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Milwaukee M12 High Output CP 2.5 Vs All CPs And XCs
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2022
- Does the new HO CP 2.5 live put to the claims?
The 3.0 I tested was a counterfeit, Update video with a new 3.0 • Tested The Counterfeit...
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I took my crap M12 1.5ah battery, replaced the cells with Molicell 2800mah 40a cells. More power, better cells than any M12 battery, cost me $21 in cells and a little time. Did it with my M18 1.5ah batteries too.
That's awesome man! I love modifications like this.
You got a video on doing that?
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO lol
Thank you for making the exact video I needed to see! Subscribed and looking forward to the HO 5.0 test 👍
No problem, Thanks for the sub! Yep can’t wait for the 5.
Very interesting test, thank you for sharing! I was really excited to pick these up and I see a huge difference between the compact high output and other compact batteries. The HO hits hard like an XC pack would. I’m really excited about them because I often find myself wanting the smallest form factor but unwilling to sacrifice peak performance. Overall I’m extremely happy with my HO batteries.
No problem! Yep I agree, most of the time I want the smaller form factor but then I want the performance of the XC.
Absolutely great review. Was going to buy the CP3.0 but will go with the HO CP 2.0
Thanks! Glad to hear it helped!
Fantastic job! Even non-techies can follow this. Great visual data charts to go along with the video! Keep up the good work. Maybe next you can do some charts on variation charge times (eg. new vs. seasoned batteries, drained vs. partially drained, etc)?
Glad it was helpful! Yeah I thought about doing charge times, plenty of variables though bc of the different chargers.
Thank you for the review. I really appreciate your time. I always thought the the 3.0cp is a good battery because it lasted a bit longer than the 2.0 in my vaccuum, ratchets and rover. Now i am seeing it is not a quality battery for its price and that "bit" of time longer.. I am about to to purchase a new m12 battery and i am now planning to purchase the new 2.5 to give it a try. Thank you Friend and looking forward to the m12 5.0 review!
No problem!, interesting mine look to be ICR EVE 20P made late 2020.
I ordered them from Amazon I believe.
I just ordered one from Home Depot and will test it once I get the HO 5.
Maybe they made a change and these were some old stock.
Dude, this was exactly the info I needed to make a buying decision.
I just got info the M12 line.
thank you for the great video.
No Problem! Glad to hear it helped!
Dude, loving those charts! BEST I’ve seen !!!!!!!!!! No doubt 👍💪✌🇺🇸😊
Thanks!
Thank you for the video man, very informative. Cheers 🍻
This channel will grow soon.Great content !
Hopefully, Thanks!
So far today you got the best tear down , real amp test and comparison great video !!!
Thanks!, I cant wait for the HO XC 5.0!
For some reason I have avoided the 1.5 and the 3 for the last 3 years since I got on the m12 line . 2 ,4,6 ah all I own thanks for confirming that my gut feeling was on the mark
No problem!
2.0 4.0 6.0 FTW and 8.0 High Output is just insane!
CP3.0 is counterfeit, new CP3.0 from Home Depot was ordered and test czcams.com/video/yUx-snIxLyk/video.html
In the 5-15amp test the 3.0 is barely better then the 2.5.
My CP 3.0 has samsung 30Q cells.
Yeah looks like both my 3.0s are counterfeits, they are the only ones that didn't come from Home Depot.
Appreciate the info. Can't wait to see the 5.0 HO
No problem, I hope to have the 5.0 this weekend!
Very Helpful. Thanks for making this.
Glad it was helpful!
The HO’s are definitely worth it. I got the 5.0 HO for $63. Picked up two of them and love them!
Nice sounds like you got a good deal. They have defiantly come down to more reasonable prices.
I needed this video, subbed!
Thanks for the sub!
great info..when the 5.0ah comes in, IT'S TIME FOR A TORTURE TEST!!🔥🔥👍
Thanks, yeah I'm going to crank up the amp draw and see what happens.
