Awakening: My first fire emblem game and the one that got me into SRPG. Three houses: The conversation I had with people and friends about which house we picked was really cool. Engage: Funnest, game I have ever play. Maybe there's something better like "Unicorn overlord" or "Project Triangle" but Engage is what make me want to explore those games. Now let me tell you my least favorite FE game (That I have played). Echos was so boring and had no replay value. I do thank it for introducing time wheel though.
Kind of a pet peeve of mine, but new mystery had casual mode. People constantly say awakening introduced it but a mote accurate way to say it would be that it introduced casual mode outside of Japan.
@@WesDoesGames of course, awakening had a great impact on the series regardless of if it introduced the feature or not. Great video overall btw. Unfortunately I had to skip the resident dawn parts since I haven't played it yet.
@@Theblaziken2000 it took me a moment to realize "Resident Dawn" wasn't like a Resident Evil Fire Emblem crossover game, lol. Glad you liked the video, I appreciate it!
I take it they weren't proud enough of New Mystery to sell it to us, but that might have helped the greater fandom learn of the modes and options it introduced. Still, you ARE among fans, so you definitely can't get away with that any more than 'FE13 introduced the Avatar!', or even 'FE12 introduced the Avatar!!!'.
Comment about Lyn's age topic- Roy and Lilina are 15 in FE6 so they would be born 5 years after the end of FE7, so even if Lyn was 15 she would have been 20 at the time. But also Lyn is only 15 at the beginning of the game in the JP version and there are two 1 year time skips not counting all the time traveling and battling (And the fact that she would technically be at least 15 and a half at the start of the game because we learn her age through the letter her mother sent out, the mother who has been dead for six months.) so she's probably still around 18 at the end of JP FE7.
@@WesDoesGames It's probably like you said, because western audiences would accept it more if she was older. It's just one of those little tidbits that annoys me slightly because people use it to attack Lyn fans for being 'weird' when they themselves didn't look into it deeply enough. Good video though!
They probably changed it because people might find it iffy that the relationship started when she was 15? Even though it doesn't make that much sense because Eliwood and Hector are 17 at the start of the game. It really shouldn't be so much of an issue but Americans by and large seem to be extremely sensitive about that stuff so my guess is the change was made by someone who did not really notice how much time really elapses during the game and wanted to avoid minors implied to have had sex.
@@elecrom_9757 while it’s not that unusual for a 17-year-old boy to date a 16-year-old girl (as Lyn would be after the one-year time skip), the game doesn’t explicitly say that Eliwood and Hector are 17, or that Lyn is now 16. You can do the math, of course: Eliwood and Hector have fought 30 duels, once every two months since they were 12 (as explained in their C support). But the game doesn’t expect its player base to do the math.
Lol, the mental gymnastics with this comment is hilarious. Well, if you looking at Lyn pr0n with this mindset makes you feel better then all power to you.
My favorite thing about the FE community is the universal agreement that the Fates continent is canonically named "Fateslandia". ESPECIALLY because of the fact that Fates is not the name of the game in Japanese. That makes it so much better to me
A few corrections: -Casual mode was introduced in New Mystery, not in Awakening. -New Mystery also introduced the avatar system. -BS Fire Emblem/Archanea Saga is 100% canon to the series. -Vesteria Saga actually WAS made in RPG Maker, or at least the SRPG equivalent "SRPG Studio." Enterbrain is the former developer of the RPG Maker series and Kaga has been heavily involved in the Japanese RM community since the early 2000s. Also Vesteria Saga has very good map design, gameplay, and story. It's also quite funny. Highly recommend it even if the graphics are ass. -Tellius takes place in a different world from Archanea definitively. Ike or Mist's descendants got to Archanea from an outrealm gate somewhere outside of Tellius across the sea and eventually led to Priam many generations later. My headcanon is that Mist and Boyd's son ended up leaving to Arcanea while searching for Ike and getting trapped in Archanea. -It is confirmed the outrealm gate is primarily dimensional travel, but it can do time travel as well. -There are absolutely no links between Elibe and Archanea. They're in different universes. Also their lore contradicts each other. Magvel also has no links to the main universe. -Three Hopes is not a spinoff and is canon to Fodlan. Just because it's a different genre doesn't mean it's not canon and it contains information essential for understanding Fodlan lore. It even has the same developers and writers as Three Houses. It is canon, unlike Warriors which is a complete nonsense spinoff and Tokyo Mirage Sessions which is more-so a Persona game than a Fire Emblem game. -Super Paper Mario is a good game. It may not be a traditional RPG rather being a 2D platformer with minor RPG mechanics but it's still super fun with a great story and atmosphere and fun mechanics. It's FAR better than crap like Sticker Star, Color Splash, and Origami King. Origami King could have been good tho if they just ditched turn based battles entirely and made the combat more like Zelda as the devs clearly wanted to do.
I was amazed to learn Kaga had such involvement with Rpg maker (I'm writing an rpg maker video script now. Go figure). I'll give Three Hopes a go, I've had a few other commenter's recommend it, and I'm not too stubborn to change my mind. I like your theory about one of Ikes friends searching for him in Archanea.
I think what you're referring to about the petting minigame still being present is when you enter your room and your partner is sleeping. It prompts you to wake them up by touching the screen.
Could be. Or maybe I read about the tapping before playing the game and it Mandela effected me, who knows. I just think oggling the romance interest is much more akward than tapping
Fun fact, like the Dorcas posion meme the Eirika & Ephraim incest was also referenced in Fire Emblem Heroes, where Ephraim says there are rumors about him being too close to his sister, he calls those rumors "Disgusting" which kind of became another meme itself.
@@WesDoesGames it's fun as long as you don't take PvP seriously at all, just grind for your favorite characters and experience the memes, like Edelgard losing the A Hero Rises tournament in the first round for 6 years in a row despite having the largest team
"Disgusting" was already a meme before FEH, which was referenced in that alt. It's much like how the first Roy alt has him say "I'm... your boy? Huh?" because "Roy's our Boy" was a meme before
I absolutely love Hikaru Midorikawa’s performance as Marth. Crazy to think these days many people confuse him for a different voice actor because of how deep his voice has gotten over the years of voicing Marth. (Like the transition from Smash Melee to Smash Ultimate and such.)
That makes sense. I feel like people's voices just tend to naturally get deeper over time. There's a podcast I like called Welcome to Nightvale, and the narrators voice is unrecognizable hundreds of episodes later
Regarding the worlds being connected, there's a theory that Fodlan is in the same world as both Archanea/Ylisse and maybe Elibe. For Elibe the theory goes that Sothis is actually a dragon from the Nabata desert, hence her children being known as the Nabateans. As for Archanea and Ylisse, the Regalia weapons Gradivus, Parthia and Hauteclere are present in Fodlan
His game is kinda ass I ain't gonna front. It was interesting going from Thracia to it tho. The dev team carried over a lot of ideas into BB, but also made a lot of things ultra annoying.
@@WesDoesGames I assume you also haven't played Thracia but the game feels like a watered down Thracia imho, especially since I played BB right AFTER I played Thracia. A lot of the map design felt drawn out to the point of absurdity, especially in the later chapters. There is a lot of padding design and what I deem to be fairly artificial difficulty. Also it is the game that gave me an eternal dislike of every Bolting sorcerer ever. I wish to emphasize this was also on Normal mode. I don't want to go into too much detail as to not spoil anything for you, overall it's a game that commited the cardinal sin of being both boring and annoying. Also could never relate to the cast, Roy is just such a wet blanket, honestly my least favorite lord in the series. How was this guy more popular than mofuking Ike!?
59:14 I'm actually cackling at the realization that Delthea's crying out for her brother and then noticing that *HE GAINS EXP AFTER THE BATTLE* like GIRL he is the one killing you! It's hilarious when combined with your voice over like "Damn that was really sad" while Luthier is like fortnite default dancing just offscreen.
56:09 "He must have existed in their world" Chrom literally saying "another world" A lot of this stuff is not meant to he taken seriously like the engage line about three houses being a book series.
someone probably did comment on this before, but Owain, Severa and Laslow all travel to Nohr sometime after the events of Awakening, so Fatesland definitely isn't in the past! the paralogue definitely is, and it's even funny when you pick Owain and he tries to hide his relationship to Lissa
Right when I think I know everything about FE, there's always one more thing I find out about. Personally, I had no idea FE Awakening had a website that gave background context to chapters. Great vid
About Emile/ Death Knight: In his A support with Mercedes (I believe) it is implied or maybe explicitly stated the first person he murdered was their 'second' father and what triggered him into doing it was the suggestion that since he wasn't able of having children bearing a crest with Mercedes and Emile's mom he was going to try with Mercie next. So yayyyyyyy that just makes his entire backstory like 10 times worse whooohooooo
Hey man, this is a very informative video! I think your research into the topics is well informed, which is good, because that's what you expect with this kind of topic. However, it's also very distracting when you're stopping the informative parts of the video to make the thirteenth jab at the quality of Engage. Totally understandable if you don't like whatever game you play, but when it comes to iceberg videos, I think it could stand to be a bit more objective. It really kind of stops being funny after the forth or fifth joke, and just feels weirdly petty towards an installment you didn't like. The point was made the first time, it really didn't need to be made several more times over.
How do we not have raysons boss conversation with Ashnard as you can only get it by doing the dumbest thing in the game putting your dancer in front of the final boss that gives the motivation behind the entire war
@@WesDoesGames hence why it should be on the ice berg as it is a lesser known trivia peace that somewhat recontexualizes numerous plot points form evil for the sake of evil to evil for the sake of progress
@@blankblank6214 there's alot more Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn stuff I wanted to add, but footage for either is not super abundant. Finding a decent clip of Sorens mom, for example, was a huge chore. Someday I'd like to record a playthrough of both games and categorize things like that, but I don't know how many people would care lol
I got one, if you make Jill fight Ashnard (which is stupid but I wanted to check if there was dialogue), they will talk about Jill's father, and how he died for no reason thinking he would gain Ashnard's respect, a very summarized version would be this: "Ahsnard!" "What's this? If you have complaints to the king, come later" "Commander Shiharam! Why did he have to die?! He did all he could for Daein's army, and you never recognized his efforts!" "Shiharam? There was never a man named Shiharam" (More dialogue here that I don't remember) "Ashnard! ASHNARD!! I'll never forgive you! NEVER!!"
