The Mystery Of The Lost U-Boat U-513 | Secrets Of The Reich
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- On July 27th, 1943, a U.S. patrol plane spots the German U-boat U-513. With no time for the vessel to dive: 2 bombs hit, and only 7 men survive. Until now, the final resting place of U-513, and what exactly happened to it, has remained a mystery. The adventurer Vilfredo Schürmann managed to locate the wreck, allowing us to piece together the puzzle of the U-boat's final mission and grisly end.
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The U-156 picking up survivors...and to hear a survivor talk about it was probably my favorite part of this video.
(Great video BTW!👍🏻)
Doenitz order of 17 September 1942. The order reads:
“To all commanding officers:
“1. No. attempt of any kind must be made at rescuing members of ships sunk, and this includes the picking up of persons in the water and putting them in lifeboats, righting capsized lifeboats, and handing over food and water. Rescue runs counter to the rudimentary demands of warfare for the destruction of enemy ships and crews.
“2. Orders for bringing in captains and chief engineers still apply.
“3. Rescue the shipwrecked only if their statements will be of importance to your boat.
“4. Be harsh, having in mind that the enemy takes no regard for women and children in his bombing attacks on German cities.”
On the same date this order is recorded in the war diary of the flag officer submarines:
“The attention of commanding officers is again drawn to the fact that all efforts to rescue members of crews of ships which have been sunk contradict the most primitive demands for the conduct of warfare by annihilating enemy ships and their crews. Orders concerning the bringing in of captains and engineers still stand.”
So true…perfect navy officer
Seems rather hypocritical to condemn the Germans for sinking ships with civilians & then try to sink the U Boat rescuing the people & putting the survivors into real risk by doing so.
I thought it was U513 rescuing those ppl of the Laconia but I could wrong.
Before joining the Navy at 17 in 1945 my Father worked in the scrap yard at Luke AFB in Glendale AZ. There were German POWs that also worked on the base doing various jobs, so it is possible he saw some of them. His Mother had an article from the local paper documenting the escaped U-Boat crew. It seems they made an inflatable raft to float down the Salt River not knowing that 99% of the time the Salt River was a dry river bed. The local sheriff actually found one of the officers and offered him a lift back to the POW camp.
Greetings from The Netherlands. The Canadians not only did this, they landed at the Normandy beaches, suffered a lot and liberated my country. We in The Netherlands will never, ever forget this. You are our heroes! Thank you for fighting in a country you probably never heard of before WW2. We love you. ❤👍
Hey Marcel. Wat hebben de Canadezen nog meer gedaan naast landen in Normandie, lijden en jou land bevrijden? Ik heb in deze prachtige documentaire volgens mij geen Canadezen gezien . Groetjes Siem ook uit Nederland ❤😊
@@siemveneman9091 The Canadians suffered the most in liberating our country. But remember Market Garden. Those soldiers came from Brittain, the USA and Poland. My granddad lived in Winschoten. The Polish troops liberated this town. I know there were also a few French paratroopers who were dropped in Drenthe to help the Canadians advance through it. So I wanted people to know that it was an allied effort to set is free.
As a Canadian, thank you for remembering. My uncle was in Canadian tank and truck for the liberation of Europe. He was a tough guy. But my family told me that what he saw over there broke him in a way. He wouldn't talk about it. Every day is Remembrance Day.
@@fuzzybunny506 Wat he did for my country is unforgettable. No matter who fought in The Netherlands, they all risked their lives. And what was in it for the Canadians? They knew an occupied country by a dictator is wrong and they came to our help in the thousands. This is something we will never forget. Total strangers from a foreign country who were willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to libertate us. We ow Canada so much for their efforts. I think this is the reason why we love to be on peacekeeping missions with you. The Dutch government only invests in those missions if Canada is in it aswell. ❤👍
0:34 😢😮
I served on fast attacks for 10 years. These guys were the pioneers, legends. There's thousands of stories of incredible valor and bravery throughout all countries. Even going back to the US Civil War and the Hunley; 3 crews died on the Hunley and every one of them was a hero.
In the hunly they recover4ed Dixons gold coin
The Chicago Museum of Science and Industry has a complete German Submarine (The U505) on permanent display. You can take a complete tour. Very cool for Engineering Students and those interested in Maritime Craft.
