I Have Zero Credit and Tried Renting an Apartment
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You may have heard it’s impossible to rent an apartment or a house without a good credit score. But is this true? What if you don’t have a credit score at all? In today’s video, I call rentals across the country to ask them directly.
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My first time shopping for an apt I was 21, no credit and I went straight to the leasing office to apply. I mentioned I didn’t have credit so I wouldn’t pull up on a credit run. She was like, no credit is better than bad credit, no worries.
I'm 37 year old African American woman, I've never had any landlord check my credit. I've never had an eviction. I've only used private landlords, and just proved my income and I put up 2 month's rent.
I'll take a no credit over a bad credit.
Great video, George!
Now that you have your own channel, you guys should go off an old idea you had on The Ramsey Show: where you would go undercover to a timeshare presentation and pummel them with questions to expose the shady things going on there! Just to see them squirm, haha.
I would love to watch this 😂
Do it, George! I know you read the comments!
I fourth that !
Oh please do it.
Yes!!!!! I might even share that video!
George, Please don’t regret that joke. It was a solid Dad joke. Solid not runny 😂
I see what you did there! And I’m with you! George should never apologize for his jokes. The lamer the better!
Great video! I’m totally up for a small series. Renting cars next, buying a house, getting a credit report for work/background check. I can’t think of other things that I was told I’d need a credit number for, but I would love to hear about how I actually don’t need it!
I bought a house w a zero score.
I was helping coach an FPU coach and the leader told the class that you need a score for insurance. I immediately stepped in and corrected that. Absolutely not true. BAD credit will increase your payments but zero credit makes no difference
I always used a debit car for car rentals. I wouldn't anymore sense i had fraudulent charges to my bank account after renting a hotel room. It really jacked up a vacation i was on not having access to money because my account was frozen. I got a credit card after that first credit card ever at 51 years old.
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I’ve dealt w fraud w credit and debit cards. It will jack up a vacation for sure regardless if you don’t have a backup.
I drove to CA to see my friend and my credit AND debit card both got shut down because of suspected fraud. I literally wasn’t sure how to pay for gas to get home.
So having a credit card vs a debit card literally makes no difference. It’s the exact same hassle.
Now since then (this was about 9 years ago or so), any time I’ve encounter this, it is dealt is so much faster. Regardless of it being credit or debit, you need backups when traveling.
In my case it was a little bit difficult to rent a home wihtout credit score. Some landlords wanted up to 6 months of rent upfront - which was an issue after moving to the USA. Thankfully, we were able to find a landlord that was willing to rent us without any extra conditions. This was in Austin, Texas.
Oh yeah - FIRST! :D
Do you think being an immigrant might have been a factor?
@@JeanValjean875 It might have been, but I don't really know.
Also never pay that much rent in advance. You never know when you need to break the lease early.
Thank you for making this video. Makes me feel better with applying for an apartment without a credit score for the first time! You guys are the best ❤
Love hearing this! You made this video worth making. Best wishes!
can't wait to see how that turns out
In Oregon certain companies will deny you with no credit score or require upwards of $7k for deposits. Our baseline deposit is one months rent but they can increase it for very arbitrary reasons. One place I looked at a while ago was $1200 rent (reasonable) but the deposits would have been $4k to move in. Absolutely insane!
Oregon, especially Portland, is absolutely a horrible place to rent. I’m so glad we own our home!
$144k income to rent a studio in New York 😳🤦
I got your book and I’m sooo happy to have the chance to support you.
Thank you so much for buying the book!!
No one ever said you can't rent an apartment without a credit score. It just reduces your options - not every landlord will allow it.
I've heard several people say it. Lol
Or increases the cost by requiring a higher deposit or co-signer.
You call Pennsylvania they won’t even let you have a dog.
George, I just want to say you are my favorite personality.
Got an update: down to only 2 people I owe, my mother and sister are now on the plan, and I have 2nd round interviews on a new job!!
Congrats! you're killing it! :)
I loved how they all had to check. Lol...they never heard anyone say they have no debt and no credit score!
Your videos are so fun to watch! Thanks for brightening my day!