Great iceberg. Here are some of my favorite secrets, easter eggs, and theories that weren't mention: Fe7 canto+ glitch: if one of your mounted unit's attack on an active tile, they can use their extra move to move after fighting. For example, you can torch staff a tile and then attacked on it with a flier. Fe7 Ninian arena exploit: Ninian's grace and then rescue that unit. Next turn, drop them, dance them so they go into the arena buffed up, rescue them again, and repeat. Fe4 opening cutscenes: a different scene is added to the opening for each time you've beaten the game. These extra scenes are very cool and give context to the story such as how Lewyn survived. Fe4 easter egg items: So many cool items are actively hidden and can be found when you place a specific unit in the middle of nowhere. For example, kill a certain boss with Seliph and place him in a certain spot. Kaga's notes for Fe4: Kaga's notes had what if scenerios for Genealogy because Genealogy was originally going to be split up into 3 parts instead of 2. These scenarios would take place somewhere between the first and second half of the game. Thracia 776 stone statues: at the end of ch.4 , there is cutscene of Julius with four statues in each corner of the room he is in. These statues are theorized to be characters from the first part of Genealogy that were turned into stone.
Thanks for sharing! I haven't heard of any of these minus the extra scenes from FE4. I had to search forever to find that clip of Forseti resurrecting Lewyn. I didnt know there were more scenes as well though, that's such a cool detail. Wish newer games would do stuff like that
So some other things thing I have noticed you missed out on is the Fe 6 manga a side story that’s happening at the same to fe6 and the characters are referenced in game with Al’s sword,Gants lance,and tienas staff There was a Japanese exclusive event with the convenience store 7 eleven in shadows of velentia where you can get 7 eleven themed food item and weapon like the 7 sword and eleven shield where you get a stat boost on turns 7 through 11 The multiple falchion’s with the series the ones being marths and alms falchion but there is also other variant you can get in the ds remake being the true falchion by beating garnif with the starlight tomb or getting the replacement falchion by going to chapter 25x this one being a slightly weaker version of the true one *Addendum to multiple falchions in Kirby super star ultra you can get it as a collectible in the game *Note this one is debatable but I wanted to bring it up.The abundance amounts of either accidental or intentional incest within the series. IE intentional with the events of Fe 4 literally happened cause of incest,and the accident incident like in Fe6 and 7 Eliwood and Hector can marry one of the Pegasus sister’s and due to the ambiguity of the two games it’s possible that Roy and Lilina might be cousins
Thanks for the detailed response! I didn't know about the 7-11 thing, that would have made a great topic. Though I imagine clips and footage would be hard to find for that one
1:07:00 or so: you actually don’t have to defeat Kishuna in “Genesis” to unlock Nergal’s and Nils’ extra dialogue, only in “Prisoner of Magic” (to unlock “A Glimpse in Time”) and “The Value of Life.” You do have to play through “Genesis” though, just like the rest of the chapters featuring Kishuna. But scaring him away by attacking him or opening his door is enough.
Just saying, I think Path of Radiance, and probably Radiant Dawn, maybe both or one of them, are part of the same timeline too as Priam exists in Ylisse and Chrom and Robin apparently know of the Legendary Hero Ike and his exploits and Priam is Ike's descendant just as Walhart is the descendant of Alm and Celica. Jugdral seems to be connected directly too because in Thracia 776, beating the game and keeping Lifis alive says he ends up finding a country that ends up having problems very similar to what Archanea faces generations later.
They dont they both have entirely seperate and distinct lores and gods. With ashunera creating the zunanma and flooding the entire earth and the ylisse/valentia world being shaped ruled and created by divine dragons and subdragons like earth dragons (medeus mila and duma). The 12 deadlords we see in awakening arent even the original 12 deadlords either. A lot of the fanservice in awakening is not meant to be taken seriously bc it was the last game in the series and the writers didnt gaf (most of theme didnt even work on the older games)
@@mtj8870 I'm sure Priam was a "whatever" addition without a ton of respect for how it would affect the lore, but nevertheless his inclusion does raise alot of questions
@@WesDoesGames yeah i like how they discredit him a lot in heroes after they realized their mistake. Multiple forging bonds of ike being annoyed by him and implying he's a fraud
Aktually the three houses devs have said that it might be in the same world as arcanea [all the places named after characters from fe1/fe4] and they have the Wo Dao [literally a thing said to be uniqe to Karel's family, so FE10, 11, and 12 having it puts Elibe telius and arcena in the same world lol (Either someone forgot or it's just cannon because in FE8 has the shamshir in place of the Wo Dao [literally same item id and stats] specifically to not have this kind of thing, but it's maybe? placed in acenea by the maybe? falchion legend)]. Basically only engage doesn't fit in one world lol, but even then it refers to Lucina, and marth/tiki being from different worlds so yeah with engage's writing "worlds" could literally mean other times, this is also something you have to accept for the Nils is Forsetti theory as the dragon's gate is said to be another world but it'd have to be another time because if FE7 and 4 are in the same world then FE4 has to be before 7 as the Ending winter or dragon decline hasn't happened by the time of the original crusades. [It is specifically stated that the ending winter is world wide] There is an FEU thread that documents Canas's alt death quote, yes you do need to beat the game 8 whole times, start to finish to get it... or just own a JP copy and use the FE6 transfer bonus system lol. I am on team Binding blade remake Corrin is actually very fun in smash Celica's death was likely to be used in Act 6 where there is literally no story content that would need to be changed lol It's possible the Bernie support change was to keep it closer to the JP script, still a weird as hell change though, and I feel the game is worse off for it. NO NO NO he doesn't say Anier in JP he say the equivalent of Ae... ir..., he misses the middle syllable as such it's unclear which he says, the real problem is that the translation didn't make Anier and quintessence share letters/syllables to make the death quote vague like in the original. I also think this vague nature makes the death quote much more tragic, being unclear if Anier is even vaguely remembered. [tbh they should have just called quintessence Aegir like the JP script] Feye's AVO doesn't matter as you should anticipate her getting hit unless she's on a grave anyway lol, she's not exactly a great dodge tank and you usually have her go cleric for dance or mage to be good anyway which neither want to be on the front lines because they are oft at low HP or attacking from range. The Elibe Fire emblem is gem that locks away the binding blade and is used in Bern's coronation ceremony, it's not what seals Idunn, she is sealed by binding blade inside the dragon temple due to Hartmut feeling bad for her and not wanting to kill her, that's the same reason she's able to recover in the good ending, the binding blade makes the user's will reality. N-no???? the Fire emblem in three houses IS the crest of flames not Byleth by this logic Sothis, Byleth, Edelgard AND Nemesis are the fire emblem, which is absurd, the Fire emblem is just the crest of flames not the wielders. Epharim is in engage and the reason he's silent is because he's JP VA was either unavailable or did some bad shit, I can't remember. Also the incest take is dumb and anyone that reads into that, needs to take a step back. Also also paired endings are platonic all the time lol. I'm a little surprised that you didn't mention that in FE6 Galle was like 10,000% intended to be playable, it's actually insane how playable he was like my god. [only enemy with affinity, is located right in the middle of the playable characters in the game data, literally has AI designed for him to be recruited (I made a thread on FEU {originally from another comment section} all about his AI titled "Galle's AI write up from 6 months ago")] Same but with NIchol and Candance from fates. [Have crit lines, and cut-ins, Nichol has a real death quote and voice lines.(NO other capture bosses have these, not even some main story bosses have these)] And as for favorite games 1.Binding Blade - tense, fun, many good and fun units to use 2.Fates Conquest - tight gameplay, great cast to use, has Ophelia, but endgame does fall off 3.FE:Echoes:SOV - great story and presentation, actually better gameplay than people give credit [there is a lot to the weapon and inventory system], maps are weak but not as bad as people say due to the focus on unit capabilities, still would have liked better maps tho.
Wow, alot to dissect here. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I'll try to comment back soon, but in the meanwhile, I appreciate you taking the time to share your insights!
1:28:25 I don’t think Nils would do that. Nils says that if he stays in the human world his life span will be shortened which he warns Ninain about in Elwood and hers paired ending. He says he wants to live a full life so I don’t see him returning
I love watching videos like this about franchises I know too much about. I'm glad I knew at minimum surface level stuff about all of these except for Nils being Forseti and the Fates Fan Fic.
I think that'd go into the "spin off" category, which in fairness I should have included here, but time was limited. I'll keep it in mind! How do you even play Project X Zone 2 nowadays?
@@WesDoesGames - For it being Spin Off: Kinda. It was mostly a sequel to a franchise that has more to do with a different franchise (Super Robot Wars) than it being an spin-off. It was more of a crossover. - For how to play it: The seven seas are your friends. - For why it wasn't included here: Oh, makes sense.
To Japan, Dragon Quest *IS* RPG. It's like, genuinely a cultural phenomenon. It's ubiquitous. It's universal. Everyone plays dorakue, everyone eagerly awaits the next one. Dragon Quest is unquestionably the most influential to RPGs made after it. It is the progenitor.
a few comments and a correction! about skinship being removed in fire emblem fates - it was removed, technically. what you probably remember wasn't actually a part of the skinship minigame, but once s-supported with a partner would have minigames along the lines of skinship where you would blow into the microphone or tap on the screen. also 1:11:01 this doesn't normally show up at the end of the game because it has a ton of prerequisites (second playthrough, save data transfer from fe9 with ike and soren A support in both games, certain deployments in certain maps, having certain characters fight against each other in certain chapters, etc.) so it's usually missed because of all of the prerequisites this specific scene needs. and a bonus about this: in the second volume of the tellius recollection that if he did learn that he was the prince of daein he really wouldn't care because he had taken his own path. other than that this was an entertaining watch! loved the old ads placed in between. this was great dude keep up the good work
Thanks so much for the feedback and extra info! I'd be happy if I never heard the word "skinship" again though lol. The backstory for Soren is really interesting, especially how it's pieced together throughout both stories. I'd love to play PoR and RD soon and discover more stuff like that
@@WesDoesGames yeah definitely the name of it is... questionable lol. don't know what else to call it but thats what it was referred to in the japanese version so i've no clue what else to call it (doesn't help i haven't played it since the initial jp and eng releases). i do suggest playing fe10 on a second playthrough with the transfer bonuses and extra content, it's really interesting! id also check out the extended scripts if possible because those were unfortunately cut from the english and pal releases.
@@WesDoesGames It relates to possible ties Magvel might have to other continents. But, obviously like any theory without solid evidence, it’s something that few people are aware of or subscribe to, but I think there is lots of compelling evidence for it.
I was pretty excited when Corrin was announced for Smash. And speaking of Smash, I’m surprised that you didn’t mention the Amiibo in Fates. You can battle Marth, Ike, Robin, and Lucina with units referencing their allies from their respective games. You can have them work at a shop and by their exclusive equipment, even Robin referencing the fact that weapons can’t break. But the most important part that when you have Odin, Selena, and Laslow battle Robin and Lucina, they recognize they not the same ones from Awakening, they’re actually from Super Smash Brothers. Smash was also mentioned in heroes. Now I think Legendary Roy attack finisher, but there is also Legendary Female Corrin’s special is Negating Fang which is called Counter Surge in Japanese and for the Weave of Fates Forging Bonds in Fire Emblem Heroes, Sothis was asleep and said “You must… join Smash.” Which is clearly a direct reference to Byleth’s reveal trailer in Super Smash Brothers Ultimate.
