The postwar fate of the attendees of the Wannsee Conference
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- In this video I shall look at the postwar fate of the attendees of the Wannsee Conference.
Reinhard Heydrich was assassinated by the Czech resistance in June 1942.
Adolf Eichmann was kidnapped in Argentina, taken to Israel, found guilty at a trial and hanged.
Josef Bühler was sentenced to death on 10 July 1948 by the Polish Supreme National Tribunal and hanged on 21 August 1948 in Kraków Montelupich Prison .
Karl Eberhard Schöngarth was sentenced to death by a British military tribunal for war crimes and executed on May 16, 1946 in Hameln prison .
Georg Leibbrandt was held in custody from 1945 to 1949. He was a witness in the Ministries Trial where he stated that he did not share the madness of killing Jews. In January 1950, the Nuremberg-Fürth district court opened an investigation against Leibbrandt on suspicion of multiple murders. The investigation was terminated on 10 August 1950. No legal proceedings were initiated. In 1955 Leibbrandt was as advisor to Konrad Adenauer in the repatriation of German prisoners of war from the Soviet Union. He later headed the Bonn office of steel producer Salzgitter AG. He lived near Stuttgart. He died in Bonn on 16 June 1982 aged 82.
Alfred Meyer committed suicide on 11 April 1945 when he accepted that the war was lost. His suicide is one of the first of those Nazis who sought to evade justice by taking their own lives.
Roland Freisler was killed in an air raid in February 1945.
Otto Hofmann was sentenced in March 1948 to 25 years in prison for crimes against humanity and war crimes . On 7 April 1954, he was pardoned and released from Landsberg prison. He got a job as a commercial clerk. He died on 31 December 1982 in Bad Mergentheim aged 86.
Gerhard Klopfer was arrested on 1 March 1946. He appeared at the Ministries Trial as a witness. Klopfer claimed that he could not remember the exact content of the meeting at the Wannsee Conference, stating that he always assumed that the Jews should only be "resettled" and that in 1935 he was assigned to the party office against his will. In his denazification proceedings he received a fine and a three-year probation period during which he was not allowed to take up any responsible professional activity. From 1952 he worked as an assistant in tax matters, and from 1956 as a lawyer in Ulm. A preliminary investigation by the Ulm Public Prosecutor was discontinued in 1962. He died in Ulm on 29 January 1987 aged 81.
Friedrich Wilhelm Kritzinger was arrested on 23 May 1945. He was questioned several times and admitted his participation in the Wannsee Conference and confirmed its criminal nature. He also declared that he was “ashamed of German politics during the war”. Kritzinger was released from prison in April 1946, but was imprisoned again in December. He was released again for health reasons and died a short time later aged 57 on 25 April 1947.
Rudolf Lange ( SS-Sturmbannführer , commander of the Security Police and SD for Latvia, representing his commander Walter Stahlecker ) was wounded during the battle for Poznań and committed suicide there on 23 Feburary 1945, aged 34.
Martin Luther (Undersecretary of State in the Foreign Office) was arrested on 10 February 1943 and interrogated by the head of the Gestapo, SS group leader Heinrich Müller who had also been present at the Wannsee Conference. Luther was imprisoned in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp but he received preferential treatment as a prominent prisoner. Hitler personally decided in 1944 that “Martin Luther will live in a house on the edge of the concentration camp with his wife. On 13 May 1945 he died in Berlin, aged 49 due to the consequences of a heart attack.
Heinrich Müller, SS group leader , head of Gestapo, was last seen on 1 May 1945. He stated to Hitler’s pilot Hans Bauer that he had no intention of being taken prisoner by the Soviets. He then disappeared, in all probability he was killed or committed suicide in Berlin, aged 45.
Erich Neumann (State Secretary in the office of Commissioner for the Four-Year Plan ) was arrested at the end of the war. He was released in early 1948 due to illness and died in Garmish Partenkirchen on 23 March 1951, aged 58.
Wilhelm Stuckart (State Secretary in the Reich Ministry of the Interior ) was arrested and was a defendant in the Ministries Trial, accused of having drawn up anti-Jewish legislation. He was sentenced to time served in April 1949. He got jobs in government administration. In 1951 he was tried in a de-Nazification court, classified as a "fellow traveller" (Mitläufer) and fined five hundred marks. Stuckart was killed on 15 November 1953 near Hanover, West Germany, in a car accident a day before his 51st birthday. Although there was naturally suspicion that his death may not have been an accident, no proof to the contrary was ever found nor did anyone claim responsibility.
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CORRECTION.
Alfred Meyer committed suicide on 11 April 1945 and not 11 May 1945 - this was due to a slip of the tongue whilst recording which I did not notice later. However the text below the video is correct.
I enjoy your videos. Just saying you made a little mistake on the date of his suicide.
Gehge
If they agreed that it happened and didnt fight it they could be assured a lighter sentence and return to normal life. The conference was not about execution but deportation, and the Nazis who went along with the holocaust story got off lightly. You are making this video in the full knowledge that you are not allowed to put forth any other narrative, because your channel would get shut down in a day.
good, now I don't have to post that
@@johngreylove1359 No unlike Anti-Semite Nazi-Wannabes, he seeks to narrate actual history.