Great! Now let's do a mortgage next!
Bruh they talk about this all the time. You can call Churchill yourself and ask. I did it and the guy told me what they advertised
Thank you for making a video on this!!!! This is so clear, to the point, and helpful!! I still have relatives that believe the only way is through credit. :/ I'm glad I can share this with them now. 🎉
Great fun to watch your illustrative and informative video. Please make more like this!
Real world examples. Thank you for this.
This is the video I have been waiting for, thanks George
All thru high school when talking about credit cards I was told not to get a credit card, cuz ultimately they can really be something that could screw up your life and that it's just all around a bad idea. I still stick with that advice, a debit card or cash for me. I dont ever plan to own a credit card!
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Yeah….you kinda proved that having credit would HELP in the city’s.
Great video!
Ty George for the best stress reliever ever!! Proverbs 17:22❤🤩😊
As someone who followed the Ramsey way growing up, this really bit me when I was moving cities a few years ago. Landlord after landlord straight-up turned me down because I had no credit score, even though I made enough to more than qualify for the apartment by every other factor. I eventually did find a place, but it simply is false to say that you don't need a credit score to rent - some places you do. Is it dumb? Absolutely. But it's still the reality in many parts of the country.
I get it, but it shouldn't be this way. If more people stop using credit then this won't be a standard. As a landlord, I used credit to know if a renter was good or not... but I found that I couldn't use credit at all because most people that rent have bad credit... it's just a fact. I ended up not even using credit and just used income and calling their past landlords as a tool.
You don't, it just takes more time and searching to get a place.
@@src4409 so how would you treat a senior with an excellent credit score, but only pension income who is looking to test a city to see if they want to move there permanently?
@@kodomotachi1 If even one place will not rent to you unless you have a credit card, then the phrase "you don't need a credit score to rent" isn't true under all circumstances - i.e. it's a false generalization.
You just made George's point while trying to discount his message. You showed you do NOT need a credit score. He never said it was going to be seamless or smooth, just takes a little more effort - like your story!
Of course they are going to tell you that you can still apply. What they won't tell you is that they will pick a different tenant that has a good credit score instead.
This 100%. If it is a competitive rental with dozen of applicants, your will go straight to the bottom of the pile...
This is great!!
The higher deposit might be a hurdle for some people. I have seen apartments ask for 2 months of deposit for people with bad credit so I’m guessing it can get pretty expensive with no credit. Not advocating for debt but it can be cheaper to do stuff if you have good credit.
In this case, you have to weigh the pros and cons of not paying interest on debt. The average consumer will pay $130k in interest in there lifetime- surely putting a few extra down on a refundable deposit will be worth it
@@Pap-yy1xf You can have good credit without paying a dime in interest.
That happened to a friend of mine in Southern California. She rented through a management company. The late check fee was $50.00, three late checks and the renter was out. She mocked the contract she signed until her first late rent check (with $50.00 extra late fee added) overdrew her bank account (an additional $25.00 bank fee), then it was "Oh these people are bloodsuckers, they are ripping me off."
We told her the apartment sounded too expensive for her. 😂😂
Or just save two months rent...?
for sure
If you have a student loan, as soon as you’re done with college they will start reporting whether you pay or not. Many people are already in the credit score game before they even know it.
Although they're almost certainly using credit cards at 18, so...
That’s why they preach cash flowing your education. For one, you’ll be more likely to look at community colleges instead of expensive universities for the same education. That’s what I did: community college and spent my time either working, studying or going to class. Paid for my degree out of pocket
@@nicholasselke5214 Well not everyone’s parents are multi-millionaires so if you want a good-paying job, it’s either trade school, degree, or sell drugs like Big Meech lol
Just want to point out that this only works if you don't have a credit score. It doesn't work if you have a low credit score. If you have a score at all, they will use it. So It's better to pay off all your debts if you can.
What do you do about paying more for car insurance since rates are based on your credit score ?
I couldn’t afford to live in an apartment anymore. Wow. This has been enlightening.
