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Ask a Luthier - A perfect Violin Setup by the Fiddlershop
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- čas přidán 16. 10. 2016
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Thank you for these videos. This is a great resource for students to help them understand why a beginner student is often not successful when purchasing a $70 violin on amazon. I see so many frustrated students each week with cheap instruments. In my experience, 80% of the students who quit do so because of an instrument that is so poor their efforts are not reciprocated.
I think this is an excellent video that gives me precise dimensions on setting up a violin. I was a machinist and retired as a quality technician and we lived by accurate information and precise dimensions. you demonstrated that in your video. excellent
Very good info. Been restoring for 40 years, and found if u can measure thickness of top plate in bridge area, and use that as distance for setback of soundpost from bridge will result in excellant tone. Thanks for your excellant video.
Thanks for the info! And for your nice words, Tad! All the best to you...
Thank you so much for such a meaningful information.
I was already looking for this info.
I got my first violin, a Cecilio CVN-300 and I've had some issues with it already: slipping tuning pegs, one that was cracked, which they replaced with pegs that are too big to fit and I had to sand down and make work. It seems pretty close to your measurements, but I probably would have been better off to buy one of your beginner violins because you check all this stuff ahead of time. I'll bet you don't ship cracked tuning pegs either. I must admit that I'm enjoying learning how fiddles are set up and I wouldn't have done that if it arrived in excellent condition.
Everyone has an opinion and here's mine. You learn to do some luthier work on your own violin so I think that's great I love the Cecilio 300
What an excellent shop!
Excellent ! So clear concise and to the point. Can't believe I learned so much with exact facts in such a short time. Thank you. Subbed and hit the alarm
Wow, thanks! Very kind of you. Thanks for watching 😃
Very good job thanks
Thanks for watching!
Hi guys at fiddlershop yesterday 11/12 i bought a B stock violin. Its the midnight violin kit.i t is now in the hands of your talented luthiers.... Please take good care of it..i can not waite to get.it.. ..and play it in the christmas eve concert at my parish church.... Could you show it on you tube.. Have a great day guys..
Hi Kathy and thanks for shopping with us! I'm so sorry, we usually do not makes videos with Tower String instruments. You have a 45 day satisfaction guarantee though, no questions asked. Happy playing!! 😍
You don't check bow clearance (arch) across the strings or string height from the fingerboard? Also, we don't always slam our tailpiece to the saddle, we set it so that the string length between the bridge and tailpiece is a specific fraction to aid in sympathetic tones. Depending on the fine tuners or lack thereof, the tailpiece isn't always slammed to the saddle.
These are great things to check as well. Unfortunately it's not within the scope of this video to cover every detail of a perfect setup. Also it's worth pointing out that measurements and ratios are a good starting point, but instruments can be finnicky, and sometimes you have to veer from the rule in order to get a desirable sound.
Hi .. how is the proper height of steel core strings should be from the fingerboard ? Thanks
Excellent video. Thank you very much... Since i am personally hampered by living in the far west-end of Bangkok (Thailand), and decent luthiers are far far away, it would be great if you would be willing to produce a parallel video explaining the proper measurements, vis-a-vis the numbers provided in this video, for a viola with a 16.5 inch body-length. That would be highly appreciated... Of course, i would certainly not object if you were to open a new branch office in west Bangkok.... Hahaha. What a pipe-dream. Do you think i could bamboozle you into accepting that the nearby College of Music at Mahidol University, and the local Thailand Philharmonic Orchestra (in which i play) would have enough string students to keep you busy? With a veritable monopoly, you could make a killing financially. Hehehe... Seriously, though, the situation with regards to quality lutherie here IS a bit of a drag. And bringing in your nifty accessories into the country while dealing with officious Thai customs is no picnic either.... Sigh.^^
Great video as always
i love that string tail roof shaped and i wish i can change mine that is a regular bombé one .. what could you tell me about the roof shaped ? does it make some difference in sound ? thanks
Is it good to play the violin with a sweaty hands? Does this affect the sound?
I bought violence supplies from you just recently. Glad I found your shop. But I've got a question about violin bridges I've seen something that says self-adjusting, prefitted , semi-fited , high , and low what do these mean ?
"Violence supplies" 😂
What about the curve on the top of the bridge? Do you have a template for that?
Nice video! I have a question, the height of strings from the board does influence the vibrato? if you lower the bridge and the strings are closer to the board the strings vibrate less and your vibrato is less expressive? thanks!
Is there no measurement for height of the fingerboard and the distance from the fingerboard to the string?
Very beautiful violin, but for me all the right-handed ones are unfavorable because I play alternately, the bow in the left hand and the right one operates on the fingerboard, best regards🙂
Hi! There are left-handed violins 😃 Here are two, if you would like to check them out:
fiddlershop.com/products/fiddlerman-left-handed-concert-violin-outfit
fiddlershop.com/products/fiddlerman-left-handed-violin
@@Fiddlershop I come from Poland, my question concerns the transport and proper protection of the instrument, will I have to return the instrument to the luthier to check the instrument or can I play it immediately after delivery???? thank you.
