THANK YOU FOR MAKING VIDEOS LIKE THIS. Also you're hilarious and I love that your videos aren't overly edited. You're just being your own (somewhat goofy) self and it's so refreshing. This is what good vlogging used to be. And your reactions and tests are the best way to get unbiased and unhindered detailing product information for my mobile detailing business...BOOM
Every single time I type something in the search bar, Forensic Detailing always has an answer for me within the 1st few results, absolutely 100% the 1st channel I jump to. Thank you as always mate.
“Smorgasbord”................ hahaha, you’re hilarious. I’m chuckling to myself constantly during your content. Keep it coming. Incidentally, the detailing stuff is interesting too. 😉
I love old TAC System Moonlight ! I rate it and great to see it still there at 6 months on 👌 so easy to apply, hydrophobic and and durable... got to be one of the top protection products out there. Top 5 even....
Great video Jon. A lot of time and effort put in. I 100% agree with you on this. I prefer a 6-12 month product. I enjoy detailing my car and between 6 and 12 months I want to be doing a full decontamination detail, polish and fresh protection coating.
I applied tac moonlight back in September based on your recommendation and all I can say is thank you. My black car has managed to look good and shiny till now. It’s done an incredible job of keeping water spots away too. My only complaint is that the little pump on the bottle has stopped working, but it’s not a big deal since I don’t apply it by spraying anyway. It’s much easier to apply than something like the TW ceramic stuff
I would not spray this stuff around seb. use the nipple applicator like you see on mine. this stuff sets hard like ceramics and it will set in the triggers..
@@ForensicDetailing , sure, Jon. I put it straight on the ultra plush microfibre cloth created by virgins and apply it that way. It was either this channel, or another detailing one, where I learned ages ago about the dangers and waste of spraying stuff like this around. I did use the trigger but only to spray it straight into the cloth and it set like you said. It was actually your video from a few years back about moonlight that got me to try it. Thank you for this channel, even though my garage is starting to rapidly look like yours, but at least I only have 1 flex charger.
Thank you for the results. It is kind of what I expected, though KC Nano did poorly, so strike that off the list. What it has shown to me, especially looking back at the original comments is how many people thought the Turtlewax products were gonna be top 3. That is interesting because they think that product is more durable than it is because of bottle claims and because of its very high short term chemical resistance, which almost all think is the same as durability. As this video shows, it isn't! It also shows that people clearly don't actually know how durable the products are on their own cars. It is highly likely any water behaviour seen from products like Turtlewax/Collinite/BSD after a month or so is from the toppers being no doubt used, with the base product much less strong than they think and argue. One final thing to see if I'm not going mad - BSD and PNS for me are severely degraded by alkaline products (Autofoam in particular). Not for telly, but for knowledge, could you run a side by side of one of them hit with 5% Autofoam and a pH neutral product to see if it is just me and a few others?
Jon buddy, I got dizzy trying to watch this. I decided to just listen to your narrative vs trying to watch it. Better luck next time. I was happy to hear about TAC Moonlight even though after watching this video I felt like I have been drinking moonshine from Kentucky. 🤣😂
Great video! I've had Fusso Coat on my 330ci for over 12 months now and it's still beading like a champion. She is a garage queen so that helps but I've hit it multiple times with heavy degreasers, dish soap, you name it. Nothing. Wanted to ceramic coat it but honestly I won't bother. I'll just reapply Fusso and gloss up a bit more with BSD.
garage makes huge diff andrew. fusso will not be beading after 12 months normally. if left outside after 3 months it will be repellent but the zing will be gone but it will keep going for a good 7-9 months outside in the UK.
Great update mate. 👍 This is a timely video. I had cause to polish a rear panel last week. New car. Once done I loaded some Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic spray to match the rest of the car. (Weather’s been rubbish so easiest to do for now). When I’d done that, I sprayed water over it to test and it was beading far less than the rest of the car. A little head scratching and then I realised. It beads so well because I wash with Autoglym UHD shampoo. The difference is gob smacking. UHD shampoo throws the water off like crazy. To me this proves, as had been said time and time again, a clean car is the best car. 👍👍 Keep up the great work matey boy. 👏👏👏👏
Great video Jon, surprised to see Fusso didn't make it to 6 months, seen reports of 12 months before. Would love to see you try our Ceramic Detailer some time :)
The big take from this test is how similar these spray on si02 sprays are. I've been hooked on buying and using new ones when there's not much difference. Coated my car again with double speed and was really pleased with the finish and durability. Paste wax for the win
some can last like 6 weeks like gyeon cure (claims 6 week as well credit to them there) some can geuinely do 6 months. I think they all seem to slick up nicely. Ive honestly not used a bad one. some bead like crazy like meguiars cermaic detailer, some sheet like remax etc.. but yer I dont think Ive used a bad one so far.
@@ForensicDetailing I've always been a big fan of sonax bsd especially for the price. I like to use a paste wax then use these products as toppers. Moonlight is definitely something I like the look of and Carpro lite.
Part of what we do is for the enjoyment and satisfaction. Much more involving to apply a paste and buff off than a spray product. Its not all just for the result.
Enjoyed the real world testing Jon 👍 In my opinion the only real way to properly test product durability claims. I have still not got around to purchasing a bottle of moonlight. Definitely think it's on the cards once my Gyeon Cancoat runs out which is possibly this coming summer. Thanks for the great content & keep it coming bud 👍
Disappointed in soft99 compared to what it uses to be, what a shame, but I imagine health and safety kicked in and the company needed to produce a safer product to use. Another excellent video Jon.
What's wrong with the old Fusso as far as H&S is concerned in your opinion? I think most lasting products these days require good ventilation, gloves, etc but I don't get why it would not be deemed safe by today's standards.
I was going to add the same thing, love your videos Jon but boy this one made me feel I was back on a cruse ship in bad weather and my wife shacking me to wake me up. Stay well
Great video like always. You have got to test Krystal Kleen Detail Si-Stal! One of my fav entry ceramic coatings and it pushes easily to 12 months. The best part it is so user friendly!
many thanks Jon, always above and beyond sir! 👌. Expected a bit more from TW and Meg's, not surprised by CG and a few others. Inf Wax QDX Ceramic and the new QDX Graphene might be worth checking, just got the Graphene to test before Xmas, but weather been crap. TW's new Hybrid Pro Graphene range due in UK end of Jan. 🐢 Might need check out Tac Moonlight from I2D, but eagerly awaiting the new Hybrid range from AM Details, applied sample hybrid sealant and detailer to my bonnet nearly 3 months ago, and going well and car is outside 24x7, even seagull 'presents' don't bond.