Sitting in at that meeting qualified you to the rope and why some walked free is beyond my thinking
Martin Luther, who was imprisoned in Sachsenhausen, still had in his possession, the only surviving copy of the minutes of the Wannsee Conference. Everyone present at the meeting was given a copy of the minutes, but were also ordered to destroy them after their receipt and reading of the transcript. Luther kept his and failed to destroy it before being sent to Sachsenhausen. His copy of the minutes would become discovered in his possessions after the war, and it became THE primary source material for what actually happened at this meeting.
I don't think it is quite right to say that it was in his possession, it was amongst the stuff in his office files might be more to the point. However, it was a redeacted protocol more than the minutes, but none the less it made the point of the meeting quite clear.
@@HistoryonCZcams Yes, very clear, relocation to the east, unless you can't read or are having hallucinations.
@@HistoryonCZcams I readed shortly a Historical Study about this Topic. It stated that Luther obviously showed "his" protocol to his superior, the State Secretary (Staatssekretär) in the Foreign Office Ernst von Weizsäcker. The handwritten signature of von Weizsäcker is on protocol Number 16. It is still a discussion in the History Science why the Foreign Office as the single Ministry was represented only by its Number 3 in the Wannsee Conference - all other participating Ministries were represented by their Number 2 (i.e. why von Weizsäcker didn´t show up at the Conference as the person in charge for the matter but only his deputy Martin Luther). Von Weizsäcker was in opposite to Luther a conservative Career Diplomat (and btw the Father of the later German President Richard von Weizsäcker). Von Weizsäcker gave the Protocol then simply into the Archive ot the Foreign Office, where it was only found in a file folder among other documents when the US Prosecutor in Nuremberg prepared the Wilhelmstraßen Trial. It is unclear why von Weizsäcker did this - if he did it to preserve the document or simply by negligence. Von Weizsäcker was prosecuted in the Wilhelmstraßen Trial, but denied any knowledge of the Wannsee Conference, allthough his signature is on Protocol Number 16 (Wilhelmstraßen Trial: because the seat of the German Foreign Office in Berlin was in the Wilhelmstraße = Wilhelm Street).
I think it would be an interesting story: How Protocol Number 16 survived.
@@NicolaW72 I have looked at this Nicola and will do a video on Von Weizsäcker. I was recently doing some research on the Paris embassy of Germany and was able then to add more notes. I will come back to it eventually!
@@HistoryonCZcams Thank you very much for this answer and especially for undertaking work about this matter. It´s a still unanswered question - and a probably uneasy story because as I mentioned: The younger son of Ernst von Weizsäcker, Richard von Weizsäcker, became later German President and still has a very high reputation.
The roof fell in on Dr. Freisler. In other words, he got hit by a ton of bricks. It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Hasta la vista baby!
Ding dong!
Too quick for my liking but hopefully it was prolonged somewhat 👍
Til Valhalla Dr. F... Your love for your nation was not a sin.
@@fresatx Strongly agree! Loving one’s country is not a sin. Expressing the aforementioned love through genocide; that’s 1 of those 10 big ones.
One wonders what would have happened should half of the dedication and time spent on ethnic cleansing were instead spent on V2 research?
Well if he was a German lawyer, he must have been a nice person.
2001 HBO special entitled CONSPIRACY was a fascinating reenactment of the conference starred Colin Firth as Dr Stuckart, Stanley Tucci as Eichmann & Kenneth Branagh as Reinhard Heydrich. Each participant is given ample time to develop their character. Truly a first rate film! I fell in love with Schubert’s Adagio in C major that is featured at the end. This made-for-TV movie Received many awards. Watching a dozen men cave in to implied threats of “evacuation” was brilliantly portrayed. directed by Frank Pierson of Cool Hand Luke and Dog Day Afternoon fame.8
That was a great movie in that the cast was riveting even though it was chilling to watch.
Agree with both of you on the HBO film. Performances of all in it were fantastic.
…The Hollywood version of History it’s the equivalent of Snow White and the 7 Duarfs…🦧💨🇺🇸
Good film. It really emphasizes the "banality of evil"
I saw that movie. Strangely enough but Gestapo chief Müller wasn't among the participants.
I was there last summer 2022 strange feeling riding the bus from the SBahn station and seeing the WANSEE museum listed as the final stop before it loops back in the opposite direction.Then walking through the gates and Into the mansion itself,it is totally free.It is definitely worth the time visiting the museum.
I interviewed Gerhard Klopfer, and a few others who were aware of the meeting, including Karl Wolff. Interesting guys.
There is a fine 2001 made-for-television movie that dramatises the events of the 1942 Wannsee Conference. It’s called ‘Conspiracy’ and stars many fine actors including Kenneth Branagh, Stanley Tucci and Coin Firth to name a few.
yes a very good movie !
Yes it is, chillingly good.
I have seen it about 10 times because I am a student of WW2 history. The is another film made for German TV, "The Wannsee Conference" in the 1980's which I watched when I was living in Germany. It is in You Tube. It is of course in German with German actors but it has subtitles that you have to read very fast so it helps to know what they are talking about prior to watching the movie or at least have a rudimentary understanding of German.
ah and it's a damn shame Hollywood craftes fake history about the Germans to fit the Allies lies and (post)war propaganda
@@tonycaniggia what war? The war was faked so the history channel would have something to make documentaries about. DO YOU'RE RESEARCH, SHEEPLE!
