Any movie on this event is bound to be more powerful in German than in English. Kenneth Branaugh is superb in 'Conspiracy', but these actors make it all look so disgustingly real. All the horrific laughter at sick jokes, the banging on the table when someone has said something particularly loathsome. Powerful stuff, this. Gut gemacht.
It probably was more like this because of them speaking German and of course the sick jokes as you mention…I highly doubt it the Germans acted like they did in conspiracy when this actually took place….still boggles the mind that a 90 min meeting would end 12 million peoples life’s.
Conspiracy is far more fleshed out, the fact that the stenographer has more lines than most of attendees is kind of telling, there's a lot more caricaturizing in this.
@@shakey3306. Well the term ‘banality of evil’ ascribed to the compartmentalisation, normalised insensitivity, and cold bureaucratic maneuverings behind the planning/execution of The Final Solution was coined almost 6 decades ago by the political philosopher Hannah Arendt, a German.
Watch Conspiracy from 2001 Kenneth Branagh And Does A 210% Phenomenal Portrayal Of SS Ober-Gruppenführer Head Of Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) In English Reich Security Main Office, The Sicherheitsdienst( SD) Kriminalpolizei ( Kripo) Sicherheitspolizei (Sipo) and Reichsprotector Of Bohemia And Moravia Reinhard Heydrich And Stanly Tucci Does A Phenomenal Portrayal Head Office Of Jewish Affairs Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann.
Reinhart Heydrich responded to unrest over conditions in Czechoslovakia by improving conditions. That's why the Jews had to assassinate him. Did you know there were protests by Czechs against his assassination? No of course you didn't.
Dietrich Mattausch is a veteran tv & theater actor in Germany. He´s most famous from the 80´s/ 90´s cult cop show "Der Fahnder", where he plays the uptight but lovable chief inspector Rick of the police precinct. Seeing him here as Heydrich, casually planning the "final solution" and flirting with the secretary is really strange if you know him only from that series.
@@floycewhite6991 Nonsense. Here a text from Radio Prague: They started with huge gatherings on Prague’s Old Town Square, at which Czechs were expected to demonstrate their loyalty to the Reich. The first of these was on June 2 1942, and one of those who spoke was the collaborationist Prime Minister, Jaroslav Krejčí, whose words held a thinly concealed threat. “Those of you who think it is enough just to express a few words of loyalty to the Reich and then go back to your old indifference are mistaken. The government will set up new bodies to control thoroughly just how well orders are respected. Anyone who fails to the interests of our nation and our obligations to the Reich, will be punished as he deserves.” To reinforce the message, the Gestapo began arresting and executing Czechs in huge numbers, reading out the long lists every day in their radio broadcasts. The massacre in Lidice came a few days later, and over the coming weeks the number of people executed ran into thousands. For the rest of the war the Protectorate was effectively under direct Gestapo control.
When my dad was stationed in Berlin back 1969-1973 I was able to visit this house and actually sat at the long conference table. Back then it was the US Military Recreation Center.
That must have been chilling. Imagine such a thing as the holocaust being discussed over a conference table, with a secretary taking meeting minutes. The ‘banality of evil’ indeed.
The villa was used by Red Army and US forces only before 1946. In 1946 the Magistrate of Berlin gained ownership of it and the villa was never used by US forces after that, let alone being a recreation center between 1969-1973. What you think the Wannsee conference building was,was actually the Villa Oppenheimer, called today Hans Arnhold Center. So I doubt you sat at the same table as Heydrich and the other a*holes sat.
@@susanboswell4117 agree. thank you. The other version reminded me of a visual attempt at creating poetry on the subject but for me, it had too many curlicues which led one's attention away from the subject, thank you!
"Die meisten Menschen brauchen visuelle Reize sonst schlafen sie ein bei Dir ." Ein Buch zu lesen muss für Sie wohl ein Ding der Unmöglichkeit sein. Da gibt es keinen Ton, und Bilder gibt es üblicherweise auch nicht
@@mari-greciaodal2436 I love both films. Conspiracy (2001) was more about Heydrich than the holocaust. It wasn't telling the same story. This film seems more about the evils of the Nazis and the horrors of the holocaust. It's more explicit. Conspiracy seemed more about the evils of Heydrich, the sycophants who lusted after the absolute power he wielded, and the fear he evoked in the most powerful Nazi leaders, all with an easy smile that was less sincere than a market trader trying to offload phony watches.
@crazy71achmed Die neueste Verfilmung aus 2021 finde ich wesentlich besser. Die Charaktere werden dort nicht überzeichnet, wie in der Verfilmung aus 1984. Insbesondere die Rollen/Interpretationen von Lüttge, Dietl und Busse wirken grotesk. Zumal diese Verfilmung auch Fehler aufweist, wie Minute 7:35 ff. So war Staatssekretär Dr. Wilhelm Stuckart kein SS-Führer ehrenhalber, sondern zu jenem Zeitpunkt selber SS-Gruppenführer (Gen.-Leutnant), ab 1944 sogar dann noch SS-Obergruppenführer, wie zuvor R. Heydrich.
die deutlich beste - aber nur schwer zu bekommende - ist die von HBO gemachte: "Conspiracy" mit Kenneth Branagh als Heydrich. Diese hier ist aber auch gut - es sind Schauspieler anwesend, die diesen Namen verdienen.
@@wilfriedhaas4127 da bin ich anderer Meinung. In "Conspiracy" ist einfach zu viel Gentleman-Attitüden und englisches Understatement in den Figuren. Das wirkt nicht mehr wirklich authentisch. Die Darstellung von Freisler geht doch gar nicht.
Brilliant, highly realistic film! I don't agree with those comments that say there's too much joking. That one bloke played by Jürgen Busse (a mainly comedic actor) might be a bit over the top. But in general I think it's absolutely plausible. It was a fairly informal breakfast meeting among comrades, and this is how they tend to go. We like to rid the Nazis of normal human qualities and think of them as a different species, but they simply weren't. Showing that makes the film so powerful.
You are so right about their being part of the human race, even though they had no humanity left inside. This should be a lesson to us all. I had a friend who said to look out for sin, because the results would be uncontrollable. It would take you further away from goodness faster and further than you could imagine. It will cost you more than you would ever want to pay.
@@flyingpotatoe1 I am German. My point obviously is not that such a character doesn't exist, but that it could have been better for the film if he'd toned it down a tad. But that's a question of taste, of course.
I’d even say it’s important to give them humanity because it shows that this can very well happen again and normal people can be formed into callous monsters. I don’t think we Germans are particularly more evil than other nations, the circumstances just made this tragedy happen in our country first.
This is a great movie. The whole thing only takes place in about three rooms, yet it was captivating and held my attention the entire time. I have read a lot about the conference, but to put visuals to it in a dramatic context made it come to life and as many others have said in the comments it was chilling.
The dialogues are fictitious about the meeting. Statements by National Socialists are sometimes used in these dialogues. Among others by Adolf Eichmann, who spoke of a "Pilatus-like" contentment after the war.
You can select “cc” in the vid settings, then choose “translate to English”. Although the vid I”m watching has the subtitles built in.@@brandonarmstrong2656
@basilmagnanimous7011 People sitting around a table and discussing how best to murder 11 million people like it's a logistical problem that needs to be solved is pretty scary.
A meticulous 90 minute, almost real-time reconstruction of one of humanity's darkest days. Mommertz deserved an Oscar for the screenplay, for its excellence and importance.
Yes. It's especially good for German speakers. The subtitles were good, but it is much more vivid in German. The only linguistic curiosity here was that all the actors spoke "Hochdeutsch" (Standardised German), whereas we know that many of the attendees spoke with local intonation - for example Adolf Eichmann, who had a pronounced Austrian inflection.
@taliabraver most of us have a country where serious doubtful stuff has happened. I live in Denmark, and we practiced race politics way up in the seventies in terms of forced sterilisation and such other measures. In fact, before the holocaust the German government envied the policies we were using, so there still is more to understand and expose in almost all societies.
if you live in germany for a long time and know about the culture and how planning during business meetings or even casual family meetings work, you know this movie describes pretty close what went down during that "Besprechung"
This was required to watch for a class I'm taking, and yikes. I knew it was terrible, but seeing it being carried out so calmly behind the scenes is bone-chilling. This is why it's important to study history, especially the worst parts of it.
Think how many times through history people have had similar plans for wholesale murder. Doesn’t say a lot for us as a species. That was bad enough. And then after there was the killing fields of Pol Potts and the Rwandan genocide. We never learn.
This movie is probably the closest thing to going back in time and seeing the conference unfolding in front of your eyes. This is even more chilling if you know German, the cynical talk about killing another million people like it's just another day in the office, the malicious laughter or people freezing to death in their seats and they're worried about the material damage because the seats are now "tainted by human remains". Absolutely horrifying.
That was a very serious course you took! It's good to face up to things, especially if your ancestors were involved. I've had to face up to some hard truth about my grandmother's great-grandfather.
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The bureaucratic side of mass murder the finalisation of the matter. Legality, Logistics and the the areas of authority and responsibilities. Chilling. The best portrayal of Wannsee I've seen.
Doesn’t come across as a nasty bit of work, although his performance is very good. There is a film of Heydrich exiting a building looking directly at the camera, phew not a man too be messed with.
The HBO movie IMO successful in focusing on the tense, arguments, hot-tempered debates between the members of the conference. I wish that movie was played by all the actors in the movie above. In German of course.
Powerful piece , so well done , I had the feeling of ease dropping or being the proverbial fly on the wall. The dubbing in of genuine German and the real pace of actual conversation lent an air of authenticity .
Ahh....what a great film! I remember seeing it in foreign film theater back in 1984....when I believe it came out. No propaganda, ...just the dialog from the original minutes and so well portrayed.
Indeed, a great film ! I had no idea the original minutes of the conference survived the final battle in central Berlin. May I ask, why the credits mention a Historical Advisor, Schlomo Aronsohn ? Surely he wouldn't have been present at that fateful meeting, so what was his contribution in the making of this film ? Just wondering...
Kenneth Branaugh starred in a brilliant production of "The Wannsee Conference" several years ago. The script was a literal recounting of the transcription of this meeting. Absolutely chilling. Truly "the banality of evil".
Agree that Conspiracy, starring the likes of Branagh, Stanley Tucci, Colin Firth and David Threlfall was a much better film. But it's interesting to compare and contrast the two very different reconstructions.
Stanley Tucci played Eichmann to perfection. Eichmann was an interesting character, going so far as to learn Hebrew in his twisted attempt to understand "the Jewish mind".
No, it manipulated the real conference transcripts. But then again, the transcripts themselves have been manipulated, directly and through translation.
