How Loretta Reversed EXTREME Tinnitus & Hyperacusis (Sound Sensitivity)
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Can hyperacusis, (extreme sound sensitivity) be treated? The answer is YES! Loretta, one of our Treble Health patients, joins us today to share her exciting story of how she received treatment for her hyperacusis that was so extreme that daily sounds like water running were unbearable.
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I feel like the hyperacusis is something more common when tinnitus first starts because your brain is over stimulated. For me it was bad like Loretta, but it resolved within two months and the tinnitus took a little longer. I somehow managed to bring my tinnitus from around 4-5 down to a 2 within 4 months by myself. I’m definitely at the point where I no longer think about it and only hear it at night in a quiet room (before I put on noise machine). When it first began I didn’t sleep the first two month because it was so loud even with masking. I’m relaying my story to help people have hope for recovery.
Thank you for sharing, Kathleen! :)
Kathleen how many months did it take for u to stop hearing therapy?
@@treblehealth sir plz help me..my child is suffering from hyperaqusis...i am from india..
@@sanjidakhan7011pls contact remoo clinic Dwarka he will help you
Please share your recovery tips! My hyperacusis was triggered purely from the persistent health anxiety i was facing due to another health condition (prostatitis). Which also is pointed towards stress/anxiety. I am constantly focusing on noise desensitisation, determined to recover as i am 32 getting married soon! I have to beat this and i have a life to live. Any tips would be appreciated🙏🏽. I feel the symptoms significantly fall when i am on benzo’s which is a sign its all anxiety related?
I remember when i first got tinnitus my heating was sensitive to some degree, but my anxiety and panic attacks were arguably worse, seeing these people with extreme cases and thinking i would get to the point where i wouldn’t be able to hear anything but ringing by age 20, because of the things I’ve read and seen related to tinnitus, and i broke down a couple times. It’s gotten manageable and it hardly bothers me anymore, but I’ll be so ready for the day that tinnitus has good affordable treatments in the US
This was great! I don't have hyperacusis but it does give me the confidence and hope that eventually I will habituate and my tinnitus will no longer be as noticeable as I continue my therapy with Treble Health. I am so fortunate to have found Treble Health - I've learned so much with all of Dr. Ben's CZcams videos.
Margarita do you use sound generators if so what sounds do u listen too?
@@cathy9814 I'm at the early stages of figuring out the different kinds of sounds feel comfortable and are helpful during sound therapy. At the moment, ocean waves are the most soothing and calming, also zen-like sound seems to help. I have hearing aids and I stream it through the hearing aids. Hope this helps.
@@MargaritaCruz-sc1nb yes I help a lot thank you so much
Great to hear from you, Margarita. :)
Another success hope it helps others and myself it’s great to hear another person has gotten rid of this hideous noise. Thanks for sharing again.
My tinnitus and hyperacusis (plus vertigo) came on 2 days after booster vax. At first if I went out say past a hedge full of sparrows the sound was so loud and I could still hear it two streets away! Gradually over about 2 months after seeing your videos I tell myself that it wont harm me and now (6 months later) much better. The TV is sometimes too loud when womens voices are on but I wear cotton wool/ear plugs etc. and I can cope. I now love going to restaurants and can sit in garden when neighbours are using their mowers and strimmers. So grateful to you for your continued support.
Glad I didn't take bidens jab.
Me too but in 4 hrs of the vaccine. But I didn’t know it was hypercusis I thought my tinnitus was just sensitive that was 2 years ago. Now as of a month ago I’m in my bedroom all sounds even eating and swallowing water even if I whisper causes discomfort and extreme spikes. I want treble health to help but I’m unable to call as voices hurt. If anyone at treble health see this please send me an email. Thank you
Ben. Thank you so much for everything you do. I can still hear my T and I’m still anxious time to time, but your videos are just this constant reassurance that I’ll be ok.
Thank you x
Hey Lewis, we're glad to know that our videos have helped you. Enjoy exploring our other CZcams videos, as well as blog articles on our Treble Health website.
Thank you for these videos. They are the only thing giving me hope. I just joined the Treble Health program and I'm looking forward to making progress. I'm also a musician, so the fear of losing my music has been devastating. I'm also 64 years old, and I see many success stories of patients that are my age.
