exactly, i want one so badly but it's already a very expensive car and I don't want to pay over sticker. Such a weird trend everyone hating on this beautiful machine.
It’s not hate, it’s a well made precise machine, but if you drive one you’ll see that it’s not a particularly memorable experience if it’s fun you’re after
I made the hard decision to cancel my G87 M2 Comp & instead went with a 07 Civic. Driving the Civic & feeling the V-Tec kick in made me realize it’s a lot more fun then the G87
I made the easy decision to cancel my G87 M2 Comp & instead went with a 1991 Honda Beat. Driving the Beat & feeling the road made me realize it's a lot more fun than the G87.
I got a Model Y instead of the M2. I talked myself into practicality with free charging at work. After reading the comments, I might consider trading it in for an 07 Civic.
Not entirely. Some of these are subjective. I, for one, prefer the way the S55 feels and given the option between the M-steptronic 8HP and M-Dct, i’ll choose the Dct. Don’t get me wrong, the S58 is an awesome powerplant and it comes with quite large stock turbos (they can produce nearly 200hp more when both are maxed out). However, the S55’s higher compression ratio paired with the smaller (still healthy size) stock turbos makes it feel like a larger displacement engine that gets on boil quicker and more aggressively. The higher redline (7600rpm in the S55, 7200rpm in the S58) adds to the experience, it feels more N/A and more exciting to me. To say one is simply better than another isn’t going to tell the whole story. It can depend on the situation, one could be “better” than another in some ways and not in others. One may prefer a muted and isolated experience while another will prefer a raw experience. Some would rather have the on/off experience of the turbos on the S58 rather than the N/A feel of the S55
After days of thinking on it i opted to just keep driving my 2002 lexus is300 since its a more raw feeling. Thanks to its 22 year old suspension you can really feel the road like ever bump. The steering gives so much feedback like it vibrates when i brake and even makes noise when i turn to let me know its working. It’s auto and i put it in manual mode it jerks when i down shit can totally feel the power. Yeah that m2 looked really dull. I think i made the best decision guys. My is300 always makes me want to come back to it and i even drive it every day to work not only because it’s my only car can but because of the more raw feel.
As a former F87 M2 comp owner.. I tracked my F87 heavily and after experiencing my friends bone stock G87 M2.. there is no comparison at just how fast of a lap time the new G87 puts down. Yes the F87 was more fun with its back end easily getting loose and it has better steering feel.. but if you are serious with tracking your car.. hands down, no question the G87 is so much better platform. So much better I cancelled my M4 and ordered a G87 M2.
Yes it’s an incredible track car. It’s just not as “fun” in daily driving for me, that’s all. If I was a serious track driver the G87 is definitely the better car
I can understand his point. It may not be as fun as previous f87 but it can be faster even in roads. As I said in other comment in roads I felt my m340xdrive G20 better than m2comp, as It would hit higher speed faster and more comfortable than m2comp.
@@ronin120 Then I probably would have kept the F87 M2 longer or would have gone with the M4 instead. The F87 HM2 is more fun as a daily and the G82 it being larger feels more like a better daily cruiser for me.
People misunderstood that the G87 has taken the place of an M3, which is odd, but true. Massive horsepower and a bit of a throwback to the E46 M3, but no M2 feeling
@@chrisginoc I'm still on a 91 octane pump gas tune so I'd guess maybe 430-450hp but plan to have my tuner add a flex tune so really hoping I can do a little over 500 at the wheels with an E40-E50 blend. It gets pretty squirley in the rear at current power levels so I'll definitely need some good radials haha
Canceled my G87 for an 89’ 240sx coupe with 400,000 miles. The driving experience was just next to none. It was just so raw and I heard every squeak and creak the car made.
Really? Wow that's exactly like a 98 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi those tanks with the 3.8 supercharged engines. Big ass 4 door luxury car is 3800 lbs. I'd expect the M2 to be no more than 3300
@@zenkoz3158 It's for safety... The car weighs so much so that when you do eventually crash (everyone does, don't lie)... You can walk away from it. Theres no cope in that... Look at new lexuses, look at new mustangs etc... All in 4000lb range.
@@midas-cars yeah definitely not the ridiculous amount of electronics, soundproofing, and the overall increase in size. Just purely safety lol. New cars can be lightweight and safe. Replace an ND miata's drivetrain weight with that of an s550 mustang. Still a chassis with good crash ratings and nowhere near 4000 lbs. Sports cars in general have become overweight, numb, and soulless because consumers have proven they buy anything as long as it's quick and makes obnoxious sounds. Sports cars are just lifestyle vehicles now, they don't have any of the characteristics that used to define them other than the names and shapes.
Same here! I was about to order a G87, then i got to rent one and did not come away loving it. Found a LBB 2018 OG M2 a few days later, was blown away on the test drive, and took it home.
