play
I have really been considering getting into this game lately, actually after I watched a supercut vod you uploaded. This has pushed me more into the mood of getting it, thank you. Now I just need some people to play with.
I play this game p much loner and I can tell you that you don't need friends for this game. I bet it makes it better for some peeps but it's not needed to enjoy the game. I've managed to even get the HW extreme mounts aka the firebird mount p much without adding anyone to my friendslist
If you are someone like me who almost exclusively played single player games, you can progress through the game just fine by yourself. You can even do what I did and find a (safe) streamer fc and use them as a resource for progressing though the game (fc buffs are amazing, and even basic food will give you a 3% xp buff)
I went into it as a loner. I experienced the main story quests alone. And I really liked it that way. But one day I was invited into a random free company (guild), and for some reason decided to accept even though social gaming wasn't for me. Now it's been a few years, we've had our highs and lows, and we still play together, not only Final Fantasy, but pretty much anything we feel like trying out. I'm now part of a decently sized community that feels like a family, even though I went into FFXIV with the sole intention of playing an MMORPG by myself. So don't wait for people to play with. Go out there, get a feeling for the game, and if you enjoy it, maybe find a small community of your own. =)
People are also really friendly, you may find you make yourself friends through the silliest things, and it's lovely!
I started FFXIV because of this video, and having just completed ARR I can see a lot of the points made. Yes parts of it are rough, but you weren’t kidding about the story being worth it in the end. Thanks for making this video!
there's so much effort put in this video, love it!
36:55 I feel like this is one of the most important things, taking your time with the MSQ. It's designed to be a slow burn, and it's worth keeping in mind that all this content has been released over the span of a decade. Sometimes the MSQ's momentum is high, sometimes it's low, and that's a very deliberate thing. Don't binge for sake of getting to something later, play at whatever pace feels natural, taking things at the pace that feels right in the moment. There's no shortage of non-MSQ things to do when the momentum of MSQ is at a low point, and in many ways the game actually expects you to take these breaks from the MSQ, as part of how it loosely establishes gaps in time in an immersive fashion.
Thats the important take away. At the same time there's so much motivation from the playerbase, and the game itself that incentivises progressing to "the better parts of the game", meaningful story pay offs, and in game rewards.
Well this slow burn is the be all end all of slow burns. It’s really really really fucking slow
Msq is a huge, obligatory waste of time and I absolutely despise it. The curse of playing the game now that everything's out is that you either have to play for 2 years to unlock all the content gated behind msq or straight out pay for it. The only way I'd be ok with it is if I can "trigger" the dialogue and go about my business as an addon reads it to me & cutscenes playing in the corner of my screen. It is not a slow burn, it is a video of a fireplace playing on loop.
@@aliceblack3533 i think thats sort of a you problem? Because thats how the game is? Theres a very heavy emphasis on story in ffxiv. And if it isnt drawin ya in then i suggest hoping ship to another mmo. Cos this game really just aint for you if you really dont like the msqs and i say this in the nicest way possible. Because the reason it burns so slow is because you cant just expect your character to be legendary warrior of light right of the bat.
@@aliceblack3533 it’s a video of a fireplace where people talk about stuff and your “character” nods occasionally and then runs off to do whatever it is that they said to do.
This is art. I've been searching for a game to suck up my free time *and depression* and this convinced me to try FF14. This is a great primer for what the game is about and how it's not wrong to dislike parts.
Ah man this game will be perfect for you
FF14 healed or relieved a lot of people's depression. Just try to read as much as you can. There is not much fun combat in the first 60 levels. But the story, and Gold Saucer can eat up all your personal time lol.
This is my first time ever playing an MMO and I feel exactly the same way you do right now. I’ve been finding myself focusing on other things like the hunting log, fates, dungeons with my FC, and promotions within my grand company because I find them more interesting than the MSQ. I think some people just perceive and think about things differently tbh.
I don't know what to say, this video is incredible, made me sad at first, then happy, with tears of joy filling my eyes.
Thank you so much for doing this! ♥
I'm sending it to my boyfriend who is a bit like you were in your early days on the game, and I have my fingers crossed that it will be helpful to him too!
I'm a newbie too and I'd love to possibly play with you all!
I was in a similar seat, thought I was lucky enough to have friends pushing me about.
But I remember the exact moment I fell in love, I was gonna do the Shiva trial for the first time ever and thought the music was very pretty... Then everyone got frozen and it got all quiet, the finger snap happened and suddenly the punk rock ballad starts playing and I get goose bumps all over my skin. That was when I truly realised why my friends love this game so much.
