Why Admiral Motti Thought He Could Disrespect Vader Without Consequences! (Legends)

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    The Non-Canon Expert explains why Admiral Motti was driven to foolishly confront and disrespect Darth Vader in the main conference room of the Death Star as seen in A New Hope, throwing away any caution in dealing with the Sith Lord and his fearsome reputation.
    This is a Legends story for Admiral Motti with information from the novel "Death Star" by Michael Reaves and Steve Perry. I hope that you enjoy it!
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  • @turdferguson9356
    @turdferguson9356 Před 5 lety +2131

    his lack of faith was disturbing

    • @THEMNVCLAN
      @THEMNVCLAN Před 5 lety +2

      Blake Nestell was

    • @ianmcnab8751
      @ianmcnab8751 Před 5 lety +9

      Frankly Vader was the one with a lack of faith,... in the Death Star.

    • @thalmoragent9344
      @thalmoragent9344 Před 5 lety +11

      ian mcnab
      It was well placed tho.... even Thrawn, an extremely intelligent being, disagreed with it.

    • @ianmcnab8751
      @ianmcnab8751 Před 5 lety +9

      Legendary Broly Boi I agree. Evidently Vader and thrawn were correct... all I was saying was tht Vader had a lack of faith in the Death Star.

    • @emperorcheese2370
      @emperorcheese2370 Před 5 lety +1

      FAITH!!!

  • @victorbruant389
    @victorbruant389 Před 5 lety +1987

    Because he wasn't careful enough not to choke on his aspirations.

  • @jrlpixels421
    @jrlpixels421 Před 5 lety +243

    I just love how calm Vader is in this scene. He's just casually walks on over, starts choking the guy and says something sarcastic.

    • @seneca983
      @seneca983 Před 2 lety +2

      Though I thought the dark side was all about not being calm. In a way, Kylo Ren seems to better exemplify the philosophy of the dark side than Darth Vader.

    • @adarshkamoda9183
      @adarshkamoda9183 Před 2 lety +1

      Motti is absolutely ranting because of his power high and Darth Vader puts the Admiral in his place with the menial gesture of closing three of his fingers in the laziest way possible and meekly telling the man that the Emperor's enforcer was 'disturbed'.

    • @adarshkamoda9183
      @adarshkamoda9183 Před 2 lety +6

      @@seneca983 Kylo Ren is definitely a Dark Sider, don't get me wrong but Vader drowns himself in his failures to remember everything wrong with him every day, his suit and injuries always causing him excruciating pain and to top it all of he meditates to increase his power in the Dark Side.
      Kylo Ren is comparatively a child. By himself, Kylo's lethality lies in his utter unpredictability. He is the inherent chaos of the Dark Side, where Darth Vader was it's dominating power.
      Still, "calm" was too generous a word. It'd be more accurate to describe Vader as "empty" or just barely annoyed enough to Force Choke the Admiral.

  • @hunterkiller1440
    @hunterkiller1440 Před 5 lety +279

    He didn't look angry... he looked smug.

    • @FerretBarret
      @FerretBarret Před 3 lety +6

      And there's his smudgeness

    • @enlyr4069
      @enlyr4069 Před 3 lety +6

      One can conceal anger, but not emotion. His pride and arrogance over his argument made him smug.

  • @EM-lz4rb
    @EM-lz4rb Před 5 lety +1093

    Admiral Motti thought he had the high ground.

    • @streetkombat6088
      @streetkombat6088 Před 5 lety +40

      E M hahaha Clearly Darth Vader had the high ground since he was standing up.

    • @elrockerchido
      @elrockerchido Před 5 lety +27

      E M lol motti was foolish, thinking that while Vader being the only one standing up and being the tallest lol

    • @dankcitrus42
      @dankcitrus42 Před 5 lety +6

      thats what he gets

    • @darthsidious1183
      @darthsidious1183 Před 4 lety +6

      Dead, admiral motti sure is.

    • @sjsharp2007
      @sjsharp2007 Před 4 lety +1

      @@streetkombat6088 yeah h wasn' tabout t omake that mistake again.

  • @timmorris2048
    @timmorris2048 Před 5 lety +242

    One of the things I love about that scene is the other officers sitting around the table with looks that say "yeah, I saw that coming."

    • @Mgauge
      @Mgauge Před 4 lety +10

      Tim Morris It’s Vader. He chokes at least three officers a week.

    • @BarterTom
      @BarterTom Před 4 lety +21

      Tarkin’s just like “You fucking idiot Motti”.

    • @ridethelapras
      @ridethelapras Před 4 lety +31

      Not to mention, Vader almost choked some guy to death, and Tarkin calls it “pointless bickering”.

    • @paxnorth7304
      @paxnorth7304 Před 4 lety +3

      want see edit where Vito from the Sopranos is dropped in that scene saying that exact line

    • @tankmorgan9584
      @tankmorgan9584 Před 4 lety

      absolutly!

  • @insertname5971
    @insertname5971 Před 4 lety +65

    "leT mE iNSuLT tHE 2Nd MosT pOWeRfUl pErSoN iN tHe EmPiRe KnOwN fOr KiLlIng HiS sTaFf" - motti

    • @mattstorm360
      @mattstorm360 Před 3 lety +1

      Next to Tarkin. So he's mostly safe...