What I find interesting is the 2 CP 3.0 batteries I have are LG HG2 batteries. I bought these batteries in May of 2022 from Grainger. The only date code I could find was on the circuit board and it is 01/2016. Maybe the older cp3.0 batteries got the chocolate batteries and newer models received the cells that are in your cp3.0s. We will never know. Thanks for the great testing!
That's very weird, from what I read online the date code should be on the base. Everyone seems to have Sony or Samsung for the most recent ones. Older ones did have LG, maybe you got NOS.
No Problem!
The CP 3.0 tested are counterfeit. I think he realized this in another video.
Awesome video. The 25% cooler likely means the cells themselves. Since you are measuring the outside casing which is used to dissipate the heat, a higher case temperature can mean it is drawing the heat out better keeping the cells cooler. Ultimately if you keep the cells under 80C they get more current output and lower voltage sag.
True!
No problem, makes sense thanks for the info! Seeing the packs have a thermal sensor I wonder if they shut off at 80C, I will have to test that.
@@Tools-Tested 80C comes from Samsung data sheets. Not sure what temperature Milwaukee stops at.
Sounds feasible
Great job! Thanks for the comparison. I also have a 3.0 CP WTH???
No problem!
My 3.0 looks to be ICR EVE 20P made late 2020.
I just ordered a 3.0 from Home Depot and will test it once I get the HO 5.
I agree seems odd, my I just got old stock.
I'm pretty confident the CP3.0 in this video is a counterfeit. To start, it's got the wrong cells, highly unlikely for MW to make a mistake like that. The M12 logo looks off, just like how they look on counterfeits. Your pack only says "3.0", it should say "CP3.0". Your pack also does not have the screw on the bottom of the base like the new HO CP2.5. MW started putting the screw on the bottom of CP packs with the CP3.0.
EDIT: I did find photos of early CP3.0s (from consumers) that did say only 3.0 instead of CP3.0 but they all did have the bottom screw construction. My oldest CP3.0 was made early 2018 & it says CP3.0 like all my other ones. CP3.0 & XC6.0 were both released at the same time so they all should have Samsung 30Q cells.
Yep its the only one I bought from Amazon, I will say it's impressive how it looks genuine. Just order one from Home Depot, goes to show you cant even trust Amazon.
@@Tools-Tested Yeah I hear ya. Amazon is not a MW dealer so who knows where their stuff comes from. Not all of MW stuff are counterfeited (very little I would say) but you have to be aware buying from Amazon especially if buying from 3rd party sellers. I didn't even know they counterfeit MW batteries (generics yes of course) until I got one myself. Was a fake M12 6.0. Ebay refunded my money though & I still have the battery, use it on a work light.
Anyways, new to your channel & I'm susbcribed now. Looking forward to your test results on the real CP3.0 & the new 5.0.
yes that is a fake cp3.0. All my real m12 cp 3.0 batteies have samsung 30q or sony vtc6 cells inside
@@riceball777 Yep. Same here. All my CP3.0s have Samsung 30Q. Whoever sold that battery on Amazon did a little swaperoo on it before sending it out. It's not hard to do on these M12s unfortunately. I've bought from HD before and had the same thing done to me. I'm assuming it had been returned. Bought an XC6.0....Received basically an XC3.0 with the cheaper 1.5 cells.
10/10 review thank you good job
Glad you liked it!
Definitely useful. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! No problem!
To be fair, i think the heat marketing meant that it dissipates heat from the inside and it radiates it outside thus keeping the battery healthier.
Bosch is about to release a new type of battery that has tabless batteries inside it and they run much cooler and better under high drain loads.
WOuld love to see this done again with a legitimate CP3.0...ALWAYS check your batteries folks. It takes less than a minute to check them.
Will be done this week, ordered one from HD should be here tomorrow.
@@Tools-Tested Sweet! Thanks. I've been burned by just about everywhere at some point on batteries also. I always open them up now. Don't care where they came from or packaging. Last fakes I got from eBay were soooo close on the outside.
