nah man loathe is too strong of a word, plus they all are amicable to each other at worst and friendly at best. They just...like to pick on venti since he is quite the character, although albeit he is quite their senior, only younger than morax, but then again what else can you expect from the bard of freedom.
@@umiprea Well Makoto is dead (spoilers I guess), so she doesn't. And Ei seems to be more or less neutral towards him, but seems to prefer not to be around him
I mean it's not really surprising. Venti used to be best friends with the Tsaritsa before the cataclysm. After whatever happened, she now absolutely loathes him. I feel when they finally reveal what Venti did, we might feel the same about him.
@@sson386 what did wanderer say about tsaritsa again? That love is also a curse? A sin? So really who's going to be hated at the end? And I mean the fatui and it's harbingers continue to create havoc and chaos but I guess let's focus on Venti and what he's supposedly did 500 years ago 😀
It's a euphemism. "A pot of sobering tea" means "I'm going to deliver a vicious ass-whooping"; so Zhongli's basically saying he's going to beat the everlasting shit out of Venti for 6 hours straight for getting Traveler drunk.
@@umiprea Evidence from Oractrice machine of hydro archon: Morax: “It reeks of wine. Have that bard (venti) has just been through here, has he? That drunkard is disgrace to the arts. Oh… has he tricked you into getting drunk? You are slurring a little” Basically describes venti that he sort of doesn’t deserve by “disgrace to the arts” From Ei: “when I first time met him, we knew we wouldn’t get along” If the couldn’t get along, then there sure must be something wrong
he already stepped down, and for what it is worth.....zhongli is very strict about contracts and so he will never take reigns of liyue again since it is quite literally past his time.
@@lostblueboythats not true,he has stepped down,but has made it clear through voice lines and archon quests that he will step in if liyue needs him His contract was to end the contract he made to protect them It doesn't say that he can't step back in Also,his "hello" voice line basically confirms that he sees this current life as a leave from archon buisness Idk how it works,but that's what he says "Zhongli" is the name he uses when he's on leave
Yknow I just noticed how Ei talks about Zhongli‘s decision - she says „So he made his choice“. Maybe it’s just the way it’s translated, but the phrasing makes it sound like she knew already of his plans. Which makes me wonder, how much do the archons know about what the Tsaritsa is planning? Do they know what she wishes to achieve? It sure seems like they approve (at least that is true for Venti, Zhongli and Ei). I wonder how far their support of what seems to be a rebellion against Celestia will extend, and whether they will play active parts in the coup. If so, then Focalors is also a likely candidate for the cause
i secretly hope focalors will at least put up a fight when it comes to giving the gnosis away. since the gnosis is a direct line to celestia, i hope in this way, fontaine would give us celestia lore
But why they even want to rebel against celestia? So far in our storyline celestia didnt do anything wrong, the threw big pillars to teyvat yes, but they must have their reason too right?
Fountain is out and damn that was good!! Too bad we didn't talk directly with focalor tho 😢 Natlan is still mysterious since we know a little things about that land
What interests me the most here is everyone seems to think the current electro archon is Baal(Makoto), instead of Beelzebul(Ei) and yet they also seem to remember she used to be a Kagemusha for Makoto. I don't think its a translation error because they could have fixed it by now. Perhaps the sakura seed twisted time in some weird manner? Or maybe they never knew Ei's demon name is Beelzebul? The later seems highly unlikely though. If only Nahida had archon-specific voicelines too...
Ei is just called Baal by the other Archons out of respect of her original status as Makoto's kagemusha, but they should know her real name, even if they don't comment on it.
So did Nahida visit each of the other archons in their dreams? She has been trapped in her cage since her birth, but they all seem to be well aquainted with her enough to know her pretty well. She also mentions that she has to make contact with them "again". So she must have had some contact with them
assuming you've played the Sumeru archon questline in full otherwise stop reading this as it's spoilers: Well technically they have all met "her" before as Nahida now is essentially Rukkhadevata. After Rukkhadevata was erased from history, all the mmeories and creating that had been attributed to Rukkhadevata or related to her in any way were rewritten to be Nahida. So Nahida is officially way older than 500 and has met all the archons 'before her birth' so to speak. But since Irminsul can't really create her memories of them and all of Rukkhadevata was destroyed, it's possible that Nahida's memories of the archons are mainly based on whatever images Irminsul simulated of them but nothing too personal that Rukkhadevata would have personally had, whereas they would know 'her' pretty "intimately"
SPOLERS: It's because after Nahida removed the forbidden knowledge in Irminsul, Lesser Lord Kusanali replaced Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's existence, which also means that in everyone's knowledge, Nahida was one of the original seven like Venti and Zhongli.