No way...a Chemical Guys product was the worst performing🙄😋 I'm glad YOUR bottle of Moonlight lasted 3 years, my bottle solidified after a year and it stayed in my kitchen pantry 24/7. Kinda surprised Hybrid Solutions Ceramic spray didn't make it past 6 months, hmmm😑 Great test John
I use Autoglym UHD wax, then after every other wash Autoglym aqua wax to top up durability, find it a great Combination, Easily last 12 months ready for Decon and reapplying
As always Dave down to the nuts and bolts and no BS showing like it is which I was surprised by some of the results but yes if you're not wearing a hazmat suit when applying these nano coatings you're only looking at about six months surprised some of them failed after 3 months I think the most you want is at least 6-months especially over the winter period end of September must must must survive to the end of March with a little water-based spray in the middle of January just to top it up up which you know can be a bastard if you haven't got a garage yes absolutely surprised by some of the results but obviously the new turtle Wax graphene products are coming out out which I think could be a little game changer for the home DIY weekend Warrior is graphene going to be Holme detailers six month friend
I use 5th element over the winter months b/c of how cold and sharp the titanium makes my paint look in the low light of winter, and the wax really holds up. I do keep my ride in the garage. I wonder if Moonlight, lite and can coat are close to the same formula since they’re within the same family? Dunno. Rule Britannia, Dad. 😘
Carpro lite for me. Tac seems to be hit or miss for some people. Only thing holding me back from graphene is the price. Maybe next year when the price comes down
Great video! I’m thinking of using wax after wash on my Rc. Do you know what happens if I use it on bearings? I want a non sticky surface to protect them from dirt and water. Also do I absolutely have to wipe the Rc car after using wax or can I just spray it on and let it be?
Been using AngelWax 5th element for years and had 6-9 months but again as you say an older tub of wax might loose it’s magic. Would love to see how AngelWax enigma would hold up on this test Jon
Interesting test and great video. I think a fairer wax to use from Angelwax would've been Guardian because they claim 6 months+ on that one, or of course Enigma for 12 months+
Another good video, thanks. I’m working my way through your back catalogue. Having since watched your ‘last man standing’ video where your Moonlight was ‘off’ (5years), your comments here regarding shelf life and volume struck a cord with me. I think this of a lot of my products, they come in too big a bottle/tub for the ‘home detailer’ who wants to try new things. The danger is you end up with a shelf full of half used products. I like for instance that BH do their Finis wax in a 50ml tub, that’ll be my next to try. Why don’t more brands do this?! Is it not cost effective (same packaging needed, same shipping, small retail price) or do they maybe want to keep you ‘hooked’ to their product (or away from others)?
I have a 2017 Vauxhall Corsa VXR. Can not find a video that shows the best Rain/windshield sealing? This "Make the water fall of" thing. And helps make the windwiels easy to clean
Excellent review Jon. What would be interesting to know if the graphene coating is better at reducing swirl marks etc, is it genuinely the future or marketing hype?
@@ForensicDetailing yes I guess you're right. It's just that graphene is reputed to be 200 times stronger than steel (and the toughest molecular structure known to man) which is why it's turning up in a sealant with supposedly 5 years durability....
Id of expected AG Uhd to have performed better than it did too be honest with all their claims of improvement. Ill probably stick with it through the summer months but unlikely to use it in the winter
Interesting with the Britemax EE 2.0 as mine did exactly the same thing. I contacted Britemax directly who couldn't offer an explanation. They did send me some new goodies though.
Hi John, new to the detailing scene this past year, if there is one true test to test durability take you car on the motorway during the rain, I have tried loads of your recommended products and in the main they all work well and offer good protection except for the door panels which get the worst of wet road which has an abrasive effect on any applied protection, when I carry out my weekly maintenance wash the door panels are the only panels which have lost their hydrophobic properties. Anyway, I’m away to check out how much it is for moonlight or Carpro lite...Cheers
Fusso IS the 12 Month product. Soft99 are the company. Fusso is the 12 Month paste it 7 month liquid. New paste has a different formula which has less toxic chemicals in. Better for the skin, worse for durability.
Jon dont you think that these products that only last 2-3 months that are a hastle to apply are obsolete. The newish Wet-applied products are so much easier to apply and you rinse them off and your done.
hmm it depends I think a base like post polish product should really do 6-12. And then like the water base spray products can top them up.. but some products like megs liquid wax I really like even though its durability is not great because I can whack it on a DA and sort of scrub up the paintwork very rapidly and it buffs nice.. so its a bit like using an AIO even though its a liquid wax. I dont mind doing this 3-4 times a year.
Just my two penneth; I’ve fallen back to C2V3 then topped with Vonixx Blend spray, durable base topped with insane water behaviour. I had an epiphany on looking in the garage cupboard, loads, and I mean loads of products; the majority 98% full after a single use and discard. So, I decided to stand back, tired of spending out month on month on the latest fancy sprays etc only for them to join the collection. Had a mad cull and gone back to what suits my paint and application and I’m far happier with the results unlike my credit card company. Nowt against what Jon does or any host [as Jon mentions happy to hit something like Moonlight and top with a shine wax as and when] but believe it is more important to have a very regular and practiced safe wash & touchless drying routine, even if just dust and watch the water behaviour to judge re-application / top ups. Happier with my hobby and have more disposable for “care” type, trusted products rather than just the latest.
@@13pcbs cheers. I think with C2v3 you really need to have the paintwork well prepared to use first. They recommend using it to bare paintwork ie not applying anything else first like a wax or other sealant
My two penneth is that it isn’t all that. It does work better on bare prepped paint, but what doesn’t? If you want a similar product for cheaper, that lasts at least as well try CarPlan Supergloss No.1.
Could you please test liquid luster there’s local stores down where I live and they still sell the hell out of liquid luster people love that stuff. is it really that good?
Wow Angelwax's fifth element just 3 months... Let's hope it's like you said and not the usual performance of it? I applied Enigma on my car and i also can't believe it'll stay on for 12 months or more, now after 3 months it's already showing signs of losing hydophobic behavior. Can't imagine using enigma shampoo and enigma QD would add months of extra durability? What do you think Jon?