If I ever get some proper machining gear like a mill or lathe, I’m going to try and make a 3 cell pack out of mainly solid copper, with holes the precise size of the cells. Let’s soak up that heat :)
Alternatively, a small fan and air channels.
I could probably simulate that with three cells inside a six cell pack with a big fan. Figure out if “perfect cooling” would yield good results. If three cells in the open with a PC fan blowing isn’t wonderfully better, obviously no point in trying anything else.
I have looked around to see if I could find pouch lithium cells that would fit inside the handle on an M18 pack but haven’t found any small enough with enough capacity to be worth it. I really like the idea of having the cells inside the handle only…if I wanted a rectangular block under my handle, I’d have DeWalt or Makita 12v.
Yeah sadly there is not much room to work with in the handle, but it would be nice to have a pouch battery.
@@Tools-Tested When I’ve held the Makita and DeWalt 12v, I’ve realized how much the battery in the handle design of M12 expands the handle. My hands are average and I’m usually using my tools in some weird and uncomfortable position, so I don’t really mind the handle being a bit harder to grip.
(Eg: last time I was drilling a hole in metal, it was in the ~10” wide gap between two frame parts of the back of my RV. An ergonomic grip would have done nothing. Thick thread tapping oil, though - that was great. I keep forgetting that it’s not just CNC mills that need cutting lubricants.)
Great testing ❤
Thank you!
Just a heads up. I was at home depot today and did pick up a 2 pack for 50 dollars. My store had them on clearance.
Nice!
yes Samsung 15M failure
i seen a lot of XC 6.0 go bad
the issue are 3 cells stand up that have all kind of issue.
XC 4.0 and CP 2.0 are rock solid
don’t see any issue beside customers damage there case
i use them since 2018, no issue
Have you seen any CP 3.0s not running the Samsung-30?
The CPs I have look to be made late 2020 with ICR EVE 20P
@@Tools-Tested all the one i open cp3.0 same samsung 30Q
@@TranTek interesting thanks for the info!
@@Tools-Tested any time
some of the old 9ah use the dark brown LG cells
i repair batteries and i see a pattern of issue on some
yes those Samsung 15M are junk, they use a lot of them in Ryobi
@@Tools-Tested Bought my CP 3.0 in December from Home Depot as a 6.0 and 3.0 starter kit with charger and bag. It has MURATA INR19/66 18650s in it.
I stand corrected. Those are the 25S Samsungs. I thought initially they were 25R's. The 25S has a max continuous discharge rate of 25A, the 25R has a 20A max, and the 30Q has a 15A max draw. That's the difference. Now that I have that figured out lol, I would say these are worth the extra 10$ Not enough difference to go crazy over vs. a 3ah. But definitely a better cell. Thanks for the retest. Interested in seeing how the new 5 compares to the 4 & 6 when they are actually attainable.
Yeah overall I think its worth the 10 dollars if you have high amp draw tools, but I agree its not crazy over the 3.0. No problem, yeah knew something didn't add up.
Im impressed with the 5.0 after testing it.
The 5.0 HO has noticeably higher RPM in my Gen3 Impact and spot blower than the 6.0. Really surprised at the difference with the spot blower. Will be interested to see some real world testing on it.
Great informative video as always. I just checked my cp3.0 batteries, they all have Samsung 30Q cells in. Where did you buy yours?
The graphics on his batteries seem off, too.
Thanks, interesting mine look to be ICR EVE 20P made late 2020.
I ordered them from Amazon I believe.
I just ordered one from Home Depot and will test it once I get the HO 5.
Do you know the date made of yours?
@@Tools-Tested my newest one is Sept 28 2019
I think we need a higher drain test to expose the weakness of the different cells… maybe a 5, 10 and 20 Amp test for the CP, and a 40 Amp test just for the XC batteries. I’ve seen testing where the 4.0 XC outperforms the 6.0 XC when used on tools.
Will do when I get the HO 5! Load cell can pull 40A!
@@Tools-Tested, looking forward to seeing that!!!
That CP 3.0 performed really bad, just like a knock-off battery or a 1.5 disguised as 3.0.
