FLY SHOP ETIQUETTE - FLY FISHING
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There’s a flyshop in my small town in central Texas. He’s 86 and doesn’t fish much anymore, but traveled in his youth to places of dreams. If he says use it..I will Guarantee it will catch fish. He needed a small amount of electric work finished that he started years before and I’m an electrician so did the hour or so work and said no charge. My next visit he slid me a box and said no charge, it contained top quality fly materials,marabou, hackle, various hair etc. and in the bottom there was a high grade 4wt TFO rod, reel, line and backing. I brought him 2 bags of White bass fillets the next week. We’ve been trading for 2 years now. We are the best of friends. (ps: The very first thing he sold me was Charlie Cravens, Fly Tying Basics book). Really enjoy your videos! Sorry so long😑. Good fishing to you🎣
Stuff like this it what the whole thing is about. Right on.
Hill country fly fishers I need to make my way out there from Austin
Super awesome story!
Thanks for the post. You have restored my faith in humanity! I love this.
Lol awesome story!
Took your advice and went to my local fly shop for the first time with a pack of beers. What a great way to make some new friends! Thanks for making awesome videos
The shop in Arvada is why I'm such a huge fly fisherman now. The dudes there have been so helpful. I haven't picked up a baitcaster in 2 years.
There should be a “Do’s and Don’ts” how fly shops should treat people.
My wife worked at a fly shop for years. If it was not for her, I would have only visited that place once.
Absolutely.... Austin Anglers Absolutely smug fks...
I'll never go back and will discourage my friends from them.
Charlies flybox section taught me how to tie flies. This video is awesome, thanks dudes
Solid advice...thank you. Once burned, twice cautious...was turned off by a fly shop where I once lived that treated me, the new guy, like the village idiot; then I learned from others that they treated everyone that way. I went there to to buy a new rod and ended going across the state to another shop for the purchase. Why are some shops run by absolute dickheads?
Seems to be either a really nice staff or a bunch of ass hats for my fly shops
"As a service" a fishing shop sent my shooting line with bubles to the importer, even though it was bought somewhere else. After I had asked about it a few times, the owner asked me, if I'd have an other brand, so I could go fishing, and I - beginner - accepted and thanked him. But it rurned out to be a very crappy pos with a mono cord, that curled up like a spring, and was problematic in many ways. It tuned out to be some cheap china crap. Damn I've talked bad about the owner ever since - 20 years of bad PR to make a quick buck - FU Ronni
Alot of fly shops and guides have less time on the river than most of their clients. They are famous for being rude and belittle the clients, then no one would dare to ask a question that would require alot of experience...true story.
This kind of snobbish, asshole behavior pops up a lot in specialty shops: guitar shops, bicycle shops, fly shops. Many people that work at these places seem to do so only for their own ego edification.
@@lordofthemound3890, thankfully I have a shop in St. Louis that's tops.
Good observations about fly shops. But when you have people walking through your door daily to buy bait, it is a bad business plan to send them somewhere else. Most of us caught our first fish on a worm and bobber. WE WANT those people coming through our doors repeatedly! Most eventually become fly fishing anglers. While other shops come and go, we have been at it for 30 years, and we are still growing!
You really seem to have a much better attitude than Huge Fly Fisherman. You don't seem to tell your customers that it is their obligation to make your business successful.
@@nunliski We enjoy all anglers! There are enough people in the world who want to tell you what to do. You sure as hell don't need that experience in your fishin' store! Have a great year fishin'?
@@nunliski I'm a tiny fisherman, and when I was a volontere in a fishing club, I mostly taught kids how to tie flies. And not having forgotten how grown ups can ruin everything for kids, I didn't care about the teaching - but in their experiences. I asked the victim, what kind of fish, they wanted to catch, then gave them some books, to choose the fly from, that they wanted to tie. Never had any problems at all with even the "special class" kids - and when an 9-10 yo of those was walking out the door, holding his moms hand, and he turned around and said to me: "You are the best teacher I've ever had" (and he had met "special kids teachers all his life) I knew, that I had passed the test. You are there for them - not for them to be forced into doing, what you wish, you had done as a kid.
Charlie is the best! Went way out of my way to go to his shop in Arvada. His son was super helpful and Charlie took the time to sign a book and take a pic with me. Cannot wait to go back.