I have hyperacusis. I do sound therapy but when my tinnitus is bad I can’t stand dishes in the sink clanging, emergency sirens on vehicles, even driving my car the noise on the road disturbs me. I try not to wear ear plugs only when in a really noise environment.
Thank you for these videos. It always helps me feel better, even though I know I should try to avoid thinking about my tinnitus as much as possible.
You're welcome and we're so glad you liked them. Enjoy exploring our other CZcams videos, as well as blog articles on our Treble Health website.
Good bless you for putting this video out! It’s me!! So thankful for discussing all of this, making me feel hopeful again.
You are so welcome Alicia! Be well. :)
If treble heath sees this I’d like an email my hypercusis is a level 4 unable to communicate unless by email . Please let me know where to email thank you
Hello Dr. Ben, many people think of ringing in their ears when hearing the word Tinitus and there’s not much talk about us who suffer from MEM (TTTS). I’ve been suffering with this for 6 months now and losing hope. It’s been a nightmare. Would you mind sharing any TTTS success stories as well. ❤️ thank you so much for all you do.
how are you doing now?
Dear Ben, I'm sincerely and kindly asking you to make a video or a post in your website regarding dysacusis, if you have worked with anybody with that condition. I believe giving sensitive reactions to high freq sounds because of tinnitus make the hearing focus ın these parts and make it disoriented in some way. Can sound theraphy resolve it?
Thankyou for doing this interview Loretta . You are giving me hope . 💐 x
Loretta's insights indeed shed light on managing tinnitus. It's great to hear her perspective brought hope your way. Stay positive! 💜
I have tinnitus and severely deaf of my left ear and have hyperacusis 😢This video gives me hope! But unfortunately I live in a third world country of Belize 🇧🇿 and here this doctors are really not prepared at all to treat these conditions! 😔
Thank YOU for making this video your message gave me hope! 🤞🏾❤
You are so welcome. Be well. 😊
I have dealt with hyperacusis for a very long time any assistance or feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks
I'm sorry to hear about your struggle with hyperacusis, and I understand how challenging it can be. We specialize in hyperacusis and would be happy to provide you with assistance and personalized feedback. Please book a complimentary telehealth consultation with one of our experienced audiologists using this link treble.health/consultation to discuss your concerns and explore effective strategies for managing hyperacusis.
Anxiously await tomorrow, to talk with you. I don't understand why I have not found you before today.
THANKS!
You're welcome! :)
Uplifting video. However, I would’ve liked to know more about her dietary changes as she said it helped her a lot improving her symptoms. Also, I’m not clear about her tinnitus situation (the testimony is mainly focused on hyperacusis), but did her tinnitus improve as well? Since it was vaccine induced, what type of sounds did she hear? Anyways, these positive testimonies are always welcome.
What noise should i be playing on sound machines to help with hyperacusis and tinnitus?
Should it be white, pink noise? Please help. I damaged my hearing... and i want to try and fix
Pink or brown apparently.
I have hyperacusis and tinnitus causen by an acoustic trauma. This happened 1,5 years ago. This far it has gone away with time (3 months) but although I protect myself, it comes back with sudden smaller shocks, for instance a car honk right next to me. Any comments or recommendations for care?
I'm sorry to hear about your experience with hyperacusis and tinnitus after an acoustic trauma. Carrying earplugs with you is a good idea so that you can protect your ears from sudden loud noises like car honks. Additionally, consider booking a complimentary telehealth consultation with one of our audiologists for personalized care by using this link: treble.health/consultation
Congratulations Loretta! Very well done. How much hearing loss do you have? And from when do you have hearing loss?
At first I had severe hyperacusis without knowing. Then I was invited to a concert and it gets loud, thats where I felt stab pain in the ears and where my tinnitus Journey began. I got better over the years even with many setbacks all most by my fault. Im better from H but 80dbs or 85dbs still loud to me and I need to use earplugs. I use silicon ones. Im again on a setback now because they had a loud party at the local bar and I forgot to take my earplugs with me and Ive stayed there a bit to long with some friends. My T have spiked and my ears are still a bit full and inconfortable with some sounds. Hope all this seatle down soon.
Just wear ear plugs for a few months
Update??
Dear Ben, could you please make a film about your case, how did it start, how did you deal with and at what stage are you tinnitus / hypersensitivity now?