Personally I own CP1.5, CP3.0, XC4.0 & XC6.0 batteries and the runtime on the 3.0 is much better than the 1.5 (maybe not by double but you get my point).
The CP 3.0 can power my cutoff tool, jigsaw, ratchet and multitool, but if I switch to the 1.5 my cutoff tool would bog down and drain fast. The only tool I own where the 1.5 feels adequate is on my high speed ratchet and jigsaw.
Just pointing out my experience
Hello Friend..thank you for your input on your 3.0cp experience..i was about to purchase another 3.0cp battery but now i am leaning to purchase the 2.5cp battery. To be honest, the 2.0cp battery comes very close to the 3.0cp which now i am saying to myself that i should have just puchase the 2.0cp instead. Take care
Thanks for the info!
Yeah I just ordered another 3.0 from HD.
Seems really odd, maybe mine are just old stock.
you have a fake cp 3.0ah battery right there. I personally open up all my batteries to see the cells and all my m12 cp 3.0 ah battery have either samsung 30q, which is the same cells in the m12 6.0ah battery and some of my m12 cp3.0 batteries have sony vtc6 cells. Your test also shows that you cp3.0 battery only has 2.0ah of capacity. Your cp3.0 has some off brand cheep low end low discharge 2.0ah cells instead of name brand high discharge 3.0ah cells.
Yeah its crazy how well it looks OEM. I ordered one from Home Depot to test it agains the fake.
2 pack of 3.0 xc are same price as 1 3.0 cp would you still say to stay away from the 3.0xc which still does well on your tests compared to all the cp
Really comes down to price IMO and if u need a more compact battery. If not then the XC are the better bet.
Do your cp1.5/cp3.0/xc3.0 batteries say cells made in china on the bottom? My cp3.0(date code Aug.2021) says cells made in Korea or Singapore, I'll have see if I find my security torx bits to check what cells are in them.
Both CP 1.5 and XC3.0 are china and 2021, the CP 3.0 is late 2020 Korea or Malaysia. After doing some research the CP 3.0s I have are counterfeit, which I bought from amazon earlier this year I believe.
I will do a comparison video once I get the OEM one from HD. It's really shocking how much it looks OEM.
I wonder how the 2.5 HO would do against the 3.0 CP in the heated jacket...
Hard to say without testing, I would expect it to warm up faster seeing less voltage sag.
Can you do a similar test with Ryobi's new standard and HP batteries. I actually haven't found anyone who has opened up the new Ryobi batteries to see what cells are in them.
I defiantly plan to, just have to find time! Hopefully in the next few weeks!
Is it possible to test how many Amps they're actually capable of discharging at, at say 100%, 50%, and 25%?. I'd guess that's almost more important in many use cases.
So the only reason you'd recommend the new 2.5 is due to the battery brand?
The 4.0 has nearly twice the performance as the 2.5, but it's only $10 more.
And the performance, if your looking for the most out of the CP size.
But if size is not the issue then I agree the xc4 or xc6 is a better value.
Could I take the cheap 18650s out of my CP1.5 & replace them with Samsung 30q's???
My only thought is will the circuitry hold up..?
I will have to compare the circuit board on the 1.5 to the 3.0. But I don't see why you couldn't.
Is best single battery for 3453-20 impact XC 4.0? I just want to own one battery for home use.
Yep probably the XC 4.0 or even the 6.0 if you can get a deal on it.
I have a forced logic M12 ProPress. I have the stock 1.5 amp battery. Will upgrading make a difference?
Hard to say without testing, but every m12 tool I have used performed better with a high AH battery vs the 1.5. I could really see the difference on the drill dyno.
@@Tools-Tested those batteries aren't cheap. I always hate to invest money into batteries that when I give me extra performance. What I'm finding is after about 10 dresses I could see on the indicator I'm losing 25% I also noticed that when I put a freshly charge battery in it seems to be more powerful. Maybe I'll wait until I need to replace the current batteries I have.