Paul Mommertz wrote the play Die Wannseekonferenz in 1984. He used the Eichmann protocol, Eichmann's statements in his trial and written documents for dialogues that were as realistic as possible. Like the conference, the piece lasts 90 minutes and draws its effect from the technocratic coldness with which the participants negotiate the planned mass murder of 11 million people as a purely logistical problem.
There is no evidence that Heydrich, Mueller or Eichmann where anti Semitic before they joined the SS, which I find very interesting. Mueller did not join the Nazi party till 1940, which is nuts considering he was the head of the Gestapo. Always found these 3 very interesting.
I first saw the English version of this (called Conspiracy, released in 2001, with Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich and Stanly Tucci as Eichmann) many years ago, and I thought it MUST have been an adaptation from a play! It takes place in 3 rooms, but it doesn't have to. There was a lot of revision for the English screenplay, with more focus on Heydrich asserting absolute power over the bureaucrats and his decisiveness and efficiency in achieving what was already a foregone conclusion, and a little less attention paid to the contrast of the unspeakable horror of it all in contrast to the party atmosphere, but the overall feel is much the same. (Tucci's Eichmann is quite a bit oilier too.) I would love to see this as a live play. I wonder if a script has been done in English?
@@marianotorrespico2975Wow! I don’t know which business school you attended but I would avoid it at all cost. Neither business school I attended would, even in the slightest way, resemble this.
The German version from 1985 is definitively more convincing than Conspiracy. There is a bit too much of british coolness and restraint in the figures.
Wie schauerlich und gewissenslose ihre Einstellung zum Völkermord als angebliche Lösung des N.S. erfundenen Judenproblems! Wie kann man so leichtsinnig darüber lachen? Unbegreiflich!
It's particularly bizarre to hear them talking about "Jewish features" and saying "if we don't like the shape of their nose, that's enough" when a lot of them are sitting there sporting features I've always understood to be associated with Jewish stereotypes. The actor playing Gerhardt Klopfer, who I see is named Günter Spörrle, looks like he could have posed for one of Goebbels' "Der Jude" posters.
I remember this airing on IFC (The Independent Film Channel) in the 90s every now and then. 🤩 I never saw all of it, though. Thanks for giving us all the opportunity to watch this at our leisure! 😈
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@@alexfromboston8303 I just plug my TV into my laptop and use it as a monitor. I can't get TV reception where I live, and there's no damn way I'm paying $100 per month for cable. I use uBlockOrigin, but in the past month CZcams has gotten around it a few times, even locking my account until I disabled it once, but I just used a different account, and the plugin worked just fine. Now this account is working again too. I think they just had to update the plugin. (I use Firefox, not Chrome. Google has enough of my data, and they own both CZcams and Chrome.)
"competition is good for business" Always amaze how a dictatorship is in fact a chaotic agitation of differentdepartements and institution competing for power and priviliges from the authocrat leader, or how many resources they poured into the final solution in the middle of the greatest calamity for German people.
I’ve been to the Wannsee Konference Haus, it’s a lovely old house, nice gardens and beautiful views of the lake. All who attended the conference has their picture up on the wall, with a short history of their background. The most chilling in my opinion was Heinrich Müller, a real nasty piece. Well worth the visit
Heinrich Müller ironically wasn't a believer in National Socialism. He actually fought against them when they were running for power. He actually liked Stalin. Due to Müller's discipline and egotistical behavior, he only worked with the Nazis for power.
@@internetkurator9256 no, they don't. In part, they not even near what's in the protocol. The best movie about the conference is the german movie released in 2022, called "Die Wannseekonferenz".
One of the “best” German movies ever. The easiness, casualness of the evil captivates the viewer. The horror was not a movie, but bloody reality. Unbelievable that on 7 October 2023 similar barbarism happened again. This time in Israel. Is nothing learned?
The film was released 39 years after the end of that freaking war. Now we are 39 years after that movie's release. Let that sink in for a moment. In 1983/84 and in those times in general they had so many people who lived in Nazi Germany and could help with their experiences. My father was born in 1939 (another 39!), he turned 6 in August of 1945. He doesn't recall anything of the war, he was 5 when the war was over. He's now 83, still cruising with his best friend - his car - and sometimes my mom (81) gets with him. Both of them are incredibly healthy and mentally fit 🙏. Okay, I didn't find the way back on topic. Sorry ☺️ PS: I forgot to mention: I'm German :)
you mean that it was a succesful program T4 ? It strikes me as odd how Germans accepted to break the law of murder of civilians but they claim they followed medical ethics.
Very interesting observation, think about it, Germany hosted 1972 Olympic Games and 1974 FIFA World Cup, that was less that 30 years since the war ended. I'm sure there were some SS-man sitting at the stands cheering for the Germany who were never brought to justice
Even more disturbing is that these men weren’t on the face of it blood thirsty savages from a period in history that we would have referred them to have been just of their times, these were highly educated men some of which were doctors or lawyers from as you say….still within a lifetime ago involved in the wholesale industrialized slaughter of human beings! To say that this was unfathomably incomprehensible is an understatement!
@@mattg8431 And I'm sure there are still numerous Korean/Vietnam US Veterans running around with their bloody medals, being celebrated and worshiped for the killing of innocent children etc. Sooo, just shut up and think for a while...OK? And Yes, I am a German, one that has a gutful of your US arrogant, stupid hypocrisy. Thank you!
ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE?...LUDICROUS. WHAT ON EARTH HAS THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING OR THE ROOM S IN THE BUILDING GOT TO DO WITH THE COMINGS AND GOINGS AND DECISIONS TAKEN BY INDIVIDUALS AND GROUPS WHO HAPPEN TO HAVE CHOSEN THAT LOCATION...IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANY SIMILAR FACILITY ANYWHERE IN GERMANY OR AXIS OCCUPIED LAND. YOU MUST TRY HARDER.
"Conspiracy" w/Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich is an English version if people can't handle subtitles. Different choices were made (e.g. the character of Lange re: Latvia, a little more confusion or wariness at the start/less joviality prior to Heydrich's arrival and more tension at times) but still worth a watch. Branagh's Heydrich is ice cold.
@@taranullius9221 Branagh's Heydrich was too English, you could imagine him perhaps as a senior accountant in the East India Company but the athletic, charismatic Heydrich is obviously much more faithfully rendered here
I have watched the British movie "Conspiracy", this one and also the 2022 German movie. This one is by far the most realistic. The German 2022 movie felt like stylistic theater. "Conspiracy" was ok. This one has what I want in any movie: I don't think about the people being actors. They feel real. Given the subject matter, that is astounding acting. 😳
Harder for the actors in this version as they were all closer to the Nazi generation than anyone else. Dietrich Mattausch who plays Heydrich was born in 1940. Peter Fitz who plays Stuckart was born in 1931 and remembers the Nazis well. Reinhard Glemnitz who plays Josef Bühler was born in 1930. So they felt this much closer than British/Irish actors who were in the "Conspiracy".
It's interesting that the 2022 one is extremely close to this version from 1984 in terms of the script and the dialogue, but they are very different movies overall. In terms of realism, I'm torn. It's open to speculation, but I think the characters in the 1984 one are better, especially the SS characters - not in terms of physical resemblance, but in their demeanor. More "zackig" and tough-acting. The 2022 version benefits from new research and omits a few ahistorical artistic liberties (such as the inclusion of the Cozzi affair, which IRL only happened after the conference) of the earlier version. As a movie, the 1984 version is IMHO better. 2022 is deliberately boring and dour. Oh, and compared to either version "Conspiracy" is Hollywood schlock.
Conspiracy? No Conspiracy, this was an open government action. This very much resembles a typical German business meeting. A problem has been identified, several solutions have been explored and evaluated and a course of action is being decided. Unbelievable how the death of millions of people is so easily bantered about.
No the name does fit, because the result of this meeting was not at all open to the public, in fact the topic wasnt allowed to be talked about in public, they stuck to the story of "relocation" for the public because they feared the people would be "too soft" and try to stop them.
The portrayal of Rudolf Lange, SS commander in Latvia was more accurate than the way he was portrayed in the HBO 2001 "Conspiracy". The real Lange was a brute, a thug. A survivor of one of the concentration camps run by Lange said this about him "As far as Lange is concerned, he was the biggest murderer I have ever known. To write a book about him would definitely not be enough. As he is dead, it is no use talking about him. I would, however, mention that he was one of the most notorious anti-Semites in the 20th century. He hated Jews so much that he could not look at them; one never wanted to pass him either in the motor pool or anywhere else". That was Joseph Berman's description of Lange.
@@izzetkaanyuksel8940 Yes the subject matter they are discussing is literally condemning millions of people to a slow, cruel, systematic death. And I guarantee you it will be repeated again and again in the future because we can never learn from mistakes made in the past.
Jews and half Jews were not allowed to give the Nazi salute. It was a bit shocking that even after discussing how they planned on murdering millions, one half Jew who gave the Nazi salute was going to be picked up by the Gestapo.
It's unbelievable how relaxed and friendly these "gentlemen" seem when you have no idea why this is happening. Good direction and good actors, but I have to be honest. Thank you for sharing.
I didn’t know that this had already been done before. Obviously then, just by looking, Kenneth Branagh’s made for television film from 2001, conspiracy, is a remake of this.
Actually, there was even an earlier production by German TV in the 1960's, a black and white film. There is also now a new German TV version available, made in 2021, well done but still not as chilling as the 1984 version seen here.
@@SNP-1999 Thank you. I didn’t know about these versions either. The latter one will be under copyright. But the 60’s one might be in the public domain now and who knows, that also could possibly be on here then.
I've seen it several times also. One point that stuck with me, and I don't know if it was a point the film was trying to make. The different degrees of evil is shown well. The majority seemed to want a cut and dry genocide. Within them, are the ones who want it done humanely and others who just want it done. On the other hand, I believe its Kritzinger who doesn't want the 'final solution' but tries to persuade them to listen to his solutions first with letting Jewish blood be watered down through the generations and then sterilization. Also revolting evil ideas, but much better than the gas chambers. Picking the lesser of two evils in the most literal terms probably hasn't been shown so well, and its true which adds to it of course.
@@Kee2Oz Very good analysis. Thank you..Yes, I was also shocked at seeing it. It was an evil that was there with no emphasis. But completely deadly. I was bone-chilled when I finally felt it. Thank Yo.
i have watched this movie before but will watch it again.its scary how powerful humans....mostly men... make chilling decisions so casually and nonchonlantly...I have also watched the movie of Nuremberg trials...Power is like a flower in summer...fin ull bloom in the morning,withered the next day!