EXCEPT in Zhongli's memories. In one of his lines he said that only TWO (him and Venti) of the original Seven are still there. And that voice line has been updated but not changed. So maybe, and I say maybe... he somehow know something
Let's be real here. The wisdom she possesses would be far more powerful than any physical weapon. Fairly sure that in a battle of wits, she wouldn't lose, at least not easily. SPOILERS BELOW I mean, she did manage to bluff Dottore at the end of the main archon quest, and he's no slouch in the wisdom department either.
What interests me is that they all have memories with Nahida or well actually, Rukkhadevata. So if they ever do meet and talk about their memories with “her” to Nahida well she wouldn’t remember bc well..she isn’t really the same person.
Another intresting thing is that zhongli doesn't mention anything about buer's past unlike the others,who talk like they have known nahida But this guy only talks about what she has recently done This goes with the fact that he still mentions only 2 archons being around Ceo of Geo ain't beating the allegations of him being hella sus
he is not called barbatos maybe becuase he left the his job as a archon ages before anyone did and lived like venti for centuries.most likely explaination imo
Venti's entire gig is that he retired from being Barbatos somewhat immediately after taking the position, so he has gone by Venti longer than he ever vent by Barbatos. He probably even introduced himself to the other gods with Venti. Zhongli only recently retired from being Morax so that is what the others know him by
Based on their vls, you can have a rough idea about their relationship with each other. But I really find Zhongli and Ei’s vls about each other confusing. It’s like they’re friends/acquaintances and strangers at the same time🙃
Archons have two names. The name the use on a daily basis/informal/disguise and their demon/official names which they use when refering to each other Venti (common name) - Barbatos (formal) Zhong li - Morax Raiden Ei - Beelzebul Raiden Makoto - Baal Nahida - Buer Raiden shogun even says "So he(venti) still goes by 'that' name" implying archons are aware of other archons pretending to be common adventurers
@@changniere7696 adding on to that, Nahida has the Lesser Lord Kusanali title that OP mentioned, which is similar to how people in Liyue address Morax (Zhongli) as Rex Lapis, or how people in Inazuma address Ei and Makoto as Raiden Shogun. My only issue with Nahida's title specifically is the fact that she is still called Lesser Lord when it should be turned into just Lord. Since Greater Lord Rukadevata (I know I butchered the spelling) no longer exists in the memories of Teyvat, there was only one Lord from the start, so there should not be any Greater or Lesser.
@@delbertwang8722 True. Should only be just Lord Kusanali since having "lesser" implies theres is/was someone greater. Probably a mistake on the writing department. Or... the "lesser" refers to her being *lesser* in power after the archon war. The "greater lord" is probably just Greater Lord *Kusanali* to thr people of sumeru now but im not sure tho
@@delbertwang8722 Lesser is in fact a mistranslation from Chinese/Japanese. Lesser is meant as little, because she is still a child. Like ''Little Lord Kusanali''. Of course, Little does not sound as formal as Lesser in English. They do kinda explain it in-game that she is called Lesser because she was ''reborn'', which is technically true. Rukenvanda and Kusanali are the same person. Nahida is based on the Buddhist Samsara Circle. After she dies, she is reincarnated.
@@changniere7696 No no, lesser here is not lesser in power or anything imperior. I don't know if there's a truly equivalent word in English, but "Lesser" here is the roughly translated prefix, it is similar to addressing something that is small but in a very *endearing* manner, but still needs to keep the formality. The english translation has been known to not be able to fully express all the puns as well as the nuances of conversation.
