What is Ceramic Coating? | Race Coatings
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- čas přidán 11. 04. 2018
- Ryan Parsons of Race Coatings gives us a demonstration of the ceramic coating heat treating process and the benefits in terms of performance and appearance. Ceramic coating can be applied to most types of metals and is available in a large section of colours and finishes. For more information check out www.racecoatings.com.au
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You did my pacemaker extractors for my lsa in the black ceramic. Top work mate, love em!!
I am just paying the man a complement for his work..... Move along mate.
Erwin Acobe The fuck is wrong with you?
LSA711 got contact info for this shop? I have an exhaust id like to get done
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Ever since I got ceramic coated headers on my Nova, they're the only kind of coating I use. No wrapping, no paints, no other coatings -- just ceramic coating. Keeps heat in the engine bay way down, it looks good, it lasts a long time, doesn't rust. For an idea, my Nova dropped 46°F under the hood after putting ceramic coated headers on. It's really worth the extra money.
So adding more ceramic coats on internals, can give you more hp gains and torque because the heat resistant ceramic coat reduces the heat so dramatically. That’s actually impressive. I love this idea.
That piston demo was a bit dodgy don't you think??? To start with he held the flame a lot further away with the coated pistons- away from the hottest part of the flame. Then the editing didn't allow you to see if he held the flame on as long as he did with the non- coated piston (although that may have been done on purpose). Next time someone tries this on, you might want to remind the person that your viewers aren't that silly and a shady demo will in tern make the product look shady. Disappointing- was hoping to see a fair and honest test to see how good it realty works. Think I might stick with the coatings available from the piston manufacturers for now...
Daniel Brealey i saw that it was kinda bias. holding it further away on the coated pistons.
Holding it further away is actually making the test more difficult. It heats the piston more slowly giving more time for the heat to transfer to the bottom. It actually makes the coating more impressive.
It's because ir thermometers can't accurately read temps from reflective objects. The top was much reflective than the inside.
Skirt on uncoated piston is different shape and looks coated to retain heat maybe? Definitely shady
Uncoated looked like steel while the coated ones are aluminum.
this video just exsplained every question I have ever had about coating. anyine besides myself see in the back ground at just how clean the whole shop is??? that tells 100% the pride taken in the whole shop.
This is a awesome video and very educational. You guys sold me on ceramic coating everything in my engine bay.
Awesome product and workmanship!
Very well demonstrated thank you for sharing this informative video im looking forward to having ceramic parts for my old truck
The piston demo had me impress on how it retained heat so well
Nice demonstration and info.
I have a goal to one day have a 70's American mussel car with a few modern but easy to work on personal touches but the plan is also to have a motor that is totally gone through and made to last forever. I'll definitely be considering that piston coating. Sounds like it will help the oil retain viscosity longer.
Best video ever about coatings
Absolutely amazing guys!!!
very educational great video guys
When of the best videos Fullboost!
Thanks for this video!! You are the only one who actually show and explain ceramic coating and btw, your coating looks a million times better than all those CZcamsr clowns that ceramic coat their headers with spray cans!
Tried to watch the video but my Ad blocked, blocked the whole video..
Harry 😂😂😂
Lol nice one
Didn't do that for me, are you using Ad Block pro? I haven't seen an advert on YT for a few years now.
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@@emmanuelmeris5841 Right, so like I said coatings are useless for the average enthusiast just an extra cost that can be spent elsewhere. That is the general feeling most have about coating and other treatments. When professional teams need a tenth or two, these things will give them advantage. The same rule applies when it counts you'll be 1-2 tenths faster than your competition given everything is equal. But most people aren't competing for anything because they are scared they will break something. To finish first you must first finish, meaning cutting corners ensures you won't finish.... It's a choice, either do it or don't do it and STFU because it doesn't make you look any smarter by saying you won't do it.
Well done Sir, keep it running....cool!
Dan From Fredericksburg, VA.
I accidentally ceramic coated my balls, and now I can't scratch them...
Can't wait until there is a butthole teflon coating. Imagine the long term savings?
Don't worry mate, it'll flake off eventually!
living proof the product actually works.
bwahahahahahaha!
Excellent video
Awesome content lads cheers!
I would like to see a running engine exhaust temperature test with an EGT inside the pipe and a laser temp ouside to show how well the product works on keeping in heat.
