Building a Wheel With No Spoke Holes | Tech Tuesday
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- Calvin finds a lot of joy in building a bicycle wheel. What's more, one of his friends has a fancy new rim that has Calvin more excited than usual; a rim without traditional spoke holes. A nontraditional rim means a nontraditional wheel build. Is Calvin up to the task? Watch and find out!
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Watching Calvin build these is as close as I ever want to come to having to deal with wheels without spoke holes 😂
When he said that he was gonna take each nipple through that one hole, I started to wonder if the inside of the rim moved.... NOPE! When he pulled out the magnet, I instantly knew I never want to do this.
I do about 90% of wrenching on my bikes myself, and I hate TL tape with a passion. Been on these kind of rims for 3 years, replaced some spokes too -- never looking back. Just ordered a new pair of there Real-tubeless rims, carbon and asymmetric, of course. Sure, you have to lace them for an hour instead of 10 min. per wheel, but totally worth it.
How is this not an April Fool?
@@krushiXX I don't get tubeless. Why would you not want a tube? This is crazy. Solves so many problems.
@SianaGearz A main argument I've heard for tubeless is being able to run a relatively lower tire pressure without increasing the risk of a flat. This is especially good on mountain bikes riding on rough terrain when compliance affects the ride quality. 50psi tires over roots isn't fun. On a bike that will mainly be ridden on the road, tubes seems like the right choice to me due to its ease of serviceability and your decreased proximity to a bike shop than from a mountain (presumably)
never expected to see a homemade nipple clamp shown off on a bike tool channel, yet here we are
Calvin is the cool uncle that knows pulls quarters out of your ears, cheers you up every time you see him, and can fix literally anything.
Calvin, Thank you for giving some patience perspective on some very frustrating aspects of our jobs. There is a lot to be said for accepting how challenging and frustrating a job can be before starting it so when it turns frustrating, the frustration just becomes an accepted bit of patience in the end.
When Calvin said "I have a solution, but the first step is - ignore it." I felt that on a personal level 😂
Suddenly, tubeless tape doesn't seem so bad! Also, if you use tape that is a few mm wider than your internal rim width, the tape will extend slightly up the wall of the rim on either side and is much less likely to be disturbed when installing/removing tires.
What was wrong with having a tube, and why are you inventing so much unneeded trouble?
Wrong. If you use rim tape that matches your rim's internal rim width, it won't cover the entire width of the rim bed as the valley adds distance between two sides of the rim bed. The perfect width is always a little wider and it varies from rim to rim as different rims have different rim bed profiles.
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I could watch Calvin shaking the wheel for days.
To anyone that is interested, including you, Calvin, I have been building tapeless rims since last fall, and have found several tricks/tips to make the process easier, but it still is a time consuming process. It is really nice when done and many times the tire holds air without using any sealant at all, but still add it for puncture healing. Look forward to hearing from anyone interested.
I really hope you've figured out a away to deal with loose nipples inside!!
Which rim is this?
I also build tapeless in a style not dissimilar to Calvin.
I use nylon sewing thread tied to a shorter length of spoke. Drop it in the spoke hole and draw it out of the valve hole with the magnet. Screw on the nipple and washer and pull the thread through.
Rather than the modified peg, I found a bag of miniature pegs at a craft store and now put all the nipples in first held in place with the mini pegs. Start opposite the valve hole and work back so you're not installing nipples over the top of existing ones.
I'm curious what you charge to build a set compared to the regular rim? I can't see many people being too happy when you charge 3x the price of building a normal wheel, well at least that's what I'd be charging for doing it and the amount of time it'd take.
@@MountainBikeBarbados Hi MBB, I build the wheels for a friend who has his own business and he does all of the business dealings. Im fairly confident that the charge isn't what it could be but if you're interested I can give you his name and number. I know at one point we were building and selling carbon fiber, aero, gravel bike wheels for a price that was extremely reasonable
Calvin is just sooooooo good. I do enjoy watching him do his magic and he is an amazing teacher!
Looks like fun! I appreciate the creative approach to problem solving and expect to be very busy building these up if they really catch on. Thanks!
