MMO Vets React to JoCat's Guide to Tanks, Healers, and DPS in FFXIV!
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
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Devinity and I watch and react to the JoCat's Guide on tanking, healing and DPS in Final Fantasy XIV Online! These guides are hilarious and entertaining! Links to the original videos here: • A Crap Guide to Final ...
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Let us know if there is any other great FFXIV videos that are a MUST watch! (Spoiler Free pls!)
Final Fantasy XIV 1.0 in a nutshell
@@soltymc1616 Added to the list! Thanks!
I woud suggest Cider Spiders "mad because Small" series up till he point it BECOMES spoilers, or anything bene G has put out, excellent reactions btw! : D
@@Piper_Punch Will Check it out thanks!
@@FrenziedFury Will do, thanks!
This made me realize how much I miss jocat’s videos. I started watching him while his crap guides to monster hunter. He never failed to entertain.
Yeah, we really enjoyed these! Going to have to check out his other ones also!
@@Jrocks26 you won’t be disappointed. I’ve been playing FFXIV for almost 10 years and he is spot on. His crap guides to dnd and monster hunter world are also very good.
These guides are deceptively helpful. A lot of former WoW players make avoidable mistakes because FFXIV works differently. And JoCat adresses a lot of these bad habits.
A lot of tanks new to FFXIV run around like headless chickens because they think they can dodge auto-attacks. Doing this will make melee DPS lose damage because they can't hit their attacks with positional requirements.
New healers keep the party at 100% and don't DPS which wastes everyone's time AND it sandbags the party in high-end content with enrages. The only HP that matters is the last. Keeping the party alive is the bare minimum, good healers deal damage 90% of the time and let their healing abilities/oGCDs do most of the work.
Jocat often emphasised how you should keep the other party members in mind. Not running around as tanks is for the DPS players. Stop attacking to dodge AoEs is making life easier for healers. Goal of this game is to finish your duties and do so as quickly as possible. Playing the best you can, giving it your all and keeping your party members in mind is what every player should do. Doing maximum damage, even as a healer, even when it's harder, is the polite thing to do.
No joke - I got Stone Vigil yesterday as a tank, and the healer told me to pull wall to wall, then blamed me for dying. Their reasoning?
I didn't kite enough.
I was so flabbergasted i sent screenshots to my omni-90 tank main FC leader, wondering if there was some secret tank strat I'm missing. He was equal parts incredulous and annoyed on my behalf.
@@Laterose15 Wall to wall stone vigil is doable but it will take your healer all their ressource to keep you alive assuming the tank play optimally. Needless to say your healer wasn't up to the task and blamed you instead.
And at the same time, you get those who eat damage they can avoid easily without moving the boss.
@@Marekthejester Yeah, stone vigil is at that level range that's a very special pain because our favorite buttons just don't work (yet); also, some of those mobs just don't play nice (damnit stop spitting at me, come on over if you dare!).
@@Marekthejester This is a perfect example of how important proper communication is. Stone Vigil has always been infamous for its pulls. But it got really bad over the years because healers have fewer and fewer tools at low levels. And less powerful ones, too. The difference between toolkits between the release of ARR and now is staggering.
But tanks don't know that. A good healer would have communicated that. Communication is such a powerful thing in an MMO. And this healer refused to use it. And when they got around to use it, they used it incorrectly...
While kiting probably could have worked, it's slower than properly pulling small packs and group them, so the AoE abilites hit every target. In the end, not only did this healer fail to ask for small pulls before or after the wipe, they also wasted the time and nerves of their fellow party members by giving unsolicited and incorrect advice.
JoCat's guides are hilarious, but actually very helpful, no joke. I avoided NIN until I watched JoCat's melee dps video, now it is my most played job.
These were amazing! lol
@@Jrocks26 Yea, he was great but unfortunately some shitty members of the community caused him to stop making videos because he made a song video awhile ago essentially saying he likes women.
@@skiefyre123 WTF
@@Jrocks26 Yea, people kept posting his video to social media and reportedly every time it was rediscovered him and his family would get strange packages, death threats, etc. The video was a short animation called I Like Girls.