Great video John, thanks for the work. It's a shame Turtle Wax have bought out the Flex Wax which seems to run rings around stuff isn't it 😂 I must give Moonlight a go though.
flex wax is not going there to be like mega long lasting. I think seal and shine and ceramic spray have more durability. flex wax is there to be able to everything I think, trim, alloys, glass, Topper, or based sealant, or a wet coat style product.
@@ForensicDetailing I'm certainly keen to see how it works out but I suspect you'd get 4 months+ based on the other reviews done by the colonials 😂. It's out performed seal and shine in every test I've watched this far but I of course wait to see your review and testing too, although I do trust Brian at Apex Detailing for his views too. I used Rinse Wax for the first time today btw, holy shit! ho.ly.shit.
@@ForensicDetailing I suspect Hydrophobic wax (seal and shine) can be applied just the same as flex. I can see in our shower tray the half where I sprayed half the glass panels with it. In the tray was only over spray and rinse as it wasn't intentional application.
Chemical resistance isn’t the same as duration durability. This test highlights it. Don’t think a massively chemically resistant product is automatically gonna last 6 months+, if it is a water based product, only a few do.
Here's a question for detaillers, I detail my car and always give it a good protective coating for the winter but I have noticed that there is always beaded water sitting on my car where my next door neighbours car is bone dry long before mine will be and they do not do anything to their car. This means at night when it freezes I end up with a thick layer of ice on my car which only gets thicker if left while my neighbour does not suffer this to the same degree. It just seems like my detailing efforts are making things worse rather than better.
lots of people talk about beading causes issues for them with water spots. but hydrophillic products get slated because they look dead.. its a bit like emporers news clothes :) people slate jetseal for example as not lasting long.. but its acyrlicic polymer which is not hydrophobic. Perhaps something like jetseal would be cool for you. try it because it glosses up the paint nice.
If you’re in the uncivilized world like me, Feynlab quick detailer v3 is a great sheeter (it’s supposed to be a topper for their coatings, but can be a stand alone) or ammo nyc reboot enamel coat.
I haven't done much with my bottle of Moonlight so good to know it'll still be OK and is good stuff! Should I be throwing away the applicator and downgrading removal towels to engine bay work, like suggested with full blown ceramics?
you probably should yes. applicator defo.. buffing cloths.. relegation is good compramise. I dont know, I dont have a strong opinion on this I know guys that say you can carry on using them on panels afterwards.. maybe its a bit hardcore but when I tested this.. a cloth re-used after buffing ceramic seems to scratch more.
Jon / followers. You do a fair bit of work outside. Any recommendations for detailing glasses to reduce glare etc / any experience of lens colour to pick up imperfections?
@@ForensicDetailing Jon, for info, Bolle Rush with Twilight lens less than ten quid. When asessing in full sun they completely take out the "snow glare", sighting the panel is like a deep after wax depth/ lusture, with minor swirls n nics clearly visible but withouot any of the eye strain.
Hi Looking for a little advice as I would like to know what's the best long lasting ceramic/wax coating that I can apply outdoors. I have been using R222 carnauba wax but there's a lot of choice out there. I wash my car quite a bit as its always outside & would like a longer lasting product with the same amount of gloss if possible.
R222 is the least durable product ont he market (looks awesome though on application) Something like Gyeon MOHS ceramic caoting is about as durable a consumer coating is. Other than this. Old Fusso Wax or Turtle Wax Seal and Shine or TAC moonlight or Jescar Ultralock plus. alll good options.
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks for the quick reply, so all of these are ok for outdoor applications. I also considered meguiars ceramic hybrid as you can top it up. Can't believe I have been using a product I thought was one of the best, thanks for saving me a lot of work for a short space of time
Does the spray sealants/ spray waxes/ ceramic sprays harden on the microfibre towel even if properly washed therefore micro marr scratching the cars paint next time you go to dry it? How can I know for sure?
@@ForensicDetailing is there a way to find out which sprays chemicals will be easier to wash off? for example short term protection sprays, sio2 or how to wash the microfibre is it with a dedicated microfibre wash liquid or using a APC etc? Thank you Jon
Wh3n I click on the Tac Moonlight link it takes me to a bottle with a spray nozzel, not the drip lid your bottle has. Is it a new product or just a new bottle top? Don't want to buy the wrong one lol
Just wondered what you thought. used BH double wax 4 months ago. Too cold to spend +1hr so used Turtle Wax Sealant as a 'top-up' until April/May time. Good or bad idea?
4 1/2 months into using Turtle Wax Hybric Ceramic (Polish & Wax, then 2x Ceramic Sparay Coating), plenty of rain, grime, snow and road salt. Still giving full protection, just washed monthly with Car Pro Valet. I've not even bothered to use the Wet Wax, so zero added protection since first application.
Hi, When are you going to test the new Turtlewax Hybrid Solutions Pro Graphene Flex Wax? It seems to have great reviews from USA. I am interested to see what you think in comparison to the existing Hybrid Ceramic Spray!
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks! Look forward to it. Great Channel, Great Content. I have really enjoyed getting into detailing in the last year due to you.
In terms of using Moonlight, with it being a light ceramic coating. If im applying this am I going full decon and to the degree of paint correction? Second part of the question is after the 12months is up what sort of decon is required to remove the coating? Thanks
you are the only person that can answer this question :) You decon if you have contamination to remove right, so who can tell if there is contamination to remove. ONLY YOU because I cant see or touch the car. you have to check this and decide. you dont apply a base line product like moonlight on top of a contaminated car. Same principle applies with the state of paintwork. you polish a car if the paintwork looks bad and you want to remove swirls and gloss it up. Who can see the paintwork and decide, ONLY YOU. you have to decide and answer these questions. this is a FUNDAMENTAL thing people dont understand and I get asked it hundreds of times a week. This means I should probably shoot a video on this. So I will explain it more on the channel.
@@ForensicDetailing to be honest I just wanted to be sure I was attacking the job the right way. Not being familiar with Moonlight I was sure if it was like a spray coating etc as I haven't seen it applied. But now you have replied with the above I understand that the way I was going to proceed is the correct way and I should tackle it in the usual way as if I was going to correct the paintwork and get the car in its best condition. But an application video would be very useful and many thanks for replying.
hey jon, why is it so hard to find any tests involving any swissvax waxes ? detailing world is the only one i can find and the swiss tested is failing during the test, admittedly im sold on fusso original (still available here in oz) but would be interested to compare it with other products under the same banner ie wax, anything you can throw together for a review ?