    • @aguy7848
      @aguy7848 Před 2 lety +2

      Well he didn't believe the rumors of Vader s superpowers and short temper, and knew that Tarkin was right there and held a higher rank at the time than Vader (by Palpatine's design to humiliate Vader) and wouldn't just allow him to kill someone right in middle of a meeting, which proved true. "ENOUGH of this. Vader, release him!"

  • @enoughothis
    @enoughothis Před 5 lety +1422

    Mocking a man's religion is a good way to get yourself in trouble with HR, just saying...

  • @Dotmw
    @Dotmw Před 4 lety +18

    Insulting a 7ft tall murder cyborg with magic and a laser sword counts as suicide

  • @pelinalwhitestrake8195
    @pelinalwhitestrake8195 Před 3 lety +18

    Motti:The Force is weak compared to the Death Star
    Nihilus: *Looks at a planet with hunger*

    • @Neobahamutfr36
      @Neobahamutfr36 Před 2 lety +2

      As long as it's not Ziost, since Vitiate already got there ^^"

  • @i_chosen_one_ips432
    @i_chosen_one_ips432 Před 5 lety +698

    I find his lack of faith disturbing

  • @shadeofshattered3
    @shadeofshattered3 Před 5 lety +599

    These imperial officers have no sense of respect of each other they are just as bad as sith wanting to over throw eachother

    • @williamhoang4077
      @williamhoang4077 Před 5 lety +90

      jon kidd That’s why Vader didn’t really like Admirals. They acted like Sith but weren’t Sith. They can’t fight.

    • @dantehaskell5688
      @dantehaskell5688 Před 5 lety +15

      Yeah I see it now

    • @jamesricker3997
      @jamesricker3997 Před 5 lety +54

      That's the way Palpatine wanted it.
      It was the Sith way

    • @NoTimeAllTime
      @NoTimeAllTime Před 5 lety +66

      I have said it once and I will say it again, the sith way might be...okay for space wizards but it does not for a effective military make.

    • @slurp3194
      @slurp3194 Před 5 lety

      jon kidd my guy thats most humans

  • @Ruosteinenknight
    @Ruosteinenknight Před 5 lety +551

    Vader also has the benefit of experience on his side. When he still was Anakin Skywalker he saw first hand how vulnerable super weapons actually are, as he destroyed one himself.

    • @MrTerz95
      @MrTerz95 Před 5 lety +5

      RustyKn1ght which one?

    • @andrew12bravo21
      @andrew12bravo21 Před 5 lety +8

      hope u aren't talking about that Lucrehulk in episode 1

    • @Ruosteinenknight
      @Ruosteinenknight Před 5 lety +92

      @@MrTerz95 "Malevolence"-cruiser. While it was pretty small fry in superweapon-scale, it still had the same flaws as most superweapons: it took lot of resources to build and maintain and was quite easily destroyed: Anakin wired it's nav-computer to make hyper space jump into a moon. Pretty embarassing end for a battle cruiser that was supposed to be unstoppable.

    • @Ruosteinenknight
      @Ruosteinenknight Před 5 lety +26

      @@andrew12bravo21 Close, but no. I'm talking about "malevolence" cruiser.

    • @MrTerz95
      @MrTerz95 Před 5 lety +3

      RustyKn1ght ohh yeah you’re right!!

  • @tintindb
    @tintindb Před 5 lety +352

    If memory serves, at the time ('78) most of us (audience) didn't know who the asthmatic sounding dude in black standing at the back (not even sitting like the rest uniforms) was. It was only when Motti started choking that we got it. Was this the director's way of showing us what this character could do? (Lucky this force choke is applied only above the belt....)

    • @derekhartenstine8545
      @derekhartenstine8545 Před 5 lety +7

      Until Family Guy: Something, something Dark Side.

    • @yellow_x522
      @yellow_x522 Před 4 lety +1

      😂😂

    • @christiandavis9031
      @christiandavis9031 Před 4 lety +4

      1977

    • @Sinn0100
      @Sinn0100 Před 4 lety +21

      I wasn't alive for the first film but I did see the other two in the theaters. George Lucas truly knew how to build a character that was feared. Darth Vader's powers were slowly leaked as the films progressed. Even though I was very young, I remember literal gasps in the audience when we finally found out who Luke's real father was....it was cinematic history.
      Looking at Star Wars today...the only thing people gasp at is how poorly written it is. The Disney abortion takes everything good about the films and destroys it. Rey could have been a good character had Disney taken the time to show even the slightest reverence to the series. She doesn't struggle, she doesn't need training, she literally beats Kylo Ren, a fully trained Sith the first time she picks up a lightsaber. Kylo Ren is so laughably weak and cardboard thin that I could see a group of high schoolers creating the character. Hell, the only thing Disney has done right so far was to show Vader rampaging in Rogue One. That scene paints what a Sith Lord would likely do against his enemies.

