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- A University of North Georgia student is on academic probation after she says she used Grammarly to proofread her paper. After submitting her work through TurnItIn.com, it was flagged for AI use and she received a zero.
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She is accused of not writing the paper herself but using AI by a professor who did not read the paper himself but used AI to check it.
This should be the top comment.
@@kimt1054👍
Just the opposite: She is NOT accused of using AI; she IS accused of plagiarism, that is, not writing the paper (or portions of it) herself. The problem is the AI the professor used likely flagged a false positive for plagiarism, because it detected that she used AI to check spelling and grammar. See: 1:08
THIS!!!!!
Not the onion
Using the free version of Grammarly is no different than Microsoft Word correcting your punctuation mistakes. The school is in the wrong
And the thing is that the school will continue to say it's the student's fault.
@@TiffWaffles , if it was secondary or high school, it would make sense. But it's an university. Or if a student is a future language tutor.
Exactly. And even the subscription service version doesn't really change your writing. They may suggest ways to make it more concise but it does not affect the content itself. We have the paid version at work. I'm with the student in this case and If the school insists, she may have a civil case and claim for damages.
Agreed the free version of grammarly is just a different version of spell check what the hell is wrong with this university because last I checked spell check was ok to use no matter what age you are
Assuming she isnt lying lmao
The irony is it's a "criminal justice class" but she's held guilty until proven innocent.
Typical of US law really.
@@johnruddick686 Well you're innocent even if proven guilty if you're like Harvrd's Claudinne Gae💁🏻♀🙃
But we're taught it should be, "innocent until proven guilty", right? That's what I meant by the irony of her class.
If you think about it, nothing is ever really 'proven'
The irony is also in the fact that she can't spell "Grammarly." 1:52
@@tintinismybelgian haha nice catch 😅
Turnitin is not fool proof. It’s lazy grading.
Turn it in doesn't grade the paper, only tries to quantify copying from other sources. Although apparently now it tries to claim it can detect AI as well - I highly doubt that it is reliable. Somebody either has already or about to sue a school and/or turn it in for particularly egregious but unsubstantiable accusations that negatively affected them.
But you can’t expect teachers to sift through thousands of sources to see if it’s stolen
@@NicEeEe843yeah but they should set through the cases where they accuse the students of something
like they showed show where plagiarism is
@@NicEeEe843 Actually I can expect a teacher to sift through thousands of papers grading them, and doing quick lookups to see if the student cheated. And any suspected cheating should be reviewed by a small group to verify! It is literally their job! It isn't hard to compare to the same students earlier writings to see if there are major changes.
@@tobybigham4196 If a teacher even spent 5 minutes (which is very short) on each paper and there were a thousand papers that would take 83 hours 😂. And they’d have to research other papers on each paper to make sure nothing looks like something else from a primary or secondary source.
I am a retired professor and to accuse a student of plagiarism, it is important for the professor to analyze the flagged sections of the paper and not simply rely on the software.
In his defense, he's lazy. Plus, his AI said it was AI.
Maybe the professor is AI
My whole class failed a psychology project onece because the “professor” said we didnt cite enough and used too many of our words.
The only way to graduate college/university is to actually plagiarize but just quote and cite every word. From that day on the only part that wasnt quoted was a line or two in my closing statement.
Its not plagiarism if you cite and quote, therefore if you make your whole paper quotes it’s impossible that its plagiarized. 😂 (and it takes no time to finish since the statements and thoughts re already written out by someone else)
"Once" you graduated did you forget how to spell?
@@FawxDaddy Should have told that to Claudine Gay.
So, is using 'spell-check' cheating also?
Yes. As a student, it is your responsibility to be your own editor. This includes proofing your own work. You are the one tasked to complete the assignment correctly - not pawn it off. This is why we have so much incompetence literally everywhere.
@@bobmahnamahknob You must have been living under a rock for the past 50 years, but Word processors have built in spell-checks, you just right click the word and change it. It's obviously not cheating
@@tynao2029 Yes, it is. It is the same as using a calculator when you don't know how to do the math without it.
@@tynao2029 People like you are the reason humanity is as lazy and s2pid (sp.) as ever.
@@bobmahnamahknobSo we should throw calculators and dictionaries? 🤔
If she was getting financial aid/scholarships, this could mess with her tuition. GPA, prospects, future recommendation letters…😡😡😡
That was definitely mess everything up 🆙
The professor should be fired, this is negligent.
Don't blame the professor - the student should not have cheated with AI. She should have done her paper the old-fashioned way, the way people of my generation did it - write the paper yourself, then proofread it yourself, manually. You learn better, and don't get in trouble.
It depends on HOW MUCH of your paper remains after running it through Grammarly. If Grammarly is re-writing EVERY SINGLE ONE of your sentences, then it's writing the paper, not you. I make sure every single one of my students knows this. I obviously can't tell for sure without seeing the paper myself, but she likely SHOULD be on probation.
@@ajm5007 If a student truly wants to produce their own paper, they should just write and proofread it themselves, WITHOUT any sort of artificial aid. My generation got through college by doing it ourselves - so should this generation.
@@cathynewyork7918 Times a changing. They'll be using AI once they get into the workplace so shouldn't they start using it now and Colleges adjust their academics?
Or teachers (and people like you) should do the research and figure out what ai is and what grammarly does (by the way 2 different things).
And why shouldn’t we use the technology?
If that were the case you shouldn’t be using it either, and just listen to the radio because that’s how people used to get the news before. “Do it the old-fashion way”
These technologies are being implemented in the many work fields, might as well know how to use it for when it’s common in almost every work place.
Just because you don’t understand it, it doesn’t mean it’s bad or that it shouldn’t be used.
I used Grammarly as a spell check tool throughout high school and college without any issue. So glad I graduated before all this AI nonsense happened. Professors are getting power trippy over this, falsely accusing students of using AI. Like what are we doing here?
I didn’t run into issues using it in college either. I mainly was using Grammarly when I wasn’t sure if the sentence was correct.
Like whats the problem like thats not cool like we used it. The professor knew she used cause there wasn't the word "like" there like 27 times like you guys like to use the word like.