"Herman the German" is still working in the Panama Canal - a self-propelled, heavy lift crane/drydock built for U-boat repair, used in Long Beach Naval Yard until 1994. It refitted the USS Missouri and USS New Jersey in the 80s. Impressive!
@@karlgharst5420 those battleships were also impressive! Got to tour them both a few times when I was young since my uncle was a on both during the last few years of each thru decommissioning.
Sounds like I need to take a trip to Chicago's museum of science soon.
@@jonathanb.6800 I just wanna take a trip to the museum period...but that sounds really cool too
I knew a German who 69ed in a U-boat. He was from Frankfurt.
Superbly narrated. Thank you.
A sunken u-boot was found near the coast of Necochea, Argentina, less than a year ago. It seemed to have been intentionally blown up. This would have happened about the same time two other u-boots surrendered in the city of Mar del Plata, about 100km from that place
Operation Paperclip.
Walter Wittig, thank you for talking to us about your life experiences aboard a U boat as a radio operator during the Second World War.
Well done Aysso crew for locating the U 513. Rest in peace to the brave U 513 crew.
I was born in Canada 10 years after the end of WWII, so I have no personal experience. I have studied history and I think the war on the water would have frightened me the most.
I was a USN officer in the late 70's and early 80's. If involved in a sea battle we pretty much expected to get killed. We knew what we were capable of and we assumed that "they" , the enemy, would be capable of at least what we could do to them. I worked with the tools that a young surface warfare officer knew about, and our aerial assets, and assumed that "they" ( Russians, Chinese, certain middle-eastern countries, India, and you know, any and all of "them"), would kill us all if they were just given half a chance. Almost 50 years later, I suspect that our young sea officers feel much the same as I did, back in the day. My biggest fear was not death. Death didn't , as an abstract idea or thing, make me lose sleep. My biggest fear was fear of failure.
Canadian Armed forces have been present in many theaters during WWII but I would say that the Naval Warfare in Gulf Saint Lawrence and the Saint Lawrence River is the most critical stage for their home front, since the U-boats were really active there specially in 1942. Aparently, yes, as you pointed accurately there was sightings all the time and in some cases the bodies of sunken submarines and ships reached the coast. Canadian Navy was very busy at the request of the British to protect convoys, and so they risked the home waters even during the most important U-boat offensive in 1942. Also some prisoners camp were situated in Canada (the most famous case is the ''Kiebitz'' plan, made by the german intelligence, a plan to escape the camp in Bowmanville, Ontario; and the counter-plan which frustrated it, made by the Canadian Police -Operation Point Maisonette). The famous U-boat commander Otto Krestchmer was there. I recently found a pdf from 2005, by Veterans Affairs, which includes some famous newspaper cites about these events.
Canadian too, I was born 18 years after the end of ww2. I grew up with many uncles who served. I was told not to ask them about it.
My mom built aircraft engines in Edmonton Alta. Feeding the commonwealth air training program.
All heroes 🇨🇦 🍁 🇨🇦 🍁
Same. Any branch/battlefield would be scary but I'd most like to be on land, wouldn't mind being a flyer.
As if war isn't deadly and horrifying and brutal enough in any theatre.... Yeah but instead of fighting on land let's fight in the open ocean....
The Marine Corps would like a word regarding several Ddays that are rarely spoken about the same as what we know as D day. I think on the water though nothing could be as frightening as in a uboat being depth charged.
Really well made, thanks!
This was awesome. thank you
40,000 men served on U Boats, over 30,000 never returned.
May those sailors RIP in their iron coffins. 😔
I’m so glad too have read this intriguing story of the German Boat 513
Anyone interested in German U-boats, I recommend the new show Das Boot. The English parts are terrible but the German and French chapters are excellent.
Season 3 is due out sometime very soon, too
Why not recommend the movie too? It's one of my favorites.
@@Tee_B and the book is even better still…
The 1981 movie, starring Jürgen Prochnow, was excellent. The entire movie is intense.
Very interesting survivor interviews.
Gotta admit it, that U-boat skipper could give a fox lessons in craftiness and cunning.
Too bad he blew it through a moment of carelessness.
Anyone interested in subjects similar to this should check out the book Shadow Divers. Great book about experienced deep sea ship wreck divers who discover a German U Boat sunk off the coast off of New Jersey and their years long quest to identify it. A bunch of history, danger, and well written.