Im gonna try and borrow a SW wax... but dont expect these waxes to have good durability they just wont.. they use oil in them.. they are not really durability products. you wont find any wax on the planet that lasts longer than old fusso. And you will struggle to find a carnuba wax that outsides BH double speed. but do we really just want durability?
@@ForensicDetailing yeah there are so many different markets or people with different wants likes needs etc, love your complete reviews, anyway i hope your familiar with young ones as everytime i hear you voice the song allo Jon got a new motor comes in to my head lol, keep it real mate 100%
sorry Matt I dont but in the description are videos are various intervals. at the moment Im working 12 hours a day on some other stuff and I just dont have the time to look back and document things like this.
Have you ever tried #111 w/the PBA? I ask because #111 is a PURE sealant whereas #105 has cleaners in it. I haven't used DG is years now, still in my collection though🤔
@@klasseact6663 Thank's :) yes I'm aware of 111 , but the fact that 105 has cleaners in it makes it better than 111 in my eyes. I don't need to go full on OCD with decontamination , or just no decontamination at all. Matter of fact It's been 2 years no decontamination what's so ever ,just using 105+601 every 5-6 months.
@@dimmacommunication that's pretty impressive! I had a brand new Honda CRZ back in 2011 and used #111 on it ALOT and the car glowed and when combined with Blackfire Seal and Shine, the paint had a "candy" look to it. I've sworn to apply some to my current ride for a trip down memory lane. Heck, I remember using #101 as well even. Btw, do you use Aqua Wax🤔
@@ForensicDetailing yeah I gave it a shot on an old C1 I was running. I gave it some love first lockdown and the car was looking pretty good. To cut a long story short, I bought something else and with being busy stored it on my mates drive. It's still looks honesty really good! Beads still etc etc I used some on my old mx5 too and it held up well too
1st off, thanks for the videos, the content is ALWAYS tip top! PLEASE could you answer a question I’m going round in circles with online? IS THERE A PROPER COATING (graphene etc) THAT CAN BE APPLIED & CURED FULLY OUTDOORS, NO GARAGE/COVER REQUIRED??? Thanks 🙏
its a long answer unfortuetly there are temp requiresment with coatings.. typically go sub 5 deg and the carrer wont flash. so most normal single layer 1 shot coatings could be applied outside at certain times of the year anyway.. but its all about risk or poor results, risks can be controlled and are small but consequences to poor results can be very high with ceramic coatings. to remove a poorly installed coating properly could be days of work. but there are coatings which cure faster and are more suited to use outside but even these cannot be used in all scearios. Ive not used them so I cant comment how effective.
@@NipponStiqqyPaint cheers for the info; I’ll look into it but I’m FAR from a pro so it’ll be interesting to see if this has a close enough match to anything else I can use...
these results are pretty normal. you can make these products last longer if you do certain things but I didnt want to delve into all this I just wanted to show the products show results say what was done.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING VIDEOS LIKE THIS. Also you're hilarious and I love that your videos aren't overly edited. You're just being your own (somewhat goofy) self and it's so refreshing. This is what good vlogging used to be. And your reactions and tests are the best way to get unbiased and unhindered detailing product information for my mobile detailing business...BOOM
Every single time I type something in the search bar, Forensic Detailing always has an answer for me within the 1st few results, absolutely 100% the 1st channel I jump to.
Thank you as always mate.
Thank you sir
“Smorgasbord”................ hahaha, you’re hilarious. I’m chuckling to myself constantly during your content. Keep it coming. Incidentally, the detailing stuff is interesting too. 😉
and used it twice.............. i bet he was on a special prize to see if he could use the word without breaking into a laugh
I love old TAC System Moonlight ! I rate it and great to see it still there at 6 months on 👌 so easy to apply, hydrophobic and and durable... got to be one of the top protection products out there. Top 5 even....
Love your work rate mate, mint video as usual, hope you’re well John 👍
I put moonlight on my MIL’s car 3 months ago, I can’t believe how good it still looks.
Great video Jon. A lot of time and effort put in. I 100% agree with you on this. I prefer a 6-12 month product. I enjoy detailing my car and between 6 and 12 months I want to be doing a full decontamination detail, polish and fresh protection coating.
I applied tac moonlight back in September based on your recommendation and all I can say is thank you. My black car has managed to look good and shiny till now. It’s done an incredible job of keeping water spots away too. My only complaint is that the little pump on the bottle has stopped working, but it’s not a big deal since I don’t apply it by spraying anyway. It’s much easier to apply than something like the TW ceramic stuff
I would not spray this stuff around seb. use the nipple applicator like you see on mine. this stuff sets hard like ceramics and it will set in the triggers..
@@ForensicDetailing , sure, Jon. I put it straight on the ultra plush microfibre cloth created by virgins and apply it that way. It was either this channel, or another detailing one, where I learned ages ago about the dangers and waste of spraying stuff like this around. I did use the trigger but only to spray it straight into the cloth and it set like you said. It was actually your video from a few years back about moonlight that got me to try it. Thank you for this channel, even though my garage is starting to rapidly look like yours, but at least I only have 1 flex charger.
This was brilliant. We get so caught up in show scene product, I've even fallen victim to the peer pressure of buying a fancy bottle and nice smell.
I can see boxes of TAC moonlight selling this week.
Already sold out
It’s like hens teeth. Can’t find it anywhere
Brilliant video. Hope people appreciate the time you put into these tests 👌
Interesting results.
Almost shows that having lots of products is almost redundant now 🤔
Thank you for the results. It is kind of what I expected, though KC Nano did poorly, so strike that off the list.
What it has shown to me, especially looking back at the original comments is how many people thought the Turtlewax products were gonna be top 3. That is interesting because they think that product is more durable than it is because of bottle claims and because of its very high short term chemical resistance, which almost all think is the same as durability. As this video shows, it isn't!
It also shows that people clearly don't actually know how durable the products are on their own cars. It is highly likely any water behaviour seen from products like Turtlewax/Collinite/BSD after a month or so is from the toppers being no doubt used, with the base product much less strong than they think and argue.
