Mercedes Have A BIG Problem! | The Shakedown Podcast #72
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Baxty fails to see the bigger picture blaming Lewis for the set-up error. This from the Daily Telegraph who explains it well:
"The decision-making process on Hamilton’s side of the garage has to be questioned. He took responsibility for the decision, but you would expect any radical set-up changes to be made after consultation with a larger group. This includes the key engineers with perhaps even Wolff involved, especially if there is an element of risk to it."
So, the real question should be why are the engineers and other consulted persons allowing these changes? Why are they not forseeing the problems with the changes? Baxty is being too simplistic just blaming Lewis. It's a larger problem.
Well said
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Because engineering/setting up an F1 car is an extremely difficult task that teams often get wrong, especially when their star driver appears to think he knows better than his engineers at times. I'm by no means a Lewis hater, I think he's objectively one of the best drivers in the history of the sport. However, I get the strong impression that he thinks he knows more about the technical aspects of car set up/design than he really does. To be clear by no means am I trying to imply that he doesn't know anything about these things.
As an engineer that did FSAE and knows engineers in F1 (not at Mercades) this is a common "problem" with some drivers. They think that doing X will cause Y based on their experience with one car, when in reality that's just not the case for complicated reasons that often arent intuative or obvious.
Nico said on one of his YT videos years ago, that one of the few advantages he had over Lewis was his technical understanding of car set up and the fact that he was able to play with things like differential settings and braking bias on specific corners more than Lewis did. By most accounts Lewis is much more of a "feel" driver than a "technical" one and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I just think the frustration of not having a top tier car is really getting to him and I personally don't think he's necessarily handled it well at times.
@@specialK319319 I don't buy the Nico Rosberg better tech knowledge speil. I recall Malaysia 2014--where Merc had to produce a massive dossier on Hamilton's techniques to help a struggling Rosberg. And from what i recall, it was often Rosberg who couldn't work out what engine settings to use and /or was in the wrong setting, such as Spain 2016.
The whole point of my post was to point out that there are other people involved in choosing a particular set-up. It's not solely on Lewis as Baxty seems to intimate. It's more complex than 1 person making all the decisions.
@@specialK319319 -I don't buy the myth re Rosberg's technical prowess.
The only point i'm making is that it's not solely down to Lewis. Other, more qualified personnel are also involved in the set-up decisions.
I can't belive some of you are still defendig Totto. He's the man whose ego didn't allow him to change the car in 2022, used FIA to interfere with the rules mid way into the championship and brought TD039 to hinder the development of his rivals..
Toto is a business man, not an engineer. He was told by his engineering team that the car can work.
@@robertnowac8094 Totto is first of all a Team principal, a team manager, whether or not he is an engineer doesn't mean he was clueless of the of the problems of the car.. The ideia of raising the car by a few centimeters was the perceived silver bullet that would have solved the issues and give Mercedes the advantage the simulator showed (1 sec faster)..
Engineer or not he sold to FIA the ideia of safety concerns with porpoising and bouncing, therefore he was aligned with the plan of engineers to raise the car.. So don't tell me that he didn't know of the problems, he is as guilty as his engineers for not changing the car in 2022
@@bencabral1453 Certainly some car problems are obvious for all to see but Toto looks to the team engineers for his understanding of the car. I assume he trusts them.
So Sir Lewis messed around with the car setup and complained the entire race. Got it 😅
Nico was on fire and did a great job analyzing the race and regardless of who he may like or dislike on the grid, u wouldn’t know it.
Remember “THEY DIDN’T LISTEN TO LEWIS’ DEVELOPMENT SUGGESTIONS”. Well, now they did in setup. Can’t have it both ways.
They did this year, and that is one of the reasons the car is so shit.
It’s hilarious too cause Hamilton is not technically inclined at all. I garunteed his suggestions were, “we need more downforce in the rear, need to be faster” yes Lewis we know, but how should we do that? Garunteed the engineers are sick of Hamilton’s attitude and sick of the mob cult fanbase that is spreading toxicity and hate about a team that gave their fav driver 6 championships 😂.
Fernando had also the sense also to open the DRS. Incredible driver reaction.
Your guests wanted to hear nothing bad about Toto which was absolutely ridiculous
You felt it to
Never thought I’ll be defending Toto as a Max/RB fan, but people blast him so much.
“Fix your car mate” it’s easier said then done, some regs are just not suiting certain teams, when Toto was winning I guess he was perfect to you, now he can’t say a right thing 😂.