@@skiefyre123 what the heck is wrong with people, what a shame 😣
I love how the dps video ends with his queue popping. As a black mage main, I always have factorio or something open in the background when playing for two things
•MSQ Roulette dungeon monologues
•Sitting in DPS queue
Luckily atm we are usually duoing a Tank and Healer, so instant queue pops for us!
His video ends with finding a party "end screen" OOOOOH freak! Somebody canceled!
ProTip: play the vids to the end. Sometimes there's post-credit scenes.
Will do, thanks!
@@Jrocks26 After you play the "Melee DPS" video, search for his "Spooky Slice" video.
I legit became so much better at FFXIV because of these videos! They're silly, yes, and slightly out of date now, but they still have everything you need to know to be worth giving commendations to!
Yes, we thought they were fantastic! 😆
Love Jocats stuff! His video called "I wanna talk about how it took me 300 hours to like FFXIV (And how you can too in less time)" is really a great watch, and if you have any interest in D&D those guides are all amazing as well!
Added to the list! Thanks! I didnt know he made DnD stuff, we are HUGE DND nerds!
How to like FFXIV in less than 300 hours: don't play the main story.
It's the best advice I can give to anyone who is interested in the game. They've made it possible to replay the main story, just do it later when you're invested into the game.
JoCat is an amazing creator. Glad you found these!
Yeah, someone suggested we checked them out, glad we did! lol
there is a drawback to LB3 for healer though. it resurrects your ass exactly were you died. so if on certain Trials you body is touching the border/outside zone you will either die again or get a bleed effect depending on the type.
Didn't know that lol
Getting resurrected by an LB3 also does not give you the invulnerability that you would get when raised normally. That's something that the healer needs to pay attention to so that the people they are raising aren't instantly taken out again by an AoE.
I thought they fixed that and gave a little leeway so you dont instantly die again
@@duskblade1119 on the other hand there’s no res debuff either and everybody gets full hp. even if they were already alive they’ll get healed
@@duskblade1119 You DO get rez invuln as normal, but the animation lock consumes most of it, so it seems like you don't get rez invuln because you only get a couple moments of it to move with.
Jocat is truly a king among quality content creators. Or rather, he was before a small but very, very determined group of people decided to harrass him to the point that he quit doing internet content. I think there was some doxxing involved as well.
Thats horrendous 😕
@@Jrocks26 indeed.
I wish there was something we could do for him, because that's utter bull. I love his videos!
love Jocats FFXIV guides are hilarious..; and gets better (re)watching it, the more classes you know..
... and his guides are actually good for new players
Yeah, they were great. Going to have to check out the rest!
I'm an omnicrafter, tanking mentor. I don't have a God complex: God has a me complex.
In WoW I used to be a raidhealer and floater. On several occasions the RL would get pissy because "she hasn't used enough mana!", "she has barely overhealed" or "she has done too much DPS". The heal-leader would be telling him "that's her job! It's an opportunist role, she's keeping the rest of us alive and throwing DPS at the same time. She's doing fine!", but nope. In FFXIV, so long as we don't wipe we doing fine.
I like big pulls and I cannot lie, the speed of my feet belies, when the DPS doesn't help me pull I get sprung!!
Give me the aggro Hun! So I could mob this one!
Deep in the dungeon Karen I'm hooked and I can't stop staring oh baby I want to get with you and take your pitcher....of blood love!
(Sing to Sir Mix-A-Lot song I like big butts).
You know you're really too far into tankimg, when you start making up songs for it. I have all the mounts, I've raided extreme and ultimates as a tank. And don't you dare say warrior isn't the best tank ever! I've done 500 instances or more on all four tanks, and I know warrior is the best.
My opinion is, it is so simple and has so much healing to it, that it makes learning the fight take precedence instead of learning your combos. So much better to raid as a warrior than anything else
You guys might enjoy pint or cider spider as well theyre both enjoyable
Thanks! Will give them a look!
@@Jrocks26cider spider is trying to get every achievement in the game. If you want to look at all the different aspects of final fantasy, watch that guy's videos because he gets into everything.