One final thing to see if I'm not going mad - BSD and PNS for me are severely degraded by alkaline products (Autofoam in particular). Not for telly, but for knowledge, could you run a side by side of one of them hit with 5% Autofoam and a pH neutral product to see if it is just me and a few others?
Jon buddy, I got dizzy trying to watch this. I decided to just listen to your narrative vs trying to watch it. Better luck next time. I was happy to hear about TAC Moonlight even though after watching this video I felt like I have been drinking moonshine from Kentucky. 🤣😂
Great video! I've had Fusso Coat on my 330ci for over 12 months now and it's still beading like a champion. She is a garage queen so that helps but I've hit it multiple times with heavy degreasers, dish soap, you name it. Nothing. Wanted to ceramic coat it but honestly I won't bother. I'll just reapply Fusso and gloss up a bit more with BSD.
garage makes huge diff andrew. fusso will not be beading after 12 months normally. if left outside after 3 months it will be repellent but the zing will be gone but it will keep going for a good 7-9 months outside in the UK.
Great update mate. 👍
This is a timely video.
I had cause to polish a rear panel last week. New car.
Once done I loaded some Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic spray to match the rest of the car. (Weather’s been rubbish so easiest to do for now).
When I’d done that, I sprayed water over it to test and it was beading far less than the rest of the car. A little head scratching and then I realised. It beads so well because I wash with Autoglym UHD shampoo.
The difference is gob smacking. UHD shampoo throws the water off like crazy.
To me this proves, as had been said time and time again, a clean car is the best car. 👍👍
Keep up the great work matey boy. 👏👏👏👏
Great video Jon, surprised to see Fusso didn't make it to 6 months, seen reports of 12 months before. Would love to see you try our Ceramic Detailer some time :)
Wasn’t the 12m fusso he used it was their speed and barrier
@@markmccallum2320 he used both.
The big take from this test is how similar these spray on si02 sprays are. I've been hooked on buying and using new ones when there's not much difference. Coated my car again with double speed and was really pleased with the finish and durability. Paste wax for the win
some can last like 6 weeks like gyeon cure (claims 6 week as well credit to them there) some can geuinely do 6 months. I think they all seem to slick up nicely. Ive honestly not used a bad one. some bead like crazy like meguiars cermaic detailer, some sheet like remax etc.. but yer I dont think Ive used a bad one so far.
@@ForensicDetailing I've always been a big fan of sonax bsd especially for the price. I like to use a paste wax then use these products as toppers. Moonlight is definitely something I like the look of and Carpro lite.
Part of what we do is for the enjoyment and satisfaction. Much more involving to apply a paste and buff off than a spray product. Its not all just for the result.
Bought a purple flex pad, perfect finish and TAC moonlight based on your recommendations! My Cupra is going to look immaculate
Brilliant Channel this, finding my way back to Detailing after years of owning company cars. Caught the bug again, keep up the great work!
its addcitive :) enjoy mate thanks for the positive vibes
tac system is seriously perfect.thank u for video man :)
I knew you would go for this test eventually buddy. Great video
A lot of work went into this!
cheers chris
@@ForensicDetailing have you ever tried tech shine
Brilliant test, love the longevity you’ve highlighted - just bought some moonlight Gov’ top man
Makes me feel better because I’m not sure if I’ll run out of moonlight anytime soon and I put it on my trim, wheels and paint, a great product.
Enjoyed the real world testing Jon 👍
In my opinion the only real way to properly test product durability claims. I have still not got around to purchasing a bottle of moonlight. Definitely think it's on the cards once my Gyeon Cancoat runs out which is possibly this coming summer.
Thanks for the great content & keep it coming bud 👍
TAC Moonlight and Gyeon Cancoat have done the best for me so far. I’m testing 303 Graphene right now, I think it will do good for a solid year.
Disappointed in soft99 compared to what it uses to be, what a shame, but I imagine health and safety kicked in and the company needed to produce a safer product to use. Another excellent video Jon.
I remember testing the old one a smiliar way and it was more durable than this new one.
What's wrong with the old Fusso as far as H&S is concerned in your opinion? I think most lasting products these days require good ventilation, gloves, etc but I don't get why it would not be deemed safe by today's standards.
I'm disappointed because I've just bought a tub 🥺
Please my friend, when you film up close, move the camera less quickly, it makes you want to 🤮. Lol 😂 😉, good review!
exactly....rumblerama...smooth camera work please Jon! Keep up the good work!
Was about to post the same. You pan way too fast friend. Otherwise, great video.
I was going to add the same thing, love your videos Jon but boy this one made me feel I was back on a cruse ship in bad weather and my wife shacking me to wake me up. Stay well
Agreed.
Same comment. Impossible for me to watch full video 🤢
Brilliant committment to doing this over 6 months 👍.
Great video like always. You have got to test Krystal Kleen Detail Si-Stal! One of my fav entry ceramic coatings and it pushes easily to 12 months. The best part it is so user friendly!
many thanks Jon, always above and beyond sir! 👌. Expected a bit more from TW and Meg's, not surprised by CG and a few others. Inf Wax QDX Ceramic and the new QDX Graphene might be worth checking, just got the Graphene to test before Xmas, but weather been crap. TW's new Hybrid Pro Graphene range due in UK end of Jan. 🐢
Might need check out Tac Moonlight from I2D, but eagerly awaiting the new Hybrid range from AM Details, applied sample hybrid sealant and detailer to my bonnet nearly 3 months ago, and going well and car is outside 24x7, even seagull 'presents' don't bond.
I’m glade moonlight passed. Perfect product for a noob 👍
No way...a Chemical Guys product was the worst performing🙄😋 I'm glad YOUR bottle of Moonlight lasted 3 years, my bottle solidified after a year and it stayed in my kitchen pantry 24/7. Kinda surprised Hybrid Solutions Ceramic spray didn't make it past 6 months, hmmm😑
Great test John
BH double speed does me, cheap and easy to apply, 3-6 months pleases me 👍
great video,except for the camera panning left & right everytime after you spray the panel.
I use Autoglym UHD wax, then after every other wash Autoglym aqua wax to top up durability, find it a great Combination, Easily last 12 months ready for Decon and reapplying
Ohh super! Thank you! I would like to ask for polishangel.. how many months does the protection of the master sealant last?
