Is Liking Your Job a BAD Thing Careerwise?
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- How does Adam Savage balance complacency with opportunity? Has Adam ever had a freelance client try to hire him directly after employing him through a third party, and what did he do about it? In this live stream excerpt, Adam answers these questions from Tested members Stephanie Stanton and Austin Squire, whom we thank for their support! Join this channel to support Tested and get access to perks, like asking Adam questions:
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It's like the Arnold Rothstein quote "Flip a coin. In the air, you'll know which side you're hoping for." Point being, you already know if you want to move on, or feel fulfilled where you are. Asking that question is only trying to get affirmation from a respected source (in this case, Adam). And I think he responded, much more eloquently, that you will know, yourself, when that time comes, by being attentive.
Whos arnold rothstein? Sounds way smarter then whoever said trying the same thing again n expecting to get better n win this round is insane.
@@MaverickMcGreasyHe was a New York Mobster in the early 20th century. He was most infamous for allegedly rigging the 1919 Baseball World Series. Lots of other famous gangsters got their start in his organization, including Lucky Luciano and Mayer Lansky.
Although I think the quote above is from a fictionalized version of Rothstein, but I could be wrong.
Whoa neat. I've never heard this, but this is literally what I do and the philosophy behind it. If you're uncertain, leave it to the coin. Once it lands you'll either feel okay about it, or realize you prefer the alternative.
I'm 54, and a dental products chemist. I've been doing this general thing from 1994 until now. And, overall, ive been fairly content with all those years. Well all those years, With 1 HUGE break.
I got laid off in 2019, and am poorly networked, and not good at self sales, so I couldn't find a new job.
So, we moved to San Antonio at the beginning of 2020. Right into the teeth of Covid.
Needing SOMETHING, I drove a big rig for roughly 2.5 years, until one of my old contacts said "hey, wanna come do chemistry for us?"
Aaaanyhow, I was comfortable and mostly happy. I didn't actively network, and I was complacent. It cost me our home near Santa Barbara CA, being close to family, etc.
Why do I say all this? Because no matter how wonderful your job, there are no guarantees it will be there, or be pleasant 1, 5, 10 or more years from now.
Enjoy while tou can, but keep opening doors, as you never know when the room you're in will force you out.
Adam does it by reliving myth busters basically every episode!
This is pretty much it. You NEVER KNOW.
Thank you for sharing this. ❤
I realize we should never "idolize" people because humans are flawed and what we see at face value may not be who someone is authentically behind closed doors. With that said, I have truly come to look up to Adam and value his insights and life experiences shared. Adam is one of the few people I could just sit and listen to for hours and the almost poetic and theatre like way he shares some of his stories just resonates with me. I realize this is a "maker" channel (an oversimplification of what it actually is) but I've also learned so much about life here as well. Even as an adult now I find myself often saying, I want to be like Adam when I grow up.
Thank you Adam and the tested team for bringing such diverse content and for sharing these moments, they are truly invaluable and deeply appreciated.
Thank you so much for answering my question, Adam! I’m curious for a future live stream how you think about disentangling your job from your identity. I’ve now managed it, but I’m struggling to articulate the process in a few near peer mentorship relationships. The closest I’ve gotten is ‘live a life that feels good from the inside, not looks good from the outside,’ but it still feels incomplete.
It was an awesome question Stephanie! And got us all thinking about it. Regarding your thoughts about identity.... Maybe a mushroom trip would be helpful? Shrooms have helped me understand the place of my temporal human self, to feel how little any of it matters in the grand scale of my actual soul. Disidentification is so freeing even if it only lasts a short while
I weirdly found peace in understanding that nothing matters and there is no meaning (objectively). I can make it up on my own, with help from the people around me! I then realized that I could pick the people around me. You do you, and what makes you happy is good enough. Set your standards and hold them on your own understanding. There isn't perfection, just good enough, and surprisingly, it's actually good enough!
I'm not sure if it's on purpose, but your phrase could be interpreted in many ways. Maybe you feel it's incomplete because it is too general? Or you believe it's incomplete because it's not general enough?
That's interesting about disentangling your job from identity. I've never considered what I do as who I am. But, also, I've never had a job that I loved. It's always been a thing to just "pay the bills" while I do the things that I truly enjoy.
