Which Concept2 Machine Should You Buy?!
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- čas přidán 28. 10. 2019
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Separating out the specific parts and tools for each of the seven step assembly process steps was brilliant on the part of the manufacturer. For the price, I am impressed at how sturdy this czcams.com/users/postUgkxvObaTzoHoHQLL4lHbJQmExHqsrZQm-f7 unit is and it does go together easily. Well, I was puzzled at first at Step 5 and maybe the instructions should mention that rail #62 needs to be tilted upwards a little to get the rail to fit into the main part #44. I like it that the rower can be stored vertically in a really small amount of space, but be forewarned that this rower is top heavy and for safety you'll need at least two bungee cords to keep the unit upright, attaching them to something; in my case to a third garage door. I have had this unit only a short time, and I will post an update once I've had it for a year. As for working your legs, I have to admit that I'm mainly rowing for upper body strength and I use other forms of exercise for leg strength (like walking fast, biking, or using a trampoline. But if you pull as far forward as possible, then you can give preference to your legs for the first 4 feet or so of travel. I also admit to not taking the two electronic connectors apart at Step 7. I simply inserted the two batteries while the other parts remained connected. By the way, there is plenty of resistance here, even in the lowest resistance settings. Kudos to Sunny Health & Fitness !
Everybody gangsta till you row a 2000m all out.
Friend of mine was going to break my (old) 500m record while visiting. Well... he didn't. He puked and needed sugar and we had to hold up his legs. Let alone a 2k flat out! Doing great on the rower requires strong legs, loungs & mindset :-D!
@@jonathanbelliot509 I'd say the mindset is THE most important part. Whether you are as strong as Dark Horse or a beginner....an "all out" effort is an all out effort. Tell your friend to try again! :-)
Right?! So true.
As a cyclist, I'm always hunched forward; on the rower, I get to lean back. The Concept 2 rower is the most elegant piece of gym kit I have ever seen, and it's almost as beautiful as a bicycle.
I too am a cyclist but i also experience the 4 seasons, i am torn between getting a Turbo Trainer(I have a Carbon bicycle) or a rowing machine, for the winter months. They both compliment each other and thus I'm leaning toward the latter. 😊
@@dcmsr5141 Get a Concept 2 rowing machine. You won't regret it.
Preach!
Watched this while on the bike erg this morning. I have both the rower and bike. As mush as I love rowing, getting on the bike is just easier sometimes. I use the time on the bike to catch up on youtube videos like these!
I use the Rower because it's low impact on my sixty year old joints, I love the form, I just put my music on and drift off, great for post cardiac events, it changed my life. Awesome bit of kit 😊👍
Something to consider from the perspective from someone either past the age of 30 or maybe has injuries to consider. I own the rower, the Echo bike, and the ski erg. I love incorporating them into circuit training or metcons together. However, In my opinion, none of these devices is designed to be used for long periods without interruption. My rower would kill my back, the ski erg would kill my shoulders, and the echo bike would just kill me in general. Interval training yes, using for 45 minutes non-stop, no. If you only have money for one and you want to be able to ride something for really long periods of time or zone out watching netflix, the Bike erg is the way to go (ironic, since that's the only one I don't own). I have a Wahoo Kickr snap that I use with zwift and my actual bike for indoor riding. They are all great machines tho, you will not lose on a concept 2 piece of equipment.
I started doing the same thing this season. Last year I bought a concept 2 and I use that alongside the bike I have in my garage that I keep on the trainer. I also use another bike on a set of rollers just to add variety so I don’t become bored out of my skull trying to sit on the bike for three hours.
i feel exactly the same. i love my rower but i love sitting on my ergbike and just do some mindless sweat intensive training. the combination of the rower and the bike is pure joy. i normally begin with a warm up on the bike, then switch to my rower and for the finish back to the bike. only rowing is hard so the ergbike makes my training simply more enjoyable.
