Yes, It's a .308 AK: Zastava M77/Z77 .308 AK-47 [SHOT Show 2022]
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Zastava has gone from being merely imported to the US by third parties to importing their own AKs and taking the market over. Today on TFBTV, James Reeves is at Zastava's booth at SHOT Show to check out their new Z77 or M77 rifle, a .308 AK-47 made in Serbia. It's possible for Zastava to import these rifles, however, the logistics of doing so are difficult, so it's unclear that it will happen, but it is possible. Anyways, check out how sweet this gun is.
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Holy moly, a M77, if they bring it in I'm gonna buy that in a heartbeat.
Zastava imported some back in like 2014 but they haven't imported any since. I hope they bring it back.
@@pepelepew8147 it will probably have a yugo mount on the left side like the m90 does.
@@tobytowsley5260 Yes, I remember, they had thumbhole stocks, and they used to cost under $700.
Would sell a kidney to buy
Can still find Molot vepr in 308 but the m77 just looks soooo good with the standard furniture
I love how James won't let go of the gun in the beginning. lol He's like "I am lawyer, I know possession is 9/10th of the law." That is a sweet gun, can't wait to touch it in person myself.
They keep holding the rifle together whole time! I can't decide if that is cute, suspicious or just plain weird
It's a bad idea to tease a bear like that. This needs to happen ASAP.
For those who missed the boat on .308 VEPRs, especially the FM series, this could be a great entry point into battle rifles for them.
Zastava keeps taking my money 😡😍
I think it would generate a lot of interest. Especially if you can bring in a large supply of magazines - including low-capacity mags (like 5 rounders) for hunting in some jurisdictions. I love AKs and already have a .308 (like many American shooters). But there's nothing on the market that I know of that's like this.
Galil ACE 308, but its more of an evolved design
I have an ancient Mitchell Arms Import M77. Dropped more feral hogs than I can count. Can take out several very quickly before the heard scatters.
Or, a kit that accepts sr25 pattern mags..
Just remembered. M-14 mags are easily converted for use in an M77. There are vids on YT that cover the conversion. Mine work just as well as my one and only Zastava factory magazine.
CSS specs made 20rd metal mags for the M77.
.308 has and will remain popular, and common in the US, well into the future. Don’t let the newest Gucci internet caliber blind you from this fact.
Takes deep breath
“But my 6.5 demon killer round that shoots sub moa at 5 miles is cooler and that makes me cooler because I wanna be a SF guy but never even served.”
@@ONEROUNDLEFT2 months later....
THIS IS BS!!! They stopped making my wonder round.
@@pickeljarsforhillary102 to be fair, 6.5 CM has been around for 15 years and is lower recoiling and far more forgiving at range from a BC perspective. For what most people hunt, it is more than sufficient. Ammunition is generally affordable (as much as anything is these days) and readily available (again, compared to everything else).
Do I think the pros of 6.5 CM matter for 99% of people compared to 308? Not at all. But it is important not to dismiss all newer cartridges, particularly the small number that gain very good traction. There is a happy medium.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 Thanks for the sales pitch.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 I have and like both 6.5 and .308. They're both great rounds and have a purpose. Funny enough, 6.5 has been my go to hunting round the past few years. Love it and it does an outstanding job. Keeping my 308's too. It's good to have options.
Definitely want this along with like 30 other ak variants
Right? Lmao. Once you get into AK's you start to want every variant from every country thats ever produced them.
Full disclosure, I can't really afford a new rifle right away, and I'm not even an AK guy, but a .308 AK for the right price would be pretty cool.
Would absolutely love a M77 from Zastava, there's no other .308 AK pattern gun in current production to my knowledge.
Please bring this to the market!!! Hopefully Zastava can keep the price down. If they price it like their M91 it’s not going to sell well. If they keep the price point closer to the ZPAP M70 then it’ll sell really well.
If they bring it at a lower pricepoint of other battle rifle options, itll do well. As long as the price does not exceed what you can get a DSA FAL or an M1A for I think it will be a huge success.
I predict if it does come to market. It will land in the middle. From least expensive to most
AR10 (depending), PTR91, M77, Springfield M1A, DSA FAL, Bula M1A in that order. 1400 is the number to shoot for.
Zasto uporedjujes zastavu AK sa drugim smesnim puskama@@USA_djhiggi77
It all depends on pricing, but that looks sweet.