I’m just getting started in this sport. Your videos are very funny with good information. Looking forward to the next one.
My local Fly shop is K&K's in Overland Park Kansas. Awesome guys, I buy 95% of my gear from them. Rods, reels, lines, tying gear, lures, boxes, clothing, & tying classes. Its so much better than the large sporting goods store that supply machined made flies that fall apart on contact with water...
Glad to see Charlie included. Haven't been in the new shop yet.
Just subscribed! Great video. You’re right that we have to support the local guys because they help support our access to fish!! Pay a little extra for the knowledge you gain.
Thanks for making Monday suck a little less. Keep these vids coming, keep informing, and stay huge.
I always take beer for the fly shop, it's nice to be nice(it's always German beer).
Thanks for the video. I went to my local fly shop on Saturday, took their free class on learning to fly fish. I bought some wading boots and flies. They told me what fly to use and a river I can drive to an hour away and got my first trout on a fly without a guide. buying stuff and asking questions works!
Right on dude. You did not address the issue everyone rolls out about local shops being more expensive. Too which the response should be - not always, so what, too bad, go bowl instead, drink some domestic to save some $. The couple extra bucks to a local shop keeps its lights on, keeps it local, adds to the soul of a community that is being franchised and big boxed to death. Even if you buy online for convenience, buy online from a local shop. They can get you anything you want. A world without the sane refuge of local fly shops is gross. The longer I fish, the more I learn when I go into fly shops.
My thoughts exactly. I do not have a "local" fly shop near me thus it makes it hard to pick out materials and such. Every time I've called a fly shop to order materials, they have been VERY helpful to make sure I get exactly what I want. Had I ordered it blindly, I would have likely received an inferior product.
Funniest show I had was artva shop on a Famous Eastern River. Went in and all the bins had Latin names for the bugs they imitate. Not an Adams or a Light Cahill to be found. I got a couple flies and went to check out. The guy behind the counter noted that he had never seen me before. I acknowledged that it was my first time on the river. He immediately announced I would catch nothing.
After a little back and forth it was with great satisfaction that I told him I had just caught three fish and was hoping to pick up another one or two of the flies that had turned the trick. When he asked I just said a Wooly Bugger. His grown was audible. My satisfaction was silent but well earned.
Great video, I am always amazed when I talk to people who don’t think fly shops are there to help you , I just look at them and think WTF are you talking about :-) And Charlie’s shop is the best , although we all know where he escaped from .Keep it huge
All good advice. Only thing I'd add is, you don't have to settle for the first shop you walk into. If there are multiple shops in a reasonable distance, try them out you may find that you like better, or get better info, or are just more comfortable in one rather than another. I live in the Pacific NW and there are 4 shops within 20 or so miles of me. One I won't go into, and I've found that the other 3 are great and I get better info from each during particular times of the years, so I spend time in each seasonally. Oh, and don't even think about moving here, it rains ALL the time.
Walla Walla doesnt even have a fly shop so now I have to drive an hour away just to practice your ninja fly shop techniques.
Ben, I wish I could like this more. Thank you again for another great video! I feel like somehow I owe you more than a 6 pack of Blue Ribbon goodness if i ever get to toss some flies out your way. Thank you for what you do for the sport! In a HUGE way!
Thanks!
Spot on Huge!👍 Excellent points and for GAWD sakes people please shop small and your local fly shop!❤
Huge fan from South Korea- thanks for the tips
It’s tuff living in Saskatchewan, cuz around where I live there are no local fly shops. Gotta order basically everything for fly fishing :(
Anymore it seems like flyshop employees are entitled trust funds kids that look down on anyone that does not have the fancy gear. Have had this happen at more then one shop and did not return. Oh and yes I spent 3 plus years working and guiding at a fly shop in SW Montana.
Everything about this very video reflected a sense of entitlement.
Great advice! ...and yes the expert (you know...."I've fished here, there, on the moon, saltwater, freshwater" etc etc.) in the fly shop, seen a few of these dudes ....I mean really....why go in if you know everything?? Also...trying before you buy....................online....is just the lowest sort of fly behaviour.
Love the videos.
This is an amazing video. People need to learn these things.
So much fun! Love these vids.
My favorite shop is Beartooth Fly Shop in the middle of nowhere. Not another business within 15 miles. Can't believe the selection and the help is amazing.