Great suggestion. Thanks, Dominik!
Thank you, this has given me some hope, what I do not know is how hyperacusis behaves in a patient with acoustic trauma (damaged ear cells)
I have acoustic trauma
this gives me so much hope
Thanks for sharing ...I had my existing tinnitus get worse after Covid this past March and with trying different meds to deal with the insomnia from Covid..I also have some sound sensitivity.
You're welcome, Michelle. If you need help, feel free to contact our team at Treble Health and we can do our best to help you.
What treatment is there for Tonic Tensor Tympani Syndrome?
Thanks Dr Ben thompsan for this video
I am very happy that hyperacusis is treatable
But treatment is time taking
You're welcome, PAC. Be well. 😊
I have been in treatment with 3 audiologists, including Trebel Health and wear maskers for 6 years. I have reactive tinnitus and both are still bothersome. Why does this occur in patients like me?
It sounds like you're dealing with a challenging situation. We can revisit a new plan for you where we can add other helpful options to manage your tinnitus. Use this link to schedule a complimentary telehealth consultation with one of our tinnitus experts treble.health/consultation
Is there any support groups here in the Philippines? I think people who are suffering with tinnitus here are not given much attention.
Thanks for the hope. I must have hyperacusis severe in my right ear (my left ear is normal). When anyone would talk the sound would be like an echo chamber and this tingling sensation. I know how I got this. I would play the synthesizer with headphones and like the piano the high pitch is on the right side going up the keyboard, what the right headphone hears in stereo. Then to make things worse, I would play harmonics on the fretless bass and that took me over the threshold of no return, if you will... I broke something in the ear for sure not bouncing back. I live near Duke University hospital and hope there is someone in this area that knows enough about hyperacusis. I want to be so careful not to get treatment by the inexperienced and make my situation worse. Thanks again.
how are you rn
My hyperacusis is very similar to yours I only have it in my left ear, the one thing that bothers me the most about it is I can’t talk or have anyone talk to me without my ear echoing or rumbling.
The good news, at least for me, is that after a month the echo and tingling went completely away. My sensitivity has improved as well because I purchased these great ear plugs (Minuendo Lossless Earplugs for $140) and worth every penny. A great tool because it cuts out the high frequency which was my problem do to high pitch damage from musical instruments as mentioned. I'm still very sensitive to the clanking of dishes, dog barking, text bells, etc. but can deal with that. In fact, the plugs have this great feature where you can use them throughout the day and adjust a sensitivity level such as if they aren't even in your ear. Hope this helps.
Thank you for the helpful video! Dr. Burn thank you for your sincere compassion and care for people that are struggling.
My pleasure, Chuck! Enjoy exploring our other CZcams videos, as well as blog articles on our Treble Health website.
Doctor you guide well to patient God bless you
Thank you for sharing ☺️
My pleasure 😊
It you have high frequency hearing loss, I have it in my right ear and some in my left, will the maskers eventually make your tinnitus go down. My buzzing from my ears makes the sound on top of my head.
please make video about wim hof breathing causing tinnitus
This is a great suggestion for future topic!
That technique causes tinnitus?
Are there similar positive examples on this channel from people who have suffered for a lot longer? 5 years or 10 years etc?
I've had it for 5 years, initially mild and tinnitus evoked and then turned 100 times worse with acoustic trauma and worse still with overprotection. As soon as I learned that hearing protection makes it worse it's been steadily improving with gradual sound exposure and CBT counseling. Still there, but my goal is to eventually have near normal noise tolerance.
@@cheerbeerification sounds hopeful. Hope you continue to improve chief.
@@cheerbeerification Any update?
@@Hew.Jarsolmine problem is that when I hear external everyday sounds my ear make noise to these sounds and I get pounding thumping sensation in my ear. is yours like this
@@lilemre8930 I've got Hyperacusis as well grrr. Anxiety
Hi Dr Ben, does the sound therapy work on chemotherapy-induced and/or radiotherapy-induced hyperacusis and tinnitus?
I’m a little confused. Is the treatment for Hyperacusis and tinnitus the same?
Guys can someone please guide me?! I have access to the best private hospitals, audiologists but no one has given me the right advice. I had no previous medical conditions, super fit, active, listening to music maximum of ~1 hour a day along with a few phone calls.