You're right, I should have talked about Fates DLC. Honestly there's a ton I'd like to cover in a follow up video, so I'll keep this in mind. What else would you want to see?
I would like to see Cypher mentioned. Though it ended due to Feh, I did figure it was worth mentioning that that i did appear in Fire Emblem Games. For the Japanese version of Fates, there was a 3 Cypher characters that was given via a code. Cypher Marth, Cypher Lucina (Which is Masked Marth) and there is Cypher Minerva who is a unique Pegasus Knight Class where she has a S rank in Lances. In Echoes, you get to recruit 4 of some the original Cypher Characters Emma, Ranzal, Slade and Yuzu through paying and it’s not regional locked. I would like Warriors get talking about in some way in the iceberg, not to mention that Xander Promotion outfit is based on his Cypher Card Though, I am curious if is any mention of crossover ideas, I know there was this unique item in Echoes called the Eleven Sword and the Eleven Shield that had enhanced ability, but only through turns 7 to 11. And apparently, you get a random (I assume Japanese) food item as well that all characters will find delicious, though it’s only happened in Japan.
With this level of depht i cant help but think you left the "casual mode introduced in awakening" in for comment Engagement since it was introduced in the ds remakes i think and well here i am boosting the algorithm for u anyways :)
Technically in FE4 someone (generally Ayra's son) can marry Julia before that she recover from her amnesia and I think that the quote when both her and her lover return to the castle is changed after her recrutement
@@WesDoesGames And I mean, the story should be good but had too much cut from the 3 books that it was... Not counting localization changes and lack of the Festival DLC, so we lost some child parent development, that was pretty good, specially for Peri if she's the mom to Soleil.
Few Things (to my knowledge at least): -Though not explicitly said, one could derive a Fire Emblem timeline connecting all the games together (Source Gaming did the theory, highly recommend checking it out) -Byleth themselves wasn't the "Fire Emblem." It was the crest stone to the crest of flames. Byleth just happened to posses it as his heart so it would be a technicality -IDC what anybody says, Golden Deer was the cannon route. That's the hill I will DIE on lol
Nah im sorry but i dont care i love the engage character, at least most of them have great and fun fashion taste ✨ and theres rosado so thats a bonus point
Love what you love, I may bash it but I do see the good qualities of that game too. Citrinne, Lapis, Diamant, and Ivy had some depth and I liked them alot in particular
did we forget Priam is in Awakening and since he is confirmed to be a descendant of Ike the Radiant games has to be in the same world as all the archanea games
There is a different theory I've seen about Marianne's fate if she goes unrecruited in other routes that I personally like more: She goes to her paralogue alone like she normally does, but since she doesn't have allies to rescue her, she ends up dying in there since it is a difficult paralogue. It's still tragic but it's much better than the alternative of her taking her own life. Especially since she probably found some happiness with the Golden Deer similarly to what happens with Bernadetta and the Black Eagles even if you don't recruit her.
Actually buddy, Ike’s games are in the same world as Marth’s because in Awakening you play as his descendent who wields Ike’s same sword from both his games plus wear Ike’s headband
Addressing the games world building, I always believed Tellius games were conected someone to Awakaning since Priam appears on Awakening with a Ragnell who lost it's blessing
interestingly, about the Celica fact being the first lord to die without a game-over, its actually in fact, Corrin from Fates who was the first lord character that was able to die without a game-over, specifically in casual mode, where normally lords dying would be game-over. but Corrin actually lives and retreats in casual mode. so Celica deff would've been the 2nd lord in the series to die without a game-over, if echoes kept that in, as Corrin's the 1st lord to do this. other than that I always felt like FE6 was a very weird FE game, weird in the fact that its a "Sequel before the Prequel", despite it giving us Roy in smash. I felt Binding Blade was a very weird game cuz Lyn didn't exist, yet Hector and Eliwood do. and when Lyn existed in FE7, FE6 really raises a lot of questions about what could've happened to Lyn, how/where would she be in FE6, what her fate could've been. questions that a lot of people are very curious about as I'm sure an older Lyn could actually exist in FE6, depending on how they go about it. but Lyn's fate during the events of FE6's a fate we'll probably legit never know.
Well, I mean, retreating and dying are two different things, but that's interesting nonetheless. I agree about Lyn, her absence in fe6 is weird. I'd like to think she went back to being a nomad in Sacae, but of course if you marry her, you're dooming her canonically as we know Roy's mom dies.
Three Favorite Fire Emblem Games 1. Awakening - I liked the idea of their future offspring from a tragic future meeting their parents to help them change the narrative. - That point in the story where no choice or action can save that character from facing their destiny. That was a tear jerker moment. - Lucina
Tokyo Mirage Sessions is dumb? That makes literally zero sense unless you fully expected it to be a fully fledged Fire Emblem game and ignored all of the smt verse stuff that was to be in it. Sure there are things that fans of each respective series probably isnt thrilled with but I felt that the game was actually wonderfully fun and resonated with me infinitely more than smt or persona ever could and I’m disappointed that we will probably never get another one.
I spent about 5 months or so of my life since April of last year going through every Fire Emblem game from Genealogy up until Fates, having previously also played Awakening, 3 Houses and Engage (the latter of which actually inspired me to go on the journey). It was a heck of a ride, lots of really high ups (the tellius games) and really low lows (shadow dragon and new mystery), but it never ceased to at least provide a new experience with each game, and now has provided me with a few new favorites of all time. I'm looking forward to seeing how much of this I can actually recognize, as I don't really interact with the community at large and played the games at my own time and pace and mostly blind (apart from Thracia for which I followed a guide).
@@WesDoesGames Oh and btw. I thought it prudent to inform you within the short timeframe that this is going to be true that this video now has 776 likes.
@@ridleyroid9060 thanks for Engaging. I hope this video has Awakened your desire to play more Fire Emblem games............. Look at those Three Houses over there.
this was more of a serious iceberg but i was really hoping the bottomest layer would be unlocking xavier in thracia. in general i kinda wish there was more about jugdral games given how crazy they get, but thats just cuz theyre my favourites and actually the first ones i beat cuz im weird.
I had never played fire emblem until I saw blazing blade on the switch gba emulator, gave it a try and absolutely loved it, now i started engage and im planning on getting 3 houses too
I have the Fire Emblem Fates Special Edition set, i got it when i was like... 15? Its not my favorite Fire Emblem by far but i guess im glad i have it as a fan of the games
If I was to throw in a few dubious theories that might be worthy of the iceberg (some of these involve heroes and warriors sorry for that): 1. Tharja is the unofficial canon wife of male Robin or is at least Female Morgan’s biological mother: Tharja is literally the only woman to consistently show interest in Robin across all entries (duh) however Warriors seems to hint that Robin is actually kind of fond of her back even if he’s still a bit weirded out by her. She also showed up on his Brave Alt demonstration team for heroes alongside Morgan and Chrom, such a team is usually made up of people the character is closest with. Given female Morgan’s default hair color is also black I’d say it’s possible our crazy dark mage got what she wanted. Before anyone brings up Lucina, the way their relationship is portrayed tends to look more like Uncle Niece than anything else outside of awakening. 2. Edelgard was taken to Faerghus for her protection and possibly to serve as counter coup: evidence seems to suggest that Hubert’s father and the real lord Arundel saw what was coming with the nobles likely already jockeying against Edelgard’s father. So Arundel faked a defection to Faerghus and took Edelgard with him to help secure a possible alliance with King Lambert who was known to be a very outwardly looking and reform minded king, his wife also being Arundel’s sister. Edelgard was kept weirdly isolated in Faerghus it seems as not even Felix, Sylvain, and Ingrid who were Dimitri’s close friends at the time seemed to have met her even the Queen being bizarrely kept out of the loop. Edelgard’s location seems to have been top secret suggesting she may have basically been intended as a designated survivor. However the Agarthans seemed to have successfully turned Hubert’s father sometime after this and Thales murdered and replaced the real lord Arundel who then took Edelgard back to the Empire and the rest is gruesome human experimentation, a traumatized girl learning that religion is a lie, and inevitable bloody war. 3. Grima may have been made by from Duma’s child: This one is speculation I’ve heard floating around but Grima does have some likeness to Duma both in design and in operation.
@@WesDoesGames I mean it’s easy for them to hide it being canon; she’s crazy about him. It can be written off as just that with Robin being too nice to tell her to stop. Perfect cover.
When will the fire emblem players finally stop to try to impose their favorite parings as the CaNoN one ? It has been confirmed that multiple versions of the same world coexist in a multiverse so technically all the ways the game can end is canon in at least one timeline. Robin is not even always a man. And most hint on spin off were added because Tharja has became a popular waifu.
@@eleonorepb4565 what can I say, gets a bit tiring to see everyone default to Lucina, when the developers seem to have shoved that relationship around back into a box six feet under.
1:05:59 "which is not easy for a bard" Me who had him at level 20 when I beat the game: I would include either him or Ninian on every possible map and would make sure that every turn, and I mean EVERY turn, he would dance. Even if there was no practical reason I would always do it just for the EXP. Even when I was just spamming end turn I would have a unit wait in the same spot and then have him dance. He ended up reaching level 20 during the final map and on his final level up he got HP36-->HP37 which meant he could survive the dragons attack meaning I could have Athos attack and lose most of his health, safely have Nills dance and have Athos move away and have my only staff user left, Erk, who only had 36 health, heal Athos to full health and just do that repeatedly. Some may called this exploiting, but for me it shows that all that grinding paid off.
Fire Emblem is my favorite video game series of all time. It changed my life as a 16 girl playing my first Fe game (Path of Radiance). Since then I've played all the games except 2. Ive even played the spin off games. Thats how obsessed I am lol. Genuinely thank you for making this iceberg. It made my day
@@WesDoesGames The only 2 I haven't played are region locked in Japan (Not that that stopped me from playing fe6 or fe5) but the only 2 I haven't played are Fe Genealogy of the Holy War and Fe 3 which is the sequel to Marth's game. I'm actually learning Japanese currently so I can read the language and play Japan only games, but for those two I'll just play a translated version. I really wanna play Fe4. I love that you get to play as the children of the first cast
pretty good video op :> i esp enjoyed the cutaways to the Japanese commercials, they were a very nice touch! i knew most of the entries beforehand, save for the theories. you explained them pretty well imo!! I've played through the majority of the games in the series, but i think fates will always hold a special place in my heart. i think it did ride off the success of awakening for sure, and leaned hard into anime tropes more than its predecessors, but to me its a pretty good game. a lot more goofy and nonsensical for sure at times (nothing will ever be funnier to me than the baby microwave pocket dimensions being canon), but the gameplay and its cast has stayed memorable to me
Baby microwave dimension cracked me up. I'm learning the hard way just how many Fates fans there are from these comments, lol. I'm glad you have good memories of it though and I might give it another go
The fact that Intelligent Systems created Path of Radiance out of Shouzou Kaga's own notes, which themselves were instrumental in the manifestation of Berwick Saga, PROVES that back then, Fire Emblem was indeed made out of passion for Shouzou Kaga's work. This was why even the GBA games and Radiant Dawn, all of which Kaga had no direct involvement with, FEEL very much like the first 5 in the series. THAT'S why starting from Awakening, the new Fire Emblems suck in my opinion. They don't embrace Shouzou Kaga. They don't reconcile the fact that this series would not have existed without him. Rather, they distance themselves away from him, and did so in order to appeal to a larger audience, ultimately turning FE into yet another generic anime RPG series. Fire Emblem may have lived on and even became profitable because of that decision, but I'd rather have it die in a pure form with FE12 as the last entry, rather than watch it live on as a corrupted, zombified version of itself. Rambling aside, thanks for the great watch, Wesley. Learning more about my favorite/not favorite RPG series of all time is always fun to do in spare time.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the series too! I wouldn't say post Awakening sucks, but it does feel distinctly different for sure, especially in the writing. Feels like they were intentionally targeting an entirely different audience
@@HughAverageHomoMan That is true, but Fire Emblem wasn't an "anime" series in terms of tone until Awakening. FE1-12 didn't evoke any feelings of watching an anime or playing an anime game like Danganronpa. The older Fire Emblems had so much less cringe in them and were much more grounded.