Catching cheaters
@@corey_5758 yup, use of spell checkers should be non debate, it is the same as checking an electronic dictionary. My guess is there is something else that we don't know.
Hell my school gives you a subscription to grammerly. 😅
I was literally *given* the paid version of Grammarly by my college when I was still attending. How on earth is this sort of policy even remotely fair or justifiable?
Me too. I went back to school for two years during the pandemic and was _required_ to use Grammarly. What’s happening to students now is madness. Lazy uninformed faculty and staff, sounds like to me. Where are the actual adults in the room?
It's not at all clear what happened here. She should post her paper. It's possible she plagiarized and is blaming grammarly.
everything that's ever been thought is now published...good luck not "plagiarizing".
@brucesmith1544 There are so many possible combination of characters it's actually easy to not have your idea published as long as the professors constantly update their work. Ofcourse the smartest kids would simply take the best responses to the ideas and put then in their own words and thus appear brilliant.
@@jameswhite3415 But there are not that many assignment topics, especially when given year after year.
Grammerly, you failed us again. First, your prices and now your help. 😂
She should sue the school and the professor as Grammarly is not A.I. so the claim is false.
Absolutely, she could win this case
Grammarly *IS* AI. If what she says is true, she should ask the school for evidence about plagiarism, not about grammarly, and sue them for defamation if they can't produce evidence. Or if the school has some lame policy about no use of any AI ever, which they didn't publish, she should attack them. The issue isn't with Grammarly though.
Even think she could have lied about not using ChatGPT? Why has no one mentioned that lol.
@@michaelcrawford8594fair, that is a possibility. But ChatGPT is a very different creature from even GrammarlyPremium.
@@Shyndree
didnt the video say that grammarly was not ai?
This is BS. Turnitin itself admits that AI detection is imperfect, and instructors should use it with caution
It's also a huge double standard - the instructor can use but, the student can't use an editing software that isn't actually AI anyway because the faulty AI software claims the student used AI? This is utterly ridiculous but totally in the line of college education these days anyway.
Exactly, it's no more cheating than the underlines pointing out misspelling/punctuation errors in Microsoft word. It's still up to the user to proofread their paper.
Yeah, and even regular "plagiarism checker" Turnitin hasn't worked well for a long time. Frequently used phrases, experimental procedures, and citations all get flagged for plagiarism.
It's because it's an AI far more intelligent than majority of human life forms especially on the left side
Years ago I had to submit my papers through a plagiarism detector. It was funny the amount of times I had to sit with this one professor because my score was always 30%+
Turns out quotes and industry phrases are -- get this -- shared among a lot of papers.
Im so glad I never had to deal with AI detection. My papers were very monotone and robotic.
Grammarly is not the same as Chatgpt. This is ridiculous!
It depends on HOW MUCH of your paper remains after running it through Grammarly. If Grammarly is re-writing EVERY SINGLE ONE of your sentences, then it's writing the paper, not you. I make sure every single one of my students knows this. I obviously can't tell for sure without seeing the paper myself, but she likely SHOULD be on probation.
@@ajm5007she used the free version that doesn’t offer all of the advanced options like changing the tone of the writing. Plus, correcting for grammar is different than generative AI.
@@ajm5007 The AI grammarly isn't creating ideas and concepts. It's literally just rephrasing what you've already put down.
@@Omnip073n77 Grammarly is now being used in the workplace so colleges better get used to it.
@@Omnip073n77also, I haven’t used Grammarly, but the ads make it seem like Grammarly gives you suggestions on what to use based on what you’ve already typed. It’s not generating something new, which probably means that the rule “use of A.I” might not need some amendments.
Disgusting, they should give her an A for the paper and they should give her a refund for the semester
Why an "A"?
I use grammarly everyday at work for spelling and punctuation errors. She's 100% in her right to use it, it's not like she threw a prompt into chatgpt and said "write me a thesis and this". She used her own words, her own research, and just had grammarly spell check and make sure her subject verb agreement was accurate. This is bs, she should fight it.
See but I think she might have used chat gpt to write it then grammarly as a plagiarism check. Before chat gpt, I used to copy data, toss it into grammarly's plagiarism checker then modify until it couldn't be recognized. Worked flawlessly every single time. My guess is that she did the same but turnitin still caught some gpt generated content.
@@D2h2766 I literally didn't know Grammarly has a plagiarism checker. I only use the app to spell check and grammar check. Once I see the green symbol and smiley face, I know I'm golden, but even then I proof read it once more to make sure it makes sense. That's interesting now that you mention it. I still think she should fight it though.
If you use Grammerly for anything at all, you are an idiot.
Anyone accused of plagiarism should have a right to see the supposedly plagiarized source. If a source cannot be provided, such accusation should be considered defamation worthy of damages being awarded to the student.
Except now you can just use AI to write your paper
@@danmortimer269 lol But you can use AI to grade it? That is hypocritical, to say the least..XP
Amen.
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Agreed. I'm surprised that the student went to the media rather than to an attorney. This seems like an instance where an attorney should have been involved.
the college uses technology to grade paper, yet does not allow students to use advanced technology to write paper.
Yeah? And? Using a tech to check for necessary content and elements versus using that same tech to insert those same things are vastly different. But, in today's morally bankrupt reality, I guess most (including yourself) lack the ability to make that distinction.
@@bobmahnamahknob you must not know what Grammarly is. It's a spellcheck, the same stuff teachers use to grade papers
@@ladywed2699 Shows how little you know of the situation. Grammarly is not AI :P
@@tynao2029 You must not know what doing your own work is. It is when you do your own work and don't depend on someone or something to correct your shortcomings.
@@ladywed2699It doesn't change your work like what chatgpt does but it does point out where you made possible mistakes and offers suggestions.
This is no different in hiring a human proofreader. 🤷
Turnitin flagged one of my college papers for plagiarism against MYSELF. In a completely different paper I wrote for a different class I had a similar writing style (because it’s still me writing) and I had 1 or 2 of the same sources. Thankfully no one suspended me because it would’ve been ridiculous.