Been there, done that, go read MotoIQ ceramic coatings work.
The demonstration with the torch to the piston crown was quite amazing.
did you see the distance of the torch on the 1st piston compared to the rest lmao
Yeah, I did just look at the demonstration again, WTF, lol.
The torch placement appeared further away to make their product present in better standing.
The honest method would have items below ticked on a single video demo.
-A tape measured jig
-Three torches setup
-Torch settings verified
-Equal exposure time
Just saying...
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Holy hell! I couldn't have been more wrong about the ceramic coating process! I always assumed it was an electrostatically applied powder, just like powder coating. I also figured it came out of the oven with a shiny finish... Or the quality of gloss would depend on the surface finish of the metal prior to coating. This was definitely educational!
there are different type of ceramic coatings the coating they are using is cerakote or a copy of it i did some parts with this stuff a few years ago it good stuff i do my transmission cases and engines in cerakote c series air dry stuff.
@@turnmaster1754 just on that mate, is it ok to cerakote air cooled motorcycle engines? Cheers
I'm now reading all of these comments in an Aussie accent...
I've done plenty of my guns first time seeing automotive ceracote . cool vid!
Very nice! Looks like some really great work. If only it didn't cost $10,481.67 to ship my headers to you from Florida, you'd be coating them for me!
A few years ago I was rebuilding a tractor for the home farm, and just for shits and giggles, decided to have the pistons coated. Wasn't looking for better performance, just thought it might start better in the cold if the piston wasn't sinking away as much heat from compression. Now I didn't have a "control", and the engine was already badly in need of an overhaul, but it starts better than when it was new, and is still running well. So was I crazy for trying it?
Erik S
Nah, it’s good stuff, if I had a place closer to me that performed ceramic coatings I’d be doing it in anything I tore down.
Those pistons are thanking you.
Nice Niche business...Good luck and success to you and yours!
100% on the powder.. i've been powdercoating for 24 years and i cringe every time some asks to have anything from the engine bay coated .
I have talked hundreds out of doing it.. but some wont take "i recommend not doing it" for an answer.
Nice video 👍👍👍
Why not powder coat engine parts?
I've had ceramic coated headers on my car for couple years now, they don't stay looking so shiny. I got it done for the performance and under bonnet temps so thats ok but I do wonder about using ceramic coatings for engine dress up like valve covers. I imagine they would look pretty dull after time compared to polished alumnium or chrome.
Can you use exhaust wrap on ceramic coated headers or dumps? I've read that the excessive heat in the pipes can crack the coating.
When you more than double the distance of the flame, on the coated pistons, it doesn't look good, and is misleading... ceramic coating works, no need to exaggerate the results.... lol
Boosted01R the 2 coated pistons are different from the uncoated one too.
100% agree it is a proven process no need to make it look better then it is
Wasnt real scientific was he? Yeah we believe you mate, no need to see it done. Show us the black stuff on the rag and quickly hide anything wiped from the ceramic. Like one of those late night infomercials it reminded me of. I'm sure it works but as far as demo's go - lil bit dodgy.
don't dick about- if you are serious just send the parts here www.wallworkht.co.uk/ with what you want doing. no backyard stuff.
Looked like he heated the uncoated piston for a lot longer then the coated pistons.
lol still some people will believe the exaggerated results
So would it be possible to coat the valve stems to reduce friction and valveguide wear?
That's a really cool process and clearly has superior heat and wear resistance. But to be fair to powder coating for lower temperature cosmetic applications, the only solvents that I have affect it drastically (assuming proper preparation and curing) are methanol and dichloromethane (methylene chloride)...which happen to be the main components of powder stripper.
Indeed, way overboard on the whole engine Pistons, headers, turbo parts, sure. Low heat, stick with polished, chrome, or PC. Heck, even automotive paint and clear work well. If you're going "pretty" on an engine, it's not getting solvents on it. If you're a performance oriented only, you're not worrying about being pretty. Strict performance increases only.
That’s sick !!!
At 8:38, you mentioned that the only product you can't do is magnesium. Can you elaborate why that's the case? I'm asking because I have a BMW motor build and there are certain components being magnesium alloys. And with an intent to spray on a heat dissipation ceramic coat, I'm a bit concerned that if that can't be applied, what other options I may look for. I'd still choose to use CeraKote as much as I can, though. Thanks for the informative video and demo, excellent work as always from FullBoost.
