Sport Motorcycle Tire Shootout Part 3: B-Group - MotoUSA
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- čas přidán 2. 02. 2015
- Motorcycle USA puts several top sportbike tires to the test in our latest tire shootout. Check out our introduction video to find out how we are conducting our testing. Read the full Sportbike Tire Shootout: www.motorcycle-usa.com/545/219...
In this B Group test we compare the following tires:
Bridgestone Battlax BT-016 Pro
Avon 3d Ultra Supersport
Shinko 016 Verge 2x
Metzler Sportec M5 Interact
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Everything I have read about the Shinko is that the front is like you guys say, but everyone loves the rear tires.
You guys need to do more of these videos they are just fantastic and very informative.
Impressive tire feeling from Adam on a blind test, called the dunlop right out.
Awesome testing guys great job
Hope there will be more soon! Thank you for the hard but very relevant work.
i loved your review on tyres, thank for having been so precise in the behaviour description of every tire!
i think that more than the place a single tire got, it's important to listenig at what he says abut the feeling and behaviour of them..
i kinda get feeling tires as i was trying'em thrugh his words.. many thanks!
Wow very impressed by the combo of scientific testing and the usual personal opinion part too. Some shocking differences in warm-up time. Who've thunk it :-)
Great job Adam.
Great series of videos! Appreciate the effort put in here. I'm and old guy riding a ZX9R, I don't have the access to experience a lot of different product so I rely on information to choose my next set of tires, bike is currently on its 3rd set of OEM Battlax and from the information here OEM may have made the best choice for me to start with.
Awesome!
Just put the Shinkos on my bike. I have no problems leaning the bike over. At all. The grip is perfectly fine. Flat spots???? Right, I'm sure a motorcycle tire company manufactures flat tires. They're cheaper and they are very durable. As long as your not doing serious track riding, these Shinkos are a great choice.
I wish they would have tested the Pirelli Rosso Corsa I am sure it would have one this comparison. I have tried the Michelins, Bridgestones and the Pirellis are the best I have used hands down. Wouldn't mind trying the Metzler M7's next.
I really like how these reviews are done. You should have added a conti Roadattack in this also tho
it is time for the 2016 update
hadouken -agreed, but they should have an average Joe like me do it 😎
love to see these on a sports touring test, like the pilot road 3 and the conti road attacks
CruzinKrispy - yes, this is a good idea for sure. But we won't have the capability of doing something like this anytime soon... Adam
+Adam Waheed How about if I just give you a list of about 10 different bikes I would like for you to test each tire on...? (-;
thank you for adding this group of affordable tires haha
time for a 2017 update! :-)
Great testing procedure. I was astonished to see the difference in lap times from the A group tires.
Perhaps a test like this with race rubber?
Rob Evans Here is a link to a race tire shootout from six years ago. Much of the ideas are still valid to a certain extent... Adam www.motorcycle-usa.com/2009/11/article/2009-dot-race-motorcycle-tire-shootout/
I've watched that review many times Adam. Would LOVE to see this test repeated in 2015/16
Adam Waheed I've watched this review many many times. I would love to see you run this test again in 2015/16 with the latest offerings. Love the scientific procedure.
Please include the Pirelli Diablo II in your next test group.
make another video like this for 2018!
great vid and well conducted test...please see if Contimotion can be included in the next group 'B' test...
Man. Those contimotions scared me. Never warmed up. Rode ok, but i lost traction during braking on multiple occasions. Scary. Metzeler m3 or Shinko verge are "better".
On the subject of that Metzler M5. I went looking for something like a bigger sports bike, that could carry two people. I ended up with a ZX14. The original Bridgestones stood up all the time and didn't warm up or grip real well. So I went looking for a replacement. Long story short, nothing really seemed to suit the bike. Then I got suggested an M5. They take a little while to scrub in, and you want to warm them up before you ask any big questions, but they're a fairly stiff solid carcass and a heavy bike does not make them squash and stand up all the time. They grip well and the steering remains neutral. If you own a big bike like a 1200 Bandit, a ZX14 or a Hyabusa or a Blackbird, do have a look at the M5. As a sporty tyre for 'busa class bikes, they're extremely good.
I'm laughing at the fact they rated the BT-016 at 3rd with the rider's feedback saying it was his favorite of the group 😂
Did you understand how the scorecard works or just playing stupid here ?
Izzi KaMoto I am riding that tire right now. I put 6500 miles on it. It is an alright tire. I had to play with the tire pressure quite a bit to get any performance out of it. I rode the Q3 last. It was leaps and bounds better than the 016
The 016 litterally sucks when you ride in rain. It loses traction fast, not confidence inspiring at all. Dry grip is decent, I dont get alot of feel / feedback out of the 016s tho.
The OEM bt016 the bike comes on from the factory is really bad and it's not the same bt016 you buy in a shop.The one you buy in a shop is much better.Bt 016 pro is different new tyre mutch batter then the regular bt016.So don't confuse bt016 and bt016 pro.
Tmrthiago
Feel free to edumacate him here. And me too I must be stupid also.