One was a biology report on CA sea otters, the other was a persuasive essay on why we should protect the ocean ecosystem and the environmental effects we have on sea otters. Not one sentence was the same, but TurnItIn flagged it.
Self-plagiarism is not acceptable in academia. If you reproduce text which you have published or turned into another class you are supposed to cite it.
They would have explained this to you.
The professional reason is so people can't cheat the system and publish the same content to get their publication count up.
As a student it's partially training you to get used to the professional way of doing things but also so you aren't cheating by simply recylcing work from other classes.
I didn’t cite myself because I didn’t repeat even a single sentence from my other paper.
This was in one of the earlier years of TurnItIn; I’m grateful my professor saw that there was no plagiarism, not even self-plagiarism.
So, you plagiarised your own writing style. Shame on you...!
Not much of a reader? As I said, not one sentence was the same, two completely different topics, and my professor had no problem with it because she had a brain and could see no plagiarism--not even against myself--had taken place.@@mikethespike7579
Soooo unfair!!!! I hope this University has to answer for placing this student on probation and giving her a 0%. Shame on them for not listening!!!! 😡😡😡😡😡signed, retired teacher.
As long as there was no plagiarism involved, I do not see a problem here. Microsoft Word has an editor feature that does the same thing as Grammerly does, but very few people know how to use it.
Yeah, but Grammerly beats Microsoft hands down.
Grammarly is better and much more user-friendly. It is beyond ridiculous for this young woman to be treated this way for using a proofreading tool!!!
I use the editor feature all the time. It’s not THAT hard.
I know. I have used both Grammarly and Microsoft Word. They are getting a bug up their ass over nothing.
No, you guys. Grammarly (that is the correct spelling) has a new feature where AI will write your sentence over for you in a new form. She's just not using spell check but, she's using the system to actually write her paper.
Turnitin is notorious for flagging students who did not use AI and ignoring students who do use AI. Turnitin is pretty clear about this so professors and administrators who are not aware of this are sleeping on the job.
Exactly. I've also noticed that Turnitin always flags quotations, regardless of if you have actually cited them.
I feel so lucky back when I had to use Turnitin 4/5 years ago ai wasn’t such a thing. But heck even back then Turnitin would flag citations and references as plagiarism I can’t imagine the mess it is now with ‘generative ai’ concerns
@@bakerboat4572 I KNEW I WASNT CRAZY. When I was in College I had to turn in a history paper and I had to use turnitin, me being new to this website I was confident that I didn’t plagiarize my work (I’m an English major) and when I submitted the paper, it said I had 11% plagiarized my work. Me being sick to my stomach, I checked to see what was plagiarized and I swear they highlighted the words “And” “in” “the” and then they highlighted the quotation marks and citations. I told this to my teacher and she didn’t believe me, I handed the work in though and I waited to see if I got expelled (never did).
@@NikoN-xw6xyI'm a bioinformatician by training (think a cross between data science and biology), the matching algorithm that TurnItIn uses is very similar to how sequence alignment works in protein and DNA sequence analysis, namely, you can compare the similarity between sequences and give an overall score of alignment, and from that draw conclusions about your sequences. That said, you don't simply run the analysis, look at that raw number and consider that the end of the story. It's worth taking a look at an alignment to see what is (and especially what isn't) the same, because that's where you begin to understand the sequence. It's also worth seeing if what the computer has done makes sense (because while the field is very well developed, it does still make mistakes, I remember in our lab we had a Lynch syndrome misdiagnosis caused by a very specific software error that took a human looking at to spot). People using TurnItIn should be looking at more than just the match percentage and considering what is there a match to. An essay about Hamlet with high frequency of matches to the cited script of Hamlet and other commentary about Hamlet is expected, a biology lab worksheet that copies word for word an answer given by another student is not. I think too many academics are using TurnItIn as a quantitative measurement of plagiarism as opposed to a tool to assist them in detecting plagiarism.
In fact one of my favourite pieces of plagiarism to discover when I worked in academia I didn't even need TurnItIn to find. When the doofus who made the work submitted by 4 people had a random change in font and paragraph format in the middle of a sentence I knew it had been copied and pasted from somewhere else, without using any detection tools. I just didn't bank on finding 4 people who'd submitted exactly the same work!
Turnitin is powered by AI, such an irony haha
Idk how this girl is calm I would be MAD
Because she knows she cheated, duh.
@@Sky-pt1jgfor real it’s crazy how many people are duped by this story. She clearly used ChatGPT like everyone else does. She just sucked at hiding it.
The professor used AI to check the paper.... ugh
I remember when Grammarly first became a thing, and I only knew about it because of a college professor. They encouraged everyone to use it. Wow.😊
Same here. I'm in my 1st quarter of classes, and I'm now using it when submitting my papers.
My former high school teachers had the classes use grammarly alot and was told it was a big help.
Yeah but now this is what people do.
1. Have an AI write the entire paper for you.
2. Feed it through Grammarly to make sure it sounds human.
3. Turn it in for credit.
We are probably not far away from universities attempting to ban access to AI using the exact same software they use to ban access to adult sites.
Then just make people write an essay in class or at a testing site
Schools have been going after the use of any kind of AI. When you rely on software to help you with your paper, even if it’s only for grammatical and punctuation errors, it can change the wording to the point where the sentence(s) may be factually different. I’m a freelance proofreader and when I was getting certified, I took an entire module on proofreading and plagiarism. Proofreaders are allowed to correct errors on grammar, spelling, and punctuation, but we are not allowed to change the actual content of a paper. Using software like Grammarly may indirectly change the accuracy of the paper, leading to plagiarism.
If you need help checking for errors regarding writing mechanics, use the spell check feature on your word processor or hire a professional proofreader. Grammarly isn’t always safe to use.
So, they use AI to punish her for using AI. Seems hypocritical to me.