As always Dave down to the nuts and bolts and no BS showing like it is which I was surprised by some of the results but yes if you're not wearing a hazmat suit when applying these nano coatings you're only looking at about six months surprised some of them failed after 3 months I think the most you want is at least 6-months especially over the winter period end of September must must must survive to the end of March with a little water-based spray in the middle of January just to top it up up which you know can be a bastard if you haven't got a garage yes absolutely surprised by some of the results but obviously the new turtle Wax graphene products are coming out out which I think could be a little game changer for the home DIY weekend Warrior is graphene going to be Holme detailers six month friend
I use 5th element over the winter months b/c of how cold and sharp the titanium makes my paint look in the low light of winter, and the wax really holds up. I do keep my ride in the garage.
I wonder if Moonlight, lite and can coat are close to the same formula since they’re within the same family? Dunno.
Rule Britannia, Dad. 😘
Hi always enjoy your videos. I am seeing auto bead advertised. I wondered if it was British and if any good
Thanks Tim
Carpro lite for me. Tac seems to be hit or miss for some people. Only thing holding me back from graphene is the price. Maybe next year when the price comes down
Great video! I’m thinking of using wax after wash on my Rc. Do you know what happens if I use it on bearings? I want a non sticky surface to protect them from dirt and water. Also do I absolutely have to wipe the Rc car after using wax or can I just spray it on and let it be?
Wipe to gloss it m8. No wipe is thick layer you can see
Excellent as always
Been using AngelWax 5th element for years and had 6-9 months but again as you say an older tub of wax might loose it’s magic. Would love to see how AngelWax enigma would hold up on this test Jon
glad i stocked up on 2 tins sealed shut of fusso99 old formula....will last me 10 lifetimes.
My problem is how long my can of original Gussobus going to last when I fancy changing to something else. Going to be years before it runs out.
Interesting test and great video. I think a fairer wax to use from Angelwax would've been Guardian because they claim 6 months+ on that one, or of course Enigma for 12 months+
Another good video, thanks. I’m working my way through your back catalogue. Having since watched your ‘last man standing’ video where your Moonlight was ‘off’ (5years), your comments here regarding shelf life and volume struck a cord with me. I think this of a lot of my products, they come in too big a bottle/tub for the ‘home detailer’ who wants to try new things. The danger is you end up with a shelf full of half used products. I like for instance that BH do their Finis wax in a 50ml tub, that’ll be my next to try. Why don’t more brands do this?! Is it not cost effective (same packaging needed, same shipping, small retail price) or do they maybe want to keep you ‘hooked’ to their product (or away from others)?
Yes I celebrate conga style if 8 finish a bottle of something 😁
Im impressed with farecla
Who’s presses the dislike button? Petty people. Great video sir, keep them coming 👍
I have a 2017 Vauxhall Corsa VXR. Can not find a video that shows the best Rain/windshield sealing? This "Make the water fall of" thing. And helps make the windwiels easy to clean
very nice and good!
Oh god the Moonlight link is a referral code. No wonder it preformed so well
all the products have referral codes but other than that spot on.
Excellent review Jon. What would be interesting to know if the graphene coating is better at reducing swirl marks etc, is it genuinely the future or marketing hype?
I dont think it makes swirl reduction as a product claim to be fair. it was deifnetly slick, i think it claims water spot rebuild up reduciton.
No coating can stop you from getting swirl marks, it's the washing technique that determines that.
@@ForensicDetailing yes I guess you're right. It's just that graphene is reputed to be 200 times stronger than steel (and the toughest molecular structure known to man) which is why it's turning up in a sealant with supposedly 5 years durability....
Id of expected AG Uhd to have performed better than it did too be honest with all their claims of improvement. Ill probably stick with it through the summer months but unlikely to use it in the winter
Bilt Hamber finis is an excellent carnauba wax.
Interesting with the Britemax EE 2.0 as mine did exactly the same thing. I contacted Britemax directly who couldn't offer an explanation. They did send me some new goodies though.
Hi John, new to the detailing scene this past year, if there is one true test to test durability take you car on the motorway during the rain, I have tried loads of your recommended products and in the main they all work well and offer good protection except for the door panels which get the worst of wet road which has an abrasive effect on any applied protection, when I carry out my weekly maintenance wash the door panels are the only panels which have lost their hydrophobic properties. Anyway, I’m away to check out how much it is for moonlight or Carpro lite...Cheers
Thx Jon, its a HOOD. That hurt when you said bonnet for the civilized...lmao...just kidding. Love Artdeshine
Hi John great video very interesting.
Was that the soft99 fusso? Hopefully not the fusso 12month coating?
Fusso IS the 12 Month product. Soft99 are the company. Fusso is the 12 Month paste it 7 month liquid. New paste has a different formula which has less toxic chemicals in. Better for the skin, worse for durability.
@@roscopervis i use it alot, does the new one state 12month protection still?
@@hybridshinedetailing600 it does.
Verry nice job!
The max lenght of durability I want is 12 months so I stick to using Moonlight,Can Coat or Carpro Lite
Jon dont you think that these products that only last 2-3 months that are a hastle to apply are obsolete. The newish Wet-applied products are so much easier to apply and you rinse them off and your done.
hmm it depends I think a base like post polish product should really do 6-12. And then like the water base spray products can top them up.. but some products like megs liquid wax I really like even though its durability is not great because I can whack it on a DA and sort of scrub up the paintwork very rapidly and it buffs nice.. so its a bit like using an AIO even though its a liquid wax. I dont mind doing this 3-4 times a year.
Hi John, I appreciate it wasn’t on the list however what are your thoughts on Gtechniq C2V3? They claim lasts up to 8 months
Just my two penneth; I’ve fallen back to C2V3 then topped with Vonixx Blend spray, durable base topped with insane water behaviour. I had an epiphany on looking in the garage cupboard, loads, and I mean loads of products; the majority 98% full after a single use and discard. So, I decided to stand back, tired of spending out month on month on the latest fancy sprays etc only for them to join the collection. Had a mad cull and gone back to what suits my paint and application and I’m far happier with the results unlike my credit card company. Nowt against what Jon does or any host [as Jon mentions happy to hit something like Moonlight and top with a shine wax as and when] but believe it is more important to have a very regular and practiced safe wash & touchless drying routine, even if just dust and watch the water behaviour to judge re-application / top ups. Happier with my hobby and have more disposable for “care” type, trusted products rather than just the latest.
