Staging and Chances Analysis by professional: Teya Dora's 'Ramonda' at Eurovision 2024 | SERBIA
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- In this video, I dive deep into the staging and chances of Teya Dora and her song "Ramonda" at Eurovision 2024. Join me as I examine the potential impact of Teya Dora's performance, discuss the strengths and weaknesses of her staging choices, also the position in the semifinal, and predict her odds of success at the competition. Are you that sure, she can make it? Watch now!
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No doubt she will qualify. She has the unique composition, sung with most emotion, and staging will be, she said, spectacular and grandiose. She has many fans across Europe and World. I see her in top ten or five. I agree, I would use more light on her face and generally more light in some moments. This song is so different from everything.
I am croatian and my 12 points go to Serbia.The song is so unique,so emotional with a deep meenings. Something different from others.💜🪻
👏👏👏👏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Wait May... there will be a BIG surprise because pple have feelings and this song hits really strongly and causing goosebumps 👏 even without understanding the language.
+ the jury will have text translated and when someone reads the text / lyrics this song comes to place No 1 🏆🏆🏆
Serbia ❤❤ beautiful song
Yes, in Romania we have a genre called “manele” which has its roots in Oriental music. In Serbia turbo folk is pretty much the main genre on their radios. It also has roots in Oriental music.
However, I don’t see how “Ramonda” is similar to these genres. So, I’m not sure if Moldova would straight up vote for the song. I wish they’d do that cause I love the song. Slovenia and Croatia will definitely push Serbia into the final, where it deserves to be 🙌🏻🙏🏻
I also think that the international televote may push Serbia cause “Dzanum” Teya Dora’s most popular song is viral on Tik Tok, especially in India.
I think the musical taste might be very similar and familiar. Ofc this is not manele 😂 hahaha! Miss those crazy summer nights in Bucharest 😂
I live in Serbia and i thought that TDI radio is most popular, since i hear it everywhere, and those are only foreign songs, although if you combine all other radios for sure, foreign music is not most popular.
You cannot tell that the turbo folk is the main genre on radios! That is so not true.
The song 🎵 & flower 🌸🌸🌸 metaphorically describes suffering of Serbian nation.
They suffered 5 centuries under Turkish occupation and managed to survive and save their identity.
In WW1 1/3 of the population and 60% of male population was murdered by Bulgarian, German and Austrian army...and they didn't announce a capitulation but the nation, led by the king went in an exile via hostile Albanian mountains. After all the suffering between 1914-1918, they returned back victorious and liberated all southern Slavic nations (Serbs, Croats, Slovenians, Macedonians) and created a South Slavic land (Yugoslavia).
Another genocide happened during WW2, more than 1 million Serbian people were brutally murdered in genocide, especially in the Jasenovac concentration camp 😪😪😪
Ramonda flower 🌸🌸🌸 symbolically describes Serbian nation ... they love freedom and will resist any Hegemon
🕊✌️ 🕊
You analized very good from your point! Big thanks from Serbia!
I hope Teya Dora or her team can somehow see this and will made changes as you suggest! Hats off !
But .. I think you little bit ":missed" or maybe i'm wrong, sorry, pure emotins of this song! Who already many Eurovision fans felt and day by day they are intro them, almost veryy often crying even without knowing lyrics, just as we Serbians who knows lyrics and deepnes of this song! I think that's Big plus to this amazing emtional song in wich par Teya Dora is a true master of emotions who goes stright over your body, goosebupms , where you listen it all veryy carefully and on repeat :) ))
With your respectful advices this is can be even winner of whole "thing"! 🤗💞💖
or it just did not clicked on me for some reason, but I trust my gut, that helped me a lot in my career. Thats why I am also so analytical towards it, to find a way out in the case there are more people
like me. And people like me are rarely vocal like me... but they exist.
Always honest reaction and yass great video!