That scene where Eichmann is told to have fainted when he witnessed that attempted exhaust fumes execution: I heard that this is something that happened to Himmler (of all people) during a mass shooting. Was this also something that happened to Eichmann or is this just some creative liberty when they transferred and incident from Himmler to Eichmann?
I can't help, but think that meetings like this have and are being held by nefarious groups regarding the general population. The part that stood out for me is whereby they said that elimination would be achieved by "natural causes".
there is a newer version (2022) of this movie out there, that's less confusing (regarding who is who and represents what): "the conference" (with subtitles) or "die wannseekonferenz" (german without subtitles, freely available on ZDF-mediathek).
Also: The actor playing Lange is brilliant. The character is a hard core murderer and yet in the context of being in a room full of people who murder through bureaucracy he is the warmest person there, almost like an opera buffo baritone. He clowns with the dog, and at one point, at 54:00 tells the corpulent gaulieter "But it's our business" with a casual charm that makes him almost likeable. I like seeing the Nazi heirarchy depicted as human beings rather than cartoon monsters.
Yeah.. about as casually as Jay Cooke bragging to his friends that he could pay one half of the working-class to kill the other half... But it took Donald The Dumpster Trump and his Republican moonbat party,, along with the Q cult nutcase think tank WSs like Stephen Miller crafting loaded phrases and politically charged words into a psychologically demented,, combined racist/sexist/ anti- immigrant/ and RABIDLY "anti- democrat" narrative for the most intellectually challenged demographic in America -- lower class mostly middle aged white people.. this demographic had seen their standard of living erode year to year under both political parties,, and they were mostly the people who are going to vote for Bernie Sanders in 2016... And then The Dumpster comes along... I remember during the Republican clown car debate,, and being completely and totally disgusted and repulsed by this idiot Dumpster making jokes about Rosie O'Donnell, and playing to the crowd and the clown crowd just eating it up... But people who were used to so-called politics as usual took this as some novel new entertainment or something,, cheering for the dumpster and then when the Hillary Bernie switch came on, everybody was totally disgusted with both the Democratic party and the Republican clown car and for some reason elected The Dumpster... It's pretty obvious that politicians lie all the time, it shouldn't come as anyting new but then the dumpster with his ridiculous claims that he wanted to "drain the swamp", when most ordinary people knew that Dumpster IS THE SWAMP, was stupid but to people who don't understand what the term means, it just sounds good... Same with fake news, everybody knows that the news slanted stories and most people were aware that it was because the corporate owners of news corporation's make themselves and their causes look better for the media,, dumpster started getting this Q intelligence about what people were saying on the internet, all of a sudden he starts calling it fake news and people act like, oh the dumpsters a God, oh he's our messiah, oh he's a guru, oh *he knows what I'm thinking,* and from then on The Dumpster was some kind of ridiculous superhero dumb f*** or something... Of course *we know now that that's exactly the behavior of a cult* ,, but even now most people involved in it don't know it's a cult because The Dumpster is still doing it... POINT IS,, we have the dumpster using social media, which has never been done before in history to gather a political nutcase following,, and his nut case Q Oracle continuously scanning social media threads to see what new terms the dumpster should use,, whipping people up with basic fears,, race sex and territory, that are built on nothing but lies but since they're God the dumpster is still knows what they're thinking, they think he's beyond any wrong... And this nutcase following actually cheers when The Dumpster commits sexual assault, cheers when The Dumpster calls BLM and civil rights activist and people demonstrating for police accountability Communists and socialists and Marxists AND THEN IT TELLS HIS NUTCASE FOLLOWING AT THAT THEY WON'T HAVE A COUNTRY ANYMORE if they don't follow his lunatic directions... MEANWHILE HE'S PUSHING GUN OWNERSHIP and saying you can't let them take your guns, you won't have a country anymore... The guy's a lunatic grifter Dumpster fire and people stock up on guns and ammo waiting for The Dumpster to tell them when to take the capitol, or of course they "won't have a country anymore..." The Dumpster was actually annoyed that there weren't any weapons in the riot at the Capitol... He was hoping for them, and you could tell that he was hoping for them because he requested 10000 national guard to guard HIMSELF... Point is,, the political system in this country is causing so much social friction from above that Jay Cookes wet dream would be a matter of just sitting back, everybody's already bought their own guns so Jay Cooke wouldn't have even have to pay them...
This was pretty good considering that a lot of the details discussed at Wannsee were redacted under the orders made to Eichmann. In fact, the hypothesized "crudeness" of parts of the conversations were well interpreted. Eichmann is portrayed as far too likeable and handsome. Native German speakers will also note that Gerd Böckmann (Adolf Eichmann) speaks a very distinct "High-German", whereas Adolf Eichmann spoke in a very pronounced Austrian tone.
Do you have any reference for that? I can only find Eichmann talking during the "Eichmann process". Eichmann spoke hochdeutsch, no Austrian accent noticable. ( I am German).
@@ulicadluga Thank you for the link. In a way you are right. But as a native German I would never be able to hear any austrian accent concerning Eichmann. I can only notice that he is pronouncing the "ei" such in "einen" "einer" in a very moderate way as austrians do. But it is also pronounced this way in some areas of "Baden-Württemberg" especially in the region aroung the "Bodensee". The way Eichmann rolls the "R" is not comparable to the austrian dialect. It is just the old fashion german way. In German speaking countries (especially in Germany) many rolled the "R" this way. This is supposed to have started in the theatres and the operas due to the fact that they had no microphones. Especially in the Nazi regime almost everbody would roll the "R" that way. In the existing dialects the pronounciation of the "R" sounds very different, even when it is a rolling sound. "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" All of the actors in this movie rather talk a modern, sloppy/casual German of the eighties until today (especially Heydrich) than that old fashion way of the Forties and before. So by that the whole conference is transported into the recent time period. In my opinion this has an enormous effect. This is a master strike. For me as a German that strikes me. For I have the feeling that this conference is not something that happened in ancient times ... long ago.... in some foreign country where they talked in a strange german way. This is the way the managers of a company would discuss a future program. Also Kritzinger talks in a very soft way. He is concerned. But his concerns are in fact not about the inhumanity of the planned actions. But by letting the participants talking the modern German, as a German this gives me chills. Thereby I can absolutely feel and sense the banality of the evil (see Hannah Arendt). I don´t think this movie is about giving an exact historical portray of the participients. (Then they all would have to talk in this old fashion style that is not spoken in Germany anymore.) It has the intention to make tangible the banality of the evil. And therefore it is irrelevant to imitate Eichmann´s way to talk. Also one doesn´t see and hear Eichmann a lot. But his personality is portrayed with a brilliant performance of the actor. Eichmann didn´t feel accepted. They often joked that he had jewish looks. You can feel his insecurties, but yet that he is totally deprived of his feelings. That he is overly ambitious, a typical german official that is determined to make career in his "own war", the genocide, the planned massmurder of 11 million jews, the homosexuals, the gypies, the poles, every single person that doesn`t totally submit to the regime and so on. During the whole movie I felt sick and terrified and hurt. I even feel pyhsically that my heart aches. And this is due to the fact, that they talk the modern German in the movie.
@@antoniav.9553 You are, of course, absolutely right to point out that the use of "modern" "high German" makes it easier to understand the underlying mentalities. I agree that that works very well. For me, the inclusion of the natural dialects would have given an interesting historical context. As an apparent Countryman ("Landsman") of Hitler, Eichmann's career might have been helped somewhat. Also, Eichmann wouldn't have fitted in very well with the "Prussian" aristocracy, which still controlled the army to a great extent. Eichmann's "role" as the callous brute, ("Richter und Henker") may have been affected, as Hitler's ambitions were, by his inner conflict with his somewhat Austrian background. Underlying insecurities often are compensated by great and ruthless ambition.
I like this version more compared to the HBOs The Conspiracy version, or the modern adaptation The Conference. This old version is the most realistic to me.
One thing about post-war German filmmakers is that when they want to make movies that deal with war events, they go all out to make them authentic, honest, and objective. What comes to mind are the movies Das Boot, Stalingrad, and now this. Yes, it is chilling, to see how this conference went down, and the cavalier way in which these maniacs discussed the matter of The Final Solution. All this while innocent people were suffering and dying for nothing, and while being unaware what was being plotted and planned for them. Personally, I think it's much better than the mainstream one produced titled Conspiracy, for the name-brand actors aren't as convincing as the ones in this film are. Not to mention, this movie serves as important documentation for history books, by providing the viewer with a deeper understanding of the significance of the event.
Until the 1980s, the subject of war guilt was taboo in both Germanies. To their credit, they've owned up to the evil they wrought, unlike the Japanese.
I really enjoyed the English version Conspiracy. After watching this one for the first time, I think Stanly Tucci's Eichmann was better - creepier - but I think both Heydrichs were on par with each other. I love Branagh, and his pace and his command of the scene was outstanding, but so was Mattausch in this film. I think the English actors were all quite good, as were the German actors. I wonder how long it takes an actor to get into a role like Heydrich, and how long it takes to clear the filth out of their brain after it's done. I've got mad respect for both Mattausch and Branagh for going through it all to bring this ugly chapter of history to life for the rest of us. They obviously studied the guy thoroughly. They got inside his foul head. What an ugly place that must have been.
@@beenaplumber8379the english version has the major disadvantage of language. The german spoken here is not how people speak now or even in the 80s. The details in language, the melody, the attitude and wordings used to cover up the horror play a huge role in this. That is why this version stands out in my opinion
Als wäre es darum gegangen, einer Seuche den Garaus zu machen. Gerne hätte ich diese Herrschaften gefragt, ob ihnen klar war, was sie da beschlossen hatten. Auch hätte ich die Schauspieler gerne gefragt, wie sich das angefühlt hat, diese Rollen zu spielen.
We do not have many first-hand documents concerning the holding of this conference in Wannsee. However, this (German) version presents some claims which are not corroborated by any archival document. For example, no document suggests that there was a woman at the meeting table, or even in the room where it took place. Also, Heydrich had made Eichmann his first assistant; he had been given the task of managing the administrative file (bureaucracy) of the Final Solution. So it's highly unlikely that at the conference table, Eichmann (with full case details in hand) was seated this far from his boss and chief operating officer, Heydrich. But good point, overall the film does not offer any ideological bias.
I think the lady is supposed to fill a "fish out of water" trope so that the other members can explain things that otherwise would seem out of place. Just a guess though.
The document in question is around 12 pages and lays out very broad strokes of what was said and done. So despite saying that a movie is based on it, most of the movie has no choice but to be speculative. I did read the minutes and it doesn't give out much details as to how the meeting went, it's more about who said what about what subject.