I'm not suprised that it was a song that finally really got me into the game, whenever I get interested in something it's usually related to some music I heard from said thing.
I'm a reader by nature and I devoured every last bit of XIV's story and even the quests. Yes, even the subquests. Some of those tell very interesting little stories or add just a bit more character to the zone or give a bit of trivia that you would have never known otherwise. To have it ALL come back and be important in Endwalker was just mindblowing.
I am like this too. I talk to npcs when they are gathered, even if they didn't have a quest to give, I would legit want to know more about the world and its people, and I always appreaciated what they shared, speciallly my fav npcs.
Thank you for the video, I kinda needed this in order to actually do what I know I should and slow down.
That was a very interesting and enjoyable watch! While I didn't experience a lot of stuff you went over about the MSQ, I did feel some burn out with it at points despite how much I was enjoying the story, its definitely not something you can binge easily even if you do enjoy it a lot. I have found myself struggling to get into the game though but for a completely different reason that I hope I can find a solution to soon, especially since I do love the game very much and see how good it can get, its just getting past this problem that is proving to be tough.
Which that problem is not being able to confidently do anything in the game. Whether its just daily roulettes, trying to learn extremes or savage fights, finding a static, or just talking to people, I always find myself very hesitant or scared to do it, no matter how much I do want to do it. And its only really with FF that I have been experiencing this, I used to play WoW before FF, and while I experienced this problem a bit there, it was never this bad. I know FF's community is very forgiving to people, especially people new to a situation, but I still find myself extremely hesitant to do stuff, I have to push myself to even just do daily roulettes.
I know no one will probably never see this, but if by any chance someone does and has experienced this same problem or something similar and has found a solution to it or you think you might know a solution, I'd greatly appreciate any insight anyone might have.
I just got to the gator family. And when i read that my cmpanions where equaly annoyd as me i really had to chuckel thinking about the laundry that would await.
I was actually kinda worried you werent joking that much. Turned out to be a rather nice quest actually.
another thing they do sometimes that I really like, is a questgiver will give you a list of like, 3 chores that they want you to do, but then the characters with you will actually split up and do two of them so you only have to do one.
What is it a reference to anyway, I assume something regarding Ill Meg.
@@millis6054I forgor....
No joke, i no longer know.
That ending made me smile so much 💖 that blushing fun is exactly how I felt when I used my free fantasia to change from hyur to fem-roe. Love that you embrace it you wonderful cat-boy!
And I'm so glad you loved the Hildebrand quests. They seem to be very love/hate but I enjoyed them very much too.
Honestly, this was incredible content and genuinely explained my experience down to the last detail. I'm currently almost done with ARR on an alt I chose to make for fun, and the experience is totally different - not only because of ARR updates (the duty support system is AMAZING as a DPS main), but also because I'm noticing things I never noticed or flat out ignored before.
I mean, I've put well over 3,000+ hours into this game. Shadowbringers REALLY lit a fire under me when it came out, too. I'm at a point where I really want to appreciate every detail. This is all amazing advice and insight and you 100% earned yourself a sub and like from someone who has never seen your content before.
Just wanted to thank you for this video, ever since I started paying more attention to the story my enjoyment of FF14 has skyrocketed.
For me I was skipping most dialogue and cutscenes until I got to Coerthas around lvl 35-40 IIRC. One of the characters mentioned a dragon sex cult and I was like... wait... I should pay attention now. That story about the heretics and the Inquisition hooked me good. I still hated most of the post 2.0 patch quests, but I diligently read through them all anyway, and when it came time for Heavensward, my understanding of the characters and the stakes made everything that much better. I agree that the quests themselves still aren't great, but the characters and the payoffs make it all worthwhile. Oh and the Extreme trials are a ton of fun and made me realize that progression raiding with randoms was a thing in this MMO, unlike some others.
Looking back on this, it's so sad that we won't be getting anymore wholesome content like this from him. Thanks internet. >:/
I agree. I love this guy. It's bullshit what happened.
What happened?
When this video first went live, and I watched it, it finally helped me realize I really wanted to go from FFXI to XIV. That's right. It's been over a year since I was brought over because of your in depth look into the game. And ngl. I still appreciate that. So much so that I'm rewatching it, again. It's brought me into a new experience that's been hard to top in other games, both the highs and lows, and let me appreciate the experience more.
I really appreciate what Jocat said starting at 14:04. I am one of those people who thought the story was great all the way through, But I have gotten hostility online when I say that I like ARR. It's fine to not like ARR, but don't get angry at people who do
20:11 Exactly right. I started out ARR role playing my character. This might actually explain why I loved ARR so much I wasn't there to get through the story ASAP. I was there to be my character
I feel you I'm one that likes SB over all the expansions even EW.