The one that had the thumb hole stock was like 8 or 900 bucks like maybe 6 years ago
If it will be competitively priced like other Zastava rifles then it will be the death knell for DSA FAL rifles.
@@TheNocturnalEvil no people who want a Fal will still buy a fal they are nit going to buy this instead however hopefully it will lead to 7.62x51 ammo price going down
$1300
They recently brought in the 8mm Mauser version for $3k and currently have the 7.62x54r version for $3.5k so let's take a logical shot in the dark on what the price of the same rifle chambered in .308 will be...
I'm glad to see Zastava bringing back their 308 AKs...
Own of my best friends bought one of these before the dry up on the AK market. Amazing rifle. The only negative was magazine availability. I bought him a mag for Christmas and it was 80 bucks...
He made a couple smart purchases before the scare. He bought a PSL with the polymer stock for 800 bucks. He picked up a m90 with the AR magwell adapter after plinking with my m85. He only paid 650 for the m90. He also snagged up 3 different nagant revolvers when they were 100 bucks a piece...
The good ol' days... now those are either outrageously expensive or nearly impossible to find in stock :(
think these will come here?
I actually already have this gun. M77 with magpul folder works just fine. Good gun.
Gotta find me a woman who looks at me the way James looks at Renko.
Looks great. Probably be $1000 more than I could afford.
Dont be a bum
think they could get a basic model to $800-900?
That’s like 1-2 weekends of extra work. You deserve it!
@@GunsAndGrenache not even close
I admit I am a poor I'll spend more on optics than I will on a rifle most of the time though so it's cool as this is it's probably a no-go for me
I would be excited for this if it came here. I’ve always wanted a m77. Glad they ditched the thumb hole stock.
James did a good job interviewing the Zastava rep.
I owned an M77 a few years ago. It was pretty sweet. I swapped out the furniture on it and got mags from CS Specs. I have a video or two on it on my channel. The factory mags that came with it were awful. It shot well and had an adjustable ring on the gas block tube which was a nice feature.
how do you think it compared to an AR10 overall ?
@@blitzkrieg2003 I'd say the recoil is very similar. Cost wise back then the prices of he two rifles were about the same. After upgrading the furniture and buying new mags I had around $1000 in it. It was completely reliable though and could definitely take a beating.
@@blitzkrieg2003 the AR10 as a package is easier to configure and setup due to modern aftermarket support.
This is a com block weapon that isn't modernized. Can't really be compared honestly. It's a cool weapon, but can't compete with an AR10.
I sold my M77 and got into an AR10. No contest on which is the easier rifle to run at distance.
However the M77 was fairly lightweight and was just cool. No denying that.
Yes, absolutely yes! I've been wanting a 308 ak but there's not a whole lot on the market. I'm getting this the second it comes out.
do you think it's comig soon? And where do we find out about it? I'm worried they won't get past import laws
It’s on the market now classic firearms has some and alantic
Oh lawd, I asked zastava on Reddit when we’ll get the M77’s again and they told me just to wait. I’ve bought the Zpap M70 and M90 from Zastava USA. Also Npap-DF, M72B1, M59/66, M48, M24/47, and M57. I think I have to buy this now
You missed M91
@@zelenizub2036 Eh my Zastava love does have a financial limit. I’m not spending $3k to do the exact same thing as my $600 PSL
Beautiful. Zastava makes great rifles. 👍 can't wait to see the reviews
The first run of M77s were priced around $600 or less. It took people a while to catch on to those guns and the price came up a little. They were still as cheap or cheaper than their M70 counterparts.
I'd love to see this come in at a good price with a good rail attachment method using their new side mount rails.
I sold my M77 for well more than I paid for it because I became frustrated by the lack of accuracy at range due to the amount of flex in the scope mounting system.
I could average better MOA groups at 100 using open sights than I could, at 300 using a scope because of the incompatibility of mounting parts for a scope. If they can fix this issue, and somehow mitigate the wicked cheek slap 😁 I'd buy another one to represent my Serbian heritage. Zastava, I hope you're listening, živeli!
That M77 looks awesome. Those bolt guns on the wall also look sweet. I'd definately buy a left handed Mauser action!
They have made superb bolt-actions for many, many years; I've never seen one in the U.S.A. before. Comparable to CZ's Mausers.
Got this about 5 years ago when Century brought them in. It's super nice. Cost $550 with the thumbhole stock. Bet they charge $1500 now.
That’s how inflation works.
Let’s go Brandon.
@@tmartin3151 supply vs demand not so much inflation.