If you want funny videos that are more like movie productions, and have extremely great editing, check out pint.
Yoo, lifelong(ish) tank here too, used to run Fear and Hate raids as a Warrior back when I was 16/17 years old, back on Mith Marr. Basically gave myself self-inflicted PTSD with leading raids around the time of doing MC and BRD in WoW, so I’ve just strictly been a raid member for the last 20 years.
It’s wild going from being one of the youngest around to being one of the older people in XIV. Always cool to hear others from back then
Hey! Same story here. Tank main from Original EQ all the way up until now. Good times!
It’s a shame JoCat got doxxed and threatened over a 30 second music clip and animation he made. He had to stop making videos and move.
Thats insane
@Jrocks26 it was more than the video though. That was just an excuse, one of many different ones used by hateful folks angry about him supporting lgbt and trans charities.
What social media keyboard heroes did to JoCat is tragic... I hope he will bring us videos one day again o.o
Yeah, that's awful 😖
Another funny series to watch is Larryzaur's Basically, [Job name here] videos. It starts with Basically, Summoner IIRC.
Awesome, thanks for the suggestion. Will have to check it out!
@@Jrocks26 I second that, Larryzaur's Basically videos are hilarious. Especially basically black mage and basically white mage.
I hope he'll return to do Viper and Pictomancer. I miss him.
Can confirm - as a healer main, I have the power to keep the party alive and I KNOW it.
Yes, I will occasionally use my power for evil :3
Lol !
I've let too many eager tanks kiss the floor for going in first while sprouts are in the middle of enjoying their cutscenes. No pity, no mercy
these guides are perfect for getting a gist of your role in a party
They Are Great!
Love these vids!
Just a side note - While these really do have a lot of great info, most or all came out shortly before Endwalker, so some stuff is a bit out of date. E.g., Healer Regen no longer draws aggro onto the healer if it was already in place before the pull begins. Casting it mid-fight generates enmity/aggro as usual.
Yeah, these were great. We are going to have to check out the rest of them now!
Having played a while and watched a lot of streamers, I think there's only one thing he really should have added: Esuna, and knowing that debuffs with the blue bar at the top can be dispelled. Aside from that, they're all super informative and hilarious. :)
Yeah debuff cleansing is so rarely used in battles nowadays
Jocat's "Crap Guide to FF14 - Tanks" + Lucy Pyre's "Tanks in 5 minutes or less" contain all the basic information you need to become a good tank in this game. It's crazy how much information there is in these 2 videos and how many fundamentals about tanking, and doing it well they cover.
I'll have to check out that other one, thanks!
Love Jocat. Careful not to stop the videos early. Sometimes there's stuff at the end
Thanks for the tip!
Jocat’s guides are basically “ok, take Moistcritikal, moderately annoy him, then speed up what he says by 1.25x” flavor of humor
Healers don't have a god complex at all. *shifty eyes in SCH main*
I know you are joking but I play all three roles. Out of all 3 roles healers definitely are like that XD. I swear most healer mains have a strong need to feel needed and passive aggression is common.
love watching you guys play
Thanks 😊
RIP Jocat! You are missed😢
I’m a DPS/Healer in 14. Reaper (Viper once Dawntrail drops) and Summoner. I go Sage when healing but sometimes I choose Astro. I’m not very good at tanking unfortunately.
Lol! Missed the funniest joke at the end! I'm dead!
Still sad that Jo Cat is gone.
I miss Jocat
I disagree with the part where he said healers should mostly be attacking instead of healing because what good is a healer doing damage when everyone is almost dead and your healing skills magically get forgotten about causing everyone to die? Or they decided to try to heal at the very last second causing everyone to die? I was literally in that situation last week and ended up being the last one alive because i'm a dark knight,btw samurai have a range attack skill
sadly, many healers are what i like to call "Wow Healers" as anyone whos played World of warcraft knows that a healer there will stand and do NOTHING..but toss out a heal.
rinse repeat the entire run.
and yes, you get many a wow healers on runs that sometimes ill stand super close and stare at them until they say something or i say "Hey can you help us kill these and not stand there waiting to toss a heal to the tank?"