I was looking at the g87 but I ended up all in totally restoring and upgrading a e92 instead. Much better platform and possibilities with mods ofc. I know myself even if I got a m2 I would still nod the hell out of it 😅
That would actually be easier than you think. Especially if you use a Motec ECU rather than dealing with the BMW DME codes. I mean, they're both very similar engines. Both inline 6, 3.0L, twin-turbo, the S58 just has lower compression and slightly bigger turbos, but the S55 is just as robust when it comes to it's engineering and quality. Not to mention, the S55 is a higher revving engine than the S58, by about 600rpm. If my S55 engine ever dies, I'll just further reinforce the internals, maybe bore it out a bit, and try to get even a few hundred more RPM out of it, add some bigger turbos, but the S55 is not the kind of engine that's just gonna blow up, anyways. Unless you're in an OG M2 and talking about going from an N55 to an S58. Even that would be doable, especially using custom engine management software thru Motec, etc. Size-wize, the engine itself is obviously the same as N55, but the S55 and S58 are mounted more centrally and sit further behind the axle than the N55 is (because of the twin turbos and cooling), so you'd likely need to have some custom brackets and things installed, plus you'll want some extra cooling for sure. Then of course, you'd need to get an exhaust midpipe that mounts to two turbos instead of one, but still, it wouldn't be all *that* outlandish to eventually put an S58 into a N55 M2. What I think would be really cool, is to take an S54 from an E46, turbocharge it and then put that in an F87. The E46 and F87 are nearly identical in length, but the F87 is WAY wider, so a turbo'd S54 in an M2 would be amazing, it'd feel right at home, and having 8000+RPM in an F87 would feel perfect. Another 3.0 inline 6, so packaging wise, it'd be no problem. Especially if you totally cleared out the engine bay and started from the ground up, reinforced the S54 as much as possible (close the deck like on an S55, strengthen all the rods and bearings, basically upgrade and strengthen as much of the internals as possible). Getting all the programming right for accessories and stuff on Motec might be a little fiddly, but it'll eventually work super well.
can these motec ecus be installed in G series BMW? because right now ppl are having to send their dme modules to finland to get a special software to unlock the ecu. it would be a great financial venture to offer a different solution@@doggodproductions2259
Be glad you can afford any of these cars. I wish I had he money to sell stock 2016 Genesis Coupe 3.8 and buy a G87 M2. I like it more than G82 M4. Less people will drive the M2, and the M2 looks amazing with the Alpha-N spoiler wing and better rims.
tbh only upside to the new M2 is the S58 power plants but i would still prefer a s55 only thing you gotta change is the crank hub which is still cheaper than buying any G87/G80/G82
@@christohees9150 it’s not talking shit the F87 is a better driving experience & yes i’ve drove both the G8x platform feels fake almost not connected to the car by any means & that’s my opinion. G87 is boring tbh you better off getting a G82 M4 at that point.
@@DonsGreenNature lol boring the g87 m2 is a more complete refined car then the f87 and I'd rather have the m2 over the m4 that grilles still gives me nightmares straight pipe and a tune that thing will rip
Nah…any car made after 1902 is straight dogshit…(That’s how you sound) 😂🤦🏾♂️ EVERY car? EVERY? The Cayman GT4rs…THAT is Trash? lol How about the M5comp? Is THAT trash too? Lol You’re not adding to the discussion in any fruitful way…this is fanboy shit.
I’ve been hearing the 07 Civic gives the G87 a run for its money. VTEC technology is awesome just needs to slap a Viper system and it’s tons better than G87 Karr Alarm system.
I don’t know about that, newer and faster models before termination generally tend to be worth more in the long run. Look at the Supra mk4 compared to the mk3. The last manual M car might hold it’s value more than many people seem to think. But that’s just my take.
Same. 21 F87n here. BMW event sent me to M Track Days trying to change my mind. It’s the extra weight for me. Comparatively, you really feel all that extra weight on the apex. That, and the longer wheelbase on the G87 just makes it less aggressive on turn-in.
lol, yeah, but I don't have a fucking time machine and didn't know what it weighed until after I'd done 5 laps at Indy on track. I guess me learning the weight after asking due to the feel of driving with an elephant on my back is "checks notes"... ah yes, confirmation bias. My mistake.
That’s crazy! In America GR86’s are like litter and are all over the place, however it’s incredibly hard to find a 3000gt/gto in good condition in the states
The new G87 heads up display is sick I just got a 2015 m235i pretty much the poor mama F22 M2 still rips like a proper M with a few bolt ons and tune maybe going pure turbos next
F87 M2 was gorgeous especially in blue. And more raw. And overall a better successor to the E46 M3 than any gen M3/M4 that followed it. The G87 M2 may be much faster but it doesn’t look nearly as good and sacrifices some purity.
So you’re implying a discontinued vehicle is not a good car? What rock have you been sleeping under! Ever heard of an F40? R32,33,34 GTR? The F87’s journey to classic status has been escalated on the account of the G87 going in a terrible direction.
I'm glad you made the right call. Having purchased my manual 2021 M2 comp in 2020 I'm happy to see it holding it's value. Not a huge fan of the new one either.
The entire generation of f cars kind of suck. Unless you're talking like present day f97, f80, f90 every G car literally takes dumps on the whole f gen. One of our worst gens, no question. This dude high on copium because he doesn't want to spend $100k. Dude says an undertuned s55 sounds better and has more power than an s58? Insane
@magincap70 the new m2 is fat and numb by all accounts, the f87 m2 is much better looking and is more engaging. If you're not happy with the engine tuning or power level, it's not difficult to change.
its a beautiful car but that infotainment system in the older model is just hideous to me. The last model is prettier stock but with a couple of tweaks to the new model it looks super mean and I just love that.
