Honestly as someone who has experienced ostracism because I am gay. All it does is push someone further from your side. It just validates the fact that you don't actually care about them as a human person.
That's the point. These people have to be right, because of their arrogance and egotism. Hurting you, shunning you, removing you from community is part of the process. I hope you can be strong.
@Oscar Benigsen "We care enough for you not to let you deceive yourself". What condescending arrogance! You can't even respect her experience. It's all about you.
@Oscar Benigsen "If she were to approach me, agreeing with God that her experience is sin, ...." Translation: "If she were to approach me aggreeing with ME that experience is sin, ...". You have no idea how arrogant and judgemental you are. No Idea, because that only thing entering your brain is the necessity to right and to make sure others know that they are wrong. Period.
@Oscar Benigsen There are now complete denominations of Christians who love and cherish gay people along with their marriages. Are you arrogant enough to declare that none of these people are "Christian"?
It's like suggesting seeing your friend being handed a poisonous drink the both of you know it's deadly but because her flesh wants it she drinks it and you being "kind" supported her. Is that how a friend should be?
Should we do the same to a couple who have been married before to other people, become divorced and then married each other? Are they not just as much adulterers and be treated similarly according to the verses focused on (romans 6)
well it depends. in the bible Paul said not to divorce if the other person is still willing to live with you. God doesn’t want us to divorce. but Paul said if they do then you can remain single or eventually reconcile with them. The bible also say widows can remarry so it depends if their past spouse died i guess
@@candace6893 most remarriages in the USA are not those situations. Most are people “grow apart” or aren’t happy so they get a divorce to eventually get remarried. If you take a conservative view on homosexuality, then it makes sense even more to take a conservative view on adultery, since it most likely affects you more and is far more prevalent.
Because we are all sinners, it would be hypocritical to ostracize a sinner for committing a sin, even if it is one of which you are personally not guilty. I would not cut ties with anyone for their lifestyle. That said, you shouldn't pretend an act you believe to be sinful is right. You can still be friends with somebody without pretending to approve of one mistake you perceive.
God loves you straight bi gay whatever I completely disagree with this if I knew you in real life I would not shun you for you being bi I hope God blesses you and make every dream come true and I want you to know God loves you I truly am sorry if any body who claims christan and has or will shun you as a christan it says we shall love our neighbor and nobody is without sin even the best christan
I wouldn’t stop being your friend. Jesus loves you sis and wouldn’t leave you. He just wants you to come and know Him and love Him, especially because He died for you and truly does love you
those people would not stand by you in harsh time if they shun you off because of your sexuality. also, you are being honest with them as a friend. they can't return the same friendship to you. bye, bye!
I love the phony baloney 'emotionally loving' tone he takes when he tells everybody else that you have to shun your gay friends. The sorrow of the break is not his. He's not accountable for any of the pain. He's just playing the bloody 'expert' telling everybody else what to do. Shameful.
Oscar Benigsen the problem with this is that everything revolves around the Christian, not the one suffering the sin. To just assume we know everything and don’t give any meaning to anyone’s feelings, and just push them away, John Piper says it works, I say it doesn’t . I have a few friends who have been “holy ostracized” and it’s not very holy. One almost committed suicide over it. She fell in love with an unbeliever and her “Christian “ parents kicked her out. That’s EVIL!
Oscar Benigsen oh you are very wrong. First off, you clearly show lack of importance to the feelings of the children, but sympathize with the parents. I refused to believe this because Jesus talks more about eating with the sinners than this one quote from scripture. Some children are hostile towards their parents, yes. But many aren’t. If your beliefs cause you to disown your own children, then I think it’s time to ditch those beliefs.
Oscar Benigsen No, no, no. You’re first assuming that we’re referring to children( younger than 18). Not only that, but you’re showing lack of importance to a childs emotions. If a parent is beating their child and abusing their child, just because the parent thinks they know best or that they pay the bills, does that mean they shouldn’t take their child’s feelings into consideration? I struggle with homosexuality, and I try not to be like the typical gay person and take automatic offense to everything, but I find this offensive to simply say children are “stupid”. Just to let you know, the suicidal feelings and thoughts are very much real, and the fear of “holy ostracism” only makes it worse. My dad was raised strict Christian. When I finally told him, he was much more accepting than I thought. However, I don’t expect him to condone homosexuality under his roof. But I do expect him to maintain a father son relationship with me and not cut ties. Because of the fear of rejection by my dads strict Christian side of the family, I am single, depressed, I have no love life, no quality of life. I’d be much happier if I could be free to believe what I believe without fear of being disowned. That’s all “holy ostracism” is. It’s a way of sugarcoating disowning someone. It’s basically saying “my beliefs are more important than yours so I’ll just disown you”. Parents have the right to let their children go, doesn’t mean that makes them a good parent. Before you ask, Yes, I am a Christian. I have fought homosexuality my whole 19 years on this world. I have tried to “pray the gay away”, nothing has happened. Would a merciful God send me to hell? Even though I fought 19 heard for Him? Fought 19 years to make my family happy? No! Because I have accepted Christ as my savior. The Bible said that whoever confesses with mouth that Jesus is Lord and believes God raised him from the dead will be saved! God knew we couldn’t keep the whole law, for by the law shall NO flesh be justified, for with the law comes knowledge of sin. We aren’t supposed to sin, so I try not to. I repent of the sins I know I can keep a promise not to do again. But my repentance doesn’t get me into heaven, my faith does! I am strong! because I guarantee you 95% of “Christians” that ostracize their children, or preach against homosexuality, most are straight, and don’t have this problem, yet they hold us to such a high standard and think that if we live the lord, we will remain lonely our whole lives. But loneliness destroys you.
Hmm ...I posted an item yesterday regarding this topic and today it appears to have disappeared. Are 'inconvenient' posts deleted or am I just going blind?
We want to be saved like you wanted to, we want to praise, worship him just like you did, we want to serve him as you do. We can't change what/who we are if we could choose we won't probably choose who we are right now because being gay is not easy in life. All we can feel is loneliness, rejection, suicidal, wanting to give up but barely keeping the beat, wishing not being born at all. All we want is love and to be loved as a human being we all do. If you hate a gay person, believe me, they don't want to be around either in fact they kinda wish they didn't exist or not being born, before you judge tell me this, do you have the choice to not being born? Ask your parents and they won't be able to give you the answer either. Now imagine you're a Christian and you had a gay child, all this is what they've been through every single day, your child cries inside every day when left alone, day by day he/she becomes weaker before you know your child shut him/herself away from you, away from the world,they didn't came out because they know they will lose you, why? Because you're a Christian. But you're not gay so you won't know what it felt like to be gay. So don't you dare judge them because you don't know what they've been through every second. Instead, help them. The bible says "For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved". This doesn't exclude a gay person. Here the main or keywords are heart, mouth, profess, faith, SAVED. I also believe, have faith in him, have a heart, mouth, I can profess, also know I can be SAVED.
Your not born gay if u think u gay from young den be single and read da bible and get a clear understanding dat bein gay is an choice it’s your not born gay if u think u gay be single cause god don’t condones it point blank I wanna be a preacher and as me wanting to be a preacher u can’t tell lies only da truth
If u ever been molested it’s not your fault break da chains of dat dust it off and move on and da person dat molested u tell him or she about da gospel show em wit Jesus said and pray they not still in there trespass
And Jesus said get da mote out of your eye 👁 first den u can tell your brother about his sins but if u have an mote in your eye 👁 u can’t judge but if u get da mote out of your eye u can judge
@@jaylonisreal1559 Your not born stupid and homophobic if u think ur homophobic from young aged be single and read da bible and get a clear understanding dat bein homophobic is an choice it’s your not born to hate if u think ur homophobic be single cause god don’t condones it point blank Iam a preacher and as me wanting to be a preacher u can’t tell lies only da truth
Um ...'holy ostracism' ...now I've heard everything! That said, if we're to avoid (ostracize) everyone we believe to be 'a sinner' then we're going to be awfully lonely ...
The Bible says those who live in willfully unrepentant sin and refuse to repent must be asked to leave the community, Paul says he has even handed over somebody to the devil, that he might realise his ruin and return and live in repentance . So John Piper is 💯 correct.
Peter, 2 Corinthians 6-14 states that Christians should not be yoked with unbelievers, if that was put into practice, a lot of the people in my church would have to get a divorce.
@@avengers2478 hi there thank you for your reply! Yes that is true we should not be yoked with unbelievers so the decision to marry an unbeliever would not be wise in and of itself however we do see Paul addressing this situation very clearly in his writings. He states that those wives who have unregenerate husband's should win them over by their conduct and visa versa. They are not to divorce them because they are unsaved unless on the grounds of adultery of course. Blessings brother.
Guys look out for your friends that you have closely because they could be planning to take you down so pls be carful and watch out for the people you hang out with 🙏🏽❤️
I had an atheist friend tell me we couldn't be friends anymore until I became enlightened like him. He said it broke his heart, too, and he hasn't spoken to me since.
Sad... John piper has crossed over to legalism...forgetting that the spirit of the law is more important than the actual law... Jesus broke one of the 10 commandments to prove this ... he healed a man on the sabbath and was attacked by the Pharisee...... very sad..... I’m gay and I’m struggling with it.... I also love Jesus more than anything ... but ostracizing me won’t help me.
Steven Taylor hmmm, let he without sin cast the first stone.... not your job as a man who claims to be Christian to doubt he is a child of God or not. You don’t know his heart, and you must love some good cherry pickin if you’re gonna ignore the “don’t judge” verse. You’re a sinner like the rest of us, sorry to break it to ya buddy. Get off your high horse. Jesus came to save the world, not condemn it. And he most DEFINITELY didn’t save the world so YOU could condemn it. Saying ignorant evil things like you just said is why gay people commit suicide every year. A true Christian isn’t a closed minded bastard. Show some compassion man. God knew we couldn’t keep the law so he sent a savior so that WHOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM HAVE ETERNAL LIFE! PERIOD! NO CONDITIONS! Remember, gluttony, lying, pride, gossip, JUDGING OTHERS, are all sins!