When Mercedes was dominating Horner wasn’t sacked or blamed and he wasn’t able to fix his car until 2021.
Nico Rosberg was great this weekend, I was proper surprised. He's voice is annoying af but he's a wealth of knowledge
He's brilliant. They're the new meta
agree
He was the most honest and objective Sky presenter by far
I respect your opinion;however, I don’t have anything nice to say about Nico. Yesterday, today & tomorrow. He comes across as a fair weather person.
He’s honest. I’m a fan. Usually these types of ppl are hated. Nico seems to be popular thus far though.
Mercedes do have a problem and it’s not just down to the friction between Hamilton and Wolff. It the biggest issue is that they are trying to use sci fi solutions like they did in days gone by when the regulations are fundamentally old school engineering and philosophy of aero. I’m not saying it’s gotten simpler but it’s mastering the fundamentals of the suspension that has crippled them!
Not to belittle their amazing achievements, I feel that Abu Dhabi broke Toto and Lewis. They both appear to be ‘done’ psychologically. Perhaps they don’t know it yet. Mercedes need a total rebuild, ground up, without Toto and Lewis in the hands on mix. The spell is broken. Nothing lasts forever.
Fascinating points. Although I’m not sure it’s entirely accurate, Lewis took it much worse than Toto ever did, because frankly it means more to him. Toto is a businessman at the end of the day and only cares about the brand, that’s why he was celebrating the night his driver was robbed and tucked his tail post AD21.
Very true!!!!!
@@Daris_13i think you are right that Lewis took it much harder. But in defense of Toto he also had an obligation to the team that won the constructors to celebrate their effort. That is the only thing a leader should do in that moment instead of moping around.
Lewis is far from done. If you put him in a dominant car he will come alive.
With that said, he sure has been making a lot of wrong calls regarding car setup and a couple of mistakes driving in general, he is not as fast as he was but best believe he is still a very very good wheel to wheel racer and is as determined as ever.
Toto has been doing his job well which is pleasing the shareholders (including himself). He joined a team on the rise at the point where they were about to dominate via engine reg changes. Keeping it together prior to the cost cap was easy, he's now done the same as most business CEOs and stripped costs (got rid of expensive human capital) to increase profits. The race team is now very profitable so the board is happy, but now the brain drain means Merc is a shell of it's prior self. Losing performance and losing Hamilton is now a PR nightmare. Bringing in Verstappen would be a desperate attempt to stick a huge plaster over a gaping wound and to distract from the brand performing poorly. Merc unironically need Horner to replace Toto. He's the only person qualified to rebuild a previously Championship winning team back to title contention. I don't think that the Merc board have the appetite for that though. I can see them bowing out of F1, selling to the highest bidder after 2026 when Audi come in and outperform them.
Mercedes were accustomed to spending their way out of problems that is why the cost cap has disproportionately clobbered them
The comment Baxtie made about things not being translated well happens to every driver and Team principal. And you don't bring it up when it concerns anything else but Mercedes. Because we have to review a lot of Foreign speaking English speakers remarks to situations.
Toto is not a politician he does not spin answers - Baxtie 2024
It's not that long ago the British were experts in Brazilian Portuguese, so that can't be really much of an issue.
I found it interesting Ferrari had all the problems McLaren was loudly forecasting for themselves.
Also my opinion on the point system is that too many point are being given,especially to the top spot. If keep the current system but reduce the points that will keep the championship a little bit closer. And if you dnf? Your season will be made that much harder. Extending the points beyond the top ten reeks of participation trophy hand outs.
It's exactly this sir. They can't pay their way out of this. 😭
Rewarding mediocrity too. Dislike 😢
Why shouldn’t there be a massive gap between first and second?
@@michaeldellorso889why should there be such a huge gap? By reducing the gap even a dominant car can loose champions in the case of a few dnf's.
@@GTE_Channel because wins should be heavily rewarded
if a customer cant beat an engine supplier, then the rules arnt working. Times have changed - the biggest advantage an engine supplier has is that the chassis developer knows and can have imput on the engine dimensions and layout. With an established engine that advantage isnt there from one year to the next.
The rules are not broken, Mercedes design concept is.
Max doesn't want to be a Mercedes ambassador after his F1 career.
He'd rather want to have his own team, e.g. a LeMans team.
And then race himself too!
The only reason he would want a Mercedes ambassadorship is to have something Lewis wasn’t given. He don’t really care about that
@@thiscatrocks indeed, Max doesn't care what Lewis might or might not have been given.
