Dear Robert, could you please talk more about, what exactly taught you Walter Chapelle? I mean, how to see the world. I am not an artist. But there is something in your photographs. The moment, the stillness. What exatly is it in us, which is not automatic? Are you trying to catch it in your art? Thank you.
@@RobertSaltzman thank you so much, that completed the message for me! I must say it is certainly an experience. I mean to listen to you demystify spirituality. And all coming from a person that did have this "no-self realisation" and for whom it remained persistent. I am so very attached to the idea/belief of spirituality and to listen to someone discard it as dogma creates a tension that is really hard to resolve, a lesson in acceptance and humility. I have come to love to listen to you, while at the same time listening to advaita speakers like @rupertspira . I feel it helps grow my understanding while remaining humble and not going crazy. I appreciate you very much sir.
@@marcindurawa You are most welcome. Here is something you may like to read--a piece from my good friend Joan Tollifson in which she says: “It is quite possible," Sam Harris writes, "to lose one’s sense of being a separate self and to experience a kind of boundless, open awareness-to feel, in other words, at one with the cosmos.” To which he adds, “This says a lot about the possibilities of human consciousness, but it says nothing about the universe at large.” Yes! Very important insight! In my opinion, too many spiritual teachers take a huge metaphysical leap from very real and palpable experiences to a certainty about how the whole universe operates. The experiences are undeniable, but the conclusions drawn (e.g., that consciousness is all there is) are questionable. The same with near death experiences-they are undeniably real and transformative experiences, but the certainty about how and when they happen and what they mean is very questionable. The whole piece is here: joantollifson.substack.com/p/abiding-nowhere? If you understand this Marcin, you will see that Rupert and others like him are talking nonsense when they say that conscious is all that really exists. They don't know anything about that. No one does, but those people talk as is they did. Some are just liars and some are deluded. I think Rupert is the delusional type.
@@RobertSaltzman Thank you for the article. I think devising a theory of everything from an individual's "persistent non-symbolic experience" or "abiding in the no-self" (or whatever we decide to call it as a conscious effort to avoid the word enlightenment ) isn't necessarily harmful. I mean yes, there is a possibility of developing doctrines all over again and I feel many teachers have, intentionally or not, gone far towards that direction (e.g. Eckhart Tolle , in my humble opinion at least). But it can very well be free of any malevolence whatsoever, a mere play or exercise to satisfy personal curiosity or need. As long as it is not treated as doctrine, like something you have to accept before you can attain something, then I think we're good. I think Rupert does not spend much time explaining how all of reality works but rather gives very valuable pointers to realisation all the while speaking in volumes on how ordinary and unspectacular it is, deflating expectation and unintrusively guiding. Hm, seems like I felt I should come to his defence somehow. Hopefully I will stay composed and not fall under his spell during his retreat I'm planning to attend in July ;-) . Regardless, I still appreciate your spiritual agnosticism though.
@@marcindurawa Yes. If Rupert claims that consciousness is all that "really" exists or that consciousness exists prior to the material world, I hope you will ask him how he knows that. Then, if he attributes that so-called "knowledge" to his powers of "higher reasoning," hope you will interrogate him on that claim too. In any case, depending on no-thing, find your OWN mind.
Dear Robert, could you please talk more about, what exactly taught you Walter Chapelle? I mean, how to see the world. I am not an artist. But there is something in your photographs. The moment, the stillness. What exatly is it in us, which is not automatic? Are you trying to catch it in your art? Thank you.
Hi. I have written two books on the subject. I suggest you look into those. You can find excerpts to read gratis on my website:
www.dr-robert.com
5:08 "and I'm not making [...] here" Can't hear the words before "here". Anyone?
This is all here, including Robert, and I'm not making it be here.
@@RobertSaltzman thank you so much, that completed the message for me! I must say it is certainly an experience. I mean to listen to you demystify spirituality. And all coming from a person that did have this "no-self realisation" and for whom it remained persistent. I am so very attached to the idea/belief of spirituality and to listen to someone discard it as dogma creates a tension that is really hard to resolve, a lesson in acceptance and humility. I have come to love to listen to you, while at the same time listening to advaita speakers like @rupertspira . I feel it helps grow my understanding while remaining humble and not going crazy. I appreciate you very much sir.
@@marcindurawa You are most welcome. Here is something you may like to read--a piece from my good friend Joan Tollifson in which she says:
“It is quite possible," Sam Harris writes, "to lose one’s sense of being a separate self and to experience a kind of boundless, open awareness-to feel, in other words, at one with the cosmos.” To which he adds, “This says a lot about the possibilities of human consciousness, but it says nothing about the universe at large.” Yes! Very important insight! In my opinion, too many spiritual teachers take a huge metaphysical leap from very real and palpable experiences to a certainty about how the whole universe operates. The experiences are undeniable, but the conclusions drawn (e.g., that consciousness is all there is) are questionable. The same with near death experiences-they are undeniably real and transformative experiences, but the certainty about how and when they happen and what they mean is very questionable.
The whole piece is here: joantollifson.substack.com/p/abiding-nowhere?
If you understand this Marcin, you will see that Rupert and others like him are talking nonsense when they say that conscious is all that really exists. They don't know anything about that. No one does, but those people talk as is they did. Some are just liars and some are deluded. I think Rupert is the delusional type.
@@RobertSaltzman Thank you for the article. I think devising a theory of everything from an individual's "persistent non-symbolic experience" or "abiding in the no-self" (or whatever we decide to call it as a conscious effort to avoid the word enlightenment ) isn't necessarily harmful. I mean yes, there is a possibility of developing doctrines all over again and I feel many teachers have, intentionally or not, gone far towards that direction (e.g. Eckhart Tolle , in my humble opinion at least). But it can very well be free of any malevolence whatsoever, a mere play or exercise to satisfy personal curiosity or need. As long as it is not treated as doctrine, like something you have to accept before you can attain something, then I think we're good. I think Rupert does not spend much time explaining how all of reality works but rather gives very valuable pointers to realisation all the while speaking in volumes on how ordinary and unspectacular it is, deflating expectation and unintrusively guiding. Hm, seems like I felt I should come to his defence somehow. Hopefully I will stay composed and not fall under his spell during his retreat I'm planning to attend in July ;-) . Regardless, I still appreciate your spiritual agnosticism though.
@@marcindurawa Yes. If Rupert claims that consciousness is all that "really" exists or that consciousness exists prior to the material world, I hope you will ask him how he knows that. Then, if he attributes that so-called "knowledge" to his powers of "higher reasoning," hope you will interrogate him on that claim too. In any case, depending on no-thing, find your OWN mind.