Steven Taylor well I believe that too, but he didn’t even say that he was happy in that sin. Show him love is all I’m saying. If he has turned to Christ, admitted he’s a sinner, and believes that Christ died for his sins and rose from the dead, he has been saved. Now does that mean he should live his life like that? According to God, no. But can someone live in sin and still be saved? I believe yes. Because there are so many sins in the Bible that most of us, even most believers, sin daily. We sin less after salvation but we’re not sinless.
As Christian’s we are no longer considered sinners but the righteousness of God in Christ. We now have hope to have freedom from sin through conviction and the Holy Spirit leading us to repentance. Go and sin no more
If you have to punish someone into being a Christian again (by hurting them by ostracising them) are they really Christian? If a sinner just won't stop his sin, and I inflit emotional pain on him until he does stop, that doesn't seem like "repentance" that would gladden the heart of God.
I think the point is… Are u really a Christian if the sin doesn’t bother you and your friends point it out. Your not struggling but living happily in it. There is a diifference
“Holy ostracism” is just a “kind” way of saying “ my beliefs are more important than you; even if you are my own child, my beliefs are more important than yours and your happiness, so I’ll disown you”. They try to say it in a nice way that doesn’t make them look like the monsters they really are.
Evan C I found a better word to exchange "belief": "My God is more important than you; even you are my own child..." That reminds me of the story of a lunatic named Abraham who was about to kill his own son, Isaac, because God said so. Strange, I thought God is love.... Unfortunately, Abraham didn't. God stopped him. Do you get the meaning of the story? I have wrestled to understand that story of why God do such thing to Abraham or even to Job despite they did nothing wrong. And do you know the answer? The answer is at the very last of the story: God came back to restore everything to its place. These types of stories DO NOT end like we think it will be. I struggled with these type of dilemma because I stopped at the middle of the story and started asking "Why, God?" "Why suffering?" Then, God reminded me of the ending of the story. It's all about our realtionship with God, and He has planned good things for us, so the argument "God is evil by letting this and that to happen", such argument doesn't fit with the Bible. You may omit my comment and I won't try to argue further, but please read the Bible, God's own Words for more Wisdom.
Ray M. K. No, I agree with you to an extent. I do read the Bible and I am a Christian. But some “Christians” are monsters. I don’t believe God is who many make him out to be. God is a god of love and mercy!
People need to understand that loving our brother doesn’t mean to be supportive with their sinful behavior, we all sin and God command us to repent, is a war against our sinful self for the rest of our lives. Christianity is not for everyone, we need to humble ourselves to Jesus feet and be born again.
I highly suggest you to look into Christianity more. Once you accept in your heart that Jesus actually walked this earth and died on the cross for our sins and realize that you have been living in sin and apologize (through prayer) you will be forgiven and you will literally be given a new heart with new desires. It’s like you’re in a court room and you have committed a serious crime and the judge gives you the death sentence and you say “ I don’t believe in lethal injection so I’m fine “ your opinion really doesn’t change reality. Philippians 2:11 says “all men will confess Jesus is lord” so really it’s better to do it now than on judgement day when it’s too late. I will pray for your eternal salvation because I would hate to see you in the lake of sulfur one day. I hope you really think about this. God Bless you and your family
@@jtmoney5725 I'm sorry but I'm one of those people who believe (*know, I'm stubborn) that the bible is a made up fairytale. You probably will also give up on me now that I'm telling you that I'm a gay girl... But still, I have this 'tradition' to say this and I don't particularly hate you so..... Have a sakura flower 🌸!
@@TaruOwO Im not here to convert you into a Christian, thats Gods job, and you may feel like someone has given up on you in the past but someone who will never give up on you is God. He has a plan for you. And like Corinthians 1:18 says "The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to those who are being saved it is the power of God" Anyways take care and thank you for that sakura flower
@@jtmoney5725 Its your judgement that homosexuality is a sin, two people in love is not a sin, God never said any such thing.. Where in the Bible does it say, two of the same sex in a loving and committed relationship are sinning? This is all gender based, male / female. What do you do with people born both sexes, intersex (AIS)? They were created by God, yet at birth, with your concept of the Bible, sin for the rest of their lives, no matter what they do. We know God does not create sin. This along proves your take on Cor, Rom, Tim is incorrect - homosexuality is not a sin.
I see a few problems with this approach: First it's not our problem when other people go down immoral or destructive paths. It's their problem. If somebody realizes what he's doing is bad and wants to get out, we should be the first to help. But they should be the ones taking initiative. You're massively underestimating what delusion does to people. Especially with sexual urges, this can push a person far beyond recognizing what is right and wrong. Especially considering same sex attraction there is also a huge propaganda in society to further blind these people. To ostracize someone for behaviour he didn't even recognizes is unhelpful. This approach will drive many people to bad places. There are tons of communities or ideologies that seem very attractive if you are on the path of sexual immorality. If we shut these people out, we will directly led them there, and make their situation even worse. So, patience is a virtue. Just wait until they themselves realize that this isn't the path they should pursue. If you always kindly and patiently waited, you will now be there to help. This is what true friendship does.
Read the Bible for yourself! You will see God calls us to repent of our sins and receive the lordship of His son Jesus Christ. The only ones making it confusing are people who are unrepentant and defiantly resistant toward the Word of God.
@@hangryturtle9006 are you serious? I know you commented on a different video something along the lines of you finding it so sad people feel sympathetic for people "trapped by satan in that sin like behavior" look why cant God forgive us, why if all sin is evil do evengelicals lie everyday, even the whitest lie is a sin but that's okay God will forgive you a million times but when it comes to being gay it's as if theres no hope for salvation
I'm confused about what's right and what's wrong and I'm in discomfort because of it. I'm reading these comments and watching these videos, and I don't know what's right. Help me.
Everyone questioning this please go back and listen to what he is saying before you criticize him, it’s not about turning your back on sinners it’s about separating yourself from people who make peace with their sin and through that God will convict them and bring them back to His ways.
It is literally turning your back on sinners. You can turn this any way you want: separate yourself from a person = turn your back on them. In real life, that person will just start hating you and drifting away from your way of thinking even more. It's logical, you ostracized them, you showed them no sign of love, on the contrary.
@Anonymous you're right. None of us will be perfect, however, what was meant by the rest of that verse is to repent. In other words, to have a change of heart and at least try to resist temptation and sin. Not make excuses for it.
What about a Christian who isnt homosexual but strongly affirms it after you've confronted them about it . They say those scriptures are outdated and they are not changing their mind and what's key is the gospel . Is that Christian even saved because the bible says woe to those who call evil good .
@@boc413 Holier than thou much... Jesus was in fellowship with sinners of the Jewish faith. I guess someone forgot to tell Jesus that a good dose of "Holy ostracism" was preferable than his loving ways.
This is so full of hatred. So much hatred towards the LGBT community for being who they honestly are, but “share the love of Christ”. The contradiction is positively overwhelming.
I hear you, however, It's not who they are, it's who they choose to be. Sharing the love of Christ doesn't mean I have to agree with one's lifestyle choices neither is disapproving homosexuality hatred.
@@Kaimalek3 going around telling people they're going to hell and that the person they are is wrong according to a 2000 year old book is hateful. It's certainly not loving.
@@Beccaurdobbedon I agree that condemning people to hell is wrong. I disagree that the bible is not just a 2000 year old book. It's the truth and the truth is that we all deserve eternal punishment because we broke God's law,no matter who you are. The good thing is that while we we're still sinners Christ died for us as an atonement for our sin. That's love
@@Beccaurdobbedon Perhaps we could further talk elsewhere, what's your other social media? Always keen to hear other people's opinions on Christianity and Religion. I'm a Christian myself and I'm sorry if you've experienced hurt and condemnation from other Christians.
well if your not christian none of that means anything, also the video guy's response was just to basically leave them which is shitty even if you think homosexuality is wrong (spoiler alert, it ain't at all)
@@monkeykingmo-ri777 I would actually say that's immoral because it is, from a secular perspective as well. Extra-marital/adulterous sex is the root cause of many issues in our society. This is the christian teaching, should it surprise you that I actually follow the teachings of my bible?
Im not a Christian, im not religious, I fallow god himself, i don’t listen to another sinner just because hes at a podium. I know this for a fact that we have a loving god and he expects us to love as well. You ostracizing someone isn’t going to bring them to faith, i dont care what made up story you have about how it worked for your friends sister. We need to love everyone regardless of their sins because we are all sinners, no sin is greater than another. We are all in the same boat and its up to us to be caring and understanding with our brothers and sisters, god made us all in his image, that includes the homosexuals, we need to treat them how we want to be treated and maybe the odds of them coming to Christ will come up. How are you going to bring someone closer to god shunning them for how they feel? The hatred from organized religion is what drives people away from god. I used to be a Christian and i just couldn’t sit in church every Sunday and listen to a sinner tell me his interpretation of what god wants. I have sense split into my own path and im letting god himself lead me. I have found a church with a preacher that is vary anti religion and extremely spiritual, i can feel god talking through his mouth and its incredible, but i dont go every Sunday. Sometimes i wake up and god tells me i need to go today because he’s speaking something you need to hear today, and i go and that’s exactly what happens every Time i go. Organized religion is a man made scam, god didn’t create it, sinners did.
Wait... so Jesus hung out with tax collectors, prostitutes (sinners) and had meaningful friendships with them. However, if we are friends with those kinda people we should distance ourselves from them (according to this pastor) Seems kinda contradictory?? Im pretty sure Jesus would rather us loving on people instead of removing them from our lives.
No . Face He’s speaking on behalf of verses in the Bible such as 1 Corinthians 5:9-13. This isn’t his original idea, it was Paul’s. Disagreeing with a pastor is one thing, however, disagreeing with an apostle of Christ is another. This is an extremely difficult passage for me, and I’m not sure how to go along with it.
