Solo Kill Team - Darktide or Stargrave?
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- We’ve just had the Darktide miniatures board game previews go up and while the idea of this game is fantastic, unfortunately I feel the execution of it leaves a lot to be desired. So in the first half of his video I’m going to explain why I think GW have missed the mark. In the second half of this video I’m going to look at Stargrave which is an scifi skirmish game by Osprey Games as an alternative for a solo style killteam game.
00:00 Intro
01:28 The Darktide board game
04:17 The Game Price
07:22 The Game Mechanics
16:31 Stargrave
26:26 Summary
If they had added the complete Blooded Kill Team and used the Commisar and Ogrin from that box as some kind of boss fight I think the price might have been more acceptable.
Must look in to Stargrave, thanks for this review.
Darktide seems like kill team flavor using the silver tower/cursed city system.
Without new sculpts, this should have been another store exclusive like Barnes & Noble or Target. Those games are always around $35-$60 US when new. Combat Arena Lair of the Beast was only $35 and it has 13 Blackstone Fortress miniatures including the Ambull (vs 20 for Darktide).
yes, like the small space marine adventures games they did at game in the uk.
I agree on all the criticism of Darktide, specialy the price tag. I'm actually writing a mod using this concept and the previous game Fireteam to try to use all the KT warbands on a hex grid.
With Stargrave, I think it has no comparison, it's just a different type of game. I love the concept of Stargrave and the way you put together the cards (great design!) a thing that the core game needs desperatly. The only thing of Stargrave is the damned D20 and the "quick math" in combat, it's very tedious and slow way to play. Anyway, thanx for the video!
I’ve dabbled with solo Fireteam and made made stats for other kill teams (posted on BGG). Will you post your solo fireteam somewhere? I’d love to try it
@@shorelessskies Im interested in some fireteam. Why dont you guys make a fireteam redditt
Stargrave is way better than any gw products
Each poxwalker or trooper have a unique number to go with the picture. Just place a small piece of tape with a number on the base of the different enemy force. Problem solved.
I think the biggest disappointment for me is "Available while stocks last". Pretty much confirms this is a one off, which is frustrating cause I was kind of excited for a 40k version of Underworlds
There’s always Fireteam
@@shorelessskies which is impossible to find
Thanks ,I need to get more serious about Stargrave. I do have the book
This the same what I have done grabbing ideas from frostgrave to use with warcry and the bladeborn box from B&N ...
Bladeborn imo is one of the best small games out there. Warcry but with smaller underworld warband. Pure genious if you ask me.
Sadly very limited and now extremely rare to find. Being based in western europe I had to import from the usa luckily way before covid and import then was still resonable, niw its just utterly insane to get things from the usa like this
Try to check the Star Saga. It has option to play solo and have nice card profiles. Plus nice mechanic to create your own characters
Love Frostgrave, ROSD and Stargrave.
This game looks cool, but the price is too much. Stargrave is an interesting alternative. It has AI rules and threat spawning tables in the base game.
Actually I think Darktide is a pretty decent game. But the price is prohibitive. Sad really. I think using existing models was a good idea. If they had put new sculpts in the box it would have been snapped up by people just looking for the minis, like so many of Kill Team boxes.
The Stargrave Cards look great! Did you make them yourself or did you find the template somewhere?
Made them myself using icons from game-icons.net There's a nonzero chance I'll end up making a card creator for it.
@@optimalgamestate That would be very awesome! 😁
and we're done! Star/Frost Grave card creator now available barrysheppard.github.io/grave-card-creator/index.html
@@optimalgamestate Nice! Will try that for my next Stargrave game!
Stargrave likely has so much more value… :/ dark tide is super costy
That I also have a massive collection of Killteam / 40k models to play Stargrave with certainly helps! It's shocking that GW missed the opportunity to cross sell us more models XD
@@optimalgamestate It's not about selling models to existing customers it's about enticing gamers/darktide fans into kill team/40k
Yeha you can get like 60 dudes and the rule book for the price of the darktide game. Granted the models don’t look as good, but they have a certain charm to them. It’s also really fun to make custom operatives
You should check out the Acolyte fan made expansion.
I've been looking and just keeping finding Star Wars Acolyte stuff. Do you by any chance have a link?
Ah no wait, I was looking for Acolyte and Stargrave but I needed Acolyte and Killteam. Reading now, thanks! linktr.ee/acolytegame
Cool 👍
💯 i just want simple rules so i can convince people to play.