She didn't even use AI. She used Grammarly. The free version is just spell check and some grammar checks - which is built in to every word processor(like Google Docs) anyway. The paid version adds slightly more function to make it just a proof-read that suggests edits. The only difference between that and a dictionary, thesaurus, and going to a friend/peer or a teacher/staff member for a proof-read is that it's faster and lacks human error. Using a calculator in a phsyics, engineering, or advanced mathmetaics course is closer to having an ai do your work than using Grammarly to proof-read your essay. You still write everything and present your atguments. Whoever or whatever you use for a proof-read just ensures you don't come across as a five-year old or miss any mistakes you made. In fact, every teach and professor I've met has at the very least actively discouraged doing your own proof-reading by yourself. They have always suggested that best practice is to have some sort of software, like Grammarly, and multiple peers read over your essays before submitting
No, they’re using AI to punish someone who didn’t use AI.
@@benjaminmorris4962DING DING DING. BEST WAY ITS BEEN SAID YET!
You are comparing two different jobs. Let's use math for example. The student is not allowed to use a calculator to solve a problem, but it's okay for the teacher to use a calculator to make sure the answer is correct. You are, the papers the students are writing needs to come from their own thought process. The teacher, who is not being graded, can use a program to ensure the student did not plagiarize someone else's work.
That was a South Park episode.
That is awful. The fact that the school didn't bother to fact check her paper for the proposed plagiarism is what is concerning
Using AI to check papers is incredibly stupid. I used a paper I wrote 15 years ago and the AI checker said it was written by AI.
I’m a legal professional and I use grammarly to help me review my own work. It’s easy to overlook things and sites that only check your voice and help rate your own paper. It’s especially helpful when you don’t have a sounding board person to help look it over. Nothing dishonest about this and it’s absurd they failed her right away.
It is dishonest for a student to use Grammarly unless the teacher/professor has given a greenlight. Policies must be followed. If a person is required to write a writing sample for a job, for example, there is no Grammarly. Society has become so use to having all of these tools to make everyone look and sound the same, but it doesn’t make it right. The purpose of a scholarly institution is to measure a person’s actual abilities without the fluff.
My pal is an HR rep they use grammarly for spelling in emails and recruitment
Karen, nobody want the opinion of a paralegal
@@grbenwayYou don't even know what a karen is because the og commentor is not a karen.
Please tell me you're not going to use ChatGPT to write your legal documents for you. They've caught several lawyers and judges doing it too.
This is a joke considering Ivy League professors as of late were accused of plagiarism!
😁 No different than the Real Estate market artificially inflating prices of homes to get bigger loans and better interest rates ....Ppl in high places do bad things. IT'S ALL A JOKE🙃🙃🙃
@@dpeluso9349 A lower interest rate that every one wants, oh the horror! Next time you take a loan or use a credit card, volunteer to have a higher interest rate.
@@dpeluso9349 Not gonna name names but we just celebrated a holiday for christs sake, celebrating a person that had lots of plagiarism and its because speech writers want to get attention to the idea they care deeply about, there were no big problems back then about plagiarism, why should we put it on the news today?! People, look at the Real ESTATE market for christs sake!!!
And the Dean! And then defended by the university
@@dpeluso9349 you're not smart, so I doubt that you have much experience in real estate
Imagine getting so tired of grading. You just straight up decide, to let the computer do all the work.
You have to use software to catch plagiarism efficiently. AI is a very sophisticated cheating tool.
Turn it in doesn't grade, just checks for plagiarism before the teacher grades it.
This is ridiculous. The college needs to reopen this case and question the professor’s syllabus if grammarly is on his list of AI software.
I don't know what the paper was about but it sounds like the professor was on an ego trip while grading.
Aren't they all??? Probably not making enough money selling their crap book on amazon...😂😂😂
That's the problem. The professor didn't grade it. Ironically. The ai program "turnitin" is what flagged it. It's stupid.
No, she's using Grammarly to write her paper. She's asking the app to improve her writing. Now, if she's completed other work before and he sees this. He can spot it immediately.😂
The professors don't grade anymore. The AI systems do!
Lol these programs don't grade the papers, they just check for plagiarism and to see if an AI wrote it.
With so many cheating students how else can professors know if it was cheating? Even if they read every single article ever posted on the internet, AI can just write a new paper.
No one else in her class got in trouble for this, but logically many use grammarly to proof-read. Think about that for a minute.
The professor should not be using AI to grade his students' papers.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
That’s not what’s happening, though.
It's the university making the choice to have students submit through turnitin
It's supposed to be used as a tool to find plagiarism.
The students are there to learn grammer and english, using the checkers is cheating.
This also happened to me, expect my professor was more understanding.
I feel so bad for this student. This is not fair 💔
Even MS Word suggests fixes and stuff. Guess we’re all busted now.
Ms word does not write a whole new text for you using a few prompts. Which Grammaly ai is capable of.
@KarMa-ws3ll that's still not plagiarism. She still had to write her ideas. Unless she went to ai and wrote "write a paper about x", it's still her work. She could have had her mom rewrite 5 sentences, and it would still be her work.
That is exactly what i mean by giving prompts. U can tell ai to write a paper or paragraph. And no, if her mom rewrites her sentences, thats is not ok. Its not plagiarism per se but you have to work on a paper alone - its not a team effort. At my university, we had to sign that with every paper we turned it.@@mikochild2
Having another person rewrite a few sentences means it's no longer 100% your work. Someone else did some of the work.@@mikochild2
@@mikochild2 not writing your own paper 100% and not citing sources if using direct quotes IS plagearism‼️
What is scary they accuse you, you're innocent, and you have zero recourse. The professor should be fired.
His name is Robert Ellison go boycott him at rate my professor.
You do have recourse actually. You can appeal.
Hi. Sorry, can't help it: Please change your comment to, "What is scary IS they ACUSE you, YOU'RE innocent, and you have NO recourse. The professor should be fired. (PERIOD)" Check out Grammarly for more spelling and grammar tips. 😊
There's ways to fight it. Did the student have notes from her research? An outline? A draft? How about saving/tracking changes in Word? There's ways to protect yourself from this.
Anyway, unless someone sees the paper, it's impossible to really have an opinion on whether she did or didn't do X or Y.