Nice work man... can you tell me what is the machines involved in all the process? I'm from Brazil and I'm thinking in create a factor like that here. Thanks a lot.
Looks awesome, do you need to skim it off the manifold faces where gaskets go ?
Crazy awesome cool!!!
I would love to have my engine coated with that!!!
Have you guys tested effects on power with the ceramic coated pistons? I'm very interested to see that.... Definitely seems plausible that power may increase....
wow i wish they had that stuff when i was drag racing !!!!
Interesting! The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. This raises an issue or two, not allowed for in the original engine design: during normal combustion the heat which would've been absorbed by the piston and transferred to the connecting rod and engine oil now remains above the piston, increasing the heat of the combustion chamber, valves and cylinder head cooling galleries. I see potential pre-ignition, overheating cylinder heads and overheating exhaust valves.
The coatings work. I've used them and you really have to retune the engine after applying them. Usually taking jet sizes out of the carb and the engine will run much cooler or I should say will take much longer to get to operating temp
I belive you, but who uses carbs and jets these days?
Saw a review of it recently on one of the top drag racing channels that I watch called demonology, together with the Kooks headers on his Dodge Demon. They were much cooler than normal and everyone is really impressed with jet hot, so I looked them up after watching the vid and says that its a product made by Kooks and is designed for the aerospace industry. One of my next mods is going to be a set of long tubes for my Challenger as well, and have been planning on going with Kooks. After hearing about it, I searched the web and the headers typically go for around 1200 to $1600. But then have to add around 350 for the coating. Although I found one for around $1,000, and am shocked that they are so inexpensive. They are the 1 3/4 instead of 1 7/8, but that is still dirt cheap for them. (Especially with the coating and is a bargain). I have the link if anyone is interested, and are for the 6.1 & 6.4 hemis only...mxamotorsports.com/product/jet-hot-headers-6-1-6-4l-hemi/
That video was fucking Beautiful!! I learned so much and actually want to try these on some pistons for my engine build.
Would definitely do my header or extractors.
The benefits of the piston coatings and other engine part coatings would have to be tested in a lab.
Good job.
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I have carbon soot coating, does that work?
Something to keep carbon deposits off like teflon would be nice I think.
I'm skeptic because there was too many cuts in the video on the temperature test. Leading me to believe there was deliberate tampering.
Wat? They get a heat reading of the top then flip it over and gets a heat reading of the bottom with heat gun in view you fucking tosser Wat the fuck are you talking about
Check distance between torch and piston on the stock/ non coated vs the coated.
He's cleaning with solvent/thinner powdered part and shows the towel at 7:58. It can;t be seen that he takes solvent when he rubs the exhaust manifold and also doesn't show a towel. Maybe he rubs the turbo housing with watered towel. who knows...
Would this work on the a mazda rotary engine internals? They used something similar on their racing car 787b. Would this produce a simillar effect?
it would be cool to see a ls motor with all of its part pistons turbo headers etc and see what difference the same ls motor but stock with the same turbo setup. and see the temp differences and power limit differences between the two.
That's awesome bro.. this coating on a diesel piston would stop the piston from melting I hope
Reading the comments I'd like to see you do another video to do like a mythbusters episode to disprove some of what I see. I work in a lab. Putting the blowtorch on a stand for the same time on each piston to ensure the test is the same for each piston. Then measuring each temp at timed intervals over a long period of time you could create a graph to show what's going on. There are many variables that need to be sorted out aswell but I'm not going into it now. I was a powdercoater for years and ceramic is a far better product as powdercoating is just plastic really. Could you do a chip and scratch test aswell.
It's literally impossible for the top to be cooler than the bottom when heating from the top. The reflectivity and emissivity were messing with your meter.
Exactly, this method of temp measurement is wildly inaccurate between shiny and flat black.
absolutepressur , yep this guys full of shit !!
just another fucking gimmick. its like a pray on tan.
That is all this test is about. Fuvking ppl. Over with the emissivity of surfaces.
you guys should do the blow torch test on the headers
Só faltou presentear nós aqui do Brasil com uma legenda mais tudo ficou very good.
