You Need a New Keyboard
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- čas přidán 29. 09. 2022
- It's time to ditch your crusty old keyboard and get one designed specifically for you, by you! Come play around with KeebMaker's online keyboard configurator and see exactly what you're missing out on.
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Not wasting any time, great pacing, super clean, and almost made me buy a new keyboard on impulse. A+ video sir
One of the cleanest and best made videos I've seen on this topic. Really great work.
I have been looking into small custom keyboards for a while. Then I saw the prices for small custom keyboards; both assembled and kits. It was clear that I could build on for a lot less if I made use of my 3D printer. It took some time to design and build it the way I wanted. I have been using the keyboard for a few weeks and I really enjoy having it.
Super cool but they cost 10 times as much as the first keyboard. Definitely worth it in the long run but can be difficult for some people to justify. Excited to see these types of keyboards become normalised going into the future.
most keyboard last for years, especially mechanical ones. hot swappable switches are even better, decades or even lifetimes.
It's mainly because of economies of scale. Standard staggered layout keyboards can be mass produced, while most enthusiast split ortholinears are made by a person, hand soldered.
Got a 40% ortho from microcenter, shipped, for $40. Solid stuff.
Not these days. Especially if you dabble in soldering and/or 3d printing
The cost is a big factor yeah.. if I could get my hands on a good custom keyboard for like 50€ I would instantly get one. But spending 100+ on something just to try it is too much
Ortho columnar Colemak split tented. Multiple thumb keys should be on all keyboards. They are so useful. Yay no more RSI issues. Its been good for several years now. Have a wasd gaming layer. Other layers have been customized over time. I highly recommend people go down this path.
really love this video, very well made
I was so ready to be convinced and buy a new keyboard to replace my current one... my current one is a lily58 in the Lulu chassis. Guess I don't need a new keyboard.
Great video i really enjoyed but it would have been nice if you talked about wrist rests but anyway good video!
I think most people forget about the wirst positions when talking about ergonomic keyboards. I had a dactyl manuform, but it was hurting me more than my normal keyboard because it didn't have a (good) wrist rest. Now with my Kinesis Advantage 360 I can rest my wrists on the keyboard itself and it is so much better than my normal keyboard, even though the key positions (at least the alphas and num row) are the same as the Dactyl Manuform. With that in mind I don't think the model that you described as ergonomic would be better than a normal mechanical keyboard for me.
Absolutely! The Dactyl is amazing, but we've always thought it could use a good tenting kit to really perfect it. Kinesis obviously thought so too and made the dope Advantage 360 to do just that. As Glarses loves to point out over on his channel though, much in this arena does come down to "preference." Everyone is going to have different tastes and typing needs, but you're also absolutely right that wrist position is one of the biggest contributing factors to typing comfort for the majority of people. This is the nice thing about tented, split keyboards. The ability to move and position each half however you want in space allows each individual to hit their own sweet spot, without the need for crazy expensive or difficult-to-manufacture keyboards like the Advantage 360 or the Dactyl. Though those options are truly next-level 😍
You are aware that Kinesis advises to use the wrist _rest_ for resting only!? It is good habit to float the hand. I type a lot (~ 40 years) and never had problems with my hands. Since many years I use a split keyboard, which IMO is the most important -- more than columnar or row stagger or tenting.
@@nickgoogle4525 no I was not aware of that. Typing with my wrists mostly resting lightly is more comfortable for me. Having my hands float while typing doesn't feel ergonomic. Maybe because I am not used to it.
I'm by no means an expert but I believe the recommended typing posture is with your hands floating over your keyboard, generally achieved by having your arm rest on your chair at a level slightly above the desk height and your keyboard close enough to the edge of the desk that you don't have to stretch to reach it. That isn't to say that a wrist wrest is bad for you though, it is definitely better than letting your hands rest on the desk and having them bent upwards at a weird angle so you can reach your keys. When it all comes down to it preference and your personal comfort is what matters most though.
You generally want to have your hands or wrists floating. A wrist rest is definitely better than resting your elbows or forearms on the table and reaching up, but to optimize comfort and especially if you have wrist problems, the only raised rest you should be using are the elbow rests on your chair. It takes a second to adjust to it, but it's really not personal preference; floating hands over the keyboard is simply better for 99% of people, only very specific disabilities change that, and the adjustment period is so short that it's easily worth the benefits for anyone to correct their arm and wrist posture even when using traditional keyboards. And a manuform will bring that bad habit to the forefront because it's designed assuming you have proper typing posture. Curling your hands down over the board is going to be a nightmare to type on, which should be a hint to lift your hands up into a more comfortable position.