He only focusses on himself. He wants to race and win.
ToTo is angry at Lewis, he didn't have to highlight Lewis made suggestion to change setup. Could have kept it within the team. Lewis should have left announcement until end of year about leaving but he's too nice, wanted to give them team to plan replacement.
He had to because it was about to be leaked.
it was leaked
Now i understand why Rosberg didn't tell Merc he was going to retire.
@@Cati-ws7ei they said Toto leaked it..
Please…….he is a narcissist. He loves being talked about, loves the attention.
on every other race I would not appreciate the Zhou show... Just being back in China his first home race... to please the chinese fans ..!
Holy Christ! What about LeClerc?? Mr Ferrari sure does cave in the moment!!
Let’s not over-complicate things, Lewis is lost because the engineers are lost, and Wolff never had a clue about anything except money.
If Max wins in Miami he'll have a higher career win % than Lewis
Good for him
Already breaking some crazy records by the age of 26. By the time he retires he will hold the wins and titles records as well.
@@baxtybf1😭
@@madalinbpopa You can't guarantee that. 2026 is going to change things up massively
By 2026 he will have 5 titles and around 90 wins, given his talent and age it is expected for him to win at least 2 more titles after that. Sure, there is a rule change but unless someone else other than RB shows with an absolutely huge PU advantage like Merc had in 2014, he will still fight for wins and titles, the Red Bull chassis will still be top of the field.
30:30 Carlos was hoping to replicate his last win. He is clearly the more aggressive of the two.
I'm honestly tired of people trying to make excuses for toto and Mercedes Hamilton is not going to kill himself in a crap car and the team is not there for him and I doubt then care much about George toto is throwing a temper tantrum like he's 5 if he was worried about fixing his team he would be acting different all he's been doing did team division and a sad attempt to employ max it's all a shame and the whole team needs to look in the mirror and be very honest about why they wasting their time with behavior like this they are better than this which is why it's so angering the fia is even worse it's all a very sad state of affairs looks like those Ferrari clown memes have a new silver cast keep up the great content 😁
Toto is a pure manipulator,I guess everybody knows even within the team,Only solution is him out..And restructuring the entire organization..otherwise that team will never be the same
You talking about click bait but you did a useless video saying Lando to rebull,where in hell you get that
Did you see the question mark in the title? Cheers
I have followed Lewis since he was in F2 and i will be following him to Ferrari but i am sad to see Mercedes slipping down the grid, they need to get things moving in the right direction.
17:15 the live testing is pissing me off royally
I still think Lando did the right thing in the sprint. He maybe made a slight mistake in when he accelerated or whatever around the outside, but it certainly wasn't inevitable that he would lose grip and go off. There was every chance he would have been able to hold that line and retake the lead in the next corner.
He wasn't great on combined exit was. He's no Fernando Alonso 😃
@@CameronF1. That is true - not yet anyway - but Alonso would always make that move.
Turns out with all these Sir Lewis fans jumping the Mercedes Team bandwagon, that the Mercedes Social Media team were spot on with that meme a few weeks ago.
Here are my take aways from the Chinese Grand Prix.
- Lance Stroll cannot drive!
- Red Bull is the class of the feild, Pit stops and racing period!
- Lewis Hamilton needs to be placed on Garden Leave or paid to stay away.
-Toto will be gone in two years tops! As a Team principal Mercedes can't lead in anything, from pitstops, racing sectors, fastest laps, or even showing up at this point.
Garden leave ???
@@thiscatrocks It's corporate lingo.
@@Dre_The_Millennial I know what gardening leave is, I’m questioning you suggestion
@@thiscatrocks Oh ok.
You turn down a 7 time world champion and want the ambassador to be max? If i was lewis i would quit immediately. I would be gone by close of business day. Not come back from giraffin lunch
Huh Max brings very very little commercially to Merc. World Champion that’s kinda cloudy. Since the move the Mercedes feeling has mostly gone away already. That’s a wild statement
Great content Cameron! Like it or not Lewis created much of this by going to another team. Nothing wrong with that but I think he has started to move on and and also creating some of the pressure on himself. Enjoy the guests also. Please keep it up!