Ive been offered 2700 for my wood m77 so 1500 imo would be a steal.
@@tmartin3151 Inflation accounts for +2% every year....that would be an increase of only about +18% over the past decade. NO GUNS ARE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE ANY 80s-90s SEMI AUTO RIFLE IS NOW $1,500+ USED AND NEW RIFLES ARE PRICED ACCORDINGLY (STOP PANIC BUYING)
It’s gunna be way more than $1,500 my friend.
Add a railed dust cover for the optics and it will be a much easier sell :)
Railed dust cover for AK is not good thing for scope mounting.
I initially agreed but after thinking some more, that would be an extra cost that not everyone would want. It would need to be like the TWS or zenitco where it is actually anchored to the rifle, but if you had an actual scope up top you likely wouldn't be able to open it all the way and risk damaging your glass.
They sell a scope mount with pic rail just for their yugo aks. It's been way better than my ak master mount in my experience.
Look at the AK 105, 112, and all the rest modern stuff, where the dust cover has rails and is not removable, but attached to the rest of the rifle
Yes! We need more 308 AKs. I don't think selling an AK in a more popular caliber for the target market is all that risky.
Yes we want it!!! I bought 2 with the thumbhole stock and have 2 original Mitchell Arms M77/90! Great guns. The only achilles’ heel was the lack of magazines until CSSPECS started making them!
The Csspecs mags are indeed of better quality than the original Zastava magazines.
Is that the company making them on these fresh imports?
I hope it comes to market with optic mount on left side of receiver, and right side folding stock.
18 inch 308, would be a graight Life, Liberty & happiness gun
The old ones came with the optic attachment that slides on the left side of the reciever, it would HAVE to go that way, otherwise I'm not sure it would eject any casings.
I love my Vepr 308. I don’t see why this wouldn’t do well here.
Hopefully they do well this go around. The old ugly ones were dirt cheap ($600) but people passed on them wanting the 54R model. That was understandable given how cheap that ammo was at the time but that's definitely not the case anymore.
I have one of the previously imported m77s, and it is by far my favorite rifle.
Same here held it tight for about 8 years now. Love it
That is quite slick. One thing I think would be cool is a Zastava in 6.5 grendel. It would pair so well with my M-70. Plus Wolf makes steal case 6.5, and I'm not really aware of anyone making 6.5 AKs.
Yeah well no more wolf ammo after this year so there’s that. Too much of an oddball round and expensive too
M19 MODULAR RIFLE ZASTAVA 7,62,39 6,5GRENDEL OOOSSSAAMMMM
If they made it with m76 furniture and 24 inch barrel (tabuk style) in 6.5 grendel i would get one sub $2k.
I've been screeching off for years about getting a 6.5 grendel AK47 imported for years ,or even built domestically. I have yet to see any company actually take the initiative to do so. A 6.5 grendel AK would be a game changing variant and we want it right now LOL. Or at least give us 6.5 grendel barrels for us builder to work with.
Zastava AKs in 6.5 exist, however they aren't even good on the testing grounds and knowing serbian army and how it's utalized for political propaganda, you won't be seeing that in another 10 years.
I bought one with the thumbhole stock years ago when they were $399. Changed to Fab Defense GL Shock stock, added an ALG trigger, TWS railed dust cover, an SJC Titan Extreme w flash guard, and a lot of mags from Csspecs. Still my favorite rifle.
I’ve been wanting an M77 and M76 forever, please bring this out
Would love to have a reasonably priced 308 ak.
This is a no brainer adjustable gas block 18inch barrel folding stock 🔥🔥
If Zastava brings it to market, definitely grabbing one.
I missed out when they were being imported a while back. I've been kicking myself ever since. I really hope Zastava brings this to the US.
- Zastava needs to get something up on their website so people can sign up for updates on the M77.
From reading another comment, they're on Reddit.
Love my M77. Hope they bring them back. I paid $400 for mine in 2015.
There was a time those weren't selling all that well. I remember I got mine for between 4 and 450 or so. You gotta remember back then AK parts kits were selling for 200 bucks, sometimes less.
I'm interested in this since the market has been lacking .308 AKs for a while now.
Seen an older one pop up on armslist in my area the other day and was too late to snag it. Really hope they start importing these again.
@@CZcamssucks.. It was at $1,400 obo if I'm not mistaken. Claimed it was unfired in original box
Been dreaming of a VEPR .308 but theyve been pretty much impossible to find at a reasonable price. This might fill that void.