Delve into this passage and seek further understanding. You can look into the Greek (original language written in for N.T.). I would try and present some of it here but I cannot right now, maybe soon I'll come back and share my findings but I encourage you both to do so. I think there's a few factors to consider when reading about Jesus being with sinners and Paul clearly saying to avoid "company" with them. One factor is that Jesus was "hanging out" with the lost who were supposed to be his. It's like going to prison to seek out your criminal children and seek to know them when most people would encourage not to be associated so much with criminals..... I know, poor analogy, but I'm trying. Anyway, God bless you and search the scriptures.
Jesus lead people to repent and be right with God. Paul also did the same thing. The rub is when someone claims to be repentant, but then keeps going back to sinning again. Back to their old ways. So it’s obvious there’s been no real heart change, it’s all just for show. And THAT’S when you no longer have fellowship with this person to show them “this is not a game.”
@@hangryturtle9006 spot on.. Jesus hung out with them offering them a life of repentance. And in the end 'the crowd' which represented those type of sinners sent him to death.
Ya some Christians contradict themselves so bad. They are like oh we need to be like Jesus. Ok well Jesus didn’t shun sinners, he helped them and loved them. And they say our job is to bring more people to god but they also shun anyone who commits a sin they ( a human sinner) deems worse than any of their laundry list of sins. Like no thats not bringing anyone to god like that, that drives them away. If you want to fill the seats in churches again we need to learn to love and accept people for who they are.
How should you respond to a christian friend who's in a homosexual relationship? Ans: just like you would respond to any other friend who's in any kind of a relationship.
I understand what John Piper is saying, in terms of biblical church discipline, read 1 Corinthians 5. For a person in your church to profess they are Christian but lives contrary to Christ, this is what is ought to be done. The process sounds very unpleasant, but John Piper is right, it is not meant as a hateful act but one of love, for the person, for the congregation too. In the hopes that they may truly repent from their sins.
Let them be! Their relationship is between them and god! I’m not a Christian but I know what it’s like to live as one.. I don’t personally like it due to this reason with lgbt members being hated on or treated differently just because they sin in another way.. we allow people like Kenneth Copeland to harm and scam others but when it comes to lgbt NO no that’s bad And I understand your perspective but try and imagine ours.. try living a week wanting the same gender or being the opposite sex and see if you believe it’s a choice! I can tell you for the past 10 years I’ve been trying to live as a bisexual women but all of the times I wanted a girlfriend! Im 18 now and just like when I was 7 I am very embraceful about mine and others and what they identify as.. I don’t like religion because how they say their god is all powerful, why did he create the flood? That he’s all loving, why did those things happen to me as a kid and a teenager if god loved me? Why doesn’t help those people who are literally giving their money to people like Kenneth Copeland and dying slowly!!
@@vshah1010 turns out I am a Christian but I agree and I don’t know if it’s just the fact I can’t accept myself as anything else religious wise or if it’s just because I feel bad for not reading my Bible that I spent like 14 bucks on
@@henrymudgett2646 no they are NOT Christian, you can NOT be a christian homophobe, thats like saying u can be a vegan meat eater, they are religious people pretending to be christian.
Key words here that a lot of the comments are missing. Professing brother :one claiming to be a follower of Christ. and living in sin :it's not just someone who sins, we all do that. Its practiced sin. Its habitual. no longer fighting to do what's right. Desiring your sin more than obeying God and acting on it.
Rotten, rotten, rotten. I have been on the receiving end of this persons advice from my family. Note he says the crushing rejection of their family and friends is what turns people "back from their sin"...not God. So much damage being done here.
@@ddrse Got any more gobblygook for us? For cripe's sake, just let people be true to their nature. Accept them for who they are instead of blathering about archaic theology, go learn something about human biology or human psychology.
@@davidcoxinparis You have a millstone around your neck you should forgive yourself then you can be forgiven. You guys are fortune tellers not Christians. You use the Bible as your crystal ball. Some people enjoy chastisement and some people worship the character more than the Creator they're called idolaters! someone that is both in the name of God is a sodomite. It doesn't matter if they're shouting we wish to know them or crucify him it's the spirit of a suppressed idolator. The worst thing men can do with each other is conspire to crucify. Every day you pick up your cross and crucify yourself to the law like a dog that return to its vomit. The mob shouting crucify are they your brothers and sisters? I find no fault with you but if you wish to crucify yourself then you have rebuilt what Paul has destroyed, that is your own punishment you will receive the recompense for the error which was Meet. You do not crucify yourself so that you may be saved. You do not tempt the Lord your God. You are a Ouija board reader who picked up the Bible.
Christopher, I'm so sorry for your crummy experience. I hope you have found a safe place away from all this judgmental horseshit. I hope you can find peace.
Dan Saber That comment was nothing but hatred and false accusations. It’s the goodness of God that brings man to repentance, and nothing about being ostracized is good. Maybe you are the one that needs to give the Bible a read.
Ever watch one of those zombie movies where one character gets bit on the hand? And of course they have to cut off the hand, right… or else his whole body would be infected. You don’t cut the hand off for the hand’s sake. So when we approach people with certain sins, yes we should be gentle, but it is not necessarily only for his best interest but for the health and purity of the body.
So you need to withhold the fellowship with your children if it's the case? I think more Individual discernment and prayer is more useful, not cutting off the fellowship
So are you saying that people can't be gay? If so, what about 2 Corinthians 6-14-17, where it says that you shouldn't marry non Christians. If that was acted on, most of the people in my church would have to get a divorce. I became a Christian after I got divorced. Will God turn me away? Will He turn me away because I support gay rights? There is a single mother in my church. Is God going to turn her away because she had sex and isn't married? What about slavery? The Bible says that slaves should be obedient to their masters, but, thankfully, slavery is now outlawed.
Repent of what? Standing up for gay people's rights? Being gay? Which is not always a choice for gay people. The lady at church, with her wonderful son. What should she repent of? The people who are married to non Christians, what do they need to repent of?
I don't think this man knows what being a Christian is. The Bible says that all sins are equal in the eyes of the Lord. So that one time you ate more than you needed, you committed a sin. You engaged in gluttony and greed, so unfortunately according to your method, you should be cut off from the church. Your Christian friends can no longer associate with you because clearly you believe that God is measuring the 'magnitude" of the offense of you sin. Sorry dude. I guess Christians only seek "justice" now and forget about the love and mercy part. Matthew 7:1-5 1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. What you should do is continue to love them, as God wants. Then being able to genuinely feel your love for them may give them the clear head they need to make things right with God. You deciding that they need to be exiled will make them debate whether they want to continue their walk with God. Why would anyone want to be a part of the Christian community when the members places themselves above other individuals based off of which sins they have deemed to be just too sinful. Literally just like "oh yah I sin, but my sin is not nearly as bad as your sin. Since your sin is worse, that means that I'm better than you and should continue to live my sinful human life, free of judgment from others. Oh and also you deserve to be exiled by all the members of the church, but I don't because I'd never commit THAT sin." So many LGBTQ people that have grown up in church leave their faith because of treatment like this. How about you shine your light for Jesus and show them nothing but love and kindness, the way you were commanded to do. Maybe that will make them feel like God still loves them instead of hates them. Thinking that God hates them is the reason they run away from Him and its all because of people who claim to be Christians; not because of God. Jesus Christ would never encourage His followers to "ostracize" ANYONE, so please don't walk around telling people this is right while simultaneously claiming to live a life for Christ. It's misleading to those who are unsaved and its literally embarrassing to have people thinking that this is what Christians are commanded to do.
Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will. enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who. does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Commandments Of God I am the Lord your God. You shall not have strange gods before me. You shall not make idols. You shall not make to thyself any graven thing; nor the likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. You shall not adore them nor serve them. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day. Honor your father and your mother. You shall not kill. You shall not commit adultery.(Example: sexual intercourse with members of the opposite sex)👈 You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife. You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.
God gives the church the authority and the command to disfellowship a member who sins intentionally and habitually or is a danger to the congregation (Matthew 18:17; Romans 16:17-18; I Corinthians 5:1-5, 9-13; II Thessalonians 3:6, 14; Titus 3:10-11)
Thank you for making it abundantly clear that you are so not speaking in the Holy Spirit. If love isn’t your answer you haven’t understood anything. Your advice is disgusting in so many ways but it helped a lot to open my eyes in this matter. So thanks, I guess.
Killing is a sin but if u kill someone to defend yourself and your family God doesn’t have a problem wit that king David killed Goliath cause Goliath kept bullying the Israelites if a person keep messing with u and your not messing with him are u wrong for killing him I don’t think so
You seem to forget the part where people who actively and deliberately live in their sin to mark them and cast them away, turn away from them. Come to church if you seek to be reborn and your heart changed not to flaunt your sin and want people to except it that's not how it works and you disrespect God in his house
I have always wondered about this. In this situation it was about adulatory. I do agree because it does affect your relationship with God and your relationship with your spouses. God bless. I’m sure you get a lot of persecution but the Bible says we will have that. Stay strong. 🙏
@Holy Crusader Why does your profile appear to be that of a neo-Nazi? Are you a knuckle-dragging, uniformed, ignorant ass-wipe neo-Nazi? You look and sound like one, but perhaps it is just a false impression.
God also said that everyone should be treated equally what happened to that I believe that you're the sinner I do not believe in God personally I believe anyone could think what they want as long as it doesn't hurt someone else
And also. Did you that Christianity was founded in Palestine? Why arnt we talking about the Jewish Violence of Gaza? Talk about saving God’s people. Why are we focus on these “sinners” who we are no better than?
