Introverted Thinking - Ti - Laws - Explained Correctly
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"The valuing of L makes these types appreciative of clear rules, principles and ideologies by which one lives one's life. Having a clear framework is important to them as it delineates correct and incorrect actions and structures one's understanding fairly, consistently and impartially. Furthermore it demands a consistency of the individual in not changing their tune to suit the situation. Such types are quick to call out double standards and hypocrisy, demanding consistency in the actions of others. They tend to see truth as a more of a coherent or perfect whole, free from internal contradictions, rather than necessarily something that accurately reflects how things work in reality".
Basically Ti = Descartes. Te = John Locke.
I'm not through the entire video yet, but I want to comment on one point: Ti is static, yes, but quite the opposite of immovable. Once Ti reaches the framework/model/theory goes inmediately in search for a better one. I say this because "static" is often misinterpreted as rigid, high Ti users are often labeled as stubborn or fanatic, but... well, it only takes a small proof to change the framework. What's inmovable is the need for that proof.
Ti: perceives, processes, and produces static frameworks or models or detects faulty ones. Refinement, think of a sculptor who is refining a stone into a piece of art. The final product is a static object(produces), however if you try to change it to a different piece of art it is no longer the original piece of art. You have to start over from the beginning with the same material to build the piece again. If you notice a flaw in the sculpture you can try to correct it if possible. If you cannot you have to start all over. The function creates static or stable structures. It is creating frameworks or models to operate on. Static is a rigid thing my friend. You are conceptualizing the function incorrectly. Static statures are what the Ti function perceives, processes, and produces. Remember my fellow intellectual! Ti builds or creates static structures not dynamic structures.
Great video! You explain the functions so well.
Good stuff
Ti is so elegant
For me Ti is also long term effectiveness. I like setting things up to satisfy/convenience people in the future. I'm always thinking "wouldn't this annoy someone?" this makes me make decisions because of Fe.
effectiveness sounds more like Te to me.
It sounds more Te than Ti. Ti is way more subjective in nature and doesnt. consider how other people might apply their principles.
Define 'subjective', because if Ti cannot be articulated and shared to others, then Ti is broken.@@hq1082
Sounds like Ni(long term) + Fe(emotional effectiveness).
"The one principle Heraclitus did embrace was that of the Logos,
which can be variously translated as the Word or the Spirit or the Reason or even the Way-in fact, the parallels between Heraclitus’s Logos and the Chinese Tao are striking.
By following the Logos, Heraclitus affirmed, which he saw as a kind of spark or breath (psyche in Greek) that resides in each of us as individuals and also permeates the world, we can achieve peace."
- Arthur Herman (The Cave and the Light: Plato Versus Aristotle, and the Struggle for the Soul of Western Civilization)
"Goals. What does the persuader want to get out of the argument?
Is she trying to change the audience’s mood or mind, or does she want it to do something? Is she fixing blame, bringing a tribe together with values speech, or talking about a decision?
Ethos, pathos, logos.
Which appeal does she emphasize-character, emotion, or logic?
Kairos. Is her timing right? Is she using the right medium?"
- Jay Heinrichs (Thank You for Arguing: What Aristotle, Lincoln, and Homer Simpson Can Teach Us About the Art of Persuasion)
For those humans for which the signifier does not equal the signified, I suggest you look up the words "Logocentrism", "semantics" & "semiotics".
For those humans for which the signifier DOES equal the signified, congratulations on never misinterpreting anything and being able to understand every language ever. Please contact linguists so you can tell them what Minoan Linear A means. And you can also tell me what my 'Big Grandma' meant by 'fow'. I couldn't find it on the internet so that will make it hard for you to cheat. I have a good idea of what she meant based on the context of who she called 'fow'.
So if a Ti user is not academic or even «schooled» but for example living in a country wih a poor school system…Let us say grew up in the favelas in Brazil and cannot read or write. How would Ti play out then for them? I ask this because every explanation of Ti seem to have to do with terms and definitions and Ti users often speak in an «academic way». Refering to defenitions from philospohers of the past etc But for an illiterate or someone who is self taught would it then be the laws of the street or the jungle or whatever…Or would that be more Se?
Ti confuses me. Even after your video :) (ENFP).
LSIs could very easily adapt to the 'laws of the street'. They'd be able to identify a code and live by that code quite firmly regardless of written text.
For a LII, it may be harder to find an environment in which they will thrive but one without an education will still have a tendency to be hyper-analytical, and try to make sense of one's surroundings while taking issue with any seeming contradictions or inconsistencies.
Even a baby, with no book learning at all, engages with categories, distinctions, and structures of meaning to first learn a language.
