Blackout Defense DTL Explained. Dual Taper Lock
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- This is a quick look at the new barrel and barrel nut system from Blackout Defense. They managed to reduce harmonics up to 28%.
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This is the best AR in the market right now. The trigger is BUTTER, the receiver is so firm, the barrel is accurate as heck, every little bit of machining on this thing is just *chefs kiss*, I can't say anything bad about it. It also doesn't hurt that they look so damn good. When you consider how much innovation you're getting with this rifle, the price seems like a darn good deal. I love mine to bits.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Best AR on the market? This gun/brand is way too new to be making statements like that. My PWS, Knights Armament, POF and LMT beg to differ. Don't just drink the cool-aid as soon as somebody comes out with a couple new features. Yeah it might have less barrel harmonics that might translate to a tad more accuracy, maybe but at the end of the day it's another direct impingement AR15. Albeit a high end AR sure I'll agree to that and I'm sure it's really nice and possibly great but "THE BEST"?? Way too early to make those claims and have you bought and tried every single high end AR15 on the market?? I doubt it...Just because it has a few new features that nobody else has doesn't mean anything because there are a lot of brands that have nice features that the Blackout rifle doesn't have also. Like the enhanced bolt that Knights is known for. The heat sink barrel nut that POF has and also their E2 chamber and roller cam pin then PWS has a collar jam nut to attach the gas block that's awesome.. So you see I could go on and on and on about awesome features that companies have that other companies don't have. Anyways I've made my point, no offense and I'm glad you really like your rifle but it's hard to say any 1 brand out there is "The Best"..
Here is some background on Blackout Defense from their website in their own words...Aerospace and defense. That is where we started. A lot of shops say that, but few mean it. Boeing, Raytheon, Honeywell-these were our customers. AH-64 Apache, Bradley Infantry, ICBM Payload-these were our projects. We have not lost sight of our history, and in fact, continue some of these projects to this day. Yet when we turn our attention to our own design and engineering, we bring the same manufacturing acumen and meticulous quality that earned us success in that demanding industry.
These are the kind of products that emphasize the point that “military grade” really just means “substandard”.
Military grade provides what is needed for the job. Most of these fancy items are great but are tailored for 3 gun and other shooting competitions. It's also a matter of cost and what the soldiers get for the price I don't think a 28% reduction in barrel harmonics is worth the cost. I would say it is when talking about precision weapons but not for M4's and the M4's job.
@@keithmoore8777 Keith , have you ever found yourself behind the trigger wondering if innocent people surrounding your subject are going to be ok when you pull that trigger? We live in a crazy world my friend. You can’t make a mistake or lack gear advantage while on duty. This system with all added factors is still cheaper than the current Tier 1 military supplier of M4
Lowest price = military grade
@@David-xy5sd There are, sadly, many products below military grade.
Mill spec means the tolerances are within the military's determined specs for performance. Mill spec was determined by many years of R&D plus real world use. It does not mean inferior LOL..
That is some good looking machine work on those parts! I like how she explains the reasoning in every feature.
Great Report !
Thank You !
I have done my research on Blackout Defense and planning to get AR from them, the trigger is awesome. I've been looking for a boutique high quality Gucci AR and this is it.
Had their trigger. Can’t wait to get this
Very nice. I'll be shopping soon. This is on the list.
I have one of their Zero triggers and I absolutely love it.
I like them to show real testing data from a third party about their claims on this product.
i lov all of your content
Man, this would be cool if they combined this technology with a monolithic upper for further rigidity , and barrel that's threaded for a reflex suppressor.
Pretty nice, it's common sense really, but hats off to the people who initiated the innovation!
These guys seem to be aces! Really like there stuff!
Wow - I’m throughly impressed with the sales pitch and price seems very reasonable considering the innovations. Looking forward to a field test comparison showing the groupings of this barrel compared to another high end barrel. Otherwise it’s much to do about nothing.
This so far is my second best product announcement out of shot show! I am hoping they have a PCC barrel option!
I bet they will try to expand their product line as far as they can.
That was my initial thought. A real short 9mm barrel 3-4" and I'd buy it right now.
It looks interesting and it makes sense. I would love to see some reviews on it.
Always wondered why tapers weren't more common for mounting barrels after it's so common on machine tools.
Next level!👍
Sounds very good.
Hello. Is there an ETA on when this barrel will be available and if it will be in 300 blackout and what is the material of the barrel?? Thank you and thank you for your timely response. I hope your doing much better and glad to see your back!!
Looks like a great product that solves accuracy & heat problems that legacy MFG's have not thought about.