Beware of false prophets and do what God says to you trough your hearts. Isn't the one, true law of Christianity to love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and to love others just as you love yourself? I am not Protestant, but I just want to quote Luke 42. "How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
I’m a queer Christian. I haven’t attended church in the past few years and this type of mentality is a big part of the reason why. Please don’t try this. You’ll either end up with someone turning away from the faith or you’ll have a lap dog saying and doing all the right things; not to embrace love of Jesus, but because the alternative is loosing their loved ones and getting tortured for eternity
@@hellofrominside8524 i know it’s probably hard for you to hear this & you’ve probably heard this time & time again but i ask you listen once more, the bible says if you love me you will follow my commandments. the thing about being a Christian is that you must constantly refuse yourself & the pleasures of your flesh. As Christians we must take up our cross daily we cannot say we are apart of the Christian community & continue living in sin. i say this with all love my dearest. you say you’ve been praying for God to make you straight but maybe change your prayer a little start telling Him to renew your mind completely. to look at life through heavens eyes & pray that you & him grow closer so that he may convict you. To add onto that read his word daily i promise you reading His word is life changing. His words will comfort & convict you like no other. my prayers go out to you friend, keep fighting the battle
If you're all about God's love and doesn't know His wrath, you're missing the point of the cross, you miss how Jesus rebuked Peter a lot of times not because Jesus hates him but because He dearly loves Peter and so should we, if you can't accept the truth because of pride then you cannot accept Christ because Jesus is The Way The TRUTH and the Life no one comes to the Father except through Him. repent brothers and sisters, read the Bible for yourself
1. Why are you still following the rules of a book written by men centuries ago? 2. As said in the bible, if anything exists, it is God's will. If God had a "way", he would not have created love between two people from the same gender. The Bible states clearly that everything we do is made possible by the power of God, who created us. Plus, if God made us from his image, wouldn't he be bisexual too? If God is beyond our comprehension but also only love for every human, wouldn't he be both heterosexual, homosexual, transgender and all? 3. God is love? Then why would you spread His words saying some people can't love each other? Religions are based on the accomplishment of happiness in one life to move to the afterlife. Why would you, based on the precepts of a hierarchy, spread hate in our world...?
Its your judgement that homosexuality is a sin, two people in love is not a sin, God never said any such thing.. Where in the Bible does it say, two of the same sex in a loving and committed relationship are sinning? This is all gender based, male / female. What do you do with people born both sexes, intersex (AIS)? They were created by God, yet at birth, with your concept of the Bible, sin for the rest of their lives, no matter what they do. We know God does not create sin. This along proves your take on Cor, Rom, Tim is incorrect - homosexuality is not a sin.
I am a Christian and I teach our youth on Sunday school. What a terrible, unloving response sir! Jesus walked, ate and sat with sinners too. I suppose you are too righteous to be considered a sinner...tsk tsk. I would not commend such teaching.
A. Banana Salvation isn’t based off of who we do and don’t associate with. Salvation is on the basis of faith. Not obedience. And yes, it is still basically disowning someone to cut them out of your life based on your own beliefs and giving no importance to theirs.
Evan C Jesus don’t want u to keep sinning dats why he told the prostitute be free and don’t sin no more so therefore he’s tellin her that for a reason basically he’s sayin u can’t be a prostitute and still say u love god everybody loves god but don’t wanna sacrifice for him u can’t have your cake and eat it too people wanna be gay but it clearly says in da bible man on man should die so all I’m sayin if u gay u can always repent from dat but after u repent from it don’t do it no more dats for any sin and every sin
Revelation 21: 8. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." :) Isaiah 6: 9. He said, "Go and tell this people: "'Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.'
Just because this presenter is talking about hard subjects, doesnt mean he does not have love in his heart. The fact he would dedicate time and effort to bring Gods word to a sinner, to try to help them, is a sign of love. I would have been blessed to have that kind of rebuke from my brothers and sisters when i faced homosexual sin. Thank you for your ministry, God bless you
Um, im sorry but i dont think this is love. Love is when you care and have faith in this person. He does not have faith or love in gays. He wants to cure them. There is nothing to cure here.
Krisan Cockburn you are so blind though to everything that is sin. Some sins are more favored than others by man, but not by God. Gluttony, lying, pride, gossip, slander, stealing, gambling, unforgiving heart, anger, jealousy, vengefulness, lust, addiction, drunkedness, laziness, anxiety, worrying, divorce, sex before marriage , ALL OF THESE ARE SINS! So I think we as Christians who commit a lot of these sins DAILY need to stop being hypocrites and pointing out certain sins, but failing to address the many others. Many don’t address gluttony because they love food too much. Many don’t address laziness because we all like to sleep in, or watch tv, but between a glutton and a homosexual, there’s no difference.
That’s like saying “Do you love God, or do you love your wife?, it has to be one or the other.” When you’re gay, your perspective changes and you realize that love is love and God does not make someone a certain way and then throw them into hell for it. God says it’s not good for man to be lonely. Yea, that’s why he made a woman, but unfortunately we’re not all wired to like women. So no love for us I guess?
Where is Jesus in this man's reply??? When the Bible becomes "grounds" to persecute people that Jesus would reach out to, that church is false and bereft of any validity whatsoever. To continue persecuting gay people, one knows that this is a church of the middle-aged and old: the church of the fearful! Young people refuse to "darken the door" of present-day churches once they leave the family nest. The "gospel of fear" does not apply to present-day young people because they are intelligent and refuse to be fearful about God unlike their parents!
Honestly as someone who has experienced ostracism because I am gay. All it does is push someone further from your side. It just validates the fact that you don't actually care about them as a human person.
That's the point. These people have to be right, because of their arrogance and egotism. Hurting you, shunning you, removing you from community is part of the process. I hope you can be strong.
@Oscar Benigsen "We care enough for you not to let you deceive yourself". What condescending arrogance! You can't even respect her experience. It's all about you.
@Oscar Benigsen "If she were to approach me, agreeing with God that her experience is sin, ...." Translation: "If she were to approach me aggreeing with ME that experience is sin, ...". You have no idea how arrogant and judgemental you are. No Idea, because that only thing entering your brain
is the necessity to right and to make sure others know that they are wrong. Period.
@Oscar Benigsen There are now complete denominations of Christians who love and cherish gay people along with their marriages. Are you arrogant enough to declare that none of these people are "Christian"?
@Oscar Benigsen Worship your 'doctrine' all you want. I prefer people who follow Christ.
I don’t think ostracism is the right word. Criticising someone doesn’t make them feel loved. Just be their friend and treat them with kindness.
It's like suggesting seeing your friend being handed a poisonous drink the both of you know it's deadly but because her flesh wants it she drinks it and you being "kind" supported her. Is that how a friend should be?
Should we do the same to a couple who have been married before to other people, become divorced and then married each other? Are they not just as much adulterers and be treated similarly according to the verses focused on (romans 6)
well it depends. in the bible Paul said not to divorce if the other person is still willing to live with you. God doesn’t want us to divorce. but Paul said if they do then you can remain single or eventually reconcile with them. The bible also say widows can remarry so it depends if their past spouse died i guess
@@candace6893 most remarriages in the USA are not those situations. Most are people “grow apart” or aren’t happy so they get a divorce to eventually get remarried. If you take a conservative view on homosexuality, then it makes sense even more to take a conservative view on adultery, since it most likely affects you more and is far more prevalent.
all divorcee are not welcomed 😂😂
@Ravetastic. I was joking.... you didn't get it.
@Ravetastic. 😁
Because we are all sinners, it would be hypocritical to ostracize a sinner for committing a sin, even if it is one of which you are personally not guilty. I would not cut ties with anyone for their lifestyle. That said, you shouldn't pretend an act you believe to be sinful is right. You can still be friends with somebody without pretending to approve of one mistake you perceive.
If anyone ever says cause I’m bi “sorry our friendship is going to have to break” cause of that. Bruhhhh. I’d be like “ok. Cool no problem”
God loves you straight bi gay whatever I completely disagree with this if I knew you in real life I would not shun you for you being bi I hope God blesses you and make every dream come true and I want you to know God loves you I truly am sorry if any body who claims christan and has or will shun you as a christan it says we shall love our neighbor and nobody is without sin even the best christan
I wouldn’t stop being your friend. Jesus loves you sis and wouldn’t leave you. He just wants you to come and know Him and love Him, especially because He died for you and truly does love you
I’m sorry you went through that. I promise that we true Christians are not like that. There are a lot of fake ones.
those people would not stand by you in harsh time if they shun you off because of your sexuality. also, you are being honest with them as a friend. they can't return the same friendship to you. bye, bye!
That’s truly sad and means you don’t value the fact you say your a Christian
I love the phony baloney 'emotionally loving' tone he takes when he tells everybody else that you have to shun your gay friends. The sorrow of the break is not his. He's not accountable for any of the pain. He's just playing the bloody 'expert' telling everybody else what to do. Shameful.
True. It’s all privileged straight people who have it good.
Oscar Benigsen the problem with this is that everything revolves around the Christian, not the one suffering the sin. To just assume we know everything and don’t give any meaning to anyone’s feelings, and just push them away, John Piper says it works, I say it doesn’t . I have a few friends who have been “holy ostracized” and it’s not very holy. One almost committed suicide over it. She fell in love with an unbeliever and her “Christian “ parents kicked her out. That’s EVIL!
Oscar Benigsen oh you are very wrong. First off, you clearly show lack of importance to the feelings of the children, but sympathize with the parents. I refused to believe this because Jesus talks more about eating with the sinners than this one quote from scripture. Some children are hostile towards their parents, yes. But many aren’t. If your beliefs cause you to disown your own children, then I think it’s time to ditch those beliefs.