Have you thought to use a pair of type K thermocouples and digital displays for your demonstration? A side by side comparison with the same flame heating both to confirm you have a well matched pair of TC's then ceramic coat one and test the pair again. A 1/4" x 3" SST TC probe with a nicely rounded tip should take your coating without any sharp edges to worry about. Just a thought while I'm sitting here with a pair of Omron E5CK temperature controllers in front of me for inspiration. I've tried 8 thermocouples with excellent results, unfortunately they're all naked virgin TC's. Would be nice to see some solid numbers to go with your interesting and excellent looking coating. I'm considering ceramic for expansion chambers on chainsaws and dirt bikes. Thanks for the video. Good day.
Can this be applied to plastic parts as well. Coz if you can apply it to plastics, then it can virtually increase it's heat resistance.
Hold the flame further away for more science.
I would put the flame on the inside of the piston and check the temp on the outside see if there's any consistency doing it that way ?
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What sort of prices are we talking on piston coating?
I can vouch 6 years and counting for turbo ceramic coating.
Might be an idea to do the valve heads as well....any negatives to that?
On the piston coatings... how do you account for the different thermal expansion rates? If you keep the piston at a lower temp during operation this means it's not reaching it's full size inside the skirt.. compression, etc ?
It must just stick. Maybe it flexes?
Question... I can see how coating a piston head helps with heat dissipation, but how much will coating a piston head or perhaps even an intake and exhaust valve help with the carbon build up, which also gets baked on, which occurs from blow-by? Has this been considered and tested as well? Can the coating help reduce or even prevent baked on carbon deposits on these components?
Due to emission regulations, the blow-by will always get sent back into the PCV/EGR systems to have the blow-by burnt off, but will the coating stop carbon after product from accumulating on the pistons and intake\exhaust valves as well?
Carbon isn't usually that big of problem. It can be burnt off, or chemically taken off.
But with gasoline direct injection, the carbon buildup from the pcv is way worse. Maybe coating is the way to go.
@ the 9:37 those a try y headers off a VF 340 SV cluby or some HSV model. :)
Question: When you coat engine parts or engine blocks. That's aluminium ect. The parts or the engine loses its ability to release heat?
I did see a video of a intake manifold coated vs not. 30min cool down time the coated part was 50c+ abow the non coated.
towards the end you folks showed the entire motor being ceramic coated, what would be the benefits for the cylinder head and block coated? thanks
I agree with many comments before me ceramic coating definitely works but the heat test performed in this video is not an Apple to Apple comparison first the piston heads were not the same so that may of have help make the difference even more noticeable and the torch distance was not at the same distance when heating up the piston head without the coating it was closer and distributed to the entire piston unlike the ceramic coated heads
So? If you know coatings work then flawed testing means nothing but only an example of typically happens inside any engine not EXACTLY like it happens. Only F1 teams know what's going on inside an engine, everybody else is just guessing at it.
How long do you guarantee the coating on top of the piston lasts ? I had dart coatings do the tops of my pistons on a supercharged street application and 5k miles later theres no trace of coating left so I cant even tell when it flaked off
I had my frypan done, looks great but now It won't cook anything
If done to engine case internals/pistons, how much higher of a temperature can it handle?
What about DIY at home ceramic coatings. I see great success with things like headers ect. I wanted to try a set of pistons on my track car but Im afraid with that much heat it will flake off. Even though its advertised as being used for piston crowns.
how does the shine look after a year of use? any examples? I know the powder "chrome" looks like crap real quick if you don't coat with a clear, which reduces the luster anyway.
If the headers and header pipe from the engine to the turbo is ceramic coated is it still worth while to wrap the same to aid in heat retention.?
I'd love to know how they managed to bend the laws of thermodynamics and have the down side from the piston, wich is farther from the heat source, at a higher temperature than the top side that it's facing the flame itself.
Exactly. It's BS video. Just a scam.