They have, look at the 1927 Thompson. They probably didn't know quite what they were doing with harmonics, but they at least knew about heat.
I really like that idea
That system looks very interesting.
That is pretty sweet!
That would be great for a PRS AR build.
Very cool
Faxon's 8.6 Blackout barrels!!
Really intriguing... I havent finished the video yet, but I am wondering what it will cost.
Proprietary = very expensive😬.
Seems people have caught on that they make quality stuff…I got a barrel early on from them…since then they have been sold out for months😮.
EXCELENT
Looks quality to me. Are we going to see some testing?
This would work about as well as just making a barrel that's super thick around the chamber. But someone should test one out anyway.
I checked out there Instagram page, they've put thousands of rounds through it and no issues. Their trigger is pretty awesome, planning to get AR from them.
@@firm1z yup their trigger looks amazing. Plan to get one of theirs and a FRT
@@ComeOnPelican91 getting a trigger for my new 308 AR pistol that I just picked up.
Why is my barrel getting stiff...
Srsly tho. Looks heavy. Prob effective as hell.
Will consider
Looks 👍
Until they get compatible with other handguards with less wasted space, provide a Cold Hammer Forged option I'll hold off on one of these.
While CHF does produce a stronger barrel, it’s not the end all/only option for an accurate and long lasting barrel
they covered the issue i was going to point out.
American innovation!!! 🇺🇸
That upper is RAD! That assembly was so easy! These are available in several calibers?
Hope they have a 20" 6.5 Grendel option, will be needing one soon.
I think you meant to say… The superior 6mm ARC 🤔
Although the 6mm ARC ( 6mm Advanced Rifle Cartridge) is a nice cartridge, from what little I've seen thus far it appears to be mostly used by those who consider themselves "Advanced" also. 😅
What calibers does this come in and what is the cost.
Niiiccceeee!
looks heavy af
Sounds amazing, not hear many products focus on barrel harmonics
This is a snake oil product. If you torque your barrel nut to the right specification, you're ok. Reducing harmonics is not an issue. Something touching the barrel CHANGES the harmonics causing POI shift. Thats the real problem and already solved by "free floating."
@@Murderface666 this is talking about harmonic vibration that happens after you shoot a round. The barrel vibrates whenever a bullet is shot out of it for some time. This system reduces the amplitude and duration of that vibration. This means faster stabilization of barrel harmonics for the follow up shots.
@@dk418 The science isn't science-ing, because recoil, not a vibrating barrel effect follow up shots. Like I said: snake oil product.
Thats gonna be a heavy boi
First thought.
Second thought: my mind can be a gutter at times...
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also agree.
Weight is subjective.
You will adapt.
Mind over matter.
When is this coming out?
I wanna see group comparison
What is that brake/comp on her upper?
It looks extremely heavy but also, is 416ss? Also how it the bore cut?
We added only 3.5oz to our standard line. My goal is to keep it under 26oz. Yes, it’s 416R - 5R button
Make one for the RRA Lar 8?
This is cool, but there are better options. I’m working on it.
I fire a full auto AR on the regular and have always noticed that the spread pattern is significantly smaller when I used a railed free float upper as compared to standard plastic hanguard upper. So my guess is this would really enhance full auto accuracy as well. Nice! 👍
Nobody I know uses an AR that is NOT free floated. If I get to know you, that number will change to 1 person I know.
Why no links to the products or the companies in the comments or the description?
I'd be curious how they tested that for the harmonics. Versus standard barrel profile. It definitely looks like it's very plausible.
We tested it with a 1.2 million frame per second PHANTOM ultrahigh-speed camera. We will release the video soon
@@thomasash1247 I figured it would be some type of laser sensing device of some kind. But great I'll be looking for the video sounds good.
A solution to a problem that doesnt actually exist.
Now we want a torture test to verify the claim
look. all that matters to me are results. Take it out and make a grouping vs a few other barrels and ill decide to buy or not buy.
Same reason why I went with cloud defense over surefire for flashlight choice better on paper and i could see the difference.
Shoot some rounds and let people decide. short and long range.
cloud defense ftw. rein 3.0 is killer.
Interesting concept. Innovative? Maybe, would like to see data to back the claims. Weight? All in all, a damn good idea. But all the meticulous detail must effect the overall price tag
Thank you. We will. Im working on releasing all the data including high speed camera. We have not fully released the product yet
Did she say that it would work with other mil spec parts, but its proprietary currently?
Yes 😂
1:22 "...will work with any milspec upper receiver, third party upper receiver but it is currently proprietary to our barrel."