@@13pcbs cheers. I think with C2v3 you really need to have the paintwork well prepared to use first. They recommend using it to bare paintwork ie not applying anything else first like a wax or other sealant
@@crusader8308 yep that goes without, the 5 P's apply throughout. Nature's big light will be the biggest critic.
My two penneth is that it isn’t all that. It does work better on bare prepped paint, but what doesn’t? If you want a similar product for cheaper, that lasts at least as well try CarPlan Supergloss No.1.
Could you please test liquid luster there’s local stores down where I live and they still sell the hell out of liquid luster people love that stuff. is it really that good?
Wow Angelwax's fifth element just 3 months... Let's hope it's like you said and not the usual performance of it? I applied Enigma on my car and i also can't believe it'll stay on for 12 months or more, now after 3 months it's already showing signs of losing hydophobic behavior. Can't imagine using enigma shampoo and enigma QD would add months of extra durability? What do you think Jon?
my pot is 4- 5 years old I think it used to work better. yes if you top with engima QD it will add protection.
Great video John, thanks for the work. It's a shame Turtle Wax have bought out the Flex Wax which seems to run rings around stuff isn't it 😂 I must give Moonlight a go though.
flex wax is not going there to be like mega long lasting. I think seal and shine and ceramic spray have more durability. flex wax is there to be able to everything I think, trim, alloys, glass, Topper, or based sealant, or a wet coat style product.
@@ForensicDetailing I'm certainly keen to see how it works out but I suspect you'd get 4 months+ based on the other reviews done by the colonials 😂. It's out performed seal and shine in every test I've watched this far but I of course wait to see your review and testing too, although I do trust Brian at Apex Detailing for his views too.
I used Rinse Wax for the first time today btw, holy shit! ho.ly.shit.
@@ForensicDetailing I suspect Hydrophobic wax (seal and shine) can be applied just the same as flex. I can see in our shower tray the half where I sprayed half the glass panels with it. In the tray was only over spray and rinse as it wasn't intentional application.
Chemical resistance isn’t the same as duration durability. This test highlights it. Don’t think a massively chemically resistant product is automatically gonna last 6 months+, if it is a water based product, only a few do.
Here's a question for detaillers, I detail my car and always give it a good protective coating for the winter but I have noticed that there is always beaded water sitting on my car where my next door neighbours car is bone dry long before mine will be and they do not do anything to their car. This means at night when it freezes I end up with a thick layer of ice on my car which only gets thicker if left while my neighbour does not suffer this to the same degree. It just seems like my detailing efforts are making things worse rather than better.
lots of people talk about beading causes issues for them with water spots. but hydrophillic products get slated because they look dead.. its a bit like emporers news clothes :) people slate jetseal for example as not lasting long.. but its acyrlicic polymer which is not hydrophobic.
Perhaps something like jetseal would be cool for you. try it because it glosses up the paint nice.
If you’re in the uncivilized world like me, Feynlab quick detailer v3 is a great sheeter (it’s supposed to be a topper for their coatings, but can be a stand alone) or ammo nyc reboot enamel coat.
I haven't done much with my bottle of Moonlight so good to know it'll still be OK and is good stuff! Should I be throwing away the applicator and downgrading removal towels to engine bay work, like suggested with full blown ceramics?
you probably should yes. applicator defo.. buffing cloths.. relegation is good compramise. I dont know, I dont have a strong opinion on this I know guys that say you can carry on using them on panels afterwards.. maybe its a bit hardcore but when I tested this.. a cloth re-used after buffing ceramic seems to scratch more.
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks Jon. Not worth swirling her up for a few quid of cloths!
Jon / followers. You do a fair bit of work outside. Any recommendations for detailing glasses to reduce glare etc / any experience of lens colour to pick up imperfections?
look at the bolle range mate
@@ForensicDetailing Cheers Jon, to be fair Bolle's website are fast; suggesting the Control or Twilight lens'. Will give em a go.
@@ForensicDetailing Jon, for info, Bolle Rush with Twilight lens less than ten quid. When asessing in full sun they completely take out the "snow glare", sighting the panel is like a deep after wax depth/ lusture, with minor swirls n nics clearly visible but withouot any of the eye strain.
Hi
Looking for a little advice as I would like to know what's the best long lasting ceramic/wax coating that I can apply outdoors. I have been using R222 carnauba wax but there's a lot of choice out there. I wash my car quite a bit as its always outside & would like a longer lasting product with the same amount of gloss if possible.
R222 is the least durable product ont he market (looks awesome though on application) Something like Gyeon MOHS ceramic caoting is about as durable a consumer coating is. Other than this. Old Fusso Wax or Turtle Wax Seal and Shine or TAC moonlight or Jescar Ultralock plus. alll good options.
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks for the quick reply, so all of these are ok for outdoor applications.
I also considered meguiars ceramic hybrid as you can top it up.
Can't believe I have been using a product I thought was one of the best, thanks for saving me a lot of work for a short space of time
If I wanted to clay my glass would it make sense to use cheap ebay clay because isn't the glass too hard to get marred? Cheers
Nice ceramic
Its Tac and Art de Shine for me!
Did you put a light on the panel and see the differences in scratching?
Time to get the kettle on 👍🏼
Not sure if it didn't fit the category but any chance Turtle Wax Seal n shine can be added on another cycle?
Does the spray sealants/ spray waxes/ ceramic sprays harden on the microfibre towel even if properly washed therefore micro marr scratching the cars paint next time you go to dry it?
How can I know for sure?
No, ceramic coatings yes.
@@ForensicDetailing is there a way to find out which sprays chemicals will be easier to wash off? for example short term protection sprays, sio2 or how to wash the microfibre is it with a dedicated microfibre wash liquid or using a APC etc?
Thank you Jon
Thanks to put the Sonax BSD 😆
Wh3n I click on the Tac Moonlight link it takes me to a bottle with a spray nozzel, not the drip lid your bottle has. Is it a new product or just a new bottle top? Don't want to buy the wrong one lol
Just wondered what you thought. used BH double wax 4 months ago. Too cold to spend +1hr so used Turtle Wax Sealant as a 'top-up' until April/May time. Good or bad idea?
thats great mate nothing wrong with that.
4 1/2 months into using Turtle Wax Hybric Ceramic (Polish & Wax, then 2x Ceramic Sparay Coating), plenty of rain, grime, snow and road salt. Still giving full protection, just washed monthly with Car Pro Valet.