@@bqproductions7448 I hear that, brother! loved my f87 and drove it daily for years. now been driving the g87 daily since april an I couldn’t agree with you more… the car is far better and, like you said, the infotainment system is crazy good. the f87 infotainment is almost embarrassing in comparison. at the touch of the screen you can adjust the steering, breaks, chassis, suspension… you can say “my feet are cold” and your feet are warm
Thats cuz the G87 interior = sitting at the desk inside the workds most boring work cubicle V.S. The F87 = Sitting in the VIP section, inside the champagne room, of a private strip club of the highest class in the world while getting an exclusive lap dance from the badest female in the world.... in comparison!😂
I had a F87 (Comp.) and I sold it yesterday after three years because I ordered a G80. Last summer I was able to drive the G87 and I can tell you, that the car feels so much better. It’s more stable on the road, the steering behavior is better, is has more power and so on… Aside from looks, it's a significantly better car in every way.
Each to their own, but i found the G87 so easy to live with that i wish i could afford one. Ive had an e46 that was like a dinosaur. Replaced with an F83, which is a massive improvement as a daily useable M car. Got the G87 as a loan while BMW fixed a problem they missed on the F83 and it was brilliant. Just quiet. Even with the £6k MPE gatling gun exhaust
@_ph4nt0mzz_47 no, no it's not. Yes it's bigger but you do not feel the weight of it doing almost anything except breaking. And, with the g87 being much bigger, the weight increase is exactly what you would expect.
Maybe It is bc I felt the right size for me 😂 Anyway I feel this car a great size never made me feel it too big. And I also have an Gti to say that! Btw My ex 340i felt much bigger 😮
Be careful. The G87 and G Series bros will start commenting. People don't understand just because something is new doesn't always mean it's better. Also cars are subjective to personal preferences. The F87 Competition is one of the most raw, most compact best sports cars maybe ever. A tune and some upgrades and you're flying. The power to weight ratio of the F87 is amazing. Good for you for canceling the G87 knowing it wasn't the one and going with your gut feeling. Most people want what's new just for the clout.
@@Duny100 Nobody said the G87 wasn't better. I was making a reference to personal taste and sticking to your gut. Just because something is new doesn't mean you'll like it or be happier. Most people get something new just to keep up with the Jones'.
2017 Camry 2.5 AR-FE SE with red stitching Premium cloth/vinyl seating 1 power seat 187hp No TORQUE After heavy consideration I retracted my order for the G87 Comp and decided it was with upmost consideration the better daily with the Camry
This is the same reason why i chose buying the GR corolla over the GR supra and 86, it was just way more fun and an actual fun experience, it may not be as fast at the supra but the supra feels like any other fast sports car ive driven
I made the easy decision to cancel my G87 M2 Comp & instead went with a 1991 Honda Beat. Driving the Beat & feeling the road made me realize it's a lot more fun than the G87.
People have different tastes, awesome you got what makes you happy. I just felt like the f87 was a massive downgrade from the g87. When I picked up my g87 they had a mint f87 on the other floor. It was like looking at a Honda civic parked next to a 5 series...that's how elevated I felt the g87 was when I saw them together.
One of the things I personally hate is the brand new drivers gauge cluster and rpm and speed gauge they look horrible personally just keep the basic dails if there going to make them look like that that in its self why I never get a brand new BMW as that’s one thing you will look at the most while owning the car
I just sold my 07 Civic to a guy who was looking for a G87 M2. I then had enough money to buy a Cybertruck that came with a Porsche on the included car trailer.
can i ask why in particular? what felt different? i have a 2019 mustang GT and im looking at getting into the bimmer world or an SS 1LE. steering feel and driver connection is very important to me, i’ll drive the car hard. was the f87 that much better?
The new ones are just extremely refined, very stable, very precise. Unless you’re pushing them very very hard at the track, they’re not going to be very memorable or enjoyable. If you want a fast luxury car the G series is better at daily luxury and comfort. If you want an older car feel, something that can scare you without needing to drive too fast then the F87 is that much better yes. It’s personal preference, test drive one before buying
@@binarycars so for a daily/road use the g87 is better? I had the m2comp for 1,5 year and yes it was pretty fun to drive but I couldnt completely enjoy in streets or roads bc of bumps etc. Something I was being able to do better with previous m340i but this wasnt sporty at all.
@@binarycars good to know. Forgive me If I had bad impression but I always felt that m340i performed better in a road than m2comp. I would hit easier high speeds for example. It just wasnt so nimble and fun.
M340 is really fast, I’ve driven many. I also had the new G42 M240. That was the issue, you go so fast but aren’t even aware of how fast you’re going :P they pickup speed so quickly and smoothly
Thats honestly how I still feel about the e chasis. Nothing has ever came close to that steering rack since. They switched to an electric steering rack and its never been the same.
@@SeeFlow-bo1dl F87 was one of if not the best post E era BMW designs (and I'd argue it's even better than a lot of the E era cars, such as the E82 that preceded it). G87 is okay at best, and that's after giving it at least a year for the design to grow on me (it hasn't). In terms of downgrades, this was a massive one.