Heinrich “Gestapo” Muller was also an experienced pilot, so a light plane, such as a Fieseler Storch, escaping Berlin wasn’t out of the realm of possibility. In addition, he had access to the counterfeit money scam the SS ran, so he could have been very comfortable anywhere he escaped to. One other item of interest: Muller’s job was to catch people who didn’t want to be caught, and he was very good at his job, making him the most expert person IN THE WORLD, of anyone who wanted to evade detection. If anyone could have gotten away with it, it was him.
Either that or the Russians got him as I don't think he would have killed himself, according to everything I've read he was rather fond of himself lol.
Or he was a Russian spy all along.
Heinrich Müller is the type that plans ahead & had the resources to carry out his escape.
No body no proof of death.
If the Russians got him then they took his records and left his body to rot. Otherwise he got out and lived the rest of his life is comfort and luxury as he had part in the counterfeit scheme the SS was running.
Roland Freisler died "during" an air raid alarm NOT during or because of the raid. He apparently was running out of the building in "a nervous panic" making mewing noises when he tripped and fell down a marble paved staircase leading to the main entrance. He was carried outside where he bleed to death from a head wound.
That is to say, the man who made a habit of screaming performances during show trials, was so terrified he ran whimpering towards the nearest bomb shelter and fell to his death.
Thank you for that additional information about that scumbag. I wasn’t aware of his fate. It’s a gut wrenching and heartbreaking experience to watch him (and HEAR him ranting and screaming at the innocent, doomed individuals like some out of control hellhound. I’m sure Hell was happy to welcome that loser.
All those scum attending the conference plus any attending officials should have been hung in Public in the Nurenburg market square.
There are two accounts of how he died. One is that he was hit by falling masonry, your account is more like the one I believe about him bleeding to death outside.
the "building" you talk about being his courtroom. Even better for the "petite histoire".
Oh dear. What a shame 😂
Brilliant content. Love it. This is my favorite channel right now. Look forward to your videos every week.
Thank you Jordan, that has really made my day. I have just finished doing a video on Hitler's favourite nephew!
@@HistoryonCZcams What about a video on Hitler's favorite niece, Geli Raubal.
Die Wannseekonferenz, 1984 in German with subtitles is the best dramatization of this I've seen. Dietrich Mattausch's Heydrich is superb.
Yes, this is an excellent movie. The English version with Kenneth Branagh is also very good, but you are right the German one feels closer to the real case. I’ve seen many violent movies, with plenty blood and killing, yet no movie has caused me more emotional revolt and nauseas than the Wannsee conference even though there isn’t one single bullet shown in it.
@@randomami8176 Actually both movies deviate from the historical truth. First of all the entire dialogue is made up. We don't actually know how exactly things were said. Eichmann admitted to sanitising as much as possible the draft discussion and even ommiting certain details altogether. Secondly they reflect the historical scolarship existing at the time. So it depends on when you think we had a bețter understanding of nazism circa 1980 or circa 2000. Personally I would say we understand it better now than in both periods. 1980 was still dominated by certain myths about WW2 myths that were only starting to die in 2000.
@@florinivan6907 oh I see what you mean. Yes, we don’t have a true account of what was said, which makes both movies fictional. No recording and even if the technology had been available they wouldn’t have recorded it. We can only speculate. However what doesn’t seem to be speculation is that the meeting actually occurred.
Conspiracy was good but the German one was better, just seemed more authentic. Branagh as Hendricks was superb.
The 1984 German "Die Wannseekonferenz" is very, very good. It's much more, how do I put it, "bureaucratic"...more subtle which is how I picture the actual event in real life. 2001's "Conspiracy" seems a little to "dramatic", but I believe that's done more for movie purposes. However, the acting in "Conspiracy" is some of the most amazing acting I've seen on the small screen, ever. They are both worth watching for different reasons. Also, just an FYI, "Conspiracy" got it correct with the male sternographer (it wasn't a female as "Die Wannseekonferenz showed). Even Eichmann said that in his trial...that it was a male who kept the minutes.
I particularly appreciated your comments on the individual who failed to remember the details of the Conference while being a tax lawyer. Not a very good recommendation.
Some met justice and some did not. I believe everyone at the conference had blood on his hands.
Apart from the fates of Heinrich and Eichmann, I did not know the particulars of the others.
Once again thank you for this detailed presentation.
If you are guilty, he is your man, he only "remember" the convenient issues
Hah no one there has "blood on his hands" because what you are talking about is fiction crafted in fevered hivemind of the Large Schnoozers
@@tonycaniggia nazi troll 😈
He was likely the guiltiest criminal among them all and deserved to be bound, hog-tied, and strangled by a 110 year old woman for as many hours or days as it may require for him to breathe his last.
On the contrary, it's a very good recommendation for a tax lawyer not remembering embarrassing facts. The only problem only would be whether the could believes you. According to this outstanding video the courts in West Germany were ready to believe. In ordinary life when the case is about money that would be highly unlikely.