@@GameBreaker1055 According to some theories Zhongli is also an Descendant to Tevyat he is not born but he came from other world and in some artifacts set or in books it mentioned as descendant
i think it is because Zhongli's voiceline about others archon was not affected after the change in irminsul about rukhaddevata, he's still talking about him and the anemo archon being the only two originals archons left @@GameBreaker1055
It irks me so so much that among the archons everyone thinks Venti was the worst because of what happened in the cataclysm like everyone forgot all archons were there except rukkha. Like Venti doesn't deserve the hate. I mean heck prob every archon is bound to celestia so they gotta do what they're supposed to do. But no let's gang up on Venti. Don't project your hate towards him and say the others hate him too. No. Just no.
I mean we dont know what happen between them, it could be justify if what venti doing are the start of cataclysm... so we should see why they not like him as much
We know very little about the cataclysm and the contents of it. But we do know that Rukkhadevata, the previous Hydro archon and probably Barbatos were not present in khaenri'ah. Also, no. Venti is not hated by anyone because of the cataclysm, nor the other archons hate him. It's just how he is, an annoying friend that everyone can't help but complain about. Doesn't mean they hate him. Although I do understand that a part of the Genshin playerbase, specially those who are very little informed about things tends to cause problems and misunderstandings. But that's just a part of every fandom. There are those types of people everywhere so, just unfortunate.
@@justsomeguywithgreenhair Venti is never annoying. He isn't the hyper energetic shit people described him to be. There was never an instant that he was. I blame Paimon's script. Good on Venti for not taking shit from Paimon lol
@umiprea He copied Morax's seal and signed a contract with it as a prank. Casually showed up in Liyue right after the archon war, just to have a drink. An annoying friend doesn't have to be hyper energetic. They can just be carefree and fun-loving person.
@@justsomeguywithgreenhair that wasn't a prank he did that so the soldiers fighting alongside the Lawrence clan would finally see their follies and fight against tyranny. Barbatos didn't want to be an archon in the first place and we all know zhongli's character story is wildly misinterpreted when zhongli missed Venti so much when he hibernated for a thousand years. So no Venti was never annoying.
Wouldn't be amazing if the Archons have voicelines about all of their Vision Holders, based on their elements, example, Zhongli talking about Albedo, Gorou, Noelle and etc. , another example is them talking why their Vision Holders are deserving of receiving a vision or the things they like and dislikes on the Vision Holders.
“Am I likely to get blown away?”
-Venti, the god of Anemo
It does makes sense, if you blow the wind at an immoveable object, the wind shall backfires on you immediately
so everyone respects Buer, and loathes Venti...lol
nah man loathe is too strong of a word, plus they all are amicable to each other at worst and friendly at best. They just...like to pick on venti since he is quite the character, although albeit he is quite their senior, only younger than morax, but then again what else can you expect from the bard of freedom.
They don't loathe him lol they're friends teasing each other. I bet Makoto adores Venti 😭
@@umiprea Well Makoto is dead (spoilers I guess), so she doesn't. And Ei seems to be more or less neutral towards him, but seems to prefer not to be around him
I mean it's not really surprising. Venti used to be best friends with the Tsaritsa before the cataclysm. After whatever happened, she now absolutely loathes him. I feel when they finally reveal what Venti did, we might feel the same about him.
@@sson386 what did wanderer say about tsaritsa again? That love is also a curse? A sin? So really who's going to be hated at the end? And I mean the fatui and it's harbingers continue to create havoc and chaos but I guess let's focus on Venti and what he's supposedly did 500 years ago 😀
Can’t wait to hear the Fontaine Natlan and Sneznaya archons and. I want Dainsleif to roast every last one of them lol.
honestly, he would though, lol, can't wait for it!
Probably not Nahida as she was born after the cataclysm. Though I'm very curious what he will talk about her.
oh boy..
Poor venti saying a good word about everyone and the getting hated 😢 leave my cute lil bard boy alone man.
Venti = everyone's little brother
Ah yes. Zhongli. I'll wait 6 hours for the hangover tea. By that time, I'll be sober before I even take a sip 😂😂😂😂
It's a euphemism. "A pot of sobering tea" means "I'm going to deliver a vicious ass-whooping"; so Zhongli's basically saying he's going to beat the everlasting shit out of Venti for 6 hours straight for getting Traveler drunk.