I use all 3 at the gym, and a must have is a spin bike. Best cardio and I don't know why you think its about sitting. Stand up and work it. You can do a lot with it, superb cardio, but it's not super great for core. The rowing machine, great as well, but your feet are tied down. I think the skierg is way under-appreciated. Very importantly, this is the one machine you are actually working from a self-supported standing position. That means your whole body is involved! This is invaluable! That fact seems to be overlooked so often. Great for leg conditioning, quads, calves, ankles and balance. You can use this to focus on arms during the pull down, or you can focus on the abdominal crunch. Every movement back up works your quads. You can do this as almost all quads. You can do this balancing on one leg. You can alternate pulling one leg up during the crunch. After I used the skierg for about a couple of weeks I had a much stronger back, abs, and more a flexible spine, and there was a cardio benefit. I do a lot of mountaineering backpacking...the skierg is a very similar movement to climbing while using hiking poles. On my last trip my brother asked why I could climb so fast...I told him the skierg (plus the spin bike).
Rower for me! I can only have one in my space, and need the full body and aerobic work. I’ll be continuing with some dumbbell-based weight work, so I’ll balance the upper body with that. I received my invitation from Concept2 this morning, and placed my order within the hour. I’m hopeful of kicking off 2021 with some new fitness work. Thank you for the great info!
Skierg + kettlebell swings will work the entire body. Skierg will work your front side. Kettlebell swings work your back side.
Great vid - love it
I just ordered the ERG Rower but have been completely on the dense selecting between the rower and the ski erg. I like that the SKI ERG allows you to use it while standing which makes a difference while sitting down and working throughout the day.
Variety is the spice of life. I have owned the rower since 2008 and just picked up a bike erg over Covid. Both are good for their own reasons. I am a MT Biker so in the off season I really enjoy the soothing, punishing nature of the rower to change things up. Both are tremendous! I think everyone should row, it seems like it is just a better overall workout.
awesome summary Shane. thanks!
Glad you enjoyed @edinborogh
What do u think is better for fat loss, bikeerg or air bike like rogue echo bike ? And why
hey Shane. for the bikeerg, how much space does it take up. and does it possibly have a slite storing option. E.G. can you store it tipped up like the rower. or not. probably could tell just from looking at it, but I am totally blind. lol
I have had a rower since 2011 and recently sold it to upgrade and the new one came in yesterday. I got the Bikeerg a couple of months and and prior to that I had purchased the Echo Bike from Rogue. I’m almost 39 and have been in the military almost 17 years. Low impact is the way I’m going these days thought I have a garage gym and sold and upgraded this year. Tomorrow I start a 20/20/20 min Bikeerg/Row/Echo for a 30 Day Challenge. I diet ok but am want to try this experiment out. Thanks for the videos brother I enjoy seeing them.
How did your challenge go?
I've used all Concept 2 models with the exception of the Dynamic, going all the way back to1983.
what about the concept 2 dynamic rower? would like to hear your thoughts on that
i have all three. i like the rower best for overall effect, but i use the bike more as i can work it longer. i get a lot of aches snd pains if i stay on the rower too long-especially in sit bones and lower back. also, my mechanics on the rower are superior to my back strength, so i sometimes generate too much force snd tweak a muscle. on the bike mo such concerns (unless you are 60+, you wont understsnd).
Hello just found your videos and really enjoying them. Question: What wrist watch do you wear and does it keep up with your rowing? Thank you
Hey Paul. I use a Garmin Instinct and set it to indoor row, with heartbeat on broadcast during workouts. It syncs up perfectly with my PM5. The info is pretty much directly inline with what is on the erg app. Hope that helps. Cheers.
Dude! Those brothers had your $10 Tunturi base for their mad Frankenbike-erg!
I have all 3: I say this order; 1: row (crossfit), 2: bike erg (great overall) 3: ski erg (why not). C2 all the way
DEFINITELY ROWerg!
Then BIKEerg
Then SKIerg
I have all three and they’re great but I think rowing is the best and easiest to build into your workout plan/goals.
Skierg is a great compliment to the bike and rower.