Oscar Benigsen No, no, no. You’re first assuming that we’re referring to children( younger than 18). Not only that, but you’re showing lack of importance to a childs emotions. If a parent is beating their child and abusing their child, just because the parent thinks they know best or that they pay the bills, does that mean they shouldn’t take their child’s feelings into consideration? I struggle with homosexuality, and I try not to be like the typical gay person and take automatic offense to everything, but I find this offensive to simply say children are “stupid”. Just to let you know, the suicidal feelings and thoughts are very much real, and the fear of “holy ostracism” only makes it worse. My dad was raised strict Christian. When I finally told him, he was much more accepting than I thought. However, I don’t expect him to condone homosexuality under his roof. But I do expect him to maintain a father son relationship with me and not cut ties. Because of the fear of rejection by my dads strict Christian side of the family, I am single, depressed, I have no love life, no quality of life. I’d be much happier if I could be free to believe what I believe without fear of being disowned. That’s all “holy ostracism” is. It’s a way of sugarcoating disowning someone. It’s basically saying “my beliefs are more important than yours so I’ll just disown you”. Parents have the right to let their children go, doesn’t mean that makes them a good parent. Before you ask, Yes, I am a Christian. I have fought homosexuality my whole 19 years on this world. I have tried to “pray the gay away”, nothing has happened. Would a merciful God send me to hell? Even though I fought 19 heard for Him? Fought 19 years to make my family happy? No! Because I have accepted Christ as my savior. The Bible said that whoever confesses with mouth that Jesus is Lord and believes God raised him from the dead will be saved! God knew we couldn’t keep the whole law, for by the law shall NO flesh be justified, for with the law comes knowledge of sin. We aren’t supposed to sin, so I try not to. I repent of the sins I know I can keep a promise not to do again. But my repentance doesn’t get me into heaven, my faith does! I am strong! because I guarantee you 95% of “Christians” that ostracize their children, or preach against homosexuality, most are straight, and don’t have this problem, yet they hold us to such a high standard and think that if we live the lord, we will remain lonely our whole lives. But loneliness destroys you.
@@evanc3160 Good reply, - not that Oscar is even capable of 'hearing' it, he's so full of himself and his smugness about being right.
Hmm ...I posted an item yesterday regarding this topic and today it appears to have disappeared. Are 'inconvenient' posts deleted or am I just going blind?
We want to be saved like you wanted to, we want to praise, worship him just like you did, we want to serve him as you do.
We can't change what/who we are if we could choose we won't probably choose who we are right now because being gay is not easy in life. All we can feel is loneliness, rejection, suicidal, wanting to give up but barely keeping the beat, wishing not being born at all. All we want is love and to be loved as a human being we all do. If you hate a gay person, believe me, they don't want to be around either in fact they kinda wish they didn't exist or not being born, before you judge tell me this, do you have the choice to not being born? Ask your parents and they won't be able to give you the answer either. Now imagine you're a Christian and you had a gay child, all this is what they've been through every single day, your child cries inside every day when left alone, day by day he/she becomes weaker before you know your child shut him/herself away from you, away from the world,they didn't came out because they know they will lose you, why? Because you're a Christian.
But you're not gay so you won't know what it felt like to be gay. So don't you dare judge them because you don't know what they've been through every second. Instead, help them.
The bible says
"For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved". This doesn't exclude a gay person.
Here the main or keywords are heart, mouth, profess, faith, SAVED.
I also believe, have faith in him, have a heart, mouth, I can profess, also know I can be SAVED.
Holy Crusader there we go! Finally one good Christian comment!
Your not born gay if u think u gay from young den be single and read da bible and get a clear understanding dat bein gay is an choice it’s your not born gay if u think u gay be single cause god don’t condones it point blank I wanna be a preacher and as me wanting to be a preacher u can’t tell lies only da truth
If u ever been molested it’s not your fault break da chains of dat dust it off and move on and da person dat molested u tell him or she about da gospel show em wit Jesus said and pray they not still in there trespass
And Jesus said get da mote out of your eye 👁 first den u can tell your brother about his sins but if u have an mote in your eye 👁 u can’t judge but if u get da mote out of your eye u can judge
@@jaylonisreal1559 Your not born stupid and homophobic if u think ur homophobic from young aged be single and read da bible and get a clear understanding dat bein homophobic is an choice it’s your not born to hate if u think ur homophobic be single cause god don’t condones it point blank Iam a preacher and as me wanting to be a preacher u can’t tell lies only da truth
Um ...'holy ostracism' ...now I've heard everything! That said, if we're to avoid (ostracize) everyone we believe to be 'a sinner' then we're going to be awfully lonely ...
Speaking as a Christian, I agree.
The Bible says those who live in willfully unrepentant sin and refuse to repent must be asked to leave the community, Paul says he has even handed over somebody to the devil, that he might realise his ruin and return and live in repentance . So John Piper is 💯 correct.
Peter, 2 Corinthians 6-14 states that Christians should not be yoked with unbelievers, if that was put into practice, a lot of the people in my church would have to get a divorce.
@@avengers2478 hi there thank you for your reply! Yes that is true we should not be yoked with unbelievers so the decision to marry an unbeliever would not be wise in and of itself however we do see Paul addressing this situation very clearly in his writings. He states that those wives who have unregenerate husband's should win them over by their conduct and visa versa. They are not to divorce them because they are unsaved unless on the grounds of adultery of course. Blessings brother.
I think you have missed my point. I think there is nothing wrong with being gay.
Guys look out for your friends that you have closely because they could be planning to take you down so pls be carful and watch out for the people you hang out with 🙏🏽❤️
Wait, do you mean LGBTQ+ People when you say people want to take you down?
@@suppersdinner119 no it’s for everyone not aimed at the lgbtq
@@sanzz1of1 why do you think everyone wants to take you down?
@@suppersdinner119 he’s not saying everybody he means some
True, satan is constantly looking for ways to bring us down
I had an atheist friend tell me we couldn't be friends anymore until I became enlightened like him. He said it broke his heart, too, and he hasn't spoken to me since.
Sad... John piper has crossed over to legalism...forgetting that the spirit of the law is more important than the actual law... Jesus broke one of the 10 commandments to prove this ... he healed a man on the sabbath and was attacked by the Pharisee...... very sad..... I’m gay and I’m struggling with it.... I also love Jesus more than anything ... but ostracizing me won’t help me.
Love yourself my dude, it's the best thing you can do for yourself. You CAN be a gay christian who is faithful to Jesus
Steven Taylor hmmm, let he without sin cast the first stone.... not your job as a man who claims to be Christian to doubt he is a child of God or not. You don’t know his heart, and you must love some good cherry pickin if you’re gonna ignore the “don’t judge” verse. You’re a sinner like the rest of us, sorry to break it to ya buddy. Get off your high horse. Jesus came to save the world, not condemn it. And he most DEFINITELY didn’t save the world so YOU could condemn it. Saying ignorant evil things like you just said is why gay people commit suicide every year. A true Christian isn’t a closed minded bastard. Show some compassion man. God knew we couldn’t keep the law so he sent a savior so that WHOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM HAVE ETERNAL LIFE! PERIOD! NO CONDITIONS! Remember, gluttony, lying, pride, gossip, JUDGING OTHERS, are all sins!
Steven Taylor not once did he say he had no remorse or conviction. Stop assuming things. You’re just looking for someone to judge
Evan C I'm not judging I'm just saying that a child of God won't be happy living in sin. They will want to repent
Steven Taylor well I believe that too, but he didn’t even say that he was happy in that sin. Show him love is all I’m saying. If he has turned to Christ, admitted he’s a sinner, and believes that Christ died for his sins and rose from the dead, he has been saved. Now does that mean he should live his life like that? According to God, no. But can someone live in sin and still be saved? I believe yes. Because there are so many sins in the Bible that most of us, even most believers, sin daily. We sin less after salvation but we’re not sinless.
Nothing like emotional abuse and manipulation because you don’t agree with someone perfectly ok thing to do here
Would you tell me who isn’t a sinner?
I meant Jesus isn’t a sinner and He loves you
We are all sinners. Don't shun people but don't support their sin.
God of the bible sinned. God murdered people and murder is a sin.
As Christian’s we are no longer considered sinners but the righteousness of God in Christ. We now have hope to have freedom from sin through conviction and the Holy Spirit leading us to repentance. Go and sin no more
If you have to punish someone into being a Christian again (by hurting them by ostracising them) are they really Christian? If a sinner just won't stop his sin, and I inflit emotional pain on him until he does stop, that doesn't seem like "repentance" that would gladden the heart of God.
I think the point is… Are u really a Christian if the sin doesn’t bother you and your friends point it out. Your not struggling but living happily in it. There is a diifference
@@ladyj5682I agree with your point.
@@valblock2797 Why are things getting so far out?
@@ladyj5682 the Bible told us this would happen. People would no longer tolerate sound doctrine, but will want their ears to be tickled.
“Holy ostracism” is just a “kind” way of saying “ my beliefs are more important than you; even if you are my own child, my beliefs are more important than yours and your happiness, so I’ll disown you”. They try to say it in a nice way that doesn’t make them look like the monsters they really are.
Evan C I found a better word to exchange "belief": "My God is more important than you; even you are my own child..."
That reminds me of the story of a lunatic named Abraham who was about to kill his own son, Isaac, because God said so. Strange, I thought God is love....
Unfortunately, Abraham didn't. God stopped him. Do you get the meaning of the story? I have wrestled to understand that story of why God do such thing to Abraham or even to Job despite they did nothing wrong. And do you know the answer? The answer is at the very last of the story: God came back to restore everything to its place. These types of stories DO NOT end like we think it will be. I struggled with these type of dilemma because I stopped at the middle of the story and started asking "Why, God?" "Why suffering?"
Then, God reminded me of the ending of the story. It's all about our realtionship with God, and He has planned good things for us, so the argument "God is evil by letting this and that to happen", such argument doesn't fit with the Bible.
You may omit my comment and I won't try to argue further, but please read the Bible, God's own Words for more Wisdom.
Ray M. K. No, I agree with you to an extent. I do read the Bible and I am a Christian. But some “Christians” are monsters. I don’t believe God is who many make him out to be. God is a god of love and mercy!
Evan C Well said.
dgbx6 thank you!
Just read God's word. It's the way God said to do it. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
I had a question on how to handle just such a situation happening in my life. Thank you. 🙏
Me too. I have 2 wonderful gay male friends. They are absolutely awesome and churchgoers.
@@MissCandy350 Huh?
People need to understand that loving our brother doesn’t mean to be supportive with their sinful behavior, we all sin and God command us to repent, is a war against our sinful self for the rest of our lives. Christianity is not for everyone, we need to humble ourselves to Jesus feet and be born again.
Exactly you can accept and not support we just have to pray for them.
What if I'm not even a christian?