Most private landlords don't require a credit score and have no way to even look it up. Just prove you have the income and/or savings to pay the rent and give me a security deposit. We discriminate against people with no job; no money; or "mommy will pay all my rent."
Agreed. When I got my apartment, my roommate had no credit. Was told explicitly no credit is always better than bad.
Not true at all, I always background check my tenents, there are a ton of apps for it and cost a mere $25 which I have the applicant pay, the only time I was stupid enough to not check was my very first tenant when I had zero experience in real estate and was naive and trusted people, they destroyed my apartment and disappeared without a trace, ever since then my property manager runs a full background and credit check, never had a problem since.
It's an apartment. It would have been a dump to begin with. @@StoicJohny
@@StoicJohny
You don’t charge an application fee to cover the background check? And you can look at credit history not the credit score.
You can run a credit check
A young coworker of mine had trouble finding a place. She had no credit and no history. One property refused her even after offering to pay the entire lease up front.
Can you make a video on how to book hotels or airbnbs without using a credit card? I have always been told I need to put my credit card down for a $100 “liability” charge. I have always paid for vacation with cash and it’s always a pain to find a hotel since I cut up all of my credit cards. Love the videos very excited for your book to be shipped out!
While waiting for a answer on the phone, I was waiting for the" If this call is an emergency please hang up an dial 911.
Congratulations, George, you proved that someone would need to prove their income, have more disposable income, and put more money up front to rent a property without a credit score. That's all well and good for people who can afford to do that, but that situation is certainly not going to apply to many of your followers.
We would definitely love to see more videos on how to live life without a credit score!! Trying to share all of this with our adult children.
This is great information to share. I love your videos! Thank you!
I’m closing in on retirement, and I'd love to move to a warmer climate, but home prices are ridiculous now.. do I look at other assets and wait for housing crash, or go ahead with house purchase anyways?
Prioritizing effective personal finance management holds greater significance than the sheer amount saved, irrespective of income source..
I wholeheartedly concur. At 60 years old and newly retired, my external retirement funds total around One million two hundred fifty thousand dollars.. With no debt and minimal retirement fund allocation relative to my portfolio's value over the last three years, I recognize the importance of a financial advisor.
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He appears to be well-educated and well-read. I ran a GOOGLE search on his name and came across his website; thank you for sharing.
Looks efficient from what i am seeing, maybe i will send a mail to get insights
There are a lot of things that you don’t need, but they sure do make life a lot easier, convenient, or less expensive. Sure, you don’t need a credit score per se, but using a little discipline to get a good credit score sure does make a lot of things easier to obtain & a lot less expensive over time, like getting a better interest rate on a mortgage.
It might be a good idea to apply gazelle intensity when you buy a house, and buy one that you can actually afford. It would usually be smaller than you want, but most people don’t need a house nearly as big as they’re buying
In my area, I can easily find a livable house for $120k. I take home about $60k per year. I’d have that house paid off in less than four years. Therefore, I’d pay far less in total interest than someone with an 850 credit score that takes the entire 30 years to pay off their mortgage
My daughter just got an apartment in Albuquerque. They made her pay a much larger deposit because she didn’t have a credit card.
Sounds like she didn’t shop around
Define “much larger”. To those of us without debt, “much larger” isn’t a problem. 😊
However, most apartments will require a higher to much higher deposit without a credit score. That's a huge difference.
Im okay to pay as long as it dosent require a credit score
You didn't even watch the video, did you?
I will not accept anyone who isn’t making 5x the rent, doesn’t have 6-12 months of reserves, or a 720+ credit score.
My partner rented to someone with no credit and we’ve spent over $22k and a year of our time dumping the bum back out on the street.
Never again…
You also don’t have to make 3 times rent at most places if you have 6 months rent in your bank account, well at least in sd. Which was helpful as a student.
The holding music 🤣
38x... WHO THE F**** are they trying to RENT TO.. NFL STARS??? New York Crazy as hell.
Yeah, it is possible but for those starting out in their career (lower income and no little savings for the extra large deposit) it can be anything from an expensive route all the way to a deal breaker. Non corporate landlords - which can be hard to differenciate from corporate ownership groups - is the best bet for no credit score unless you have a trust fund or a high entry level salary.