I appreciate an epilogue to such a pivotal event. Thank you.
It might not yet be the epilogue as far as this channel is concerned as I hope to do individual biographies of some of the participants. However for the moment I am concentrating on another subject but will come back to it!
I look forward to that.
Another awesome video!
Great choice of topic, thank you I have learned a lot from your channel and I’m looking forward to more videos!
Thanks Peter, very much appreciated.
Many of these folks, and many of the convicted defendants of the subsequent Nuremberg trials, spent less time in prison than would have someone who knocked somebody down on the street and took their wallet. Embarrassing for humanity.
Because if they agreed that it happened and didnt fight it they could be assured a lighter sentence and return to normal life. The conference was not about execution but deportation, and the Nazis who went along with the holocaust story got off lightly.
@@johngreylove1359 Yes, the Wannsee conference was about deportation -- to sites of execution. If you're claiming that anyone at the table didn't realize what "die Vernichtung der jüdischen Rasse in Europa" meant, you're at best being a troll.
@@Big_Bag_of_Pus ….and apart from being “a big bag of pus,” you have not the SLIGHTEST glimmer of a clue as to what the commenter you reference did / didn’t know about the Wannsee Conference, or that this individual could somehow know what was in the minds of everyone there. These comment threads, and on every subject, are loaded with statements that are so risible, so full of abject ignorance, that THIS would be my first assumption. But please refrain from saying “You either agree with me or I’m going to become abusive.”
@@mencken8 Complete non-sequitur. Try again.
Heydrich ordered everyone to destroy their transcripts when they were finished with them but Martin Luther did not. Luther's copy is the only one that survived. Luther died of a heart attack 5 days after Germany's surrender.
Great video, thanks for your content! I read many of these attendees web bios and was surprised how many of them lived into old age, free men. Your video is great in collecting their stories and your dictation is spot on. In regards to Eichmann, there was a female secretary there taking shorthand, quote "Shorthand notes for the minutes were taken by Eichmann's secretary, Ingeburg Werlemann, and the minutes were later written by Eichmann in consultation with Heydrich." Her online bio is in German where they use the term "Schreibtischtäter" translated as "Desk Perpetrator". I have read about the many Nazi secretaries and their stories. It would make a good video that I would watch.
Very well conceived a full of interesting details and Comments. Well narrated too!
I thought that the Kenneth Branagh film ' Conspiracy' was absolutely top drawer, not so much because of it's insight into a highly unpleasant scheme but more as a show of what strength of personality does. These blokes were at a meeting where Heydrich was more-or-less forcing them all to agree to his plans. In the film some speak out against it but are coerced/cajoled/threatened to agree. I have been in business meetings with people who have an idea that they will implement and to Hell with the consequences. These people are the junior school bullies who never received a good kicking when it would have been most beneficial.
I haven't seen the Kenneth Branagh film but maybe I ought to. Heydrich was passing on an order and the point of the meeting was to discuss how it should be carried out, not if it should be carried out. Of course they all could have said that they can't carry it out and resign on the spot but no-one did that.
Kenneth Branagh's portrayal of Heidrich is chillingly superb.
@@HistoryonCZcams HBO "Conspiracy"
Thank you so much. Very interesting. The idea that Heydrich had planned to take personal possession of the Villa for his family after the war is so very typical. Despite their claimed lofty political views and their pretense at German superiority and as if their murderous and sadistic deeds were not bad enough, these men were common thieves.
Very interesting video. Thank you for sharing it.
Well done bro. Unforgotten history. Thanks
I would have added
1) the year in which Eichmann finally was captured (he managed to stay quite a while under the radar)
2) that Freisler actually got killed in his courtroom. Serves him well, he was a dispicable figure
Wor Alan Man, I was beginning to think I wasn't gonna get a video tonight
Really appreciated
The premiere did not fire - although it is my fault for not checking yesterday morning!
Thank you so much for this..awesome video....
Well researched video Alan. Congrats.
Thanks Steve.
I've seen the movies "Die Wannsee Konference" (1984) and "Conspiracy" (2001). Both are outstanding for different reasons. However, I've read that based on the actual minutes of the meeting, it was Otto Hoffman who displayed any kind of dissention on the "Final Solution" during the meeting itself. He was also one of the few (so I've read) that displayed any sort of genuine remorse after the fact. Just thought I'd share that
Always good to share. However I think you might have got Hoffmann confused with this gentleman : czcams.com/video/23JFg_FM-84/video.html I will be doing a video on Hoffmann too, eventually.
Have you seen Bambi 👈😑
Thanks to these films, I now understand everything. The Germans had tried everything humanly possible to bring the Jews to a peaceful solution, but no one in the world wanted them. The terror of the war and the food crisis sealed the fate of the Jews. Moreover, there were also participants at the conference who had considerable concerns.
@@rb3058The cynism is that nobody wanted the jews ,
because of.... antisemitism .
@@rb3058”peaceful solution”?? You’re joking, right?
Excellent work again, Alan.
Thanks for listening
Excellent - I often wondered what became of the less famous attendees at the Wannsee Conference. Now I know.
New subscriber here....very well presented, all the best m8
Now THIS title got my attention ! Thank You ! !
