What if the Clone Army were an Imperial Guard Reigment? | Warhammer 40k Lore | Uncle Sam
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- Today we will be looking at the Clone Trooper army from Star Wars, and how they would work as a regiment of the Imperial Guard/Astra Millitarum in the Warhammer 40k universe! This was a really fun one, so thank you for watching and I hope you enjoy it!
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What if the imperium of man could produce spartans 4 (lore acurate spartans that can flip tanks)
Would you be able to do several videos on factions from some of my most favorite sci-fis? To join the Guard regements. GDI and NOD from the Tiberian Sun game. And several factions from the Dune games. Like the Atreides, Ordos, and Harkonnen from the Dune 2000 game and from later games as well. Which add more units to these 3 factions. And also can you do the factions from Dune Spice Wars, like the the smugglers, the Fremen. House Corrino, house Ecaz, and Vernius. Thanks for your time. The GDI, NOD, and Ordos are the ones I would love for you to Cover first. 😁
Can I have a request. The cis under the tech bois. How would the cis fare or geth from mass effect?
BTW subbed!!
you didn't mention what is probably their biggest weakness, that at the end of the day they are an army made up of the same person, someone like Bile or some Dark Eldar Haemonculi Covens could create a bioweapon that targets Jango Fett's genetic code and in the span of few engagements at worst wipe out the clone army or at least render it ineffective
Spartans are just worse marines
clone trooper: "sir we're just clones we're meant to be expendable" commissar: "by the emperor you are! charge!"
LMAOOOO thanks for watching!
Kriger and clone force combined charge "Why are the Orks running?"
any imperial unit that Wasted the clones and didn't spend them wisely would quickly find themselves full of blaster bolts
That's right son, now let's charge, for the emperor!!
Wasn't there a whole animated episode where there was slowly building tension within a clone army because a Jedi treated them like this?
Like, by the end of the episode they decided to make him a separatist mole, but as far as I'm concerned that that's more of a deus ex because they couldn't probably justify using Rex further in the series if he literally shot his commanding officer in the back.
Krieger *sees clone*
Krieger “brother?”
Clone “what?!”
Krieger “BROTHER!”
LMAOOOO
Just teach the Kriegers Vode An and Da Werda Verda. They'd love that.
Well the kriegsmen and kriegswomen aren't clones they're just people born from a tube and or a massive orgy session yes this is canon.
Saw the title.
Looked for the comment.
Was not disappointed.
lol Krieg light
Being in the guard:
Necrons come:
"They've sent in the supers!"
"We've lost the command post" Forty-one thousand times
LOL YEAH thanks for watching!
Watch out for those wrist rockets
In all seriousness the clones would be a decent counter to the Necrons due to the Necrons basically being droids with extra steps.
@silentshadow9983 The issue is that the capabilites of the necrons are so horrifically higher than the Droid army they are honestly incomparable and polar opposites. Most don't encounter awakened necrons in large numbers because if they did there would be zero chance of survival. The Droid army is the opposite. The Droids could lose ten to every one kill and still win entire worlds. And more than anything the leaders are polar opposites. Tactical Droids could come up with...okay plans but normally lost. A intelligent necron is a survivor of a war against gods. And are far more competent commanders.
Honestly the clone army would be no better at battling the necrons than your average guard army.
It hurts to hear that Clones were better without their Jedi, but then I remember that Magic Space Samurai don’t equal effective generals.
LOL YEP, thanks for watching!
Yea, the Jedi forced the clones following them into costly frontal assault charges like it’s ww1. Which is obviously detrimental to the clones who don’t have the force or means beyond their armor to deflect blaster bolts. The Clones would naturally be better at long-range combat utilizing their superior marksman skills since the DC-15A Blaster Rifle could accurately hit targets out to a mile.
Aside from the main characters like Anakin/Obi-Wan and the few actually strategic Jedi like Plo Koon(who’s clones loved him since he would never risk unnecessary casualties), it’s understandable why a lot of clones disliked their Jedi commanders because of these tactics. Republic officers also felt the same way and like you said, magic wizard powers doesn’t qualify you as a strategist/general.
“We’re peace-keepers, not soldiers.”
I mean, look what the Jedi ordered them to do in the first battle of Geonosis. What a waste.
Some of them were good. Looking at you Plo-kun.
That's what 1k years of literal peace and stagnation does to an order like them.
Now if you were to say that with the Old Republic where sith were everywhere, then I'd say otherwise. They 100% would've solved the Clone Wars faster than Palpatine could've stalled, if not revealed himself at the wrong time.
People (even writers themselves) forget Clone Troopers aren't normal humans, they were genetical modified to be strongers, faster, have quicker reaction times, be less prone to stress etc
They are super-soldiers by those metrics.
Yup! They are very very beefy. Thanks for watching!
Fr. Everyone in 40k always treats the clones like they wouldn’t even be able to beat a guardsmen, when clone armor can probably absorb las shots, have guns equivalent to tau weapons, and have better training and skill as well as genetic modification to the point of not even being considered human anymore. We only seen them in the cartoons and parts of the movies but in lore they’re insane.
Clone armor wouldn’t absorb a laz shot. A laz shot is crazy powerful they just suck in warhammer wel because it’s warhammer. However clones would be way better troopers than any human. Their all warriors from birth, trained from birth etc
@@adamkhan4451 Well it kinda would. Laz guns can make you explode and eviserate your body but most shots will just blow a limb off or just a small chunk if you’re wearing flak armor. Clone armor distributes the strike I think. Plasma and laz guns are kinda similar so maybe they work the same. Although the Star Wars universe uses an armor piercing version of the weapon compared to the 40k unstable high explosive version.
Except they aren't.
Honestly the Imperial Army Troopers look like a guard regiment and the ancient sith Imperials look like solar auxilia
YES. EXACTLY. Thanks for Watching!
I'm going to throw one more element onto this: the actual physique of the Clones. As seen with Alpha 17, the ARC Trooper who accompanied Obi-Wan and Anakin during most of the Republic Comic run, Clones are built like brickhouses and possess incredibly reflexes, hand-eye coordination and superior cognitive abilities compared to regular soldiers. Even Mandalorian's depiction of Boba Fett, a supposed 'unaltered' Clone, was able to manhandle and throw Stormtroopers with ease, smash armor like butter, and survive the acid stomachs of a Sarlaac with only superficial burns to show.
In short, Clones would be like the bastard love children of Catachans and Kasrkin, the latter confirmed to have been chemically enhanced to move fast enough to disorient a Daemonhost (source, the Eisenhorn novel Hereticus).
EXACTLY. IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. thanks for watching!
You can't compare alphas, and regular clones. Alphas are genetically altered to the smartest, fastest, strongest, and most out of the box thinking in the clone army.
One thing most people might not realize. Genetics, Astarte’s, Clones…
They have the cloning tech to copy the perfect aspirant for Astartes they could give the imperium their own founding of chapters in aspirints and capable bodies.
Now someone give me a clone trooper space marine chapter
According to guide to warfare 2012 the average reg still has much more strength and durability than Jango with something like 2 times the fast twitch muscle and toughness. We see them rip apart b1s like toys barehanded, send spider droids flying with a kick, rip the arms off of B2s, beat up trandoshans, kick durasteel doors off their hinges, and throw natborn humans by the face. And those are just regs. We haven't really seen the full extent of an Alpha but we know that even a squad of clone commandos would get their asses beat by one according to the Traviss books. Either way they're stronger than Catachans.
As for their blasters a lot of people say Tau Pulse rifle but I'd say they're more like hellfire lasguns that do extra damage against electronics. Standard Lasguns would be like Old Republic era blasters and just bounce off.