@@WorldSocionics Thank you. That helps :)
@@winterbird4447 Hey Small B, you said snitches get stitches, but Big Al told on you and you did nothing about it. Clearly you meant they get stitches when they ain't tougher than whomever they told on.
So do L ego types wish to follow laws, rules, regulations,? Are they by the book? Do you see LSI as by the book?
They are rule oriented, but which rules they follow depend on which they accept as the truth.
@@WorldSocionics Does that go for LSI too? Do you see LSI as giving the benefit of the doubt to a rule which comes from an authority in a general sense? eg an LSI giving you the benefit of the doubt.
why didn't you approach in a bit more detail the refining approach of Ti over expansive
I'll make that clearer. Ti is refining because structures rely on preserving integrity. If anything else is added, it cannot contradict anything or it breaks the whole system. So good structures have few axioms that all cohere.
@@WorldSocionics Ye that's a good way to word it, nice. That is literally my mental life since i remember it. It can be so stubborn and arrogant sometimes. (LII)
The audio is very quiet in this video too
same microphone as the others, not sure why it'd be quieter.
Than you’re deaf. There’s nothing about this video that’s hard to hear
this makes sense for +Ti, but what about -Ti?
How do you define -Ti?
@@WorldSocionics i think of analysis, mathematics, and maybe definitions
all bachelors are unmarried - it cannot be just a tautology, maybe the idea of compressing all that data into a single word, as it was the idea of using a few letters with no referential visual characteristic to write versus hundreds of ideograms, a system much more complicated and inefficient
Tautology is an example, but not definitive.
The process of compressing data into a single word, that can work, because to do that requires going through the data and simplifying it down to the one principle that can be derived from that data.
you should add some background music perhaps a wizards cloak you would look good in steam punk,
why do you think we have these personality types, these archetypes, that could very well mirror that of the Olympians or primordial energies and the stories that unfold
, is there a higher purpose?
that we should be using type for (aside for healing and the transformation we must go through) but rather after do we naturally have designated roles and perhaps what's causing some much neurosis and anxiety is that once most did what their parents did, married who their parents said to marry
and now with this new free range wage slavery and its open plantation with the many forks in the road that we call choice people simply dont know what to do beyond the propaganda bottle fed to them
nevertheless (aside from the work big pharma plays) but on personal individual levels the overall angst,
is it due to everyone simply not playing their roles and staying in their lane, because they have been gaslight by modern caste systems of class race & wealth ???
im not suggesting this is the end all be all of systems either but its a good template or blueprint so to speak to the homo Sapien psyche . A way that we perhaps interact not only with others in a more harmonious way but also with ourselves to forgive ourselves to regulate ourselves on a chemical hormonal level thru knowing ourselves recognizing ourselves by getting a mind eye view of our minds eye so to speak
Here's an example of thinking which is not subjective: zero downvotes therefore Ben didn't vote it down.
Now compare the syllogism to the enthymeme where the enthymeme apes the form of the syllogism. The difference between the two is that he the syllogism has premises which are 'necessary' [true] and the enthymeme has premises which are 'probable' and more importantly your audience think are true. If the premises of thinking are subjective, the thinking will be subjective.
If thinking occurs via the medium of language, there is a very good chance it will become subjective because language is both empirical and subjective hence why Aristotle's Poetics was misread. My first sentence in this comment, however, should not be misinterpreted.
It's an irony when someone talks about thinking being external and 'objective' that the word 'objective' has at least 3 meanings. There are also various understandings of the word 'empathy'. Language is both empirical and subjective.
Also, various academics have discussed what exactly Aristotle meant by 'catharsis' in the poetics.
Also, what we know as the poetics, were likely a collection of lecture notes.
As for 'structural logic'. That fits what TiNx and NeTx aim for because, in Keirsey, they have the half of the Strategic Intellect named 'Construction' of theories and models. It is exemplars of TiNx and NeTx that tend to define Ti so Ti will have that bias in its definition. But that definition is Ti with Ne. And the TiNx will go towards Ti-H which is integrative because the TiNx is very integrative of various theoretical inputs.
NeTx: Jack, Ausra, Bukalov, & Eric.
TiNx: Jung, van der Hoop, Berens, Gulenko, & Ben.
But there is also an expedient Ti when combined with Se. This is shown in quick thinking context-dependent improvising.
These definitions I've used above play out at the whole type level. Types which can be seen via Essential Motivator Pattern (Keirsey Temperament) and interaction style. These definitions are descriptive rather than made up.
If thinking is objective, how can I be wrong? Many TiNx resemblers have been wrong.
mumbo jumbo...
A theory you’re personally not able to comprehend does not make it “mumbo jumbo”
@@covetouscorvid2860 hehehehe I'm just trolling..