Means a lot Jay. Thank you sir. You're not wrong re: Lewis-Ferrari either! 😭
@@CameronF1. The hardest part of this sport is when we see a talented driver struggle due to lack of a decent car. To me it forces them to try things they might never do. Your comments on the teams they supply doing better than them support what is probably happening in more than one head other than Lewis. In the end all we want is good racing. As for the offer to Max about an ambassadorship, I think that only hurts the situation as they had the opportunity to do that for Lewis. Makes no sense so I see team and driver doing things that don't help either one. Sad
Not about max or any driver. If you can not see that do something else!
It is a material sport and if they want it is very easy to favor one!
Team lh in shambles
Yo Cam, when someone else is talking, please allow them to speak without talking over them all the time. Thanks.
David, appreciate the feedback. We've got to interrupt each other though sometimes otherwise great points will get lost every time and each of us will monologue for too long, myself in particular. There's your why
I have watched rb chinese gp pitstops more than 1000 times God,Those guys are just amazing...3 years in row doing same mistakes What's the name for that? People..
Mercedes problem is not related to the drivers, it related to the poor car they constructed. So stop trying to persuade Max into the team, he's not going to fix the problem..
And a delusional management team
the Mercedes glazing is ridiculous
The car wasn’t working the weather was the reason we got to see the icon sir Lewis do his thing for all you new folks second qualy n Grand Prix George went down the same road Lewis was let me go full left field n see what happens keep doing the same thing and moaning is insane as Lewis knows more than anyone in that paddock remember he’s never left the sport because of pressure like kimi alonso etc
More proof that Mercedes never had fans. They were merely LH fans who supported them by proxy. The social media post that angered Cam so much is making more sense by the day, by the hour even.
You're right. 100pc
Finish the sentence you started. “As good as Landos driving he’s not…. Uh the team is built around max.” I know it’s painful but you were speaking the truth until you caught yourself. As good as Landos driving he’s not max.
He is just not that guy always the bridesmaid never the bride. He crumbles under pressure
"I never met Max Verstappen but we all know who Max Verstappen is....." That's a bold statement
He's told us as much. On multiple occasions
How many times in the past two years has Lewis had to give wise answers that lift up his team even in the face of feeling wronged. Even when the experiments that the team would do on his car didn't work he would just say "Let's keep pushing team, we can get there." Toto knows better, I agree with Cam. How many times is Lewis asked unhinged questions by the media baiting him for an inflammatory response but he chooses to give a diplomatic answer??? Baxty and Shez seriously need to rethink their stance on Toto. And on top of that he questions why Lewis has been smiling and brings up his future team unprovoked??????! Like the man hasn't had to learn how to deal with disappointment in the last 2 years??? I can't believe that Toto is now looking like a disgruntled ex who's going through the anger stage of grief.
On the subject of Christian, I can't believe this yet again, I agree with the man and Cameron. Like, you have bigger problems on your plate right now mate. Sort out your car and your team. 10+ engineers have left since 2021. Focus on those most important employees then. It's embarrassing how he keeps bringing up Max while going through this abysmal run of form to be honest.
Toto will do anything to keep the attention off his performance as a team principal and onto any other subject period.
This would be infinitely more watchable if Cameron wasn't such a Hamilton fanboy. That is also the reason that he is upset with Toto. Because Toto is now saying that Max is the better driver. Kinda childish if you ask me.
Cam I have to say I totally agree with your take on Mercedes and Toto and to be honest I'm surprised at the way your guest are either playing devils advocate or they just don'tike lewis because everything you said was spot on in my opinion 🎯
Yes, Baxty in particular is too quick to blame Lewis and too quick to defend Toto
@@user-tf8qf3kb5e💯 and I'm glad I wasn't the only one who can see it.
If you dont love him at his worst. Then you never deserved him at his best! Did I get it right??
Is it possible that Merc sit with 2 drivers that might not be the best at setting up difficult cars?
The only way to beat Max is to have a team that is better than Red Bull. Max and red bull are a deadly combination. The only way to beat Max is Max in a mediocre car, Max will still become second, but because of the superior car you will win. In short that's how you win F1.
12:25 - Toto is needling Christian and dog whistling to Jos. Still, cringe-inducing.
Bull strat cost Perez 2nd
Lewis left. What can Toto do else than looking for another great talent. Hopefully he can bring max and Newey to the team
Baxtie and chez are ridiculously bias. Toto has been an embarrassment and should go. He’s acting like a pissed off girlfriend, praising Max in the most cringeworthy way, dissing lewis every chance he gets. Gtfoh.
I don't think they are Clifford. Just differences in opinion is all.