I thing that this will standout in this semi eventhough there are more "memorable" songs. Let see! 😊
thx, I believe if they will sell its soft emotions correctly, it will stand out for sure, especially in the first half of the show
Thanks Jan Bors
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I am from Serbia, and your comments are pretty real. There is possibility for her to not pass semi. But on the other hand, I have faith in our delegation that they will improve staging a lot.
So interesting semifinal from this POV
@@JanBorshave you heard Zorja? On your opinion, who would do better on Eurovision? I think even though Ramonda is more original, that Zorja would do better, especially with jury, but also I think that she would easily pass semi.
In the First World War, Serbia lost about 30% of its population, 60% of its male population. The figure is around 1,200,000 inhabitants who lost their lives. This is perhaps the highest percentage that a country lost in that war. Ramonda is an endemic species and has 3 subspecies. One grows on the Iberian island and in Serbia there is Ramonda Serbian and Natalija's ramonda, which was named after the Serbian queen. Both species are endangered and are protected by law. Natalija's ramonda is also known as the phoenix because it can to dry completely and to revive again when the conditions are favorable. In the First World War, Natalija's ramonda was taken as a symbol of Armistice Day and as a symbol of Serbian suffering in that war, as a new beginning, as a phoenix. The song follows these two stories. It tells where the purple Ramonde disappeared, as a metaphor for the suffering that Serbia suffered. During the performance, purple luminous dots appear on the LED screens that rise and rise. They represent the souls of Serbian soldiers who died defending their country and which go to heaven. At the end of the words, a purple ramonda rises from the ashes. That verse represents the aspiration for a better tomorrow, for the end of war, for the end of suffering, for peace..
thx for such an amazing explanation!
You are generalizing Serbian music 😂 We have so diverse music scene.
Thats for sure, I used generalisation to explain why some voters could love it.
Nice analysis and good suggestions about improvement. I believe this will qualify, the Serbian disapora, Croatia and Slovenia will help with that (you were wrong about Moldova, they don't usually vote for us, Konstrakta received 0 points from them for example). Teya said in an interview that she will try to make the staging and performance as close to the video version as possible so it will be interesting to see what it will look like at ESC. I wanted either Zorja or Teya to win but now I am thinking that maybe Zorja would have done better at Eurovision telvoting wise, I watched reaction videos of both songs and everybody seems to like "Lik u ogledalu" while some people find Ramonda boring. What do you think? Also some people say that this song might get many points from juries if it makes it to the finals but I am not sure about that, the juries don't give Serbia much points usually.
I think the best song and performance was Bedem from Hristina, but also Zorja was good, Teya also. Today I was having ramonda all they in my had kinda "lila ramonda" but everyday is a different song. It does not have a proper progression imo, it just have this issue, that it misses the one impact, that moment why you put it on repeat (in my case). But she sing briliantly, who will fail about this, will have a problem even in public voting. So this is solved. The rest? Lets see
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She said she will try to implement elements from official music video of this song, so it is worth checking out.
Ramonda
I don't have I don't have me
I have no peace, I have no sleep
not let night come day
woe to him who is alone
Everything is quiet like under water
I'm screaming but it's not heard
behind the mountains a white glow
I don't see the end in sight
this time is for the wounded
And there is no one to guide me
to the bright star Danica
The world is burning, every flower
where they disappeared
Lila ramonda
lilac ramonda
ramonda
lilac ramonda
And there is no one to guide me
because the stars are all asleep
not even prayers help
where the lila ramondas disappeared
lilac ramonda
lilac ramonda
lilac ramonda
ramonda
It rises from the ashes
one lilac ramonda
I could not disagree more:those few ballads will actually stand out this year, amid all this craziness. Much more than last year, when Kaarija stood out. And there is no way this is not qualifyng (even without Croatia and Slovenia). Same with Slimane.