In terms of a Republic vs Imperium war the only units that'd could beat them let alone stand a chance would be Space Marines or sanctioned Psykers. Maybe Kriegsman due to bat shit insanity compensating for inferior stats.
inb4 punch a droid and got hurt
In that case Space Marines are weak to pitch forks
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Reaperofvalhalla , the imperiun has cloning tech just the gene seed of space marines cant be cloned in same way the properties of the gene seed have aspects of warp fuckery in them so cloning space marines isnt feesable without chaos help
"It's still just like the simulations.."
WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS
@@unclesamlore - HA! More like watch Vader's saber throw...
"No one messes with the 501st!"
We’ve lost a command post, but not the battle!
You know, funny thing is, you basically could import Star Wars' Clone Troopers and say "oh, they're from this little planet, and are based on an ancient terran story the planetary Gouverneur found and loved, so they styled their army after them.
One thing, that I think was also mentioned in the reasons why the empire stopped using clones, is that they're all the same guy, which makes them subsceptible to biological/chemical weapons. For example, enemy forces could just bio-engineer a weapon, that only affects clones, due to them being genetically identical.
YES THIS. THIS WOULD BE SO FUNNY. thanks for watching!
If memory serves I think there was some comic or novel where the Separatists attempted exactly that
Honestly, that's another reason the Death Guard would curbstomp them. Frankly speaking, Papa Nurgle'd be their greatest nemesis.
@@knightingale9833Right, if memory serves me, it was aayla secura and kit fisto who were investigating the incident in the comic.
Of the biggest obstacles the clones would have to deal with is the Adeptus Mechanicus. Cause most of the tech, weapons and vehicles they use will be declared Tech-Heresy unless a bunch of newly discovered STCs would prove otherwise.
Well yeah but your average arc troopers is gonna bully a tech priest for being the goobers they are. Thanks for watching!
The idea of clone commissars is a funny concept imo
Yeah it is lol thanks for watching!
I mean in lore Sidious literally had clone death squads that would hunt deserters to the ends of the galaxy since they know important knowledge
Way more than Imperium who couldn't be bothered hunting down deserters
Also clones doesn't exactly need commissars since good soldiers follow orders ;)
Even as an old man Rex was tossing around storm troopers like no ones business. Good video bro keep it up!
Thanks man I appreciate it! Thanks for watching!
Planetary Governor: “You’ll be delighted to hear that we are on schedule. 200,000 units are ready, with a million more well on the way.
Imperial Tithe Officer: “That’s…good news.”
LMAO Thanks for watching!
Terrific, that'll do well for their first deployment
"Only 200,000?"
@@jiyuhong5853You joke about that, but most 40k lore battles don't really break a billion, exception probably being Cadia with how many people fought for that planet.
@@greatjagras6381most 40k battles are fought with a fraction of the total might of the imperial guard. Normally it's the planetary defense force of whatever's getting attacked plus a regiment or two depending on if they're in range or not. Multiply times a million worlds and the clones would really only be a drop in the bucket
For those 40K fans who need a weapons comparison between the clones and 40K, blasters are tau pulse rifles.
Sounds good to me! Thanks for watching!
But with... interesting accuracy whenever named characters are in the scene
Eh, a Pulse Rifle-Lite is a better term to describe a blaster. Blaster feats aren't great compared to Lasguns, Gauss Rifles, Pulse Rifles, etc.
They are not. Just because the both fire plasma doesn't mean they are the same. For example, blasters fire plasma, pulserifles fire plasma, and a Warhound class titan's plasma blast gun fires plasma, note not all of these weapons are the same power. Going off of the evidence put to screen, Greedo getting shot in the stomach, Leia getting shot in the arm, and comparing that to 40k weapons at best they are equivalent to lasguns which will also disembowel people, to worse than lasguns which if hitting an unarmoured human on the arm would remove the arm. Given that Leia likely was benefiting from plot armour blasters = lasgun.
There is no weapon in the multiverse strong enough to defeat plot armor. Even in 40k
I feel like the fact that their willing to follow out any order with peak effectiveness and are loyal to their core would make the Imperium fall in love with them.
Being an army of one guy, they'd have trouble relating to a Kriegsman? Bold of you to assume that the Kriegsman isn't an army of one guy as well!
Fair enough! Thanks for watching!
i would argue the kriegguard is an army of multiples clones models
@pierreemilienlewislecadre6428 the way I read it, they're supposed to be clones of Jurten. In one of the Death Korps books, an inquisitior forces a squad to remove their gas masks because he's convinced they're hiding their corruption. The book said he was shocked by what he saw but doesn't elaborate. My guess was they were all the same person staring back at him.
@russby3554 The Inquisitor could've been shocked for a variety of reasons. Kriegers deployed as teenagers, so maybe the sea of young faces is what got to him?
@frenchsoldier8485 in 40K though, is that really surprising? Look at Cadian Whiteshields. Aren't they basically just teenagers conscripted straight from "civilian" to Guard? Also, at the end of the same book, a Kriegsman was being pressed for a name. He finally gave the only name he could think of. Jurten.
The Clones would be best for fighting the tau. Their plasma weapons have ionic properties to damage machinery, even without penetration. And they have ready access to Emp grenades and other weapons.
If the Jedi were present for the Imperium to use they would also be the best at fighting tau, their infantry weapons are just roided blasters and they could block it
Still the underdogs (your fighting gundams) but they could inflict more casualties than your bog standard guard and this would likely be the most cost effective use of them
EXACTLY. THEY WOUKD DO SO GOOD. thanks for watching!
depends on the gas used in the blaster: blue was more ionized
Honestly, I think the Tau would be the most even match for the clones. Both rely on rapid-response, highly mobile forces, both use more advanced tactics than the WW1/WW2 basics the rest of the Guard seem to love, the blaster is a fairly good match for pulse weaponry in terms of operation and effect (S5AP5 my beloved), both are open to diplomacy and rules of engagement instead of the usual 'warcrimes-o-clock' that is the rest of the 40k galaxy... No war in 40k, Star Wars or real life is ever 'good' or 'clean' but clones versus Tau would be about as civilized as a war could be.
There was a method in legend to fix the clones rapid age problem. Kal skirta hunted for said cure during the rise of the empire relentlessly for his clone sons.
Yup! If only it was applied to the entire army like he wanted. Thanks for watching!
@@unclesamlore his clone sons did save a few other clones and give them the treatment, but doing it for the entire army while being hunted wasn’t feasible. Still the books are an amazing read, it really shows how quickly things went from 0 to ‘oh god everything’s on fire’ after order 66.
A downside that's also worth mentioning:
Their blind obedience to authority could make them an easy target for heretics. We all saw what Palpatine did, I can see it going equally bad if a heretic gets in command of a regiment of these guys...
That is very very true, but standard guard could be hoodwinked too. Either way I think it depends on the situation, thanks for watching!
That was do to palpatine using the inhibitor chips to hijack their brain
I hate that so much, in the EU, it was because they were trained to follow any orders no matter what, and I prefer that so much more.
Me too, it gave the clones a unique in my eyes.
@@aaronlaughter6471yeah the orders weren’t “secret” either they were just contingency plans heck one of them was an order to depose the chancellor
Alpha Legionary : ( see an army of clone wearing the same face and having encrypted orders in their brain )
Alpha Legionary : Did they use our methods now !?
LMAOOOOO. thanks for watching!
imagine alpha Legion tries to infiltrate them and immediately gets outed: size difference and clones ( star wars) look deeper then faces.
@@quinnhasse9170 imagine Rex as an Alpha Legionnaire
@@dekaw9138 so warhammer in star wars or rex infiltrated the alpha legion?