That was a great book! Another of my favorite books regarding diving, and wreck diving specifically, is The Last Dive by Bernie Chowdhury about a father and son diving team that were cave divers and dove the Andrea Doria. It mentions the U-boat off the coast of New Jersey.
I have spread that book to a few people, each say they couldn’t stop reading, it’s a great read. I don’t know how John chatterton fits into the submarine with his balls as big as they are
Great book
@@SlickWillyTFCF Thank you for the recommendationI have just ordered a copy along with Shadow Divers can't wait for both to arrive!
awesome video the underwater pictures were amazing
The most unappreciated warrior is the sub crewmembers. 2 subs returned to Argintina after unloading at Base 211 in Antarctica
Wow oo that's awesome.
My Father was a Bomb Squadron Commander of the 388th Bomb Group. He flew as deputy lead for the 1,300-1,500 B-17s & B-26s on the initial D-Day attack (there were actually three that day); in essence he was leading around 14,000 other airmen in an attack of war. However, what story I remember most was of his encounter with a solitaire German U-boat in the Gulf of Mexico much earlier in the war; this occurred at a time before our heavy US bombers had been deployed into squadrons in England.
Flying out of Florida, he was piloting a single B-17 doing guard duty in the Gulf for subs. His "diligent" training officer was taking a siesta in the rear of the plane. In the water ahead he saw what he first had thought was a floating citrus crate. But Dad quickly realized it was a surfaced U-boat. He immediately took aim on it by lining the sub up with a fly speck on the plane's left windshield. Using this as his guide he developed a bearing on the sub. At the right time he had the bombardier release their four depth charges that they were carrying. Photographs he took showed that the charges neatly straddled the diving sub. Later, stupid me asked about "the fly speck thing," and Dad simply replied, “the law of similar triangles."
Dad would say later that sub would have been better off for themselves in the faceoff in the Gulf, had they stayed & just manned their mounted gun. The commotion woke up the sleeping training officer, who later chewed out my Dad for not having woke him up and wait his presence. Later, when I had a chance to actually get on board a B-17, I saw that getting from the back of the plane up to the cockpit wasn't a walk in the park.
If anyone knows of experts in the field of U-boats in the Gulf of Mexico, I will gladly send copies of the photos that were taken.
This should be pointed out, concerning the German issued Laconia Order. After the war, Donitz was saved from the gallows over that order because his Attorney pointed out the Allied submarines operated under similar orders.
The Laconia incident lies 100% at the feet of the American commander that gave the order to sink the U-boat, totally disregarding the red crosses that were hung over it or the fact that it was towing unarmed lifeboats. He, by that one act of utter disregard for human life, cost hundreds, even thousands of men and women their lives. He should be cursed by going through every moment of eternity seeing the faces of all of those whose deaths he caused. I am an American but I am ashamed of this low life.
@@richardcline1337 This was one of those incidents that falls under the "fates of war." I'm not defending the actions of the officer who ordered the B-24 to attack, but one must remember this happened at the end of the "second happy times" for the U-Boat arm after the US entered the war. Pay back was the order of the day and men sitting at a desk can issue orders without ever seeing the resulting horror of those orders. Who knows what pressure this man was under to ger results. Sadley, wars are filled with tragedies such as this. Let's not judge too harshly, we weren't there. Merry Christmas Friend and Happy New Year.
@@stevew6138, you are allowed to have your opinion but I firmly stand behind what I said about the commandeer that ordered that strike on a clearly marked rescue mission.
@@richardcline1337 It's all good. We both agree it was a bad deal, and rightly so. I'm old and think we should be less inclined to judge things when we were not "Jonney on the spot." A buddy, in Viet Nam grounded (red Xed) a chopper for mechanical issues. His decision was overridden, the bird went up the next day and crashed killing all four men on board. What can we do? Wars are fought by men, and we are imperfect. Second guessing with hindsight is a bad road to go down. I have done things I wish to God I could change, but at the time it was the right thing to do. Wars have millions of moving parts and not all work in sync. I respect you and wish you well, I'm done here.
@@stevew6138, agreed. As a Vietnam era vet, now 77 years old, I can look back at history and wonder, "How on earth did so many of these officers survive childbirth?" LOL!
I've really enjoying my u boat deep dive. Great video thanks
Am on the same deep dive
I really like these codumentaries.
Very good and interesting video.