I would normally agree with this logic. But most of the "crazy" songs were voted by public in national selections, so this public probably will vote also for those. And even though, there are another genres, and also other balads. Who would do it more effectively, will go trough. Thats why Serbian stagin must bring a pure emotion as the song is not prograssing like Slovenian one f.e. and also its not that emotionally clear and goosbumps making as Iolanda's from Portugal, if she'll go trough. So its also a guess but rather be prepared and do may to avoid it.
@@JanBorsThe ballads you're referring to are quite different. For example, France has no staging and is represented by a strong male vocal who sings about love. I'd also argue that Slovenia doesn't have a ballad at all.
The song 🎵 & flower 🌸🌸🌸 metaphorically describes suffering of Serbian nation.
They suffered 5 centuries under Turkish occupation and managed to survive and save their identity.
In WW1 1/3 of the population and 60% of male population was murdered by Bulgarian, German and Austrian army...and they didn't announce a capitulation but the nation, led by the king went in an exile via hostile Albanian mountains. After all the suffering between 1914-1918, they returned back victorious and liberated all southern Slavic nations (Serbs, Croats, Slovenians, Macedonians) and created a South Slavic land (Yugoslavia).
Another genocide happened during WW2, more than 1 million Serbian people were brutally murdered in genocide, especially in the Jasenovac concentration camp 😪😪😪
Ramonda flower 🌸🌸🌸 symbolically describes Serbian nation ... they love freedom and will resist any Hegemon
🕊✌️ 🕊
💜✨🌸✨🌸✨💜💜
I agree that we have to have more realistic approach, but I cannot exactly see how statements like "its not that emotionally clear and goosbumps making" are realistic - it's literally just your opinion which is based on how you felt the song, not a fact. There are at least 7-8 reactions where people actually have shown having goosebumps from the get go. I like when you explain technical elements, and other factual stuff, but not when you try to pass your personal preference as an objective measure. And it directly contradicts your own appeal for objectivity. I mean, what "emotionally clear" even mean, and how did you make the comparison between Teya and Iolanda regarding that?
thx for what you write. I am sorry you see it this way. There will never be an objective eye regarding something hardly measurable like music. It goes with a different eye, experience and sense. When I say realistic, I mean look what others have and in which quality. Whether you agree or not. Such choice is yours. I am not saying I have an ultimate truth, just giving you my perspective as even those technicalities are still subjective. Ofc I am putting emotions into my videos, I am giving you me and my brain. Its not a professor speaking, but human, like you. For me it doesnt matter if Portugal will pass or Serbia. Both could, what do I know. There I dont put emotions but my experience with those two and you can take it or not. So my comparism was simply the experience between two emotional, gentle, soft songs - which one was made already almost perfectly even technically to deliver this and second one can be improved visually, to do it also. Does this make sense to you now?
Maybe I need to explain myself in videos better, that I am not craiving for something and if - I am telling that loud. If someone from delegation watch my video, maybe some idea, something will help them to realise or improve, or at least to think about. And thats it. Idk, maybe even that does not matter. As I also doing this as a training to myself and to learn. ... I am long again :D
@@JanBors
I know what you mean by realistic - I'm just saying if you want to keep it real, you should avoid making arguments out of your personal preferences. You cannot say things like "it's not gosebumps making", simply because it's not a fact - it's not giving that to you, as same as Bedem does, yet it doesn't for me. Difference is that I wouldn't say things like "Bedem is not goosebumps making" just because I'm not feeling it. That's my point - it's not objective, but totally subjective, which you proved by saying "my comparism was simply the experience between two emotional, gentle, soft songs" - your experience is not a fact because someone can experience the same thing in totally opposite way. But, when you say "which one was made already almost perfectly even technically to deliver this and second one can be improved visually, to do it also.", it's a totally different thing and I can agree with it, but it has literally nothing to do with what you said in the first place.
So, facts are, for example that people tend to vote less in the semis, from which we can suppose that they are mostly fans. Fact is that fans like uptempo songs better. Combining that we can make conclusion that slower songs may struggle.