    • @nohints
      @nohints Před 4 lety +4

      @Sinn0100 100% spot on mate. I haven't seen 9 yet, but I'm not holding out much hope. The fact that Kylo Ren (descendant of the Skywalkers, trained by a Jedi master and Sith master for years) is trashed by a rando woman with ZERO training (twice) is so retarded that I don't even know what to do. Remember when Anakin trained for TEN YEARS and was still an apprentice? MaRey sure doesn't. (That would be the patriarchy.) But even this is nothing compared to the ludicrous insult of what happened to Luke in 8. ***SPOILERS*** This useless weakling Kylo is nothing compared to MaRey, yet Luke dies to DISTRACT him, not even injure him! And Luke doesn't even get to die honorably, in battle! Fcuk you Kathleen.
      But yeah the Rogue One Vader scenes are some of my favourite in the entire series lol.

  • @Vistico93
    @Vistico93 Před 3 lety +31

    While I'm gonna guess Motti died when the Death Star exploded, I'll admit I like the idea that Tarkin sent him away after that scene just to keep Vader calm and that he lived a long life bragging about how he not only confronted Vader but lived to tell (everyone whether they wanted to hear it or not) about it because he just seems like that kinda guy

    • @Stussmeister
      @Stussmeister Před 8 měsíci +2

      Indeed, it would seem his level of ego wouldn't allow him (or anyone else) to forget that he'd survived talking back to the Emperor's enforcer. From what we learn in another SWRC video, though, Motti behaved in a manner completely opposite to that of Tarkin upon learning that proton torpedoes had been fired down the exhaust port, running around and screaming while the Grand Moff remained calm.

  • @nikik5567
    @nikik5567 Před 5 lety +115

    It does seem very odd that an admiral wouldn’t know of Vader’s favourite pastime of force choking imperial officers.

    • @joefloggg3257
      @joefloggg3257 Před 5 lety +19

      If you weren't aware of force sensitive being real, would you believe the rumor mill surrounding Darth Vadar.

    • @edsr164
      @edsr164 Před 4 lety +16

      I would believe that a better explanation was he felt safe where he was, that he thought Vader wouldn’t choke him because of his position and job in the Death Star

  • @RyanTheDark
    @RyanTheDark Před 5 lety +418

    He was a fool. That all that can be say.

    • @cjfrost1441
      @cjfrost1441 Před 5 lety

      This video proves that wrong.

    • @johnhoran9840
      @johnhoran9840 Před 5 lety +11

      If not for Tarkin, they would've carried his corpse out of that conference room.

    • @ischemic2115
      @ischemic2115 Před 5 lety

      All that can be say, huh.

    • @Historyfan476AD
      @Historyfan476AD Před 5 lety

      Tarkin's face when Motti said that and got forced choked was hilarious. it was the face you give to an idiot asking for tor it.

    • @csc4781
      @csc4781 Před 3 lety

      @@cjfrost1441 Motti was very arrogant

  • @Fredo63200
    @Fredo63200 Před 5 lety +70

    He did it so the spectator could witness Vader's force choke power.

    • @rikk319
      @rikk319 Před 5 lety +12

      Yes. It was just Lucas' way of showing that Vader was more than just a scary-looking guy--he had special, mysterious Force powers.

  • @johntheechidna1
    @johntheechidna1 Před 5 lety +9

    I like it when Vader walked toward Motti like, "Okay, here we go..."

  • @MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo
    @MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo Před 5 lety +275

    2 things- First, Vader was right about the Death Star. "This technological monstrosity you've built pales in significance next to the power of the Force." The Death Star was destroyed by a force sensitive pilot using Jedi or Force Focus to bullseye 2 proton torpedoes down a 2 meter shaft- indeed, the most powerful weapon ever created was destroyed by the force. Second, they need a fan made caption in that scene in the movie where Motti first starts choking with the caption reading thusly "It was at this moment that he knew he had f*cked up!"

    • @nidhinninan1071
      @nidhinninan1071 Před 5 lety +4

      So that’s how the meme started

    • @CaptianObvious2000
      @CaptianObvious2000 Před 5 lety +11

      Let us not forget the shot would have been impossible if not for the force being used. It was an exhaust port, as in it blew out air from the core. More importantly, it was THE exhaust port, and about two meters long. Air pushed out parallel to the Death Star, therefore there is a bend for the exhaust port, of 90 degrees, and pumped out all the exhaust from the furl source of perhaps one of, if not the, largest engine ever. Correct me if I am wrong, but the core should be producing exhaust as it burns up fuel in order to run the generators, which are massive, to power the entire station. If not for the force, the torpedoes should have been pushed back, or at least hit the back of the bend in the port, and created a hole, possibly taking out the top of the port. You would need at least two ships, both being orthogonal to one another, to take down the ship, one to destroy the port, the other to shoot a torpedo down into the core.

    • @someguy7703
      @someguy7703 Před 5 lety +3

      Don't forget it was an exaustion pipe of which everything that enters the hole would be blown out and the end of the exaustion pipe is bent becouse of a protective thing over it. The force is just too powerful to mess with.

    • @MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo
      @MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo Před 5 lety +2

      @Nazik Adam It was a paraphrase, and the gist is the same. Dude was talking sh*t to the wrong person.