How about a group that can be added into Imperial Guard Regiments. Like Spartans, have fun conquer Imperial worlds when the Guard have thousands Spartans backing them up. The Spartan can be seen as a cheaper version of Space Marines by the Inquisition and each world can have their own version of a Spartan: Kreig Spartans, Armageddon Spartans, Cadian Spartans, etc, etc, heck we can even see Chaos Spartans
Oh yeah 100000%! That would be incredibly cool! Thanks for watching!
Hell failed space marine aspirants can be transfered to the Spartan program
Nobody is ready for tyranids
Nobody ever is lol thanks for watching!
Orks welcome any fight though
You want a clone army, ready for tyranids? Say less
Zeltran(Macross)
Navy: At Least 507 million-4 billion ships[Milky way galaxy]. Ships include Nupetiet-Vergnitzs Class command battleships(4km), Queadol Magdomilla medium command cruisers(2.7km), Quiltra Queleual class carriers(3km), Thuverl Salan class destroyers(2.3km), Fulbtzs-Berrentzs class mothership(890 km), Thuverl salan class battleships(2.3km), Quiltra quelamitz class medium destroyers(1.5km), tou redir picket patrol ships(500m), Laplamiz class mobile fortresses(500km), Gol boddole zer class mobile fortresses(150km), and northampton class stealth frigates.



Infantry: 2 trillion-19 trillion
Mechs: 1.4 trillion-13 Trillion
Fighters: 700 billion-7 trillion



Territory: Majority of the milky way, and other galaxies(based on how long they've been around, and their travel speed, they should be present in dozens-hundreds of galaxies.)
Zeltran race:
The Zentradi(Male)/Meltrandi(Females) are a race of giants created by the protoculture/Stellar republic[along with 6 other humanoid races] as their military force. Their size scales from 8.5(10 being average) meters to 15 meters(Command class tends to be taller). Zentradi are generally stronger and more durable than humans, even shrunk(Average males can probably lift like two tons at human size). The stronger zentradi such as Britai can brawl with mechs their size, lifting them(18 tons) crushing one's head and ripping its chassis open(Last two feats can be done by normal zentradi). He even survived the vacuum of space with no gear. Genetically compatible with humans, but due to cloning some have a number of deviations aside from physical ability, such as elf like ears, no pupils/Irises, green skin, and abnormal hair colors(Blue, and green for example). They travel in fleets of thousands, of warships while under the umbrella of a main fleet, which numbers millions(The 108th main fleet that attacked earth numbered 4.7 million. In the movie adaptation it was stated that there were over a thousand of these fleets in the milky way alone, each with a flag ship like the Laplamiz mobile fortress). Men and women travel separately. It is common for them to fight amongst each other, and one rogue fleet numbered over nine thousand ships. They rarely occupy planets, and live primarily on their ships.

Weapons:
•Pulse/particle beam cannons(Kilotons)
•Lasers(Anti warship lasers fire 4 shots a second, and punch through ships. Probably equivalent to 3,700-4,600mm cannons)
•Autocannons
•Missile turrets(Heavy missiles have 915m blast radius)
•Torpedo launchers
•Converging/heavy beam cannon(Can fire every 8 minutes/only 5 an hour. 10 megatons)
Technology: Possess cloning(Main means of reproduction before being introduced to earth culture), miclone technology that allows convenient size growth, and decrease via pod. At most it takes four years to produce a fully combat ready clone, with billions being born per generation, per fleet. Infantry armor is 4-8 inches thick. [Significant speculation based on observation, not 100% facts: Their infantry firearms are more or less 60-75mm equivalent beam rifles. Their ship hulls were likely 10-80 inches thick, depending on ship class.] Targeting computers can track hundreds of enemy craft, at a range of 6,000km, and their weapons have an overall range of hundreds of kilometers. At sublight speeds they can travel at mach 4-8, or .20% speed of light. They can fold/travel at a speed of one light year every 6 minutes. They folded just outside earth's atmosphere and completely surrounded it with 4.7 million ships in 8 minutes. Within 20-40 seconds of the order being given they annihilated the earth's surface with a single barrage(With their heavy weapons, and in other cases it takes just 7 seconds to fire).
They can also track 10s of 1,000s of targets at hundreds of billions of kilometers. The shields on their dreadnoughts can tank 3-6 heavy quantum beam cannon shots. There are factories on board their ships, such as command battleships that can produce hundreds of armor, and a thousand weapons in a week.

Factory satellite:
The Zentradi/Meltrandi repair, and build their massive fleets with hundreds-thousands of 3,000-6,000 kilometer factories that produce over 15,000 vessels a year at 50% power. Fleets are supported by 20-50 of these each. They also have fold capabilities.

Mechs(At Least 2 other variants):
Queadluun-Rau- 18 meters tall with 2 air-to-are high speed tri barrel pulse lasers, 2 medium bore impact cannons, and 127 high maneuverability mini missiles.
Nousjadeul-Ger- 16 meters tall with 1 large-bore medium-range liquid plasma cannon,1 medium-bore rapid-fire impact cannon, and
up to two small hand weapons such as miniature laser machine pistols.
Battle suit- Armed with 2 medium-bore cannons, 1 triple-barrel gun, and 2 small-bore cannons
Battle pods(Other variants):
Regult- 15 meters tall with two Medium-bore electron beam guns, two small-bore anti-personnel cannons, two Small-bore anti-aircraft laser guns
Glaug- 16 meters tall with a long range electron beam cannon, two large-bore impact cannons, two small-bore impact cannons, two small-bore laser anti-personnel cannons
History: Precursors called the protoculture, created a race of militaristic giants known as the zentradi/Meltrandi, and miclones(shrunken/humans). With the Zeltran they took over most of the galaxy.
However, some of the stellar republic wanted more powerful warriors, and so created a new type of Zeltran. It was first a failure due to energy requirements, however they found a sub-universe, in which to draw power from via organs. It failed due to the non-corporeal inhabitants of the sub-verse possessing them and feeding on people's spiritual energy. These now called Protodeviln mind controlled humanoids, to make up their armies and quickly took much of the galaxy.
Eventually the Protodeviln were defeated, alongside their supervision armies. Later, and 20,000 ago the protoculture republic fell from grace leaving their creations to hunt down any surviving Protodeviln.
The zentradi continued to spread and hunt down both Protodeviln/Supervision, and de culture. They believed their protoculture ancestors to be enemies, failures, and a threat to the zentradi. Eventually they came across earth who had come across and repaired a Supervision fortress ship.
After a war, that saw much of the initial zentradi fleet infected by earth culture, and their main fleet planning to wipe them out alongside earth, the initial zentradi allied with earth, and defeated the main zentradi fleet, at the cost of most of humanity, and the destruction of earth's surface.
They rebuilt, repopulated via mass cloning, and are now spreading across the galaxy in a rapid bid to maintain humanity's future, allieing/assimilating zentradi/Meltrandi fleets , and other children of protoculture.
Quiltra quelamitz class medium destroyers-
•Main converging beam cannon
•8 Pulse beam cannons
•20 Laser turrets
•20 Missile launchers
•10 Autocannons
•200 Mecha/Pilots
Queadol Magdomilla medium command cruisers-
•55 Pulse beam cannons
•115 Missile turrets
•45 Torpedo launchers
•2080 Mecha/Pilots
Nupetiet-Vergnitzs Class command battleships-
•Main converging beam cannon
•15 Pulse cannons
•60 Laser turrets
•40 Missile turrets
•8 Heavy missile Launchers
•5,000 Mecha/Pilots
These guys had to deal with their own tyranids as well.