@@TurboPelvis Essentially you can take everything that is spoken informally or things that are not part of the official meeting such as the talks between Heydrich, Eichmann, Müller and Lange before and after to be not part of the minutes and not documented. They are however backed up by historic references of what actually happened at that time.
@@Blackstaralpha Yeah of course there are testimonies on what happened. I doubt that there is enough of those to fill all of the voids though. Testimonies can also be false, warped of misinterpreted. Hey I am not criticizing though. We just need to keep the perspective that this is a movie and that it needs to fill some gaps and adapt from the source material. As I said the minutes are very broad and disappointingly vague. The movies do not stray far from what is written though.
The translation could have been better in details. This German TV movie is based on the original minute but still author Paul Mommertz took himself some liberties. Nevertheless this movie should be a warning to all of us. It did happen! It's not a dystopy, and it's not a horror picture - it really happened back then. We can't change history and we can't make it undone but at least we should learn our lesson from the past. Never again! All those who call for a "strong hand" in Germany should never forget that this "strong hand" might quickly turn out to be a monster. Watching this movie again tonight really gave me chills. There's only a thin line between man and monster.
‘Never again”? 😂 What ARE you talking about? Do you know what the Chinese are doing TODAY to the Uigers? (Spelling wrong). Do you know what the Ukrainians are doing TODAY to the ethnic Russians in the Donbas area? Are you aware that Biden and the UK are TODAY funding the wiping out of Russian young men? Do you know about the domestic s1@ves in every middle class household TODAY in the Middle East? Do you know about the hundreds of thousands of children kidnapped every year NOW in the USA and the Far East who are forced into s*x s1@.very and then killed when they get too old? Have you not noticed the orchestrated erasure of the indigenous culture in Europe which is going on TODAY?
I think a lot of nations have forgotten their history, and this sort of thing looks very possible in places I never imagined, including the US. Our previous president came very close to scrapping our constitution and installing himself as an authoritarian ruler when he lost the election. He's already said now that he's going to politicize the justice department (get rid of the civil service and replace them with political appointees loyal to him) if he's re-elected and use it to purge his enemies. There's a very good chance that narcissistic maniac could be back in power in another year. Replacing the civil service with his appointees is easier said than done, but that's one of his announced plans. The world should be very concerned. I don't know if our constitution will survive another term if he's re-elected. Many of his followers are zealots without ideology, and at their core is a smaller (but growing) group who are unafraid of violence. They believe they're fighting for the good of our country, just like the early Nazis did. He promotes fear and hate, and he has designated racial, ethnic, and religious scapegoats. I know that comparing someone to Hitler or the Nazis generally invalidates what they say on the Internet, but that's how I see it, and I'm scared. How many times have people cried out "never again," and how many times since then have we sat and watched genocide after genocide? We see the signs early on, and we do nothing. Thousands are murdered and we do nothing. Am I on the wrong planet?
From what I read of articles and reviews about the movie, up until the conference started, it's all fiction, even the conversation was make-up. Still the dialogue able to convey the feelings and situation at the time. It's like job for them.
@@andresihotang8866 No kidding the conversations are made up, andre. Most of it is used to convey to the audience the SS’ plan to organize extermination efforts and how nonchalantly minorities and “subhumans” were seen by the upper administration of Nazi germany. These conversations serve a purpose for exposition.
Of all the participants one of the most interesting is Roland Freisler who would achieve notoriety as the Reich's "Hanging Judge" who presided over the show trial of the July 20 conspirators.
Looking from afar and without the uniforms, this would’ve looked like a routine business meeting. Banality of evil, there’s always an Eichmann in all of us.
The difference between a nun caring for orphans and mauling them with a machete in Rwanda was 15 minutes of a radio broadcast. The veneer of civilized behavior is paper thin in all of us.
One huge difference between _Conspiracy_ (2001) and this film is the introduction of all the main characters in _Conspiracy._ Here you have to know who's who already. There are a couple of minor differences; Stukart in an SS uniform in, while in _Conspiracy_ he wore a civilian suit, and the completely different potrayal of Lange. I'd say that this film is far more accurate, but in fairness to _Conspiracy,_ it was never meant to be a historic documentary, but an English film for an English audience.
@@bobbyfischerman4811 A lot of things humanity has done are pretty incredible. Like flying, going to fucking space etc. Should that also tell me something?
Who was responsible for these subtitles? This translation is wrong from start to finish. The conference was held in 1942 and not in 1984, over 40 years later as shown in the film. The film was probably shot in 1984. All mixed up.
One of the most chilling movies and some of the best acting ever recorded. A truly dark masterpiece which should be watched by every human being. There is only ONE (if we repent) who can forgive sin.
He was killed to protect Wilhelm Canaris I guess. Google Canaris. Very interesting character. "Wenn ich gehe, kommt Heydrich und dann ist alles verloren."
Any movie on this event is bound to be more powerful in German than in English. Kenneth Branaugh is superb in 'Conspiracy', but these actors make it all look so disgustingly real. All the horrific laughter at sick jokes, the banging on the table when someone has said something particularly loathsome.
Powerful stuff, this. Gut gemacht.
It probably was more like this because of them speaking German and of course the sick jokes as you mention…I highly doubt it the Germans acted like they did in conspiracy when this actually took place….still boggles the mind that a 90 min meeting would end 12 million peoples life’s.
Powerful propaganda and lies.
@@WillCutting-ms2wywhat?
Are you one of those brainwashed fascists who think the Holocaust isn’t true?
Conspiracy is far more fleshed out, the fact that the stenographer has more lines than most of attendees is kind of telling, there's a lot more caricaturizing in this.
@@WillCutting-ms2wy it's always nice to see Nazi sympathizers in CZcams comment sections- it makes you instantly feel a lot better about yourself.
What I find terrifying, is the "normality" od the meeting. with humour, drinks, and reasonable conversation.
Yes, typical german buerocratism...destroing the world in an relaxed atmosphere...
Oh an american…
@@shakey3306. Well the term ‘banality of evil’ ascribed to the compartmentalisation, normalised insensitivity, and cold bureaucratic maneuverings behind the planning/execution of The Final Solution was coined almost 6 decades ago by the political philosopher Hannah Arendt, a German.
Well, it is a propaganda movie after all. As is Schindlers List. As is Inglorious Basterds.
@@DirrdyMoe Propaganda? On behalf of whom?
Mattausch is amazing as Heydrich. Superb performances from all actors.
Yes, that was my first impression, too. Heydrich and Eichman were notable.
Watch Conspiracy from 2001 Kenneth Branagh And Does A 210% Phenomenal Portrayal Of SS Ober-Gruppenführer Head Of Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) In English Reich Security Main Office, The Sicherheitsdienst( SD) Kriminalpolizei ( Kripo) Sicherheitspolizei (Sipo) and Reichsprotector Of Bohemia And Moravia Reinhard Heydrich And Stanly Tucci Does A Phenomenal Portrayal Head Office Of Jewish Affairs Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann.
I believe Reinhard Heydrich would have been a bit more menacing in real life, but he was good.
@@panathatube From what I've read in biographies, he was very charming at the personal level. It's one of the reasons why people confided in him.
Mattausch was also good in a TV Show called “Der Finder” with Klaus Wennemann (from Das Boot).
So realistically acted out by the actors. It looks so chillingly real.
Right, superb portrayals by all actors,very convincing.
Excellent film, great actors. The guy playing Heydrich was amazing, he came across as both charismatic, cunning and scary.
Reinhart Heydrich responded to unrest over conditions in Czechoslovakia by improving conditions. That's why the Jews had to assassinate him. Did you know there were protests by Czechs against his assassination? No of course you didn't.
Dietrich Mattausch is a veteran tv & theater actor in Germany. He´s most famous from the 80´s/ 90´s cult cop show "Der Fahnder", where he plays the uptight but lovable chief inspector Rick of the police precinct. Seeing him here as Heydrich, casually planning the "final solution" and flirting with the secretary is really strange if you know him only from that series.
@@floycewhite6991 Heydrich was certainly not assassinated for improving anything.
@@floycewhite6991 yeah, he allowed the czech workers to have 600g of bread instead of 400g daily..what a saint..May He Rest in hell
@@floycewhite6991 Nonsense. Here a text from Radio Prague: They started with huge gatherings on Prague’s Old Town Square, at which Czechs were expected to demonstrate their loyalty to the Reich. The first of these was on June 2 1942, and one of those who spoke was the collaborationist Prime Minister, Jaroslav Krejčí, whose words held a thinly concealed threat.
“Those of you who think it is enough just to express a few words of loyalty to the Reich and then go back to your old indifference are mistaken. The government will set up new bodies to control thoroughly just how well orders are respected. Anyone who fails to the interests of our nation and our obligations to the Reich, will be punished as he deserves.”
To reinforce the message, the Gestapo began arresting and executing Czechs in huge numbers, reading out the long lists every day in their radio broadcasts. The massacre in Lidice came a few days later, and over the coming weeks the number of people executed ran into thousands. For the rest of the war the Protectorate was effectively under direct Gestapo control.
When my dad was stationed in Berlin back 1969-1973 I was able to visit this house and actually sat at the long conference table.
Back then it was the US Military Recreation Center.
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That’s incredible.
That must have been chilling.
Imagine such a thing as the holocaust being discussed over a conference table, with a secretary taking meeting minutes. The ‘banality of evil’ indeed.
@ge ce If I read this correctly, my father was stationed at Tempelhof.
The villa was used by Red Army and US forces only before 1946. In 1946 the Magistrate of Berlin gained ownership of it and the villa was never used by US forces after that, let alone being a recreation center between 1969-1973. What you think the Wannsee conference building was,was actually the Villa Oppenheimer, called today Hans Arnhold Center. So I doubt you sat at the same table as Heydrich and the other a*holes sat.
there's pragmatism and cold-bloodedness in this version which is far more frightful than in "conspiracy."
I like this version better. It was on pbs in 1990.
@@susanboswell4117 agree. thank you. The other version reminded me of a visual attempt at creating poetry on the subject but for me, it had too many curlicues which led one's attention away from the subject, thank you!
"Die meisten Menschen brauchen visuelle Reize sonst schlafen sie ein bei Dir ."
Ein Buch zu lesen muss für Sie wohl ein Ding der Unmöglichkeit sein. Da gibt es keinen Ton, und Bilder gibt es üblicherweise auch nicht
@@elkeospert9188 i don't speak German. but i would certainly appreciate knowing what you've written. do you speak English? thank you.