I like that people are getting rid of the g87, low demand will drop the price down and I’ll scoop one up myself 😂
exactly, i want one so badly but it's already a very expensive car and I don't want to pay over sticker. Such a weird trend everyone hating on this beautiful machine.
It’s not hate, it’s a well made precise machine, but if you drive one you’ll see that it’s not a particularly memorable experience if it’s fun you’re after
Jus wait 2-3yrs an scoop 1 up fir round 30-40K instead
@@alexparrott6558 I doubt that, I have offers for 30k on my 16 ford focus RS right now.
@@binarycarswhat about for someone who’s never driven a BMW let alone an M ?
How did this comment get so many likes?
After looking at the rs3 and TTRS for a while I decided to get an A3
02 corolla here
😂😂😂
Has to cop it in manual
07 tsx 🤝
After hours of consideration, I decided to get a bus pass instead
😂😂😂 I mean broh make it make sense
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Me tooo hahahahhaa
This kid sounds like he is 20 lol, rich people problems
I made the hard decision to cancel my G87 M2 Comp & instead went with a 07 Civic. Driving the Civic & feeling the V-Tec kick in made me realize it’s a lot more fun then the G87
Honestly, it probably is more fun to drive on the streets
You should turbo it
😮 your mad
honestly, the way these cars get so fast yet mostly be driven on normal roads conveys the same feeling as wild animals kept in the zoo@@binarycars
I made the easy decision to cancel my G87 M2 Comp & instead went with a 1991 Honda Beat. Driving the Beat & feeling the road made me realize it's a lot more fun than the G87.
I got a Model Y instead of the M2. I talked myself into practicality with free charging at work. After reading the comments, I might consider trading it in for an 07 Civic.
07s a great year
RWD man!😊
tesla is pure trash
😂😂😂
Humm
G87 - Powertrain
F87 - Exterior
G87 - Chassis
F87 - Analogue dials
G87 - rest of Interior
F87 - steering
What is the most expensive and overall best please answer me
@@EXO747neil G87
F87 - size
F87 (OG) - sound
F87 - colors
F87 - weight
Correct.
Not entirely. Some of these are subjective.
I, for one, prefer the way the S55 feels and given the option between the M-steptronic 8HP and M-Dct, i’ll choose the Dct.
Don’t get me wrong, the S58 is an awesome powerplant and it comes with quite large stock turbos (they can produce nearly 200hp more when both are maxed out).
However, the S55’s higher compression ratio paired with the smaller (still healthy size) stock turbos makes it feel like a larger displacement engine that gets on boil quicker and more aggressively.
The higher redline (7600rpm in the S55, 7200rpm in the S58) adds to the experience, it feels more N/A and more exciting to me.
To say one is simply better than another isn’t going to tell the whole story.
It can depend on the situation, one could be “better” than another in some ways and not in others.
One may prefer a muted and isolated experience while another will prefer a raw experience.
Some would rather have the on/off experience of the turbos on the S58 rather than the N/A feel of the S55
Same I cancelled my buggatti and got a Prius. It drives smoother n good on gas
After days of thinking on it i opted to just keep driving my 2002 lexus is300 since its a more raw feeling. Thanks to its 22 year old suspension you can really feel the road like ever bump. The steering gives so much feedback like it vibrates when i brake and even makes noise when i turn to let me know its working. It’s auto and i put it in manual mode it jerks when i down shit can totally feel the power. Yeah that m2 looked really dull. I think i made the best decision guys. My is300 always makes me want to come back to it and i even drive it every day to work not only because it’s my only car can but because of the more raw feel.
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haha best response
As a former F87 M2 comp owner.. I tracked my F87 heavily and after experiencing my friends bone stock G87 M2.. there is no comparison at just how fast of a lap time the new G87 puts down. Yes the F87 was more fun with its back end easily getting loose and it has better steering feel.. but if you are serious with tracking your car.. hands down, no question the G87 is so much better platform. So much better I cancelled my M4 and ordered a G87 M2.
Yes it’s an incredible track car. It’s just not as “fun” in daily driving for me, that’s all. If I was a serious track driver the G87 is definitely the better car
I can understand his point. It may not be as fun as previous f87 but it can be faster even in roads. As I said in other comment in roads I felt my m340xdrive G20 better than m2comp, as It would hit higher speed faster and more comfortable than m2comp.
Second this. Did a track day with 305 square setup on VIR and was head to head with 991 GT3
and what if you have no intention of tracking the car? Then what are your thoughts?
@@ronin120 Then I probably would have kept the F87 M2 longer or would have gone with the M4 instead. The F87 HM2 is more fun as a daily and the G82 it being larger feels more like a better daily cruiser for me.
My cousin once said, "As a poor man, stop trying to understand the problems of the rich."
I would like to thank the f87 M2comp enthusiasts to short the price of G87 M2 so we could buy em cheap
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Welcome haha g87 not very sexy imo
@@kratohse G87 is a boat and ugly af lol!!
@speeddemon311 Like I said, I would rather take a discounted and ugly g87 over an inflated f87 with outdated interior.
@@kratohse Analog dials and actual physical buttons! M2 comp all day!
I cancelled mine too and instead bought a bicycle from Walmart.