Dan Delekta...
Agree. Visited from Australia
This place on the Madison was amazing.
Beartooth is great. They're super helpful there, great prices and laid back.
Charlie's Flybox is my local fly shop and the place is freaking awesome. It's my go to for all my needs.
Agreed with this video on every level. Support your local fly shop, and buy local. Many times they’ll have the best materials and specific flies for the local waters you’re not going to get online, especially if there’s a local variation fly that works for specific hatches. Get in there and drop $20-30 for the advise you’ll get
When are we gonna get an etiquette video on proper buddy heckling?! Otherwise another great video. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
Thanks for the video this week! Always look forward to it. However, what do I do if the employees/owner at my local fly shop are everything you tell us not to be? They are rude, pompous and never helpful. I am always courteous when I absolutely feel like I have to go there, but the favor is never returned. I always feel like they don't want me there. I live in a small rural state without many options.
If you can't find a better shop locally, order online from a reputable one somewhere else.
Perfect! Great video!
Good advice. If you find a great fly shop, it’s a true gem & be sure to support. Sadly, my favorite shop, Stoddards in downtown Boston, closed quite a while ago. It was the oldest fly shop in the U.S. & the staff was very knowledgeable. Once they got to know you, you could try out a new rod for a weekend. Try that in a big box store. I bought almost all of my equipment & fly tying material there. Really miss the place!
stoddards was the best. if you were lucky you would run into gartside there too
Great video. My favorite secret spot to send annoying customers is where a fly fishing club is have a large group outing.
I became a fly fisherman by visiting a fly shop with someone else. However when I went back to that same shop the actual owner was in the store.I won't get into the extremely negative experience I had, but it did not stop me. I found another store which is super far from my house but well worth the trip. Those guys @ Bayou City Anglers in Houston Texas are HUGE! I won't shop anywhere else just because of how these guys take care of me as an novice fly angler but more importantly as an individual.
Thank you for this one
Great video man
That shop is awesome! I'm a straight fly shop hippie.... I jump around so much good fly shops always point me in the right direction. I have literaly stopped back and bought rods I didnt need twice then sold them on ebay for a loss. I was touched they pointed me in the right direction after I watched them send multiple customers to tourist locations.....
I stop in at fly shops whenever I’m in a new area or haven’t been in the area in a while. I’m friendly, polite and low key. Fly fishing for 50 years. If the shop is also friendly I might take part in a conversation. Then pick up some tippet or nippers or such. Maybe some tying materials. If the shop is not friendly, snooty, condescending etc, I’ll poke around then leave quietly. No problem. Maybe they had a bad day. I don’t look for tips or hot spots or hot flies. Not that I know it all, I like finding my own way. It takes time to find those spots and flies on my own. That’s what I’ve always have done. It’s a big part of what fly fishing is for me. I find it more fulfilling and gratifying. But that’s just me. It’s too bad that we even have to discuss etiquette in any situation, from either perspective. Also, Charlie Craven is a legend.
Really nice video, very funny and good to know - reminds of my friend who is such a pain in the ass and brakes all the rules! haha
Maybe your best video yet! Support your local shop! And yea, they do like beer.
Killer Music- great videos- and right on the money! Cheers brother! Guy @Kern River Fly Shop
We have one tackle shop in the city and it's the most claustrophobic place I've ever had the displeasure of being in. Staff is great, incredibly knowledgeable and they have products I can't find elsewhere. But my anxiety immediately starts rising the moment I walk in due to the sheer amount of stuff in such a small enclosed space. I worked in retail for years before going back to school so it's actually painful to see how unshoppable it is.
100% . I'm going on a guided wading redfish trip in SC next week ( And yes I watched your low country redfish CZcams video). Spoke with the guide, he said we'll meet at the fly shop, in case you need something. I said great, I like to shop local. I will bring gear with me as needed to start but additional gear I always buy at the local fly shop,and generally buy more than I really need anyway. He said you're my kind of guy. I have to find out if he drinks beer. Tight lines
Great 411, love the background ska music.
I'm so glad I watched this video. I can't wait to visit Charlie's Flybox. Looks like it's about 5 to 10 miles away.