I only have been under chronic stress and anxiety since I was diagnosed with prostatitis and I have been dizzy (feels like floating) (Nov '22) and suddenly ~10 days ago, I noticed sensitivity to sounds.
My symptoms are that sudden noises make me agitated, everything seems louder, dull ache on my left ear. There is no clear pattern and a hair dryer seems OK to me but the tap in the sink seems annoying. The audiometry report shows that I can hear sounds under 0 DB . I don't think I have tinnitus with the occasional ringing in my right ear which doesn't make sense as the audiometry test shows issues with the left ear
I want to change my life! I am getting married in ~3 months, I am desperate and I am able to go to any country in this world to help me fix this. Please guide me !! I want to work on my recovery earlier before it gets worse.. I have stopped going out, stopped training.. its all downhill from here..extremely suicidal!
Sorry to hear what you've been through, Chintan. Feel free to contact our team at Treble Health and we can do our best to help you.
Hi Ben. Your website says you are not accepting patients outside the US. I am based in Australia, i would appreciate if i could work with you🙏🏽
@@tan17391how was your hyperacusis now
@@tan17391Did it get better?
I have recently been diagnosed with hyperacusis, It began in early 2021 and I’ve only just started treatment. I believe it was caused by listening to music on headphones at the highest volume for too long, on top of that I had an Eustachian tube dysfunction which probably also had a hand in it. That has since been fixed but the hyperacusis got worse possibly because my hearing was clearer than before
Do you have any reccomendations for dealing with Eustachian tube dysfunction? I have had it for about 16 months and it seems to make my tinnitus and hyperacusis worse when it flares up.
@@tylerabell8811 I would take at least 3 decongestant pills a day once in the morning, then in the afternoon and lastly at night before bed. Another option I used is a device called an Otovent where you blow up a balloon using your nose on each side twice a day for at least 3 to 4 weeks, maybe a little longer if you feel like you still need it
Did it get any better?
Can someone please give me some advice on ototoxic medication. I have been suffering from another chronic condition (chronic pelvic pain syndrome) and i was prescribed norfloxacin (oct ‘22) and amitriyptline (jan ‘23) and my sound sensitivity started right after 1-2 doses of amitriptyline. I heard these medications can be ototoxic. I have no hearing loss but only chronic anxiety. Can the medication have caused the Hyperacusis?
This video really helped me
Glad to hear that! :) Be well.
mine problem is that when I hear external everyday sounds my ear make noise to these sounds. (if the sound is loud or certain sound this is more inevitable.) and I get pounding thumping sensation and noise in my ear. anyone like me?
Me
@@_CinematicB how long have you had? I hear noise like thumping pounding sound or electricity like I don't know how to express
@@lilemre89302 months so far hyper for 5
Does v@x - induced hyperacusis differ from regular hyperacusis?
What is the success ratio you have with therapy?
Never heard of induced
@bls8959 Yes, it is one of the many, many documented adverse reactions to the shot.
@@entropy2002 what shot
@@bls8959 The clot shot, the fauci ouchi.
Is there someone that does the same thing as Treble Health in NSW Australia?
Please recommend listening with headphones or speakers.😊
Would you be able to make a video on what hyperacusis sounds like? I believe I might have it, but not sure it is pulsatile tinnitus or hyperacusis.
This is a great suggestion for future topic!. Thanks!
Здравствуйте!Я с Украини!У меня раньше била гиперакузия в одном ухе,но не сильная,так чуть чуть,жить можна било,хотя я раньше и не знал что ето такое.А после вимивании пробки с етого уха начался сильний звон,и гиперакузия началась сильная,на все звкуи резкие ,громкие ,на цокот тарелок реагирует,что приходиться ладонью прикривать,начал переодически наушник надеватьс шумомаскировкой от тиннитуса,и от гиперакузии,звон очень сильний ,схожу с ума 5 месяцев,и никто и не поможет..Так как у нас сейчас война,в поликлиннику не могу попасть,могу не доехать.Как ви думаете,могла ли гиперакузия подтолкуть тиннитус после вимивании пробки,и сама гиперакузия усилиться,ответьте пожалуйста,и что мне делать😂
What is the book you recommend on Amazon?
Can the pain caused by hyperacusis permanently damage my ears?