But comparing songs on some personal criteria of emotional clarity or goosebumps inducing capability is anything but objective. I'm just pointing that out - if you already make plea for realistic approach, you should make difference between facts or reasonable assumptions made on facts, and opinions that are totally subjective.
@@JanBors
To expand a bit more - if you say "I'm not here to please people, but to tell like it is" (not exact words), by all means, please do that, that IS the reason I'm watching your reactions and comment on it. But then telling then that song is "not goosebumps inducting" or is "less emotionaly clear"as it's is a matter of fact kinda undermines it, because it isn't.
I do agree that all comes down to a personal impressions, but there is a difference - pointing out shaky camera work, absence of the build up, proposing better angles f.e. are to a degree objective. Same goes for the difficulties Ramonda will face in the semi against Portugal, Ukraine and many fast songs too. But not because the quality of the competitors, but again objective fact of people's preferences. Dutch song isn't quality song, neither is Cyprus or Iceland - but those are something people like (and we know that for a fact, how fans obsess over female bops or eurodance), for whatever reason, and that's why they may be strong competitors. We know that Croatia has its momentum, and after last year they might gather to "avenge" Kaarija.
But we also know that Eurovision is watched not only by fans, but actually by much more regular people, who listen to regular music, including ballads, which can make a ballad thorugh. Just take Solo for example - not a ballad, but a super plain song, that stormed the televote (it may be due to the fact that in all queernes people just wanted a cute-ish song "sung" by a cute girl).
I, of course may have gotten it all wrong, but I'm just giving you the example of a realistic debate or analysis with the emotion indeed excluded.
Of course you are free to talk about that too, but as I said before in the context of your impressions.
And, at the end, you make content, so it's also up for a critique, just like you do in this channel regarding other people's work.
I also get that viewers tend to get overprotective and emotional, and oh boy, my countrypeople can be annoying as fuck (just look at the triggered comments in this very video) - but if you are calling them out for being unrealistic, the least you should do is be realistic yourself.
I also get it's harder expressing yourself in other language than your own, but take this as constructive criticism (again, as same as when you say "if delegations are watching....") to make your analysis even better than it already is.
@@igortirkajla8042 It’s very easy to separate fact and opinion, he’s not passing his opinions as facts, I only think overly-passionate people conflate the two. If he says “it doesn’t create goosebumps” people should not think of it as a fact, that is very clearly his own opinion, so I’m not sure why it’s such big deal over him stating obviously it’s all his own ideas and perspective. You don’t need to say “this is my opinion” in front of everything he says, because the whole thing is his opinion. Even when he talks about the camera shots and more technical stuff - once again it is all his opinion and I’m sure some of the technicians would be very mad or get defensive and say the critical/harsh things many other people are saying if they saw his opinion and didn’t agree with him.
In the end, he’s not here to please people as you say, he’s here to say whatever he wants because it’s his opinion, so I don’t see the need to get so frustrated over it.
@@DaArcanePanda
"It’s very easy to separate fact and opinion" - and that's yor opinion. Fact is, it's sometimes easy, and sometimes it's not.
" he’s not passing his opinions as facts" - for the most time he does not, and yes, it could be understood as if there's an unsaid disclaimer of "just my opinion", but he did stated several times that he offers "realistic approach". So I was just suggesting to be more clear what is what.
" I only think overly-passionate people conflate the two." - or not just them.
" If he says “it doesn’t create goosebumps”... it’s all his own ideas and perspective." - Yes, I can agree that's his own perspective, but again, the way he framed it wasn't particulary clear to me. Yes, I could have supposed that unsaid disclaimer, but then again why should I? I am listening to what is said, not trying to figure out what was intended. And what he said, simply contradicts the reality. Of all things he could have criticized, he have choosen "lack of goosebumps induction", while there are dozens of videos, from Nigeria to Brazil where people literally have showed literal goosebumps. And then went on "lack of emotional claritey", while there's no chance someone won't perceive the emotion Teya Dora is conveying - even just by watching her body movements and facial expressions even if the song itself is on mute. I was curious, how he came up with that conclusion, when comparing it to Iolanda. OK, he can say, I feel it like that, but I was wondering why it is so, especilally when contrasted to numerous reactions stating the opposite. For example, if I were to answer the question why his favorite song from our NF doesn't strike me at all, I could add to that "I just don't feel it" an additional layer of "because that song is so unremarkable and similar to so many other ballads from all around".