@@dillonhounshell9786 I think the same as you about my work, but when i use skills i learn at work elsewhere and dream about doing work, it becomes part of me no matter how much i dislike it. This makes it even worse as now i don't like that part of myself to the point that i will wake myself up to get out of work dreams.
I was a recording engineer all my career, 50 years now. I loved every day of it. How I dealt with the troughs was knowing that the peaks were always there, just in the next session. Clients were sometimes not so enjoyable but I loved the process so much that the process made it easy to keep an upbeat attitude toward my work. I do less engineering now but am in a parallel career that is also enjoyable. I'm more in control of my own schedule and work from home. Enjoyment of your work is in the passion you have for the process and the results.
As is the case with corporate idiots - Question during a performance review "What is your dream job? What would you like to be doing 3 years from now?" The thing is, I was doing it. It was as if everything I had done over the previous 35 years, what I had learned, were at that point in time perfect! Needless to say the person had a difficult time with that. As things turned out, the last project I worked before retirement was of a similar nature, but it was nothing we knew was coming. It happened and I had the right mix of skills to fit into the project team.
With the exception of the "touchy feely, let's emote about stuff" which had little to do with software development, I absolutely loved my job and was happy to go to work each day!
‘When you love your ‘job, you’ll never work a day in your life.’ ❤️
@@marypasco2213 True words.
It's perfectly okay to be happy doing one thing. Not everyone has that kind of restlessness where they always eventually need to move on from everything in their lives. One of Adam's oft repeated anecdotes is about the cello player Casals, who at the age of 80 was practicing for hours a day. He did that because continuing to play the cello made him happy. He didn't give it up because he thought he must move on just for the sake of moving on, he kept with it because that's what he wanted to do.
I worked at a campus bookstore in the 80's Pricing things, unpacking books and clothes etc... A simple job I know but I was so happy doing it. I have had many other jobs since but I still miss that one. Happiness now is a hobby of woodturning. A job you are happy in is so good and sometimes rare, the job you hate every day to wake up and go to suck. Having the idea to change and find the next step can some times be hard or long but but once you do and the change is better it is worth it.
Reminds me of my first couple of jobs working in dog kennels. I LOVED it and I miss it all the time. Unfortunately, kennel technicians generally aren't paid much more than minimum wage, so I had to move on eventually.
10:45 This is EXACTLY what I'm going through right now. I went and got good at something I never wanted to do but that I had started doing due to being downsized because I could do it and it paid the bills. And then I got trapped doing it for 17 years because it was what everyone needed me to do even though I hated doing it the whole time. Because I was good at it, nobody would ever even consider hiring me to do anything else, until just a few weeks ago. I'm finally moving on with my life and career, but that's 17 years of my life I'll never get back.
I deeply feel and appreciate you're passage from Rilke as I am in this place in my wife. My wife passed away in September and am embarking on finding a new future without her. It really spoke to me and my journey. Next on my reading list.
The Rilke passage really speaks to me as well. So sorry for your loss and good luck on your journey from here.
For anyone curious, here is the timecode 6:32
I moved state a year ago. left family and friends comfort zone and took on what was to be my dream job. The past year I worked hard there where ups and downs but I finally found something I could see myself being in for at least the next 10 years. Long story short things recently took a turn with ownership and I do not see this amazing large company lasting more than 3 months or it going in the direction I want to go. I also could not work under the new owner. My dream job I was so content with is gone. Its a huge deal for me a massive kick in the face. Even if you are content in your job always be open minded to change. I am un packing a lot right now but maybe bigger better things are to come. Work for Myself. My own Thing.
Don't tell me it was private equity 😢🔫
I definitely feel it's important to understand that contentment is not complacency. Enjoying your life without desperately trying to find something wrong with it is a good thing and it doesn't detract from considering change when opportunity presents or when pressures requires.
Left school at 18 , degree by 23 , travelled , had pointless , boring but well paid sales jobs , then retrained 15 years ago as a gym instructor . Started working p/t evenings , then f/t , managed to get a lease on a gym . Gave back the keys 3yrs ago . Im now 60 , semi retired . Still do 6 hours a week instructing - love it . I remember my college lecturer years ago having a go at me for missing assignments . He said all i was good for was playing sport and going on holiday . He was so right !! My most happiest times have been when im travelling and being physically active . Sometimes the answers are already there .