    • @Phatooine
      @Phatooine Před 5 lety +8

      The actual quote is:
      Don't be too proud of this technological terror you have constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is i͟n͟s͟i͟g͟n͟i͟f͟i͟c͟a͟n͟t next to the power of the Force.

  • @gc6096
    @gc6096 Před 5 lety +62

    I know why he did that. He found Vader’s lack of faith in the battle station quite disturbing.

  • @C0ldIron
    @C0ldIron Před 3 lety +5

    You failed to mention that he was the nephew of Tarken and while Vader held a vague position as the emperor's enforcer Tarken was the one in charge of the deathstar and so in Motti's mind put Tarken above Vader. The radio drama of New Hope also has Motti whispering words of ambition into his uncles ear. Telling him that not even the emperor could do anything to oppose them.

  • @CaptianObvious2000
    @CaptianObvious2000 Před 5 lety +8

    You have to love the fact that Motti and Han both didn’t understand the force exists, despite them both appearing to be over 20 years old (at least old enough they would have lived during the time of the Jedi and order 66).

  • @JeanLucCaptain
    @JeanLucCaptain Před 5 lety +14

    because he was too proud of the death star to recognize the TRUE TECHNOLOGICAL TERROR IN THE ROOM.

  • @Wimplo86
    @Wimplo86 Před 5 lety +13

    Also, he's an admiral in the most powerful military force at the time, I'm sure that got to his head. The galaxy is a big place so even hearing "reports" or "rumors" of Vader's power would be put off as Solo would say, "Simple tricks and nonsense".

  • @imperialistopinions2276
    @imperialistopinions2276 Před 5 lety +99

    Motti after being choked: Mistakes were made.

  • @21Wyvern
    @21Wyvern Před 5 lety +140

    Ironic that Vader pittied Motti. If he had been force sensitive, Motti would have theoretically been the perfect Sith apprintance. His raw seething temper, coupled with his lusrlt for power would have seen him under Vader, rather his temporary force punching bag in episode four.

    • @Rg-fp2vg
      @Rg-fp2vg Před 5 lety +17

      Ray
      Too bad Vader would have killed him in a way to secure his position.

    • @theguybehindyou4762
      @theguybehindyou4762 Před 5 lety +3

      Now you got me curious: What if Vader encountered force resistance from Motti in that moment, and that was why he allowed him to live? What if he then decided to make Motti his apprentice, for whatever reason?

    • @mikec1222
      @mikec1222 Před 5 lety +8

      @@theguybehindyou4762 Motti was spared because Tarkin outranked Vader so he had to do what Tarkin said, and Tarkin said to stop

    • @worshiptheanimal
      @worshiptheanimal Před 4 lety +3

      @@mikec1222 I find it funny how Tarkin outranks him, he must've hated it, being a powerful sith lord and yet being outranked by an old man.

    • @worshiptheanimal
      @worshiptheanimal Před 4 lety +1

      @@wetfart420
      Read my comment again, I never said he hated tarkin.

  • @randodad990
    @randodad990 Před 5 lety +70

    ❤ the legends videos keep doing what your doing we'll get our friends back!!!!

  • @stephendevore9362
    @stephendevore9362 Před 5 lety +4

    Thanks for explaining Admiral Motti and his miss judgement of Vader's ability . My assessment of the relationships is one of so much arrogant attitudes in the Empire the left hand does not know what right hand is doing.

  • @ZontarDow
    @ZontarDow Před 5 lety +3

    Everyone remembers Motti, no one ever remembers that one subordinate Vader had who openly questioned his competence without even getting a verbal response from him.

    • @marrqi7wini54
      @marrqi7wini54 Před 5 lety

      Who and where?

    • @ZontarDow
      @ZontarDow Před 5 lety

      @@marrqi7wini54 When Vader first meets Leia on the Tantive, when he was done talking to her one of his subordinates basically read him the riot act and he just shrugged it off instead of attacking him.

    • @kalifogg6610
      @kalifogg6610 Před 5 lety +1

      @@ZontarDow I heard it was the guy's, Daine Jir, job to remind Vader of potential pitfalls that could harm the Empire and he also remains respectful the entire time and it's condescending like Motti and it more asking Vader what his plans are to prevent the Senate from learning about the attack on Leia's ship and reminds him that she's going to be a hard nut to crack and Vader then instructs him to make it seem that they only were answering a distress signal from Leia's ship and everyone was dead when they arrived.

  • @brandonb9664
    @brandonb9664 Před 5 lety +23

    He was lucky that was all he got! A Sith will suffer no fools within in circle!

    • @robertagu5533
      @robertagu5533 Před 5 lety +4

      I'm sure he'd made a hell of an example of Motti if he'd dared do something like that again

  • @viperzerofsx
    @viperzerofsx Před 5 lety +31

    Its worth pointing out in the original 1976 novelization Vader is describe as a General, loyal to the emperor but not necessarily Palpatine's right hand man. This is the original reason Vader is taking orders from Tarkin the local viceroy. So all the other Generals and Admirals are Vaders peers officially and its not shocking they might talk back to him, even if he is personally closer to the Emperor and can get away with chocking someone in a heated argument. Its not till empire strikes back when all the senior officers are dead Vader chokes subordinates left and right.