People misunderstood that the G87 has taken the place of an M3, which is odd, but true. Massive horsepower and a bit of a throwback to the E46 M3, but no M2 feeling
After 0.05 minutes of deciding I got an M440i and I don’t regret it. Favorite car I’ve owned.
B58>S58 🤷♂️
10000% slightly modded B58 for daily driving is the best thing ever
Same here, I was considering selling my F87 for one of these before they came out but upgraded the turbo on my F87 instead haha
Nice move
How much power are you pushing down now?
@@chrisginoc I'm still on a 91 octane pump gas tune so I'd guess maybe 430-450hp but plan to have my tuner add a flex tune so really hoping I can do a little over 500 at the wheels with an E40-E50 blend. It gets pretty squirley in the rear at current power levels so I'll definitely need some good radials haha
@@micraw714add some meth
Nice, did you upgrade the crankshaft hub and which one did you get? @micraw714
Love my F87
The F87 looks so much better
Gross…
F87 looks amazing too, much better than the G87
facts
07 civic looks pretty nice too
Nope
Canceled my G87 for an 89’ 240sx coupe with 400,000 miles. The driving experience was just next to none. It was just so raw and I heard every squeak and creak the car made.
After watching this video I went for a 07 Civic, I realized that VTEC kicking in was more fun, with it being 4 doors is also more practical 😂
I can't believe the M2 is over 3800 ibs! Rip tires and brake.
Really? Wow that's exactly like a 98 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi those tanks with the 3.8 supercharged engines. Big ass 4 door luxury car is 3800 lbs.
I'd expect the M2 to be no more than 3300
It's not, the car with the carbon pack and manual weighs 3625 lbs.
@@bumpinjeep cherry picking is one hell of a coping mechanism. If only less then 20% of these things ever made fit that spec, does it even matter ?
@@zenkoz3158 It's for safety... The car weighs so much so that when you do eventually crash (everyone does, don't lie)... You can walk away from it. Theres no cope in that... Look at new lexuses, look at new mustangs etc... All in 4000lb range.
@@midas-cars yeah definitely not the ridiculous amount of electronics, soundproofing, and the overall increase in size. Just purely safety lol. New cars can be lightweight and safe. Replace an ND miata's drivetrain weight with that of an s550 mustang. Still a chassis with good crash ratings and nowhere near 4000 lbs. Sports cars in general have become overweight, numb, and soulless because consumers have proven they buy anything as long as it's quick and makes obnoxious sounds. Sports cars are just lifestyle vehicles now, they don't have any of the characteristics that used to define them other than the names and shapes.
Who is responsible for these hideous designs?
For real... Those designers are joking
Should have cancelled both Bro, the actual state of the new BMWs is shocking.
@@ateivizalso the fact AMGs are cheaper😂😂
@@Okeen12never see the AMGs at the track though
I find it better looking than the prior gen bland bmw and big ugly grilles
Couldn't agree more!
Same here! I was about to order a G87, then i got to rent one and did not come away loving it. Found a LBB 2018 OG M2 a few days later, was blown away on the test drive, and took it home.
Crazy isn’t it! Congrats on the F87 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
The f87 comp is a very unique car. The ultimate light weight track weapon. Stage 2 on this is A LOT of power.
After much thought I ultimately decided on the 07 civic. That VTEC is something else. Plus you get some nice cup holders!
Yes this is why i love my f80 comp
Keep it running forever
F87 is the ultimate inline 6.
An n55? Or an s55? This makes no sense because the b58 is wayyyy better than the n55 and the s58 shits allllll over the s55.
I was looking at the g87 but I ended up all in totally restoring and upgrading a e92 instead. Much better platform and possibilities with mods ofc. I know myself even if I got a m2 I would still nod the hell out of it 😅
Modded E92 is an insane experience 👌🏼 enjoy it 😎
Good choice!
the sound tho ... just amazing
Idk I like both
Once my f87’s engine wears out, I will install the g87 and have the best of both worlds ha ha
😂😂😂
S58 engine in the F87 body?
havent seen a s58 swap yet. pretty sure that will be extremely difficult
That would actually be easier than you think. Especially if you use a Motec ECU rather than dealing with the BMW DME codes. I mean, they're both very similar engines. Both inline 6, 3.0L, twin-turbo, the S58 just has lower compression and slightly bigger turbos, but the S55 is just as robust when it comes to it's engineering and quality. Not to mention, the S55 is a higher revving engine than the S58, by about 600rpm.
If my S55 engine ever dies, I'll just further reinforce the internals, maybe bore it out a bit, and try to get even a few hundred more RPM out of it, add some bigger turbos, but the S55 is not the kind of engine that's just gonna blow up, anyways.
Unless you're in an OG M2 and talking about going from an N55 to an S58. Even that would be doable, especially using custom engine management software thru Motec, etc. Size-wize, the engine itself is obviously the same as N55, but the S55 and S58 are mounted more centrally and sit further behind the axle than the N55 is (because of the twin turbos and cooling), so you'd likely need to have some custom brackets and things installed, plus you'll want some extra cooling for sure. Then of course, you'd need to get an exhaust midpipe that mounts to two turbos instead of one, but still, it wouldn't be all *that* outlandish to eventually put an S58 into a N55 M2.
