Kazakhstan's president insults Putin on stage! (ft. Michael Hilliard of
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- On 17 June 2022, President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev of Kazakhstan trashed Russia's justification for invading Ukraine - with Russian President Vladimir Putin sat just a few meters away!!!
Links for Michael Hilliard's podcasts:
The Red Line Podcast
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open.spotify.com/show/22smMRb...
Spotlight on Central Asia Podcast
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open.spotify.com/show/3GmkiQK...
Chapters:
Intro 00:00
St Petersburg International Economic Forum 01:46
Tokayev humiliates Putin 03:45
Tokayev's debt to Putin 06:33
Tokayev on Abkhazia and South Ossetia 07:42
Why Tokayev stood up to Putin 08:42
Russia retaliates against Kazakhstan 12:00
Kazakh people's response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine 13:56
Interview with Michael Hilliard 15:20
Conclusion 19:05
#putin #russia #kazakhstan
SOME SOURCES USED TO MAKE THIS VIDEO:
Who attended SPIEF 2022 (with tweet of cannon blasts) www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/15/taliban-separatists-and-lukashenko-russia-kicks-off-diminished-st-petersburg-forum-a77985
LPR leader attends SPIEF tass.ru/ekonomika/14815381
Liveblog of Putin/Tokayev presentation www.gazeta.ru/politics/2022/06/17/15001844.shtml
Putin questions Kazakh statehood: www.themoscowtimes.com/2014/09/01/kazakhs-worried-after-putin-questions-history-of-countrys-independence-a38907
Kazakhstan doesn’t exist: www.bbc.com/russian/international/2014/09/140901_kazakhstan_putin
Putin claims former Soviet Union territory is the "historic Russia:" web.archive.org/web/20220620184047/ria.ru/20220617/sssr-1796292184.html
Russia closes Kazakhstan’s Caspian Sea pipeline: www.kommersant.ru/doc/5421340
Konstantin Zatulin threatens Kazakhstan govoritmoskva.ru/news/321290/
March rally in Almaty against war in Ukraine: vlast.kz/novosti/49018-v-almaty-prohodit-massovyj-miting-v-podderzku-ukrainy.html
Majlis podcast episode on SPIEF encounter: www.rferl.org/a/31915672.html
Full video of Putin and Tokayev at SPIEF on 17 June 2022 (in Russian) czcams.com/video/KRR3OHlEbew/video.html
everyone gangster till Kazakhstan's president walks in the room
That's hillarious!
I'm from Kazakhstan, and I'm surprised how you actually got the whole idea of what's happening in my country. Thank you!
Alga Kazakhstan!
Wow, thank you! That means a lot to me! 🙂
Kazakhstan has just pulled out of the CIS monetary system so this sounds pretty serious. Good for Ukrainians too! Go Kazakhstan!
Thanks for watching and commenting! I haven't heard about this development with the CIS. Thanks for the tip - I'll check it out!
To be fair, Kazakhstan already refused recognise Donetsk or Luhansk or to send troops to help Russia back in February, so it's not like Tokayev was a total pushover. But it still took some guts to give an explanation while sitting directly beside Vladimir Putin at SPIEF.
I agree. What's really interesting here is more that Tokayev chose this moment to state Kazakhstan's position on the LPR/DPR in front of Putin. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@FredoRockwell Kolay gelsin.Kazakistan yerini belli etti.Bunu da herkesin duyacağı yerde alenen söyledi.ANKA S Türk Sihası Kazakistan'da üretilecek .Bağlantıyı da sen kur istersen.İyi çalışmalar.
Dear Russians watching this video: Remember that patriotism is loving your motherland. Not your goverment, and if someone says youre a traitor, dont be afraid to stand against Putin's regime. Because that is what real patriotism is. ⚪🔵⚪
Beautifully said! And more beautiful because this is real patriotism in every country, not only Russia!
Better To Say Change Flag.
@@Zhalghas-YZ Explain? (Nice self-like you got)
As a non-Russian who supports Russia's opposition, I agree! In fact, your comment reminds me of something that a former president of the United States, Theodore Roosevelt, once said in 1918:
"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
Although President Roosevelt said this about the _American_ public, this quote can apply anywhere, since, as Fredo Rockwell said, it is the "real patriotism in every country". This quote is even more relevant today, since Roosevelt said this while the US was fighting in World War I, which implies that criticizing the president whenever necessary is _still_ patriotic, even in a state of war! I would agree with this implication, as would the Russian patriots of the opposition! In fact, we _can_ call them patriots, since their loyalty is to their motherland, Russia, and not to one specific person!