@@torri776but yeah overall you're right lol. cringe is why I can't play FE games anymore. they decided weaboos with body pillows were a better audience.
Surprised the scramble dlcs for Fates weren't in here, cuz they were JP exclusive and were never released outside of japan for no known reason. And they were the only way to get unlimited Lodestar/Great lord class seals
I believe so but shipping may be more. Try to go through the checkout and see what it says, and if there's any issues you can email me at wesisdoingthings@gmail.com
Okay great video, I really enjoyed the deep dive and have learned a lot of things, the only thing I have to say is not mentioning fire emblem heroes here is in my opinion "wrong" even though that's a strong word. In my opinion it's Canon by Veronica being present in Engage, while also bringing a lot of characters together in like forging bonds or even the duos, to give us some extra info or show interactions between characters that don't meet in their own game
actually there is a theory that three houses is still connected to awakening, in a sense that fodland is the world lucina left behind in order to change the future where grima awakened
Having Nils as child Lewyn is crazy good. It would link the entire series together, as I see FE8 as the Gaiden to FE6+FE7. Magvel always seemed like the Australia continent to me, just a big ol island by itself. The only way we truly would know is in the FE4 remake. It actually makes a lot of sense to have Elibe be even farther in the past, especially considering they are the games that come immedately after judgral and the literal telling and showing of when there were still dragons living amongst humans even after the gate was closed. They surely used a lot of ideas and themes Kaga had lying around or shared with the group, and I'm sure they wanted to keep the series together in one universe still. i see the map like this and accoring to actual in game size, Judgral is like all of asia, Elibe is Europe, Archanea is North America, Valentia is South America, Magvel is Australia, Tellius is in a different timeline, I assume Fodlan is a continent north of Elibe, and Fateslandia is an ancient kingdom I assume that is now destroyed but from a far away pocket of some other continent. Basically only 3H now is the odd man out if they dont blatantly say it's stand alone like Tellius.
There actually is a little bit of circumstantial evidence to support Tellius and Fodlan existing in the Archanea timeline, Priam being probably the biggest piece of evidence for Tellius. Though it's really up to personal interpretation whether you consider him canon or not. Iirc some of Archanea's legendary weapons can be obtained in 3H (Parthia and whatnot), of course this isn't great evidence, but it exists.
I'm playing Awakening now and Forseti (a character from Geneology) is a tome you can get through spotpass. Likely just homages, but the argument could definitely be made that they're connected
There's a fan site recapping the stories. The actual Japanese website I found originally when researching the topic, but I lost the link and haven't been able to recover it. I tried using the wayback machine on the Awakening website and found it (I think) but, you know, it's in Japanese, so I couldn't navigate it
Umm acktuahlly path of radiance and radiant dawn exist in the same world as Shadow dragon and Awakening there's a character in awakening named Priam that is Ike's descendant the running theory is that telius predates archanea
I just gathered topics from different icebergs and sources rather than pulling from just one source. Some topics are too niche or not super interesting so I need to be selective
Vestaria saga is made using srpg studio, which has pretty terrible default graphics. I use that program myself, and I definitely am doing everything I can to make my games not look like that
Great video! I will say I was honestly a little surprised to hear you bring up a Xenologue for a connection between Arcanea and "Fates-Land" when Laslow, Odin and Selena are literally characters from Awakening that moved to Nohr at some point, but maybe I'm just too much of a Fates nerd. Other than that and the casual mode thing(which I saw another commenter already corrected), this is some nicely researched stuff! As far as I can tell at least lol I also wanna say, I had a VERY similar experience with Scarlet, but when I was playing Conquest instead of Revelations. I'd married her both of the times I played through Birthright, so imagine my horror when I finally played Conquest and found that they'd flayed the love of my life like an animal literally two seconds after she was spared. Absolutely BRUTAL... they did my girl so wrong
Okay, so you're in fact scorin with corrin, glad to meet you, lol. I'll agree with you that the gameplay in Engage and Fates is really good, definitely no argument from me there. I appreciate you taking the time to watch my video and comment. I'm always down with talking about Fire Emblem. And I'll also stand by pair ups. It does break the game, but with some tweaks it should have stayed in the series for good
I’m in your walls, 3 Hopes isn’t dumb! Take it back meanie grr Ok jk but real talk I think there’s some interesting stuff there for Hopes that ties into Houses as well (both lore and development wise) I don’t think it should be dismissed just because it’s a spinoff (though it’s also a kinda pseudo sequel soooo)
@@WesDoesGames hmm like all of the 3 leaders’ routes? It’s like an alternate future timeline thing but due to a different inciting event some plot revelation play out differently like the Tragedy of Duscur and there’s a bit more about Almyra AND Holst is playable
What's your top three favorite Fire Emblem games and why?
Awakening: My first fire emblem game and the one that got me into SRPG.
Three houses: The conversation I had with people and friends about which house we picked was really cool.
Engage: Funnest, game I have ever play. Maybe there's something better like "Unicorn overlord" or "Project Triangle" but Engage is what make me want to explore those games.
Now let me tell you my least favorite FE game (That I have played). Echos was so boring and had no replay value. I do thank it for introducing time wheel though.
Great list! I don't have anything to add, I totally agree. Have you played the original Blazing Blade on GBA?
@@WesDoesGames Oh hell yeah. Really love the GBA games. Lyn best FE girl BTW.
@@Wavele69I love Lyn. I was really close to doing a Lyn design for a shirt
Echoes, FE4, and Radiant Dawn!
Kind of a pet peeve of mine, but new mystery had casual mode. People constantly say awakening introduced it but a mote accurate way to say it would be that it introduced casual mode outside of Japan.
Great note, thank you for the clarification 😊
@@WesDoesGames of course, awakening had a great impact on the series regardless of if it introduced the feature or not. Great video overall btw. Unfortunately I had to skip the resident dawn parts since I haven't played it yet.
@@Theblaziken2000 it took me a moment to realize "Resident Dawn" wasn't like a Resident Evil Fire Emblem crossover game, lol.
Glad you liked the video, I appreciate it!
@@WesDoesGames radiant dawn lol, misclick+autocorrect is fun 🙃
I take it they weren't proud enough of New Mystery to sell it to us, but that might have helped the greater fandom learn of the modes and options it introduced. Still, you ARE among fans, so you definitely can't get away with that any more than 'FE13 introduced the Avatar!', or even 'FE12 introduced the Avatar!!!'.
Comment about Lyn's age topic- Roy and Lilina are 15 in FE6 so they would be born 5 years after the end of FE7, so even if Lyn was 15 she would have been 20 at the time. But also Lyn is only 15 at the beginning of the game in the JP version and there are two 1 year time skips not counting all the time traveling and battling (And the fact that she would technically be at least 15 and a half at the start of the game because we learn her age through the letter her mother sent out, the mother who has been dead for six months.) so she's probably still around 18 at the end of JP FE7.
I appreciate you taking the time to explain this and doing the math. Do you have any theories on why her age was changed in the English localization?
@@WesDoesGames It's probably like you said, because western audiences would accept it more if she was older. It's just one of those little tidbits that annoys me slightly because people use it to attack Lyn fans for being 'weird' when they themselves didn't look into it deeply enough.
Good video though!
They probably changed it because people might find it iffy that the relationship started when she was 15? Even though it doesn't make that much sense because Eliwood and Hector are 17 at the start of the game.
It really shouldn't be so much of an issue but Americans by and large seem to be extremely sensitive about that stuff so my guess is the change was made by someone who did not really notice how much time really elapses during the game and wanted to avoid minors implied to have had sex.
@@elecrom_9757 while it’s not that unusual for a 17-year-old boy to date a 16-year-old girl (as Lyn would be after the one-year time skip), the game doesn’t explicitly say that Eliwood and Hector are 17, or that Lyn is now 16.
You can do the math, of course: Eliwood and Hector have fought 30 duels, once every two months since they were 12 (as explained in their C support). But the game doesn’t expect its player base to do the math.
Lol, the mental gymnastics with this comment is hilarious. Well, if you looking at Lyn pr0n with this mindset makes you feel better then all power to you.
My favorite thing about the FE community is the universal agreement that the Fates continent is canonically named "Fateslandia". ESPECIALLY because of the fact that Fates is not the name of the game in Japanese. That makes it so much better to me
IFlandia lol
I'd call it Fuyuki land
...no one is gonna get that joke
@@Fermin-hw5pd FGO?
@@Zwei-II Yeah, exactly Fate Stay Night but Fuyuki also appears in FGO so yeah
A few corrections:
-Casual mode was introduced in New Mystery, not in Awakening.
-New Mystery also introduced the avatar system.
-BS Fire Emblem/Archanea Saga is 100% canon to the series.
-Vesteria Saga actually WAS made in RPG Maker, or at least the SRPG equivalent "SRPG Studio." Enterbrain is the former developer of the RPG Maker series and Kaga has been heavily involved in the Japanese RM community since the early 2000s. Also Vesteria Saga has very good map design, gameplay, and story. It's also quite funny. Highly recommend it even if the graphics are ass.
-Tellius takes place in a different world from Archanea definitively. Ike or Mist's descendants got to Archanea from an outrealm gate somewhere outside of Tellius across the sea and eventually led to Priam many generations later. My headcanon is that Mist and Boyd's son ended up leaving to Arcanea while searching for Ike and getting trapped in Archanea.
-It is confirmed the outrealm gate is primarily dimensional travel, but it can do time travel as well.
-There are absolutely no links between Elibe and Archanea. They're in different universes. Also their lore contradicts each other. Magvel also has no links to the main universe.