Suggestion: tie a small feather to a long piece of dental floss and shove it in one of the spoke holes. Apply shop vac to the valve hole and vacuum the feather out. Then use the dental floss to pull the nipple back the other way.
Campagnolo having been making their wheels with "no spoke holes" for years. They provide a special steel screw that threads into the nipple and magnet.
Shamal 2-way fit, been around for almost 10 years
Right. It's called MoMag.
I’m intrigued… I’ll have to look into those wheels.
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This system is called MoMag and it was developed by Campagnolo a while ago. Only recently it got adopted by other rim manufacturers. Campagnolo's best kept secret.
Calvin thank you, this is one of your best. Loved the whole thing. Also have a wheel to fix (no spoke holes)
CALVIN JONES!!! Genius technique! Thank you for sharing with us
Another great video! Thank you!
Pro tip: Using the attachment hose from your vacuum cleaner on the valve hole will greatly reduce the amount of shaking needed to get any loose nipples/debris out of the rim. Just make sure you use a clean vacuum bag / clean out your vacuum beforehand to make finding the sucked out object easy.
I just started out as a bike tech at my shop and in a month I have sky rocketed my knowledge because of BBB-4 and park tool videos. I rather watch park tool videos than like tv shows 🤣
Yeoleo rims also have an unpierced rim bed. They come with nipples preinstalled from the factory :) Combine with a straight pull hub and bladed spokes, that makes for a wheel that actually laces quicker than a traditional wheel with J-bend spokes. The spoke pattern is determined and fixed in place by the hub, so you can insert all spokes at once before lacing. The spokes can be freely rotated to thread in the nipples, so no need to losen the tape securing the nipples untill the wheel is fully laced. The flat surface of the bladed spokes makes them a little easier to turn...
Is it possible to replace a spoke nipple on those, or is the whole rim dead if you break a nipple?
I like my tubeless tires to ride on, but when they need replacing I'm going back to normal tires. Tubeless aren't worth the hassle.
The TPU tubes from Schawlbe, Tubolito, Perelli, etc. are just as light or lighter than sealant and a tubeless valve. If you're not concerned with running super low pressures and don't have thorns/cacti on your trails, they're a great option.
@@stephenkohler3472 I'm mostly a bike commuter, and my problem with tubeless has been that I have to pump them up about every other day because they go soft too quick. Pumping up tires used to e something I'd have to do every few weeks.
@@minuteman4199 generally if you dont get much flats tubeless only really makes sense on mountain bikes and sometimes gravel. if you are just commuting on paved roads id just get some puncture resistant tires.
@@knife1406 Agreed. I used to use Gatorskins (Continental?) and they were great.
@Minute Man Oh, yeah. Tubes all the way for that scenario.
Continental has a big selection of commuter tires now. It's the "contact" series. Most have flat protection. Im planning on running the contact urbans on mine soon.
I own two pairs of these rims and they're great if you don't break spokes often. Not sure I'd want to build them up but I bought them pre-built.
Excellent as usual for this tedious job😢 anyone has to agree Calvin has a lot of patience 😂
When installation is easier this tech is going to be fantastic.
I had a situation with a wheel, so I tried this technique, and was amazed at easy it was and how well it worked. Now I have to go and cut down a clothes pin.
I have built a few wheels with this type of rim and used exactly the same technique. It is much easier with straight pull spokes, but still doable with J bend.
That clothespin hack is genius. My big fat fingers have a hard time manipulating the nipple to get it started. Definitely going to try that next time.
looks like a Light Bicycle Falcon Pro Rim :D
Trying to watch this working out on the trainer and it's the most stressful video I have ever seen 😂
Thank you for this interesting wheel build.
And for all we know Calvin is still shaking that wheel today :)
this would make tubeless setups so much easier
Hello Bonjour Calvin Merci beaucoup à bientôt 🖐️😊 👍
Soon as they is a park tool for this Sealed Rim the better and while more time consuming just like all wheels one takes there time anyways and once done it will pay for itself in time saved in no need to replace the rim tape.
Something magnetic that threads into the nipple that has a rounded end with that 🧲 park tool and a new small park tool for grabbing it in place will be great to see in the future
Great video as usual from Calvin - it gives me inspiration to stay with more traditional wheels I will buy polyruthan tubes instead on tubeless
For those who find that internal cable routing is not enough of a challenge.