Seems kind of heavy I guess if they made a version where you could pick the type of barrel you wanted maybe that would work betcha costs a couple of bucks. And how accurate do you need to be that's the real question.
True, but we’re also seeing people push the distance envelope with ARs more and more due to newer/more efficient calibers
Thank you Brooke for giving clear presentation without wearing a mask. Seems like an interesting product and curious to see how would perform out on range compared to a standard barrel.
smart
Any information on release date?
6-7 weeks. Thank you
I really hope that dual barrel nut setup is aluminum. That'd be a massive weight increase if it's steel...
Yes. It is aluminum 7075
Is it cryo-treated?
Yes sir. All done in house
IDK. Looks good to me.
No mention of compatible hand guards???
Proprietary items. With how the world is if it's not modular to everyone else it wont sell nearly as much. Cool idea but unless its picked up by a big influence it wont be around long. Remember cobalt kinetics
Already started.
How many channels does this guy have geez lol
Msrp?
This video seemed more of an infomercial but good content. Blackout defense seems to be making some top notch stuff.
I seen it as a way to get that specific part into the market via information. From the manufacturer of said product spokesperson. This is the reason shot show exists. Everything there is an "infomercial" that's the point. New products and designs implemented for us the consumer. I commended him for keeping this segment of video as such. These are new products. You're not gonna get a 1k rnd review from them
Yea, kinda the point of shot show.
First SHOT Show video you ever seen?
@@chatnasty ROFL, I'm 💀
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What a gorgeous lady with clear speech and explanation. I did not like your previous video when the man was talking (mumbling) through his face mask 😀
But when will this system be available?
6-7 weeks. Thanks Mark
Cool concept, but it definitely looks heavy.
We only added 3.5oz to our barrel. Total weight will be determined soon but I’m thinking keeping it under 26oz
@@thomasash1247 oh wow, that's not bad, it looks heavier. Thanks for the reply.
What's the weight of this new barrel?
I'm sure with that massive barrel nut and overall profile, it's probs pretty weighty
If you have to ask, you can't lift it, lol.
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It’s a good idea but you can install a 18” Bartlein 5.56 in any upper and it’ll shoot .5 MOA with Sierra/Berger bullets. The actual solution for accuracy is generally just the barrel.
Thank you. Accuracy is one of the benefits of this system. Very small group of people are willing to carry a 18 inch rifle for duty work these days. Blackout is a duty driven manufacture vs bench shooting.
That requires a match barrel with repeatable harmonics and good bullets. People are stuck in thinking a free floating barrel that whips all over the place unimpeded is the best solution for accuracy as long as what whipping is relatively consistent and predictable. It's not. While the claims of this barrel and mounting system need to be tested, properly reducing harmonics, barrel whip and controlling it further, if not deadening harmonics, will result in greater repeatable precision. It also has the potential reduce recoil and heat.
their 13.9 inch barrels can shoot a .5-.8 moa
I wonder how much weight it adds. Any accuracy guarantee?
Added about 3.5oz. My goal is to keep the barrel around 26oz - Sub MOA
Its aluminum, not steel. And you can't put a accuracy guarantee on an overbuilt barrel nut.
@@Murderface666sure you can or at least a spec on observed accuracy increase through testing. It's still more material than a typical aluminum barrel nut so it will add some weight.
@@XDWX free floating a barrel already addresses the harmonics issue, which is why people when they buy a stock Remington 700, they get a better chassis, because the stock chassis flexes and touches the barrel when loaded causing INCONSISTENT harmonics. As long as nothing else is touching the barrel and its torqued down right, harmonics is not an issue to a freefloated barrel.
@@Murderface666 so you are saying this wont affect accuracy? Isn't the whole point of this product to improve accuracy?
Super. For the price of another AR, I can reduce my groups by 1/4 MOA. Can't wait to try it out.
Yes, precision is expensive and niche, this is nothing new. If you don't have a use for it, don't buy it!
Some people buy a good quality $350 AR, others build one for less. Then there are even some high spenders pushing past the $500 mark, and others yet spending more than some people's rifle on just some carbon fiber bits, or sometimes several thousand dollars on just a carbon fiber barrel. Price segments, this won't be a poverty pony, but it probably won't top the charts either.
Granted I don't see why anyone would be using .223 for accuracy when things like .224 Valkyrie or 6.5 Grendel exist. So probably be more popular in those calibers eventually.
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How much weight does that add to the front of the gun ?
The added weight is around the center of gravity of the rifle near the pivot point.
@@thomasash1247 It is weight forward of the trigger . It is also in front of the mag well . How much did it add over mil-spec ?