@@stephenbile3932 Yep defiantly are not cheap at all, best time to buy is around Black Friday or pick up a combo kit.
Interesting, yeah sounds like it could use something like a 4.0 XC.
It might be a good idea. I've done most of my pressing work already. Maybe by then they'll have come up with something even more powerful. What my peeve with the stock batteries are that not so much the presses per charge, but after the first couple of presses you can hear the difference in the power. When pressing copper, the more power that you have the better the press is going to be.
Would you recommend using the new 2.5amp HO battery in my m12 cut off tool, or just stick to either a larger 4amp or 6 amp HO battery instead. ? just curious as i would love to keep my tool compact why i was heading towards the new 2.5 amp HO battery THINKING it may have the same out put as the larger 4amp/6amp battery. WHAT i did notice for others out there reading this when i used a normal 3amp battery on my m12 cut off tool and free rev the tool it was and sounded weaker without load then compared to the other larger 4/6 amp batteries, showing stronger sound..
Going to test that this weekend and we will see if it helps the cut off tool.
@@Tools-Tested brilliant can"t wait to see it
How come the 5.0 High output batteries in the US are called 5.0 XC high output but here in the UK we dont have XC, just 5.0 High output?
Also the batteries seem so damn expensive in the states. A 2.5 high output is $80 in the US but only £35 in the UK ($42) and the 5.0 high output is $120 in the US, but in the UK the 5.0 is only £50 or around $61.
Just seems strange to me as i would think Milwaukee being a US company that the batteries would be cheaper for you guys. That being said it seems like the tools themselves are cheaper for you guys across the pond
Yeah that’s kinda weird, maybe just marketing. I would expect the same cells inside. But it is kinda weird the price is so much cheaper.
How long does the battery run for? I am debating between getting on the m12 vs m18 line. Thanks!
The 2.0 battery only runs for 3 minutes before it dies when running at 15 amps?!?
Correct, you will get better runtime with m18 because of the higher voltage. It really depends on what tools you need when comparing m12 vs m18 and if its more DIY or full-time job.
@@Tools-Tested 3 minutes is such a short time. I was thinking it would least run for 1 hour. I wanted to get a multi tool and was debating m18 or m12 (lighter/more compact), but it doesn’t seem like I could get a lot of work done with a tool that only lasts 3 minutes!! I have battery landscaping hedge trimmers that last hours and was expecting at least an hour of run time!
@@FixItWithMe 15amps amps constantly is a serious load. I would expect much longer runtime. That being said m18 is definitely going to run longer with a 2ah.
Sadly I can’t speak for muti tools though.
What size security torque bit do you use to take battery apart ?
T10
Do you think the 2.5ah is the highest amount of output we will see in the CP batteries?
Yeah I think for a while until Samsung release a stronger cell so probably at least a few years.
@@Tools-Tested, I'm thinking of putting three 30q's in my CP1.5. And yes I can solder.. Any thoughts?
It's weird that the CP3.0 performs so poorly but the XC6.0 performs great. Don't they share the same cells?
Yeah it’s really weird my CPs have what looks to be ICR Eve battery’s not the Samsung INR which are in the XC. I bought them early this year but look to have been made late 2020. I have ordered a new one from HD and plan on testing it against the 5.0.
The 6.0XC is in essence, two CP3.0 batteries working side by side. Each sharing half the load. So they can push twice the current flow of a single CP.
Cp3.0 doesn't seem very 3.0 to me
Come to find out it was a counterfeit 3.0, this was the only one that didn't come from HD.
I retested with a new 3.0 from HD when I tested the 5ah HO and it was much better.
All CP 3.0 batteries use either LG HG2 or Samsung INR-18650 30Q cells. Whoever you bought the CP 3.0 from swapped in a 2.0 cell pack. You really need to take this video down as you are merely testing the 2.5 against a fake 3.0.
I agree I just wasted 20min trying to figure out why the fuck there were 2.0 amp-hour cells in a battery advertised for 3.0
Did you just Say $80 ??
~ I think I would just keep my Charger Plugged in....