Imperial space defense force(Gunbuster)
Navy: 8,762-30,000 ships made up of the Exelion(7km), Super exelion(30k), Eltreum(70km), madagascar class heavy battleships(600m), monkrail class flagships(7km), and smaller warships of 320m.
Territory: Sol system
RX-7s: 411,814-500,000
Sizzlers: 800-174,000
Cosmo attack fighters: 281,000-1,910,116
Buster machines: 3
Infantry: 35-280 million
Weapons:
•Photon torpedoes
•Laser cannons
•Laser turrets
•Homing missiles
•Graviton particle cannons
•Plasma
Technology: Used the exelion's reactor to implode and turn pluto into a blackhole, that would destroy invading space monsters. After losing it's original fleet of hundreds of ships(only 13 remained), the space defense force rebuilt the fleet to thousands in fifteen years. Condensed Jupiter into a bomb, with a 10,000 light year radius. A super exelion's shields at full power can tank supernovas. Gravity resistance technology allows their ships, and machines to withstand the pull of stars, and blackholes.
RX-7s- 8 Meter mechs capable of flight, and armed with nuclear warhead attachments, armed with electrically charged bo staffs, spears, prods, plasma lance, and a beam spray gun.
Sizzlers- 130 Meter mass produced Buster machines armed with electrified axes, spears, chain knuckle(fires cable that delivers 100 million volt shock), tomahawk(delivers force of 800 kilotons of tnt), arm cannons, vulcan blaster(40 megatons), and more powerful sizzler beam. It can move at percentages of light, and it's generator produces the same amount of power as the sun.
Buster machines:
•Gunbuster- 240 meter mech, with powers that include flight, speed, Buster Missiles from the fingers that cause disintegration of matter upon contact, the Buster Axe which is a double sided ax, a purple laser beam from the single eye called the Buster Beam, homing lasers from the fingers, shoulders, and legs, an energy baseball called the Buster Baseball that can be swung using a giant baseball bat, giant electric needles in the limbs called the Double Buster Collider, a beam reflecting cape called the Buster Shield, an extremely powerful electrically charged kick called the Lightning Kick, and a high resistance to gravity. It's buster beam can vaporize thousands of enemy capital ships, homing finger lasers can destroy thousands of space monster capital ships in one volley, double buster collider can exert enough energy to destroy capital ship that reflected the buster beam, and the lightning kick can plow through a mothership, alongside thousands of other vessels. Its cape can reflect 20,000 enemy capital ship blasts(Each around moon level). It's capable of casually swatting enemy fire with its hand. Capable of moving at percentages of light. It can withstand the gravity of the milky way super massive blackhole, and was durable enough for the pilots, to survive the explosion, and birth of a new supermassive blackhole.
Buster machine 3: A 869km bomb made from condensing jupiter, made to destroy the center of the galaxy, and created a new supermassive blackhole.
[12,000 years in the future]
Navy: 87,620-150,000+ ships, with equivalent ship sizes. It is very possible over 12,000 years they would have around a million ships.
Territory: Sol system/10 or more inhabited planetoids
Evos: 18-54 million
Buster machines: More or less 96
Fighters: 30-206 million
Infantry: 3-30 billion
Weapons:
•Photon torpedoes
•Laser cannons
•Laser turrets
•Homing missiles
•Graviton particle cannons
•Plasma
Technology: Humanity has abandoned degeneracy generators, and warp travel, but thanks to topless mental capabilities, AI, and other advancements buster machines are capable of going beyond the laws of physics. The most powerful was capable of throwing Jupiter 2 at the largest known space alien. Humanity was capable of building a device around earth, to turn it into a projectile to defeat the last space monster(Like a year or less).
Evos: Mechs with head mounted 90mm machine gun.
Buster machine 7/Buster legion:
Buster machine 7 was a defense system that surrounded and blockaded the sol system 10,000 years prior. Now it has manifested as an android resembling a young girl known as Nono. The reconnaissance type drone is 30 meters in height, can tank fire from Evos, legs for jumping/impaling, and has a tail laser. Larger drones can travel at speeds that rival light, emit electric shocks, and shoot spikes, and turn themselves into spears/ramming projectiles. The beastron type drone is one kilometer in length, and has mountain level fire power. It's stated that the buster legion is made up of hundreds of millions of drones, but this is an obvious understatement as they completely blockaded the system(2 sextillion is a more reasonable number). Either way Nono is capable of slicing the moon titan in half when she realizes her identity. After a lengthy retreat she returned as the 10,000km diebuster, and with help from Lal'c and her buster machine 19 they defeated the last space monster, splitting its blackhole in half. This caused a second big bang, which Nono sacrificed herself to cancel it out.
The Ultramar Auxilia is *always* ready for the Nids.
The only thing I have to add is that if the clones keep their starships they would be the fastest response force the galaxy has ever seen in the 40k universe. Hyperspace travel is fast if you compare it to 40k ftl it would be as if an obese man ran against Usain Bolt. A class 1 hyperdive, which Republic-era ships are equipped with, can cross the Star Wars galaxy in 2 weeks, and the Star Wars galaxy is 20% larger than our galaxy, where 40k takes place in. In 40k it takes months to fly from one system to the next. The main problem is that they are very dependent on Hyperlanes which limit movement due to real-world objects like stars, planets, or black holes affecting Hyperspace.
Oh yeah absolutely. Plus if you could fit say hyperdrives on standard ships it would make the imperium so much more advanced than anybody outside the necrons. Thanks for watching!
The best part of hyper space travel is no going through the warp
I imagine the imperium taking a look at them, ripping one out, bringing it to the mechanicus and going
"now I know you dont like reverse engineering stuff but you are going to make a exception for this or so help me god-emperor im cancelling your recreational toaster shipments for the indefinite future"
@@dirkbastiaandejong997local tech priest " screams in binary code at the thought of no toasters*
@coolchrisable to the tech priest who invented or perfected warpdrives: so you're telling me we could've been teleporting around the galaxy without going into the warp and exposing ourselves to the ruines powers of chaos, you filthy hetetic?!
A guard regiment fully armed with plasmers that dont overheat and armor that actually protects? Who would need spacemarines then
They would be a really great supplement to space Marines honestly. Plus the white scars would go nuts over the turbo tank. Thanks for watching!
An issue that arose with the Clones is that while they are effective, they are also expensive to produce and take a long time to produce compared to conscripting and training new troops out of regular people.
Fair enough! Thanks for watching!
Not really tho
Expensive? Yes but not long
The clone Wars was overall rather short? Only 7ish years and yet by the end there were at most quadrillions of clones produced in total and at least hundreds of billions
That's alot
@@brendandonohue2398when the imperium of man is at the very least quintillions strong, hundreds of billions isn't too much
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle id love to see any proof of the guard numbering in the quintillions since most fan numbers are in the trillions :/
And i think your forgetting this is hundreds of billions ....from one planet in less then a decade
The imperium can't send a text in a decade
@@brendandonohue2398 hive cities contain 5-10 billion residents. Each hive world has approx 30,000 hive cities on it. Combine that with a million worlds the imperium owns and you get (roughly) 150,000,000,000,000,000,000 residents, or 150 sextillion. If we assume that on average 1% of the population goes to the imperial guard (ignoring planets like cadia where 70% of residents are in active service at all times) that's 1.5 quintillion guardsmen.
Is this the work of GW not knowing how numbers scale? Probably. Is it canon anyway? Yes.
If we are including Legend source materials. As well, Clones would also have access to the ground the prototype AT-XT and AT-AT seen at The Battle Of Jabiim, for more powerful ships, The Imperator, Victory Class, and probably a few more ships.