I like how things worked out for you.
Loved this so much I listened twice. Liminal spaces…how timely. Like others, I enjoy these “rap sessions” the most. Your presentation at Maker Faire was another favorite. Now have to go find that translation of Rilke’s Letters…thank you…truly.
“Opportunity is fickle and jealous and if you don’t pay it enough attention, it will stop talking to you entirely.” Ninjalicious from the book Access All Areas.
Im laughing at that end "I bid for Jamie" bit.
“Is being happy in your job bad?” What an odd question. Haven’t watched the video yet, but if I’m understanding the question, emphatically no it’s not bad, it’s a blessing!
I've heard the question "what's next?" so many times in my life. There's nothing wrong with being happy where you are and with what you're doing, and there's also nothing wrong with seeking something else, whether for reasons of reaching a specific goal or because you want to learn and do all sorts of new things. But, it still irks me when people ask the question, because there's this pervasive thought that everyone should be constantly climbing to "the top". I love to learn and try new things, but I think being happy with where you are is a very understated concept in the world too.
I'm leaving my job I've been at for 11 years tomorrow, and this video couldn't have come across my feed at a better time... This advice hit home really hard.
10:52 Reminds me of this quote by Joni Mitchell “That's one thing that's always, like, uh, the major difference between the performing arts to me, and being a painter, you know. Like, a painter does a painting, and he does a painting - and that's it, you know. He’s had the joy of creating it, and he hangs on a wall, and somebody buys it, somebody buys it again, or maybe nobody buys it, and it sits up in a loft somewhere until he dies. But he’s never, you know, nobody ever says to him, you know, nobody ever said to Van Gogh, 'Paint a Starry Night again, man!' You know? He painted it, and that was it.”
I am not a "maker" nor have I ever worked on any projects except for my own. However, I have had my fair share of different career paths be it for better or worse. The one thing that they have all had in common that involved me was my belief in whether or not I should be content with my place of employment. I say "content" because that is not necessarily the same thing as being "happy". Content to me means the good outweighs the bad. I have found out that in general, if the good outweighs the bad, then you are probably in the right place. That isn't saying that it will always be the right place though. Unfortunately, everything and every place changes. This means that sometimes the bad starts to outweigh the good. When that happens, it is time to either create an exit plan, or enact one that you have already had.
Thanks for being a guide. I work in a completely different space, but your passion lights my life
I can not believe how many of your videos are the most timely and helpful information for me, Thank you. 🙏
Your comments on getting good at something and then being expected to do it forever reminds me of a saying my grandpa used to use "Don't get too good at digging ditches cause they're only gonna give you a bigger shovel". His version has a negative connotation, but still true none-the-less.
Thank you Adam for sharing your experiences! The advice on moving on from you successes wat exactly what I needed to hear right now, thank you.
I really needed to hear this today Adam. Thank you, especially for continuously giving me more material to read 🙌
This is perfect timing for me with inspiration and advice in my current situation.
Do not EVER EVER EVER let your boss know that you enjoy your job. Maybe you don't have a boss that would use that against you, but you might. You'll find yourself with lower performance reviews and smaller raises because they know that the fact that you like the job means you won't quit as fast when the boss decides you don't get a raise this year. If you like the job and make the mistake of not caring how much you get paid, you'll find yourself behind inflation for 5 years.
Your boss is NOT your friend, even if they are. At the end of the day you're an entry in a payroll record, nothing more. Matter of fact, if you're good at your job but your boss thinks you hate it, you might get a bigger raise to try to keep you there.
Its wonderful to be happy and content with your current job. But don't let the comfort keep you from expanding yourself. Every job change/life change I have made has always turned out better than before for me. Always keep growing.
7:58 The most important thing is to be in the present moment. 10000m light years ahead or 10000m years ago. This is happening now. The main thing is pure consciousness
I was just let go from a job last month so this was good timing for some extra insight and inspiration. I was "comfortable" and a bit complacent at a job that was probably beneath me by the end of my tenure there. So here's to new opportunities.
Thanks for sharing the viewpoints Adam--definitely a tricky subject!