Curious to know how much of a difference the piston material makes to the conductivity of temperature, the uncoated one looks to be oem, whereas the other 2 are aftermarket and probably not made from the same metal.
get yer rotors done here www.wallworkht.co.uk/
Your up and down this whole page advertising this shop. Do you work for them or something??? There are plenty of reputable shops doing it here in Aust- why would someone ship their stuff half way around the world to get done what could be achieved in their own country
no. not at all. i read through articles and subjects that are of my interest and see the videos. then see that some people think they can do in a small outfit what you need 100k worth of equipment to do. to do pistons they should be treated under a vacuum with a plasma spray. i didnt know that until a few years ago when i visited a company completely by chance and they make the equipment to do specialist coatings and ceramic coatings. i spoke to a engineer who was building up some equipment that looked like it was from star trek or back to the future to do specialist coatings and it was to be sent to the USA. i would love to think that i could do a quality ceramic coating on pistons for cheap and it wouldnt burn off or flake off after a very short while. funny i never heard about paint on ceramic coatings when i worked in aerospace- usually parts would be sent away to specialist companys with expensive equipment and knowledge to get it right. plenty of snake oil salesmen around. hardly any manufacturing or specialist companys doing anything remotely technical or scientific in australia. no car manufacturing, anything more technical than a nut and bolt is imported.i just wonder where the cutting edge technology is in australia.
Thermodynamic question, so if the Piston is taking less heat, does that mean the engine will run more efficiently as the fuel is burned and more of the energy pushed and exited through exhaust? Since the heat has to go somewhere?
Does the Piston coating alter the compression ratio or is it too thin to make a difference?
Would the the piston not need coated on the walls as well due to heat transfer from the bore and rings as it goes up and down?
Hi , Technically, What advantage could I have that I have the engine of my motorcycle (bmw R1200GS) painted ( in black Color ) with this ceramic process? thank you 👍🏽
hi, whats the best colour to use on the exhaust headers to get the best performance
I bought some aftermarket headers for my Ferrari 360 Spider, had them ceramic coated, wrapped them with exhaust wrap, covered them with blankets. The temperature of the engine bay dropped dramatically.
What is/ how much of a difference is there between ceramic coated interior vs. polished interior?
So with the ceramic coatings this raises combustion chamber Heats or dissipated through other metals around it?
They reduce heat lost into the cooling system, and increase cylinder temperature and pressure.
Awesome, Nice work! Who does this in the USA N.Y?
I saw a guy using a supposed ceramic coating on his car bodywork in the USA! Its only silicon in a bottle by the looks but its selling for up to $USD4,300 for a 200ml bottle in a fancy box!
The temperature gun cannot measure on very shiny surfaces......Meaning the uncoated piston is about 200 Celsius on the top as underneath.
The coated pistons are about 80 Celsius, if the surface is measurable with temperature gun correctly . And almost tge same underneath.
That means the coating seems to Block the heat coming in the aluminium of the piston. And therefore less energy transferred to the oil of the engine.
What would the life of the piston top coating be in a high performance diesel
how about ceramic coatings inside exhaust ports in the cylinder head and the cylinder head dome? that would hugely increase heat dissipation and extraction
I would like to ceramic coat a Harley exhaust. The effect I would like to achieve is what a cadmium plated nut or bolt looks like (a dull gold multi color) Is there a way to achieve this color? Thank you and best regards.
I wonder if they have a measuring tool to let you know how much ceramic coating is applied to various products like say a micrometer test or better still based on time factor and product adhesion times you will have X amount of ceramic coating on your items like say 0.20 micromillimeter os ceramic coating, i know that Ansett airlines used to have a Acid dipping machine which cleaned up all metal products and based on the amount of time and the type of metal like say stainless steel it will give you a mirror finish based on a time factor wile in the acid bath. :)t
I agree and thanks for the info, i am wondering if the polished surface will hinder the casket adhesion for the headers especially if using a hi temp casket glue to add that extra protection against leakage etc.. :)
what do you use for the teflon coatings? i am looking for the strongest wear resistance coating, i don't care what it is
What is the silver aluminum Catania color used on the front part of that LS motor! I need that color for my motorcycle engine.
How are you able to bead blast the entire nside a header - end to end? Thanks
Mejor material, la ceramica esta revolucionando la industria...
Having the piston absorb heat will keep combustion temps lower though? It will move heat away from the combustion chamber. Keeping all the heat above the piston will send it into the valves, am i wrong
Is it possible to ceramic coat a header pipe so it comes out in a high gloss black? or would it just be non gloss?
how your customer send their parts to you? already disassembled or you do it for them and then rebuild by you?
Cool!!
What's the temp on the coated pistons when you hold the torch close like you did the uncoated one?