    • @mikedeck8381
      @mikedeck8381 Před 5 lety +4

      Its been a very long time since I read it but wasn't it implied that the Emperor was weak and that Tarkin might supplant him since he held the real power as commander of the Death Star?

    • @viperzerofsx
      @viperzerofsx Před 5 lety +7

      @@mikedeck8381 Yea! or rather he had really stepped back and was letting his the Tarkins of the galaxy run things. Its actually not clear if he is even "evil" because even though he overthrew the republic it was initially because the republic had grown corrupt and he was gunna help the downtrodden. Its fascinating some of the early work for contex

    • @TheZombielayer
      @TheZombielayer Před 5 lety +5

      @@viperzerofsx Funny, so palpy went from a Caesar type emperor, to a Hitler emperor.

    • @SalvableRuin
      @SalvableRuin Před 4 lety +1

      It’s CHOKING

  • @lunariety
    @lunariety Před 5 lety +11

    "So there we have it, a minor defence for stupid Motti."

  • @GothamKnight84661
    @GothamKnight84661 Před 5 lety +19

    Motti was a fool to disrespect Vader. His lack of faith is offensive.

    • @enki6676
      @enki6676 Před 5 lety +1

      Vader got all triggered. 'Did you just assume my faith, you force-o-phobic bigot? Reeee!'

  • @laxus155
    @laxus155 Před 5 lety +10

    It all boils down to him being completely incompetent
    You never talk back to Vader under any circumstance

    • @SonofSethoitae
      @SonofSethoitae Před 5 lety +1

      Even discounting all of his obvious physical advantages against an unarmed opponent, Vader could just have had him shot out an airlock in the night. Nobody would ever ask any questions.

  • @chrisp7110
    @chrisp7110 Před 4 lety +2

    He was brave enough to speak out. Everyone else at the table were scared to speak up even though they were thinking the same thing

  • @zoidberg8960
    @zoidberg8960 Před 4 lety +2

    [ Vader enters chat room ]
    [ Motti uses *pocket sand* ]

  • @quetzalthegamer
    @quetzalthegamer Před 2 lety +1

    This extra context makes that scene so much deeper now.

  • @abdulbah2176
    @abdulbah2176 Před 5 lety +27

    It's obvious Motti didn't watch Rogue One

  • @MidnightDStroyer
    @MidnightDStroyer Před 3 lety +3

    Also, the Emperor had put Vader *under* the command of Grand Moff Tarkin. Subsequently, when Tarkin told Vader to release Motti from the Force Choke, he had to. Make no mistake, if it weren't for this, Motti would have died where he sat.

  • @Cuban20
    @Cuban20 Před 5 lety +20

    "So there we have it, a defense for stupid Motti"
    😆

    • @streetkombat6088
      @streetkombat6088 Před 5 lety +4

      It sounded funny the way he said it. Hahaha

    • @Cuban20
      @Cuban20 Před 5 lety +3

      @@streetkombat6088 Or his last comments at every video. Lol guy always cheers me up. This is one of them feel good channels that feels like drinking hot coco on a winter night. Never fails to brighten my day.

    • @streetkombat6088
      @streetkombat6088 Před 5 lety +3

      Juan Catalan You're right man. His videos are nice to watch. Yeah his last comment is hilarious and I always wonder what will he say next after "If not for me...." LoL I also watch StarWarsTheory as well. That guy does good imitations of Star Wars Characters.

    • @Cuban20
      @Cuban20 Před 5 lety +2

      @@streetkombat6088 Yes! I love Star Wars Theory too. He is a cool dude!

    • @streetkombat6088
      @streetkombat6088 Před 5 lety +2

      Juan Catalan Oh yes indeed!

  • @Arbiterrevan
    @Arbiterrevan Před 5 lety +1

    For despair.... man, this video was awesome. I loved it!

  • @tron1007r
    @tron1007r Před 3 lety

    Very well done. I appreciate this video.

  • @AlphonsoFrett-xz6pi
    @AlphonsoFrett-xz6pi Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks again for sharing the excellent video.

  • @ookook5717
    @ookook5717 Před 5 lety +2

    Because he thought because he got away with not going to your reading club

  • @Phoenix7786
    @Phoenix7786 Před 5 lety +41

    There's also the simple film explanation that the audience had to see the power Vader could wield and so constructed a scene with a cannon-fodder mook lipping off.

    • @pyxl666
      @pyxl666 Před 3 lety +1

      Yep and that's the complete boring, non-lore explanation that everyone knows and nobody cares much about. So good job :)

    • @fornax5798
      @fornax5798 Před 3 lety

      @@pyxl666 i partially agree, it's interesting to build up characters as much as possible to make them seem realistic. Take Maul, originally intended to simply get rid of Qui Gon, making Obi-wan the master of Anakin, before dying in the film. He went from a silent forgettable character to a unique tragic antagonist.