Definitely count me in if they bring it to the states. Best of both worlds reliable and a true battle rifle.
M77 looks cool and id also think an M21 build of the M90 would be great
308? Love it
If it's priced similar to M70 and M90 offerings, I'd see myself buying one. Especially if it has the accuracy potential to fill a Pseudo-DMR role.
Accuracy will highly depend on the ability to mount a scope in a solid manner. I sold my M77 and got into an AR10 for this very reason. First day out in the AR10, I was at 1.5 MOA with ball ammo.
With the M77 I was 4-6 MOA because of scope mount issues. After many range trips and no success, I had to really evaluate my need for the rifle. I liked it for other reasons, but not enough to fight with it if I couldn't get hits on target.
The AR10 solves that problem for me. Not to mention the fact that you can set them up in a dozen different configurations because of the aftermarket. Became a no brainer.
The base variant with wooden furniture costs 899€ in Europe. This variant with Zhukov stock will probably cost around $1300 which is okay for a .308 rifle.
Everyone is going to want one. Best rifle ever.
Zastava needs to bring this to the commercial market!
I already have an m90 on my list, but adding a m77 is definitely going to happen
I’ve always wanted an M77 - glad to see we might get a new option for it.
That's great. Will buy one if magazines are available and reasonably price.
Promag makes magazines for it. At least they did a few years ago
Csspecs makes fantastic mags for them in various capacities.
@@tballstaedt7807 promags are junk
@@blackrat1228 This. I have an M77 and the CSSpecs mags are the way to go. They're not cheap but they work without issue and are well built.
Saving up! Honestly, I've been after a DSA FAL, but this looks even better! Knowing Zastava they'll actually produce it with excellent QC and make it available!
Finally seen one at my local gun store. Been wanting one forever so next week if it’s still there I’m taking it home !
Definitely depends on pricing (needs to be affordable). But yes, very interested. Hopefully it takes vepr 308 mags.
Mitchell m90 mags fit but ive never had luck with vepr mags running in mine
It won't be under $1000. I'm thinking 15-1700 on the low end and 2k on the high end.
@@POPJack1717 they weren’t that cheap when they were originally imported. Hell used ones start out at 1400.
@@k24civic They were being sold for under $600. I bought one for $570. Sold it later for $900 when I was tired of fighting the side mount rail for score accuracy.
Also the M77 magazines from Csspecs work well. Factory mags were difficult to find at best.
I love the look of this thing. Definitely a gun that'd go on my shortlist if it came to the US.
Okay now we are talking about something I want to buy. Throw a heavy rpk barrel and a indexed bipod and we are cooking with fire.
Yes, bring it here. Just do it.
Yes please. Always wanted one of these in the correct configuration
Outstanding! Now...let's talk about bringing in an M-76...It can be in something other than 8mm Mauser, but damn...I want one that isn't a part's gun and the Mitchell's guns are just through the roof expensive.
The M77 was intended to exactly what you are talking about. M76.... M77 make sense?
They also already import the M-91 as well which is a modernized M-76 in 7.62x54R.
@@tballstaedt7807 I've owned both in the past...the M-77 is *not* an M-76 or even close to it. Different type of receivers, different furniture, and different muzzle devices to name three things that stand out immediately.
@@winkleried The M-91 is a stamped receiver, the M-76 is milled. Among other differences.
@@kfeltenberger I own and shoot both the M-76 and M-91. I am more aware than most of the differences between the two, even the differences that have never been shown on a single video out there. If ya want an M-76 you are going to have to hit the secondary market.
The other thing everyone wants from Zastava is a modern double stack pistol (hell, it can even be a 1911) in 7.62 x 25 Tokarev.
M57 is superior. But double stack all the way.
Canada does import chinese p226 clones in 7.62x25.
Norinco has one. Unfortunately it is Norinko , if you are in the US.
We just need a US manufacturer making 7.62x25 that’s not super expensive
Zastava does make a modern pistol in but they don't sell them here. They do in Canada for some reason. Since 9mm comes from the same parent case, they would just have to swap the barrel.
@@meemm4sta_dood259 yeah exactly. All I want for Christmas is for Zastava to make a CZ-75 clone chambered 7.62x25 Tokarev
Nice Very Nice...
AK in 308 , Yes Sir....
I have an import M77 and I absolutely love it. Ive actually used it for hunting.