I have all level capped classes, and am a veteran player since 2.0. I am a paladin main who paladin mains so hard that I even got the jobstone tattooed into my forearm right under my tonberry. I HATE playing with WoW refugees for this very reason. I abandoned WoW when MOP dropped. But when I stepped into FF14, I left that behind. I've been playing literally since 2.0, before Heavenward even dropped. I've seen so many frustrating players that it isn't even funny. Healers who won't DPS, scholars using physick (I am not even joking sadly) in level 80+ content, Tanks who don't know how to use their aoes, and black mages who decide that they want to "roleplay as an ice wizard" 😑 I once even witness a mofo tell someone to go kill themselves because they were playing black mage and forgot to use thunder for the dot. The thing is, I think the people who do these things are likely trolls who enjoy and get their kicks out of making other people's lives harder. I am not a healer main by any stretch, nor even an expert, but I can wall to wall heal even in level 90 content. It isn't that hard. And tanks... Oh, tanks... In FF14 I almost always dread trying to play any other class but tank, because the amount of times I end up in a duty with a mofo who refuses to use his aoes kind of makes me rage. Unlike in other games, tank in FF14 doesn't even need you to use emnity gain abilities. You literally just have to make sure you have tank stance on and are smacking everything. Aoe, aoe, aoe! Generally speaking, if I see someone in a duty who is doing something that is dumb or incorrect, I will attempt to kindly guide them. Like, "hey, tank, could you please use your aoes to make sure you're hitting everything and keeping aggro?" And if they wish to continue to be difficult, then I vote kick. And I won't move an inch until they are kicked. Considering that I am usually the tank, that means they go. The problem is that FF14 is a team player kind of game. There are many who play with a selfish, solo mentality. That being said, the FF14 community is, as a whole, one of the best and kindest communities that there is! Don't let the occasional jack wagon ruin it for you; most FF14 players are some of the chillest and most helpful people you'll ever meet.
@@BrideOfTheDawn oh yeah I get what you mean!
I play healers from time to time, but I have met the WORSE people while on that job.
Cause as you said, Every class can do dps, even healers, but they get so Stingy when I’m spamming holy or My rocks while jumping back and forth to my medicas and my heals. (I’ve actually been kicked from groups placing medicas on the tank during a low run instead of solo healing them.
It’s free healing, take the HEALS.
And yeah they were the ones who got Hangry at me for doing that XD
I’ve been told that I can’t be a causal player as a healer, and that I should ONLY be DPS if I wanna go Casual.
And there have been a few times where I would be the dps in a low lvl dungeon, like lvl 15-20 low and I’d be standing in face to face with the healer who would be standing there writing for the Tanks hp bar to go down to half being tossing a heal to them.
By the halfway point. They’d usually figure out I was just staring at the healer for not doing ANYTHING and they’d either leave and we’d get a new one or they’d be forced to dps with us and not just stand there and follow us like a bot.
Tank guide is a bit outdated. Dark Knight invuln is actually good now.
If you think this editing is wild, you haven't seen Max0r. Lol all I have to say
i wish Jocat was still making videos, istg that people need to grow TF up and NOT harrass people for random shit. those that contributed to his quitting making vids should LITERALLY be excommunicated from the community imo. ANY community.
Yeah, that stuff is really messed up 😠
"oh these are meme guides. are they good guides?"
they are crap guides, its in the title. "a crap guide to...."
Do not listen to Jocat about Offtanks having their stance off. As long as the other tank provokes and keeps up their damage it’ll be a non issue. If it does come up that’s what shirk is for. An off tank should always be the number 2 on the enmity list, in case MT has a case of the suddenly deads. And you need tank stance on for that. Also Dark Knight’s TBN is the most over rated mitigation not the best, and Dark’s invuln is much better now.
I appreciate your take!