@@mari-greciaodal2436 I love both films. Conspiracy (2001) was more about Heydrich than the holocaust. It wasn't telling the same story. This film seems more about the evils of the Nazis and the horrors of the holocaust. It's more explicit. Conspiracy seemed more about the evils of Heydrich, the sycophants who lusted after the absolute power he wielded, and the fear he evoked in the most powerful Nazi leaders, all with an easy smile that was less sincere than a market trader trying to offload phony watches.
Meiner Meinung nach die deutliche bessere Verfilmung als die von 2001 und 2022.
Auf jeden Fall
@crazy71achmed Die neueste Verfilmung aus 2021 finde ich wesentlich besser. Die Charaktere werden dort nicht überzeichnet, wie in der Verfilmung aus 1984. Insbesondere die Rollen/Interpretationen von Lüttge, Dietl und Busse wirken grotesk. Zumal diese Verfilmung auch Fehler aufweist, wie Minute 7:35 ff. So war Staatssekretär Dr. Wilhelm Stuckart kein SS-Führer ehrenhalber, sondern zu jenem Zeitpunkt selber SS-Gruppenführer (Gen.-Leutnant), ab 1944 sogar dann noch SS-Obergruppenführer, wie zuvor R. Heydrich.
die deutlich beste - aber nur schwer zu bekommende - ist die von HBO gemachte: "Conspiracy" mit Kenneth Branagh als Heydrich. Diese hier ist aber auch gut - es sind Schauspieler anwesend, die diesen Namen verdienen.
@@wilfriedhaas4127 da bin ich anderer Meinung. In "Conspiracy" ist einfach zu viel Gentleman-Attitüden und englisches Understatement in den Figuren. Das wirkt nicht mehr wirklich authentisch. Die Darstellung von Freisler geht doch gar nicht.
Brilliant, highly realistic film!
I don't agree with those comments that say there's too much joking. That one bloke played by Jürgen Busse (a mainly comedic actor) might be a bit over the top. But in general I think it's absolutely plausible. It was a fairly informal breakfast meeting among comrades, and this is how they tend to go. We like to rid the Nazis of normal human qualities and think of them as a different species, but they simply weren't. Showing that makes the film so powerful.
You are so right about their being part of the human race, even though they had no humanity left inside. This should be a lesson to us all. I had a friend who said to look out for sin, because the results would be uncontrollable. It would take you further away from goodness faster and further than you could imagine. It will cost you more than you would ever want to pay.
He is not playing it over the top. I knew a few guys who are realy like that. It's a type that you see in germany.
@@flyingpotatoe1 I am German. My point obviously is not that such a character doesn't exist, but that it could have been better for the film if he'd toned it down a tad. But that's a question of taste, of course.
hewas a good man
I’d even say it’s important to give them humanity because it shows that this can very well happen again and normal people can be formed into callous monsters. I don’t think we Germans are particularly more evil than other nations, the circumstances just made this tragedy happen in our country first.
This is a great movie. The whole thing only takes place in about three rooms, yet it was captivating and held my attention the entire time. I have read a lot about the conference, but to put visuals to it in a dramatic context made it come to life and as many others have said in the comments it was chilling.
What makes you believe, that anything in this War-Winner's 'Commedian' could be Truth.. (?) 🤔
Only (j*wish-)Lies.. (in my Opinion and Investigation) .. 🤔
The dialogues are fictitious about the meeting. Statements by National Socialists are sometimes used in these dialogues. Among others by Adolf Eichmann, who spoke of a "Pilatus-like" contentment after the war.
I wish they had a voice dubbed English translation, running over the top of this dialogue, being as I don’t understand German
You can select “cc” in the vid settings, then choose “translate to English”. Although the vid I”m watching has the subtitles built in.@@brandonarmstrong2656
One of the scariest movies I have watched . The horror and the banality of horror as Rees described it is so real
Are the are and ghost, demon, aliens? Or jumpscare? 🤔
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@basilmagnanimous7011 People sitting around a table and discussing how best to murder 11 million people like it's a logistical problem that needs to be solved is pretty scary.
@@arielquelmeSomething much scarier… bureaucrats with cool suits.
Hannah Arendt, Jewish philosopher who coined the phrase banalaotof evil
Excellent film...thank you for giving us the opportunity to view this masterpiece again. 😊👍
A meticulous 90 minute, almost real-time reconstruction of one of humanity's darkest days. Mommertz deserved an Oscar for the screenplay, for its excellence and importance.
"one of humanity's darkest days"..... yes it was, very good way of explaining it and makes one think
@@PolPotsPieHole Makes one wonder just how high horseshit can be piled before people start asking the correct questions.
Keine hunde liebe mehr ...
look at stalin and the bolshiviek jewish leaders yagoda and levy sent 10.s of millions to their deaths@@golohanser6178
Best version of all.
It is. The acting is superb.
Thanks for the German version. It's a little more effective for the ambiance of this meeting.
Yes. It's especially good for German speakers. The subtitles were good, but it is much more vivid in German. The only linguistic curiosity here was that all the actors spoke "Hochdeutsch" (Standardised German), whereas we know that many of the attendees spoke with local intonation - for example Adolf Eichmann, who had a pronounced Austrian inflection.
No music, no special effects, just bureaucracy. They could have talked about any other topic. Very accurate, very chilling.
@Eunegin23 exactly.. the consequences of this meeting are not even clear to the people who are executing the orders.
If I was german I would be angry and embarresed.Every generation has to live withthis,and now with the internet the world can see.
@taliabraver most of us have a country where serious doubtful stuff has happened. I live in Denmark, and we practiced race politics way up in the seventies in terms of forced sterilisation and such other measures. In fact, before the holocaust the German government envied the policies we were using, so there still is more to understand and expose in almost all societies.
Absolutely chilling.
It's hard to imagine people sitting around speaking so brutally frankly about wholesale, industrial-scale murder.
...because... it's bullshit?
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@@gmc2044 here is mistaken hole jr.
if you live in germany for a long time and know about the culture and how planning during business meetings or even casual family meetings work, you know this movie describes pretty close what went down during that "Besprechung"
This was required to watch for a class I'm taking, and yikes. I knew it was terrible, but seeing it being carried out so calmly behind the scenes is bone-chilling. This is why it's important to study history, especially the worst parts of it.
Think how many times through history people have had similar plans for wholesale murder. Doesn’t say a lot for us as a species.
That was bad enough. And then after there was the killing fields of Pol Potts and the Rwandan genocide. We never learn.
This movie is probably the closest thing to going back in time and seeing the conference unfolding in front of your eyes. This is even more chilling if you know German, the cynical talk about killing another million people like it's just another day in the office, the malicious laughter or people freezing to death in their seats and they're worried about the material damage because the seats are now "tainted by human remains". Absolutely horrifying.
@@tacidian7573 It is human nature. Genocidal, vile chimps.
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That was a very serious course you took! It's good to face up to things, especially if your ancestors were involved. I've had to face up to some hard truth about my grandmother's great-grandfather.
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The bureaucratic side of mass murder the finalisation of the matter.
Legality, Logistics and the the areas of authority and responsibilities.
Chilling. The best portrayal of Wannsee I've seen.
Best Heydrich so far
Nah.
By far
Doesn’t come across as a nasty bit of work, although his performance is very good. There is a film of Heydrich exiting a building looking directly at the camera, phew not a man too be messed with.
I found this much better then the HBO version. I originally watched this on VHS in the early 90's
The HBO version had Stanley Tucci as Eichmann?
The HBO movie IMO successful in focusing on the tense, arguments, hot-tempered debates between the members of the conference. I wish that movie was played by all the actors in the movie above. In German of course.
@@andresihotang8866 Did Eichmann really tell one of the servers that Schubert was "sentimental Viennese sh*t"?
@@maxhouse2409 yes
Powerful piece , so well done , I had the feeling of ease dropping or being the proverbial fly on the wall. The dubbing in of genuine German and the real pace of actual conversation lent an air of authenticity .
The translation is of medium quality
@@XXXXXX-ld7rs haha when Tom said it was genuine translation i was thinking only way youd know that mate is if u spoke German.
The translation is extremely simplified.
It’s not authentic, the entire dialogue is made up by the script writer.
The newer version in English, by Kenneth Branagh, with Colin firth and other a listers, excellent!! Called Conspiracy! Highly recommend!
This movie is a masterpiece! Actors' performances are excellent. I couldn't take eyes off it when I watched this movie. Thanks for uploading it. 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you for good quality upload with English subtitles.
This is another film I haven't seen since the 1980's. Thank You for posting it.
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Ahh....what a great film! I remember seeing it in foreign film theater back in 1984....when I believe it came out. No propaganda, ...just the dialog from the original minutes and so well portrayed.
Indeed, a great film ! I had no idea the original minutes of the conference survived the final battle in central Berlin. May I ask, why the credits mention a Historical Advisor, Schlomo Aronsohn ? Surely he wouldn't have been present at that fateful meeting, so what was his contribution in the making of this film ?
Just wondering...
@@dietmarwolf79Maybe After the isralis caught Eichmann, that he gathered some infos from ihm. But These are just my thoughts
@@arminiuscherusci4410 quite plausible, Mossad would have squeezed him like a lemon.
@@dietmarwolf79 i would have if i was in their position!
@@dietmarwolf79 You are asking the right questions.....
What an immense movie...well done
The actor playing Heydrich is brilliant in this.
I've seen about 1/3 of it so far and at least up to that it's the best movie I've seen about Wannsee
Kenneth Branaugh starred in a brilliant production of "The Wannsee Conference" several years ago. The script was a literal recounting of the transcription of this meeting. Absolutely chilling. Truly "the banality of evil".
Agree that Conspiracy, starring the likes of Branagh, Stanley Tucci, Colin Firth and David Threlfall was a much better film. But it's interesting to compare and contrast the two very different reconstructions.
I like both. Somehow it's more chilling for me in the original language.
@@MartyMolloy Don't forget the appearance by then unknown Tom Hiddleston as phone operator
Stanley Tucci played Eichmann to perfection. Eichmann was an interesting character, going so far as to learn Hebrew in his twisted attempt to understand "the Jewish mind".
No, it manipulated the real conference transcripts.
But then again, the transcripts themselves have been manipulated, directly and through translation.
The english translation could be more precise. But this version is absolutely dark and Dietrich Mattausch is a great, great actor as Heydrich.
A BRILLIANT FILM , FROM PERFECT REMORSELESS ACTING , BRILLIANT DIRECTION , OUTSTANDING CAMERAWORK ESP THE FOCUS PULLER SHOULD BE AWARDED
Thanks for the upload
That was superb. So well enacted by all, as realistic as it gets I thought. The evil was palpable. Thanks for sharing
Paul Mommertz wrote the play Die Wannseekonferenz in 1984. He used the Eichmann protocol, Eichmann's statements in his trial and written documents for dialogues that were as realistic as possible. Like the conference, the piece lasts 90 minutes and draws its effect from the technocratic coldness with which the participants negotiate the planned mass murder of 11 million people as a purely logistical problem.