But yeah they're gonna be extremely well equipped, trained for many battles.
True! With those they would have been even more powerful. Thanks for watching!
I would say they would be considered a powerful elite army used by the inquisition and other special forces of the imperium. @@unclesamlore
They're called the Death Korps of Krieg. The only major difference between the two is one is more suicidal.
True true, thanks for watching!
nice to see someone say clones would actually hold up in the 40k universe and not get whipped. good to see some love given to the last army of the republic!
Hell yeah! Thanks for watching!
@unclesamlore no problem man. Like watching good stuff, and this is some good stuff.
Clones are basically the guard in star wars.
You got jungle fighters, ones that disobey orders but still get the job done etc.
The rabid zeal 40k fans have for their hobby is admirable but it often gets in the way with scaling debates/discussions.
I for one would whole heartedly believe that humanity at the end of the "In Rememberance of Earth's Past" book series by Cixin Liu (three body problem, dark forest, and death's end) could easily body most of 40k (casually arming infantry/sleeper cells with antimatter? In a compact enough form to be fired out of a handgun bullet? Disrupting local speed of light as a byproduct of lightspeed travel? What's psionics gonna do to that?). And they aren't even close to the most terrifyingly powerful species in that setting. But trying to get some fans of 40k to seriously hear out that argument is a challenge to say the least.
@@terrykrugii5652 Yeah I remember reading a book sereis where a human empire had anti-matter weapons and the tech to travel to other universes. Of course the universe one was a secret by the forever cloning emperor but hell i'd take an anti-matter weapon over any weapon from 40k. Cause yeah you got armor on ya. Ain't gonna do jack against my anti-matter weapon because of the laws of phisycis.
How would a storm trooper regiment function in this i think you got your self a mini series right here
Now THAT would be interesting. Probably quite similarly in all honesty. I think how a Mandalorian army would function would be very cool though, or battle droids. Ill see whats getting me thinking! Thanks for watching big man!
@@unclesamlore battle Droids would be interesting 🤔
Also, fabulous work on this video.
Clones vs Guard and Tau is fair, but everything else will push them to their limits.
Thanks man I appreciate it! Oh absolutely
Even T'au is stretching it, clone armor doesn't exactly blend in with environments and the T'au love nothing more than easy targets hundreds of kilometers away
What if the Terran Marines from Starcraft were a Guard Regiment? They have quite a good arsenal with mobile heavy weaponry and armorments with powerarmor. They may not exactly be as strong as the Astartes individually but as a supplied armed regiment the Terrans would be a able to make the traitor legions like the Black Legion and Iron Warriors be forced to commit more forces and likely loss more traitor Astartes and much foot soldiers and equipment as they underestimate and downplay their lethality and capacity to dish out firepower with precision after fighting heavy armored Zerg swarms.
Imagine if 900,000 Terran Marines held their ground against a Chaos force the size that attacked the Kriegers in the battle of Vraks. The Traitors are going to lose alot of Chaos Astartes way more then they are comfortable with and be beaten back.
Dude if the traitors have good sense, they'd retreat. There's no way, they are beating that many terran marines. Not a contest.
Sisters of Battle, but men.
I'm gonna do this. Like. Soon. This is a wonderful idea. Thanks for watching!
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Knowing what the Traitor Astartes and their footsoldiers did on Vraks wasting time and being uncoordinated until Imperium reinforcements arrived their performance would be terrible against a defensive force of a million Terran Marines.
If a few million surviving Kriegers were able to hold out for months while the Chaos Marines were sea horsing around the Terrans should be able to repel a Vraks Chaos force more efficiently.
I want to see this SO BADLY
SAMEEEE. thanks for watching!
When it comes to the at-te, its like, what are YOU, gonna do when a literal tank just starts blasting at you from the goddamn roof?
EXACTLY. SKY TANK. thanks for watching!
What if the gilgamesh from votoms were a guard regiment?
ATs: ATs are mass-produced 3.8 meter armored troopers. Their speed is 41-83kph, and armor is 6-14mm thick. Their weapons of choice are 20-30mm(to scale) heavy machine guns, 50mm rifles, rapid fire hand rocket launchers, or shoulder missile gun pods(Some are shoulder mounted). Extra guns and missiles can be attached to the chassis. They are cheap, very cheap. So cheap that backwater ravine dwellers can get their hands on them. So cheap that they keep a bunch in storage. Gilgamesh lost all their 120 million AT soldiers in one battle, and it didn't severely cripple them.
THIS WOULD BE VERY XOOL. thanks for watching!
Already did it, they're called the Afriel Strain, cloned Heros of the Imperium with horrendous luck that eventually kills them.
Yeah those guys made me sad reading about them, thanks for watching!
would love to see u do the same for the Republic Troopers in the Old Republic, Havoc squad then the Old Republic navy
LOVE ME REPUBLIC TROOPERS. thanks for watching!
I just find it hilarious thinking about a clone trooper calling a necron a clanker
One thing that I believe you've glossed over with Nurgle in particular is anything related to him going up against a literal clone army... Is going to be horrifically effective even for how terrible miracle is to fight because fundamentally they all have the same weaknesses in their immune system.
But yeah I could totally see the clone army fitting into 40K rather nicely as something akin to The tempestus scions. An extremely well-funded army at least logistically that relies mostly on quickly getting the job done
Yup exactly! This has been my feeling overall! Thanks for watching!
Rogue guardsman also has the blood pack.
reminder clones have flame-throwers, good against orks but not so sure against necrons
True! That is a very good point. Thanks for watching!
The galactic empire shouldn't have gotten rid of the LAAT. The imperial drops hips are basically space Higgins boats, and every time an imperial soldier steps off it into a hot landing site, it's basically Omaha Beach in space.
EXACTLY. THE LAAT IS SO COOL. Thanks for watching!
@unclesamlore that's just one of the things the empire should have kept, another where the clone commandos or shadow troopers. The empire was the same as the republic, ridding themselves of things that could have saved them and giving their enemies exactly what they need to win, incompetent commanders with very easy odds of success if only they used their brains.
After seeing this video now I wonder how spartans would fit into Warhammer 40k, of course working for the Imperium
Considering how Spartans are so versatile in almost anything, piloting, assassination, scouting, general assault, you name it.
Spartans could be used as propaganda, rapid deployment forces, or simply just reinforcements.
They also excel at ship boarding and were built to quell rebellions originally.
The biggest strength of a spartan imo is how versatile they are in terms of jobs and skills.
Oh same! That would be very cool! Thanks for watching!
I didn't realize how OP the Grand Army of the Republic was until compared to an Imperial Guard Regiment. Now do a video on the CIS droid army vs. 40K :]
The clone army seems less powerful because they are always attached to the Jedi. When put on their own, they are monstrous. Thanks for watching Frankie!
@@unclesamlore yeah very few jedi were actually competent leaders
I feel like the droid army would swiftly fall to chaos and be used to spread theyr new owners wills
@@samuraibear5102 according to lore thats were you are wrong
@@user-sm4mi8ug9qwell that would havr made Chaos the most powerful fraction in wh40k and SW. They would have more soldiers tgan top 3 factions + Republic combined
Idea: What if the Chaos Gods existed in Star Wars during the clone wars? Who would be corrupted? Which gods would they embrace?
I'll look into this! Sounds neat! Thanks for watching!
Hey - really good blending of Star Wars visuals.
Thanks dad! Love you!
I would love to see a 40k version of the venator
SAME IT WOULD BE SO COOL. Thanks for watching!
Hmmm, very interesting!
Funny finding you here Fan... Doing some research are we?