I trust trust trust you guys! New sub! You’re the first I’ve seen on CZcams today the bridge is “slanted” I’ve noticed my bridge slips / will kind of lean forward toward the fingerboard when I tune especially when I don’t start from the outside in,,, I juuust got this violin for Christmas and had to set it up... but I haven’t played since I was 16 or 15 and I am 23 now... so I had to look up a few things!
I remember not having a completely straight bridge... especially on my teachers expensive strings!! But thank you! !!
We're so glad you found us! Yes, bridges always want to lean, tilt, or warp. Keeping an eye on it and making little adjustments when they start to get out of place will keep it happy for a long time. Here's another video about it if you're interested: czcams.com/video/80WMoAgwJTs/video.html
@@Fiddlershop thank you! I'm checking that out now!
Thanks such a useful video. How can you know exact position of the sound post?
goodnight I saw in the video that you said that it leaves 1 mm in the center of the bridge foot, correct? The soul of my violin is 3 mm. One question, can I leave the soul 1 mm away and I gain power? What are the gains by leaving 1 mm of distance? thank you very much
Thanks for watching. That's a great question! Please contact our customer service team for assistance with your inquiry!
I wish every Luthier were to follow with your established standards globally
Awwww, how sweet of you! Thanks for watching :)
Hi i recently got my new violin from your shop its the midnight violin outfit. I did not get one of those checklists with mine. So how do i know mine was all checked over and adjusted..
Hi Kathy! First, thanks for shopping with us! We usually do not send a check list with our Tower Strings instruments. But you can rest assured that it has been set up and tested properly. We do that with all our instruments that leave our Florida workshop. Thanks 😃
My violin came with a bridge that angels down HARD at the end so my e string is closer all the way down than the rest.
how to shape the top and bottom of the sound post.
Great info! How do we increase fingerboard projection if falls below 27mm?
There are three ways of doing this. One is to open the upper bout, loosen the top at the block and to fit a shim under the neck root and top of the violin, then to re-glue. It's the easiest way but you almost need a tutorial or be taught to do this successfully. I'll ask the luthier to make a video on the next neck reset.
The other two ways have to do with removing the fingerboard, thinning the side by the scroll but this requires some careful plaining. The most difficult way involves taking off the neck and changing the neck block, then refitting.
I'd say that 27mm is very acceptable. I've played and re-angled a number of instruments and for a violin I'd 28/29mm is actually on the high side. More importantly than the elevation (projection), the string angle makes the biggest difference. 158° is what the angle should be over the bridge. With and instrument with "normal" arching, if the overstand is set to textbook measurements (6.5mm on the G) and the elevation is set to 29, you will have an enormous string angle and the instrument will sound strident. It seem very common for American workshops to set instruments up with a steep string angle compared to European workshops (like one that I work in) which 26.5mm is the norm. It is disadvantageous to think that you'll get more from your instrument by increasing these measurements, when in theory it puts more pressure on the instrument and actually strangles it to give a harsh quality (usually with wolf notes). When reangling the neck on an instrument you have to consider the arching and set out the most appropriate overstand to elevation relationship to achieve the correct string angle, while at the same time securing the structural rigidity of the instrument. A higher overstand to flatten the string angle can cause deformation in the arch with particularly high arched instruments, so experience and skill will determine the correct measurements for the instrument.
can you download that measurement list?
Hi I want to know the measurements for a 1/2 size violin pls and thank you
Hi! The 1/2 size violin is approx 310mm in length. Thanks 😍
How high are the strings above the fingerboard at the edge? I have heard it's 4.5 mm at the G and 3 mm at the E for a gut setup, and for steel it could be as low as 3.5 at the G and 2.5 for the E? Do some players prefer it higher or lower?
1 year and no answer
Length of string from nut to bridge?
how i can get a good violin? - can you help me to get a 4/4 size good one for me? i can pay you the all costs..
Sure! Please contact support@fiddlershop.com for recommendations. Thanks for asking!
Beautiful information.
Glad to know it.
Hi I am from India
An artist painter & violinist
Want a 4/4 violin your make
How could I get it & how much?
Hi Ranjeet! Thanks for your kind words! You can order online or by writing to support@fiddlershop.com. We have many violins to choose from, please visit www.fiddlershop.com.
The best way to figure out the exact shipping cost, is to put the item in the cart and then add your address.
That way the cost will be calculated automatically.
Please keep in mind that you also might have to pay customs fees.
My Holstein Il Cannone has a projection just under 24mm. It has the lowest bridge of all my violins. What are the drawbacks, and is this a flaw that needs correction?
Jon, I just saw this!! You may be lacking in power. A taller bridge and projection will more volume. - Mike
i like this shop, but i cant buy this one of them, but i like this channel . my dreaming can buy this one ,have nice day come from INDONESIA
aku juga dari Indonesia (Translation = I'm also from Indonesia)
Do the instruments get delivered with the exact same setup and fittings shown in the pictures on fiddlershop.com?