Nice job with this one. I have a trainer for my bike and have been thinking of selling it and replacing that with either the Bike Erg or an Echo Bike. Glad you mentioned that you're going to get basically the same out of having the Bike Erg that you would using a bike on the trainer, with mainly the only difference is the Concept2's flywheel feel.
Exactly! It’s why the decision part matters more about what’s most important to you, you just know you’ll get the flywheel interaction instead of a send and glide feel like you do on a regular bike
@@DarkHorseRowing I bought an air bike, because I feel like it works the total body, but it doesn't allow for recovery type cardio, as there is no easy setting.
How many calories can you burn in 30 minutes on a bikerg? on my aerodyne air bike, in 30 minutes I'm 350-375 calories @ 50 rpm, and I[m dead after the workout
I am getting a Concept 2 model D soon.
Is there a better machine between the Concept 2 standard and the Concept 2 tall legs? Is one made/constructed better than the other?
For runners who cross train what would you choose?
Skierg, then rower then bike. Why, Skierg I find it helps more for swimming, & it gets my HR going like no other. Rower next because the bike is last because I road bike and cost aside, I think there are much better bike options out there. Just my take.
The Concept 2 D Rower PERIOD
sounds quite messy
Would love to know more about combining the Peleton app with BikeErg. I have the Model E rower and love it. Just got my BikeErg a month ago and love it. I'm a triathlete. Does anyone use the Peleton app? My girlfriend has a Peleton bike and dreadmill and loves them and the workout programs; so kinda envious. Great video, as usual and keeping them light and entertaining. Thank you!
I don't think you can combine Peloton to sync with Concept 2 PM's. Unless someone has a hack for it, but I don't see why they would allow that because it's taking away business from Peloton or visa versa. I think he mentioned Zwift as an app you can use for the BikeErg.
The C2 rowing machine changed my life. Lost 50 pounds in my 40s just by sitting there for an hour 5 times per week doing a UT2 workout while watching Netflix. Anyone who wants to loose weight and be as fit as possible should buy one. Combine it with a set of good bands for weight training or body weight exercises and you really don't need much more to get in shape.
For how long time did you lose weight? And did you have diet or did you eliminate some things for eating?
It’s not too loud?
@@eminismayilov3900 it took me 7 months. In terms of diet prerrybsteaightbfireard clean eating, 2500 calories, eating about 200 grams protein and carbs each and rest fat. Standard stuff, chicken, fish, bit of steak, veggies fruit, potatoes, some rice and past when I felt it. Normal stuff. But the rowing made the biggest difference, over an hour of zone two rowing just melts the fat away and you are always fresh to go at it the next way.
@@triples6630 not really. I keep it at the conservatory which is nice as does not bother the family, but definitely not loud to bother neighbours if that's what you are worried about. If family loves you and wants your best they should be OK with a swooshing noise for an hour or so :)
I am on the fence between rower and bike erg for HIIT training to supplement weightlifting. I never used a rower before and am concerned with learning proper form without proper oversight. Which is why I am leaning towards l
Bike. Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
I have a Rogue power lifting gym in my basement and I use the C2 rower on off days for cardio. The full body workout of the rower keeps the main muscle groups exercised in a low impact way and keeps me limber. I have a regular spin bike but the rower is my go to for cardio
I want to help improve my upper body strength and put bit more muscles on my arms - is that achievable with a rower?
From my reading, the workload on the rower is 70% legs, 20% back and 10% arms. For the full power beginning of the stroke, your hands on hooks and your arms are shanks for the hooks. There is really no load on them until the end of the drive when you use the arms to arrest the inertial energy of your body moving backwards. So, from my experience, I would not recommend depending on the rower to build muscle mass. From that you need to work the iron.
what about using slides and not just the concept rower???
What about the Concept 2 Dynamic?
I'm also curious about this. I see how it's best for rowers to keep their form for when they're not on the water, but am curious if it's still as effective for upper body conditioning as the other models
@@CSchaef02 the dynamic just forces you to work a bit more abdominals. It's the same as using a regular c2 on 'slides' (they sell these, takes up a lot of floor space), or you could also use a regular c2 with feet out of the straps. For the average person, it's not really worth getting the dynamic (which I think also does not break down into 2 lighter weight parts).