NO!!! NOT EVERYONE IS A DPS!!!!! Get jocats nonsense out of your mind especially you healers. You along with tanks only dps in VERY niche circumstances, so niche in fact I can take the lowest dps in the game and mop the ever loving crap out of you in any type of game content anywhere. One thing I will say is a term I've developed for healers is you don't want to become what I call a "Panic caster" which is someone who sees a party or raid member half dead and about to be slapped by yet another unavoidable damage attack from the boss and you're too busy casting your healer damage abilities forcing you to blow instant casts to get them high enough so when they do get slapped they're right back to square one.....don't be that guy or gal
Spoken like someone who has zero idea how to play an FF14 healer. Unless you're doing low-level content where you don't get any of your off-global heals OGCDs are what you should be using for your heals as often as possible. Why should you do that? so you can add additional dps, which is needed no matter how much you look down on it. Unless all you ever do is basic dungeons what you call panic casting is actually the best way to do it because it doesn't tie up your cooldown with healing spells, allowing you to use it for damage instead, which makes the dungeon go faster, which means you have less need to heal.
Three worst mistakes a healer can do:
1. Focus on keeping the party "topped off" over eliminating the enemy. You are allowing the enemy more time to injure your party.
2. Casting Heal over time spells, like Regen between and right before mob pulls. You are wasting the part of the duration of the spell healing someone actively regenerating/already fully healed while also risking unnecessary aggro pull.
3. Not prioritizing OGCD healing spells, if they aren't put on cooldown they are not being used efficiently. The GC healing spell should be saved for when there are no OGCD's off cooldown.
@owenwells7692 Spoken like someone who has zero common sense. Want to know what makes the dungeon go slower? Having to stop and relax or wait for the party members who died due to YOU prioritizing DPS over your main roles responsibility and if this is the lesson the game teaches you then I'm glad I don't play the game anymore seeing as it's a stupid lesson especially considering by the time you are geared to even enter high end content raiding in the game that even at the highest difficulty the dungeon offers it isn't a threat and the DPS if playing as if they were hung over are more than qualified and capable to damage the mobs and bosses in no time. If you're playing a MMO, especially one the lead designer himself stated isn't meant to be rushed through but taken your time with and enjoyed, then you're playing the wrong game and should look at others to play instead.
But it's OK, bad players are players too and you and the 2 people who supported your nonsense can improve over time.
P.S. If your stance on this is that you can do your job effectively while disregarding the main gimmick behind your classes design then let's take this to an extreme example; tank player turn off your tank stance since your DPS alone should be able to garner and hold threat by itself according to this person
@@lionwhyte___2634 Your stance contains no form of sense common or otherwise. Owenwells never implied that the healer should disregard healing so your P.S. comparison is nonsensical on premise in regard to the subject matter.
You seem to be under the preconception that a healer is incapable of healing the party while also performing dps. This is completely false, most of a healers time is spent attacking the enemy, especially if the rest of the party is effective with using mitigation and avoiding telegraphed damage.
There is no "stop and relax" due to natural regen between mobs and you won't have to "wait for party members who died" if you are effective at weaving healing spells in between attacks. The only time the party "rushes" a dungeon is when the tank decides to pull wall-to-wall.
Keeping every party member at full health at ALL times will only result in you emptying your MP reserve and increase the risk of being able to do anything when you need it or require the party to stop progress completely so you can replenish your drained reserves.
@for_the_lore5567 The only thing that is nonsensical is your retort to my own. Never once did I say that a healer should NEVER prioritize DPS but the fact of the subject matter is that the original poster stated that is their main focus and NOT doing that will likely end up in frustration and wipes....it will not. And if it did something is very VERY VERY wrong with the dps. You could wake me up from a drunken stupor and I can do the rotations on the classes I played effective enough that the content I'm doing isn't an issue.
Let's break down the gameplay health bar into 4 sections: healthy, fine, injured and critical injured would be 50-25% and critical would be 25% or below. A healer as effectively as possible should try and keep the parties hp pool at around "fine" marker or 75% this is the minimum requirement needed to survive an AoE from a raid or dungeon boss that isn't avoidable, thus is the ideal healers need and should strive for.
My metaphor and example of a tank not tanking with stance on and trying to maintain aggro is just as silly as a healer saying they're going to heal by focusing solely on DPS which is what the poster claimed and that's just plain insanity. But I surmise for someone of your....questionable intellect my reasons would come off as "silly"