@@slice1208 I see. Yes, It is in front of the trigger. It only adds 3.5oz to the barrel and 5oz to the full blackout defense rifle. Our rifles with DTL barrel is 6.9-7.0lbs
@@thomasash1247 an ar bearral weights 1 pound 8 once a standard castle nut adds a few more ounces . How much dose you double nut system and think barrel weigh ? Not how much dose your gun weigh .
Cool, but hopefully it's lightweight and get rid of the chrome!! people dont like chrome anymore lol
This is not a chrome barrel. We black nitride all of our barrels. Barrel in the video was for show and tell only.
I’m impressed to see a beautiful lady passionate about making guns more effective
Where is walthers PPS M3 10+1??? Dang maybe they will never make it
I'm so disappointed in Walther for not doing anything to catch up with the new micro compacts. I had to put my PPS away and start carrying the 43x with 15 round shield arms mags. As soon as Walther delivers I will switch back but it seems they only care about competition stuff these days.
@@XDWX I know how you feel. I've been waiting a long time now. I carry Walther PPQ in winter and PPS M2 all other times of year. I'm in Vegas so won't be too long before it's warm again. I'm now considering the sig 365 as it's been around awhile and getting tired of waiting. I bet as soon as I buy the sig, walther will roll it out. How do you like the 43x? Is it easy to conceal in warm weather?
@@philh1826 I am in AZ so its definitely warm. I carry it everywhere every day under pretty much just a T shirt. I carry it in a Vedder kydex holster at appendix position. I switch all my holsters over to using an Ulticlip. It just clips directly to your waistband of whatever you are wearing. I carry it in jeans, sweatpants, juijitsu pants, shorts, etc.
I'm a strong guy but this looks like a pretty heavy system with the large dual barrel nuts and the really heavy barrel profile.. Might be better suited for a more precision set up and not a lightweight fighting rifle setup.
28 percent reduction in barrel harmonics? Well ya, look at the fucking thing... looks like a great bench shooter.
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Neat idea... looks quite heavy. It's pretty well known that heavy barrels have better harmonics vs thin barrels so... Making a heavy barrel heavier with an extra chonky double barrel nut and saying it reduces harmonics is kind of a "well duh" moment. The whole "our grooves eliminates deflection caused by heat" seems dubious as well. The proof will be in a head to head with other traditional high quality barrels.
Thermal expansion grooves or heat expansion cuts on the OD of high speed bearings are effective way of interrupting bearing growth. That design helped us to improve barrel thermal growth in many variations. It’s minor but still there (I copied this from my other post). Respond to yours Brad: we only added 3.5oz and goal is to keep the barrel under 26oz.
I wouldnt say heavy barrels have better harmonics, they have different harmonics. For someone hand loading for extreme accuracy at a given distance a thinner longer barrel with "worse" harmonics is actually better because the frequency of barrel vibrations will be lower giving you a larger sweet spot in the cycle. If you can time the bullet leaving the barrel on the upsweep you will end up with a lot better vertical dispersion at distance inspite of muzzle velocity
Accuracy guarantee?
Yes. It’s sub
So many fudd engineers making comments! 😂
If you all know so much, why aren’t you turning out barrels and at show presenting! Sometimes the 2A community’s worst enemy is itself
So true! Thank you
60 deg taper will not align. It's a tight wedge. Any machinist knows that. You need 10deg or less to aline for parallel.
That is incorrect buddy. 60 degree is the start of the taper but lands on 18.5 degrees for alignment. Please take a look at CAT40 print and the retention knob taper. Both are 60 degree to 18.26 degree taper.
Understand the engineering but I don't like the proprietary handguard part
Thank you. I understand
I’m not sure that’s how thermal expansion works
Thermal expansion grooves or heat expansion cuts on the OD of high speed bearings are effective way of interrupting bearing growth. That design helped us to improve barrel thermal growth in many variations. It’s minor but still there
Thankfully we don't have the immature lunatics that like to write "1st" on the comment section.
2nd
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OMG shalom! The Red Sea pedestrians only make up 2% of population but 90% of sales of these
How is she not married??? Lol
I don’t believe the groves on the barrel do that! Gravity always pulls down so a hot barrel, no mater what, will always lean down!
More stuff no one needs
did you see how easily she slipped that barrel in the receiver? Ya, no.
That's what the conical section is for, is to align and center the barrel. If you over-constrain the dimensions or have inadequate tolerances then the system becomes less effective. You're probably needs to align and index off the old region to center, but its no longer the case with it now centering primarily off that chamfer.
@@jakegarrett8109 you are absolutely correct! Smart man. Please keep in touch