I have a question, is it normal for some strings to be below the curvature of the bridge. I had my violin’s adjusted by luthier and the grooves seem to be slightly deeper than then previous grooves. And I noticed some violins have slightly deeper grooves on the bridge than others, is this normal? Thx
Not really. It's better if the depth of the groove is half the thickness of the string, no more. They are able to vibrate more freely that way.
Is there any way I can fix this? Can I add a tiny drop of glue in the groove and place a parchment?
@@sheepdotexe7600 You could, but that would affect the sound. Better to get a new bridge. Or you can file off the top part of the bridge, so there is just a little groove left.
Great video! Do you only do setup for Holstein brand or all violins being sold?
So sorry about the delayed response! We obviously missed some comments!!
We do the setups for all instruments that leaves our workshop, excluding the Cecilio instruments. Those are shipped directly from Cecilio's warehouse.
Buen dia podria traducir al español por favor. Gracias
jajaja es de los mejores videos que hay sobre violín
si no sabes inglés te perderás mucho sobre violines, casi todo está en inglés
before my violin i have very great sound but suddently decreased what may be the reason
Sorry to hear... A few questions. How long have you had your strings? Have you checked the placement of the bridge and the sound post? How long have you had your violin btw?
@@Fiddlershop the strings has been replaced just 3 months ago sound post postion is perfect
@@mohammedblushi151 If you have a luthier close by, maybe he should take a look at it. Even though the sound post seems like it's in the perfect position, it could be too loose, too tight or it could even be crooked. This could be hard to see from the angel you are looking. The best way for us to tell is to see the instrument in person. You can also join the www.Fiddlerman.com forum and talk to other violinists there. They are very helpful :) Good luck!
What about after-length? Do you check to make sure it's 55-56mm?
Yes, we check the after-length as well. We've found that working with great makers and companies can allow us to not have to check it because they're always spot on.
FiddlerShop That's an interesting perspective. I've found that after-length shouldn't be taken for granted even with master level instruments. Sometimes tail loops stretch and need to be adjusted after the initial setup is done.
The after length depends on the strings used. If you change brands and/or tension you may need to readjust the tailpiece. Its not a golden measurement although its a great default length to start with.
Quanto custa um violino ?
great information. thank you. what is the perfect string length between the nut and the bridge..?
It's 33 centimeters, according to our luthier Felix :)
@@Fiddlershop thank you...But if I keep 33cms , bridge position is little behind of the inside f hole marks.my violin is sky vn512 and the string length between nut to bridge is 327mm.Please advice me , wether it is required to move little backwards or keep as it is?
@@softstrings7787 If the sound is good, keep it as it is. Otherwise you might want to have the bridge moved backwards slightly. But in that case you might need to also move the sound post. For this reason we recommend you to visit a luthier for these kind of adjustments, just in case.
@@Fiddlershop thank you very much 💝💝
@@Fiddlershop : Hmmm... i have elsewhere read that it is a more precise 328 mm. Or are 328-330 mm both within acceptable parameters?
Someone has probably mentioned this before many times, but the TH in luthier isn't pronounced like TH in Martin Luther. It comes from the word lute so you say it with a T sound. The H is just to maintain the long U sound of a single vowel while still letting the I and ER have separate sounds. Though like many words with a T inside, the T can be pronounced like a D or a T. /ˈlo͞odēər/ and /ˈlo͞otēər/
Like if something was more than a lute, it was Luthier. You do make more than lutes, after all. :)
Ctomfly1 Well actually the Th I Martin Luther is also pronounced like t if we go by the German pronounciation
........so doesn't it all mean the noun should be reserved for a person who makes lutes ?
Welllllll blesssss yp widdle pointed headddd :=}
Ctomfly, that's strange because I've checked many sites and they all pronounce it with the TH sound. Like this site. czcams.com/video/2QeUDtGndhE/video.html Yes, I know that the Webster Dictionary and the never incorrect Wikipedia pronounce it with a T sound but, actually luthier comes from the French word luth, or one that makes lutes. Since the English language is made from several languages like Spanish, French, Latin, and German, many words are changed somewhat by the time it reaches America. Don't be rude to the good people of Fiddlershop.
Sound post sounds pretty flat, in Poland we call it Soul
The French and Italian translate that way (Soul, or anima) as well, i believe...
Incidentally, my original surname Wrublewski is Polish as well, though i can really only say "kielbasa" and "nazdrowie" (Dad was half-Polish / half-Ukrainian, and Mom is a complex stew of Italian / Austrian / English / Scottish, so English only was the rule du jour for this Canuckistan prairie boy...^^
Very informative. Not to be picky, but the music in the background was a distraction to concentrating on your presentation.
Maybe it’s just the camera angle but your bridge doesn’t look straight on that “perfect setup” LOL
#95_WeightHayMinuteDareAccordingTo_HeirMeisterBerger_GIBBYS_DaProperNameHisProdounced_swAHLL_knot_soil_🐥🐦🦆🦉
Thanks for watching!