😂 I started to bust out laughing about the New York rent. Why do people live there ?
And how many times did they say no?
Of course that part was edited out.
No one say's you can't. It just makes it easier.
I can tell you from experience that having a moderately not awful credit score is very helpful in renting applications. When I had my best credit rating, I had very low cost move-in fees. When I had some issues, there would always be HUNDREDS of $$$ in extra fees. YOU DO NEED to have a solid credit history to make renting as cheap as possible.
Credit scores only exist in backwards hellholes like the USA.
I was never asked for a credit score when renting but the credit score was invaluable in securing a lower rate on my mortgage.
I appreciate what you're trying to do, but didn't you actually prove the point? Needing to come up with thousands of more dollars or have a ridiculously higher income does not answer the problem when you could use a credit card responsibly and save that money. I agree, if you're already making a very decent income, then maybe you have the luxury of having no credit score, but most people here aren't in that position.
That on hold music 😂
The way the dude worded it, you would need to make 38x3800 per month = 144,440 per month. When George asked if he just needed to make 144k per year, the guy said yes.
LOL, it had me scratching my head for the first moment.
lol why not just build your credit, like have a great payment history, keep your balances low and don't apply for a lot of credit. Paying an extra deposit makes it even more expensive.
Can you do another video where you show us how to go about getting a mortgage without a credit score? Underwriting?
I did it. Had to go through a mortgage company… I didn’t know about Churchill mortgage at the time… my credit union had never seen a zero credit score and didn’t know what to do w someone like me lol
Usually in my area deposit is a full rent month rent which you can get back if u show youve maintained your apartment when u leave. If u leave before 1yr lease u have t9 pay the additional months but some landlords are lenient with this. Michigan
I wonder if this works in the real world. Im pretty sure they would tell everyone that so they apply. After you apply, they will reject you and pocket the application fee.
Real life renter here -- no credit card/score, and still renting in good standing. Also have rented in multiple states across the US. It can be done.
America is not part of the real world. The real world laughs at America.
@@nathanorr1200 Friends and family don’t count bro.
@@15KHPCLUB Got that right. My parents kicked me out at 17... It can be done.
I had no idea that landlords or property mgrs would make it that easy. Back in the early '90s, I had a terrible credit score and was out of work. I came into a moderate amount of money and offered the landlord/owner of an apt complex to allow me pay 1 year up front. They gladly accepted -no problem. This was in Austin. Nice to know there's an easier, less expensive work-around.
Why should you live debt free? Because if you lose your job, you’ll be in trouble! ❤
Try to buy a house next please. Try to get better interest rate with no credit score as well.
Technically you may not need a score; however ridiculous rents and competition with others also needing to rent with scores may find you getting declined.
@@deathorjusticeaccurate
funny intro 😄
The guy at 2:30 hard baited me. I thought he mean 38x the rent per month!
I moved to US without a credit score. One month deposit was required, and salary requirement was 3 times the rent. Additionally, they insisted I pay my rent directly from payroll to a 3rd party company. The 3rd-party company will then pay on my behalf. What sucked most was that I have to pay the 3rd-party company monthly to pay my rent for me. These terms will be reviewed once I have built enough credit. Infuriating but I had to go with this arrangement.
Mr. Sunflower who can't rent a car at the Knoxville Airport needs to read the fine print of the rental car companies. Many of them say a credit card is absolutely required but in the fine print it explains a bunch of hoops you have to jump through to rent with a debit card. It's a little annoying, but definitely possible. Or an alternative could be to rent a car on Turo. Plenty of cars available to rent in Knoxville on Turo with no credit check required and debit cards accepted.
It is true that you don't NEED a credit score, but having a good score will open doors that you wouldn't have access to without a score.
All scores are bad.
Last week I viewed and applied to rent in a multi family home run by a family business. (Shout out the Kennedy's of Southern Iowa).
They didn't even look at our credit score, they did however call my church's treasurer and asked for my income as a pastor.
I needed to make 2250$ a month, with a 1450 deposit for a 2 bed 2 bath.