    • @Brantonellis
      @Brantonellis Před 2 lety

      @@fornax5798 so you don’t partially agree, you just agree haha

  • @socalcraigster
    @socalcraigster Před 4 lety +5

    He thought Vader didn’t have the makings of a varsity Sith Lord.

  • @ertymexx
    @ertymexx Před 3 lety +4

    The issue here is the inconsistency between the "old" Star Wars and the "new". Remember - Jedi are almost forgotten and the force seen as religious dogma at best, and as tricks at worst. This was before later movies made Vader out to be a constantly force-choking baddie that every imperial officer knew of and understood. More to the point, the scene was a part of the movie (along with Han's comment on "hokey religions" and Obi-Wan's telling of the recent history) showing that the Force was all but forgotten, and the Jedi and Sith passed into legend. Motti simply didn't believe that Vader had "magic" any more than we would believe that a local priest could call down god's wrath with a lightning from a clear sky (or any sky for that matter).
    It is kind of odd, of course, considering that Motti should have remembered the clone wars and the fall of the jedi order, but then all that wasn't thought out yet. So, inconsistency in storytelling. ;-)

  • @DarkPanda558
    @DarkPanda558 Před 5 lety +2

    He underestimated his POWER

  • @SGTBizarro
    @SGTBizarro Před 4 lety +3

    7 minutes to simply say... Motti was angry with Tagge, and his anger got the best of him during this debate, but he only lashed out at Vader the way he did because he wasn't fully aware of Vader's command of the Force.

  • @ddillard143
    @ddillard143 Před 5 lety +4

    It's safe to say after that choke he didn't have any lack of faith

  • @slimjim1002
    @slimjim1002 Před 5 lety +17

    Vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing
    Admiral: harder daddy

  • @jamalbaker4423
    @jamalbaker4423 Před 5 lety +1

    Before the force choke, Anakin used the force poke. It was Padme's favorite.

  • @DarthAlphaTheGreat
    @DarthAlphaTheGreat Před 5 lety +1

    It was a good moment narratively to show off Vader’s skill, foreshadowing the fall of the Death Star, ANd demonstrate some of the petty side of the Imperial Military.
    But an in universe explanation is nice too. :)

  • @TSPH1992
    @TSPH1992 Před 3 lety +1

    "You have failed me for the last time, motti"

  • @Henpitts
    @Henpitts Před 5 lety +1

    The actor that played him was at a comic book store opening near Atlanta about 10 years ago.

    • @Henpitts
      @Henpitts Před 5 lety +1

      Richard LeParmentier died in 2013.

  • @FriedrichHerschel
    @FriedrichHerschel Před 5 lety +4

    Personally, the best part of the scene is how Tarkin talked to Vader.

  • @Upsedriss
    @Upsedriss Před 5 lety +25

    I only watch Legends lore videos these days, and yours remain some of my favorites. Idk, I just do not care about Disney canon anymore personally.
    Either way, great video. Just recently finished reading Death Star myself, and absolutely loved it. I found all characters to be interesting to follow, especially growing to like Nova Stihl and Atour Riten. The only thing that took me out of the book ever so slightly was when Vader switched from his book dialogue to his movie lines. It just felt... a bit off to me for some reason. But I loved how much it added to ANH and the Death Star in general.
    Speaking of novels, you plan to do more reviews? Hell, I'd watch an unscripted video of you just giving your thoughts and feelings on a book. You just come across as a huge fan of the books and I would love to hear your thoughts on more of them.
    Keep up the good work!

  • @moekhn
    @moekhn Před 4 lety

    u know what i never gave star wars a second thought but watching these videos has me intrested

  • @richarddoig1865
    @richarddoig1865 Před 5 lety +1

    You love making these videos. We love watching these videos. Motti doesn’t know the POWER of the dark side! He did briefly, until he was obliterated in the Death Star explosion. Apparently, he didn’t know the POWER of the light side either! Ironic that Tagge escaped, and was actually Vader’s boss for a bit!

  • @theblackgoatofthewoods
    @theblackgoatofthewoods Před 3 lety +1

    I know at the time they didn't know if there would be anymore movies after A New Hope but I would have loved to see Motti as the commandant on the second Death Star.
    A more humble and submissive man who saw the error in thinking Darth Vader was a joke....

  • @littledogie8390
    @littledogie8390 Před 4 lety

    Good video. I like the comics used

  • @austinchandler3079
    @austinchandler3079 Před 5 lety +4

    How do so few people just years after the jedi's collapse not really know about the force??

    • @VanTesla
      @VanTesla Před 5 lety +1

      The Galaxy was advance in many ways and archaic at the same time. The archaic came from information transferring was lacking behind most things, information corruption and manipulation was high, and most living beings in the Galaxy didn't know what the Force actually was about. During the thousand years of peace the Jedi where in whole only in the 10,000+ range which compared to Old Republic era is dramatically less. Most only know very basic stuff about Jedi in that they where warrior monks, philosophers, and later military leaders. By the time of the Clone Wats most of the Senate representatives didn't know what Sith where or the difference between them and Jedi. This in part was also a failure on the Jedi. In their efforts to stop and eradicate the Dark Side and Sith they would publicly redact all information or knowledge which in turn helped the Sith out in the shadows. It's also how Palpatine was able to end the legislative laws that prevented Sith and Force users from entering politics during the time of Darth Bane. It's also a way he set up the idea that the Jedi would try to take over since it meant after a thousand years they could have political power as well. The common belief during and after the Clone Wars was that Jedi had some kind of foresight and where skilled to an inhuman level with their signature lightsaber. It's possible Motti never actually witnessed the feats of Jedi and to many after the Jedi where denounced and hated all the amazing feats where believed by public as Jedi propaganda.