Thanks for the message!
For the Roosevelt quote I mentioned earlier: en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt#1910s
Michael mentioned that he would expect Kazakhstan to close avenues of cooperation with Russia such as withdrawing from CIS. Well, we now hear in the news that Kazakhstan is leaving CIS currency agreement
Hello! I think this is the second comment that's mentioned this CIS currency agreement. I can't find anything about this online. Can you put a link to a news report in a comment here? Thank you!
Great video. This is such an interesting story. A fair few countries seem to have decided to sit out the West-Russia recognition battle over Kosovo, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. A lot of countries are uncomfortable with this abuse of traditional norms of self-determination. But the fact that Tokaev spoke out about this so publicly is fascinating.
I agree totally! Even if this remark was staged (and I remain sceptical that it was) just the fact that it happened anyway still fascinates me. Thanks so much for watching and for your comment Professor!
Another great informative video! Thank you, Mr. Rockwell.
Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Not everyone exactly was 100% surprised imo. The fact Tokhayev did not support Russia's invasion officially, nor recognize the breakaway republics, makes this news not a full surprise.
I agree, it's not totally surprising if you know the full background, but I'm still surprised Tokayev said this in front of Putin. It wasn't a necessary comment, and it came 90 minutes into the event. He could have said the same thing in a speech on another day and still gotten the credit for distancing himself from Russia. He didn't have to do this to Putin's face!
Tokayev expressed the opinion of the Kazakh people, otherwise he would be considered a traitor.
It simply cannot be other than a nation.
But he is strong, and we are happy about this, because we must be prepared for aggression from Putin.
Almaty.
There is also another theory: Tokayev brought Chinese message. Probably Xi indirectly said this to Putin via lips of Tokayev. Because Taiwan was mentioned first.
That's possible, but I suspect Kazakhstan is just as worried about being controlled by China as it is being controlled by Russia. But then again, maybe not?
I am from Kazakhstan and I am surprised on the accuracy of your analysis
Wow, thank you! Thank you for watching!
Really high quality reporting and background.
Thank you so much!
Fascinating to see what’s going on outside the UK media bubble when it comes to Russia and Ukraine. It’s one of the reasons I read Reuters and Aljazeera, but this is an interesting event that the west just never covers.
Thanks as always Fredo.
Thank you! And thanks for watching and commenting!
Excellent analysis.
Thank you! And thanks for watching!
For a while (and especially since Black January), I would have thought Tokayev and his Kazakhstan to be close allies of the Kremlin (which they kind of are). However, this remark about "quasi-state territories" is quite snarky... and a great way of undermining one of Putin's last pro-war narratives! I'm confident that RT's work will be made just a bit harder with those remarks! Thanks for making this video!
Thanks so much! And yes, I agree, if this was staged I think Tokayev would have made a less"snarky" comment and done it at another venue where Putin wasn't say right next to him. Thank you!
It was clear Tokayev wasn't a Putler lackey from May 2022 Collective Security Treaty Organization (Russian NATO) meeting where he distanced himself from Putler in the group photo and seem displeased. Kazakhstan seems more evolved than Russia so it would make more sense for them to side with the West. Over time we will likely see that transition.
That's a really interesting take. I actually had to cut down my interview with Michael HIlliard from about 15 minutes, and he did say that Kazakhstan wants to have partnerships with as many big powers as possible at the moment - something that's very similar to what you've said. At the moment geography makes them very dependent on Russia, but I'm sure most Kazakhs would like to see that change.
@@FredoRockwell This is the group picture I was referring to. Look how far away Tokayev distanced himself from Putler compared to Lukashenko up in his ass.
www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/2022-05-16T125841Z_1696148699_RC2B8U95LLM2_RTRMADP_3_RUSSIA-CSTO-SUMMIT.jpg
Ok, I need to explain that canon blast. It happens in Sait-Petersburg every day at exactly 12:00. It has been happening for very long time and has no association with current war. Tho I admit, it may seem that way at the moment.