Ei and Zhongli playing hopscotch with the other 2... That is not a mental image I thought I would need until I heard it. So cute!
so venti is hated nahida is loved and raiden and zonghli are treated by mixed feelings
No Venti is not hated. Omg
@@umiprea Evidence from Oractrice machine of hydro archon:
Morax:
“It reeks of wine. Have that bard (venti) has just been through here, has he? That drunkard is disgrace to the arts. Oh… has he tricked you into getting drunk? You are slurring a little”
Basically describes venti that he sort of doesn’t deserve by “disgrace to the arts”
From Ei:
“when I first time met him, we knew we wouldn’t get along”
If the couldn’t get along, then there sure must be something wrong
@@DaNiceGuy you haven't met old friends that tease like this????? Have you read Zhongli's story 5?????
@@umiprea no, i don’t even have him
@@DaNiceGuy my point. Read everything before coming to conclusion.
Ngl Zhongli's intrigue about Baal's eternity is kinda scary. Bro better not make a bad decision...
I would LOVE to see them box bro.
he already stepped down, and for what it is worth.....zhongli is very strict about contracts and so he will never take reigns of liyue again since it is quite literally past his time.
@@lostblueboythats not true,he has stepped down,but has made it clear through voice lines and archon quests that he will step in if liyue needs him
His contract was to end the contract he made to protect them
It doesn't say that he can't step back in
Also,his "hello" voice line basically confirms that he sees this current life as a leave from archon buisness
Idk how it works,but that's what he says
"Zhongli" is the name he uses when he's on leave
Yknow I just noticed how Ei talks about Zhongli‘s decision - she says „So he made his choice“. Maybe it’s just the way it’s translated, but the phrasing makes it sound like she knew already of his plans. Which makes me wonder, how much do the archons know about what the Tsaritsa is planning? Do they know what she wishes to achieve? It sure seems like they approve (at least that is true for Venti, Zhongli and Ei). I wonder how far their support of what seems to be a rebellion against Celestia will extend, and whether they will play active parts in the coup. If so, then Focalors is also a likely candidate for the cause
i secretly hope focalors will at least put up a fight when it comes to giving the gnosis away. since the gnosis is a direct line to celestia, i hope in this way, fontaine would give us celestia lore
But why they even want to rebel against celestia? So far in our storyline celestia didnt do anything wrong, the threw big pillars to teyvat yes, but they must have their reason too right?
@@hysh9483destruction of Khaeneri’ah an death of Tsarista’s lover.
do i have news for you@@ilovepalitaw
Fountain is out and damn that was good!! Too bad we didn't talk directly with focalor tho 😢 Natlan is still mysterious since we know a little things about that land
What interests me the most here is everyone seems to think the current electro archon is Baal(Makoto), instead of Beelzebul(Ei) and yet they also seem to remember she used to be a Kagemusha for Makoto. I don't think its a translation error because they could have fixed it by now. Perhaps the sakura seed twisted time in some weird manner? Or maybe they never knew Ei's demon name is Beelzebul? The later seems highly unlikely though. If only Nahida had archon-specific voicelines too...
Ei is just called Baal by the other Archons out of respect of her original status as Makoto's kagemusha, but they should know her real name, even if they don't comment on it.
Pretty much because she was Makoto's shadow. So they were basically one
I think the name’s are wrong. Beelzebud was makoto and ei is baal( that’s what yae miko said in the archon quest or maybe I’m wrong)
Its because in jp (also most likely Chinese) she is baalzebub. Both of them can be called baal.
@@Knkrocha03 scaramouche calls her beelzebul during his boss fight.. it is probably just an error
The only one who can get to Zhongli is Venti 😂
So did Nahida visit each of the other archons in their dreams? She has been trapped in her cage since her birth, but they all seem to be well aquainted with her enough to know her pretty well. She also mentions that she has to make contact with them "again". So she must have had some contact with them
assuming you've played the Sumeru archon questline in full otherwise stop reading this as it's spoilers:
Well technically they have all met "her" before as Nahida now is essentially Rukkhadevata. After Rukkhadevata was erased from history, all the mmeories and creating that had been attributed to Rukkhadevata or related to her in any way were rewritten to be Nahida. So Nahida is officially way older than 500 and has met all the archons 'before her birth' so to speak. But since Irminsul can't really create her memories of them and all of Rukkhadevata was destroyed, it's possible that Nahida's memories of the archons are mainly based on whatever images Irminsul simulated of them but nothing too personal that Rukkhadevata would have personally had, whereas they would know 'her' pretty "intimately"
SPOLERS:
It's because after Nahida removed the forbidden knowledge in Irminsul, Lesser Lord Kusanali replaced Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's existence, which also means that in everyone's knowledge, Nahida was one of the original seven like Venti and Zhongli.