I absolutely don’t not need another .308 rifle. But I absolutely need this .308 in AK platform
Another Zastava to add to the collection ❤️🔥
Tell zastava to bring some underfolder and m21s too
I would love to have one! But I'm not spending $2000 on an ak in any caliber...ever...never.
I wouldn't spend 2000$ on any rifle honestly unless it was a collector gun from ww1 or ww2 . I build my own for a fraction of the insanity their asking. 1000+ for an AK is getting ridiculous. I can still build them for less than 500 when I really try hard . Then add all your fun stuff like zenitco or kpyk .
@@luciankristov6436 back when I was building aks the kits were $150. The relievers were $50.
Finally something from the shot show that isn't a re-re-re-re-reinvented AR clone, bring that baby in with a crap-ton of 20 round mags!
Yes! Please! Bring it back.
I must have one…..the sooner, the better!
Oh I want it! Just got the Zpap92 and I want the M77!!!
LISTEN TO US!!!! WE WANT IT! AND WE WANT IT NOW!!! Just PLEASE keep it reasonably priced ❤️❤️❤️
I personally would love to see the M77 imported!
I got my m77 around 9-10 years ago for $419 love it
Zas is awesome. My favorite for sure just dont like the safety configuration that USA forced on imports. Been trying to get the original m88 slide.
I'm very interested. I'm in the market for a 308 and there seems to be a lack of options that check all the boxes. If this thing gets imported, and it's actually obtainable, and it's not outrageously expensive like the scar, you might just have yourself a customer.
Available now for about $1400 shipped.
Omg i dont think zastava realizes how awesome that m77 is, especially if its around 1k
I would buy one tomorrow! Gorgeous gun! I love my M70 and M90. Great shooting rifles!
I used to have one of these with the thumbhole stock. I never should have sold that gun but I fell on hard times. Definitely would buy it again if they brought it in.
I WANT IT SO BAD!
I’ll buy, make it bro!!
The .308 pistol made into a SBR is going to be crazy
Holy fireball!
.308 pistol with brace
Jesus Christ
I like that 308 AK. Let’s just hope Zastava decides to bring them into the USA market
Awesome. The 308 is a great round... much heavier than a 223 and capable of hunting elk as well as self defense.
How much does it weigh?
Where ak50
Will they have one with wood furniture?
Huge Zastava fan, but I’m not really sure of the popularity or use cases for .308 AKs. Since I want more Zastavas, I’d think they’d have more success building an Alpha AK / Zenitco-y type tacticool build than a .308. Whatever they choose- best of luck!
I see this as a replacement for the PSL and the Norinco SVD. Both of those are getting really hard to find and are extremely expensive. The PSL also is really hit or miss with it's quality. I know multiple people that can only get 5 MOA out of their PSL, but AKOU got about 2 or 3 I think? Either way, this is pretty cool and I would consider kitting it out to look like a SVD while also not costing in the 10 thousands lol
@@riley6475 that’s actually a great idea! Maybe they SHOULD put a thumb hole stock on it lol
With steel case x39 about to start drying and a limited number of brass/ western x39 options available you will start to see alot more westernized ak's appear.
@@riley6475 I agree, especially because of how much a PSL costs to only shoot 7.62x54r, which I've never seen in any offering besides steel cased surplus ammo. This rifle would be an excellent alternative.
@@Jon871000 I don't really think there is gonna be a x39 shortage, the price is even down to where it was before the ban, I think it's gonna go up to about 40 to 50 cents per round, which is still cheaper than 99% of 308 ammo. Though I do totally see where you are coming from, I just think this is going for a different niche
Yes, definitely interested. Would love a 16 inch barrel and a modern hand guard tho.
HELL YES, I WANT IT.
Even more of there's a wood furniture version.
I'd love to see this in SVD/PSL-style furniture.
All I have to say is,"you have my attention sir."
Zastava is killing it! This company gets the US market. Oh and M77? Yes please!
Who would not want an M77? Great rifle.
This needs to be brought in asap!
Every Zastava rifle rocks!
Yes we need the m77 . Bring that right now !!!!
Definitely want it. I don’t even really like .308 but I do love me some Aks, especially Zastava. Make as many calibers as possible! Nice sized void in Ak market that is taking forever to fill. Love all Aks
If zastava doesnt put these out i’m going to lose my fucking shit. I need one!!
Dude yes bring them in!!! offer wood furniture version. We want M76s and M70AB2s!!! Zastava we love you...
I'll take one perfect addition to my .308 bolt gun