"You don’t need to say “this is my opinion” in front of everything he says, because the whole thing is his opinion" - I've replied to this already.
"Even when he talks about the camera shots and more technical stuff - once again it is all his opinion "... informed opinion, and more importantly usually well argumentated such as "wide shot make stage looks empty which isn't good for television", and given his experience in TV, it leans more towards the fact side.
"nd I’m sure some of the technicians would be very mad or get defensive" - or they would just ask additional questions, as I did.
"and say the critical/harsh things many other people are saying if they saw his opinion and didn’t agree with him" - as I said, he is up for critique as anyone else - I did nothing different than what he is doing essentialy all the time, offered my perspective on some content, and saying what I do and I don't like, and tried to explain myself why.
"In the end, he’s not here to please people as you say, he’s here to say whatever he wants because it’s his opinion" - yes, but neither am I here to please him or anyone else, and I also can say whatever I want because it's my opinion.
"so I don’t see the need to get so frustrated over it" - neither do I - you're free to see it as a frustration, but it isn't. And that's the whole point - mixing opinions with facts. Not to mention that my apparent feelings have no place in this discussion whatsoever.
OMG 🙄 You are so kontradictor in your analysis. She with her voice is in the focus. That's the point.There is nothing to add. That is why she stands out ! Song and performance like no other.💜🌸
Calm :) Tell me more likely where I am contradicting myself? :)
@@JanBorsYou sad at the begining that everything is quiet and focus is on her than at the end you need more focus on her. Focus here is emotion and voice. If you did not feel the emotion than don't tell how to fix so you can feel it. You also sad that this is balad and would stand out but later you sad there are more balads and it would blend in.
@@JanBors and why you would not use the pink color?! That is the color of the Ramonda flower. Btw it is lila color not pink
@@anastanojevic619 because when you dont know it, it just destroys the whole clean visual done before. And 95% of people will not know. Or I would use it as ambient slowly, not such a concrete shape. So it would feel more abstract.
@@JanBors It want destroy enythig because throug all song lilac is mentioned so many times that it is expected to see it at some point. And the timing is perfect because at the end (after all dark and questions where lilac flowers go) finaly there thay are. Like hope at the and. And after all smoky,cloudy,gloome stage sharp shape has more efect And it is not that sharp it is actualy stliylish shape.
She is full of emotions, but you don't see it, stick to the stupid eurodisco crap.
did you at least saw the whole video?
If people still need proof that he dislikes Serbia, this is the video! Dude always hating on that country 😂😂
I am always suprised what can be taken as hate? Tips how to improve the staging?
@@JanBors
Cos that's what you always do.
Can be more patetic 1:41 ?
@@user-gl1tc7wi8gzašto sabotiraš svoje?
She needs some beautiful dress and more lighting on the stage and thats it.
Nooo
Fali dobar režiser kao kod Marije Šerifović (Gorčin Stojanović) koji ume sve da spakuje u 3 minuta💫
Serbians are very passionate about their songs usually, so no surprise to see them bashing you in the comments just for making a few constructive criticisms even after you said you quite like the song 😂. I like Serbia (one of the few countries that respects my ethnic country China) and especially love the diversity of Serbian entries too, but I think some of these overpassionate responses are too harsh or too blinded by their opinions to respect your opinion. There is never such a backlash to negative reactions on CZcams channels EXCEPT for Serbian entries 😂, but that’s what happens when you criticise patriotic people. Of course I would understand this sentiment being Chinese in Australia.