Thanks so much for that explanation! That makes sense now. But, as you say, it certainly looks odd to have the leader of the Donetsk rebels firing a cannon considering what's going on in the territory he claims to lead! Thanks again for watching and commenting. 🙂
KZ Strong
The thing about Russia helping during Bloody January is not quite true. As several news sites and witnesses could attest, Russia did not get involved in battles, but rather defended their own property (Baykonur cosmodrome or oil reserves) while Kazakhstan finished sorting out riots. I imagine this move was twofold: 1) Russia had their military on the border at the time already, and directly getting involved would prompt very angry voices and problems with regards to everything they were doing at the time and 2) They could get folks who don’t read into news too much on their side, saying they “saved Kazakhstan”. Both my grandmothers used the 2nd reason to explain why they supported Russia in the invasion.
Thanks very much for this! It sounds like you have much more first-hand information than I do. I don't doubt at all that the narrative that Russia saved Kazakhstan has been overplayed to Russia's advantage. I also suspect that knowing that Russian-backed CSTO troops had arrived probably discouraged some protesters from continuing (although I'm only speculating). When I first heard this news, I really did suspect that Russian troops would be staying for a long time, so - whatever really happened - I'm very glad this did not turn into an occupation! Thanks again for your comment!
@@FredoRockwell No worries. CSTO troops weren’t seen outside of vehicles in the city afaik (I do live in Almaty, where the big part of the riot took place). In addition, it’s still not clear what the people who started the riots and tried to stage a coup wanted. “Official” version is that Nazarbayev’s (previous president’s) nephews tried to take over in order to make a regime with tighter ties with Russia, but that’s what the government says.
Another thing to mention is that Tokayev recently added in rules limiting presidential power of all presidents starting with him. He has been playing a weird game from January onwards, and it’s VERY hard to say what his endgame is. It’s really hard to not respect the way he is tightrope walking on the international politics, trying to not anger Russia too much, but in full knowledge that if Ukraine offensive is successful, Kazakhstan is next.
Wow, thanks again for the great comment! It looks to me like I could easily make more videos about the situation in Kazakhstan.
@@vcom741 so you're saying that Tokayev is starting to to become a little more democratic (albeit in some parts) and slowly moving away from their authoritarian nature of the ruling party, Nur Otan.
@@sunder739 Again, I think that’s what he is doing, but with how complex the situation is in the world (adding to it the Taiwan and China hostilities), it’s VERY hard to tell. That being said I believe that I heard stuff about the party putting in extra rules and limitations for observation parties at elections…so again hard to tell
She was sweating a lot!
Was it the lights, or being so close to Putin? 😂
Damn bro, who are you? That's some damn good video you did there. I predict 20.000 subs within 1 year
Thank you! I'm just me. :)
And at the moment I'd just be excited to get to 5K!
Ounce he gets 5000 sub he want even acknowledge me anymore. I've been here from almost from the beginning ,,,He grew on me .good content. 👍
@@mikalre2189 Never Mik! I'll always acknowledge you. I really value your support!
Wait that only took 8 seconds for you to like it that seems unnatural
😀
Kazakhstan is pivoting towards chineese. His speech was directed to them it seems. He is basically saying that he no longer cares about Russia goals, instead he supports China with regard of Taiwan.
I suspect you're right however I also think Kazakhstan doesn't want to be dependent on China in the same way they have been in Russia. The more powerful friends they have the less they depend on just one of them
@@FredoRockwell Makes perfect sense. In that case they are trying to balance relationship with Russia.
And don't forget Turkey! Kazakhstan is part of the Organization of Turkic States!
@@FredoRockwell İşte bu görmek istediğim cevap..Sıra Kırgızistan'da.
@@FredoRockwell Turkic is office made fake concept, Turkey is an terrorist country
Turan yükleniyor:=)))))
I absolutely love your videos
Thanks so much! Have you seen them all now?
@@FredoRockwell every single one of them except the ones about currency
@@leopardknowledge.1430 Wow! Even the one about the colour orange?
@@FredoRockwell which one is that one?
The one about the Celtic god and the New York Knicks.
I think that's Hilliard's explanation is a bit too forced and imaginative. Why would Putin choose such vulnerable moment to allow Tokayeb to do that? . We are quiet clear that Putin always wants to inspire fear and this situation counterfeits his authority.
I agree with you. What Mike said makes sense, but Tokayev could have said these things in another speech and got just as much geopolitical credit from it. He didn't need to say it in front of Putin, and if it was planned, why wasn't it part of the formal speeches they both gave and instead part of the less structured Q&A session?
Tokayev is not wrong though!
What a Chad move 🗿
Yeah, I think Tokayev is pretty gutsy.
I feel that Kazakhstan will get invaded.