I had a feeling I'd find you hear fan
Thanks you for watching!
Damn I just mentioned you fan I think this guy overestimated blaster effectiveness agains space marines your version is definitely the best.
Hell yeah, more 40k cross over content! I love this stuff it’s always great to see.
Thanks man! Happy you enjoyed! Thanks for watching!
Great video, thank you! Although I seem to recall the Warhams universe inherently hating clones on the level of causality-- see the Afriel Strain, clone soldiers that the universe disliked so much that it was like Final Destination, Warhammer Style.
OH YEAH THAT WAS FUNNY LOL, although it is rumored Kriegers are vat born. So cloning might already be a thing! Thanks for watching!
@@unclesamlore Voice Actor for the Death Korps of Krieg for Unification Mod here. They do. The lore for how the Krieger are 'breed' is very murky, due to the inconsistencies found in Imperial Armour compared to wider 40k lore, with them going from nightmarish breeding camps to 'artificial wombs' meant to facilitate the birthing of entire batches of children.
If I had to guess (and this is what we went with for Uni), they use the same cloning techniques seen with Spaarti Clones of Old Legends, specifically the Imperial Era when the Empire moved away from just the Fett Template to cloning any and all effective soldiers in the regular army. Considering that female Krieger are being more and more 'confirmed' by GW, this is likely the case.
@@Tracer_Krieg From my understanding Krieg isn't cloning it is more like taking an egg and fertilizing it, than making a baby in an artificial womb. Cheaper than cloning and a lot less complex.
This is dope, love what you thought of as I agree with basically everything you said
Thanks man! Thanks for watching!
I would argue that certain Jedi that had military knowledge and experience like oppo rancisis, Hett, kota, etc were good and aided the clones and those that were not as trained like anakin, Kenobi, Shaak Ti etc learned a great deal and became great generals as well as a tactical benefit those Star Jedi gave the clones using the force to aid their soldier etc
That is true, but those were the exception, not the rule. Ironically generals like krell if he hadn't fell to the dark side are more well oriented to that's tuff than anybody else. Him Anakin and mace windu along with Kenobi were the most qualified overall. Along with kota too he is great. Thanks for watching!
This was a really good video!
As a Star Wars Fan You did your research pretty well!
Thank you I appreciate the kind words! I have read so many star wars novels I barely have to do any research at this point. But I will never turn down the opportunity to read a good star wars book! Thanks for watching!
I think all space marines would absolutely adopt the juggernaut for wide range use
It would literally be a super rhino. It would BE AWESOME. DO YOU KNOW HOW COOL AN ORK VERSION WOULD BE
@@unclesamlore oh I’d definitely pay money to see that lmao. They’d somehow manage to steal one from the guard 💀
You should do a “What if the Helghast are a part of the imperium?”
Aesthetically they are perfect for 40k.
Very good video, I like how you actually took a closer look & did not just go for a list of reasons why they would be underpowered in 40k etc.
That being said, I think you highly understated the imapct of a hyperdrive. Assuming it works just fine in the 40k galaxy, this could be a game changer for the imperium. Of course, at some point we would need to talk if the Imperium is able to maintain or even reverse-engineer it. Bit if they are, it would completely change the way the Imperium could be ran. Small ships could be repurposed to deliver messages from one end of the Imperium to the other within weeks or even days. Big ships like the Venator could serve as transport ship for some elite quick reaction force, probably supported by space marines.
Just having access to a sizeable fleet of FTL ships that work like in star wars and are immune to the warp alone would probably have a bigger impact than the whole military might of the GAR.
This is very true! I probably should have elaborated on that more! Thanks for watching!
40k already has a clone army in the Afriel Strain. It was not successful at all but we can just say that the GAR was the first successful batch after finally getting the formula right.
True! That would definitely work! Thanks for watching!
I think its hard to compare the lasgun and the blaster since the lore fluctuates so much. In some cases, lasguns are able to penetrate body armor and blow of large chunks of muscle, even blasting heads to pieces. One account stated that every third laser bolt has a high chance of penetrating Space Marine armor. Not to mention that the power output of a lasgun can be modified to go from a pea shooter to melting vehicles.
True, but it depends on power level on average. Different regiments have different lasguns, each having different variables. On average though, the ability that penetrate armor for most lasguns is not as strong. Thanks for watching!
@@unclesamlore most often not. Cadians and Mordians are very standard in that regard. But Kriegers, Macabians, Vostroyans, and the Armageddon Steel Legion have more powerful weapons. I don't doubt the others will modify their weapons if they see that their standard isn't effective. And no, the Mechanicus wouldn't stop them.
1,728,000,000 billion is the current theory of many were made considering a single unit isn't just one trooper instead a unit is 576 troopers
Oh wow true yeah. Thanks for watching!
@unclesamlore loved the vid I'm learning 3d modeling so I can make a 40k style clone trooper so I can make my own imperial regiment
While I would agree that would be a better number. I heard someone say the theory has been disproveb before.
@shaneclark2927 a 2.5 million military is an unbelievable small army expected to fight galaxy wide war not to mention this was just the number of total clones created. A 200k army is not big enough to fight a planet size war let alone a galaxy one especially since according to one source about 100k clones died that's 50 percent of the GARs army so the belief that each unit is 576 makes alot more sense meaning there would still be around 115,100,000 clones left after geonosis
@@andrewofthebloodcrusaders7175 I agree that is far too few to clones but from my understanding it is official Canon that there were so few clones made. I think the range of clones is between 7 million to 16 million from sources I seen. Besides the clones there were also non clones soldiers as well, but still I agree that is far too small amount of clones.
I can see logistics becoming an issue as most of there stuff doesn't have the versatility of being able to use wood as fuel or place magazines in a camp fire to recharge them. I can also see that even after having to follow imperial regulations to seperate command for infantry, tanks and artillery it wouldn’t stop them from effectively coordinating with each other.. until there put with someone else.
Probably, but for the case of the example it would be nice if that didn't happen, thanks for watching!
I could see Imperial Civilized World producing Clone Troopers with the aid of specialized Adeptus Mechanicus Genetors watching the cloning process and raising them up, while local PDF/Guard elements train them for war.
Several batches of various growth/aging speeds in hopes to get atleast few Veteran Clone Troopers through attrition and war. However, 40k has already had few clone regiments and eventually universe turned against them.
That same fate would fall upon Clone Trooper Regiments as well, because for some reason, 40k universe hates clones.
OO YES. THIS WOULD BE COOL. thanks for watching!
“Clone slaves VS. Robot slaves! You zoomers don’t understand how cool this was in the 90’s.” - TheRussianBadger
LOVE ME BADGER. thanks for watching!
I don't know if the Clone army would fare well in 40k, since clones in 40k tend to be screwed so hard by bad luck that the Lamenters would take pity on them.
But if they're cloned like it's rumored the Kriegsmen are (mixing up the genes before cloning), they would be a good fighting force, that's true.
Fair enough! Thanks for watching!
Honestly I feel the Stormtrooper Corps would be better for the 40k Imperials, but if we are talking more Legends clones, then this makes a bit more sense
Yeah I'm going more legends here! Empire would be more of the same if I'm honest. Thanks for watching!
I’ll willing to bet Wolfe, Rex, and Cody could make a plan to take some of the worse threats on 40k after some exposure haha
Probably yeah lol, thanks for watching!
7:08 in legends it can be treated and cured
I know I was just addressing potential issues so that way I was taking a more balanced look at stuff. Thanks for watching!