I highly suggest you to look into Christianity more. Once you accept in your heart that Jesus actually walked this earth and died on the cross for our sins and realize that you have been living in sin and apologize (through prayer) you will be forgiven and you will literally be given a new heart with new desires. It’s like you’re in a court room and you have committed a serious crime and the judge gives you the death sentence and you say “ I don’t believe in lethal injection so I’m fine “ your opinion really doesn’t change reality. Philippians 2:11 says “all men will confess Jesus is lord” so really it’s better to do it now than on judgement day when it’s too late. I will pray for your eternal salvation because I would hate to see you in the lake of sulfur one day. I hope you really think about this. God Bless you and your family
@@jtmoney5725 I'm sorry but I'm one of those people who believe (*know, I'm stubborn) that the bible is a made up fairytale.
You probably will also give up on me now that I'm telling you that I'm a gay girl...
But still, I have this 'tradition' to say this and I don't particularly hate you so..... Have a sakura flower 🌸!
@@TaruOwO Im not here to convert you into a Christian, thats Gods job, and you may feel like someone has given up on you in the past but someone who will never give up on you is God. He has a plan for you. And like Corinthians 1:18 says "The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to those who are being saved it is the power of God" Anyways take care and thank you for that sakura flower
@@jtmoney5725 farewell! ^.^
@@jtmoney5725 Its your judgement that homosexuality is a sin, two people in love is not a sin, God never said any such thing.. Where in the Bible does it say, two of the same sex in a loving and committed relationship are sinning?
This is all gender based, male / female. What do you do with people born both sexes, intersex (AIS)? They were created by God, yet at birth, with your concept of the Bible, sin for the rest of their lives, no matter what they do. We know God does not create sin. This along proves your take on Cor, Rom, Tim is incorrect - homosexuality is not a sin.
At this point, breathing is a literally sin
Well it would seem that way when everything today is beaming us with temptation.
Read Romans 1
Sodomy is a sin; breathing isn’t.
Sin is separation from God. There is many things that separate us from the Lord.
I see a few problems with this approach:
First it's not our problem when other people go down immoral or destructive paths. It's their problem. If somebody realizes what he's doing is bad and wants to get out, we should be the first to help. But they should be the ones taking initiative.
You're massively underestimating what delusion does to people. Especially with sexual urges, this can push a person far beyond recognizing what is right and wrong. Especially considering same sex attraction there is also a huge propaganda in society to further blind these people. To ostracize someone for behaviour he didn't even recognizes is unhelpful.
This approach will drive many people to bad places. There are tons of communities or ideologies that seem very attractive if you are on the path of sexual immorality. If we shut these people out, we will directly led them there, and make their situation even worse.
So, patience is a virtue. Just wait until they themselves realize that this isn't the path they should pursue. If you always kindly and patiently waited, you will now be there to help. This is what true friendship does.
This is such a good take. Thank you!
I don’t even know what to do anymore because of how many information there is on the subject.
Lycinium _ Don’t listen to him... XD I almost fell into the trap of darkness again. Watch Kathy Baldock and the Reformation Project.
Lycinium _ Easy answer. Ask God to definitively show you His truth on homosexuality. Keep asking & He will, if you ask.
@@LVGirl4 I've been at that for a while, maybe I'm missing his signs, idk everytime I go asking pastors I get polar opposite answers.
Read the Bible for yourself! You will see God calls us to repent of our sins and receive the lordship of His son Jesus Christ.
The only ones making it confusing are people who are unrepentant and defiantly resistant toward the Word of God.
@@hangryturtle9006 are you serious? I know you commented on a different video something along the lines of you finding it so sad people feel sympathetic for people "trapped by satan in that sin like behavior" look why cant God forgive us, why if all sin is evil do evengelicals lie everyday, even the whitest lie is a sin but that's okay God will forgive you a million times but when it comes to being gay it's as if theres no hope for salvation
I'm confused about what's right and what's wrong and I'm in discomfort because of it. I'm reading these comments and watching these videos, and I don't know what's right. Help me.
In the book of John it says if you hate your brother abd say you love God you're a liar.
Everyone questioning this please go back and listen to what he is saying before you criticize him, it’s not about turning your back on sinners it’s about separating yourself from people who make peace with their sin and through that God will convict them and bring them back to His ways.
It is literally turning your back on sinners. You can turn this any way you want: separate yourself from a person = turn your back on them. In real life, that person will just start hating you and drifting away from your way of thinking even more. It's logical, you ostracized them, you showed them no sign of love, on the contrary.
He who is without sin, cast the first stone
It is supposed to have a convection on the person who is ostracized it was not a judgemental thing he said
Everyone always loves to quote that verse without quoting what comes after it "go forth and sin no more"
@@shogunc7718 something that none of us will or can do because we will sin to the day we die
@Anonymous you're right. None of us will be perfect, however, what was meant by the rest of that verse is to repent. In other words, to have a change of heart and at least try to resist temptation and sin. Not make excuses for it.
Your taking this out of context. There is a difference with struggle with sin and living in sin
What about a Christian who isnt homosexual but strongly affirms it after you've confronted them about it . They say those scriptures are outdated and they are not changing their mind and what's key is the gospel . Is that Christian even saved because the bible says woe to those who call evil good .
Personally, I wouldn't fellowship with them and I would doubt they are even a Christian.
@@boc413 Holier than thou much... Jesus was in fellowship with sinners of the Jewish faith. I guess someone forgot to tell Jesus that a good dose of "Holy ostracism" was preferable than his loving ways.
This is so full of hatred. So much hatred towards the LGBT community for being who they honestly are, but “share the love of Christ”. The contradiction is positively overwhelming.
Accept LGBT or not?!
I hear you, however, It's not who they are, it's who they choose to be. Sharing the love of Christ doesn't mean I have to agree with one's lifestyle choices neither is disapproving homosexuality hatred.
@@Kaimalek3 going around telling people they're going to hell and that the person they are is wrong according to a 2000 year old book is hateful. It's certainly not loving.
@@Beccaurdobbedon I agree that condemning people to hell is wrong. I disagree that the bible is not just a 2000 year old book. It's the truth and the truth is that we all deserve eternal punishment because we broke God's law,no matter who you are. The good thing is that while we we're still sinners Christ died for us as an atonement for our sin. That's love
@@Beccaurdobbedon Perhaps we could further talk elsewhere, what's your other social media? Always keen to hear other people's opinions on Christianity and Religion. I'm a Christian myself and I'm sorry if you've experienced hurt and condemnation from other Christians.
Keep it up, it's this kind of stuff that helps atheists like me win people over.
Keep them, they're clearly immoral and disgusting anyways.
well if your not christian none of that means anything, also the video guy's response was just to basically leave them which is shitty even if you think homosexuality is wrong (spoiler alert, it ain't at all)
Hey friend lets keep the discussion God-like. @Oscar Benigsen
@@anagramonjohns446 keep it God-like and come out of love. How are you showing the love of God by telling someone that they are disgusting?
@@monkeykingmo-ri777 I would actually say that's immoral because it is, from a secular perspective as well. Extra-marital/adulterous sex is the root cause of many issues in our society.
This is the christian teaching, should it surprise you that I actually follow the teachings of my bible?
Married to a divorced person.
Who?
Im not a Christian, im not religious, I fallow god himself, i don’t listen to another sinner just because hes at a podium. I know this for a fact that we have a loving god and he expects us to love as well. You ostracizing someone isn’t going to bring them to faith, i dont care what made up story you have about how it worked for your friends sister. We need to love everyone regardless of their sins because we are all sinners, no sin is greater than another. We are all in the same boat and its up to us to be caring and understanding with our brothers and sisters, god made us all in his image, that includes the homosexuals, we need to treat them how we want to be treated and maybe the odds of them coming to Christ will come up. How are you going to bring someone closer to god shunning them for how they feel? The hatred from organized religion is what drives people away from god. I used to be a Christian and i just couldn’t sit in church every Sunday and listen to a sinner tell me his interpretation of what god wants. I have sense split into my own path and im letting god himself lead me. I have found a church with a preacher that is vary anti religion and extremely spiritual, i can feel god talking through his mouth and its incredible, but i dont go every Sunday. Sometimes i wake up and god tells me i need to go today because he’s speaking something you need to hear today, and i go and that’s exactly what happens every Time i go. Organized religion is a man made scam, god didn’t create it, sinners did.
You’re going to hell
Working on the sabbath
Wait... so Jesus hung out with tax collectors, prostitutes (sinners) and had meaningful friendships with them.
However, if we are friends with those kinda people we should distance ourselves from them (according to this pastor)
Seems kinda contradictory??
Im pretty sure Jesus would rather us loving on people instead of removing them from our lives.
No . Face He’s speaking on behalf of verses in the Bible such as 1 Corinthians 5:9-13. This isn’t his original idea, it was Paul’s. Disagreeing with a pastor is one thing, however, disagreeing with an apostle of Christ is another. This is an extremely difficult passage for me, and I’m not sure how to go along with it.
Delve into this passage and seek further understanding. You can look into the Greek (original language written in for N.T.). I would try and present some of it here but I cannot right now, maybe soon I'll come back and share my findings but I encourage you both to do so.
I think there's a few factors to consider when reading about Jesus being with sinners and Paul clearly saying to avoid "company" with them. One factor is that Jesus was "hanging out" with the lost who were supposed to be his.
It's like going to prison to seek out your criminal children and seek to know them when most people would encourage not to be associated so much with criminals..... I know, poor analogy, but I'm trying. Anyway, God bless you and search the scriptures.
Jesus lead people to repent and be right with God. Paul also did the same thing. The rub is when someone claims to be repentant, but then keeps going back to sinning again. Back to their old ways. So it’s obvious there’s been no real heart change, it’s all just for show. And THAT’S when you no longer have fellowship with this person to show them “this is not a game.”
@@hangryturtle9006 spot on.. Jesus hung out with them offering them a life of repentance. And in the end 'the crowd' which represented those type of sinners sent him to death.
Ya some Christians contradict themselves so bad. They are like oh we need to be like Jesus. Ok well Jesus didn’t shun sinners, he helped them and loved them. And they say our job is to bring more people to god but they also shun anyone who commits a sin they ( a human sinner) deems worse than any of their laundry list of sins. Like no thats not bringing anyone to god like that, that drives them away. If you want to fill the seats in churches again we need to learn to love and accept people for who they are.