EXCEPT in Zhongli's memories. In one of his lines he said that only TWO (him and Venti) of the original Seven are still there. And that voice line has been updated but not changed. So maybe, and I say maybe... he somehow know something
@@giuseppevisconti3284 you watched Wei's theory too right? What a banger of a video that was.
Getting the Archons together to see them play games again would truly be entertaining :). Please let us have it someday!!
Can't wait to hear what Venti has to say about the Hydro Archon. I don't have him sadly (I only have Nahida) but I can still hear it on youtube.
ngl i guess they scare of nahida becuase the power she posses
so they talk about her respectfully
Let's be real here. The wisdom she possesses would be far more powerful than any physical weapon. Fairly sure that in a battle of wits, she wouldn't lose, at least not easily.
SPOILERS BELOW
I mean, she did manage to bluff Dottore at the end of the main archon quest, and he's no slouch in the wisdom department either.
Haha perhaps, perhaps. But that is very unlikely. She is respected because she holds a very big responsibility.
Strongest Archon? Actually could be tho
nahida just wanted to play hopscotch
Till this day I still don't understand why Anne redid the lines. She sounded a little bit different first
I love how everyone knows Buer, and shes just like:
*"Huh?"*
Btw, we should get all of their Archon clothes as skins...maybe swap Ventis with Raidens?
True!!
What interests me is that they all have memories with Nahida or well actually, Rukkhadevata. So if they ever do meet and talk about their memories with “her” to Nahida well she wouldn’t remember bc well..she isn’t really the same person.
Ahh who is Rukhadevata?? 💀💀
Another intresting thing is that zhongli doesn't mention anything about buer's past unlike the others,who talk like they have known nahida
But this guy only talks about what she has recently done
This goes with the fact that he still mentions only 2 archons being around
Ceo of Geo ain't beating the allegations of him being hella sus
when zhongli talk bout venti, he sound like an exhausted parents lmao
kinda sus raiden saying "His story is no where finished yet" about zhongli
If I'm going to joint with archon's group better i going to alone and find the Sora
FIRST OMF SHE POSTED
TY
1:22 "it will be ready only in 6 hours" like really thats a really long time to brew tea
Why did Venti didn't say Buer but the dendro archon? Why is it About Venti and not about Barbatos? VENTI!!!!!!!!
he is not called barbatos maybe becuase he left the his job as a archon ages before anyone did and lived like venti for centuries.most likely explaination imo
Venti's entire gig is that he retired from being Barbatos somewhat immediately after taking the position, so he has gone by Venti longer than he ever vent by Barbatos.
He probably even introduced himself to the other gods with Venti.
Zhongli only recently retired from being Morax so that is what the others know him by
I honestly wanna be the one to introduce Nahida to zhongli
mori in genshin is creepy
(i swear, this va follows me in every new fandom i join 😭)
Based on their vls, you can have a rough idea about their relationship with each other.
But I really find Zhongli and Ei’s vls about each other confusing. It’s like they’re friends/acquaintances and strangers at the same time🙃
Omg I thought Zhongli had a better voice then an old man 😭
The voice kind of sound like William’s from FNAF 💀
1 More Patch and we should be able to hear all their thoughts on Focalors, can't wait to see where she falls in the feelings of the other 4
I feel like it was pain getting all the characters
So is the Dendro archon named Buer or nahida, or the lesser lord title, I’m just asking so I don’t use the wrong name
Archons have two names. The name the use on a daily basis/informal/disguise and their demon/official names which they use when refering to each other
Venti (common name) - Barbatos (formal)
Zhong li - Morax
Raiden Ei - Beelzebul
Raiden Makoto - Baal
Nahida - Buer
Raiden shogun even says "So he(venti) still goes by 'that' name" implying archons are aware of other archons pretending to be common adventurers
@@changniere7696 adding on to that, Nahida has the Lesser Lord Kusanali title that OP mentioned, which is similar to how people in Liyue address Morax (Zhongli) as Rex Lapis, or how people in Inazuma address Ei and Makoto as Raiden Shogun.