When the elder who owns the property saw my application he immediately approved and said I'm worth a 1000 credit score.
Not having to make extra deposits on things like rent and utilities are reason enough to have a good credit score. When I got my first cell phone, I didn't have a credit score and had to make a pretty sizable deposit, and I had to do the same thing when I got Internet. Now I don't have to do stuff like that.
In norcal you need 1st, last and and security deposit...PLUS you need to earn 3 times the monthly rent. Worry about credit later.
I’m not from USA and I never knew they look at your credit/debt rating when you rent. They dont even care about your income as long as you can pay the security deposit
I understand why you keep telling people it's bad to have a credit card, because some people don't have the discipline to pay off entire amount monthly, but if one does it actually makes life eaiser and saving faster. I can have my entire paycheck colecting month worth of interest while getting all my spending, that I of course fully budget for, on a credit card and then at the end of the statement period I pay the whole thing off. Never paid a single cent on interest rates on a cc, but earned extra money and extra bonuses from the cc and from having my salary untouched collecting interest.
If you can't budget don't have cc, but if you can, it will earn you more.
That just means you personally are comfortable with debt and that the credit card companies have done a good job advertising to you.
“I don’t know why you tell people not to gamble. I have a lot of fun playing blackjack every now and then”
@@autchicab it's not debt when I pay it immediately without any interest rate. And when I gain savings from it. Debt costs you more it doesn't give you extra.
@@aerated that makes absolutely zero sense as a comparison, I don't gamble with anything, there is no risk involved. There's no random chance involved. There is zero logic behind your statement.
@@eweliyi Don't bring logic into a Ramsey video. That's just asking to get roasted LOL
You need to make $140k to rent!??
So he proved the point that going through life without a credit score is more expensive. Deposits often don't come back to us, and it's not always fair. Also worth mentioning that in a if there is a competitive place, you're not going to be their top choice. They have other people with 800 scores that are a safer choice.
Ah yes, I do recall signing-up for an apartment. The rental group chose me alone over an entire family who signed-up ahead of me. I was chosen because I had superior credit. 😎
It's true, that if you don't have your heart set on a specific place, you don't have to have a credit score. On the other hand, a lot of apartments won't let you rent from them unless you can pass a combined Background Check/credit score. My apartment complex wouldn't let me rent without a credit score.
Why would you want to rent an apartment? They are not fit for human habitation.
The Texan option is the standard in the NL.
38 x the monthly rent! No wonder there is so much low income housing there. WTF!
I know it, the $3,800 monthly rent was for a STUDIO. A full time worker making the American median income can't even quite afford to share that one room unit with someone else who has the same income.
That is roughly equal to your monthly gross income being 3x the monthly rent. Which is actually a fairly common requirement, especially for properties around that price point.
Here in northern VA I rented an apartment and a house over the years.. Having an excellent credit score, and I still had to put down a month's rent as deposit anyway. So it really doesn't matter. It might have helped waive a water or electric turn on. But you get those back after a year anyway.
There is no such thing as an "excellent credit score".
Those fees without the waiver for electric and water are in the hundreds of dollars. I get what you're saying- but to really move out on your own these days into an apt. W/out credit score takes $1000s now. - not just a deposit and maybe a month's rent in advance
I have zero debt except $365k on a house working $900k, and a 829 credit score.
This was a good video, please more of this
yes , please a video about how to rent a car without credit card
When he said 38 time the rent, I thought he meant per month lol
now I'm gonna be a little bit of a party pooper here. the sample size is way too small to be accurate.
I never used my credit score to rent, but i always rented from individuals or as someone not on the lease with roommates. I don't see the harm in having a credit score, but to each their own. Its better to not owe than owe, so whatever it takes to do that is the right way IMO
Awesome
It's called I don't have Kamel to cosign or put in a good word for me
" I can vouch for him to pay on time "
Ok. That intro had me going full Emperor’s New Groove with “I DON’T MAKE DEALS WITH PEASANTS.” Biggest disappointment of my year so far lol
Fun fact: many countries don't use a credit system. Credit cards aren't pushed in many countries.