That last bit, where someone bid for you a price where you thought would be the same if they had bid for Jamie and that it was all a matter of perception.
Just... Classic. And also ties into that self-discovering moment of knowing, or at least bluffing, what you're worth to the right people.
I have a huge problem with "selling myself" and undersell it STILL to this day because I just have this lifelong imposter syndrome.
It's like, of course I can do it, it's so fucking easy I could do that in my sleep. But what I do couldn't POSSIBLY be worth the same as THOSE guys.
I have to look up prices for similar projects and just kinda mid-ball it and hope they accept.
A good tactic to use is to remember that while you are "selling yourself" (time, skills, etc) what you are really selling is the end product. So no matter how crap your brain tricks you into thinking you are, it doesn't matter. The end product is worth exactly what the market will bear. So make sure to sell it for what its worth, not based on the number of mistakes you made creating it.
@@Multicontemplator... damn, that's REALLY good advice!
Damn, you are a real down to earth guy... thank you for sharing your wisdom, Adam. At times like this is really amazing and mind blowing to listen to your stories. ❤
Thanks for the video!
great episode, thanks Adam. I needed this one today ;)
Thank you .. a most intriguing insight, thought inspiring and something for me to follow up on..
I'm a new subscriber, hadn't expected the deep and meaningful, but love it. Keep it up.
That was great advice for life! Thank you Mr savage!
Fixed a printer at work 8 years ago.
Now I'm in charge for the maintenance for all of them.
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AND,! Never tell anyone about your future plans to go, until you’re ready to go! You’re wide open and vulnerable when you do this. I worked as a contractor for 38 years, basis for my comment. Experience. 🤫
My recollection on the ‘I love NY’ thing was that it followed the ‘Virginia is for lovers’ (with the heart symbol) . The impression being that the NY line was inspired by the Virginia one.
Anyway, great video!
Such good insights Adam. You’re exactly right… once you see what the “bigger table” looks like and once you have some influence with those at the “bigger table”, you find yourself wanting a seat at that table. That said, I have found that feeling is not in everyone… not throwing shade in the least but people are wired differently. Tenacity and drive to operate at the next tier is not apart of everyone’s core. I would be careful to chase the “enoughnees” of your job however as that can easily become a hamster wheel. Make decisions slowly… thanks again Adam
Adam, I’m currently in a struggle with wanting more in my career, but feeling a little stuck. Thanks for this.
I've got a friend who's in small business and he has two sayings for his employees.
One, "if you were supposed to have fun while you're here you'd have to pay to be here"
and Two, "yes work sucks, that's why they call it work and not play"
It's good to feel devoted to your work.
It's also good to not lock yourself down too much, but also not just be a mercenary for hire.
If you have a mercenary for hire attitude, your workplace will know, and they'll either care, or they won't.
This is the second time you have referenced that specific translation of Rilke and it has been very impactful to me. Please tell me which translation you use. I checked X and it is not in there and you did not put it in the description of the previous Q&A where you referenced Rilke and I am dying to know!!!!
thanks for the video
hope you are doing good adam!!
Whenever I had a job, I was "happy" when I was learning new things. After I got to the point where I could operate on automatic, I had to find something else to learn.
Milton Glaser's work is so interesting... its so funny you talk about him, I just picked up a book of his various works the other day...
Thank you for this really great episode. It really hit home for me. One small request. While I get that you provide the transcript of your episodes, show notes would be appreciated. Where to get the books/etc you mention without having to sift through the transcript would be appreciated. Thanks again!
Oh, I already HAVE a tested member, thank you very much. ;P Thanks for the videos, Adam!
dude. this was another great video of creative wisdom! 👏 ❤
You are a wise man, Mr Savage.
Adam, thank you for the positive advice. I'm taking the hits
Short answer. No. It's not bad.
Long answer... whats risky is when your in a field that changes rapidly and you become complacent with your skills and stop learning. Your slow to change. Resist change or otherwise rage against it. If your 5 minutes away from retirement. Fine. Be the grumpy old man. Cause it doesn't matter. But your interest and energy to develop your skills should mirror your field. Doesn't mean you have to agree with the direction it's going. But if you feel like you've developed as far as you want to and your field is pressing forward. That's really really bad. You might be the lucky few with the right set of skills but it's more likely you'll find yourself irrelevant passed by or otherwise out of a job. Just matter of time. You might be in the wrong field. I'd say go to management.. but there's enough terrible managers. I hear taco bell Is hiring.