I love checking out new areas and the local fly shop. Get some intel a few flies and a t-shirt. Sometimes the conversation shows some commonality and how small this world really is
What about ordering most your stuff online from a fly shop that is like 500 miles away? I get a lot of stuff from red's
I likes the way you talk! You are the proverbial needle in a haystack! I wish you were around 25 years ago.Thanks for the video and advice!
Great content & fun video.
Stopped at a fly shop in Boulder, CO. Was going to fishing some streams. Told them that. They recommended some patterns, bought a handful of flys. Went out next day and had an epic time fly fishing. Went back the next time I was there same thing, spent more money too. Good time.
Hey Huge, where the heck did you get Schaefer beer!!! Grew up on that in New York. I'm in Loveland now.
Just googled that image up.
@@HugeFlyFisherman Shlitz. Yu should put that in a vid.
I had a feeling I recognized the river from the last video were both from Colorado lol
Great advice
What's a pro deal?
I have never heard this term in Australia.
Cheers..
I guess it’s a bad thing to ask what hatches are going on? So u can buy flies accordingly?
Dude you were spot on with this here. I dropped a few dollars on some things and got to talking to the owner of the place and he gave me some locations to check out. He also gave me his contact info if I had any questions or wanted to fish! 💯🤘🎣😎
Our fly shop/hangout in London, Ontario is John"s Fly Materials. John's about 84 but still wade fishes and fins a tube . He opens up at weird hours so check. Don't try to contact the shop - there's no phone or internet. Good knowledge shared here. He'll always listen to your stories. Oh, and he probably has what you need too.
Thank you for making this video
best spots around Boulder area?
I love my shop! I get great advice, rods and reels that match my skill set perfectly, and they never try to up sell me. They match my wants to needs perfectly and they're just damn good guys. I'd much rather cover their overhead than send my money to someone that doesn't even know my name.
Seriously. Plus I feel the local shops are into local waters and local conservation. They're invested in the area and so I'm invested in them
I often show up to the shop with the ol Simms fish whistle ;)
100% correct on the buy more than just the fishing licenses at the shop they make no money on the license.
Will stop by Charlie's!
sops have helped me a lot
Excellent video.
Fly shops are beautiful stores, tackle industry could learn a lot from a good fly shop.
Thanks for the great video.
I'm a fly shop owner, and just shared this video on facebook. Love it!
Thanks! I hope I get the chance to stop by someday.
Right on! Shoutout to Jimmy’s All-Season Angler in Idaho Falls, where the guy spent like 45 minutes helping me pick the right hackle when I said I was interested in tying some Green Drakes. That’s what you don’t get online
Agreed. Jimmy's is a fantastic shop and Jimmy himself is a class act.
I’ve bought all my rods and Reels, waders, guided tours for clients, family and myself, boots, name brand gear and clothing all
From fly shops. I will
Continue to do so but I do always feel like when I walk in to a new shop like a have to throw around $100 bills just for a hello and for a little bit of help. I do end up buying quite a bit and it’s beyond obvious how differently I’m treated once I’ve spent big bucks. I understand to a point, but I get treated better waking in the door at all types of other stores , even convenience stores, or small grocery stores where they run hoping to win your business. I understand the difference, but still frustrating to feel that I have to spend big bucks to earn them as an interested salesman. It feels to me sometimes like they really skeptical I will ask for info, or for one fly, or just look around trying to take products and then go buy online. At some point I do feel like ( if my perception is correct) the Internet / Amazon has taken what it will and will
Continue to get more. But I’m in your store, here’s your chance to prevent me ( or another customer) from not
Wanting to support the fly shop. I feel
Like in almost every fly shop I walk into they r judging me if they think I’ll spend money or
Milk them for info. I often feel I shouldn’t go into a fly shop until i for sure have an expensive need, say that right away, let them know I’m buying it, and then when I ask about other products or flies or rivers or shuttles etc etc I’m now in the club. I personally strongly over support the fly shops that are nice and welcoming to all. I feel like for those shop owners that r willing to go all in on really treating each person like they r their big spender even if they r not, they will be the money making survivor of fly shops for that area. Anyhow, I feel better now ha ha
I can promise you one thing. You can’t find the selection or quality of flys on amazon as you can in the back of the drawers of my fly shop. I always find something new and different that I haven’t fished that some hippie tied. THATS what it’s about.