My only issue with Nahida's title specifically is the fact that she is still called Lesser Lord when it should be turned into just Lord. Since Greater Lord Rukadevata (I know I butchered the spelling) no longer exists in the memories of Teyvat, there was only one Lord from the start, so there should not be any Greater or Lesser.
@@delbertwang8722 True. Should only be just Lord Kusanali since having "lesser" implies theres is/was someone greater. Probably a mistake on the writing department.
Or... the "lesser" refers to her being *lesser* in power after the archon war. The "greater lord" is probably just Greater Lord *Kusanali* to thr people of sumeru now but im not sure tho
@@delbertwang8722 Lesser is in fact a mistranslation from Chinese/Japanese. Lesser is meant as little, because she is still a child. Like ''Little Lord Kusanali''. Of course, Little does not sound as formal as Lesser in English. They do kinda explain it in-game that she is called Lesser because she was ''reborn'', which is technically true.
Rukenvanda and Kusanali are the same person. Nahida is based on the Buddhist Samsara Circle. After she dies, she is reincarnated.
@@changniere7696 No no, lesser here is not lesser in power or anything imperior. I don't know if there's a truly equivalent word in English, but "Lesser" here is the roughly translated prefix, it is similar to addressing something that is small but in a very *endearing* manner, but still needs to keep the formality. The english translation has been known to not be able to fully express all the puns as well as the nuances of conversation.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Zhongli about venti
Does only Zhongli know about the irimnisul or other archons affected by memory wipe except Morax
What makes you think that Zhonglis is not effected? Any being born on Teyvat is
@@GameBreaker1055 According to some theories Zhongli is also an Descendant to Tevyat he is not born but he came from other world and in some artifacts set or in books it mentioned as descendant
i think it is because Zhongli's voiceline about others archon was not affected after the change in irminsul about rukhaddevata, he's still talking about him and the anemo archon being the only two originals archons left @@GameBreaker1055
Six hours💀
It irks me so so much that among the archons everyone thinks Venti was the worst because of what happened in the cataclysm like everyone forgot all archons were there except rukkha. Like Venti doesn't deserve the hate. I mean heck prob every archon is bound to celestia so they gotta do what they're supposed to do. But no let's gang up on Venti. Don't project your hate towards him and say the others hate him too. No. Just no.
I mean we dont know what happen between them, it could be justify if what venti doing are the start of cataclysm... so we should see why they not like him as much
We know very little about the cataclysm and the contents of it. But we do know that Rukkhadevata, the previous Hydro archon and probably Barbatos were not present in khaenri'ah.
Also, no. Venti is not hated by anyone because of the cataclysm, nor the other archons hate him. It's just how he is, an annoying friend that everyone can't help but complain about. Doesn't mean they hate him. Although I do understand that a part of the Genshin playerbase, specially those who are very little informed about things tends to cause problems and misunderstandings. But that's just a part of every fandom. There are those types of people everywhere so, just unfortunate.
@@justsomeguywithgreenhair Venti is never annoying. He isn't the hyper energetic shit people described him to be. There was never an instant that he was. I blame Paimon's script. Good on Venti for not taking shit from Paimon lol
@umiprea He copied Morax's seal and signed a contract with it as a prank. Casually showed up in Liyue right after the archon war, just to have a drink. An annoying friend doesn't have to be hyper energetic. They can just be carefree and fun-loving person.
@@justsomeguywithgreenhair that wasn't a prank he did that so the soldiers fighting alongside the Lawrence clan would finally see their follies and fight against tyranny. Barbatos didn't want to be an archon in the first place and we all know zhongli's character story is wildly misinterpreted when zhongli missed Venti so much when he hibernated for a thousand years. So no Venti was never annoying.
Wouldn't be amazing if the Archons have voicelines about all of their Vision Holders, based on their elements, example, Zhongli talking about Albedo, Gorou, Noelle and etc. , another example is them talking why their Vision Holders are deserving of receiving a vision or the things they like and dislikes on the Vision Holders.
He's wrong about the traveler "defeating" ei. All we did was stop a SINGLE slash of her WEAKEST attack..
He defeated her with power of plot armour