Go>>>>>>>>
Please test also the Zeneos ZN62
Are you able to ride the same speed on the B group tires? I just had Metzler M7RR Sport tec tires mounted on my 2003 Honda RC 51. The wear on the A group tires makes the rubber look much softer and grippier.
2019 do this type of review again where is is at??????
Any info on the dunlop alpha 13 ? I have a zx2r and am mostly riding twisty roads :p ?? Much appreciated
2020 time for update
Wish they would have tested the Metzeler Sportec M7 RR.
TheSydguy30 It was not yet available in the U.S. during last September's test... Adam
+Adam Waheed .. ADAM...you cut your hair!! (-;
Or was the profile picture taken before it grew out..?
THANKS for the GREAT Information! I know that tire comparisons are like lap-top computer comparisons...by the time you get them edited and posted, NEW products are already hitting the Market!
I LOVE my Q3's!!
For my first Track Day on my then new Fz1, I still had the Factory OEM Bridgestones on the bike...but I picked up a nail in the rr on my way there...
Dunlop was 'sponsoring' part of the cost of the Track Day -- and had Scott Russell there giving RIDES on his Q3 equipped Fz1! So, of course, a Q3 went on the back of my bike! I was (and still am) "new" to Sport riding after 30+ years of riding dirt bikes to "classic Standards" like KZ900's and Kaw 2-stroke triples, to cruisers. But I could tell a CLEAR difference in the very first session with the Q3 vs the 2,000+ miles I had already put on the Bridgestone... and I am now on the 3rd set of Q3's -- front and rr of course.
BUT, the Q3's DO make me feel uncomfortable in the rain...
TheSydguy30 -the m7rr is the best all-around tire I know of imho,,,, they should let me test the next batch LOL
TheSydguy30 I'm riding Pirelli supercorsa spv2 right now but have a metzler m7RR on my second spare rear wheel for everyday riding and I'll tell ya it hooks up so well that I have left it on for more than one of my Sunday group rides just to see if you can run full pace with it. And yes it's amazing. You won't need anymore for the street in my opinion. And I do wear the edges of my tires off while still having plenty in the center so definitely using it to its max potential for sure. I absolutely love the tires. As for the front a stick with a supercorsa being I love the profile and you never know when you can make a mistake and go in way too hard and have to throw it in anyway praying for the best. I'd say my front supercorsa has saved me more than once.
Yeah, and the M5 is on close out at most stores. They need to update this test, been 2 years.
Is the warm up time really so long in BT016 PRO?
It is a couple times more than M5. Is this real?
I have no problems riding Shinkos in the Appalachian Mountains. But the Appalachian Mountains aren't a track so I'm not trying to put a knee down.
funny thing when i got my bike, it came with cheap $45 shinko front tire. 120 70 17, i was like no way this one cant handles fast corner. i wasnt totally wrong, 1st its like over 3 years old, cracking, but still have deep treads. so i slowly riding fast, it handles well, didnt lose traction, now the side wall almost no treads, but center still looks new. none the less if i get a used bike again i would get q3 right away, for bike tire you dont want to wait and cheap out.
Now a group 3. Pirelli Angle GT vs Bridgestone BT-023 for longevity, feel and grip for twisties.
STR Rider - imho the angel gt is the worst tire I've ever owned
A test done RS10 vs Super Corsa? That's a better comparison.
I wish the Dunlop Q2's were in this. I would have like to know his opinion.
He loved the Q3's in the A group of tires, it came in 2nd to the Pirellis
www.motorcycle-usa.com/545/8295/Motorcycle-Article/Dunlop-Sportmax-Q2-Tire-Comparison-Review.aspx
Adam Waheed
Sport Rider gave the Q2 a high rating too. I have worn through a few sets of them and I may not be good enough to fully exploit them, but I can tell when I'm on a lesser tire now.
www.sportrider.com/sportbike-gear/2012-street-tire-test-absolutely-tired
Newsflash.
The Shenko tire might also be good, not if they change the whole design, as you seem to surmise (what could they know about making a motorcycle tire that you obviously seem to think that you know better... and yet....) , and if you yourself and your crew spent some time experimenting with air pressures and suspension settings and oh... maybe geometry? Think? Were you running Shenko’s recommendations on pressures or did you just give it a guess per your test explanation video?
So the Bridgestone is your personal favorite of the group. So why is it ranked third?
Maybe if you’d played with air pressures in the Shenko, instead of apparently not doing so, that one would have been your favorite.
It’s always funny when you encounter a rider who’s faster than yourself on tires you’ve personally professed to be crap!
I’d really specify.... that you’d be better to do a whole trackday on each of these tires. Have someone that knows a few things do adjustments so you can actually “get the best” from each tire set. Instead of the three blind men each describing the elephant, each from their limited perspective and the results being just what?
So you took issue with the Avon squirming around. Which the Bridgestone didn’t do, but you rated it higher and better than the Bridgestone? Maybe the Avon is giving you better feedback than the Bridgestone? You can feel what the tires doing vs the tires just rock solid till BOOM it lets go. Hmmm. You seem to not like the squirming, but you rate the Avon better than the Bridgestone.