-Three Hopes is not a spinoff and is canon to Fodlan. Just because it's a different genre doesn't mean it's not canon and it contains information essential for understanding Fodlan lore. It even has the same developers and writers as Three Houses. It is canon, unlike Warriors which is a complete nonsense spinoff and Tokyo Mirage Sessions which is more-so a Persona game than a Fire Emblem game.
-Super Paper Mario is a good game. It may not be a traditional RPG rather being a 2D platformer with minor RPG mechanics but it's still super fun with a great story and atmosphere and fun mechanics. It's FAR better than crap like Sticker Star, Color Splash, and Origami King. Origami King could have been good tho if they just ditched turn based battles entirely and made the combat more like Zelda as the devs clearly wanted to do.
I was amazed to learn Kaga had such involvement with Rpg maker (I'm writing an rpg maker video script now. Go figure). I'll give Three Hopes a go, I've had a few other commenter's recommend it, and I'm not too stubborn to change my mind.
I like your theory about one of Ikes friends searching for him in Archanea.
I think what you're referring to about the petting minigame still being present is when you enter your room and your partner is sleeping. It prompts you to wake them up by touching the screen.
Could be. Or maybe I read about the tapping before playing the game and it Mandela effected me, who knows. I just think oggling the romance interest is much more akward than tapping
Fun fact, like the Dorcas posion meme the Eirika & Ephraim incest was also referenced in Fire Emblem Heroes, where Ephraim says there are rumors about him being too close to his sister, he calls those rumors "Disgusting" which kind of became another meme itself.
DISGUSTING.
I'm almost tempted to play Heroes just to see what other memes are out there
@@WesDoesGames it's fun as long as you don't take PvP seriously at all, just grind for your favorite characters and experience the memes, like Edelgard losing the A Hero Rises tournament in the first round for 6 years in a row despite having the largest team
"Disgusting" was already a meme before FEH, which was referenced in that alt. It's much like how the first Roy alt has him say "I'm... your boy? Huh?" because "Roy's our Boy" was a meme before
I absolutely love Hikaru Midorikawa’s performance as Marth. Crazy to think these days many people confuse him for a different voice actor because of how deep his voice has gotten over the years of voicing Marth. (Like the transition from Smash Melee to Smash Ultimate and such.)
That makes sense. I feel like people's voices just tend to naturally get deeper over time. There's a podcast I like called Welcome to Nightvale, and the narrators voice is unrecognizable hundreds of episodes later
Regarding the worlds being connected, there's a theory that Fodlan is in the same world as both Archanea/Ylisse and maybe Elibe. For Elibe the theory goes that Sothis is actually a dragon from the Nabata desert, hence her children being known as the Nabateans. As for Archanea and Ylisse, the Regalia weapons Gradivus, Parthia and Hauteclere are present in Fodlan
I like that theory
It's crazy how, so many damn years later, WE STILL DO NOT HAVE ROY'S TITLE OFFICIALLY.
It's a damn shame. Though it's honestly a toss up for me between Binding Blade and Geneology in terms of what I'd rather see remade first
His game is kinda ass I ain't gonna front.
It was interesting going from Thracia to it tho. The dev team carried over a lot of ideas into BB, but also made a lot of things ultra annoying.
@@ridleyroid9060 I haven't played BB yet, what are some of the issues?
@@WesDoesGames I assume you also haven't played Thracia but the game feels like a watered down Thracia imho, especially since I played BB right AFTER I played Thracia. A lot of the map design felt drawn out to the point of absurdity, especially in the later chapters. There is a lot of padding design and what I deem to be fairly artificial difficulty.
Also it is the game that gave me an eternal dislike of every Bolting sorcerer ever.
I wish to emphasize this was also on Normal mode.
I don't want to go into too much detail as to not spoil anything for you, overall it's a game that commited the cardinal sin of being both boring and annoying. Also could never relate to the cast, Roy is just such a wet blanket, honestly my least favorite lord in the series. How was this guy more popular than mofuking Ike!?
@@ridleyroid9060 that's a bummer. I'll set my expectations low when I go into the game but hopefully it won't be too bad
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I'm actually cackling at the realization that Delthea's crying out for her brother and then noticing that *HE GAINS EXP AFTER THE BATTLE* like GIRL he is the one killing you!
It's hilarious when combined with your voice over like "Damn that was really sad" while Luthier is like fortnite default dancing just offscreen.
It just gets worse the more you think about it, haha. So sad
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"He must have existed in their world"
Chrom literally saying "another world"
A lot of this stuff is not meant to he taken seriously like the engage line about three houses being a book series.
But I will take it seriously anyways because why not, lol
Also revelations is not lost media at all, the SE carts exist and the ROM is easily accessible and archived
Fair enough. Maybe I should have said "rare media"
@@WesDoesGamesI wouldn’t even say rare, it’s not hard at all to find. It’s just “not accessible by official means” media
@@aubreyh1930 exactly, and even then it is technically available by official means if you buy the SE cartridge
in japan the 3rd route wasn't included on the cart so japanese players can never play it legally without buying a western copy.
@@justhereforfun7288 still not lost media as the .cia is easily available
someone probably did comment on this before, but Owain, Severa and Laslow all travel to Nohr sometime after the events of Awakening, so Fatesland definitely isn't in the past! the paralogue definitely is, and it's even funny when you pick Owain and he tries to hide his relationship to Lissa
also the fact that Fire Emblem Heroes kinda makes all the different games (and even playthroughs!) part of the same multiverse
(definitely commenting before finishing the video lol, considering FEH was mentioned right after i made the second one XD)
Travelling to a different world doesn't mean not travelling to the past, they could have travelled way to the past where Fates was happening
My sleep deprived shitpost is the literal bottom of the iceberg. Couldn't be more proud.
Good video.
Holy shoot you came
Lots of mispronunciations@@WesDoesGames
@@nessdbest8708 thanks
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Right when I think I know everything about FE, there's always one more thing I find out about. Personally, I had no idea FE Awakening had a website that gave background context to chapters. Great vid
I love making these icebergs for the same reason. Gives me an excuse to learn more about a series I enjoy
About Emile/ Death Knight: In his A support with Mercedes (I believe) it is implied or maybe explicitly stated the first person he murdered was their 'second' father and what triggered him into doing it was the suggestion that since he wasn't able of having children bearing a crest with Mercedes and Emile's mom he was going to try with Mercie next.
So yayyyyyyy that just makes his entire backstory like 10 times worse whooohooooo
Hey man, this is a very informative video! I think your research into the topics is well informed, which is good, because that's what you expect with this kind of topic. However, it's also very distracting when you're stopping the informative parts of the video to make the thirteenth jab at the quality of Engage. Totally understandable if you don't like whatever game you play, but when it comes to iceberg videos, I think it could stand to be a bit more objective. It really kind of stops being funny after the forth or fifth joke, and just feels weirdly petty towards an installment you didn't like. The point was made the first time, it really didn't need to be made several more times over.
I hear you
How do we not have raysons boss conversation with Ashnard as you can only get it by doing the dumbest thing in the game putting your dancer in front of the final boss that gives the motivation behind the entire war
I mean, I've not been above sending units to their deaths to read character specific boss fight convos
@@WesDoesGames hence why it should be on the ice berg as it is a lesser known trivia peace that somewhat recontexualizes numerous plot points form evil for the sake of evil to evil for the sake of progress
@@blankblank6214 there's alot more Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn stuff I wanted to add, but footage for either is not super abundant. Finding a decent clip of Sorens mom, for example, was a huge chore. Someday I'd like to record a playthrough of both games and categorize things like that, but I don't know how many people would care lol
I got one, if you make Jill fight Ashnard (which is stupid but I wanted to check if there was dialogue), they will talk about Jill's father, and how he died for no reason thinking he would gain Ashnard's respect, a very summarized version would be this:
"Ahsnard!"
"What's this? If you have complaints to the king, come later"
"Commander Shiharam! Why did he have to die?! He did all he could for Daein's army, and you never recognized his efforts!"
"Shiharam? There was never a man named Shiharam" (More dialogue here that I don't remember)
"Ashnard! ASHNARD!! I'll never forgive you! NEVER!!"
Great iceberg. Here are some of my favorite secrets, easter eggs, and theories that weren't mention:
Fe7 canto+ glitch: if one of your mounted unit's attack on an active tile, they can use their extra move to move after fighting. For example, you can torch staff a tile and then attacked on it with a flier.
Fe7 Ninian arena exploit: Ninian's grace and then rescue that unit. Next turn, drop them, dance them so they go into the arena buffed up, rescue them again, and repeat.
Fe4 opening cutscenes: a different scene is added to the opening for each time you've beaten the game. These extra scenes are very cool and give context to the story such as how Lewyn survived.
Fe4 easter egg items: So many cool items are actively hidden and can be found when you place a specific unit in the middle of nowhere. For example, kill a certain boss with Seliph and place him in a certain spot.
Kaga's notes for Fe4: Kaga's notes had what if scenerios for Genealogy because Genealogy was originally going to be split up into 3 parts instead of 2. These scenarios would take place somewhere between the first and second half of the game.
Thracia 776 stone statues: at the end of ch.4 , there is cutscene of Julius with four statues in each corner of the room he is in. These statues are theorized to be characters from the first part of Genealogy that were turned into stone.
Thanks for sharing! I haven't heard of any of these minus the extra scenes from FE4. I had to search forever to find that clip of Forseti resurrecting Lewyn. I didnt know there were more scenes as well though, that's such a cool detail. Wish newer games would do stuff like that
So some other things thing I have noticed you missed out on is the
Fe 6 manga a side story that’s happening at the same to fe6 and the characters are referenced in game with Al’s sword,Gants lance,and tienas staff
There was a Japanese exclusive event with the convenience store 7 eleven in shadows of velentia where you can get 7 eleven themed food item and weapon like the 7 sword and eleven shield where you get a stat boost on turns 7 through 11
The multiple falchion’s with the series the ones being marths and alms falchion but there is also other variant you can get in the ds remake being the true falchion by beating garnif with the starlight tomb or getting the replacement falchion by going to chapter 25x this one being a slightly weaker version of the true one
*Addendum to multiple falchions in Kirby super star ultra you can get it as a collectible in the game
*Note this one is debatable but I wanted to bring it up.The abundance amounts of either accidental or intentional incest within the series. IE intentional with the events of Fe 4 literally happened cause of incest,and the accident incident like in Fe6 and 7 Eliwood and Hector can marry one of the Pegasus sister’s and due to the ambiguity of the two games it’s possible that Roy and Lilina might be cousins
Thanks for the detailed response! I didn't know about the 7-11 thing, that would have made a great topic. Though I imagine clips and footage would be hard to find for that one
I am indeed Scorin with da Corrin.
I stand corrected, there is one of you lol
@@WesDoesGames The one and only 👍
Ive been waiting for a fire emblem iceberg for a while now! Thank you
Hope you enjoy!
I think it worth say the hole celica death thing it was likely planned as post game thing as 2 of the 4 characters that react are in alms army.