I definitely think Kazakhstan should be prepared for a possible invasion, and I'm confident there are powerful people in Moscow who would choose to launch one. What I doubt is that Russia has enough military resources to invade anytime soon. The losses in Ukraine have been devastating.
I’m a bit scared of the Kazakh President because he looks like George Takei, Michael Caine, and a wax doll from Madame Tussaud’s.
He scares me because he reminds me too much of US Senator Mitch McConnell!
He was born in May -
bull 🐂 😀 From Almaty
Казахстан некогда Россий не воспринимал как Союзника только ради интереса сотрудначал а теперь не выгодно поэтому отдалаеться я сам из этой страной стране не мало проРоссиских сил но есть также антиРоссиские который привишает это 5 и 6 раза который в основовном нациионал-патриотов отличе проройсиских они фанатики ради страны пойдет все
i think the reason the leader said this is because
Russia is slowly losing respect for slow progress in ukraine and international sanctions
russia is so humilated at this point, even its own self proclaimed alies do not support them
and for the reason lukashenko is still supporting putin, its because he needs putin to stay in power, belarus is sourounded by western allied powers and without russia it is completly doomed
All solid points! I tend to think Tokayev was saying what he did to put genuine distance between him and Putin. My friend Michael thinks this is more for show, but I think it's a bit more genuine than just a performance. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Belarus is just a Russian puppet state. At this point it's about as autonomous as DNR and LNR are.
I think ur buddy does give a more reasonable explanation imo
Maybe, but I think the remark itself wasn't planned. It was 90 minutes into the event, not at the start, and Tokayev could have said the same thing in a speech elsewhere and gotten the same geopolitical street cred. He didn't need to say it in front of Putin, and I don't think Putin enjoyed him doing it either. Thanks for watching and commenting, Beace!
@@FredoRockwell I think Tokayev said what he did because he knows keeping him in place he is Putin’s best move. He got to score some points with his angry population, let Putin know he is not his fckboi to do what he please - and told Russia not to try their shenanigans in Kazakhstan like they have in Ukraine. They will not be welcomed as heroes there either.
As the opportunist he is, he saw his shot and took it.
@@FredoRockwell that’s a good point too tbh
Every time this dude says that cringy "AGAIN", I die a little. Stop doing that
😂 Sorry! I've covered the invasion several times and every time I've had comments from Ukrainians pointing out that this is the second invasion. I really wanted to make sure people knew I understood this! Thanks for watching and commenting. 🙂
@@FredoRockwell yeah bro, but saying it the way you did, I'm sure once was enough. It made me feel like "do you think your audience is retarded?" Anyway, good video overall, just sloppy presenting, amateur like.
Click bait!
Thanks for watching and commenting. How so?
Crosses the line of coverage into propaganda. One thing to capitalise on an awkward political gaff, another to make blanket judgements about who's legitimate snd who isn't. Real Journalists present facts neutrally. This presentation leaves one thinking not so much who's lying, but what is this guy hiding and why?
I'm not hiding the fact that I'm not a journalist! 😂
@@FredoRockwell the questions remain.
Can you rephrase the question then? I'm not sure who you think is hiding something. I can't speak for Tokayev or Putin.
@@FredoRockwell sure. Why do you not inform us that Ukraine has been shelling and murdering ethnic Russian Ukrainians since 2014? Why do you not inform us of the broken Minsk Agreements and NATO build up of troops and Armaments on the Russian border that has also provoked this military action? Why do you dismiss the people of Lugansk and Donetsk's wish to be out from under the terror of Nazi Ukraine Paramilitary attacks and declare independent Republics as illegitimate? In short, why are you only presenting a one sided and very biased view of the events? Why not be honest and admit that the US is acting on behalf of Internationalist Banking interests and Western Corporatocracy to destabilise the Russian Federation? You are only fooling those who want to be fooled.
@@thescythian321 This is a video about one narrow issue - Tokayev's remarks at Spief. Explaining why Russia decided to invade Ukraine (again), or how many Ukrainian citizens they've killed in the occupied territories would have made the video much too long, and also really rambling and incoherent. I do talk about these issues in some of the other videos I've made so check them out. As for me trying to destabilize the Russian Federation, honestly, I'm just a guy with a small CZcams channel! You give me way too much credit. I don't have any desire to destabilize the RF, but what I think doesn't really matter. What matters is that Putin is destabilizing it rapidly and is (very sadly) making the lives of his subjects worse and worse every day. Thanks again for watching!