I've not even bothered to use the Wet Wax, so zero added protection since first application.
I'd be interested to know gloss retention after a 6 month period.
Hi, When are you going to test the new Turtlewax Hybrid Solutions Pro Graphene Flex Wax? It seems to have great reviews from USA. I am interested to see what you think in comparison to the existing Hybrid Ceramic Spray!
feb when it hits the UK paul
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks! Look forward to it. Great Channel, Great Content. I have really enjoyed getting into detailing in the last year due to you.
In terms of using Moonlight, with it being a light ceramic coating. If im applying this am I going full decon and to the degree of paint correction?
Second part of the question is after the 12months is up what sort of decon is required to remove the coating?
Thanks
you are the only person that can answer this question :) You decon if you have contamination to remove right, so who can tell if there is contamination to remove. ONLY YOU because I cant see or touch the car. you have to check this and decide. you dont apply a base line product like moonlight on top of a contaminated car. Same principle applies with the state of paintwork. you polish a car if the paintwork looks bad and you want to remove swirls and gloss it up. Who can see the paintwork and decide, ONLY YOU. you have to decide and answer these questions. this is a FUNDAMENTAL thing people dont understand and I get asked it hundreds of times a week. This means I should probably shoot a video on this. So I will explain it more on the channel.
@@ForensicDetailing to be honest I just wanted to be sure I was attacking the job the right way. Not being familiar with Moonlight I was sure if it was like a spray coating etc as I haven't seen it applied. But now you have replied with the above I understand that the way I was going to proceed is the correct way and I should tackle it in the usual way as if I was going to correct the paintwork and get the car in its best condition.
But an application video would be very useful and many thanks for replying.
hey jon, why is it so hard to find any tests involving any swissvax waxes ? detailing world is the only one i can find and the swiss tested is failing during the test, admittedly im sold on fusso original (still available here in oz) but would be interested to compare it with other products under the same banner ie wax, anything you can throw together for a review ?
Im gonna try and borrow a SW wax... but dont expect these waxes to have good durability they just wont.. they use oil in them.. they are not really durability products. you wont find any wax on the planet that lasts longer than old fusso. And you will struggle to find a carnuba wax that outsides BH double speed. but do we really just want durability?
@@ForensicDetailing yeah there are so many different markets or people with different wants likes needs etc, love your complete reviews, anyway i hope your familiar with young ones as everytime i hear you voice the song allo Jon got a new motor comes in to my head lol, keep it real mate 100%
Hi! Would it be possible to get some products reviewed/tested...I couldn't find a way to email/message aside from this - sorry for hi-jacking :D
Do you offer a table of results in text form, showing failure times.
sorry Matt I dont but in the description are videos are various intervals. at the moment Im working 12 hours a day on some other stuff and I just dont have the time to look back and document things like this.
How does Moonlight compare to Gtechniq C2V3?
you cant compare totally different format ash.. think of moonlight as a full on ceramic coating and C2 as closer to a detailing spray.
So 1000p no good? Seen comparing it to fusso...
It's a hood.
The things that go on top of your head are called hats.
Good day, sir.
rofl everytime I call it a hood I get told its a bonnet. whos right?
@@ForensicDetailing lol I'm just giving you a hard time from the other side of the pond. Great comparison video 👍
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bamoboleeeea¬!!1111 :) hey m8
il love my duragloss 105+601 ♥️🔥🔥 I swear by it :)
Have you ever tried #111 w/the PBA? I ask because #111 is a PURE sealant whereas #105 has cleaners in it. I haven't used DG is years now, still in my collection though🤔
@@klasseact6663 Thank's :) yes I'm aware of 111 , but the fact that 105 has cleaners in it makes it better than 111 in my eyes.
I don't need to go full on OCD with decontamination , or just no decontamination at all.
Matter of fact It's been 2 years no decontamination what's so ever ,just using 105+601 every 5-6 months.
@@dimmacommunication that's pretty impressive! I had a brand new Honda CRZ back in 2011 and used #111 on it ALOT and the car glowed and when combined with Blackfire Seal and Shine, the paint had a "candy" look to it.
I've sworn to apply some to my current ride for a trip down memory lane. Heck, I remember using #101 as well even. Btw, do you use Aqua Wax🤔
Pay this man
😭 why is P&S Bead Maker missing? 😭
Ever used PoorBoys sealant with carnauba? 🤔
I dont think I have but the poorboys stuff is pretty decent ususally.
@@ForensicDetailing yeah I gave it a shot on an old C1 I was running. I gave it some love first lockdown and the car was looking pretty good. To cut a long story short, I bought something else and with being busy stored it on my mates drive. It's still looks honesty really good! Beads still etc etc
I used some on my old mx5 too and it held up well too
1st off, thanks for the videos, the content is ALWAYS tip top! PLEASE could you answer a question I’m going round in circles with online? IS THERE A PROPER COATING (graphene etc) THAT CAN BE APPLIED & CURED FULLY OUTDOORS, NO GARAGE/COVER REQUIRED??? Thanks 🙏
its a long answer unfortuetly there are temp requiresment with coatings.. typically go sub 5 deg and the carrer wont flash. so most normal single layer 1 shot coatings could be applied outside at certain times of the year anyway.. but its all about risk or poor results, risks can be controlled and are small but consequences to poor results can be very high with ceramic coatings. to remove a poorly installed coating properly could be days of work. but there are coatings which cure faster and are more suited to use outside but even these cannot be used in all scearios. Ive not used them so I cant comment how effective.
@@ForensicDetailing appreciate your response... looks like I’ll defo have to stick to sealants etc until I’m fully garaged. Cheers!
@@myhonestopinion5910 The only coating I know that can be applied fully outside is Gyeon Flash and that’s a pro coating
@@NipponStiqqyPaint cheers for the info; I’ll look into it but I’m FAR from a pro so it’ll be interesting to see if this has a close enough match to anything else I can use...
Any reason why you don't test EZ products?
EZ products have featured in comparison tests on this channel.
@@ForensicDetailing sorry should have been clearer, I meant in this test seeing as they have ceramic wax and graphene wax
First!!
Didnt nothin last in this test that normally last... I say we need a redo
these results are pretty normal. you can make these products last longer if you do certain things but I didnt want to delve into all this I just wanted to show the products show results say what was done.