I can agree on this. Split keyboard is the best but also expensive... I really missed my split keyboard
i just bought a split keyboard the iris and i just have to wait for the keycaps but i'm really exited for it glad to hear that you like your split keyboard anyway cheers!
expensive is because you buy two keyboards instead of one (:
Your video making me so confused abt what've to build between corne or sofle right now. Having a number row on sofle kinda help me on type the symbols but also having less key on corne is truly beautiful 🤣
which keyboard did you go with and did you like it? I am in the exact same confusion right now
@@dteja92 I'm literally go to corne. Especially because it have smaller form factor. But if you really want to migrate to split ortho from regular layout, I recommend to build sofle instead. The number row is helpful to reduce using more layering only to access numbers and symbols. Just imagine using regular 60% board with slightly different letter positions
What are your thoughts on Kinesis Advantage 2 / 360?
I have so many things i want my perfect keyboard to be, too bad i don't know how i would build it myself cause it would eb the only way.
G A S P . This video and the message are so, _so_ good. Thank you!
Wouldn't an ortholinear keyboard just cause the same problem but for both hands? Your hands naturally approach your keyboard at an angle, so for your fingers to line up to the keys, you either have to bend your wrists away from eachother or pull your elbows together
Subscribed immediately
where do you get all these split keyboards? are they expensive?
Great video, I watched all of it because it's well made. But looks like it doesn't apply to me, I already got an ergo split kb keebio iris :D
Do you still make Helix keyboars? (At least I assume that's what I assume 4:58 is)
What's the model at 4:04 on the video? It is the first kb that seems to meet my physical limitations. I don't see it on the website and nobody seems to know what it is called. Dark keys for the alphas, white (with green tinge?) for the bottom ones. It has an odd thumb layout that would let me not roll under (huge thumb, not feasible) and not have to reach far for the other two thumb switches (short thumb).
Hi! Can you send the keyboard to Brazil?
No dactyl manuform?
I am at the "Switching to Colemak" stage of my keyboard journey. Ortholinear keyboards don't ship to Ukraine, so I will have to make one when I am more certain what I really want and have better typing habits
same bruh but colemak dh is the better version for most people including me
@@vfauni5764 I know. That is harder to set up across devices I use, so I am sticking with Colemak for now
SplitKB is in The Netherlands and they provably ship to Ukraine
nice video, esp for ur sub count :)
yes but as you go up in mods and stuff like that, it gets more and more expensive and for this reason i had to settle for a cheap membrane rgb "gaming" keyboard.
If you are willing to go far enough, it wraps back around again. You can build a completely custom 30 key keyboard for under 100 dollars if you are willing to live with a bare PCB and do your own soldering.
with tenting you have the same angle in your wrist on video. Hands less rotated, yes. But wrist still band and angle is higher. You can see how taut his finger tendors. I have 3 different split keyboard. I want to say, that tenting is not enough. You need change your style of using, include hands position. If you using tenting, your wrist cant stay on the table. I say that, because follow of this idea, buy some keyboards and was disappointed. After some time, I learn how to use it properly and now everything is ok)
only factor i cannot agree with this is the price... why not mass produce it... and sell for cheaper price
Does the key-remap profile autoswitch when switching between applications?
No, but you can easily change the mapping with VIA (or ZMK on wireless keyboards).
the sad thing is, you could buy two Mk47's for the same cost as one split keyboard.
there's things you can cheap out on I daily a 42 key split keyboard with 4$ microcontrollers and bare pcb with no case and I manage just fine. Learning how to solder is also a great way to spend less if you plan on building multiple keyboards.
The mk47 is great for its price, but I built a corne for 65 dollars and the ergonomic benefits are worth that 20 dollar difference every day of the week.
missing the one step: curved/dactyls :p
Ah yes. The ultimate in ergonomics!
what is the layout of the one at 4:55. Seems like there are different names for different layouts, but I could be wrong.
That seems like a good compromise, still being able to see what most of the most valuable keys.
Programmers have an enormous queue of new languages and things they need to learn in every spare second they get... So I'm not trying to memorize entire layouts that require 4 dang layers aka "keys that aren't freakin labeled".