Such an artistic video chock full of sage advice!
I could see Park Tool coming up with a tool kit for building Tapeless rims. It would include an anodized BH 1.2 clamp and magnet handle!
I can totally see a micro-spoke where only the tip is magnetic would come through the hole much more easily... and some kind of a mini net to fish out the loose nipples: net can go through the hole and opens up inside the rim, catches the nipple and you just pull out... c'mon Park tool!
The fishing stud could be built with a magnet only at the tip and the rest non magnetic to make it more likely to hit the hole without the wiggling around so much.
Nice to see you in your elementals.
"you saw *that* was fun, and now its gonna get better". great problem solving.
Definitely interesting wheel concept....But I am good watching Calvin lace that wheel.
INR-2 is a set of internal nipple rims sold by park tool. You should check those out in the next video.
Tapeless rims for my tubeless tires on my bike with clipless pedals to go sking on my waxless skis.
Campagnolo/fulcrum have been using this design for like 10 years, both alu and steel spokes
Yes, correct. But with this system, you get to be part of the fun, picking hubs you want and spokes you like.
Calvin meu professor Deus abençoe "sempre" você e sua família. meu amigo Calvin sou do Brasil!🇧🇷🛠️⚙️🔧🧰👩🔧🇧🇷
It really test my patience if i have one of that rim
You gotta paint that clothespin proprietary blue
When I came across this problem on one of the road rims around 15 years ago I used brake cable that you feed through nipple hole and push it until it reaches valve hole, than you pull it out with thin nose pliers feed the nipple and the cable will guid it to the right place. I found it much faster than magnet.
I'm always happy to see I'm not the only bike mechanic who refuses to comb my hair 😂
Nice job god bless
Two tips; a small thumb screw threaded into a spoke wrench. A strong string/rope attached to the steel spoke spike, put it into desired inner hole and work with the magnet to the valve hole add nipple pull back to inner hole, attach above mentioned spoke wrench and tighten thumb screw test the proceed as normal.
I built my first bike at the end of 2022. I decided to also lace my first own custom wheels by Light Bicycles with no access spoke holes. Despite it being a 24 hole, I probably laced both wheels in about 6 hours. I threaded a magnetic screw into a nipple and thread it through the valve hole with a magnet. Not that much different from Calvin.
Learning this is advantageous I’m sure…but the learning curve is an actual nightmare haha. Thanks for the tips though it’s greatly appreciated.
Great video Calvin ! My Campy Bora WTO tubeless wheelset does not have spoke holes and I can instal a Pirelli P Zero Race tubeless tire as fast as a tube type system.
Thankyou big "C" For an entertaining vid
That would be a pile of scrap metal on my garage floor within the first hour.
How can that be. Your a minuteman, You only do things for a minute or they only take a minute for you.
@@emirrp Ha!! maybe a bit of both.
@Emil Persson maybe just very very small...
Legend has it, he's still shaking that rim ....
I think they should be called the WBTS - Wheel Builder Torture System
Dealing with internal routing is bad enough. Now we have to deal with this too! 😅
Must have been a monk in another life 🙏
The clothespin is genius!
Calvin, maybe when a nipple gets stuck in there you should try pairing one of those little sealant adding tubes from the Tsi-1 with a vacuum cleaner to stick or suck up the spoke out of the rim.
You make learning fun!
Just leave the dropped nipples in the rim for future road/trail-side repairs! Easy-peasy!
That's an interesting wheel. I am also a wheel builder.
Informative. Thank you.
I'd love to see a special Park Tool tool instead of the books.
Something like BK-400 (as in 400 page book). 😉
I've always referred to it as a sealed rim bed. I get mine from light bicycle.
I'm pretty sure the rim in the video is from Light Bicycle also, as the finish is the same.
My man needs the Park Tools HB-01 hair brush
@7:23 finally wheel builders can earn their keep.🤣
I'll have to think long and hard whether I want to go this route on my next wheel build.
Looks like a right PITA.🤕
I built a rear wheel with such a rim bed once, a little time-consuming, but not as bad as I thought, just be careful not to accidentally knock the nipple back into the rim.