What I think would be really cool, is to take an S54 from an E46, turbocharge it and then put that in an F87. The E46 and F87 are nearly identical in length, but the F87 is WAY wider, so a turbo'd S54 in an M2 would be amazing, it'd feel right at home, and having 8000+RPM in an F87 would feel perfect.
Another 3.0 inline 6, so packaging wise, it'd be no problem. Especially if you totally cleared out the engine bay and started from the ground up, reinforced the S54 as much as possible (close the deck like on an S55, strengthen all the rods and bearings, basically upgrade and strengthen as much of the internals as possible). Getting all the programming right for accessories and stuff on Motec might be a little fiddly, but it'll eventually work super well.
can these motec ecus be installed in G series BMW? because right now ppl are having to send their dme modules to finland to get a special software to unlock the ecu. it would be a great financial venture to offer a different solution@@doggodproductions2259
I cancelled my G87 m2 order and ordered a 98 corolla s. It feels more connected to the road and makes me feel like Tony Shumacher.
Exactly!! I would stick to my F87 for more fun, more thill, and better aesthetics!!
Be glad you can afford any of these cars. I wish I had he money to sell stock 2016 Genesis Coupe 3.8 and buy a G87 M2. I like it more than G82 M4. Less people will drive the M2, and the M2 looks amazing with the Alpha-N spoiler wing and better rims.
The G87 weighs 1.8 tons, which is INSANE. Of course the F87 is better, it's almost 400kg lighter.
tbh only upside to the new M2 is the S58 power plants but i would still prefer a s55 only thing you gotta change is the crank hub which is still cheaper than buying any G87/G80/G82
Not really when you drive both cars back to back you'll find the g87 is the better car before you talk shit go drive it yourself
@@christohees9150 it’s not talking shit the F87 is a better driving experience & yes i’ve drove both the G8x platform feels fake almost not connected to the car by any means & that’s my opinion. G87 is boring tbh you better off getting a G82 M4 at that point.
It’s not 400kg lighter
@@DonsGreenNature lol boring the g87 m2 is a more complete refined car then the f87 and I'd rather have the m2 over the m4 that grilles still gives me nightmares straight pipe and a tune that thing will rip
Any car made after 2019 is a ESG POS
Nah…any car made after 1902 is straight dogshit…(That’s how you sound) 😂🤦🏾♂️ EVERY car? EVERY? The Cayman GT4rs…THAT is Trash? lol How about the M5comp? Is THAT trash too? Lol You’re not adding to the discussion in any fruitful way…this is fanboy shit.
I’ve been hearing the 07 Civic gives the G87 a run for its money. VTEC technology is awesome just needs to slap a Viper system and it’s tons better than G87 Karr Alarm system.
I hope you are feeling better. That was a very hard process. Lots of suffering.
perhaps not as fast, but significantly better looking and will hold value better.
I don’t know about that, newer and faster models before termination generally tend to be worth more in the long run. Look at the Supra mk4 compared to the mk3. The last manual M car might hold it’s value more than many people seem to think. But that’s just my take.
@@obi-wankenobi1532dunno. Market hasn't been kind to G series M cars.
Same. 21 F87n here. BMW event sent me to M Track Days trying to change my mind. It’s the extra weight for me. Comparatively, you really feel all that extra weight on the apex. That, and the longer wheelbase on the G87 just makes it less aggressive on turn-in.
chris harris says you don't feel the weight, tihnk you had confirmation bias
@@savannahkorben7353except I’ve driven it and felt it. Cars don’t feel the same to everyone.
@@WillSteward dont think you know what confirmation bias is, I don't doubt that you felt it lol
lol, yeah, but I don't have a fucking time machine and didn't know what it weighed until after I'd done 5 laps at Indy on track. I guess me learning the weight after asking due to the feel of driving with an elephant on my back is "checks notes"... ah yes, confirmation bias.
My mistake.
@@WillSteward😂 well said brother
After much time spent thinking about this,i decided to go for a 99 miata
I wanted a GR86 but the price in Austria raised so high that I just bought a 1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT/GTO and i regret nothing until now
That’s crazy! In America GR86’s are like litter and are all over the place, however it’s incredibly hard to find a 3000gt/gto in good condition in the states
Nice but hope you got some money set aside for repairs. I own a 93VR4.
Drove both and I did the same thing. Recently got a F87 M2C with 4000km on it, price isn’t cheap but no regret.
Much more fun car for sure!
what lead u to pick f87c over g87?
@@luisalvesrodriguessantana2249 did you even watch the fucking video or are you just a knuckle dragger…
Me too and I love it. The F87 is such a cool and beautiful car❤
The new G87 heads up display is sick I just got a 2015 m235i pretty much the poor mama F22 M2 still rips like a proper M with a few bolt ons and tune maybe going pure turbos next
I cancelled mine also. I like to have a personal driver and seat in the back listen to music and enjoy the scenery, so I use metro instead.
took me about 3 seconds to decide but I went with an 07 Dodge Magnum
F87 M2 was gorgeous especially in blue. And more raw. And overall a better successor to the E46 M3 than any gen M3/M4 that followed it. The G87 M2 may be much faster but it doesn’t look nearly as good and sacrifices some purity.