The pain is likely due to an overused muscle in the middle ear that's getting activated due to the Hyperacusis causing your brain to perceive sounds as dangerously loud. It's a reflex everyone has, but doesn't usually get activated until really loud sounds (120db) happen. In Hyperacusis, it can happen many many many times a day at much lower volumes. The muscle gets tired due to overuse, and then it's painful. As with any overuse injury, rest can lead to healing. It's a tricky thing to balance, because you'll want to use hearing protection to allow this muscle some rest, but overprotecting will make Hyperacusis worse which then will trigger that muscle at lower volumes. The only hope is to slowly accustom yourself to sounds through gradual exposure. Meditation and CBT therapy can help you through this, but I don't believe there is permanent damage happening.
@@cheerbeerification Thanks for the info. Somewhere along the line I got a bit of Hyperacusis mixed in with my tinnitus, and it's been worse than the tinnitus (That I assume is) causing it. The tinnitus has lessened at points, but that's only ever with week(s) of next to no loud noise exposure.
Certain sounds also bother my ears a bit(Sounds that didn't before), like the low hum of most household electronics, or the weird static-like sound that you can probably hear in most videos recorded long ago; broken car breaks have been the worst offender in terms of high-pitched pain for me.
I've also had an MRI since writing that comment and nothing out of the ordinary had been seen. There was mention of some kind of mucus retention cyst, but that apparently wasn't anything note-worthy.
We need better treatment for this my god reading these comments ppl sound so helpless
What kind of noise did she use in her maskers?
We use white noise, pink noise, and brown noise for hyperacusis. Everyone is individual with what their ears respond to, so we experiment with all and use whatever is most effective.
Hola ojalá pusieran subtítulos a español gracias
Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately, right now we only pay for subtitles in English.
I've got a weird type of tinnitus ( a deep vibrating tone) and hypercusis. I was given sound therapy ( a white noise in my hearing aid) but due to the hypercusy it's unbearable. I don't know what to do anymore as I cannot bear sound therapy.
We are sorry you are going through this. We work with many patients who have tinnitus and hyperacusis and would be happy to help. Schedule a complimentary telehealth consultation: treble.health/schedule
Would you consider dysacusis and hyperacusis to be in the same category? I have dysacusis and not sure if these devices can assist?
Did you get rid of the dysacusis??? I have that and hyperacusis also. It’s been 8 months
It's been 4 years I have hyperacusis, it's still getting worse and worse... I always tried to go out with protection but some case cant be treated, I think it's important to mention this because my doctor told me to continue to go out but it was a bad advice. I'm right now trying to have a lot of silence for healing this but not sure if it would be better
The problem is that you are overprotecting with earplugs. A person without tinnitus and hearing loss can give themselves Hyperacusis by using earplugs 24-7. The brain compensates not being able to hear as well by turning the gain up. Hyperacusis will not heal with silence. Best thing to do is slowly expose yourself gradually louder and louder sounds. If you are dependent on earplugs, gradually reduce the npr until you can get through life without them. There are also earmuff ear protectors that have microphones and speakers that allow you to gradually turn up the volume. I used these with great success. I still have Hyperacusis, but I have completely weaned myself off of hearing protection and sound generators. It has taken years to get where I am at, but the only way I was able to get here was when I realized the behavior I was engaged in was making it worse. If you stay home all day and wear hearing protection when you are out, it'll just get worse and worse. The brain needs to hear those noises to normalize them.
@@Hew.Jarsol b
@@cheerbeerification Yes true. But I don't wear any plugs but certain sounds still hurt. Spoons tapping, kitchen noises, dishes, pots and pans, and even speaking and especially the the letter S wtf?
@@cheerbeerification hey I really liked your comment, can I ask what's your Hyperacusis level now?
@@cheerbeerification hey I really liked your comment, can I ask what's your Hyperacusis level now?
And for cases of pain hyperacusis that sound therapy does not work??.
Delayed pain that lasts days or weeks or months, burning etc.
Use warm water with cloth and put it in the ears for about 20 minutes and the pain will go away on their own
I’d love to listen but lowest volume will cause a spike . Severe hypercusis even eating is difficult. Do you have another way I can listen ?