I think it's a lily58
It largely depends on what you want to memorize. I would actually like to reduce quantity of keys in my keeb and move my fingers way less than I currently do, 3 layers would be nice I think
The layouts are super intuitive since you can design them yourself. Took me about 2 weeks to get to where I can do everything as fast as I could before on my Corne coming directly from a TKL. 40% really is the perfect sweet spot, especially if you offload pinky work onto your thumbs (which are normally both used to press a single key and have no other use). Numbers are trivially easy to hit since I just have them arranged in a numpad shape, symbols are all in places that make a ton of sense, function keys are arranged intuitively, etc. There's no memorization involved, just a short learning process. Nowhere near the work of trying to learn an alternate letter key layout or something like that, and honestly the move away from a stagger is much more difficult than moving to a smaller layout.
3:39 what is this keyboard? It's not a corne but similar
It also has a different stagger that looks more comfortable. Also interested in what keyboard that is
Do yo sell the tenting separately?
@xacerox Yep, we do! They’re modular, meaning they can be set at a low or high angle, and they are sized to fit out keyboard cases just right! 👌🏻
Buying a moonlander was possibly the best decision I’ve ever made
I spend most of the time on Pc by typing, but can't afford split keyboard, and have a regular one
I made my own pseudo-layers using AHK (Auto Hot Key), like Selecting layer, Moving layer, etc.
By far, it was the best investment in my programming career. Once you get used to it - there u go.
How much time it saves, and how much comfort it gaves... amazing
the long reach to the mouse is still a huge issue
There are split mechanical keyboards with integrated track pads or trackballs (bastardkb charybdis and dilemma)
Which board is the one shown at 4:59?
looks like the Reviung or a fork
unless you use a lot of shorcuts and your mouse for your job. then this becomes more of a pain in the ass.
How the hell do people remember what each key does on every layer? And how do then people also get even start using blanks key caps. I struggle to understand that.
Lot and lots of practice. Anyone who types for a living (office workers, journalists, writers etc) never actually look at their keyboard anyways
They don't. Seriously, unless you are just using one application with well known keybindings most of the time, layering completely sucks. If you switch apps, try to play games and such, it becomes a complete nightmare trying to find your keys, sometimes even impossible as they key to activate the layer might be on the other side of the keyboard while your hand is on the mouse. If you want a general purpose keyboard, get something with more keys and label them. This kind of minimalism creates a terrible user interface.
If you make your own layout it's pretty easy to remember. I first learned to touch type by changing layout to dvorak on regular keyboard, since the layout is completely different to the labels I just switched them to blanks and it didn't make any difference. I then later switched to 34 key split and adjusted to the lesser amount of keys/layers in about two days. My way of remembering everything easily was to design the layout to be as symmetrical and logical as possible so I left the least amount of work for memory and instead could think where the keys are whenever I forgot. Also about layer switching keys being in the wrong split for gaming; almost all of these splits are powered by fully programmable layouts so you can just move the layer switching key to avywhere you want, meaning this is non-issue. I also game happily with my 34 key board and I made the layout so I can completely unplug the right split for more space for mouse while also having most of the relevant keys available.
Why does that first keyboard look so crusty though
😂 Yeah, that old school 100% is crusty, but not far off from many common keyboards today.
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Poor writer wants great pens.
Only one video :(
the keeb master is currently learning on the distant planet
my wrists and hands has to wait until this stuff stop being overpriced ;P
Really? anotherone?
So where can I buy the tenting kit (green) keyboard?
You can buy one on our website at keebmaker.com/collections/tenting-kits-1. 👍
WOW! Brand new overpriced device will make my life easier! Can I get a soylent drink with my brand new keyboard? Or at least a discout
Yeah KeebMaker made my eyes water when I saw their prices lol
Your wrists should be straight when yoh type, keeping them bent (as you do when typing on the first custom keyboard you show) is a bad idea and can lead to wrist pain. Traditional keyboard is better in this case. Split keyboard however is even better.
that's literally in the video hehe
0:22 imagine falling for the "home row" lie spun by Big Kayboard™ to sell more keyboards.
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No but in all seriousness image using the home row nonsense.
No i do not
why is this trash 160$+
I made my own for 200 with parts from splitkb. I would buy it again. It's so much more comfortable to type