@@chadhartseesMy 60 year old mother who can barely use a computer just got accused of using AI to write her assignment. She had endless proof she'd done the assignment. She spent so much time researching, summarising articles and writing drafts. It took a month of her fighting the uni for her name to be cleared. They didn't even bother asking for evidence of her work before she was reported to the Academic Integrity panel (aka a disciplinary panel who was supposedly supposed to assess the assignment further). And they didn't bother contacting my Mum. She had to ring the university numerous and talk to high up figures at the uni, for them to finally clear her name. It was a joke. Universities treat students accused of using AI (even with the AI detection software being known to not work well) like they're guilty until proven innocent. They don't seem to get that it's nowhere near as accurate as plagiarism detection, and is not enough to accuse a student or cheating.
She used it for spell checking and not to write the paper for her. Big difference. She did nothing wrong.
That is completely ridiculous!
That professor has too much (uninformed) power; and not enough common sense to investigate before casting stones.
Typical powertrip professors...
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Needle dick vibes for sure
It depends on HOW MUCH of your paper remains after running it through Grammarly. If Grammarly is re-writing EVERY SINGLE ONE of your sentences, then it's writing the paper, not you. I make sure every single one of my students knows this. I obviously can't tell for sure without seeing the paper myself, but she likely SHOULD be on probation.
@@ajm5007Grammarly doesn’t re-write papers especially the free version. The free version only finds spelling and grammatical errors.
I've never attended college, but I shadowed a couple classes at a major university, and it made me realize you're at the mercy of your particular instructor's current rage against society. They feel old or overwhelmed or victimized in any way, & boom, their students get the flack. It was sad.
Sounds like you've shadowed those classes in Siberia. 🤣
How did you get to shadow these classes?
I attended plenty of college and that is a quite fair and accurate assessment. Some classes are all about the instructor. You could take the same exact course under two different instructors and one could be interesting and fun while the other was a living hell.
What ever happened to not being afraid or scared of hearing other peoples viewpoints? Yes, there were some professors that were way out there, you listened ,you did not have to agree with them. There were also some really awesome instructors, that have made a lasting positive impact on me to this day.
I'm not a doctor but I watched a surgery a few time....
Time to sue and get the academic probation expunged.
She literally can't do anything about it, even public universities have a broad range to set their own policy. A school could say drinking coke is academic misconduct and then expell everyone they catch drinking coke and there is nothing anyone could do about it.
@@GamerModz123 so basically no legal way or means to remove that "academic probation/dishonesty" stain or mark on your transcript and files. Only way you can remove it is you hack or breach the servers that stores the files and manipulate it illegally.
@@Knell. She could sue for libel. In this case she might win because heuristics based detection is nothing more than an guess. There's no actual evidence that she used AI to write her paper. Of course it would be much quicker to simply educate the school about the difference between plagiarism detection and AI detection by running the professor's own papers through AI detection software.
I wrote newspaper articles more than a decade ago. Even though they were physically published before these tools existed every single one was flagged by AI Detection tools as being written by AI. I used that to make an argument to my professor this semester that the AI Detection tools are flawed and that I have every reason to be concerned about false positives since AI claimed credit for literally all of my prior work. Educating the professors does help, but it helps more before something like this happens. When it does it's better to show that the professor's work written before AI tools existed are flagged as written by AI.
Dumbass
I was always told that those tools that flag for plagiarism are meant to be used as a guide and teachers/professors are supposed to look at the quantity of flagged work and whether it could have been unintentional. The other issue with the way the University responded is that, they did not respond to her claim at all. Their statement just reiterates their policy but doesn't address whether or not that conclusion was based on if she used Grammarly. The sad thing is, this kind of stuff happens all the time, and students are wrongfully blamed for procedural errors of the University. And there's probably no process for her to even fight back.
I think the young lady has good grounds for a lawsuit.
If what she says is true...this professor has stepped over the line.
The paid version of Grammarly is little more than a proof-read that suggests edits. It is hardly plagiarism
She needs to sue then the school will have to turn over the ai reports as part of defenses discovery motion.
These days, college kids don't even know correct spelling & punctuation.
The fact that she's not following up on it is telling.
Except that lawsuits cost a lot of money.
As long as the citations are accurate, there is no plagiarism.
It is plagiarism if she used more than citations, if she also used text.
@@cathynewyork7918 Not if she cited that text correctly.
Even if the person didn’t write it?
@@jeremiahlee6335 That is how quotations work.
Well, no not necessarily…
But regardless, this definitely doesn’t seem a case of plagiarism.
But then they turn around and use AI to analyze papers to save on time and cost. Cold world smh
Wait say what!?😂 so i can't use Ai to proofread , but the professor can use Ai to grade my paper🧐🤔🤔😂😂
As a student with dyslexia I use Grammarly all the time. Hopefully, the school is forced to correct its mistake given such 'guidelines' could be subjected to a lawsuit by disabled students.
I have dyslexia as well and use Grammarly.
Grammarly doesn't "write" your documents for you, it only suggests how to fix errors. It's up to the user how to fix it.
Now Microsoft co-pilot really does re-write what you write.
Big difference.
Exactly this. Grammarly is a tool to use even if you aren't disabled, but I know a lot of disabled students who do use Grammarly and they never were flagged for it. Why now?
@@christins.1481Actually Grammarly has GPT-AI built in now.
@@TheBaldr I've not come across it, unless I'm looking in the wrong apot.
How is this any different from asking your roommate to proofread your paper?
Because the roommate isn’t a fkn computer 😂😂😂 stupid people I swear 😂
She's accused of modern plagerism. Where artificial intelligence writes the paper. AI crested the sentences, word choices and paragraphs.
She's accused, because the teacher ran her paper though a predictive program that compares her paper with it's data base and determines a percentage value of "how similar" it is to other literature already written.
As if original. (not as references, which are footnoted and sources provided in a bibliography).
But, she didn't do that.
She _did_ do a modern "spell check", however.
Sadly, the "Gammarly" spell check program she used 'registered up' _as if_ she had used an AI app to _write_ her paper.
Which she had not.
Perhaps she can later sue the school for their wrong?
@@RLaraMoore plagarism
@@RLaraMooreHow do you know she did not use AI, and she admitted to using AI based tools for "punctuation and grammar", which, if it were only that, would not 'register up' on any AI detection software. I call BS on her story, you reap what you sow.