I want to buy my first rod, but how do I do that if all the shops are closed at the moment? I have a Ross Animas feel on the way, but that’s all I have.
Tough deal right now. Not all of the shops are closed. Might be able to work arrange something with a phone call or email.
I thought those were just basic courtesy anyway.
Great words
Man my local fly shop was closing down last time I visited it …
So I don't fly fish a ton,nor am I any good at it. But I do persue steelhead and salmon in the pacfic northwest as a religion! I recently vacationed in Cody Wyoming. Stopped at a small fly shop in town. Great experience and helpful fun conversation! Also sticker prices in these shops can shock! At least for me. But after some talking he started making sale offers.
The man does speak the truth. These shops have no substitute.
Expert = an Ex is a hasbeen. A Spurt is a drip under pressure
I enjoyed working at a fly shop. It was my first job. Getting people set up and then having them come back and tell me about their success was the best satisfaction of the job.... and yes, bribing absolutely gets you better Intel 😂😂😂😂. I still remember "apple dumpling lady." And "guy with all the BBQ."
How do you feel about people calling or going into fly shops for the sole purpose of getting connected to independent guides or guide service?
If they’re doing it right the shop gets a kickback, so I think it’s great.
As long as it’s not winter park flyfishers. Lmao. I met you when I worked at clear creek outdoors in Idaho springs
Would you consider Orvis store a big box store?
No
Just ordered a new fly rod from my local fly shop during the pandemic. Support you local shop buy ordering gear, flys, clothing or gift cards!!
Wow, haters even here. Charlies has always been a wonderful shop with great people to answer any questions you might have. They always have the gear and materials you need. I especially liked the fly tying seminars on Saturdays with coffee and donuts. I need to see the new shop and do some shopping soon. I'm sure it's nice having more square footage and more parking than the old place!
My local shop has turned me off from fly fishing. The guys are very aloof.
Ive definitely been to a few bait shops with super unhelpful and impersonal employees
Jackson hole area did the same for me. Lost interest in fishing on my vacation.
Definitely happens
@@69texaseyes Know current but more former guides in the Jackson area. It is a meat grinder, high burn out rate. You are paying top dollar and the Jr. guides especially are seeing a fraction of that and then the shops make the Jr. guides work the shops a certain # of days and get paid even worse in a place with one of the highest costs of living in the country. They moved there in most cases because they love to fish and end up watching others fish and not wanting too fish when they have the opportunity.
The bathroom one...happens EVERY SINGLE DAY
Was hoping you would mention beer goes a long way, works in a lotta specialty places. Drinks and treats work.
Been fishing with a spinner and bait caster my entire life but my problem is no fly shops anywhere neer me here in North Dakota. My local shop had one fly combo rig to sell and that was it, so I will be forced to get my gear in line.
Most the shops I’ve been in are stuck up rich snobs. And if your not buying a 500$ rod they don’t want to talk to o you.
Those bastards
Been in three fly shops in Colo, all were cool, one in particular fixed a reel for us no charge, so I bought a couple pairs of sunglasses and like 10 flies, third shop was run by a much older guy that I kinda felt sorry for at first, didnt seem like he did a lot of business and while it was a good experience he did push pretty hard to guide us, eventually insulting us slightly as being beginners (which we are) and offering to hook us up with a morning of brook trout fishing for $150 each, I mightve taken him up on it but we'd already spent 3 days catching browns by ourselves in the Ark and the Rio Grande with not too much trouble.
Planing a trip to go to Colorado next year to see my wife’s family. And I will need help with trout fly fishing since I’m south East Texas and there are none.
The new normal…”climb out from under the rock” and FALL IN LINE! Now we tell people how to behave.
love your videos . watching from Kentucky “ The Bluegrass State “ .
I always take 2 bottles of homemade wine to my fly shop(California Merlot 14.7% ABV)
There’s a cool shop in Oregon called ‘Fin and Fire’ it’s great, flys, expertise, and beer
As a fly shop manager myself, I fully agree with all these points. Except, I would add to please not assume you can only get your information from “the guys” or “the boys.”
I know that’s right! My wife can stay right with me in numbers. We had to buy two 0-999 clickers to have on our vests as neither one of us can keep the count straight anymore. Love fishing with the girls as well as the guys.
Old School is a classic
Not sure you put enough info in this video. Nice & tight lines!