Thank you. So interesting 👏
Thank you so much for this.
You are so welcome Rich! I have a lot more on this theme on this channel!
Great summing up mate - I do feel I can sense a controlled tone of outrage when you give the death dates of those attendees who managed to slip through the net and live to an old age right through to the 1980s!
Just wanted to add a little background to Martin Luther - his arrest during the war was (obviously enough) nothing to do with Wannsee, but as a result of an internal power dispute in the Foreign Ministry with his boss Von Ribbentrop. Luther was quite the schemer and eventually got way too big for his boots, provoking Von Ribbentrop to convince Himmler that he was plotting against the SS, hence him being chucked into a concentration camp. His relatively 'mild' treatment whilst there reflected perhaps an unspoken acknowledgment that they were simply keeping someone 'out of the way' on a trumped up charge, whilst Himmler may also have kept him alive as a possible weapon to later use against Von Ribbentrop - Himmler having previously been on good terms with Von Ribbentrop but eventually becoming yet another opponent of him. Nest of vipers.
Yeah, the German government does a great show of trotting out the zillion year old Nazis now and charging them as they have days left to live, meanwhile, in the aftermath of the war they gave the architects and worst guards at the camps slaps on the wrist, if any punishment at all.
@@MarkEliasGrant The genocide wasn't given the publicity at the time which it occupies today. People were more concerned with the war being finally over. Many were rejoicing that their servicemen husbands, brothers etc. were finally coming home while others were grieving their dead who would not be returning. Few would have cared about such an event as the Wannsee Conference. In fact, General Eisenhower's book "Crusade in Europe£ and Churchill's "History of the Second World War" made scant, if any mention of these events. I read both histories back in the early 1960's and to the best of my recollection, they were silent on the subject.
@@jacksonreilly3441 They knew and didn't care. The West German foreign service was dominated by SS. They knew. They did NOT care.
@@MarkEliasGrant The Western allies realized that the war was over and the threat of Stalin's brutal hordes had to be resisted. Their erstwhile ally had become their enemy, as Hitler had accurately predicted. Germany was devastated and lay in ruins. She needed to be built up as a bulwark against the Bolsheviks and to do that, capable men were required. Most of the senior civil servants, judges, military officers etc. had risen through the ranks during the Third Reich and were seconded into the service of the West German Republic. This was a pragmatic understandable move. The old enemy had been defeated and the new enemy had to be resisted. Basically, you are right; they didn't really care because WWII was over and the Cold War had begun.
@@jacksonreilly3441 they sacked all the b'athists in Iraq and look how that turned out. After 12 of Nazi rule everyone was tainted in some way and if they'd got rid of every Nazi party member there'd have been no one left.
It's not justice. But after the Holocaust, what could possibly be just? Letting Germany collapse and descend again into madness or to build a successful democratic state?
Excellent video.
I’ve often wondered what happened to some of the participants.
Thanks!
Excellent & dare I say it, enjoyable video, thank you for your great work here.
Thanks for the comment Arthur. In 1979, World in Action published a documentary on the hunt for Josef Mengele and when it was over I said to my mother that I enjoyed that and she told me off for saying such a thing. If you are interested, I have covered some of the participants of the Wannsee conference in more detail!
@@HistoryonCZcams yes I intend watching some more of your work, and I have subscribed.
You should do a section on what happened to German embassies at the end of the war also which one was the last to close under the swastika .🤔👍
Interesting. What’s the answer?
Tokyo!
To let any of these guys off, while low level guards were prosecuted and executed is a travesty. Attendance at the meeting, and not having spoken up against the final solution, should have been enough evidence for a sentence of execution.
Well, we'll have a chance to mete out capital punishment at the upcoming trial of Fauci and his minions for the deaths they brought upon the USA and the world,
In order to understand this event, it is necessary to jettison the emotion and regard it strictly as a business meeting. The men who attended were not concerned with morality; they were totally immersed in figures, transportation logistics, numbers to be transported, possible exceptions and effects on the war effort. At the time and given the prevailing attitudes of the period, such a meeting would have been considered from those standpoints. Remember this happened 80 years ago and in another country. It is difficult for those in our time who recoil in horror at this event to place themselves in such a situation.
@@jacksonreilly3441
Blah, blah, blah. Murder is murder. Whether it’s 1940 or today. Nothing changes that. And we know that they knew this as well because they tried to cover it up at the end of the war. Are you ready to let Stalin and mao off the hook because it was a different time? Don’t be ridiculous.
@@at6686 What is this "blah, blah, blah" nonsense? Are you a teenager? You have offered no cogent response or refutation of my points but rather simply ranted on in a series of non sequitors. A very juvenile reply!
@@jacksonreilly3441
You said nothing of substance. Murder is murder. If it’s not refute that.
You are a gift to history. Thank you for holding up the truth♥️👍🏼
Thank you - that is nice to read.
One of the best things to watch on this is the film, "Conspiracy". Kenneth Branagh is Heydrich, Sam Tucci is Eichmann. A very good portrayal.
Tucci plays a phenomenal sociopath: servile to his superior and an utter bully to his underlings. He handles the rapid changes. Everyone is great in that film. It is maybe now "odd" that The King of The King's Speech - and The Kingsmen! - is playing a character boasting about his hatred of Jews.