@@CameronF1. well i disagree. Totos actions are too obvious to ignore. From refering to lewis as Hamilton to not celebrate his goid results. Dont tell me that he only celebrates about winning. When lewis came second at cota last year he was ecstaric. Hes been ecstatic whenever merc gets a podium. Something has changed and weve got to keep the score accurately. This constant sugar coating by members of the f1 community whenever it is their guy is getting tiresome.
The problem for Toto and Lewis is that they have had it so easy during their winning streak and not having needed to fight for their wins, that now they are both lost in terms of what needs to be done. They can’t do the same things that they were doing when they were winning easy, but those are the principles on which their victories were created and so they keep coming back to those principles. Where they are now, they need a complete change of mindset. For Redbull, their success now is driven by all those years of pain from the losing years. I’ll be very surprised if Mercedes get this right without getting an Adrian Newey from RB or getting info on intellectual property of their rivals.
How is it LEWIS job to fix the performance issues of the car-his job is to drive the car.
@@agro-valleyfarm7217 It's a team sport. If we apply your logic, when they were winning we should laud the engineering and design team for delivering such a dominant package. Lewis just drove it. That doesn't seem fair does it?
@@deanrwatson Yes the engineer should be given a lot of credit re: the performance of the car but no one can blame LEWIS or his partner for the underperformance of the current car. When you see how Mclaren have moved ahead of Merc the problem is serious. Teams have moved forward but it doesn't seem like Merc have made any significant improvement. Hopefully in the second half of the season we'll see a better performance from both Merc drivers.
Every driver cares just about winning races. Why this bashing again when talking about Toto
Totos pandering to Max without being able to provide a car thaf COULD win shows jus t how out of touch He really is.
Na, Toto wants Max, just to piss off all the Lewis fan boi's. Going to be even worse next year when Ferrari is 4th behind RB, McLarren and Merc
I am far from a fan of Lewis but Toto has always rubbed me the wrong way. Seems like a nasty person, which is accepted when things go so well for so long... I would not trust that man.
Give your guests a time to talk.
Is this your first episode chap?
Time stamp? Sounds like a healthy discussion to me.
When LH has left Mercedes they can work with the future again. Now they work with the past. Typical Lilu style... it's always others to blame. And that is adopted by all the fanboys as well. Objectivity is difficult when knowledge is lacking. LH was the best in the past but that was then!
Lewis said he made a mistake in setup, so what are you talking about? He took ownership. Under the cost cap, nobody is catching Red Bull. You can't spend your way out of it, and the rules don't restrict the winning team enough to allow teams to catch up. Other series have "success weight" or 'BOP" or whatever, in F1 all you can do is wait until next tech regulation and hope you get it right then. Red Bull got it massively right with car... that's it..
@@racerx94yeah but that doesn't change the fact the past was then. Let new talent get in and leave when motivation is gone. LH deserves better than Vettel's end, with a career dying like a flame of a night candle.
@@Buho641 we'll see next year... He doesn't seem motivated to race for 2nd, 3rd and so forth. He's used to an era where you could get the car right by spending when you get it wrong. A lot of these young guys, like George are happy to race for points. He's used to racing for wins, and Mercedes doesn't understand the ground effects era, and they can't spend their way out.. so they're lost. Maybe he's demoralized.. who knows.
@@racerx94👍 agree.
No, the Mercedes has been proven to be much better in the past and the drivers not that special. If both drivers have lost their mojo after getting a different car, the mojo was in the car.
Well Lewis Hamilton might win a race with Ferrari next year maybe.😊
Don't hold your breath first he has to beat Charles. I doubt he can even remember all the plans Ferrari have for each race. "We are going with plan g Lewis" Lewis "WTF just tell me when I have to come in guys"
@@TayebMC well hey maybe so but hey you never know and I get that it's been almost 20 years since Ferrari have won a championship and maybe they can win with Charles lecare and even Lewis Hamilton fans still say that he's going to win a 8th championship at Ferrari.
You guys are way too obsessed with this guy so in your minds the most important story is always a Lewis related story.
Its really funny to see how grown men can completely lose themselves in blind adoration for someone. Appreciating someones skills is the most human thing to do and there is nothing wrong with that. This is how we grow as a species, we inspire one and another to do great things themselves.
But where this society is completely losing its mind is in blind adoration and you guys have that. You call others Lewis Hamilton Evangelist but in reality you are talking about yourself. You adapt the 'Team LH' identity like grown adults call themselves Swifties because they like Taylor Swifts music. Thats is insane behavior to me.
Yes I like Max for his driving skills, but I dont adore him, why would I?