That would make sense
1:07:00 or so: you actually don’t have to defeat Kishuna in “Genesis” to unlock Nergal’s and Nils’ extra dialogue, only in “Prisoner of Magic” (to unlock “A Glimpse in Time”) and “The Value of Life.”
You do have to play through “Genesis” though, just like the rest of the chapters featuring Kishuna. But scaring him away by attacking him or opening his door is enough.
Good to know!
Just saying, I think Path of Radiance, and probably Radiant Dawn, maybe both or one of them, are part of the same timeline too as Priam exists in Ylisse and Chrom and Robin apparently know of the Legendary Hero Ike and his exploits and Priam is Ike's descendant just as Walhart is the descendant of Alm and Celica. Jugdral seems to be connected directly too because in Thracia 776, beating the game and keeping Lifis alive says he ends up finding a country that ends up having problems very similar to what Archanea faces generations later.
I think you're right!
They dont they both have entirely seperate and distinct lores and gods. With ashunera creating the zunanma and flooding the entire earth and the ylisse/valentia world being shaped ruled and created by divine dragons and subdragons like earth dragons (medeus mila and duma). The 12 deadlords we see in awakening arent even the original 12 deadlords either.
A lot of the fanservice in awakening is not meant to be taken seriously bc it was the last game in the series and the writers didnt gaf (most of theme didnt even work on the older games)
@@mtj8870 I'm sure Priam was a "whatever" addition without a ton of respect for how it would affect the lore, but nevertheless his inclusion does raise alot of questions
@@WesDoesGames yeah i like how they discredit him a lot in heroes after they realized their mistake. Multiple forging bonds of ike being annoyed by him and implying he's a fraud
@@mtj8870 ha, I didn't know that was a thing in Heroes. Maybe it's time to play just for the memes
Aktually the three houses devs have said that it might be in the same world as arcanea [all the places named after characters from fe1/fe4] and they have the Wo Dao [literally a thing said to be uniqe to Karel's family, so FE10, 11, and 12 having it puts Elibe telius and arcena in the same world lol (Either someone forgot or it's just cannon because in FE8 has the shamshir in place of the Wo Dao [literally same item id and stats] specifically to not have this kind of thing, but it's maybe? placed in acenea by the maybe? falchion legend)].
Basically only engage doesn't fit in one world lol, but even then it refers to Lucina, and marth/tiki being from different worlds so yeah with engage's writing "worlds" could literally mean other times, this is also something you have to accept for the Nils is Forsetti theory as the dragon's gate is said to be another world but it'd have to be another time because if FE7 and 4 are in the same world then FE4 has to be before 7 as the Ending winter or dragon decline hasn't happened by the time of the original crusades.
[It is specifically stated that the ending winter is world wide]
There is an FEU thread that documents Canas's alt death quote, yes you do need to beat the game 8 whole times, start to finish to get it... or just own a JP copy and use the FE6 transfer bonus system lol.
I am on team Binding blade remake
Corrin is actually very fun in smash
Celica's death was likely to be used in Act 6 where there is literally no story content that would need to be changed lol
It's possible the Bernie support change was to keep it closer to the JP script, still a weird as hell change though, and I feel the game is worse off for it.
NO NO NO he doesn't say Anier in JP he say the equivalent of Ae... ir..., he misses the middle syllable as such it's unclear which he says, the real problem is that the translation didn't make Anier and quintessence share letters/syllables to make the death quote vague like in the original.
I also think this vague nature makes the death quote much more tragic, being unclear if Anier is even vaguely remembered. [tbh they should have just called quintessence Aegir like the JP script]
Feye's AVO doesn't matter as you should anticipate her getting hit unless she's on a grave anyway lol, she's not exactly a great dodge tank and you usually have her go cleric for dance or mage to be good anyway which neither want to be on the front lines because they are oft at low HP or attacking from range.
The Elibe Fire emblem is gem that locks away the binding blade and is used in Bern's coronation ceremony, it's not what seals Idunn, she is sealed by binding blade inside the dragon temple due to Hartmut feeling bad for her and not wanting to kill her, that's the same reason she's able to recover in the good ending, the binding blade makes the user's will reality.
N-no???? the Fire emblem in three houses IS the crest of flames not Byleth by this logic Sothis, Byleth, Edelgard AND Nemesis are the fire emblem, which is absurd, the Fire emblem is just the crest of flames not the wielders.
Epharim is in engage and the reason he's silent is because he's JP VA was either unavailable or did some bad shit, I can't remember.
Also the incest take is dumb and anyone that reads into that, needs to take a step back.
Also also paired endings are platonic all the time lol.
I'm a little surprised that you didn't mention that in FE6 Galle was like 10,000% intended to be playable, it's actually insane how playable he was like my god. [only enemy with affinity, is located right in the middle of the playable characters in the game data, literally has AI designed for him to be recruited (I made a thread on FEU {originally from another comment section} all about his AI titled "Galle's AI write up from 6 months ago")]
Same but with NIchol and Candance from fates. [Have crit lines, and cut-ins, Nichol has a real death quote and voice lines.(NO other capture bosses have these, not even some main story bosses have these)]
And as for favorite games
1.Binding Blade - tense, fun, many good and fun units to use
2.Fates Conquest - tight gameplay, great cast to use, has Ophelia, but endgame does fall off
3.FE:Echoes:SOV - great story and presentation, actually better gameplay than people give credit [there is a lot to the weapon and inventory system], maps are weak but not as bad as people say due to the focus on unit capabilities, still would have liked better maps tho.
Wow, alot to dissect here. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I'll try to comment back soon, but in the meanwhile, I appreciate you taking the time to share your insights!
Unnecessary yap
Still watching the video but I would like to say that Canas wouldn't sound like Anus if you pronounced it correctly as "Cuh-Naws"
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Wonder if debilitating loneliness and Fire emblem are connected?
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1:28:25
I don’t think Nils would do that. Nils says that if he stays in the human world his life span will be shortened which he warns Ninain about in Elwood and hers paired ending. He says he wants to live a full life so I don’t see him returning
Interesting point
@@WesDoesGames yeah I don’t see him returning for no reason tbh. Plus fe 4 was made by Kaga I don’t see why the fe 7 ppl would connect that
I love watching videos like this about franchises I know too much about. I'm glad I knew at minimum surface level stuff about all of these except for Nils being Forseti and the Fates Fan Fic.
I learned a ton researching for this video too. Fire Emblem has no shortage of Easter eggs
If you ever do a part 2 of this, you should also add how Chrom, Lucina and Adult Tiki are important characters in Project X Zone 2.
I think that'd go into the "spin off" category, which in fairness I should have included here, but time was limited. I'll keep it in mind! How do you even play Project X Zone 2 nowadays?
@@WesDoesGames - For it being Spin Off: Kinda. It was mostly a sequel to a franchise that has more to do with a different franchise (Super Robot Wars) than it being an spin-off. It was more of a crossover.
- For how to play it: The seven seas are your friends.
- For why it wasn't included here: Oh, makes sense.
To Japan, Dragon Quest *IS* RPG. It's like, genuinely a cultural phenomenon. It's ubiquitous. It's universal. Everyone plays dorakue, everyone eagerly awaits the next one.
Dragon Quest is unquestionably the most influential to RPGs made after it.
It is the progenitor.
a few comments and a correction!
about skinship being removed in fire emblem fates - it was removed, technically. what you probably remember wasn't actually a part of the skinship minigame, but once s-supported with a partner would have minigames along the lines of skinship where you would blow into the microphone or tap on the screen.
also 1:11:01 this doesn't normally show up at the end of the game because it has a ton of prerequisites (second playthrough, save data transfer from fe9 with ike and soren A support in both games, certain deployments in certain maps, having certain characters fight against each other in certain chapters, etc.) so it's usually missed because of all of the prerequisites this specific scene needs. and a bonus about this: in the second volume of the tellius recollection that if he did learn that he was the prince of daein he really wouldn't care because he had taken his own path.
other than that this was an entertaining watch! loved the old ads placed in between. this was great dude keep up the good work
Thanks so much for the feedback and extra info! I'd be happy if I never heard the word "skinship" again though lol. The backstory for Soren is really interesting, especially how it's pieced together throughout both stories. I'd love to play PoR and RD soon and discover more stuff like that
@@WesDoesGames yeah definitely the name of it is... questionable lol. don't know what else to call it but thats what it was referred to in the japanese version so i've no clue what else to call it (doesn't help i haven't played it since the initial jp and eng releases). i do suggest playing fe10 on a second playthrough with the transfer bonuses and extra content, it's really interesting! id also check out the extended scripts if possible because those were unfortunately cut from the english and pal releases.
The Kaga slander is not tolerated pls apologize now !
Anyways a really good video !
😂 Slander aside, he's obviously a genius and we wouldn't be here without his work. I appreciate you watching!
Didn’t cover my favorite theory, but that’s okay. It’s a pretty deep one, but Nils is Forsetti was a really cool addition!
What's the theory?
I also would like to know lol
@@lspuria8440 I can’t say it here, it is far too deep on the iceberg to project so wantonly.
@@illialidur8244 you tease
@@WesDoesGames It relates to possible ties Magvel might have to other continents. But, obviously like any theory without solid evidence, it’s something that few people are aware of or subscribe to, but I think there is lots of compelling evidence for it.
The Toomami styled Bumper for Fire Emblem was absolutely amazing
Finally a person of culture
Soleil wasn’t your only pronunciation error….
Go ahead, I'm ready 😂
@@WesDoesGames Thracia and Marths continent I can’t think of any more from the top of my head
@@WesDoesGamesLyon is pronounced Lee-on
@@chikin8895 is it?
4:00 Idk why but hearing Gut's theme in a video about Fire Emblem is very fitting
I was pretty excited when Corrin was announced for Smash. And speaking of Smash, I’m surprised that you didn’t mention the Amiibo in Fates. You can battle Marth, Ike, Robin, and Lucina with units referencing their allies from their respective games. You can have them work at a shop and by their exclusive equipment, even Robin referencing the fact that weapons can’t break. But the most important part that when you have Odin, Selena, and Laslow battle Robin and Lucina, they recognize they not the same ones from Awakening, they’re actually from Super Smash Brothers. Smash was also mentioned in heroes. Now I think Legendary Roy attack finisher, but there is also Legendary Female Corrin’s special is Negating Fang which is called Counter Surge in Japanese and for the Weave of Fates Forging Bonds in Fire Emblem Heroes, Sothis was asleep and said “You must… join Smash.” Which is clearly a direct reference to Byleth’s reveal trailer in Super Smash Brothers Ultimate.
You're right, I should have talked about Fates DLC. Honestly there's a ton I'd like to cover in a follow up video, so I'll keep this in mind. What else would you want to see?