The museum of Science and Industry was my play ground as a kid in the late 50 . The interior of the 505 was included as one of our hiding places when they closed. The dare was to walk around the outer edge of the walls of the Museum. Amazing play ground !!!!!🤫🤯🥴
Wow so intense!
Thank you.
This version of events seems to have more holes than the U-513 itself.
Yet you aren't willing to enlighten us with examples...
Amazing content, time after time. Can we get the introductory voice over guy into a studio somewhere?
Very good and innovative technology video review.....!
Well I guess you learned something new every day. I did not even know that these existed back then and I consider myself a WW2 guy, always watching utube on the subject and listening to Audible. Great doc it's worth to watch it.😊
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Bruh, we all do. But it’s not for us to decide; they need the money for their videos.
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Wah
What ads? I use CZcams premium, lol
The British devised a radio direction finder that could determine a direction in the few seconds it took to send seven words. The fear of aircraft attack brought about the arming of U-boats with considerable anti aircraft guns. That downed a greater number of aircraft that is generally accepted.
Not only fascinated by the German UBoat rather than Submarines serving in their own country's Navy's, CZcams videos featuring UBoats seem far more prevalent than other country's Submarines indicating a consistency of interest.
yup, and no videos on allied encryption while there's thousands of videos about the Enigma
I saw recently that a German coastal bunker was up for sale. Spending some extended time in one would be a dream beyond belief
please please please please do ww2 bombers from all side i can"t get enough of the u- boat history
The U-995 is not the only sub left. the U-505 is still around and is in Chicago, IL. In the United States.
Geauz gutehnhiemmer. Long live the spirit brother ❤️
Yeah buddy!!!
U995 may be the only one of it's type left, but it was a different type from U513. U505 on display in Chicago is the same type as U513. Writers and editor should spend a couple of minutes on Wikipedia.
U-995 is a Type VIIC, the most plentiful U-Boat used in the German U-Boat service. U-534 is the only other surviving boat of her kind and she has been cut up into pieces for outdoor display in Britain. She was not restored but remains a preserved rusted hulk.
We sir are not sub mariners . Fair winds and followin seas to my brothers all , still on patrol
His father was German? Looks like he was born in the late 40s or early 50s.. interesting.
Wonder how Germans got there 😅
Thank you to the U 516 crew for rescuing those people.
How did the u-boats refuel so far away/. Coast of Brazil?
The type IX boats had a range of up to 15,000 miles. Plus, there were "milk cow" type XIV supply U-boats.
Would be very interested to hear where the memorial (features at the end of the video) to WW2 U-Boat casualties is situated?
its Amaizing The ocean has fish left....
Seen the 505 there.
Read somewhere that there's one with gold bars on board, somewhere in an around Barbados.
I'm unclear as to whether the U boat on display was recovered from the bottom of the sea, or if that's another boat.
(13:54) from Cape Town?.. Cape Town South Africa?
Do you know another? South Africa was one of the Allies….Look it up!
A side scan sonar is not a radar device
The u-boat: Oil rig of the military
Who prayed the most, "German subs or American subs?
Lost= Sunk
The simple reason little has been published about the WW2 English submarine force is that it was very unsuccesful. It was actually larger than its German opponent but accomplished little until the final years of the war. It suffered heavy losses and sank few ships. The same was true of the American cousin whose boats were eqipped with the Mark 14 torpedo that rarely worked correctly.
It was vital for Germans subs to sink US supply ships, and for the US and Britain to get up to speed to sink their subs, which they did….if the US had believed there was a critical need for subs in the war, they would have figured out how to make them worth the trouble in a very short amount of time. I assume it was the same for Great Britain. Since subs weren’t instrumental in the Allied war effort, it shouldn’t be surprising that they weren’t developed to the level of the German’s.
American submarines played a huge role in the pacific war.
I still wonder, why Gugenberger send "come and kill me" message ?
27:40 let me give it a try. We dug coal together.
So called wolf packs? Unusual statement. They were a known fact.
A german german father in Brazil? How interesting 🤔
War unfortunately demands a death toll.
hmmm.. duhaz.. duhaz mêz..
I think a major reason Americans and British citizens are very interested in the German submarine is because how their actions hit home with many families were losing husbands, brothers and/or son's to the actions of u-boats. Japanese subs did take some lives of Americans and British but nowhere near the same amount. And then the tonnage of ships that were lost to u-boats and again the Japanese came up short in that category. American and British subs had their share of success but for the most part they didn't advertise their success or losses. Top all that with "Bad News" sells and makes headlines, good news is also celebrated but its on celebrated in smaller print on page 3.