Yeah I'm not past Heavensward yet and I'll admit the writing is much tighter but like...ARR had so much to establish? It drags a bit at points, but they spend a lot of time establishing the world, the stakes, and the characters. I really do like ARR and its a shame people consider so awful, it just had a different job to do is all.
37:49- My brother-in-law had me skip the cutscene before the vault dungeon in heavensward, and I would say whole-heartedly I missed out on something extremely important.
I really respect the amount of time and effort that must have gone in to making this video.
It's been a long time since I've actually sat through an entire video of this length that talks about games.
I'm gonna give it a go mate, fingers crossed! Peace out.
What an engaging video, good job!
I'm at level 58 in the MSQ and I've been playing for around 4 months. I loved the story even the boring fetch quests, so I am definitely in the latter category.
After ARR I had to take a month break, before I even thought about touching the MSQ again. During this time, I still played, there was a lot of other content I enjoyed!
Everyone told me to take my time playing and I'm so glad I listened.
There is sooo much to do other than the MSQ, so I wouldnt recommend playing this game to just get to end game as fast as you can. The game is well designed that your friends in endgame can still play with you, and do dungeons with you.
Thanks Jocat. A few of my friends recently got REALLY invested into FFXIV so I decided to join them, but ultimately ran into the same issues as you with ARR. I made it about halfway through trudging through the MSQ until I ultimately lost steam and gave up trying to get to the "good part" after about 30 hours of playtime while the rest of them got through Heavensward and are now well on their way through Shadowbringers.
After watching this, hopefully I can give this game another chance with a new mindset, and not skip through all the dialogue this time. Wish me and my tiny conjurer "The Chris" luck!
[EDIT 2023]: I got through Ifrit and gave the game another break, but by now I realized I don't really like the gameplay of being a White Mage. So I'm now having a way easier and more fun time as my tiny Summoner "The Chris"
It's taken me a while to get around to watching this video but I'm glad I finally did.
Definitely one of your best videos you've made and I'm looking forward to content like this in the future.
(Although, I guess a video about hundreds of hours of play might be just a bit hard to make a few of)
i need more jocat video essays about anything and everything in this format
Thanks Jocat, I am sitting just before Shadowbringers after getting through the all the MSQ up to 4.0 in a month (I'm disabled so I have a lot of time to game). Thanks for making me feel good about stopping to just play around in the crafting sandbox for a while. My friends have been pushing me to rush to 90 or do MSQ but I'm enjoying just leveling a few different classes to 60 and messing around with the other stuff. Hope to heal you soon. :D
This was interesting to hear since I've been feeling the same about the series since playing for about 3 months now. I really like crafting but haven't had the story get its story hooks in me as hard as it has for my friends. I'm going to take this advice and really sit down with it to try and get invested one more time but it's comforting to know I've not been alone in this initial feeling.
Thank you for making this video, it’s what got me to finally try the game. I am now done with ARR and I absolutely loved it
this was such a great video to watch. I plan to show this to a friend or two and hopefully pull them in with me ;P
I finally saw this vid about a week ago, and it got me to make a new account and get playing. It's been about 4 days and I'm on the verge of hitting 30 and loving it. Thank you Jo for all you do!
I feel like I actually would defend the "run in a straight line from one part of said spoiler area and back again a few times over a course of an hour or so" simply because if it were just cutscenes back to back to back, it would be overwhelming. Like, the downtime in moments like that lets you process or think/talk about what's going on so it doesn't just turn into channel surfing at 4 a.m. without really paying attention.
"after turning in this quest several cutscenes will play in sequence"
Theres gotta be a better solution than making the the travel extra boring, so the cut scenes feel comparatively less boring. It's like adding dirt to your porrige in hopes it will make the oats taste sweeter.
@@kodaxmax I'm not saying that it makes the cutscenes "less boring" I'm saying it's the difference between speed eating and having a normal meal. The space between gives things a moment to breathe.
@@writer747 Don't worry the cutscenes with any sort of weight to them already space themselves out with hours of meaningless drivel (whoops I meant setup). The msq is a visual novel, having to teleport/auto-run/watch a progression bar/kill 5 piss easy mobs in between adds nothing.
@@Malcadork I'm not going to touch the amount of oof in that comment.
I appreciate this so much! I'm someone who tried free week trials and have a partner long with plenty of friends trying to get me to play. It never quite hit but this gives me a new perspective.