Except that you literally can’t trust AI! I work in a call center. AI monitors us. Our numbers have dropped DRAMATICALLY since AI monitoring. It literally says I have had 0 first call resolutions for customer inquiries. Absolutely false! It gives almost all of us 0 first call resolution. It monitors my husband’s driving for his job. Said he removed his seatbelt but you can clearly see the seatbelt in the video. AI flat out lies! But I guess since it’s cheaper than paying a human we all better get used to being told our work is substandard no matter how good we are actually doing because AI says so. I hate it!
I had a professor accuse me of plagiarism in a similar manner. After some digging, I learned the anti-plagiarism software cited _my_ original Google Doc copy of my paper as the source I supposedly plagiarized. 🤦🏻♀️
We were required to use Grammarly
So the professor accuses the student of using AI, because the AI tool that he was using (instead of actually reading the paper) told him so. The only one that needs to be put on probation here, is the lazy Professor.
Here is what puzzles me in regards to this story: when you submit the paper you submit the pdf, right? How is Ai capable of analyzing the PDF in this way? Or do students literally submit the Google docs file?
PDFs are easy for AI to read, AI can even read photocopied pages and 10,000 year old scrolls that look like charcoal
@@mtcampbell1 yes, but how is the said AI gonna be able to determine whether or not you used AI when writing the original text.
That's definitely what it is. It probably has nothing to do with the use of grammarly, I'd guess that she has a dry style of writing that sounds like it could be AI and a lot of older professors don't really understand how programs like ChatGPT work and they think they can just copy paste text into ChatGPT and ask "did you write this", or they trust those AI detector programs that have a really high false-positive rate.
The free version of Grammarly is very similar to the spellcheck feature we've all used in Word Docs since forever.
Just imagine, the concept of "forever" is a couple of decades, at most.
Grammarly has been around before AI so are you saying you can't use a spell checker? Grammarly is a grammar checker it doesn't write the whole paper.
Grammerly also updates their software. They have AI capabilities.
@@mrwilliams1Actually it's not Bultin you have to use it. If you have to click on the assistant, So the main Grammarly no.
Pure slander by teacher. I demand evidence from the teacher.
The same thing happened to me. The teacher gave me a D because I used “AI” to write my research paper, but I only used grammarly.
You shouldn't be using anything to start with except Microsoft Word to type it up. I can see why you got a D.
Did you complain and sue them afterwards?
It depends on HOW MUCH of your paper remains after running it through Grammarly. If Grammarly is re-writing EVERY SINGLE ONE of your sentences, then it's writing the paper, not you. I make sure every single one of my students knows this. I obviously can't tell for sure without seeing the paper myself, but she likely SHOULD be on probation.
You could have fought it
Grammar is still AI, though😂
Long before internet, one of my classmates in our Masters program was accused of plagiarism. My classmate challenged the professor who could not prove one plagiarized citing. The professor could not believe his paper could be that thorough, grammatically precise and scholarly. Besides, he was "just a nurse, incapable of that level of work." The paper was submitted to the ethics committee along with his previous work from other classes. He was then awarded a 100% on the paper, and given a mea culpa by the arrogant professor in front of the committee.
Early 2000s I was accused of plagiarizing on a paper... I managed to convince the professor otherwise but what really makes it stick in my mind is the paper was just straight up trash... I had written it literally 30-15 minutes before class in a big rush, spent zero time on it. Pretty sure the thing was less than a page as well. Imagine my face when I get my enrollment threatened for plagiarism with that.
About 5 years ago I had a similar thing happen. My teacher thought it was plagiarized because my past paper was horrible. I did not understand what exactly they wanted or how to do that type of paper. Once it was explained to me in a different way (learning issues) and re-written, my paper was pulled and I had to prove it was real. I'm like, this is what you TAUGHT me to write so I did. Even had to use a paper from another class and match it up with that teachers example paper to show how I adapted to what the teacher wanted.
i think some of those cases prfoessors accuse of plagerisum then take said paper and publish it themselves there was a scandle with a college that took students papers and published them as there own and the students got screwed but eventually won in court.
How ironic. It should be titled, "Use of 'Grammarly' lands college kid on probation."
The most ridiculous part of this is that the school backed up the prof after given evidence to the contrary. This is insane!
Now we gotta dumb down papers so professors don't think it's AI created. 😂
I went back to school during the pandemic and I had to do this exactly. Stupid AI kept flagging my own original work as copied (only a few ways to say “one plus one equals two” and make sense). So like a lot of students these days, I had to twist my writing style around just to avoid being flagged unfairly. I’m so glad I don’t have to deal with this anymore. What a nightmare for today’s students.
You need to strategically introduce a few grammar errors or typos to fool the system.
@@mrparts This right here!!! it's like getting the answers for a test before hand, you have to fake getting a couple wrong so people don't think you cheated.
Right??? I got accused (I cleared my name with evidence) and for my last paper I’d had enough. I dumbed every thing down. I was praised 🙃
No we need to educate children on the proper use of grammar and punctuation. This used to be taught in school.
I have very little confidence in any programs that claim to be able to detect AI text. As an experiment, I once ran a paper that I wrote before ChatGPT was even a thing through an AI checker, and it flagged it as having been generated by AI. These programs should not be used to accuse students of plagiarism.
Generative AI are often trained on human speech and writing so of course humans are going to sound a bit like AI sometimes.
It's like these morons at the college have no clue how AI even works and yet claim to be an authority on them.
Seems like she is being honest, and if so this needs to be addressed.
Take 'em to court.
This is all getting ridiculous. As an older adult I went back to school to earn a degree in my field (I had succeeded without it, but wanted to refresh my skills and advance my career). I had to write about one paper per week for most courses for the whole two years, and we were _required_ to use Grammarly (paid for by the school). Being “old school” I would write my papers by doing my research, gathering my references, and carefully noting quotations and citations. But Grammarly would flag my own original work as copied. It turns out that there are certain ways to say things that are just more natural, like saying “one plus one equals two.” But with these systems a student is forced to rewrite in very convoluted ways to not be flagged, only then to be flagged for bad writing style. I pity any student who has to deal with this dystopian academic nightmare. And shame on any teacher or administrator who fails to ensure that humans, not machines, must make the hard choices and do it in a just and fair way (innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt). Respectfully submitted.