I was watching this but then i realized the house i rented through college mever asked for credit information
George is all of us while we’re on hold 😂
I'm going to cut up and cancel my credit cards this year. Been weaning myself off the past several months and transferring bill to my debit card.
I have no debt either and haven’t had for at least a decade. I have an 800+ credit score. I use a credit card for most purchases. If I need a big ticket item I use my savings.
So what is the reason for not using credit at all ?
The Ramsey people give advice meant for everybody and most people don't do a good job with credit cards.
The Ramsey personalities think people are stupid so math doesn't matter.
When you talk about Trad vs Roth 401k's, you shouldn't compare (22500 Trad) vs (22500 Roth) because the take home would be significantly different. You would instead need to compare (22500 Trad) vs (16000ish Roth) OR (22500 Trad + Invest the difference into a brokerage) vs (22500 Roth). But the Ramsey personalities say things like "well people are stupid and they don't invest the difference so Roth is better because it tricks them into saving more".
They tell people to pay off low interest rate mortgages because "interest arbitrage only makes sense if you invest the difference and people are stupid and don't do that so paying off your mortgage is the correct thing to do."
"People are paying 20-30% interest to gain points, credit cards are the devil. They will ruin your life." I too have never paid a cent of interest on a credit card and I don't have to jump through any weird hoops when taking a loan out on a vehicle and I don't have to worry about the bank freezing my account and spending a month doing an "investigation" when I have fraud. Instead I call up my CC company and go "that wasn't me" and they reverse the charge, cancel the card, and send me a new one.
I am putting $ away in a HYSA for a new car but you bet your ass if I get a low interest rate than I am going to beef up my EF to handle the extra monthly payment and slam the rest into VOO.
If I ever get a house with a low interest mortgage, you bet your ass I won't be making extra payments on that mortgage... any extra will go straight into VOO.
And I will get those low interest rates using my long perfect credit history.
IDK why they chose to tell people they are stupid and shouldn't do this or that when they could instead educate people on how to properly arbitrage low interest debt and how to properly use credit cards.
I also don't understand why they don't just admit that a $1000 emergency fund is no longer enough. Just say "save up 1 months expenses that can't be put on a credit card such as rent and utilities. From there pay down high interest debt. Once that is done, increase your EF to 3-6 months total expenses." Personal Finance subreddit has a good flow chart that I feel is way better than any BS the Ramsey people spew.
IUL's are terrible. That is something I agree with. But the answer to why an IUL is bad is that you are better off with Term Life and investing the difference. Why they are OK with educating people on the proper way to handle life insurance but refuse to apply the same logic to 2-3% mortgage vs 8-10% S&P500 is beyond me.
Oh they have you well trained. The concept of credit scores is absurd and is only used in hellholes like the USA
Now buy auto insurance in a state where credit scores are factored into determining the rate, and see the shocking difference between what it costs with no credit score vs having very good or exceptional credit!😜
38x rent yearly is ROUGHLY the same as 3x rent monthly (38 vs 36) and so NYC is not that bad since there is no increased deposit.
One is income burden and the other is income plus deposit $$$ burden
Can you make a video about the process of selling a car you’re underwater on? Getting a loan, transferring title, etc. that’s one of those things that’s mentioned all the time on the Ramsey show but idk how it actually works
Why would you sell it?
Does it not run and drive or you just wanna one-up your friend’s mommy-bought Beamer?
@@15KHPCLUB no my car is paid for and doing just fine, thank you. Although I appreciate the condescension towards a total stranger.
Actually, I was referring to the advice that is given almost daily by Ramsey personalities to callers who owe say 30k on a car that’s worth 25. The advice is always to get a personal loan for the different and enough to buy a cheap car in cash, then sell the car private party, thus reducing your debt from 30k to maybe 10.
I have seen a lot of people in the comments confused about how to sell a car private party when you still owe money on it, and I just thought it would be helpful for George to give a walkthrough on the process
I have a credit card score that varies between 750 to 810. I've never had anything good come from it. Nothing bad either. But it's like the price of tea in China.