You’ve clearly expressed your opinion that you like the song, like a lot of the staging too, but you’re scared it won’t have enough memorable impact in a televote-only semi final which seems a perfectly valid, nuanced perspective.
I’m not sure what will happen to this song tbh, I’m not a huge fan (I loved Zorja’s Lik u Ogledalu much more), it felt somewhat emotional but little boring to me and I didn’t connect to it that much, though the staging looks dark and magnificent. I hope Serbia qualifies because it adds much depth, sophistication, and quality to the grand final so it’s not all dance, crazy pop songs. Just from its magnificence, uniqueness, popularity in eurofandom and Serbia public, I would be surprised if it doesn’t qualify.
I am curious, this for sure call for diaspora call. As even it might seem crazy, the quality is not anymore the considerable element neither assurance of safe qualificiations. Unless you have an amazing hit, which this year really dont have yet.
Zorja's song is also N1 as it to you....
In the last 4 years we have really popular festival PZE. Kids love it and we get mostly songs one month in advance and choose their favourite and than cheer for them until the end. There was a lot of discussions and people were devided between 4 entries. So every song has their supporters and if you say something against it they will react (mostly younger people and kids) so no offence.😊
I think ur suggestions sucks overall. U r talking about twitching it to be perfect, meanwhile it’s an emotional ballad that hits right in the spot and it captivates u. It is emotional, and as we all know - emotions are not perfect. So it’s unique in its own way as it is, and this being the year of “crazy” songs, a ballad sang by woman is straight up top 3 material, dare I say a winner material. And if someone takes the time to go thru meaning of the song, which can be interpreted in so many ways and feelings, it hits the spot. Even if u take the already given meaning of Ramonda flower, during chaos and ongoing wars in a world - it’s a much needed message to be heard. P.S. Adding pyro would ruin the whole performance, it would be too much and it would ruin the complete visual.
why so much emotions? Not everyone sees it the same as you. Rather be realistic and prepared, that also maybe some other people who might see it same like me also watch... but ofc, my suggestions sucks overall, than everything is perfect how it already is and thats quite positive :)
Again shading Serbia..nothing new…NEXT
where do you see any shading? What is the problem?
Oh, one more Western liberali egomaniac. Go enjoy with your IV Reich friends. Leave Serbia alone with your hate speech.
She should get quite few points from Germany, Australia (perhaps few other countries), because a lot of Serbs are living there. I'm not a fan of that, but it's a fact. During 2000s, Serbia benfited a lot from public votes. The battle for jury votes was always more challenging. Remember Konstrakta, for example. I was 100% sure it would be the other way around when I saw the performance for the first time.
Diaspora votes and neigbour voting has always a big say and will just grow with those rules and this will happen. For this also Serbia has amazing draw. Even though also the song is good, so it will receive also those 5,3,2s from. I will do a big video soon about voting chances based on statistics.
Seems more like your own personal bias coming in this discussion instead of professional analysis. Which is fine, but lets not mark this as a "professional opinion" when bias is seeping in.
hmm, this is a hard topic as this is a problem of all even analytical reviews, cuz there can be always a bit different point of view. Especially talking about something like music. I tried to as much as possible to rise some concerns which can be on Serbia's way to achieve more. And thats it.
well, unfortunately i always thought that u are being honest but after seeing your comments on twitter and what u said about Serbia calling it ,,genocidal'' country or something like that was just awful because you clearly don't know history and what happened... i also see that WHATEVER Serbia sends you will never like, it's not because it is bad u just hate Serbia as a country, that's pretty sad and u missed the point.
where did you get this from? I am rly curious of those contexts :D
Will you please link the twitter comments where he said that? I watched this whole video and watched his reaction videos of PZE24 and I don't get the feeling that he dislikes or hates Serbia, Serbian music or Serbian people. If you are making accusations like this then show proof also.
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