Ill stick with tape, 2 laysers did it every time. As alway love the energy.
Bet the BH-1.3 will look a lot like one of those rubberized crocodile clamps xD
soldering on a regular basis I totally feel you! holding all those tiny pieces can be such a pain :D
that new tool will be blue and 50$ a pop 😆
I like building wheels. Recently built a huge one for my bew unicycle. During the process accidentally dropped a nipple inside. It took 20 minutes to get it out.
I don't think I'd enjoy building that holeless rims, lol.
Gotta love the mechanical advantage
I offer these as wheelsets and call it tapeless tubeless for lack of better word. I have developed a method to optimize the threading process. Thread all nipples amd secure them, then lace. Straightpull hubs make it a ton easier as you can twist the spoke into the nipple.
Aikon G740 by Bockstein is the name of the wheels, gravel/allroad optimized
The straight pull makes a great partner with these types of rims.
@@parktool Once you get used to this type of rim it's hard to beat as a product. We found that using straightpull spokes, a Sapim SILS nipple that has a dimple to stop easy thread engagement (so you get consistent depth while twisting the spoke into the nipple on first lacing) and a lacing jig in conjunction with prepping each rim before lacing speeds up the process immensely. We are down to 10-12 minutes per wheel, for lacing, including nipple threading via magnet.
Why not make it a star-like tool (for turning) that can both clam down where it splits in two, and do the magnet operation?
Bonus for making the insertion hole parabolic so the spoke is guided into the nipple.
Has to be slightly concave to account for the bend in the rim. Maybe rims like this exist in 16" size?
The un-holy system!
Inside-Out Rims
I SWX coin the term Enclosed system. for the closed wheel. April 9, 2023
I recently rebuilt a wheel with this kind of rim, it's not as hard as I thought, though a little more time-consuming. Just need to be careful not to knock the nipple back into the rim when the guide is removed from the nipple.
Could they add some non-structural material to the interior near the valve hole so loose nipples funnel out easier instead of getting caught on the side like I assume happens?
It should be possible, I haven't seen any rim with this design yet, if it does exist.
A steel ball on the tip of an aluminum stud might be the ticket if you had to do this often, save all that fiddling around.
Awesome video 👍🤘
i'm calling it The Unholey Wheel Standard
Love the thumbnail xD
Love it
Rim tape for me dawg!
Legend has it calving jones is still shaking his wheel imagine if more fell in 😊☠️
Tweezers can get elusive nipples out at the end of the wheel build process . A shaped scalpull can also be useful inserted against one side of the valve hole to catch these nipples .
you know when I will buy this wheel? one day after never
I started lacing my own wheels from my second set onwards. I've probably built about 30 wheels. If I ever get these rims I'm dropping them off with at a LBS
I really hope these start becoming more commonplace on prebuilt wheels, especially mountain bike ones. Tubeless is nice, but the rim tape is the absolute worst part of the whole system.
Will a IR-1.3 (Internal Cable Routing) work with this method? Maybe update it with a nipple adapter at one end?
BH-1 should contain a special shortened spoke where just the tip is magnetic Tip. Feeding through the hole should be easy then....
tip for anyone doing this, use brass nipples if you are going to use a carbon rim, its going to save you a lot of headache later on.
Tip also use washers because you sre buying expensive rim why risk fucking it up. Actually those crapafectures should come to senese and start using steel for nipples.
I have zero intention of ever building a wheel. Watched this whole video anyway.
So, when will the IRN-1 (internal routed nipple kit) be available to purchase?. Of course it will have to include he BH-1.2 as well.
"I am sorry, but we were unable to replicate that rattle you told us about..."
& also, did I hear Calvin transpose 'valve core' for 'valve stem'? The core is the bit that screws into the stem. & also, you get fugitive nipples out easier by bouncing the rim on a moderately dense piece of rubber mat on the workshop floor. It makes the nipples go airborne inside the rim and reorients them vertically , so as to come out of the valve hole better than just shaking the rim. Ask me how I know this.
We thought it was more fun to watch Calvin endlessly shake a rim in the dark. -Park Tool Video Team
Like dropping a pick inside an acoustic guitar.