    • @austinchandler3079
      @austinchandler3079 Před 5 lety

      @@VanTesla Very interesting and that makes good sense.

    • @VanTesla
      @VanTesla Před 5 lety +1

      @@austinchandler3079 The other thing to take note of during and after the Clone Wars is Palpatine was propagating the lies of the Jedi and their false religion of the Force. Anyone who was found Force Sensitive after the Rise of the Empire where seen as like demonic beings or witches. Family, close friends, neighbors, and etc where rewarded for bringing forth Force Sensitive and Jedi while those that didn't would be slaughtered by said Jedi/Force Sensitive according to Imperial News. Motti was a somewhat younger brash moron compared to his peers in the same room who had more previous contact with the Jedi and Force Users. Motti also was the worse kind of ass kisser to the Emperor in regard in believing the lies without actually having any thought put into it. In that room he would been seen as the most inexperience and new generation of Imperial Leadership that only cared about themselves by betraying others and appease the Emperor.

    • @dennisdocherty2713
      @dennisdocherty2713 Před 4 lety

      Might be worth mentioning that despite it being only 20 years since the fall of the Jedi, the limited exposure to the force that people would have had would all have been from the light-side users, the Jedi, as the Sith were still in hiding. This violent application of the force likely would still surprise anyone who had only previously seen the force applied by a Jedi.

  • @madvulcan8964
    @madvulcan8964 Před 5 lety +4

    Not everyone has seen a Jedi or know what they can and were capable of doing before the clone wars and even lesser know what a Sith even is.
    Which brings up a good point how many people in the galaxy know about the history of the past. Like there were no museums on Coruscant or holo shows that talked about the galactic past on a galaxy wide broadcast? in layman's terms Star wars in universe the History channel.

  • @Benjamin1986980
    @Benjamin1986980 Před 5 lety +2

    It is interesting to see just how far Vader's character has changed over the years. In the original movie, he has some precognition and telekinesis, but in most recent comics, he's a walking superhero who can take on Battlestations alone and on foot. The description given in the novel Death Star is based off the old version of Vader, so it's not really comparable to his current status

  • @publicprofilename4273
    @publicprofilename4273 Před 4 lety +1

    So, interesting correlation on this subject in Disney's timeline. The book "from a certain point of view" is episode 4 told from the perspective of side characters. The force choke is told from Motti's POV. He actually files a formal complaint against Vader for forcing his religious views, for Vader's admonishing them for being proud of the DS, and go so far as to point out that Vader had to take several steps towards him in order to choke him.

  • @toniwilliams5330
    @toniwilliams5330 Před 4 lety +1

    Everytime i hear the word "force choke" i giggle inside. What a word.

  • @thereddemon4117
    @thereddemon4117 Před rokem +1

    He choked on his aspirations. Being young and foolish and unable to hold his tongue, he choked him

  • @RealSasquatchWatch
    @RealSasquatchWatch Před 3 lety

    at 2:50 or so, it just awesome to think of the immense size of the death star as our narrarator mentions how they meet in the main conference room. look at the ships outside even with elevators, think how long it took to get from one corner to another in the death star

  • @ryansanico6539
    @ryansanico6539 Před 5 lety

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  • @blairbuskirk5460
    @blairbuskirk5460 Před 3 lety +1

    There is certain protocols to be followed in a council meeting, particularly against physical altercations even if using "space magic" , you're supposed to use your words, not your fists.

  • @WillRennar
    @WillRennar Před 4 lety +2

    So basically, he was pissed off and clueless.
    Never a good combination.

  • @davidb1132
    @davidb1132 Před 3 lety

    All these years, I had no idea he was an admiral.

  • @dj_mcfuggernugs507
    @dj_mcfuggernugs507 Před 5 lety +2

    I guess you could say he underestimated his power

  • @YuriBoyka23237
    @YuriBoyka23237 Před 2 lety

    You gotta love a guy who does his own wetwork. Vader is a real hands on manager (that was a pun, for he doesn't actually have to touch anyone in order to force choke). He doesn't stay on the Executive ship. He goes down on the transport, boards the rebel ship, and demands results. He goes down to the Hoth base himself. I love that about him. Vader does his own wetwork.

  • @avisco01
    @avisco01 Před 5 lety +7

    Right, or it was a device in the script to show the audience Vader’s power and lack of patience for insubordination.

  • @ghostnappa2012
    @ghostnappa2012 Před 5 lety +7

    I found Motti's lack of faith disturbing.