There is no evidence that Heydrich, Mueller or Eichmann where anti Semitic before they joined the SS, which I find very interesting. Mueller did not join the Nazi party till 1940, which is nuts considering he was the head of the Gestapo. Always found these 3 very interesting.
I first saw the English version of this (called Conspiracy, released in 2001, with Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich and Stanly Tucci as Eichmann) many years ago, and I thought it MUST have been an adaptation from a play! It takes place in 3 rooms, but it doesn't have to. There was a lot of revision for the English screenplay, with more focus on Heydrich asserting absolute power over the bureaucrats and his decisiveness and efficiency in achieving what was already a foregone conclusion, and a little less attention paid to the contrast of the unspeakable horror of it all in contrast to the party atmosphere, but the overall feel is much the same. (Tucci's Eichmann is quite a bit oilier too.) I would love to see this as a live play. I wonder if a script has been done in English?
--- CORRECT, BECAUSE THAT INHUMAN MENTALITY . . .is taught in business school.
@@marianotorrespico2975 Some people are already born with it (psychopaths).
@@marianotorrespico2975Wow! I don’t know which business school you attended but I would avoid it at all cost. Neither business school I attended would, even in the slightest way, resemble this.
I like that its shot in German with english subtitles. Great flick,really well done
The German version from 1985 is definitively more convincing than Conspiracy. There is a bit too much of british coolness and restraint in the figures.
Wie schauerlich und gewissenslose ihre Einstellung zum Völkermord als angebliche Lösung des N.S. erfundenen Judenproblems! Wie kann man so leichtsinnig darüber lachen? Unbegreiflich!
Watching Mueller straddle around the room eavesdropping on each conversation seems like a nice touch.
It's particularly bizarre to hear them talking about "Jewish features" and saying "if we don't like the shape of their nose, that's enough" when a lot of them are sitting there sporting features I've always understood to be associated with Jewish stereotypes. The actor playing Gerhardt Klopfer, who I see is named Günter Spörrle, looks like he could have posed for one of Goebbels' "Der Jude" posters.
It is chilling how all the opposition is bureaucratic and none to the mass murder.
I remember this airing on IFC (The Independent Film Channel) in the 90s every now and then. 🤩 I never saw all of it, though. Thanks for giving us all the opportunity to watch this at our leisure! 😈
Very well done with great actors given incredibly dark roles.
The viewer reacts with distaste to the characters which is a tribute to how convincing the actors were.
A film like this should be shown commercial free. The constant interruptions compromise the narrative's power.
I use Adblock Plus & uBlockOrigin as browser (Chrome) addons - all forms of commercials and advertisng are successfully suppressed at CZcams. Videos are no longer interrupted.
@@Rick2010100Can you stream it to your TV from laptop commercial free using those Chrome extensions? TIA.
@@alexfromboston8303 I just plug my TV into my laptop and use it as a monitor. I can't get TV reception where I live, and there's no damn way I'm paying $100 per month for cable. I use uBlockOrigin, but in the past month CZcams has gotten around it a few times, even locking my account until I disabled it once, but I just used a different account, and the plugin worked just fine. Now this account is working again too. I think they just had to update the plugin. (I use Firefox, not Chrome. Google has enough of my data, and they own both CZcams and Chrome.)
"competition is good for business"
Always amaze how a dictatorship is in fact a chaotic agitation of differentdepartements and institution competing for power and priviliges from the authocrat leader, or how many resources they poured into the final solution in the middle of the greatest calamity for German people.
I’ve been to the Wannsee Konference Haus, it’s a lovely old house, nice gardens and beautiful views of the lake. All who attended the conference has their picture up on the wall, with a short history of their background. The most chilling in my opinion was Heinrich Müller, a real nasty piece.
Well worth the visit
Heinrich Müller ironically wasn't a believer in National Socialism. He actually fought against them when they were running for power. He actually liked Stalin. Due to Müller's discipline and egotistical behavior, he only worked with the Nazis for power.
The definition of an inhuman butcher.
No No 😅
This version is a lot darker than 'Conspiracy'.
It should be. It's hard to imagine Heydrich played by Gilderoy Lockhart.
This movie is shown in German schools, part of the advanced curriculum. They speak literally the protocols.
A lot better too.
Tbf really very dark subject
@@internetkurator9256 no, they don't. In part, they not even near what's in the protocol. The best movie about the conference is the german movie released in 2022, called "Die Wannseekonferenz".
One of the “best” German movies ever. The easiness, casualness of the evil captivates the viewer. The horror was not a movie, but bloody reality. Unbelievable that on 7 October 2023 similar barbarism happened again. This time in Israel. Is nothing learned?
Exactly what I thought
I would venture that the barbarism of October 7th trumped this...
The film was released 39 years after the end of that freaking war. Now we are 39 years after that movie's release. Let that sink in for a moment. In 1983/84 and in those times in general they had so many people who lived in Nazi Germany and could help with their experiences. My father was born in 1939 (another 39!), he turned 6 in August of 1945. He doesn't recall anything of the war, he was 5 when the war was over. He's now 83, still cruising with his best friend - his car - and sometimes my mom (81) gets with him. Both of them are incredibly healthy and mentally fit 🙏. Okay, I didn't find the way back on topic. Sorry ☺️
PS: I forgot to mention: I'm German :)
That's odd; it reads as if you are an Amerikwan.
you mean that it was a succesful program T4 ? It strikes me as odd how Germans accepted to break the law of murder of civilians but they claim they followed medical ethics.
Very interesting observation, think about it, Germany hosted 1972 Olympic Games and 1974 FIFA World Cup, that was less that 30 years since the war ended. I'm sure there were some SS-man sitting at the stands cheering for the Germany who were never brought to justice
Even more disturbing is that these men weren’t on the face of it blood thirsty savages from a period in history that we would have referred them to have been just of their times, these were highly educated men some of which were doctors or lawyers from as you say….still within a lifetime ago involved in the wholesale industrialized slaughter of human beings!
To say that this was unfathomably incomprehensible is an understatement!
@@mattg8431
And I'm sure there are still numerous Korean/Vietnam US Veterans running around with their bloody medals, being celebrated and worshiped for the killing of innocent children etc.
Sooo, just shut up and think for a while...OK?
And Yes, I am a German, one that has a gutful of your US arrogant, stupid hypocrisy.
Thank you!
I've been in the room where the plans happened. It is almost impossible to think such nasty events would happen coming from a place like that.
what kind of place would be more fitting for such decisions? the more bigger... the house the more evil the people inside
Who
Lives there now?
"Almost" impossible, you say? Maybe it WAS impossible...
@@388Caroline The house is a memorial
ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE?...LUDICROUS. WHAT ON EARTH HAS THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING OR THE ROOM S IN THE BUILDING GOT TO DO WITH THE COMINGS AND GOINGS AND DECISIONS TAKEN BY INDIVIDUALS AND GROUPS WHO HAPPEN TO HAVE CHOSEN THAT LOCATION...IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANY SIMILAR FACILITY ANYWHERE IN GERMANY OR AXIS OCCUPIED LAND. YOU MUST TRY HARDER.
"Conspiracy" w/Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich is an English version if people can't handle subtitles. Different choices were made (e.g. the character of Lange re: Latvia, a little more confusion or wariness at the start/less joviality prior to Heydrich's arrival and more tension at times) but still worth a watch. Branagh's Heydrich is ice cold.
Branagh's was way better.
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Branagh's Heydrich was too English, you could imagine him perhaps as a senior accountant in the East India Company but the athletic, charismatic Heydrich is obviously much more faithfully rendered here
I have watched the British movie "Conspiracy", this one and also the 2022 German movie. This one is by far the most realistic. The German 2022 movie felt like stylistic theater. "Conspiracy" was ok. This one has what I want in any movie: I don't think about the people being actors. They feel real. Given the subject matter, that is astounding acting. 😳
Harder for the actors in this version as they were all closer to the Nazi generation than anyone else. Dietrich Mattausch who plays Heydrich was born in 1940. Peter Fitz who plays Stuckart was born in 1931 and remembers the Nazis well. Reinhard Glemnitz who plays Josef Bühler was born in 1930. So they felt this much closer than British/Irish actors who were in the "Conspiracy".
It's interesting that the 2022 one is extremely close to this version from 1984 in terms of the script and the dialogue, but they are very different movies overall.
In terms of realism, I'm torn. It's open to speculation, but I think the characters in the 1984 one are better, especially the SS characters - not in terms of physical resemblance, but in their demeanor. More "zackig" and tough-acting. The 2022 version benefits from new research and omits a few ahistorical artistic liberties (such as the inclusion of the Cozzi affair, which IRL only happened after the conference) of the earlier version.
As a movie, the 1984 version is IMHO better. 2022 is deliberately boring and dour.
Oh, and compared to either version "Conspiracy" is Hollywood schlock.
Conspiracy? No Conspiracy, this was an open government action. This very much resembles a typical German business meeting. A problem has been identified, several solutions have been explored and evaluated and a course of action is being decided. Unbelievable how the death of millions of people is so easily bantered about.
No the name does fit, because the result of this meeting was not at all open to the public, in fact the topic wasnt allowed to be talked about in public, they stuck to the story of "relocation" for the public because they feared the people would be "too soft" and try to stop them.
Better casting than the newish one and in German, the portrayal of Heydrich is very good.
Excellent acting on a grim subject. Well done.
Great share this is one of my favorites.
The portrayal of Rudolf Lange, SS commander in Latvia was more accurate than the way he was portrayed in the HBO 2001 "Conspiracy". The real Lange was a brute, a thug. A survivor of one of the concentration camps run by Lange said this about him "As far as Lange is concerned, he was the biggest murderer I have ever known. To write a book about him would definitely not be enough. As he is dead, it is no use talking about him. I would, however, mention that he was one of the most notorious anti-Semites in the 20th century. He hated Jews so much that he could not look at them; one never wanted to pass him either in the motor pool or anywhere else". That was Joseph Berman's description of Lange.
The fact that they took the time to write down the guy's half-Jewish neighbor's name is just crazy in the scope of things discussed at this meeting.
that's "Gestapo" Muller. A real nasty piece of work.
I can never forget this part of the movie. I am happy seeing someone who thinks like me.
@@izzetkaanyuksel8940 Yes the subject matter they are discussing is literally condemning millions of people to a slow, cruel, systematic death. And I guarantee you it will be repeated again and again in the future because we can never learn from mistakes made in the past.