Stanley Tucci.
@@denisesf5 yeah…sorry, ‘bout that…but I stand by my recommendation. An absolute must watch for anyone wanting to learn about this history.
I noticed from reading Wikipedia a few weeks ago that many of them were dead within a few years of the conference.
"Conspiracy" (2001). One of my favourite movies. I've watched it over a dozen times. There's something about it. Maybe it's just the mindless watching of an excellent movie with great acting and the food and drink look wonderful. China, silver, the opulence of the location and a good cigar. I've also watched "Die Wannsee Conference" (1984). Excellent also. The complete insanity of Germany in those times. Wonderful informative posting. Thank You
I have not seen Conspiracy but the 1984 German film was the second film I ever recorded! There is a new film about to be released.
Alfred Meyer died 11 April 1945, you stated 11 May but I'm sure you meant April. Nice video, this meeting is still fascinating to read and learn about.
Thanks for posting video, very interesting
Thank you. Good work.
Thank you too!
Wicked channel. Your videos should be shown in schools. I didn't know any of this info when I was a kid
Thank you! That is great to read!
The Guesthouse building by Wannsee lake ,that the conference was held in was turned into a recreational center by the US Army. I stayed there for 3 day in 1976 when my transportation company took commissary supplies for the American Berlin brigade. None of my companies personal felt comfortable there and we didn't know the building 's history. I have heard it is a museum now.
That is a great comment, I have a video coming up next month on the history of the building. It was used as a stop over for SS officers visiting Berlin, the location is outstanding, on the lake with lovely gardens - as you would have seen all those years ago. It is a museum now downstairs, upstairs there is a library on the Holocaust.
Wonderful presentation. We need more of this type of expose'.
Interesting facts mate, I look forward to seeing more
I upload every Friday at 20:00 CET Tony - although there are several hundred videos to be getting on with right now!
I've seen three or four films/docu-dramas on this in German and in English, all superbly acted. The bureaucracy of evil, inflated egos and personal competing agendas were fascinating to watch. Pretty interesting to see how the scripts developed and compared since the meeting minutes were pretty sparse.
Very interesting and well made. Gratuliere!
Thanks Leslie.
I really enjoy your videos. Also, I really wish you would do something with your audio to improve it. It's so very difficult to listen to on my phone.
I don't know what to do Sheri unless it is the room where I am which is pretty bare. I bought a new microphone last month but it does not seem to make any difference. I also tried leaving the doors open too.
Thank you, very well done
Thanks for watching!
Many thanks for this video! I wish the 1984 movie had put the name and function of each participant as each begins their 1st speech at the conference table...in that way I could tie that image to the real folks whose photos you presented today...then I can re-watch your videos and also re-watch the movie, making the experience much richer...thanks again!
Or you could just try to relate it yourself, like a grownup.
I agree. Would've made the actor be that specific real person.
You should watch the movie CONSPIRATION with Kenneth Branagh 2001 the names titles and functions are all listed and the actors are pretty ressembling to those they are portraying
I believe there was a movie made of the conference just a few years ago and documentaries have improved since 1984.
@@johnwright291 Kenneth Branagh’s “Conspiracy”.
I just subscribed as soon as I saw the title, before watching the video.
I always wanted to know what happened to these evil men.
I knew how Reinhardt met his maker by watching some other documentary.
I knew how Göring met his maker by way of watching videos about the Nuremberg trials.
Now I expect I will learn about the rest of them.
I will do bios of the lot of them - in time!
Eichmann was hanged in Israel in 1962 after being snatched off the streets of Buenos Aires by a Mossad team and smuggled out of the country on an El Al flight.
The conference was conduted in the former Nazi finance minister's house on the Wansee. I stayed in that estate while taking the Berlin Orientation Tour as a soldier stationed in West Germany. It was the Berlin garrison transient barracks.
Every time I watch your videos I learn! I thought I knew a lot about world war II but I don’t. Great information.
There I was thinking they had all moved to Alabama or the likes of..😮#OperationPaperclip
I think that it is significant that over half of the participants were lawyers, some like Lange and Stueckart even having Doctorates. How did that joke go ? ......"A thousand lawyers at the bottom of the sea." ....
"A good start !".
I am doing a video on each of the attendees although it may take some time to get through all of them!
I defer to the Creator's knowledge as to whether or not what I write next is accurate: in the movie version That British Actor - no, the other one - proudly claims that everything they do is "legal." I wonder, but do not know, if that was part of their own "myth": "what we are doing is perfectly legal."
I suspect it is, because I do know that doctors were put behind the "selections" at the camps because the idea was this was medical treatment. For that, see Lifton's The Nazi Doctors.
@@DoctorX101 That book is an incredible journey of the lengths the human mind will go to justify the things we do. That one is up there with a survivors book called "There is Place on Earth" about her time in Birkenau.
@@DonLoco3 Thanks! I find it a useful rebuttal to those who ask "how could someone DO that?"