I like this take better than the usual "how would the republic fare vs the imperium" obviously the imperium would stomp them to a red mist, but i like how what if they allied instead as i always wanted to see what would happen if the republic was sent to vraks instead of the death korp of krieg or how would they fare if the tyranids first invaded kamino instead of tyran
Loved the video @unclesamlore! Can't wait for the next video man! First video of yours that I'm watching and absolutely loving the content man!
I've got an Interesting Thought for you man! Say there was a Joint Operation between the 183rd, 184th and 185th Regiments of Imperial Guard's Death Korps of Krieg and the Grand Army of the Republic's 212th Attack Battalion fighting against an Orc "Wagh!!!!" on a Planet kinda like Vraks or Geonosis but more like where the Praetorian Guard had been wiped out in the Battle of "Orc's Drift".
The Death Korps have their Standard Mars Pattern and Anihilator Model Leman Russ Tanks, A Baineblade or Two, their usual Artillery and the Space Marines of Robote Gulliman's own Ultramarines in support while the Clones have their Tx-130t Saber Tanks, The AT-TE, AT-AP and AT-RT Walkers as well as the HAVw A6 Juggernaut Turbo Tanks and BARC Speeder Bikes as well as the AV-7 Anti-Vehicle Cannons and a Squadron each (12 Starfighters) of Alpha-3 Nimbus-class V-wing Stafighters, BTL-B Y-wing Starfighters, Z-95 Headhunters and ARC-170 Starfighters as Air Support and Maybe some Republic Gunships and Dropships to Move some Rapid Reaction Forces in Reserve if things get even remotely hairy.
The Greenskins are more or less Stuck in having been on the Planet for about a Month or so. You can imagine how the Camp or how many Camps they might have built by then if "Orc's Drift" is somewhere in the Picture. They've got decent Numbers and they aren't afraid to make use of them, then again that's the Orc's for you.
What would you make of this Particular fight and how would things go for either side?
Let me know what you think about this and I'll catch you in your next video man!
Thanks man! I appreciate it! I really like this scenario! It's really well done! Thanks for watching!
There are a few more downsides,
1: 3 million soldiers is such a pathetically small number it most likely will not be able to affect the result of a single planet. With 1910s infrastructure one human country was able to mobilise 13 million, a planet with advanced tech only producing 3 million would be pathetic. So they could never be deployed alone to any significant battle, with a constant need for Imperial support.
2: Without Kamino and Republic industry all their cool equipment would not be able to be maintained, but even if the clones had those it would be even worse because y’know aliens.
3: Their equipment is not sanctioned, so those benefits disappear. If they worked for the T'au maybe it would work but if they joined the militarum they would either need to be deployed on the fringes, lose their equipment or be purged.
4: As others have mentioned 40k already have clone troopers in 40k, they're called the Death Krops of Krieg. In the Book Krieg it’s hinted that since their DNA is a hot mess due to radiation all Krieg soldiers are clones of their faction's founder.
While you are correct about all of these things, rule of cool is a rule of it's own. It doesn't need to totally make sense, just needs to feel fitting! That's most of 40k as it is anyway! Thanks for watching!
i reckon the helghast from killzone would be a good imperial guard regiment, given that helghan is probably close to being a death world
They definitely give off a real cool krieg vibe! Thanks for watching!
Honestly I think the Clones would be a fine addition to the Imperium's collection of regiments. Regiments such as Cadians, Kriegers and Catachans are THE best guard regiments in the galaxy. In an Imperium with a million worlds they're in the top 10. Quality of regiments can vary wildly depending on what resources are available.
Very true! Thanks for watching!
You can make one up. It would need some explanation why a world has vat-growing facilities to scale and permits to use them.
Yes, exactly! Thanks for watching!
6:42 There are all repubic era ships that can go toe to toe with 40k vessels but not many mostly in the the form of the mandator star dreadnought (analogous to a battleship) or praetor battlecrusier analogous to a regular imperial crusier or light cruiser
That is true, but they were not very common. I was looking at the average stuff as that would get used most of the time
@unclesamlore They can be produced in a couple of years by 40k terms That's extremely fast Of course.
That implies shipyards like kuat are available
@@spartanx9293and the rothana factory's
@adamhastie8439 rothona can do it But it's more designed for producing ground units
@@spartanx9293 I'm also pretty sure it's a subsidiary of kuat
One B2 Battle droid (Republic Commando) Vs the entire imperial guard.
LMAOOOO thanks for watching!
The blasters are def plasma weapons, but I have to wonder if we would be better served comparing their damage output to hellguns rather than 40k plasma guns, because getting hit by a 40k plasma bolt with see most people vaporized down to their boots, however getting hit by a blaster bolt seems to leave the body largely intact. Maybe I'm overthinking it lol. The clones are gene modified too, so they might be 3 million strong equivalent of the Geno-Chiliad from the book legion, just instead of having latent psykers they have that "we're all literally the same guy" gestalt, but mechanically it would be pretty easy to say they are doing much the same either way there.
If we reckon they are about the equal of a hellgun with their blasters, and kitted out basically like Inquisition storm troopers, otherwise as well, and give them the gene modified template (which I think I remember from waaaay back in 3e but I could be wrong on what it's called) to increase their toughness overall and invent something new, or use a toned down version of Tyranid hive mind effects, make their preferred squad special weapons either the heavy flamer, or a scaled down multi-las, or the rocket launcher, I think we have a respectable basis for list building already (at least by oldhammer standards, lol, somebody more up to date will have to take the reigns if you want new style, I honestly don't know how different things are post 5th edition, and I only ever had a 3e guard codex lol. You might also base them off the Inquisition roster, but that's mostly for the stormies, or base them off the Harakoni warhawks, the ARC and hover tanks would really mesh with that doctrine quite well I think or you could get REALLY daring and just give them the same stats as space marine scouts, but like not their guns obviously, lol, scouts could serve as the basis for the ARC or commando units in either case.
Oh wow yeah true, that is a good point. I like this, it's all very cool! Thanks for watching!
They'd be the Solar Auxilia essentially.
Basically! Thanks for watching!
few things i disagree with on the armaments you mentioned. Yet the biggest problem is that clones in the 40k universe are cursed with bad luck. Meaning that they'll have lamenters level of bad luck if not worse.
True, but it would still be neat to see! Thanks for watching!
The clone army as a regiment would probably be sent crusading against the T'au since 3 million soldiers that individually are trained to be slightly above the avarage guard's man and mostly equipped with plasma equipment, Hyperdrive (and other stuff, including legends material just because they need everything to live in 40k) will be the perfect force against growing threats
YUP. THEY WOULD BE SO GOOD THERE. Thanks for watching!
@@unclesamlore And you thanks for making a well made video
Well, I agree with you on just about every. Thing after remember is clone. Weaben's blasters in general, I'm ion based particles in their plasma. This was because they needed it to help them deal. Extra damage to droid units in Star Wars. So when going up against the Tao or even the necrons they're actually gonna do a lot better than what you think because of the extra electrical damage that they're gonna do to say operating systems of the necrons And the Tao mechs
True! Thank you for watching!
Honestly, I think the Clone Troopers would be one of those regiments that are allowed to have mixed units like Armageddon Steel Legion, due to the fact they are loyal to a fault (EU), they are trained from birth to follow all orders no matter what, highly effective, and most importantly for the Imperuim, loyal. As an example in the dark horse Clone Wars comic, Alpha 17 was willing to kill unborn clones to make sure they aren't turned against the republic, with him saying "They either grow up loyal to the Republic, or they don't grow up at all"." I say the Imperuim would love the Clone Troopers.
Rdut: the Aclimator is more of a troop transport ship then an actual combat ship, meant to carry troops, armor and supplies to the planet, im going off the EU though.