@@MarkGeraghty They all were nasty
Jews and half Jews were not allowed to give the Nazi salute. It was a bit shocking that even after discussing how they planned on murdering millions, one half Jew who gave the Nazi salute was going to be picked up by the Gestapo.
It's unbelievable how relaxed and friendly these "gentlemen" seem when you have no idea why this is happening.
Good direction and good actors, but I have to be honest.
Thank you for sharing.
The casting is really strong in this. They all look the part.
Hey awesome will watch this tomorrow
I didn’t know that this had already been done before.
Obviously then, just by looking, Kenneth Branagh’s made for television film from 2001, conspiracy, is a remake of this.
No, not a remake as such, more of an updated version, the quality of the acting is superior and thus the characterisations of the protagonists.
@@501sqn3 I see what you mean now that I have watched both and indeed, I did like both of them. 👍
@@501sqn3 I MUCH prefer this version. The chillingly matter-of-fact nature of this.
Actually, there was even an earlier production by German TV in the 1960's, a black and white film. There is also now a new German TV version available, made in 2021, well done but still not as chilling as the 1984 version seen here.
@@SNP-1999 Thank you. I didn’t know about these versions either. The latter one will be under copyright. But the 60’s one might be in the public domain now and who knows, that also could possibly be on here then.
Is this film baseed on the minuters (hence, are they available)?
ty for uploading :)
I saw the newer version, Kenneth Branagh, Colin firth, etc, excellent! It's called "conspiracy"! Highly recommended!
I prefer this.. More authentic as i feel weird lookinf on english speaking nazi 😂
Selbstverständlich ist diese Deutsche Version besser.
I am now watching this film for the 4th time. And I still feel the bone-cold chill I felt the first time. o cold-blooded this film is.
I've seen it several times also. One point that stuck with me, and I don't know if it was a point the film was trying to make. The different degrees of evil is shown well. The majority seemed to want a cut and dry genocide. Within them, are the ones who want it done humanely and others who just want it done. On the other hand, I believe its Kritzinger who doesn't want the 'final solution' but tries to persuade them to listen to his solutions first with letting Jewish blood be watered down through the generations and then sterilization. Also revolting evil ideas, but much better than the gas chambers. Picking the lesser of two evils in the most literal terms probably hasn't been shown so well, and its true which adds to it of course.
@@Kee2Oz Very good analysis. Thank you..Yes, I was also shocked at seeing it. It was an evil that was there with no emphasis. But completely deadly. I was bone-chilled when I finally felt it. Thank Yo.
I've just left here a comment so I can get back to this interesting stuff later once I'll have got some time. Can't wait.
i have watched this movie before but will watch it again.its scary how powerful humans....mostly men... make chilling decisions so casually and nonchonlantly...I have also watched the movie of Nuremberg trials...Power is like a flower in summer...fin ull bloom in the morning,withered the next day!
That scene where Eichmann is told to have fainted when he witnessed that attempted exhaust fumes execution: I heard that this is something that happened to Himmler (of all people) during a mass shooting.
Was this also something that happened to Eichmann or is this just some creative liberty when they transferred and incident from Himmler to Eichmann?
Go to 16:05 and Heydrich says the Reichsführer-SS fainted during an execution. So it is sort of mentioned here, as the Reichsführer-SS was Himmler.
I can't help, but think that meetings like this have and are being held by nefarious groups regarding the general population.
The part that stood out for me is whereby they said that elimination would be achieved by "natural causes".
there is a newer version (2022) of this movie out there, that's less confusing (regarding who is who and represents what): "the conference" (with subtitles) or "die wannseekonferenz" (german without subtitles, freely available on ZDF-mediathek).
Also: The actor playing Lange is brilliant. The character is a hard core murderer and yet in the context of being in a room full of people who murder through bureaucracy he is the warmest person there, almost like an opera buffo baritone. He clowns with the dog, and at one point, at 54:00 tells the corpulent gaulieter "But it's our business" with a casual charm that makes him almost likeable. I like seeing the Nazi heirarchy depicted as human beings rather than cartoon monsters.
they're discussing a plan of supermassive murder as casually and merrily as they were discussing an amusement park project
Yeah.. about as casually as Jay Cooke bragging to his friends that he could pay one half of the working-class to kill the other half... But it took Donald The Dumpster Trump and his Republican moonbat party,, along with the Q cult nutcase think tank WSs like Stephen Miller crafting loaded phrases and politically charged words into a psychologically demented,, combined racist/sexist/ anti- immigrant/ and RABIDLY "anti- democrat" narrative for the most intellectually challenged demographic in America -- lower class mostly middle aged white people.. this demographic had seen their standard of living erode year to year under both political parties,, and they were mostly the people who are going to vote for Bernie Sanders in 2016... And then The Dumpster comes along...
I remember during the Republican clown car debate,, and being completely and totally disgusted and repulsed by this idiot Dumpster making jokes about Rosie O'Donnell, and playing to the crowd and the clown crowd just eating it up... But people who were used to so-called politics as usual took this as some novel new entertainment or something,, cheering for the dumpster and then when the Hillary Bernie switch came on, everybody was totally disgusted with both the Democratic party and the Republican clown car and for some reason elected The Dumpster...
It's pretty obvious that politicians lie all the time, it shouldn't come as anyting new but then the dumpster with his ridiculous claims that he wanted to "drain the swamp", when most ordinary people knew that Dumpster IS THE SWAMP, was stupid but to people who don't understand what the term means, it just sounds good... Same with fake news, everybody knows that the news slanted stories and most people were aware that it was because the corporate owners of news corporation's make themselves and their causes look better for the media,, dumpster started getting this Q intelligence about what people were saying on the internet, all of a sudden he starts calling it fake news and people act like, oh the dumpsters a God, oh he's our messiah, oh he's a guru, oh *he knows what I'm thinking,* and from then on The Dumpster was some kind of ridiculous superhero dumb f*** or something...
Of course *we know now that that's exactly the behavior of a cult* ,, but even now most people involved in it don't know it's a cult because The Dumpster is still doing it...
POINT IS,, we have the dumpster using social media, which has never been done before in history to gather a political nutcase following,, and his nut case Q Oracle continuously scanning social media threads to see what new terms the dumpster should use,, whipping people up with basic fears,, race sex and territory, that are built on nothing but lies but since they're God the dumpster is still knows what they're thinking, they think he's beyond any wrong...
And this nutcase following actually cheers when The Dumpster commits sexual assault, cheers when The Dumpster calls BLM and civil rights activist and people demonstrating for police accountability Communists and socialists and Marxists AND THEN IT TELLS HIS NUTCASE FOLLOWING AT THAT THEY WON'T HAVE A COUNTRY ANYMORE if they don't follow his lunatic directions... MEANWHILE HE'S PUSHING GUN OWNERSHIP and saying you can't let them take your guns, you won't have a country anymore... The guy's a lunatic grifter Dumpster fire and people stock up on guns and ammo waiting for The Dumpster to tell them when to take the capitol, or of course they "won't have a country anymore..."
The Dumpster was actually annoyed that there weren't any weapons in the riot at the Capitol... He was hoping for them, and you could tell that he was hoping for them because he requested 10000 national guard to guard HIMSELF... Point is,, the political system in this country is causing so much social friction from above that Jay Cookes wet dream would be a matter of just sitting back, everybody's already bought their own guns so Jay Cooke wouldn't have even have to pay them...
So?
This was pretty good considering that a lot of the details discussed at Wannsee were redacted under the orders made to Eichmann. In fact, the hypothesized "crudeness" of parts of the conversations were well interpreted.
Eichmann is portrayed as far too likeable and handsome. Native German speakers will also note that Gerd Böckmann (Adolf Eichmann) speaks a very distinct "High-German", whereas Adolf Eichmann spoke in a very pronounced Austrian tone.
One copy of the "record" still exists...
Do you have any reference for that? I can only find Eichmann talking during the "Eichmann process". Eichmann spoke hochdeutsch, no Austrian accent noticable. ( I am German).
@@ulicadluga Thank you for the link.
In a way you are right.
But as a native German I would never be able to hear any austrian accent concerning Eichmann.
I can only notice that he is pronouncing the "ei" such in "einen" "einer" in a very moderate way as austrians do. But it is also pronounced this way in some areas of "Baden-Württemberg" especially in the region aroung the "Bodensee".
The way Eichmann rolls the "R" is not comparable to the austrian dialect. It is just the old fashion german way.
In German speaking countries (especially in Germany) many rolled the "R" this way. This is supposed to have started in the theatres and the operas due to the fact that they had no microphones.
Especially in the Nazi regime almost everbody would roll the "R" that way.
In the existing dialects the pronounciation of the "R" sounds very different, even when it is a rolling sound. "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
All of the actors in this movie rather talk a modern, sloppy/casual German of the eighties until today (especially Heydrich) than that old fashion way of the Forties and before. So by that the whole conference is transported into the recent time period.
In my opinion this has an enormous effect. This is a master strike.
For me as a German that strikes me. For I have the feeling that this conference is not something that happened in ancient times ... long ago.... in some foreign country where they talked in a strange german way.
This is the way the managers of a company would discuss a future program.
Also Kritzinger talks in a very soft way. He is concerned. But his concerns are in fact not about the inhumanity of the planned actions.
But by letting the participants talking the modern German, as a German this gives me chills. Thereby I can absolutely feel and sense the banality of the evil (see Hannah Arendt).
I don´t think this movie is about giving an exact historical portray of the participients. (Then they all would have to talk in this old fashion style that is not spoken in Germany anymore.)
It has the intention to make tangible the banality of the evil.
And therefore it is irrelevant to imitate Eichmann´s way to talk.
Also one doesn´t see and hear Eichmann a lot. But his personality is portrayed with a brilliant performance of the actor.
Eichmann didn´t feel accepted. They often joked that he had jewish looks.
You can feel his insecurties, but yet that he is totally deprived of his feelings. That he is overly ambitious, a typical german official that is determined to make career in his "own war", the genocide, the planned massmurder of 11 million jews, the homosexuals, the gypies, the poles, every single person that doesn`t totally submit to the regime and so on.
During the whole movie I felt sick and terrified and hurt. I even feel pyhsically that my heart aches.
And this is due to the fact, that they talk the modern German in the movie.
@@antoniav.9553 You are, of course, absolutely right to point out that the use of "modern" "high German" makes it easier to understand the underlying mentalities. I agree that that works very well.
For me, the inclusion of the natural dialects would have given an interesting historical context. As an apparent Countryman ("Landsman") of Hitler, Eichmann's career might have been helped somewhat. Also, Eichmann wouldn't have fitted in very well with the "Prussian" aristocracy, which still controlled the army to a great extent. Eichmann's "role" as the callous brute, ("Richter und Henker") may have been affected, as Hitler's ambitions were, by his inner conflict with his somewhat Austrian background. Underlying insecurities often are compensated by great and ruthless ambition.