I would have added that it is thanks to Martin Luther that we know a) who was present at the conference and b) why they gathered. He was the only one who for one reason or another did not destroy his invitation, the list of participants and the agenda. His papers are the only copies that survived the war. Apparantly, he was arrested for trying to blackmail some people (other Nazi's ?), something many other Nazi's of course have done. But the fact that he was punished for it means he crossed some lines others didn't. Not far enough though to end up in front of an execution squad.
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Welcome aboard Denise - I am glad to see that there was at least one subscription today!
@@HistoryonCZcams You deserve many more. Lots of work going into your videos. Much appreciated! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Very well done nuts and bolts account of the subject at hand and the eventual fates of these often lesser known names from the Nazi criminal hierarchy.
CLARIFICATION: Reinhard Heydrich, a high-ranking SS officer who presided as chair over the January, 1942, conference, was seriously injured when a vehicle carrying him was struck in May of that year by an anti-tank mine thrown of a member of the Czech government-in-exile, causing the car to explode, resulting in internal injuries to him. He died June 4, 1942, in a Prague hospital.
So, he was assinated. I think you are splitting hairs here.
Correction - Heydrich died of Septicemia caused by the infection of a wound which in turn was caused by a hand grenade thrown into his open topped staff car during a planned assassination carried out by three Czech soldiers , though only 2 carried out the actual attack. The grenade was thrown by Sgt Jozef Gabcik.
@@501sqn3 So in other words he was assassinated.
@@HistoryonCZcams He was, but under the specific circumstances I have previously described.
to be mentioned also is the secretary who took the notes in the meeting - she passed in 2010
she even benefitted from gay marriage flaw and had a civil partnership in 2001
Great info! Many thanks!
Thanks for watching Pat. I upload every Friday at 20:00 CET if you are interested in such history!
Well done. It's really interesting what happened to those officials after the war. As for GESTAPO Muller, I expect that he'll turn up one of these days, as some construction crew is digging foundations, much the same way they discovered Borman back in the 70s
He could be under a building or a road Dave. It might not happen in our lifetime!
Of course. Probably several times as well.
@@HistoryonCZcams Some Berlin civilians, who were forced to carry German soldier bodies after the battle of Berlin by the Soviets, mentioned one particular body looked more official than others because of his uniform.
The British did interview them after the war and said they ID Muller from photos, but the issue was where the Soviets told the German civilians to put the bodies.
The Soviets put the bodies in a mass grave inside a Jewish cemetery; Jewish religion does not allow digging up bodies... So there's a lot of irony if that is Muller's final resting place.
I thought he was supposed to be burried on a jewish cemetary ?
There were many credible sightings of Borman in various South American countries years after the war. I believe that a high ranker such as Meuller also escaped possibly via the Vatican escape route. I don’t believe that the skeleton found in Berlin was Borman, it would be too good to be true.
They should make this mandatory history when we learn about WW2. We all nearly know about the conference but I can tell you, not many people knows what happened to people that where there.
Interesting. I am an ex-pat Canadian living in Germany for almost 20 years now. I remember when I came here, I would look at old people and I'd be thinking: 'and what did you do in the war?' Or people my age: what did daddy do in the war? I expect a lot got swept under the carpet by West Germany and the Americans.
The Americans (with the help of the Canadians- thank you very much) put an end to it. Afterwards we contented ourselves with punishing the most egregious monsters (but not nearly enough) and shutting the rest down [de-nazification]. I think it worked out pretty well.
I have listened to the first hand ✋ testimonials of Jewish people on the Shoah Holocaust channel on their experiences in the 30s leading into the war and beyond.
I cannot say I heard any act of sympathy from everyday Germans narrated by them. Only once or twice did I hear it in numerous testimonies.
One was when an anonymous person (presumably German) left a block of butter for a Jewish family slowly starving away due to restrictions imposed on them.
Another was a German soldier who took a Jewish family to a Polish farm and ordered the farmer to let them stay in the barn and bring them some milk 🥛and bread 🍞 - which saved their lives.
All the rest was a story of immeasurable cruelty and inhumanity.
We Americans are paying the price for our right-wing tendencies and hysteria that was our own making in the postwar period. At 80 years old now, I can truthfully say we Americas are failing faster then we care to notice. We have sold very great principles for pennies on the dollars.
Are you really canadian, or are you something else ?_
@@pierren___ I'm an interdimensional being from Tralfamadore. Take me to Justin.
I have seen two films about the Wannsee Conference: one was a 1984 German dramatization that I watched on German TV back in1985 (available in CZcams) while stationed in Germany as a US Army officer and then HBO's Conspiracy which is a British production filmed in real time based on how long the conference was supposed to have lasted. Both are excellent dramatizations and superbly acted. It is an interesting subject as are all subjects related to WWII. I have also read several books on the subject since watching the HBO drama. Great video.
The German film was the second video I had on VHS!
Both are fantastic. With the second - and I think you can find the mini "making off" on YT that is included in the DVD - they basically went to the site to scout it for set and were asked, "do you want to just film it here?" That and the museum basically offered to dress it as it was that day - with the china! I wonder if the scene where Flunky drops a plate and Stanley Tucci's Eichmann goes nuts - "HE PAYS FOR IT!" - was sort of a reference to that, but perhaps that is just my imagination. :)
Saw the HBO one. It was excellent.