Dystopian this is. I'm surprised people have not completely lost their motivation. I suppose that takes more time. How about switching to in class multiple page written essay exams!? 😅 I'm sure my suggestion isn't what students want. I had several old school professors that were not interested in using this software. At the time I thought what a bunch of old farts set in their ways 😂. These guys were probably all over 70+. However, in hindsight, writing essays on the spot using only the knowledge one has stored in their head means the individual has to actually have learned the material. These were old style Yale professors. I'm glad I had them as my professors. They were the most formal and structured professors I had. A couple of these professors personally evaluated exam essays rather than having a graduate assistant perform this duty. If I received a B or a coveted A on an essay exam by one of these stodgy, particular, unyielding professors, I knew my grade in that class was authentic. Overall, the course grade often involved only two big essay exams. With these professors, zero thought of grade inflation ever entered my mind. In a completely different department, I had a communications professor that tried to utilize as much of the latest software as possible. That class was a wreck. Exams had been all pushed to digital format. This is just an attempt at lazy automation by the professor. If that's their plan, don't even go. Put everything as remote-access online format. Get rid of overpaid tenured professors. Just outsource this job. AI can do it. It's like paying an impossibly artificially inflated price for a homogenized standardized class managed similar to a store's self-checkout. Well if that's the case, students can play this system by delegating their coursework to having AI do it for them. Professors want to free up their time. Students can do the same. Cheapen everything down a bit more 🙄. Spit grads out like the factory model higher education is becoming. It's so dystopian.
We may be losing our humanity and connections as organizations automate everything into a machine. You would think that as of 2024, all of this technology would free people to pursue a better life. I mostly observe people across the socioeconomic spectrum seeming to experience a squeeze for time, reduced resource security, and an odd dehumanizing isolation despite all of this present day connectivity at our fingertips. It's like getting stuck on an ever-looping automated corporation's phone menu. The system becomes dehumanized. Must be how we intend to evolve? Next thing you know Skynet will unveil, and then AI will become cognizant, and this paper writing issue will be a most trivial matter.
I had work for 26 years in textiles, and our plant shut down. I had a chance to go back to school for a degree, and they would pay for it as long as I stayed until the plant completely shut down.
I wanted to study computer networking because I had taught myself to build and upgrade computers in my twenties and thirties, but they pushed me towards Mechatronics. I ended up taking Industrial Electronics Technology, which I did enjoy for the most part.
But of course, I had to take several math classes, and I had to take some stuff like psychology and ethics to get a 2-year degree.
I remember having to write papers in an English class, the ethics class, and some of the others.
I remember how nervous I was when I was on a weekend finishing a paper and the internet or my laptop was not cooperating. I would be furiously trying to finish a paper and get it uploaded to their system and let it check for plagiarism.
There was a barrier of a certain percentage which I can't remember now, and I was always afraid that I would cross that barrier and wouldn't have time to correct something because you had to have it uploaded by the cutoff time.
I never crossed that threshold, so I was okay, but the program would flag very odd sentences that I had put together entirely out of my own head. I would reword them & it wouldn't flag it anymore, but it always seemed strange to me.
Another thing that is an entirely different subject is in my psychology class I had studied through a chapter or two and was taking tests and doing work assigned and I started noticing terminology coming up on tests that I knew I had not read about or been exposed to in the book.
It turns out the woman had not changed the syllabus since the last professor taught the class. It listed an earlier version of the same book for the class. The newer version that the other young students were studying was digital, which was what the professor was teaching.
I had bought the physical book listed in the syllabus from the college's bookstore, and it had been rewritten with extra information.
The information I was testing on I had not even read from the old version, and I was just doing the best I could.
The teacher was emailing me, and I told her I didn't understand some of the stuff in the tests because it appears later in the book, and we hadn't even covered that material yet.
When she finally figured out I had been studying from an earlier version of the book, she talked about how awful she felt and left me the correct version of the physical book to pick up from a front desk.
I'm old school since I've just gotten to my 50s, and I wanted a real book and not an electronic version like the other kids seemed to be okay with.
She didn't offer to change any of my grades because I never made below a B on tests and assignments, even though some of the questions I had to just guess the answers to.
@@TortureBot there are a lot of potential gotchas in online learning management systems (LMS) that can dramatically (and unfairly) impact both students and instructors. The textbook version problem is a great example, made worse by the fact that the textbook publishers make sure to change their textbooks frequently to force students to buy new books (and don’t get me started on the nonsense of renting books which is the ultimate form of making a course forgettable). Glad you had a reasonable teacher.
She was reasonable, but she was slow to admit that it was her fault for not double-checking the syllabus that was written by the professor from the previous year in that course.
All of the exact same information from the old version was in the new book, but since they added a lot to each chapter, the book ended up with more chapters and information that was earlier previously, came later in the new version.
I still have all of my original books that actually had to do with what I wanted the degree in, but I admit I sold the ethics books, psychology books, English books, and the like. I kept all my math books and all my electronics books.
I haven't used Grammarly, but isn't it a grammar checker, not a plagiarism detector? How did it flag your work as copied?
That college needs a lawsuit.
In my experience grading students papers if I come across a high AI use score the first action is never to give a 0 or report a students you must first give the student a chance to explain and resubmit. I believe that students pay way too much money for school to not be given chances to do well. However, if you have a situation where a student continually gets a high AI or plagiarism score then that’s a problem. That professor and institution should not be treating students that way and needs to be under review.
Why can professors use Ai to proof read papers instead of reading it themselves!
Because they’re focused on their 20 other classes or research or serving on committees 😅😅 Colleges abuse professors these days, at least in the U.S. The entire system is f**ed up.