Yeah the acclimator is more of a carrier but was used as a capital ship before the venator was fully done. I absolutely agree! It's why I feel they are such a good fit. Thanks for watching!
Love seeing star wars vs Warhammer stuff. Been listening to a audio series of starwars vs Warhammer.
It's a great series! Thanks for watching!
You say What If.
I say. It already, The Krig Corp of Death.
LOL thanks for watching!
Such a good video topic. When can we expect part 2?
Thanks man! I am unsure. I wanna do more videos like this but don't know what factions I could do. Thanks for watching!
Maybe the UNSC? Or the Government behind titanfall?@@unclesamlore
@@MacroLore The Confederacy and there droid army?
@@unclesamlore maybe the other way around, would the Leagues of Votann fit into Star Wars?
Palpatine: Witness the full power of this fully operational battle sta-
Luke: What's that? *Points out the window, in the distance is the world engine.
Imp Comms Officer: My Emperor a cominique from the unknown object.
Palpatine: On screen.
*The Silent King is on his throne.*
Silent King: Your feable attempt at copying my empire's grand works is offensive to me. DIE.
Honestly surprised to hear that the Clones would do very well in 40K. I would like to see your take on how the Guardians from Destiny would fare. I think they would be near unstoppable as they are essentially magical ressurrecting power rangers whose weapons and powers keep on increasing to higher heights and wider variety evermore as the series goes on.
I especially think that they would be the terror that Chaos fears as each Guardian has the potential to be a god killer if given enough time, trainning and experience.
Not only that they are coming in with a balanced mind set in regards to power and the duality of light in dark in their hearts making them hard if not outright immune to the temptation of Chaos.
While they are not immortal, the way to really kill of a Guardian requires a unique type of weapon that I would describe as ANTI-PERPETUAL or Existance weapon, aka what Emperor did to Horus and those are both rare in the respective universes.
I will admit that I'm more familiar with Halo but I am very tired of Halo after Infinite killed the series, but the Guardians I can dig, they haven't been ruined on a story level.
This is all very true! I'm gonna look into it! Thanks for watching!
Technically Great Crusade era, but has anyone mentioned Geno Five-Two Chiliad? They featured in Legion (The Horus Heresy Book). They aren't clones, but are all results of genetic engineering from specific genetic donors. Their commanding officers (all-female btw) also have weak psychic potential, and are able to connect with those under their command on a deeper level, which I think was something some Jedi could do? Idk.
That sounds very jedi like yeah. Legion was great and those guys were really fun to read about! Thanks for watching!
I can see this as the most possible regiment from the star wars franchise due to the earlier pros being that: thousands of worlds that were like Kamino it would like be the most competent (if given a Viable and untainted Leader), Loyal, obedient, and reasonable to some degree. Of course the imperium more likely the inquisitor and the mechanicus would be intrigued by the tech the clone army has. Even if they have already the infrastructure it would be pumping millions of Clone troopers supporting the Legion in that regard. It may also altercate the gene-seed or the genetics being that once you are at a certain age you can grow slower to somewhat level to the guards man to the clone grunt to the imperium's assassin's to the arc troopers or similar to the nature of it. I do see that others were can capable to handle the biomass or technology (just no psykers in the field). It may do also be a patrol force or a of the g-man's greatest asset when it comes to the logistical from the parts that were not in the frontlines but with the speed and reproducibility of some what degree... it may also be part of the warp's engine if you can see long enough.
And also with the combined arms tactics that were usually used from both cannon and legends. It may posssibly with enough time and innovation (with the permission by the Emperor himself) it may also be one if not the strongest non-astartes militarioum. Sure it can also work as the patrol to the occupied sectors (depends on the enemies faced) but with the proper 'training', 'doctrination', and time. No one knows if this will be the greatest or atleast attest the brutality of 40K
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Here's an idea! One of the Great Houses from Battletech vs a comparably sized Imperium of Man.
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I love Star Wars but I know nothing of warhammer might consider looking into it now.
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I would even argue that a stormtrooper is better equipped and trained than an average guardsmen.
Look up thermal detonator for good reason.
Mandalorians would fit really well into the 40k universe. Especially during the Mandalorian Wars era.
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Hm. When you put it that way, a Chaos Space eating multiple shots from a Z-6 to the helmet wouldn't survive. They would have their heads melted off. But thats if the space marine just stands there and lets the clones shoot at them freely.
True! But either way it could do some hurt
well at the same time it is near impossible to dodge their rate if fire.
What would happen if you plump a Supreme Commander down on a planet. . .the Emperor Titan sized fabricator making a moon into a munition is always fun to see.
*Planetary Annihilation
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The problem with clones is their accelerated aging, simply traveling takes a great amount of time, a big part of not losing regiments to aging is the fact that co-ed regiments will keep their numbers up by reproducing. The GAOTR was only male.
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The main problems are that the Clone Army is only equal to a few regiments, and they age, and fast, and without a bunch of alien space slavers, they won't get replaced.
Their gear however would make the regular troops that replaced them more powerful though. Just don't forget that the Guard is all wlite troops.
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In terms of down sides, the clones can be made quicker and still have the same consistent training in comparison to other guard regiments were they just try to conscript the best that they could with varying degrees of success.
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You forget that both Nurgle and the Nid's employ bioweapons. The instant either figures something out that will reliably kill a clone, then the entire regiment is useless against either force.
@@mrbuttocks6772 Clone Wars actually touched on that in a episode. With how nasty Nurgle infection can be, the rate of infection would be a small increase when it's already so high, Like 98% for normal humans and clones being 100%. Negligible difference in the end as everyone including Astartes get screwed by Nurgles diseases
@@mrbuttocks6772clone armor does have an advantage in being giant hazmat/space suits. But any planted virus's (like a lictor dumping a virus in food) would mess em up
Clone Regiments would be on the same lvl like Cadians, Catachans or Kriegs(maybe not so much in long Sieges or simliar long Battles because of thier got very fast older Thing.) on more or less most Situation, of they maybe got some Hardware like the Leman Rus etc they would be a really deadly Diamond in the Crown of the best Regiments of the Imperial Guard. So, yeah... a nice addition the the Collection of the Regiments. *Smirks* Edit: I would love hear you thoughts of Mandalorian Regiments in the Imperium of Man.
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I mean there is also a major problem you didnt bring up with the blasters... they have to have a constant source of ammo being sent to the front so at least 1 forge world to make the amount they would need for long campaigns to match some of the other major regiments. This would mean 1 of 2 things would happen 1. The lasgun get adopted for most units leaveing the blasters as only the elite squads to use or 2 they become a heavy ambush or sniper unit over time. The biggest plus to the las gun is as long as you have the packs you can just set it next to a heat source or the sun and charge it back up meaning it needs next to no supply lines. New packs would just come with new units as they get reinforcements or jury riged fixs to packs can be done to make them last.
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The biggest benefit to any army and the reason lasguns are so ENORMOUSLY widespread in 40k: LOGISTICS. The less chance you give the Departmento Munitorum or Throne forbid, the Adeptus Administratum a chance to ruin your life, the better!
Also Green blasters do more damage while blue blasters do increased damage to machines. Red is standard. Yellow is supposed to be electrified, dont remember what orange is supposed to be, while ancient races tend to use purple.
The Imperium will make whole legions of them.
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1:57 I'm not sure if you want to sey that but, there is not just one of each imperial guard regiment, there are hundreds of krieg, cadia, valhalla, catachan, etc regiments
Oh yeah no I know! I was just making the point that alot of guard regiments that we don't see often are quite similar and this could be a neat differentiation! Thanks for watching!
This is interesting
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