How should you respond to a christian friend who's in a homosexual relationship?
Ans: just like you would respond to any other friend who's in any kind of a relationship.
Pradipta, very well said.
*in sin
Oscar, you would objectively be a better person if you didn't care so much about a bronze age book.
Sex between consenting adults is generally pretty amoral.
@Oscar Benigsen Thus says Oscar Benignen, who likes mascarading as God Almighty.
I understand what John Piper is saying, in terms of biblical church discipline, read 1 Corinthians 5. For a person in your church to profess they are Christian but lives contrary to Christ, this is what is ought to be done. The process sounds very unpleasant, but John Piper is right, it is not meant as a hateful act but one of love, for the person, for the congregation too. In the hopes that they may truly repent from their sins.
It’s better to let us live
Good luck selling that as an act of love. People will view it as the hateful, homophobic act that it is.
@@levkamenev3904 because it is
And better to make sure others who struggle don’t go down the same path
A person who has THOUGHTS about violence or sex.
Then do the same to straight couples who lives together without getting married
Let them be! Their relationship is between them and god! I’m not a Christian but I know what it’s like to live as one.. I don’t personally like it due to this reason with lgbt members being hated on or treated differently just because they sin in another way.. we allow people like Kenneth Copeland to harm and scam others but when it comes to lgbt NO no that’s bad
And I understand your perspective but try and imagine ours.. try living a week wanting the same gender or being the opposite sex and see if you believe it’s a choice! I can tell you for the past 10 years I’ve been trying to live as a bisexual women but all of the times I wanted a girlfriend! Im 18 now and just like when I was 7 I am very embraceful about mine and others and what they identify as.. I don’t like religion because how they say their god is all powerful, why did he create the flood? That he’s all loving, why did those things happen to me as a kid and a teenager if god loved me? Why doesn’t help those people who are literally giving their money to people like Kenneth Copeland and dying slowly!!
I am a straight atheist. I believe people should accept people for who they are. If they are a LGBT person, that's okay.
@@vshah1010 turns out I am a Christian but I agree and I don’t know if it’s just the fact I can’t accept myself as anything else religious wise or if it’s just because I feel bad for not reading my Bible that I spent like 14 bucks on
what about how should chistians respond with homophobics
pastor brian Many of those homophobes (especially toxic ones) are religious, and vocally Christian.
@@henrymudgett2646 no they are NOT Christian, you can NOT be a christian homophobe, thats like saying u can be a vegan meat eater, they are religious people pretending to be christian.
pastor brian Sure, they are. Do you still believe that Christopher Columbus was Christian? Or maybe that America or Canada is a Christian nation?
@@henrymudgett2646 you don't get what christianity even is....do you.
pastor brian I do.
Key words here that a lot of the comments are missing. Professing brother :one claiming to be a follower of Christ. and living in sin :it's not just someone who sins, we all do that. Its practiced sin. Its habitual. no longer fighting to do what's right. Desiring your sin more than obeying God and acting on it.
Rotten, rotten, rotten. I have been on the receiving end of this persons advice from my family. Note he says the crushing rejection of their family and friends is what turns people "back from their sin"...not God. So much damage being done here.
@@ddrse Got any more gobblygook for us? For cripe's sake, just let people be true to their nature. Accept them for who they are instead of blathering about archaic theology, go learn something about human biology or human psychology.
@@davidcoxinparis You have a millstone around your neck you should forgive yourself then you can be forgiven. You guys are fortune tellers not Christians. You use the Bible as your crystal ball. Some people enjoy chastisement and some people worship the character more than the Creator they're called idolaters! someone that is both in the name of God is a sodomite. It doesn't matter if they're shouting we wish to know them or crucify him it's the spirit of a suppressed idolator. The worst thing men can do with each other is conspire to crucify. Every day you pick up your cross and crucify yourself to the law like a dog that return to its vomit. The mob shouting crucify are they your brothers and sisters? I find no fault with you but if you wish to crucify yourself then you have rebuilt what Paul has destroyed, that is your own punishment you will receive the recompense for the error which was Meet. You do not crucify yourself so that you may be saved. You do not tempt the Lord your God. You are a Ouija board reader who picked up the Bible.
Christopher, I'm so sorry for your crummy experience. I hope you have found a safe place away from all this judgmental horseshit. I hope you can find peace.
@@davidcoxinparis you are a polytheist not a Christian!
Dan Saber That comment was nothing but hatred and false accusations. It’s the goodness of God that brings man to repentance, and nothing about being ostracized is good. Maybe you are the one that needs to give the Bible a read.
I'm a Christian. But is it a Sin to have a Homosexual friend who is not?
Ever watch one of those zombie movies where one character gets bit on the hand? And of course they have to cut off the hand, right… or else his whole body would be infected. You don’t cut the hand off for the hand’s sake. So when we approach people with certain sins, yes we should be gentle, but it is not necessarily only for his best interest but for the health and purity of the body.
So you need to withhold the fellowship with your children if it's the case?
I think more Individual discernment and prayer is more useful, not cutting off the fellowship
So what is the point of loving and worshiping Jesus, if He is going to turn you away from Heaven?
Avengers 24 God is not going to do that if you follow he's rules
So are you saying that people can't be gay? If so, what about 2 Corinthians 6-14-17, where it says that you shouldn't marry non Christians. If that was acted on, most of the people in my church would have to get a divorce. I became a Christian after I got divorced. Will God turn me away? Will He turn me away because I support gay rights? There is a single mother in my church. Is God going to turn her away because she had sex and isn't married? What about slavery? The Bible says that slaves should be obedient to their masters, but, thankfully, slavery is now outlawed.
Avengers 24 If you repent, *NO*
Repent of what? Standing up for gay people's rights? Being gay? Which is not always a choice for gay people. The lady at church, with her wonderful son. What should she repent of? The people who are married to non Christians, what do they need to repent of?
Avengers 24 They all need to repent of their sins
This is manipulation at it’s finest .
no its not lol
This is why I only have a couple of “friends” 😂.
Or you could just let them do what they want and accept them for who they are-
So what if he is gay. So fucking what!
Just went through the comment section and it looks like something Rainbow Dash would throw up
What Is up with everyone writing whole ass books in the comment section of these videos lmfao
ϥμeers write books when lying that there's more than 2 genders
@@prizma45 there are more than 2 gender lmfao. There's 2 biological genders but more than 2 that you can identify as
@@dawn55 lul
I thought the point of Christianity is that everyone is a sinner. If everyone is a sinner, should we cut off everyone?
this doesn’t sound like the right way, Jesus sat down with sinners and never give up on them
He had a way of changing the lives of everyone he came across for the better.
I don't think this man knows what being a Christian is. The Bible says that all sins are equal in the eyes of the Lord. So that one time you ate more than you needed, you committed a sin. You engaged in gluttony and greed, so unfortunately according to your method, you should be cut off from the church. Your Christian friends can no longer associate with you because clearly you believe that God is measuring the 'magnitude" of the offense of you sin. Sorry dude. I guess Christians only seek "justice" now and forget about the love and mercy part.
Matthew 7:1-5
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
What you should do is continue to love them, as God wants. Then being able to genuinely feel your love for them may give them the clear head they need to make things right with God. You deciding that they need to be exiled will make them debate whether they want to continue their walk with God. Why would anyone want to be a part of the Christian community when the members places themselves above other individuals based off of which sins they have deemed to be just too sinful. Literally just like "oh yah I sin, but my sin is not nearly as bad as your sin. Since your sin is worse, that means that I'm better than you and should continue to live my sinful human life, free of judgment from others. Oh and also you deserve to be exiled by all the members of the church, but I don't because I'd never commit THAT sin."
So many LGBTQ people that have grown up in church leave their faith because of treatment like this. How about you shine your light for Jesus and show them nothing but love and kindness, the way you were commanded to do. Maybe that will make them feel like God still loves them instead of hates them. Thinking that God hates them is the reason they run away from Him and its all because of people who claim to be Christians; not because of God. Jesus Christ would never encourage His followers to "ostracize" ANYONE, so please don't walk around telling people this is right while simultaneously claiming to live a life for Christ. It's misleading to those who are unsaved and its literally embarrassing to have people thinking that this is what Christians are commanded to do.
Matthew 7:21
Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will. enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who. does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Commandments Of God
I am the Lord your God. You shall not have strange gods before me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not make to thyself any graven thing; nor the likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. You shall not adore them nor serve them.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not kill.
You shall not commit adultery.(Example: sexual intercourse with members of the opposite sex)👈
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.
God gives the church the authority and the command to disfellowship a member who sins intentionally and habitually or is a danger to the congregation (Matthew 18:17; Romans 16:17-18; I Corinthians 5:1-5, 9-13; II Thessalonians 3:6, 14; Titus 3:10-11)
Divorce
If were saved not by our works at all then someone can be a homosexual and still be saved then
Thank you for making it abundantly clear that you are so not speaking in the Holy Spirit. If love isn’t your answer you haven’t understood anything.
Your advice is disgusting in so many ways but it helped a lot to open my eyes in this matter. So thanks, I guess.
Ok
Killing is a sin but if u kill someone to defend yourself and your family God doesn’t have a problem wit that king David killed Goliath cause Goliath kept bullying the Israelites if a person keep messing with u and your not messing with him are u wrong for killing him I don’t think so
Amazing answer.
Terrible answer
@@xXEGPXx how so ?
@@chrisdiaz577 Because I said so you rat, go rummage through the garbage you bottom feeder
Holy ostracism? Sounds like an attempt at coercion and manipulation to me.
Plot twist: The guy talking is gay.
You seem to forget the part where people who actively and deliberately live in their sin to mark them and cast them away, turn away from them. Come to church if you seek to be reborn and your heart changed not to flaunt your sin and want people to except it that's not how it works and you disrespect God in his house
I can answer this. If they're a friend or even if they're not, mind your own business.