My 2 cents. Concept 2 rower and ski erg either become boring or like a chore to use. There are also "dead spots" on the returns. The bike erg on the other hand is magnificent. There is constant tension while working out on it. You can raise the heartrate much quicker on a drop of a dime. Comfortable and effective long rides. The swoosh sound is a thing of beauty. Much better, lighter and durable than any other type of exercise bikes in the market.
I've only had the BikeErg for a week and I can attest to the superlatives, it's an elegantly designed fitness machine masterpiece that entices you to hop on and start riding
I used to have a rower (not Concept 2), and I had to get rid of it because it was really only designed for people who are at least 5' 6". I am 5' 4". I couldn't get my feet to stay on the foot rests. Would the Concept 2 rower in any iteration be able to work for me?
Yep, I've seen people of many different heights use the concept2 rower with no problems as the foot attachments are adjustable.
How loud is BikeErg bike ? Can it be used in an apartment building, or does the sound go through a wall in a neighbor’s apartment?
@@5minwatchreviews Thanks.
Remember cycling SHORTENS Muscles, that has taken me too long to work out! Make sure you stretch out those Hamstrings after biking!
Love the channel; thank you for the great content!
@8:55 Here is a tidbit of advice: do not pull up on the pedals (just lighten up!
Here is why:
1. It’s more efficient to mostly push down. Lots of studies on amateurs and pro cyclists alike. In fact, the better the cyclist (read WorldTour riders), the more discrepancy between pushing down (more) and pulling up (less). “Pedaling in circles” is a myth.
2. You’re going to injure yourself. Not your hamstrings but the hip flexors.
Dynamic rower?
Any thoughts on the Dynamic rower? Is it really just for rowing athletes or does it offer something unique for us commoners?
I read a highly technical article (PDF form, not hard to find on the interwebz) that characterized the differences between the model D against the model E. Bottom line was the overall amount of work/force/drive speed/etc/etc was very, very similar. They did conclude the model E, for any given "drag factor" was actually slightly easier to row. So - if you really wanna compare apples to apples against tens of thousands of other rowing athletes out there, the model D is your only choice. Bottom line, after reading the article, I could see no advantage to the dynamic model E. Of course, your mileage may vary.
The Dynamic is built specifically to rowers who are on the water and want to maintain as much of that feel as possible. If that’s a route you’re interested in I’d encourage you to check out the RP3 or the BioRower as better possible options.
If you are rowing on water too, and consider buying a rowin machine, go for a dynamic. The standard rower teaches bad technique in my opinion. why? Because in the end if you pull hard enough, you'll still pull great numbers. Which is not a matter if you want a good workout. While on a dynamic C2, that strategy won't get you nowhere. If you want to buy one, I strongly recommend trying one first. If you never have been taught to row, you hardly will be able to enjoy the dynamic. And I mean it. It is not for fitness enthusiasts, it's meant for rowers. That's no joke. If you want to improve your technique on water, any dynamic will do a better job than the fixed versions. Many will disagree and say, it's actually not that good, aso ...the reason is: they are not able to row it properly.
indoor rowing scenery and workout thank you for your sage advice - this is good information.
Is it correct to say that for HIIT the bike is the better option? I have found that (at least for me) rowing (which I love) it is harder to attain very high intensity/heart rate in a short interval of time compared to cycling. Is this just me? I suspect the "negative" part when rowing (sliding forward) acts as a little "rest" occasion and prevents attaining similarly high intensity.
As a (on the water) rower and occasional cyclist maybe my opinion can be helpful. The rowing motion is the most technical of the two, that is what might make it harder to put al lot of effort in the workouts. However, when you are experienced with the rowing motion I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that extreme intense workouts can be done. I would even argue to a higher intensity than the bike because it incorporates more muscles. This in turn means that the heart and lungs need to work harder. That is why I always found that the cardiovasculair limit was quicker reached on the rowing machine than on the cycling machine.