This video almost makes me cry, hearing how much you enjoy the game, since I'm in the same place, of loving it like crazy.
And yes, the chocobo sniffing quest was very important, just for the WAY later dialogue choice "as transcendent as smelling a chocobo"
I didn't have any of these problems you had, but I can apprehend them well enough. As a 90 omnicrafter/gatherer and someone who's currently working on getting all my combat, I feel the technical faubles of this game -- but you know what? The bits of great story I get by persevering are totally worth dealing with those. I'm going to second that Hildibrand recommendation, with much gladness. Just be sure to bring your sense of humor so that you can enjoy both the excellent writing and the fantastic animations. Can't tell you how many times I've burst out in laughter at some of the turns of phrase, twists of story, and especially the ways in which scenes are animated. On a side note -- read item descriptions the first time you get them. A lot of them are pretty straightforward, but quest items and especially _fish_ usually have fun text hiding in the descriptions. I've laughed quite a lot at those, too. They didn't have to go so hard to make descriptions interesting or funny, but they did, and I love it for that. Finally... when you are on your Minions page, you can hover over the illustration of a selected minion in the lower-right to get some flavor text. There's a bunch of funny stuff in both minion item text and in the flavor text.
I feel like the odd one out cause I immediately loved the story and world building. By the end of ARR I did feel burned out ngl but the lore kept me going. I think it’s cause I love writing and making my own characters so I love experiencing world building and character development.
Same here. The game had me hooked from the beginning. I was annoyed by how long ARR was, but the story and the lore was more better
You've nailed everything I felt throughout this entire video for me, now I'm hoping the latter half of your experience is true too :) Definitely gonna give FFXIV another shot now especially now that my friends are also sucked into it
Oh and amazing redesign. Perfection.
Okay, my brain pinged something while watching this vid again (I enjoy the perspective JoCat has, and how it evolved and also he has a nice voice x3). So, I have been trying to run my two alts to 50 real fast so I can get some cool gear from an event before it ends. and I recall the section of ARR where you are looking for Cid's airship. Two stories mentioned by Father Iliud, I believe, mention "The Flight of the Enterprise" and "THE GREAT GOOBUE WALL". They made this an actual part of the world's lore! That is so cool!
By Halone's spear, this put into words so much much of what I've been feeling. The first few times I tried to get into it was with a group of friends who were interested in sprinting me through the ARR content, but that just made things feel stressful. But I *love* taking my time and savoring the little details.
The Hildebrand questline is honestly what saved the game for me, that and having friends play it. Hands down the best FF side story I've ever seen - perhaps the best MMO side story I've ever seen tbh
How much do I love the Manderville Quests?
There's a quest in Endwalker where a man asks you to oil him up "For Science". And I REFUSED because I didn't wanted to cheat on Hildi.
Yes. The Hildibrand questline was what won me over, finally.
Ironically for me, that quest line is the one part of the game I just can't stand and I am only powering through it because it's a blue quest line with some neat rewards.
idk- do you consider Sorrow of Werlyt a side story? If so, that one is by far my favorite. But Hildi is fun, yeah. though I wish I hadn't done them all at once. I hit some pretty bad secondhand embarrassment overload.
23:36 THIS. This makes me think about how EW [spoiler]
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bro i only read the first sentence but give a spoiler warning! Jesus. Thanks for ruining that story beat
@@25cats oh sorry about that. Will add after the cmt. Since the EW spoiler gate is lifted I wasn’t thinking to add warning. 7th Umbral Calamity wiping memories is mentioned in ARR so I don’t see this part is spoiler…At least you still have to discover how that point is related to EW at least? 😅 I don’t think anyone can guess without the context provided by EW anyway.
@@SoSakashii oh nvm, im totally on the wrong side here. My brain immediately activated the spoiler sensors for some reason and i misread everything. Sorry about that!!
I'm really curious, I don't recall those references in EW. Could you point out the point the 7th calamity comes up for me?
@@quin5805 When Scholarch Montichaigne lectured us about the nature of aether, soul, memory etc
Coming back to the game myself, the mindset stuff you talked about really helped me customize my character during creation oddly enough.
As someone who had no idea how to do things for any sort of MMO before trying this game, learning things has been challenging but fun. Watching this reaffirms the fun I’ve been having playing the game thus far, so thank you for that, JoCat! I may only be barely level 30, but I’m really excited for what more the game has to offer.
I'm glad you really tried to stick it out multiple times to enjoy the game rather than just give up after the first attempt when you didn't like it. You kept at it and tried different angles and now you even love it. Makes me smile when I see someone give a game that many chances and have it finally click. :)