Very well put thank you
Glad it was helpful!
I too am very interested in the fate of perpetrators after the war and this video was spot on. Glad to hear you plan to do more of this nature.
I certainly shall do!
The German Movie on this conference is outstanding. It has English subtitles.
thanks for the information
Always welcome
Well done, Thank you.
Thanks Tony, I upload every Friday at 20:00 CET if you are interested!
Great work!
Thank you!
Interesting. Especially as a backdrop to the excellent book Fatherland by Robert Harris.
Yes! The fate of people after the war is enlightening.⚖️
Well done video, thank you for the content. 1.25 playback speed makes it much better
My family story is that the conscription sent my grandfather crazy and he put his hands around my grandmother's throat and ran away from compulsory service was found but not jailed for attempted murder however lived his whole life till 1986 in a mental institution where they visited him initially yet I wasn't told of his story until he died . Its weird that despite the circumstances they maintained some contact and even mores so that he was a stone's throw from us and I was kept in the dark and not allowed to form an attachment or provide any consoling presence .
Now I know why my Grandfather changed his name after the war.
What was his name before the war.
Hopefully not with the initials A.H.
The Wannsee conference, of which only one copy remains, is a direct testimony to this gang of murderers.As a half austrian , i am happy that you have spoken about it.👍
The copy was actually found in Martin Luther's files
Thanks, great history! You left out a "Schreibtischtäter", a desk murderer, Ingeburg Werlemann. She was Eichmann's secretary who took down all the notes. Never charged after the war, she lived into her 90s.
She was not a participant as such, not the one who sat around the table asking questions - although she was the last witness and died not all that long ago.
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History is strange like that. Ethyl Rosenberg “typed up some notes” but there was never (that I am aware of) any hard proof she was a traitor or spy.
Excellent research......... A-1 content
Vielen Dank!
Why were so many allowed to walk away without imprisonment
thanks for the video
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Really like this guy's accent and speaking style. I've subscribed, jahwohl.
Thanks John! I am from Newcastle upon Tyne, hence the accent!
Warms my heart that Heydrich suffered a slow painful death.
Not painful enough though.......
One day I shall do a video on his life!
@@HistoryonCZcams I'll be looking forward to seeing it. Amazing how the Nazis never had a problem recruiting the worst. Or in their view, the best at being the worst.
The BBC drama of the conference with Kenneth Branagh is very good.
Very informative and interesting. Thank you. HEYDRICK appeared to be very impressive and smart.
Glad you enjoyed it - I have a lot more on this subject!
Simultaneously head of RHSA and SD while running protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia. When that didn't consume all his time, he flew fighter planes and chaired interdepartmental meetings and played the violin, and...
I like how I get a Mercedes commercial in the middle of this
Very informative video....thanks! I have watched Die Wannsee Conference (German 1984) when it first came out at a foreign film theater and a few times since. It's one of the best movies and the dialog is superb The characters were dynamic, bold and resolute. I felt that a good representation of anyone achieving high rank and or high office. Conspiracy was too "Hollywood"
I have not seen Conspiracy but it appears to have an all star cast. I am always fearful that I might end up confusing dialog in a film like that with reality.
How many mass murderers around the world could get away ? It's a shame!!
God will judge every human being , no one escapes justice !
Great video, would have been a good idea to place the names of the individuals below I n picture
Good idea - but I thought it was obvious. In this video it was not a problem, but sometimes I cannot find pictures of the people I am referring to - I just completed a video about someone for whom no pictures could be found. Demyansk is a very interesting battle!
Great video.
as a former berlin brigade soldier ive always been interested in what happened to the building were the conferenese took place
It is today a Museum remembering to that Conference which was held there. The movie "Conspiracy" was filmed at this original building - it´s adress is "Am Großen Wannsee 56 - 58" on the left side of the Lake.
Watch the German made movie "Die Wannseekonferenz" filmed in 1984....very well done. Hubris on steroids..
this is amazing
I really love this video and directly subscribed.
I would love to see a video on the Quandt family, owners of BMW VARTA and about a thousand other companies. I used to work for them in one of those company, where the German CEO always stated that "The Quandt's were clean during WWII"
Of course the arte docu "The silence of the Quandt's" depicted quite another reality.
Also interesting as one of the Quandt brothers ex wife married Joseph Goebbels and the wedding was held in his own mansion and he gave Hitler his own bed to sleep in.
Besides other interesting items.... Quite a juicy subject
Personally I also love the docu "Banking with Hitler" & "Hitler's American Business Partners"
besides the work of professor Anthony Sutton, gives together a whole other view of WWII
Thank you and with kind regards
That would be a bit hard for me, archival material all over the place and if I were to do it then I would want to present something different to the Arte material which I have seen. I have notes on another company Bose from Coburg, I started it quite negatively but in the end my opinions changed somewhat. I am nowhere near uploading that one.
@@HistoryonCZcams I am looking forward to all your videos. And specially the ones about the role of corporate owners that were essential for the NAZI regime! I understand copyright material is a problem, yet it should be if you add your own commentary, that should be excluded as it basically is by law. creative contribution or how that is called.. Sadly i do see CZcams often does not keep to that law..