  • @jasonwhite7905
    @jasonwhite7905 Před 3 lety

    Back in the 90s, I wrote a star wars fan fiction centered around Thrawn, called Champion of the Empire.
    In the above scene with Motti, I wrote Thrawn into the it.
    He was right behind Tarken and Vader when a private called attention. He wasn't that loud, because only Thrawn stopped to read the new reports from Tantooine, while Tarken and Vader entered the room interrupting Tag.
    Thrawn, upon reading the updated report, dismissed the junior officer, and took his seat at the table. Upon Thrawn's entry, Tarken threw him a glare and that followed him to his seat, while settling his officers. "The regional governors now have direct control of their territories."
    Once Thrawn took his seat, Tarken resumed. "Fear will keep the local systems in line, fear of this battlestation."
    Motti then interrupted Thrawn before he could relate the updated search for the DS plans.

  • @jesterlefae3940
    @jesterlefae3940 Před 5 lety +2

    1:14 A Imperial Yulren Appears

  • @danaripley1200
    @danaripley1200 Před 5 lety +3

    Guess everyone in the room but Admiral Motti knew Vader could force choke people. He sure was choking them out in Empire.🤣

  • @fisyr
    @fisyr Před 5 lety +1

    The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the high ground.

  • @blueneet84
    @blueneet84 Před 4 lety

    This video could have been 10 seconds. I've seen some padding in videos before but this one is on another level.

  • @stolasgoetia93
    @stolasgoetia93 Před 5 lety +1

    Where did you get that awesome pic at 5:10

  • @jeffjohnson7657
    @jeffjohnson7657 Před 3 lety +1

    I recall before A New Hope, Vader spends his time doing odd jobs for the Emperor (e.g. bringing down a big mob boss). Motti might not have been around Vader much.

  • @mynameispi883
    @mynameispi883 Před 5 lety +50

    Even tarkin knows better to talk down to Vader look at his face1:00

    • @joeltaveras5857
      @joeltaveras5857 Před 5 lety

      Tarkin was above vader you knew vader was just a lackey

    • @maxburrill6192
      @maxburrill6192 Před 5 lety +5

      @@joeltaveras5857 Vader had to work under Tarkin, but in the outstanding imperial hierarchy, Vader was still no. 2

    • @joeltaveras5857
      @joeltaveras5857 Před 5 lety +1

      @@maxburrill6192 he was tarkins bitch sidious used vader like a lap dog. Its really sad the chosen one. The most powerful jedi as far as potential. Goes turned into a lap dog for darth sidious

    • @brandondetroitfanmichaels4325
      @brandondetroitfanmichaels4325 Před 5 lety

      @@joeltaveras5857 It's not fair! 😭😭😭😭😭

    • @yungpo9853
      @yungpo9853 Před 4 lety +1

      @@joeltaveras5857He was not Tarkin's bitch. Vader was no one's bitch. The fuck you talking about man? Tarkin was spared very early on when Darth Vader first started choking out officers and Darth Sidious told Darth Vader that all officers are fair game but Tarkin he needed Tarkin so Darth Vader couldn't do anything to Tarkin unless Tarkin really stepped out of line like trying to betray the empire.

  • @Mundane05
    @Mundane05 Před 4 lety +1

    To think that some 40+ years ago George Lucas and/or whoever else was involved just wrote the whole thing as "let's have one guy get lippy with Vader so he can demonstrate his choke thing".

  • @RogueWJL
    @RogueWJL Před 3 lety +1

    Motti disrespected Vader. He mocked Vader and got rightly slapped down.

  • @bplup6419
    @bplup6419 Před 4 lety +4

    This is why you always keep a pocket full of sand.

  • @LilT8
    @LilT8 Před 5 lety +1

    5:41
    YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER!

  • @adamdicristofaro4596
    @adamdicristofaro4596 Před 3 lety

    the look on tarkins face is " you fucked up"

  • @AndrewMRoots
    @AndrewMRoots Před 3 lety

    Lol at the end, "A minor defence for stupid Motti"

  • @HunterManProKiller1000
    @HunterManProKiller1000 Před 5 lety +10

    Soooo imature of admiral Motti for disrespect Vader

  • @thomaswilkerson2711
    @thomaswilkerson2711 Před 5 lety

    Where did you get the art used in the video? The description doesn't have the source or credit for them

  • @asadadon
    @asadadon Před 5 lety

    Lesson Learned!

  • @johnpatrickfay5288
    @johnpatrickfay5288 Před 4 lety

    He not only thought he could..
    He did it at the round table, ballsy.

  • @benquinney2
    @benquinney2 Před 5 lety

    Stand up to him!

  • @marshmallowbudgie
    @marshmallowbudgie Před 2 měsíci

    also note the conference table is spaced-out enough to prevent the principals from being able to physically attack one another

  • @ourtinev1899
    @ourtinev1899 Před 5 lety

    I love Wilhuff's face while motti's getting.. "oh shit vader"

  • @darrenabbott6264
    @darrenabbott6264 Před 4 lety +2

    Admiral Motti
    More like Admiral Mardy

  • @jw1415
    @jw1415 Před 5 lety +1

    Props to the man with humongous platinum balls...