So basically, you ordered a car which is discontinued since two years?
Bought used like new and shipped it, not ordered from BMW
So you’re implying a discontinued vehicle is not a good car? What rock have you been sleeping under! Ever heard of an F40? R32,33,34 GTR? The F87’s journey to classic status has been escalated on the account of the G87 going in a terrible direction.
such a great car to drive. in my mind, he’s not making a mistake. I drove the f87 for years and loved every minute
@@HTH88terrible direction indeed
Same here! Canceled my order and stuck with my E92 m3 but would love to have an F80 M3 just because 😬
I'm glad you made the right call. Having purchased my manual 2021 M2 comp in 2020 I'm happy to see it holding it's value. Not a huge fan of the new one either.
Keep it forever! They just don’t make cars like that anymore
Exactly!! G87 looks fuckin horrible outside and in.... the interior feels like a fuckin desk job work cubicle!! F87 ALL DAY!
Agree 100%!👍
Years will pass until people really understand what means F87.
Hold it forever
@@binarycars thats the plan!
I'm thinking my next car will be a f87 230i. I hear an upgraded turbo does wonders for the b48.
The entire generation of f cars kind of suck. Unless you're talking like present day f97, f80, f90 every G car literally takes dumps on the whole f gen. One of our worst gens, no question.
This dude high on copium because he doesn't want to spend $100k.
Dude says an undertuned s55 sounds better and has more power than an s58? Insane
@magincap70 the new m2 is fat and numb by all accounts, the f87 m2 is much better looking and is more engaging. If you're not happy with the engine tuning or power level, it's not difficult to change.
i wish y’all would say years instead of the model codes. i’m not a bmw enthusiast
After thinking so much i ended up with a 2012 bmw 128 i
F87 is better. Ill keep mine over the new one all day.
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Me 2👍
its a beautiful car but that infotainment system in the older model is just hideous to me. The last model is prettier stock but with a couple of tweaks to the new model it looks super mean and I just love that.
@@bqproductions7448 I hear that, brother! loved my f87 and drove it daily for years. now been driving the g87 daily since april an I couldn’t agree with you more… the car is far better and, like you said, the infotainment system is crazy good. the f87 infotainment is almost embarrassing in comparison. at the touch of the screen you can adjust the steering, breaks, chassis, suspension… you can say “my feet are cold” and your feet are warm
Thats cuz the G87 interior = sitting at the desk inside the workds most boring work cubicle V.S. The F87 = Sitting in the VIP section, inside the champagne room, of a private strip club of the highest class in the world while getting an exclusive lap dance from the badest female in the world.... in comparison!😂
I had a F87 (Comp.) and I sold it yesterday after three years because I ordered a G80. Last summer I was able to drive the G87 and I can tell you, that the car feels so much better. It’s more stable on the road, the steering behavior is better, is has more power and so on… Aside from looks, it's a significantly better car in every way.
Well said. No complaint at all ❤
So heavy though!
Each to their own, but i found the G87 so easy to live with that i wish i could afford one.
Ive had an e46 that was like a dinosaur. Replaced with an F83, which is a massive improvement as a daily useable M car. Got the G87 as a loan while BMW fixed a problem they missed on the F83 and it was brilliant.
Just quiet.
Even with the £6k MPE gatling gun exhaust
As an F87 M2 Comp owner... I think I may have to get an 07 Civic
you could try doing a straight up trade, but good luck finding an owner willing to downgrade
With G87 the first thing you notice is the excessive weight, which is not in par with the overall size and the look of the car.
No it isn't.
@@XOG357Xyes. Yes it is. It's a fucking boat compared to the f87
@_ph4nt0mzz_47 no, no it's not. Yes it's bigger but you do not feel the weight of it doing almost anything except breaking. And, with the g87 being much bigger, the weight increase is exactly what you would expect.
I personally love the honesty. No Numbers or facts. Just that you don’t have strong feelings for it.
Enjoyment of driving rarely is quantifiable by numbers, try both and you’ll see
What a lovely story, thank you sharing.
my personal favourite of the bunch is the BMW m140i rwd 6cyl turbo!
I own one.. stage2+ with a limited slip differential
Hell yeah bro! What’s the point of making the payment if it’s not something you even want to drive 🔥
if you want a good steady reliable car the g87 with the s58 is the way to go.
If you are under 25 years old and below 5"8 take the old one 🙂
Maybe It is bc I felt the right size for me 😂
Anyway I feel this car a great size never made me feel it too big. And I also have an Gti to say that!
Btw My ex 340i felt much bigger 😮
Chris Harris literally made a video stating the exact opposite, so I guess there are still people who like the new one
I cant find any mistake in the new one ❤
except the front looks fuken ugly
But he owns a f87 himself instead, lol
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He is sponsored to talk, obv he wont bash the car 😂
I haven driven either one bu I keep seeing f87 sound more raw and sound like real power
07 Honda Civic was the competition…
Drove the m2 comp, great car handled amazing and could stop on a dime. That's why im buying a mustang.