I would like to see Cypher mentioned. Though it ended due to Feh, I did figure it was worth mentioning that that i did appear in Fire Emblem Games. For the Japanese version of Fates, there was a 3 Cypher characters that was given via a code. Cypher Marth, Cypher Lucina (Which is Masked Marth) and there is Cypher Minerva who is a unique Pegasus Knight Class where she has a S rank in Lances.
In Echoes, you get to recruit 4 of some the original Cypher Characters Emma, Ranzal, Slade and Yuzu through paying and it’s not regional locked.
I would like Warriors get talking about in some way in the iceberg, not to mention that Xander Promotion outfit is based on his Cypher Card
Though, I am curious if is any mention of crossover ideas, I know there was this unique item in Echoes called the Eleven Sword and the Eleven Shield that had enhanced ability, but only through turns 7 to 11. And apparently, you get a random (I assume Japanese) food item as well that all characters will find delicious, though it’s only happened in Japan.
It's not pronounced "Arkania", it's "Arka-neia", as you can see from the japanese name "アカネイア" "Akaneia"
Thanks for the info
With this level of depht i cant help but think you left the "casual mode introduced in awakening" in for comment Engagement since it was introduced in the ds remakes i think and well here i am boosting the algorithm for u anyways :)
Lol no conspiracies on my end, just meant to say "introduced in the west" since new emblem was Japanese only
The crazy thing is not even that Emeryn has amnesia, she literally has brain damage and can't speak in full sentences. AND YOU CAN ROMANCE HER
MARRY THAT GIRL
Marry her despite brain damage anyways
No f*cking wonder she has brain damage, her skull should have crashed in 2
Technically in FE4 someone (generally Ayra's son) can marry Julia before that she recover from her amnesia and I think that the quote when both her and her lover return to the castle is changed after her recrutement
I'm dying, the idea of fates being written by Inigo is hilarious! I have such a love hate relationship to fates
Me too. Story is crap, but the gameplay is really solid
@@WesDoesGames And I mean, the story should be good but had too much cut from the 3 books that it was... Not counting localization changes and lack of the Festival DLC, so we lost some child parent development, that was pretty good, specially for Peri if she's the mom to Soleil.
Few Things (to my knowledge at least):
-Though not explicitly said, one could derive a Fire Emblem timeline connecting all the games together (Source Gaming did the theory, highly recommend checking it out)
-Byleth themselves wasn't the "Fire Emblem." It was the crest stone to the crest of flames. Byleth just happened to posses it as his heart so it would be a technicality
-IDC what anybody says, Golden Deer was the cannon route. That's the hill I will DIE on lol
Nah im sorry but i dont care i love the engage character, at least most of them have great and fun fashion taste ✨ and theres rosado so thats a bonus point
Love what you love, I may bash it but I do see the good qualities of that game too. Citrinne, Lapis, Diamant, and Ivy had some depth and I liked them alot in particular
Binding blade is a “sequel” to blazing blade
did we forget Priam is in Awakening and since he is confirmed to be a descendant of Ike the Radiant games has to be in the same world as all the archanea games
There is a different theory I've seen about Marianne's fate if she goes unrecruited in other routes that I personally like more:
She goes to her paralogue alone like she normally does, but since she doesn't have allies to rescue her, she ends up dying in there since it is a difficult paralogue.
It's still tragic but it's much better than the alternative of her taking her own life. Especially since she probably found some happiness with the Golden Deer similarly to what happens with Bernadetta and the Black Eagles even if you don't recruit her.
I do like that theory but being killed alone doesn't seem much happier, lol
Actually buddy, Ike’s games are in the same world as Marth’s because in Awakening you play as his descendent who wields Ike’s same sword from both his games plus wear Ike’s headband
I think I covered that in my video, lol
Literally 5 seconds in, you had me at metal gear AND fire emblem iceberg vids. Keep it up 👍
Want to suggest a third iceberg topic? Maybe we'll be on the same page...
I guess you gotta do Twin Peaks next.
28:51 Don't insult my girl like that
She's actually my fav character in fates
Wendy's mascot > Sakura
I hope that there’s one with all games and spin off in the future
Same, FE4&FE5 are must plays for any true FE fans
@@chikin8895 I never beat fe5 but it’s very fun
Addressing the games world building, I always believed Tellius games were conected someone to Awakaning since Priam appears on Awakening with a Ragnell who lost it's blessing
interestingly, about the Celica fact being the first lord to die without a game-over,
its actually in fact, Corrin from Fates who was the first lord character that was able to die without a game-over, specifically in casual mode, where normally lords dying would be game-over. but Corrin actually lives and retreats in casual mode.
so Celica deff would've been the 2nd lord in the series to die without a game-over, if echoes kept that in, as Corrin's the 1st lord to do this.
other than that I always felt like FE6 was a very weird FE game, weird in the fact that its a "Sequel before the Prequel", despite it giving us Roy in smash.
I felt Binding Blade was a very weird game cuz Lyn didn't exist, yet Hector and Eliwood do.
and when Lyn existed in FE7, FE6 really raises a lot of questions about what could've happened to Lyn,
how/where would she be in FE6, what her fate could've been.
questions that a lot of people are very curious about as I'm sure an older Lyn could actually exist in FE6, depending on how they go about it. but Lyn's fate during the events of FE6's a fate we'll probably legit never know.
Well, I mean, retreating and dying are two different things, but that's interesting nonetheless.
I agree about Lyn, her absence in fe6 is weird. I'd like to think she went back to being a nomad in Sacae, but of course if you marry her, you're dooming her canonically as we know Roy's mom dies.
To be fair, Roy does appear in Blazing Blade 🤓
Amazing video though
Oh yeah! Baby Roy
@@WesDoesGames Yep
I think the most interesting thing about three houses is that to learn anything about Monica you have to play three hopes which is a spin off game
Three Favorite Fire Emblem Games
1. Awakening
- I liked the idea of their future offspring from a tragic future meeting their parents to help them change the narrative.
- That point in the story where no choice or action can save that character from facing their destiny. That was a tear jerker moment.
- Lucina
59:14 "Luthier, are you there? It hurts" .
"OMG that's so sad"
*Luthier get EXP*
What.
Btw I thought Celica was allowed to die during the postgame. Is that not the case?
Ghost experience
TMS is peak fire emblem
Shin Megami Tensei is my favourite Fire Emblem game
Tokyo Mirage Sessions is dumb? That makes literally zero sense unless you fully expected it to be a fully fledged Fire Emblem game and ignored all of the smt verse stuff that was to be in it. Sure there are things that fans of each respective series probably isnt thrilled with but I felt that the game was actually wonderfully fun and resonated with me infinitely more than smt or persona ever could and I’m disappointed that we will probably never get another one.
I'm glad you liked it and may give it another go someday, but it wasn't for me
I spent about 5 months or so of my life since April of last year going through every Fire Emblem game from Genealogy up until Fates, having previously also played Awakening, 3 Houses and Engage (the latter of which actually inspired me to go on the journey).
It was a heck of a ride, lots of really high ups (the tellius games) and really low lows (shadow dragon and new mystery), but it never ceased to at least provide a new experience with each game, and now has provided me with a few new favorites of all time.
I'm looking forward to seeing how much of this I can actually recognize, as I don't really interact with the community at large and played the games at my own time and pace and mostly blind (apart from Thracia for which I followed a guide).
That's awesome, I'd love to take that journey someday too. Were Shadow Dragon and NM unenjoyable for story or gameplay?
@@WesDoesGames I think Shadow Dragon and NM were just aggressively mediocre tbh. And also those graphics....yeah, the less said about that the better.
@@WesDoesGames Oh and btw. I thought it prudent to inform you within the short timeframe that this is going to be true that this video now has 776 likes.
@@ridleyroid9060 thanks for Engaging. I hope this video has Awakened your desire to play more Fire Emblem games............. Look at those Three Houses over there.
You're telling me I've been playing some lost media of FE IF this whole time??? No wonder people never talked about it
Hold onto it if you have it!
this was more of a serious iceberg but i was really hoping the bottomest layer would be unlocking xavier in thracia.
in general i kinda wish there was more about jugdral games given how crazy they get, but thats just cuz theyre my favourites and actually the first ones i beat cuz im weird.
My knowledge is pretty limited on the non American releases but I'm hoping to play them soon :)
@@WesDoesGames woah that was a fast response. good luck dude.
I had never played fire emblem until I saw blazing blade on the switch gba emulator, gave it a try and absolutely loved it, now i started engage and im planning on getting 3 houses too
That's awesome! It's a great series, you'll be hooked
I have the Fire Emblem Fates Special Edition set, i got it when i was like... 15? Its not my favorite Fire Emblem by far but i guess im glad i have it as a fan of the games
That thing is my white whale. Wish I had gotten it before the prices skyrocketed. Not my favorite game either, but I'm a sucker for special editions
Im not aure of the specifics but one sacred stones support talks aboiy a warrior who is implied to be from another game. I forget which.
If you ever play FE6, please use a guide. Itll make the experience much much smoother
Pretty banging video man.
Shadows of Valentia s definitely my favorite
If I was to throw in a few dubious theories that might be worthy of the iceberg (some of these involve heroes and warriors sorry for that):
1. Tharja is the unofficial canon wife of male Robin or is at least Female Morgan’s biological mother: Tharja is literally the only woman to consistently show interest in Robin across all entries (duh) however Warriors seems to hint that Robin is actually kind of fond of her back even if he’s still a bit weirded out by her. She also showed up on his Brave Alt demonstration team for heroes alongside Morgan and Chrom, such a team is usually made up of people the character is closest with. Given female Morgan’s default hair color is also black I’d say it’s possible our crazy dark mage got what she wanted. Before anyone brings up Lucina, the way their relationship is portrayed tends to look more like Uncle Niece than anything else outside of awakening.
2. Edelgard was taken to Faerghus for her protection and possibly to serve as counter coup: evidence seems to suggest that Hubert’s father and the real lord Arundel saw what was coming with the nobles likely already jockeying against Edelgard’s father. So Arundel faked a defection to Faerghus and took Edelgard with him to help secure a possible alliance with King Lambert who was known to be a very outwardly looking and reform minded king, his wife also being Arundel’s sister. Edelgard was kept weirdly isolated in Faerghus it seems as not even Felix, Sylvain, and Ingrid who were Dimitri’s close friends at the time seemed to have met her even the Queen being bizarrely kept out of the loop. Edelgard’s location seems to have been top secret suggesting she may have basically been intended as a designated survivor. However the Agarthans seemed to have successfully turned Hubert’s father sometime after this and Thales murdered and replaced the real lord Arundel who then took Edelgard back to the Empire and the rest is gruesome human experimentation, a traumatized girl learning that religion is a lie, and inevitable bloody war.
3. Grima may have been made by from Duma’s child: This one is speculation I’ve heard floating around but Grima does have some likeness to Duma both in design and in operation.
I think Robin and Tharja being canon makes alot of sense
@@WesDoesGames I mean it’s easy for them to hide it being canon; she’s crazy about him. It can be written off as just that with Robin being too nice to tell her to stop. Perfect cover.