I was accused of using AI to write a final paper for a class. Had I not had the draft saved still I would’ve been given a 0. Teacher used AI check and tried to tell me I plagiarized (news flash, I didn’t). I had works cited throughout the paper tied into the essay. Didn’t know Ai could do that. I also had personal experiences written in it. Didn’t know AI could do that either but according to her apparently it can 😒. After I was vindicated I got a 99 on my paper but she didn’t so much as apologize for almost putting my school life in jeopardy. I could’ve lost scholarships. Edit: to add,
I also ran my own paper through an AI check. I had 0 hits even after running it through section by section. Professors, do better.
Lawyer up! You're education should be paid by them.
There HAS to be more to this story. I can’t believe there would be any university policy against using AI solely for proofreading. This wouldn’t be detectable, either.
WTF? It's been a couple of years, but I was in college we were specifically told we should use Grammarly for our papers.
How are some professors able to remain so ignorant? When I was in high school, over TEN YEARS ago, we would constantly tell the teachers about how TurnItIn falsely flagged our work for plagiarism. I thought this would be common knowledge by now.
But nope, a decade later, some college professors have remained stubbornly unaware of the tech they themselves use. Yet, they're supposed to be advocates for learning. What a disgrace.
on probation for a YEAR because of one assignment LAST SEMESTER is insane. the free version of grammarly cannot write a whole new paper for you and even sometimes their suggestions for grammar and word choices are wrong. I hope this girl gets it appealed
We need to know more.
Grammarly is a good academic and professional tool, but professors absolutely should have the right to set their own guidelines for what resources students may use. She should not be on academic probation, but I think it would be perfectly reasonable for the professor to decline accepting a paper that does not follow the guidelines in the syllabus.
I’m glad she’s raising awareness so others don’t have this issue.
I use grammarly at work 😂 college is so delusional
If using Grammarly to check for spelling and grammar is cheating, does this mean that using the spell check and grammar function on Microsoft Word is also plagiarism? If so, virtually all professors and students are guilty of plagiarism.
This is what I'm wondering as well. I'm taking Word courses in college that are teaching us how to use these functions. It makes no sense why this school would do this to this student.
The professor should have given her the opportunity to make her case and should have gone through the paper with her. And recount the steps she took while writing and proofreading the paper.
the professor who gave her a zero, should shut the hell up.
Being falsely accused when taking a criminal justice class. So meta.
This professor can no longer be taken seriously
I'm so glad I'm not in school to deal with this bullll
Maybe if her teachers would have taught her what she needed to know in the first place, she wouldn't have had to look it up.
I thank my supervisor. When we submit our rough draft papers, he reads them and proofreads with a pencil or pen. He will give it back to us. We will rewrite and submit. That is called a lovely professor.
That's interesting because my school actually provides us with the same software for grammar suggestions. They also pay for it. Grammarly gives you suggestions on how to rephrase sentences that have poor grammar It does not provide you facts or details and it does not write the paper itself.
The same thing happened to my high school senior this year.
It’s crazy that an entire generation is not going to know how to use grammar or how to spell. Back in my day… We actually had to learn multiplication tables because we didn’t think there would be a calculator and your pocket 24/7
The teacher used AI to detect AI? Why didn't the teacher do the work himself?
Huh?? How is that plagiarism when you're only using it to check for grammar and spelling mistakes?
I’m more interested in how a native English speaker, a university student doesn’t know English? Is native language a rocket science for the students these days?
@@kawashima-yoshiko How is that related to this problem?
@@kawashima-yoshiko I can't tell if you are being serious or not
@@kawashima-yoshiko College students are often tasked with writing 10+ page papers on tight deadlines, on less than 5 hours of sleep. Excuse us if our grammar isn't top-notch throughout the entire paper.
@@leguminous7564poor little babies😢do you know what the handwriting is? That's what we were doing back those days. Along with drawing blueprints with our hands and doing math in mind. And we all survived you know. Try spending less time surfing social networks guys, and suddenly you have more time to sleep🤗
The irony of this story is overwhelming.
People are taking sides in this without knowing the contents of the paper. We, the public, lack information to judge the situation one way or the other.
Remember, do not use a dictionary. That is also AI.
The dictionary is NOT AI - the dictionary is a reference tool. It does not write the paper for you like AI can.
Not AI at all.
the people in the replies seemed to have missed a joke. this comment had me laughing 😭
@@cathynewyork7918 Sure it can. If I was writing a paper about words between Dumb and Moron. It almost write itself.
@@machone539 You don't understand the point of writing a paper for school. It is to learn to seek out information, analyze the information, and integrate all the facts you learn into a cohesive school paper. That is how you learn. Using ANY artificial device to write the paper means you are NOT learning analytical thinking and writing skills that you might need someday on a job. You are cheating yourself as well as the integrity of your professor's grading system.
The dean of Harvard did 100X worse and nothing happened.
She's not there anymore. IMHO, all of her credentials should be revoked. I bet we're smarter than she is. AOC might be smarter than she is and that's saying something.
This is exactly what I was thinking as I watched this news story.
Wrong. Harvard University President Claudine Gay had to resign amid plagiarism accusations. Do all you people click "thumbs up" to a comment that is factually wrong? Do you not know how to use the internet to check facts?
I took put 12 of my old papers from 2003-2007 into our campus' cheat detection system. 2 of them got flagged for being made by AI. It's a worthless system.
Or you just had been cheating?
Yes - of course we must believe the student and assume the professor is wrong. Nineteen year olds know so much and should be able to tell professors and colleges what to do.
My step sister goes here and one of her professors literally told them they could use Grammarly. What a joke of a school💀
Just because one professor allows it doesn't mean the other professors should allow it.
Doesn’t she have a right to a due process protected right to a hearing where the school has the burden of proof?
Seems like she would be able to defend it. Here's the accusation. Prove us wrong. Here is what we think you plagerized. If she really did write it she should be able to answer questions on it. It would take me less than 5 minutes to tell if she wrote it or not. Often not even 30 seconds. If they didn't write it, they fall on their face fast usually.
That’s ridiculous
As someone who has been using Grammarly for several years, I always turned it OFF for college papers. Not because of the "grammar suggestions" or tone corrections, but because it constantly changes spelling and words on its own. It is good enough for forums, not class papers. You should not have to spell/grammar check a spellchecker.