In my opinion f87 m2 > f87 m2 comp > g87 m2
Thats a real man
More of a pretentious loser with some money
That car looks cool, but I can easily see myself getting bored of it reeal quick 😂
Be careful. The G87 and G Series bros will start commenting. People don't understand just because something is new doesn't always mean it's better. Also cars are subjective to personal preferences. The F87 Competition is one of the most raw, most compact best sports cars maybe ever. A tune and some upgrades and you're flying. The power to weight ratio of the F87 is amazing. Good for you for canceling the G87 knowing it wasn't the one and going with your gut feeling. Most people want what's new just for the clout.
Lol the power to weight ratio of the f87 might be amazing but the g87’s is better, both stock and mod for mod.
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@@Duny100 💯. I would wait for the x drive m2 or the m2 csl
@@chrisginocyup
@@Duny100 Nobody said the G87 wasn't better. I was making a reference to personal taste and sticking to your gut. Just because something is new doesn't mean you'll like it or be happier. Most people get something new just to keep up with the Jones'.
Done exactly the same and also got the futura 2000 edition hahah best decision ever
No way! DM me on IG I’d love to see yours
@@binarycars send you a dm!
I just couldn’t imagine having the kind of money to buy either one of these cars and then choose the automatic version.
Looks like you got a Special Content Package with those seats! Cheers from a fellow SCP owner!
Good eye, it’s actually a Futura 2000 pkg but it has the same seats which are 🔥
s58 is the only thing to like about the new m2
F87 all day for me. Sound, looks, sterring feel, weight and size are all better for me.
Talking about "raw" while driving a brand new BMW is wild
Thomas (reviewer) from throttle has the same opinion, he too owns the last gen and thinks it's more fun to drive
You made the right decision. Good for you. I wish you many miles of safe and enjoyable driving 🎉
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whats the difference between G87 snd F87
2017
Camry
2.5 AR-FE
SE with red stitching
Premium cloth/vinyl seating
1 power seat
187hp
No TORQUE
After heavy consideration I retracted my order for the G87 Comp and decided it was with upmost consideration the better daily with the Camry
OUTSTANDING!
Ya it was a real hard decision for me too but I finally settled on an 03 camry
That is the kind of problem I want to have
This is the same reason why i chose buying the GR corolla over the GR supra and 86, it was just way more fun and an actual fun experience, it may not be as fast at the supra but the supra feels like any other fast sports car ive driven
I’d love to try one!
I love the sound of the 711 782 and g87
I made the easy decision to cancel my G87 M2 Comp & instead went with a 1991 Honda Beat. Driving the Beat & feeling the road made me realize it's a lot more fun than the G87.
It's probably true tbh
Can anyone tell me what year this m2 is? I’m not a big car guy so I’m not sure
People have different tastes, awesome you got what makes you happy. I just felt like the f87 was a massive downgrade from the g87. When I picked up my g87 they had a mint f87 on the other floor. It was like looking at a Honda civic parked next to a 5 series...that's how elevated I felt the g87 was when I saw them together.
Enjoy your refinement, we each have our preferences
One of the things I personally hate is the brand new drivers gauge cluster and rpm and speed gauge they look horrible personally just keep the basic dails if there going to make them look like that that in its self why I never get a brand new BMW as that’s one thing you will look at the most while owning the car
What is the difference between these two cars?
Good call
I just sold my 07 Civic to a guy who was looking for a G87 M2. I then had enough money to buy a Cybertruck that came with a Porsche on the included car trailer.
can i ask why in particular? what felt different? i have a 2019 mustang GT and im looking at getting into the bimmer world or an SS 1LE. steering feel and driver connection is very important to me, i’ll drive the car hard. was the f87 that much better?
The new ones are just extremely refined, very stable, very precise. Unless you’re pushing them very very hard at the track, they’re not going to be very memorable or enjoyable. If you want a fast luxury car the G series is better at daily luxury and comfort. If you want an older car feel, something that can scare you without needing to drive too fast then the F87 is that much better yes. It’s personal preference, test drive one before buying
@@binarycars so for a daily/road use the g87 is better? I had the m2comp for 1,5 year and yes it was pretty fun to drive but I couldnt completely enjoy in streets or roads bc of bumps etc. Something I was being able to do better with previous m340i but this wasnt sporty at all.
New Ms are slightly more sporty, faster versions of the M340 if you want to think of it that way. Very stable, smooth cars
@@binarycars good to know. Forgive me If I had bad impression but I always felt that m340i performed better in a road than m2comp. I would hit easier high speeds for example. It just wasnt so nimble and fun.
M340 is really fast, I’ve driven many. I also had the new G42 M240. That was the issue, you go so fast but aren’t even aware of how fast you’re going :P they pickup speed so quickly and smoothly
Thats honestly how I still feel about the e chasis. Nothing has ever came close to that steering rack since. They switched to an electric steering rack and its never been the same.
That’s why I have my E36 😁
I thought he said he switched from a g87 M2 to another G87 comp 😂
New M2 looks so dope though
Na not really
@@J.PC.Designs yeah it’s the best
m2 f87 was peak in design, g87 is a aggressive cool car
@@SeeFlow-bo1dl F87 was one of if not the best post E era BMW designs (and I'd argue it's even better than a lot of the E era cars, such as the E82 that preceded it). G87 is okay at best, and that's after giving it at least a year for the design to grow on me (it hasn't). In terms of downgrades, this was a massive one.
You sound very excited