The metzeler doesn’t have that soft feel. You liked it best but the steering seemed slower. But don’t play around with tire pressures or geometry to optimize it. Like “Oh!!! You mean geometry can affect how a bike and tire combination steers?”! This after he said that the tire feels tall! Maybe you need to raise the front forks 5-6 mm in the tripleclamps???
It looked like the lap times were all close but with the Shenko’s. I bet a little playing around with setup would have the Shenko lap times a WHOLE LOT closer to the rest.
Ha ha bloody ha ha.
No. All that scientific complication would be too much. And where is Michelin? Continental? Dunlop?
If you’d bought the tires for the test retail, you’d have all the tires on hand and be doing your audience a real favor! Or would you?? Seeing as your approach seems so radically flawed.....
I have run on a set of BT016 for 1632Kms (GSXR 750). Not bad, but not good as well. Just ride normally, it's OK, but sometimes I ride aggressively it scares me.
Was thinking of getting some of those, so you don't really agree with the review on that particular tyre? It seemed the best (all 8's) score wise for performance and dollar ratios, sucks to hear it scares you, I got Pilot Sport 2's on mine and I HATE them bad. It actually made me dislike riding so I'm looking for a tyre that doesn't feel like it is constantly going to crash in a corner or fall.
I used to use Michelin Pilot Sports all the time or Metzlers equiv and never had a problem before the 2 compound stuff.
TheSydguy30 Definitely not.Get a set of Perralli Diablo Rosso II instead.
+Libo Hou ..My Fz1 came with 016's as OEM. Since I was "new" to hard-edge Sport Standards, I didn't really know any difference in tires of that category. And since I was 'learning' that riding style -- after 30+ yrs of dirt bikes to 70's 'street-fighters' like Kaw 2-stroke Triples and KZ900 to V-Twin cruisers -- i realized, or at least assumed, that most 'handling issues' were more *rider error* than anything else. But on my first Track Day, I picked up a nail in my rr tire, and replaced it at the Track with a Q3. {016 still on front}
I felt IMMEDIATELY much more confidence in the Q3! It never slipped (that I could tell) even once! But the 016 slipped on me several times! Not enough for a crash, thankfully, but enough to SEE the tire marks. The next week, I put a Q3 on the front! And am now on my 3rd set!
Had them on my GSX-R 600. No complaints. Got 8457 miles on both tires, to be fair, probably put 150 miles to much on rear. Switched to a Sport Touring tire, Michellin Pilot Road 4.
What helmetyou use in this video? Like the hi viz one.
Anibal Diaz-Campos This is a Shoei X-Twelve lid with a custom paint job by the crew at Tagger Designs out of Lake Elsinore, California.
016 is great for cold road but shit in the wet
I believe the Pirelli Diablo Rosso II would fall in this category... why isn't it? I would love to know how it fall in this segment.
Giovanni Toledo Rosso II would be a good addition to this category however Pirelli didn't want to submit this tire. They submitted its Metzeler branded M5 Interact instead.
+Adam Waheed I did not know about the close connection of Pirelli and Metzler!
I have been VERY pleased with Metzler 880's on my cruiser...which I ride pretty hard in the mountains, in spite of the frame wobbles! (-;
I want to know why some of the tyres here got all 8's then an overall 8 yet some got a 6 and a 7 then overall 10 lol how the hell does that work?
It was the rider's preference over other tires. Not really the average of steering, grip, and stability. :)
TheSydguy30 Points were then assigned based on our long-time scoring system with 10 points for first, eight for second, seven for third, six for fourth, etc.
What about wear? That is a hugely important metric for me. I run the BT-016 on a Ducati MTS and only get 600 mi out the the rear. Do others perform but have a longer life?
They said they didn't have enough time for a full long term type test for every tire. They do however show the post test wear of each tire after each tire review.
Ya, i saw that. I just wanted them to know wear is an important metric for any street tire. They tend to cut corners to get a video out.
luv2mx Contrarily, I actually found this to be the most comprehensive tire review I've yet to see. And the focus of the comparison was parallel to the focus of the tires themselves as they are mainly geared toward performance and sporty riding rather than things like longevity and value (though some do it better than others). In any case not everybody has the time and resources to cover that amount of comprehensiveness, nor will it always find it worth the effort.
I'm not saying you're wrong or being unreasonable to request full wear review but I
I'm just trying to put into perspective the connotations of that amount of comprehensiveness in this case.
Ethanmeister thanks for the reply. I took away good info for performance data as well. Cheers.
600 miles?! Unless youre doing constant burnouts the tyre should last alot longer than that. Maybe youre running too low pressures. Or are those track miles? The BT-016 isn't an extreme Performance tyre, my friend has them on his CB1000R which similar power and torque like your MTS and he has 5k miles on them.
For the MTS i'd recommend you a sport-touring tyre, like a Pirelli Angel GT, great grip and lasts for 7-10k miles, im using them during Fall-Spring in Switzerland when it's cold and wet on my ZX6R 636.
wish there were more then just one rider :/
All i ride is the elephant
them shinko bullshitalots. Lol
Man, I can speak from personal experience, his testimonial on the shinko is dead on lol
that rider contradicted himself over every tyre he tested! typical septic!