Darktide looks to be to Kill Team what Bladeborn was to Warcry
There was also a Fireteam game that was similar to the Bladeborn box. This done right as a warcry version based on thr vermintide computer game would be awesome.
@@optimalgamestate it could be an interesting fan project
I think you have misunderstood what darktide is as you haven't played the game. The board game is supposed to be a literal translation of the video game which is why you are limted to what is in this box. the "kill team" as you put it are the only 4 options available in the video game. the guardsmen are justthat, they are chaose guardsmen/zealots. and then the poxwalkers. the only thing missing from this that are in the video game are a beast of nurgle, chaos spawn, plague ogryn, poxburster, a mutant, some of the enemy ogryn types, a daemonhost and pox hounds. it's not meant to be a kill team style game but i think morelike silver tower where you are moving through tiles to complete an objective while fighting off hoards.
I think the price is a bit much for what is included BUT am putting that partly down to GW's new price hike (£50 would have been better).
I can see them maybe doing an expansion in the form of extra missions and the extra miniatures. But overall I think this is just a quick money grab from GW and we would be better off having someone in the community make a free version that uses more miniatures (or from other ranges/3D printed) and printable card tiles.
This game is worth £30-£40 max. At that price, I'd give it a go (even though I have most of the miniatures already.
But this sounds like a one off cash grab, as opposed to a new game with expansions and new enemies down the line.
So disappointed in games workshop.
Play five parsecs instead
How so? What are the advantages of 5 parsecs?
@@optimalgamestate totally agnostic at any scale, built to be entirely solo, but can include others. Focuses on narrative story, each crew member is unique. Buy in is very low, and ruleset is unlikely to be swapped or pulled.
Interesting! I'll check it out, thanks 😄
The real answer is Acolyte
IMO Stargrave isn’t the best at representing the 40k characters or setting. I played a full campaign, in my case, 6 games against various others, all of us using 40K minis (I played gsc), and in the ENTIRE campaign only like three of my guys died, even tho I was playing super reckless, because of the really cushy shooting rules.
TL:DR-> nothing ever dies in Stargrave which removes any need for self preservation.
Not in my experience. Frostgrave/ROSD/Stargrave are super deadly. For even more death I add instakill when rolling nat20 or instasuicide when rolling a nat1
@@jandukanocraft6897 hey that’s not a bad idea. Another way to do this is rolling an injury die (the ones from necromunda, but a regular d6 could do) whenever a guy gets stunned from taking 4 damage from one shot to make guns a bit more lethal.
You should try acolyte. It’s a fan made Killteam expansion. It starts off super dangerous, but if you’re able to keep your operatives alive they can get really powerful. It’s pretty satisfying to see your retinue get stronger
@@KrakDuk oh I was really disappointed by the new kill team. I was so happy with the one from 2018 cause of how much freedom and narrative you could get, but I’ll take a look :)
@@Mosaic117 oh man, I absolutely love killteam 21. I think the loss of customization is honestly overstated and I ironically feel more free to kitbash and make characters in the new one.
While you can’t do any loadout you want, but the old killteam didn’t have the cool specialists and most people ended up just spamming meta operatives (more boring to play against randos I found).
That being said, Acolyte kinda mixes the customization of kt18 a with the mechanics of kt21 for a co op or solo narrative experience, I think it’s really fun. You have a ton of customization to make characters and give them a wide variety of weapons. There’s also a cool progression system.
I think the kazrkin is one of the free mini giveaways the gw stores did.
The kasrkin and ogryn are on the same sprue iirc
@@KrakDuk Thats crazy. So did they have to build a brand new mold to do that? If they were going through that trouble... Why not just make new sculpts too? I will never understand these guys.
@@travisjohnson622 yeah I mean to be fair ig it is less effort to put existing models on a new sprue.
But they often do say the biggest cost is the mold itself so making new sculpts would have been a lot cooler, they could easily fit the 4 on one sprue I feel
@@KrakDuk yeah, they shouldve at least made the player models new sculpts. It would have boosted the sales of this box big time. They could have easily made their money back and then some. Im already hearing this is a kill team lite. Less rules, etc. It would have been something worth having for everyone, but no. I may end up getting it if incan find it, that is.
The correct answer is Acolyte. Inq28 🤝 Kill Team FTW