@@antoniav.9553 Thanks. You really made me think.
This production runs a close 2nd to Das Boot. Brilliant .😊
I like this version more compared to the HBOs The Conspiracy version, or the modern adaptation The Conference. This old version is the most realistic to me.
One thing about post-war German filmmakers is that when they want to make movies that deal with war events, they go all out to make them authentic, honest, and objective. What comes to mind are the movies Das Boot, Stalingrad, and now this. Yes, it is chilling, to see how this conference went down, and the cavalier way in which these maniacs discussed the matter of The Final Solution. All this while innocent people were suffering and dying for nothing, and while being unaware what was being plotted and planned for them. Personally, I think it's much better than the mainstream one produced titled Conspiracy, for the name-brand actors aren't as convincing as the ones in this film are. Not to mention, this movie serves as important documentation for history books, by providing the viewer with a deeper understanding of the significance of the event.
Until the 1980s, the subject of war guilt was taboo in both Germanies. To their credit, they've owned up to the evil they wrought, unlike the Japanese.
I really enjoyed the English version Conspiracy. After watching this one for the first time, I think Stanly Tucci's Eichmann was better - creepier - but I think both Heydrichs were on par with each other. I love Branagh, and his pace and his command of the scene was outstanding, but so was Mattausch in this film. I think the English actors were all quite good, as were the German actors.
I wonder how long it takes an actor to get into a role like Heydrich, and how long it takes to clear the filth out of their brain after it's done. I've got mad respect for both Mattausch and Branagh for going through it all to bring this ugly chapter of history to life for the rest of us. They obviously studied the guy thoroughly. They got inside his foul head. What an ugly place that must have been.
@@beenaplumber8379the english version has the major disadvantage of language. The german spoken here is not how people speak now or even in the 80s. The details in language, the melody, the attitude and wordings used to cover up the horror play a huge role in this.
That is why this version stands out in my opinion
Als wäre es darum gegangen, einer Seuche den Garaus zu machen. Gerne hätte ich diese Herrschaften gefragt, ob ihnen klar war, was sie da beschlossen hatten.
Auch hätte ich die Schauspieler gerne gefragt, wie sich das angefühlt hat, diese Rollen zu spielen.
The guy arguing for clemency regarding half-jews is a pretty interesting character.
The actor who plays Eichmann looks spot on.
We do not have many first-hand documents concerning the holding of this conference in Wannsee. However, this (German) version presents some claims which are not corroborated by any archival document. For example, no document suggests that there was a woman at the meeting table, or even in the room where it took place. Also, Heydrich had made Eichmann his first assistant; he had been given the task of managing the administrative file (bureaucracy) of the Final Solution. So it's highly unlikely that at the conference table, Eichmann (with full case details in hand) was seated this far from his boss and chief operating officer, Heydrich. But good point, overall the film does not offer any ideological bias.
I think the lady is supposed to fill a "fish out of water" trope so that the other members can explain things that otherwise would seem out of place. Just a guess though.
The document in question is around 12 pages and lays out very broad strokes of what was said and done. So despite saying that a movie is based on it, most of the movie has no choice but to be speculative.
I did read the minutes and it doesn't give out much details as to how the meeting went, it's more about who said what about what subject.
@@TurboPelvis Essentially you can take everything that is spoken informally or things that are not part of the official meeting such as the talks between Heydrich, Eichmann, Müller and Lange before and after to be not part of the minutes and not documented. They are however backed up by historic references of what actually happened at that time.
@@Blackstaralpha Yeah of course there are testimonies on what happened. I doubt that there is enough of those to fill all of the voids though. Testimonies can also be false, warped of misinterpreted.
Hey I am not criticizing though. We just need to keep the perspective that this is a movie and that it needs to fill some gaps and adapt from the source material.
As I said the minutes are very broad and disappointingly vague. The movies do not stray far from what is written though.
@@TurboPelvis I had also read this document. Thanks.
The translation could have been better in details. This German TV movie is based on the original minute but still author Paul Mommertz took himself some liberties. Nevertheless this movie should be a warning to all of us. It did happen! It's not a dystopy, and it's not a horror picture - it really happened back then. We can't change history and we can't make it undone but at least we should learn our lesson from the past. Never again! All those who call for a "strong hand" in Germany should never forget that this "strong hand" might quickly turn out to be a monster. Watching this movie again tonight really gave me chills. There's only a thin line between man and monster.
‘Never again”? 😂 What ARE you talking about? Do you know what the Chinese are doing TODAY to the Uigers? (Spelling wrong). Do you know what the Ukrainians are doing TODAY to the ethnic Russians in the Donbas area? Are you aware that Biden and the UK are TODAY funding the wiping out of Russian young men? Do you know about the domestic s1@ves in every middle class household TODAY in the Middle East? Do you know about the hundreds of thousands of children kidnapped every year NOW in the USA and the Far East who are forced into s*x s1@.very and then killed when they get too old? Have you not noticed the orchestrated erasure of the indigenous culture in Europe which is going on TODAY?
I think a lot of nations have forgotten their history, and this sort of thing looks very possible in places I never imagined, including the US. Our previous president came very close to scrapping our constitution and installing himself as an authoritarian ruler when he lost the election. He's already said now that he's going to politicize the justice department (get rid of the civil service and replace them with political appointees loyal to him) if he's re-elected and use it to purge his enemies. There's a very good chance that narcissistic maniac could be back in power in another year. Replacing the civil service with his appointees is easier said than done, but that's one of his announced plans. The world should be very concerned. I don't know if our constitution will survive another term if he's re-elected. Many of his followers are zealots without ideology, and at their core is a smaller (but growing) group who are unafraid of violence. They believe they're fighting for the good of our country, just like the early Nazis did. He promotes fear and hate, and he has designated racial, ethnic, and religious scapegoats. I know that comparing someone to Hitler or the Nazis generally invalidates what they say on the Internet, but that's how I see it, and I'm scared.
How many times have people cried out "never again," and how many times since then have we sat and watched genocide after genocide? We see the signs early on, and we do nothing. Thousands are murdered and we do nothing. Am I on the wrong planet?
this is done incredibly well
My understanding is that this was as accurate as possible, based on the actual notes. A horrible group of devils.
There was ONE TRANSCRIPT. Everything around the actual transcript is fiction.
From what I read of articles and reviews about the movie, up until the conference started, it's all fiction, even the conversation was make-up. Still the dialogue able to convey the feelings and situation at the time. It's like job for them.
@@andresihotang8866 No kidding the conversations are made up, andre. Most of it is used to convey to the audience the SS’ plan to organize extermination efforts and how nonchalantly minorities and “subhumans” were seen by the upper administration of Nazi germany. These conversations serve a purpose for exposition.
Of all the participants one of the most interesting is Roland Freisler who would achieve notoriety as the Reich's "Hanging Judge" who presided over the show trial of the July 20 conspirators.
Yes, for history fans will notice Rolanf Freisler, the blood judge
Looking from afar and without the uniforms, this would’ve looked like a routine business meeting. Banality of evil, there’s always an Eichmann in all of us.
The difference between a nun caring for orphans and mauling them with a machete in Rwanda was 15 minutes of a radio broadcast. The veneer of civilized behavior is paper thin in all of us.
unbelievable but this is not a simple Movie this is History
One huge difference between _Conspiracy_ (2001) and this film is the introduction of all the main characters in _Conspiracy._ Here you have to know who's who already.
There are a couple of minor differences; Stukart in an SS uniform in, while in _Conspiracy_ he wore a civilian suit, and the completely different potrayal of Lange. I'd say that this film is far more accurate, but in fairness to _Conspiracy,_ it was never meant to be a historic documentary, but an English film for an English audience.
59:26 This man on the left side looks rather like the guy who hands The Old Man the unwelcomed radiogram on the interned German ship in Das Boot…
Herr Seewald vom Marine-Attache mit den Unterlagen für den Durchbruch durch Gibraltar!
@@t.schmidt7441 So I was right?
Yes, you are right. The actor's name is Günter Spörrle.@@davidw.2791
@@davidw.2791yes same actor
@@abooga8 Thanks!
The beat Heydrich performance l've ever seen, Mr Heydrich must have looked like this.
The real Heydrich looked evil, even Himmler called him the man with the iron heart ❤️
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_with_the_Iron_Heart_%28film%29#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_film_is_based_on%2Chave_circulated_in_Nazi_Germany.?wprov=sfla1
Absolutely horrific acting, has nothing to do with the real Heydrich.
Real heydrich was ugly 🐸
Absolute evil, none of them did the actual dirty work but were so blasé about organising it.
One of them did - Dr Lange (the one with the dog).
it takes such balls to produce a film like this
The translation is very soft. In German there is much more going on here.
Whats going on?
@@TK-ub1ms small interjections that make your toes curl. hard to translate.
@@busTedOaS Yes
Nobody cares what you think, armchair analyst
Incredible, absolute evil on an unimagineable scale, organized over cognac and hors d'oeuvres!
Reflecting on the Camel being swallowed in Davos..
@@Calatriste54 Well said mate. 'rinse recycle repeat'.
@Red Pill Lmao. Sure, plotting to gas an entire group of people just based of their origin and beliefs is not the real issue here.
The fact it’s incredible should tell you something.
@@bobbyfischerman4811 A lot of things humanity has done are pretty incredible. Like flying, going to fucking space etc. Should that also tell me something?
Who was responsible for these subtitles? This translation is wrong from start to finish. The conference was held in 1942 and not in 1984, over 40 years later as shown in the film. The film was probably shot in 1984. All mixed up.
The casual cruel efficiency of this conference (movie) inspired the ISB meetings in „Andor“, no doubt.
Why does it say 1984 in the beginning? Are numbers different in German?
because the film was made in 1984 lol
Astonishing perfomance, no Hollywood bullshit
One of the most chilling movies and some of the best acting ever recorded. A truly dark masterpiece which should be watched by every human being. There is only ONE (if we repent) who can forgive sin.
The Actors/Acting is Superb..
The fact Heydrich was targeted for assassination shows he must have been competent at his job. Many thought he was in line as a successor to Hitler.
He was so designated.
Arguably, the most competent of the inner circle.
He didn't go down easy either. His assassination was nearly a failure.
He was killed to protect Wilhelm Canaris I guess. Google Canaris. Very interesting character. "Wenn ich gehe, kommt Heydrich und dann ist alles verloren."
@@blawah1800 There was the possibility that Heydrich might find out Canaris’ true cover.