When will the fire emblem players finally stop to try to impose their favorite parings as the CaNoN one ? It has been confirmed that multiple versions of the same world coexist in a multiverse so technically all the ways the game can end is canon in at least one timeline. Robin is not even always a man. And most hint on spin off were added because Tharja has became a popular waifu.
@@eleonorepb4565 what can I say, gets a bit tiring to see everyone default to Lucina, when the developers seem to have shoved that relationship around back into a box six feet under.
@@ranger24fffrom what I saw the pairing branded as the default one by the fandom for Robin is Chrobin , for the two versions of Robin.
1:05:59 "which is not easy for a bard" Me who had him at level 20 when I beat the game:
I would include either him or Ninian on every possible map and would make sure that every turn, and I mean EVERY turn, he would dance. Even if there was no practical reason I would always do it just for the EXP. Even when I was just spamming end turn I would have a unit wait in the same spot and then have him dance. He ended up reaching level 20 during the final map and on his final level up he got HP36-->HP37 which meant he could survive the dragons attack meaning I could have Athos attack and lose most of his health, safely have Nills dance and have Athos move away and have my only staff user left, Erk, who only had 36 health, heal Athos to full health and just do that repeatedly. Some may called this exploiting, but for me it shows that all that grinding paid off.
That's dedication
You can definatly marry anna in awakening and fates. It didnt start in engage
Fire Emblem is my favorite video game series of all time. It changed my life as a 16 girl playing my first Fe game (Path of Radiance). Since then I've played all the games except 2. Ive even played the spin off games. Thats how obsessed I am lol. Genuinely thank you for making this iceberg. It made my day
I'm really glad you enjoyed it. What are the two you haven't played?
@@WesDoesGames The only 2 I haven't played are region locked in Japan (Not that that stopped me from playing fe6 or fe5) but the only 2 I haven't played are Fe Genealogy of the Holy War and Fe 3 which is the sequel to Marth's game. I'm actually learning Japanese currently so I can read the language and play Japan only games, but for those two I'll just play a translated version. I really wanna play Fe4. I love that you get to play as the children of the first cast
pretty good video op :> i esp enjoyed the cutaways to the Japanese commercials, they were a very nice touch! i knew most of the entries beforehand, save for the theories. you explained them pretty well imo!!
I've played through the majority of the games in the series, but i think fates will always hold a special place in my heart. i think it did ride off the success of awakening for sure, and leaned hard into anime tropes more than its predecessors, but to me its a pretty good game. a lot more goofy and nonsensical for sure at times (nothing will ever be funnier to me than the baby microwave pocket dimensions being canon), but the gameplay and its cast has stayed memorable to me
Baby microwave dimension cracked me up. I'm learning the hard way just how many Fates fans there are from these comments, lol.
I'm glad you have good memories of it though and I might give it another go
The fact that Intelligent Systems created Path of Radiance out of Shouzou Kaga's own notes, which themselves were instrumental in the manifestation of Berwick Saga, PROVES that back then, Fire Emblem was indeed made out of passion for Shouzou Kaga's work. This was why even the GBA games and Radiant Dawn, all of which Kaga had no direct involvement with, FEEL very much like the first 5 in the series.
THAT'S why starting from Awakening, the new Fire Emblems suck in my opinion. They don't embrace Shouzou Kaga. They don't reconcile the fact that this series would not have existed without him. Rather, they distance themselves away from him, and did so in order to appeal to a larger audience, ultimately turning FE into yet another generic anime RPG series. Fire Emblem may have lived on and even became profitable because of that decision, but I'd rather have it die in a pure form with FE12 as the last entry, rather than watch it live on as a corrupted, zombified version of itself.
Rambling aside, thanks for the great watch, Wesley. Learning more about my favorite/not favorite RPG series of all time is always fun to do in spare time.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the series too! I wouldn't say post Awakening sucks, but it does feel distinctly different for sure, especially in the writing. Feels like they were intentionally targeting an entirely different audience
FE always had a anime artsyle lmao.
@@HughAverageHomoMan That is true, but Fire Emblem wasn't an "anime" series in terms of tone until Awakening. FE1-12 didn't evoke any feelings of watching an anime or playing an anime game like Danganronpa. The older Fire Emblems had so much less cringe in them and were much more grounded.
@@torri776Boy you really don't have experience with 90s and 80s anime, do you.
@@torri776but yeah overall you're right lol. cringe is why I can't play FE games anymore. they decided weaboos with body pillows were a better audience.
Loved this video!
Thanks Shaun!
corrin is my GOAT man hes my favorite avatar frfr. gotta love that dragon foot freako.
Dragonbois ❤️🐉
Surprised the scramble dlcs for Fates weren't in here, cuz they were JP exclusive and were never released outside of japan for no known reason. And they were the only way to get unlimited Lodestar/Great lord class seals
I'll keep that in mind for a future video! Good suggestion
It was an amazing video, thank you for it. For the t-shirts, do you have shipments to Mexico?
I believe so but shipping may be more. Try to go through the checkout and see what it says, and if there's any issues you can email me at wesisdoingthings@gmail.com
Okay great video, I really enjoyed the deep dive and have learned a lot of things, the only thing I have to say is not mentioning fire emblem heroes here is in my opinion "wrong" even though that's a strong word. In my opinion it's Canon by Veronica being present in Engage, while also bringing a lot of characters together in like forging bonds or even the duos, to give us some extra info or show interactions between characters that don't meet in their own game
Tbh I was pretty surprised to see Veronica in Engage
actually there is a theory that three houses is still connected to awakening, in a sense that fodland is the world lucina left behind in order to change the future where grima awakened
Having Nils as child Lewyn is crazy good. It would link the entire series together, as I see FE8 as the Gaiden to FE6+FE7. Magvel always seemed like the Australia continent to me, just a big ol island by itself. The only way we truly would know is in the FE4 remake. It actually makes a lot of sense to have Elibe be even farther in the past, especially considering they are the games that come immedately after judgral and the literal telling and showing of when there were still dragons living amongst humans even after the gate was closed. They surely used a lot of ideas and themes Kaga had lying around or shared with the group, and I'm sure they wanted to keep the series together in one universe still. i see the map like this and accoring to actual in game size, Judgral is like all of asia, Elibe is Europe, Archanea is North America, Valentia is South America, Magvel is Australia, Tellius is in a different timeline, I assume Fodlan is a continent north of Elibe, and Fateslandia is an ancient kingdom I assume that is now destroyed but from a far away pocket of some other continent. Basically only 3H now is the odd man out if they dont blatantly say it's stand alone like Tellius.
38:24 that section was awesome
Thank you!
15:39 im prettyy sure fe heros is what started my gambling addiction
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There actually is a little bit of circumstantial evidence to support Tellius and Fodlan existing in the Archanea timeline, Priam being probably the biggest piece of evidence for Tellius. Though it's really up to personal interpretation whether you consider him canon or not. Iirc some of Archanea's legendary weapons can be obtained in 3H (Parthia and whatnot), of course this isn't great evidence, but it exists.
I'm playing Awakening now and Forseti (a character from Geneology) is a tome you can get through spotpass. Likely just homages, but the argument could definitely be made that they're connected
Finally a good fire emblem iceberg video ! (but Engage is peak)
Thanks friend, I appreciate the support
I can t believe I did not know the Nergal backstory until now. And I xall myself FE series fan... Ty Wes!😅
To be fair the game really buried that storyline pretty deep, I dont know how they expected most people to put it together
Video needs wayyyy more views babe. I’ve watched this twice. So good ! Informative and hilarious
Did you just call me babe, babe?
@@WesDoesGames what was that sweetie
Do you know where I can find a link to that site you mentioned at 1:20:09 about Tharja's story, and the little stories for Awakening?
www.fireemblemwod.com/fe13/ENG_trasfondos-background.htm
There's a fan site recapping the stories. The actual Japanese website I found originally when researching the topic, but I lost the link and haven't been able to recover it. I tried using the wayback machine on the Awakening website and found it (I think) but, you know, it's in Japanese, so I couldn't navigate it
Umm acktuahlly path of radiance and radiant dawn exist in the same world as Shadow dragon and Awakening there's a character in awakening named Priam that is Ike's descendant the running theory is that telius predates archanea
I mention that later in the video during the Awakening paralogues section ;)
Really fucking good video. Super underrated, hope it gets more views
I appreciate your kind words!
I listened to this whole video at work. I laughed a lot, thanks for that
Anytime
Do you have an image file of the iceberg you're working on? I found some different ones when searching.
I just gathered topics from different icebergs and sources rather than pulling from just one source. Some topics are too niche or not super interesting so I need to be selective
I don't know what they were cooking in Engage's character design division, but it ain't edible
Hortensia's outfit may be the worst thing I've ever seen
Counterpoint: seadall, ivy, and kagetsu
Vestaria saga is made using srpg studio, which has pretty terrible default graphics. I use that program myself, and I definitely am doing everything I can to make my games not look like that
I just learned that Enterbrain also made the Rpg maker programs, so it's all making sense now
Great video! I will say I was honestly a little surprised to hear you bring up a Xenologue for a connection between Arcanea and "Fates-Land" when Laslow, Odin and Selena are literally characters from Awakening that moved to Nohr at some point, but maybe I'm just too much of a Fates nerd. Other than that and the casual mode thing(which I saw another commenter already corrected), this is some nicely researched stuff! As far as I can tell at least lol
I also wanna say, I had a VERY similar experience with Scarlet, but when I was playing Conquest instead of Revelations. I'd married her both of the times I played through Birthright, so imagine my horror when I finally played Conquest and found that they'd flayed the love of my life like an animal literally two seconds after she was spared. Absolutely BRUTAL... they did my girl so wrong
Okay, so you're in fact scorin with corrin, glad to meet you, lol.
I'll agree with you that the gameplay in Engage and Fates is really good, definitely no argument from me there.
I appreciate you taking the time to watch my video and comment. I'm always down with talking about Fire Emblem.
And I'll also stand by pair ups. It does break the game, but with some tweaks it should have stayed in the series for good
you can't be selling my boy genealogy short like that, the story is great and among the least standard ones the series has had
1:14:00 That mode will allow it to see the Vallite Soldiers.
I’m in your walls, 3 Hopes isn’t dumb! Take it back meanie grr
Ok jk but real talk I think there’s some interesting stuff there for Hopes that ties into Houses as well (both lore and development wise) I don’t think it should be dismissed just because it’s a spinoff (though it’s also a kinda pseudo sequel soooo)
Which route does the story pick up from in Three Houses?
@@WesDoesGames hmm like all of the 3 leaders’ routes? It’s like an alternate future timeline thing but due to a different inciting event some plot revelation play out differently like the Tragedy of Duscur and there’s a bit more about Almyra AND Holst is playable
47:15 Very nice 40/127hp on ike and lv20 99xp units lol
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Got jacked in 2 weeks by fighting for his friends