The largest population of immigrants to America came from Germany. I'm 68 & half, 2nd generation German. I've always had a passion for studying WWII. My Irish Dad served as a radar reader on a destroyer in the Pacific theater. I believe there are several reasons for the interest in U-Boats. They weren't Nazis, it was a new type of warfare, the large population of German/Americans, the romanticizing of the U-Boat captains & sailors & the movie Das Boot.
@@susiesweet8003, that's the one major thing that nearly ALL documentations and movies about the German U-boats leave out. Yes, there were a few Nazi's on board throughout the service but for the most part they were just doing what America, Britain and the Japanese were doing, fighting for their country. Why the Germans fought right up to the very end KNOWING they were going out on a one way trip is that in doing so they kept a large amount of warships and aircraft tied up that otherwise would have been going after their country. To me, and I am a Vietnam era American vet, these men have been villainized far too much. Even at the war trials, Admiral NImitz went to testify in the defence of Admiral Doenitz.
My interest in U-boats comes from my father was hunting them out of Boston aboard a YMS minesweeper and I'm a diver and have been aboard U-352
@12:45 - The young Brit historian forgot the Pacific War that had begun after Pearl Harbor….therefore, _the U-boats most certainly did not have to contend with “the full might of the US Navy,” nor against the full might of the US Coast Guard, for that matter. I dk how many ships making up the “full might” of the Atlantic Fleet were actively seeking out U-boats outside the shipping lanes, either. Sounds good, though.
The "hunter-killers" was not an english concept invented by Johnny Walker. It was not invented by american navy.
U Boats sailed and attacked US military and merchant shipping as far as New Orleans, Louisiana and Galveston, Texas.
Sink ships
Nagation map
Dave the German's had as I under stand Milch cows to refuel them
En français svp
To many sports ads bad
Really? Captain going down with the ship? Submarine captain? That's a pure captain being the representative of the ship owners, to prevent legal salvaging, the captain 'went down with the ship' s folks couldn't board and steal stuff. Besides, it was probably his fault.
I'm related to the great Gregory Von Schnitzelnazi ,the greatest U-boat captain of all time!
And what is it that _you_ do??
You are joking, right? No such name, troll!
I'm
It's cause of the devastation of the wolf pack. Not the underdog of the war.
Yes Fredo your father was "German"
No BS bias agenda here, nice.
Well the U-boat members telling anyone where they were going was immaterial...not like there are sign posts in the ocean...and when would be the other part. Not like an air force or army operation or surface navy operation.
Aren't all submarine sailings claustrophobic?
Airborne radar operator can't tell the difference between a metal submarine and a wooden fishing boat?
Why all the negativity? It was interesting to learn about the men serving.
@@fionavanbuuren3966 related to how this was presented. Like they weren't told where they were going before they left... The old concept of 'loose lips sink ships' which wasn't said, conceptually isn't significant, because we were monitoring the naval communications and even if they knew where they were going and did say something, it wouldn't have made any difference.
No U.S and Britain aren't fasinated, they were astounded at how far advanced Germans were on military. We have jets and rockets because of Germany literature found after WWII. These documentaries must be taken with a grain of salt in their interpretations as they put miinformation into them.
“Because of German [sic] literature found after WWII”??? Have you never heard of “Operation Paperclip”?? We didn’t need paperwork! Look it up!
@@voraciousreader3341 What the H are you talking about...Stop being a tunnel vision thinker. Good grief.
limbo of the lost Over the rainbow kingdom of royal birth rights
War is horrific. Gives the whole world PTSD. Humankind is doomed, as long as we continue to allow atrocities in the name of war. All the souls lost is staggering. Why can’t folks get along. All war is sick, twisted, and the reason why we’re the only one left of our species. Say no to government that pushes for war. All those minds and dumb 🫏’s still can’t figure their way out of a tight spot, without blowing it and many innocents - to bloody pieces
GREAT VIDEO ! X OCEAN TASK VESSEL CAPT. P. van ESS. U S M M X 5 1 3. CREW ... AND ALL SUBMARINERS WHO REMAIN ON ETERNAL PATROL : R I P.
13 17, das pedophilery ya
7:49 That has not changed. 🤹