Check the flywheel drag. It apparently makes a big difference.
If you set it too high you can quite easily injure yourself.
Most experienced coaches recommend the bar is set at between 3 and 5.
Considering it goes up to 10 that leaves a lot of leeway for going too hard
@@roberttelford745 yes you are correct, the flywheel makes a huge difference. It should be set to the setting that most closely resembles the pressure you feel on the blades when rowing in the boat. Remember that these machines were first develop for on the water rowers to practice when the weather did not allow for it (frozen river etc.). On the concept2 this is adjusted in the menu with ‘display drag factor’ for most women this should be around 110, for most men around 120. What the setting is on the flywheel is mostly irrelevant since that varies as the machine experiences more wear. Resistance should me measured through the drag factor, not with the numbers displayed on the flywheel!
I bought a Concept 2 rower from a friend, no book or manual, I'm beginner, just bought it yesterday, what should the tension dial be on for a beginner, I think it goes from 0 or 1 to 10, a guy has one that I work with and He does work out daily and He said you're wasting time if you don't keep it on 10 all the time??? Please advise, thanks!
Bit late with an answer but no, you don’t need to keep it on 10. Between 3 and 5 is what rowers reckon feels closest to actual water and most train around there.
My experience training with a masters rowing team was we always kept the resistance low. We set the drag using the lever on the outside at 2 o 3, , or used a low drag setting via C2's monitor. We never used a setting of 10.
How do these compare in terms of workout value/calorie burning vs the Echo Bike assuming you use them for similar times
it's not so much a matter of time but intensity, the Echo Bike's resistance increases the harder you use it, each of the Concept 2 machines have adjustable resistance, it will come down to what your fitness goals are and ideally trying different machines out before you buy just to see what you like
I have all three and the ski erg is my favorite.
How come?
I need a coach. I’m a disabled military veteran and I need a coach to help me meet a time standard so I can maintain my funding. I’ve been rowing for about eight months after competing in Paralympic cycling for 15 years so I know I can only get myself so far without a coach. I need to row a1: 39 per 500 m split for 2K. So far the best I have managed is a 1: 56/500 m.
How fast do you need to go? A 1:39 split for 2000m would make you exceptionally fast in general for anyone rowing, not just fast for the military. Many who have been rowing for a long time would be thrilled with a 6:36 2k.
@@DarkHorseRowing well, I don’t make the rules, unfortunately. The time standard I need to meet is a 6:38 2K.
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Rower, because of space
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I bought myself an Airbike, not the costly one, but a cheaper model.
Not rocket science. Obviously buy the C2 rower. For a bike, buy a used Airdyne.
I have the rower and skierg - would love the bike but cost is an issue with these machines. They cost a fortune though worth it. Here's a left-field idea. I'm no engineer but would it be possible in theory to combine ALL 3 machines in one??!! Think about it for a second...they all share ONE fly wheel. The Skierg sits in the middle, the bikeerg is to the right at 90 degrees, and the rower to the left at 90 degrees. Sounds laughable I know but such a hybrid would bring the cost down massively...surely. I'd buy one!!
But you talked cost, the machine would cost 3x as much as they do now. Reliability would be my concern with all the moving pieces.
@@MattZiggy It would only require 1 fly wheel rather than 3 - so hopefully would be cheaper. I'd pay £2k for a combo machine rather than best part of £3k for separates. It's a crazy idea and will never see the light of day - I just wondered if Im the only person this ever occurred to?
@@nickmitchelltv This is true. It would be nice for people who have tight living quarters too.
Great idea! It would go something like this....Row, remove cable, remove pin from flywheel, swivel flywheel to next machine; attach pin, attach cable, cycle; remove cable, remove pin, swivel to next machine. DONE! Does that sound about right?
Check SkiRow
buy used
Great option for the rower. I have never seen a Ski or Bikerg used.
@@dalehall-bowden1083 The rower retains value so I looked at used but the savings didn’t make much difference and I bought new. Maybe €300 between a well used one and a new one.