OH WELL SAID
I have always wondered about this. In this situation it was about adulatory. I do agree because it does affect your relationship with God and your relationship with your spouses. God bless. I’m sure you get a lot of persecution but the Bible says we will have that. Stay strong. 🙏
@Holy Crusader How many other stupid questions do you wish to ask?
@Holy Crusader Why does your profile appear to be that of a neo-Nazi? Are you a knuckle-dragging, uniformed, ignorant ass-wipe neo-Nazi? You look and sound like one, but perhaps it is just a false impression.
So if you find out your friend watches porn or has sex before marriage you will also “holy ostracize”.
Absolutely. 2 Corinthians 5
*1 Corinthians 5
What about adultery, fornification, racism etc. This is church discipline to….
Ok, answered it
God also said that everyone should be treated equally what happened to that I believe that you're the sinner I do not believe in God personally I believe anyone could think what they want as long as it doesn't hurt someone else
You are wrong darkness has no fellowship with light
Amén. Gods truth confronts Mens sin. And sinners don’t like it.. REPENT!!
And also. Did you that Christianity was founded in Palestine? Why arnt we talking about the Jewish Violence of Gaza? Talk about saving God’s people. Why are we focus on these “sinners” who we are no better than?
Be ye not with unbelievers,a little leven spoils the whole lump.evil is like slime,get close to it and you'll get some on you.
I know so many kind people who are gay and I'm bi and read the bible and if God exist why is so much bad in this world
burn fire There is so much bad in this world because God test us to see if we have FAITH in him
because homophobic bigots say so.,......
You need to be born again to enter heaven. John 3:16. Then turn from your sin and attend a Bible believing church for discipleship. God bless you.
Logical question that will lead you the logical conclusion - religion is a bunch of hooey.
Beware of false prophets and do what God says to you trough your hearts. Isn't the one, true law of Christianity to love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and to love others just as you love yourself?
I am not Protestant, but I just want to quote Luke 42.
"How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
Wow. Yeah. Enjoy that afterlife buddy. I think that you are in for a surprise
@@jacobgrafstrom1917 hmm... Which god, which he'll... If there such a place..?
God does love you so incredibly much. All He wants is for you to come and get to know Him
I believe in karma. pastor john would get what he want and deserve.
@@jacobgrafstrom1917 do u think you would go to heaven and meet your god? reference your comment ?
I’m a queer Christian. I haven’t attended church in the past few years and this type of mentality is a big part of the reason why. Please don’t try this. You’ll either end up with someone turning away from the faith or you’ll have a lap dog saying and doing all the right things; not to embrace love of Jesus, but because the alternative is loosing their loved ones and getting tortured for eternity
Friend it is a fact sorry to say because you have to let Jesus change your heart if it doesn’t happen then you are not yet born again
@Ravetastic. we must have a change of heart sorry by being born again 2 corinthians 5:17
I've asked God to make me straight several times.
@@hellofrominside8524 i know it’s probably hard for you to hear this & you’ve probably heard this time & time again but i ask you listen once more, the bible says if you love me you will follow my commandments. the thing about being a Christian is that you must constantly refuse yourself & the pleasures of your flesh. As Christians we must take up our cross daily we cannot say we are apart of the Christian community & continue living in sin. i say this with all love my dearest. you say you’ve been praying for God to make you straight but maybe change your prayer a little start telling Him to renew your mind completely. to look at life through heavens eyes & pray that you & him grow closer so that he may convict you. To add onto that read his word daily i promise you reading His word is life changing. His words will comfort & convict you like no other. my prayers go out to you friend, keep fighting the battle
@@cosminbryant1243 And just thinking bout sex is sin, gay or straight, get real!!!
If you're all about God's love and doesn't know His wrath, you're missing the point of the cross, you miss how Jesus rebuked Peter a lot of times not because Jesus hates him but because He dearly loves Peter and so should we, if you can't accept the truth because of pride then you cannot accept Christ because Jesus is The Way The TRUTH and the Life no one comes to the Father except through Him. repent brothers and sisters, read the Bible for yourself
Oof my gay heart
Lol, mine too
1. Why are you still following the rules of a book written by men centuries ago?
2. As said in the bible, if anything exists, it is God's will. If God had a "way", he would not have created love between two people from the same gender. The Bible states clearly that everything we do is made possible by the power of God, who created us. Plus, if God made us from his image, wouldn't he be bisexual too? If God is beyond our comprehension but also only love for every human, wouldn't he be both heterosexual, homosexual, transgender and all?
3. God is love? Then why would you spread His words saying some people can't love each other? Religions are based on the accomplishment of happiness in one life to move to the afterlife. Why would you, based on the precepts of a hierarchy, spread hate in our world...?
Its your judgement that homosexuality is a sin, two people in love is not a sin, God never said any such thing.. Where in the Bible does it say, two of the same sex in a loving and committed relationship are sinning?
This is all gender based, male / female. What do you do with people born both sexes, intersex (AIS)? They were created by God, yet at birth, with your concept of the Bible, sin for the rest of their lives, no matter what they do. We know God does not create sin. This along proves your take on Cor, Rom, Tim is incorrect - homosexuality is not a sin.
love is not a sin, it never was
@@pastorbri love never lies.
@@pastorbri but isnt it a sin when you choose to act on it??
@@charlesrauh1972 why is acting on love a sin for you?
@@pastorbri you have a good point there...i guess my answer is thats what ive always been taught..
So, I’m asking you all, would Jesus go to a gay pride parade?
I’m not joking, I’m serious. Please comment.
Thank you,
Mark
Do you mean by supporting them ? because if that’s the case then no. But to preach repentance & his mission for why He was sent to earth then, yes.
@@tamaramelendez8553 thank you for responding
Just sententious nonsense. The 'success story' is probably someone who was 'crushed' because she was rejected by the people who are meant to love her.
Hard when its your daughter
Toxic.
Love your fellow man, your love is to turn away. Jesus is disappointed with you.
Makes sense. If God is going to condemn the person to hell, then who am I to love him as a friend.
I am a Christian and I teach our youth on Sunday school. What a terrible, unloving response sir! Jesus walked, ate and sat with sinners too. I suppose you are too righteous to be considered a sinner...tsk tsk. I would not commend such teaching.
I hope you don't have any friends.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
I always like to think that was just Jesus's way of saying "I wanna go first!"
A. Banana Nobody said it was cute and fuzzy but it’s also not evil and wicked. Disowning those who you believe to be lost is evil and wicked to me.
A. Banana Salvation isn’t based off of who we do and don’t associate with. Salvation is on the basis of faith. Not obedience. And yes, it is still basically disowning someone to cut them out of your life based on your own beliefs and giving no importance to theirs.
Evan C Jesus don’t want u to keep sinning dats why he told the prostitute be free and don’t sin no more so therefore he’s tellin her that for a reason basically he’s sayin u can’t be a prostitute and still say u love god everybody loves god but don’t wanna sacrifice for him u can’t have your cake and eat it too people wanna be gay but it clearly says in da bible man on man should die so all I’m sayin if u gay u can always repent from dat but after u repent from it don’t do it no more dats for any sin and every sin
Ostracizing is not the same as stoning you to death.
incorrect! you love them. Jesus never never did holy ostracism! WWJD, he would never do that.
How do you respond after reading Ezekial 3 18-19 im just curious.
Revelation 21: 8. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
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Isaiah 6: 9. He said, "Go and tell this people: "'Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.'
Be peace with everyone. No one should behave as pharisee. Who wants to take up the first stone?
You are completely wrong and the Bible says darkness has no fellowship with light keep on reading your Bible because obviously you don’t know what
Holy ostracism, I really could not have imagined anything more ridiculous
john piper existence is already quite ridiculous.
Wow, terrible.
You can't be a gay Christian. U may come in that way and acknowledge the lifestyle is wrong, but u can't remain that way
Just because this presenter is talking about hard subjects, doesnt mean he does not have love in his heart. The fact he would dedicate time and effort to bring Gods word to a sinner, to try to help them, is a sign of love. I would have been blessed to have that kind of rebuke from my brothers and sisters when i faced homosexual sin. Thank you for your ministry, God bless you
Um, im sorry but i dont think this is love. Love is when you care and have faith in this person. He does not have faith or love in gays. He wants to cure them. There is nothing to cure here.
Krisan Cockburn you are so blind though to everything that is sin. Some sins are more favored than others by man, but not by God. Gluttony, lying, pride, gossip, slander, stealing, gambling, unforgiving heart, anger, jealousy, vengefulness, lust, addiction, drunkedness, laziness, anxiety, worrying, divorce, sex before marriage , ALL OF THESE ARE SINS! So I think we as Christians who commit a lot of these sins DAILY need to stop being hypocrites and pointing out certain sins, but failing to address the many others. Many don’t address gluttony because they love food too much. Many don’t address laziness because we all like to sleep in, or watch tv, but between a glutton and a homosexual, there’s no difference.
how about we mind our own buisness?
How about we put god first before any one else?
@@jasminmckenzie5805 Not everyone believes in God though. So only Christians can put God first and we can still mind our own buisness doing that.
Pastor Brian why don't u?
@@laurapug5389 because I was and you lot wasn't. Again go read 1 tim 2;8-14.
@@laurapug5389 hope you repented
Accept them.
Your living a contradiction according to the bible. Do you love GOD or your flesh that is the question. That is the choice you have to make.
That’s like saying “Do you love God, or do you love your wife?, it has to be one or the other.” When you’re gay, your perspective changes and you realize that love is love and God does not make someone a certain way and then throw them into hell for it. God says it’s not good for man to be lonely. Yea, that’s why he made a woman, but unfortunately we’re not all wired to like women. So no love for us I guess?
homophobics don't care what God said.
Where is Jesus in this man's reply???
When the Bible becomes "grounds" to persecute people that Jesus would reach out to, that church is false and bereft of any validity whatsoever.
To continue persecuting gay people, one knows that this is a church of the middle-aged and old: the church of the fearful!
Young people refuse to "darken the door" of present-day churches once they leave the family nest.
The "gospel of fear" does not apply to present-day young people because they are intelligent and refuse to be fearful about God unlike their parents!