ToTo let too many people leave, probably for pay reasons. He invested in a team that was winning before he came there, so what did he build ?
What had they won before Toto arrived?
Get informed you 🤡
He built nothing. He bought into a team on the rise, got handed the most dominant engine in F1 history, and won championships without having to scrape for every tenth. Have a bad pit stop? Turn up party mode.
This is not a fair comment Toto was integral in building a solid Mercedes team
Since the introduction of the cost cap they can't just outspend everyone else anymore, it's the same with disallowing specialised qualification setups which was really only available to teams who could throw money at the problem. And suddenly mercedes are just mere mortals just like others.
Mercedes just need to breach their catering budget... then the team will build a rocketship of a car... just look at Red Bull
Never read the actual cost-cap report itself huh ? 🤡 Pure ignorance-dispenser 💩
andretti too buy the sinking Mercedes ship 👀😂😂😂
Ufffff! Can you imagine! That would be chaos. You love to see it right?
Lewis lied because the setup was exactly the same as George. So why did he lie? I do not understand this!
Or maybe George lied…
Or maybe both of them lied
Or maybe…neither of them did
@@tyredf1pod the info was from the engineer of Lewis. Who is always in his ear. Forgot his name. Bono?
@@tyredf1pod only one of these 2 has been the subject of " Liegate" back in 2009 and it wasn't Russell.
He didn't lie. They started with the same setup and then went different ways
Wow the hate for lewis...he lied because George said so..George appears that nice to you.
The downfall of Merc started when Ross Brawn left. Merc needs to bring back Ross Brawn to replace Wolf. Wolf has no knowledge or expertise to sort out the performance issues of their car.
Downfall started before winning 8 WCC titles? Ok
Wow - when things go downhill for me, I want it to be like Merc’s downfall
Also TP does not mean technical director, he’s not there to have expertise to sort out the performance issues of the car
@@baxtybf1 seeing what Ross Brawn has achieved in his career at Benetton, Ferrari, Brawn and the basis he put for Mercedes vs what Toto is doing at the moment, which is a total disaster, I think the guy might be right. Ross Brawn is a genius and one of the most brilliant minds F1 has ever seen, Toto Wollf is a businessman.
@@baxtybf1 When did that occur and who or what triggered it??
@@madalinbpopa I have come to the conclusion you know nothing
Max can bring Mercedes to Japan, order drivers can bring Mr. Ferrari to Japan, however Lewis Hamilton can't driver for Honda companies order drivers are able to, L.H did a new talent in sector that never seen or done before passing his old team mate stop being hatd on yourself L.H is a superior F1 driver
Forget Mercedes let’s give credit to Saint Hamilton for at least attempting to make his beloved F1 watchable again by going to Ferrari.
Unlike Max who only cares about records and stats Lewis gave Bottas and George in the second car equal opportunities as him. Almost forgot Rosberg. This is why I regard Lewis as the best driver on the grid currently. Lewis is not scared of teammate competition.
Alonso is more of the same as Max unfortunately.
Look at Max he does not like competition from his teammates he literally gets the best everything in that team. Checo’s car the Newey masterpiece is getting stuck in DRS trains. 🤷♂️. That’s not driver it’s car. How come this does not happen to Max’s car. 🤔
Hamilton did not want Verstappen at Mercedes, something Toto regrets now that he choose for Bottas 1.0, 2.0, 3.0. And Verstappen did beat Saiz, a topdriver, he did beat Ricciardo (who did beat 4 times world champion Vettel). He did beat all his opponements. He started at the age of 18 in the Red Bull and did win his first Grand Prix in the Red Bull. Since his age of 18 and driving for Red Bull (for 9 years now) he won each year at least 1 Grand Prix. Even when Red Bull ended third or second in the constructors championchip. When Mercedes ended third or second (2022, 2023) in the constructors championchip Hamilton did not 1 Grand Prix. Just facts. Difficult for me, because I like both drivers, but I do not like all the hate against Verstappen.
@@mynewsis4u2 No more hate than that made for Nelson Piquet in his day. Sometimes we get these uncharismatic characters in F1 like VER and Piquet. Glad most people see a lot has to do with the car he drives.
Also Marko’s hobbling of his teammates car which is clear for all to see on the straights has really rubbed fans the wrong way.
This is payback for Toto spending too much insinuating
the legality of others and not enough time on Benz………. The pace of the Red Bull is only frightening to the incompetent and in F1 it abounds from the teams and F1 it self………..