Try putting it in another room so you can barely hear it in the distant. While listening, try to stay distracted by doing something you enjoy (even a word puzzle that keeps the minds busy). We'd be happy to discuss further with you to develop a treatment plan. Schedule a complimentary telehealth consultation: treble.health/consultation
Please note that being surgically made deaf and being deaf, does not help Hyperacusis. people who are deaf and have Hyperacusis, still get all the symptoms and pains
Your basing this off …?
Do you have a suggestion medicine to cure tinnitus ?
There is currently no scientifically-validated medication that improves or cures tinnitus. The company, Otonomy, has clinical trials underway to investigate improvement in tinnitus by injection (OTO-313).
I feel a lot of pain and get really nauseated from the lowest sounds sometimes like the air vent..most times loud noises such as speakers at a bar or a firecracker don't even trigger any pain. Do you think this could be Noxacusis please?. I also developed pulsatile tinnitus last year when the pain worsened and then developed Tinnitus about 2weeks ago. Any advice please Dr Ben?
I only feel all of these in one ear. It started mildly over 10yrs ago and I was able to manage until last year when I was exposed to a church bell for a 3month period. I live in the UK.
Hey Jide, you asked some good personalized questions here. My answer depends on more information that I do not yet know about your history. Feel free to contact our team at Treble Health and we can do our best to help you.
@@treblehealth Thanks..will do right away.
@@treblehealth Hello Doc, I set up the appointment but was canceled because I don't reside in the USA or Canada. Please can you help with a response here..thank you.
@@RainyDane There is nothing in the UK...
4 months in with Hyperacusis and T, and dont use ear plugs. Still got it.
What did the specialists tell you?
Will this treatment help with pain?
It could help with pain and bothersome symptoms. If the pain does not go away, make sure to consult with your primary care physician to rule out any other condition.
Where i can buy a masker?
Hi Edgar, feel free to contact our team at Treble Health and we can do our best to help you.
I'm a medical transcriptionist, i unfortunately changed the frequency of voice because sound was too noisy, 8 made it very thin voice, it hit the brain like a needle, the part of brain which understand the orders through voice. that part i think swollen or numbed. when I forced to listen everything going Up from my listening. it started hitting with every single sound, wall clock ticking, dishes, typing, kids noise, engine, everything. seen 5 ENT specialists, they ruined my sleep by giving anto.anxiety tabs, sleeping pills. they had no idea what is going on. then incidentally I ate dry fruit delicacy i felt better. then I ate it 1 month and felt much better.
Hi, what dry fruit delicacy did you eat?
@@celiainurrigarro578 He's lying.
How much time I have to listen to pink noise
The duration of sound therapy for tinnitus can vary depending on the individual and the severity of their tinnitus. Some people may find relief from tinnitus symptoms after just a few sessions of sound therapy, while others may need to continue the therapy for a longer period of time to achieve significant improvement.
The length of treatment can also depend on the type of sound therapy being used. For example, if a person is using a sound machine or white noise generator to help them sleep at night, they may continue to use the device as long as it remains helpful.
If you start to experience worsening of your tinnitus, try switching sounds. For instance, going from cricket sounds to pink noise. Hope this helps!
@@treblehealth how do I train my brain for hyperacusis cannot tolerate horn noise bell noise
Can I use jabra elite 75 t for hyperacusis
How can we reach out to you?
Hello Shayo, feel free to contact our team at Treble Health through the website and we can do our best to help you.
mine comes and goes…i hate it , cant even stand my own voice it distorts everything 😢
My voice sounds distorted when I talk also. It is so hard to get used to.
Do you have any hearing loss?
What was your audiogram like?
I have tinnitus in one ear and no answers does it mean something worse if it’s in only one ear?
Tinnitus in one ear is a symptom that always piques our interest, because there may be a reason why it is in one ear but not the other. It is not necessarily worse than tinnitus in both ears.
Where are you located?
Hey Maria, we are based in California. However, all of our services are telehealth and performed virtually via zoom video conference. Feel free to contact our team at Treble Health and we can do our best to help you.
Can accupunture help for hyperacusis
Anything that reduces inflammation can help - Cryotherapy too
Vogliamo un farmaco per l acufene
Im 19 and T and H came from long term noise exposure (always listening to loud volumes over headphones)
Are you sensitive to rain noise or even listening to human voice?
@@thegames1698yeah, me too
@@thegames1698 Yes even my own voice wtf
Same now you are ok?
Did y'all get better at all? This is messing me up