But what if you're running and your field is dragging you.
(I think I have my answer, just don't do web development)
This is the first time I heard about Milton, but he sounds like a genius. I wish I knew about this 10 years ago.
Adam is fun to watch when he builds stuff but every so often he says something so much more important than it has any right to be if you just know him as "that guy from mythbusters". I'm graduating college in less than a week and what he said in response to the first question made me feel about a million times more comfortable than anything my family has.
Adam I already owe you for the whole show tips ❤😊
The most exciting and important build we’ll all ever take on is our own lives.
My wife and I both in our early 50s are in second careers in the medical field. Going back to school for nursing degrees with three kids already in college isn’t going to fly. We’re both happy in our jobs and how we’re making a difference.
We simply evolve as time goes by, imo. Often we can’t see over the hill we’re climbing even though we love the process of climbing that hill.
You could not be more correct about perception. I’m primarily in sales (which really we all are) and I often sell a product that another store could do the same price…as we all pay the same for it. It’s simply perception…
It definitely takes some adjustment going from “I want to get away from X” to “I want to go to Y”
The beauty of being happy where you are is that you can be picky about what you do next. But that first time stepping away from something comfortable and safe into something unknown and risky is always going to be scary. The less you risk the less you stand to gain but it’s okay not to be ambitious. It’s okay to go, I don’t need more than this so why would I risk what I have for something I don’t need.
I've found that there is a very distinct difference between contentment and happiness in a job: Contentment means you're enjoying your job and you're okay to tick along as things are because you like how things are. Happiness means you're enjoying your job but you want to know more about how it works, how you can effect it, how it can be improved, how you can improve and get better at it.
TL:DR Contentment is static, happiness is dynamic
I love my job (I could take or leave my employer, but that’s a different story). I get to do what I love, essentially electrical and mechanical engineering fault finding on the railway, and I get paid for it. But, it does pay to change it up every now and then. In my 17 years with my employer, I’ve moved location 3 times and taken a few promotions. But essentially I still get to do what I wanted to do. My biggest issue is that I really don’t know what’s next. The natural progression role above mine becomes very admin heavy, and I have no particular interest in being someone’s line manager. But my own role can be quite physical at times, and I can’t do it forever. That’s my career dilemma.
I would sincerely hope that!whatever a persons job is they are happy at it.
I feel like these streams are sometimes almost like sermons in a really really good way
The thing is, where you are isn't going to stay that way forever. More than anything, the people there will move on and the culture will shift which has (for me) been reasons for staying or going.
Don't let your contentment from blinding you from opportunities that come along.
I'm 60, worked my whole life mostly at jobs I did not like or actively hated. Not until I started my own business and did what I love did I really enjoy working. Find your passion, do that.
Great video sir
There's a book named: "Love the Work You're With"
The Peter Principle states that, if you perform well in your job, you will likely be promoted to the next level of your organization's hierarchy. You will continue to rise up the ladder until you reach the point where you can no longer perform well. Don’t let others deside what makes you happy, what is good enough and what to pursue. Look inside, not outside.
I work at a mouse farm. i raise mice for pet food. I earn an honest non glamorous life for myself. I am perfectly content. Most people do not understand the power that can come from this. Id never discourage improvement, but do not besmirch contentment.
Great episode as always. Love your bench chats. Please, turn off or shift the light on your mill, it's very hard on the eyes.
No there is nothing wrong with that. If it’s something you love keep doing that. However like so many others have said if you aren’t happy or have health issues in the job then change. May love be with you all :)
I definitely fall into your category and n your later statements
On that last question-just don't! I don't know a single success story of people taking side gigs behind their employers' back, and I know A LOT of examples where it turned pretty ugly pretty fast. If you want to be independent, or just want to dip your toes, speak with your employer and try to find something that will work for both of you, but be prepared to have to give up on one of those things.
👍👍 Very instructive
@tested Looked for the translation of the book you mentioned but couldn't find it. Do you have a link?
Could you give the details of what translation it is? I don’t have Twitter. Thank you
Something I was told a long time ago "Not all business is good for business"
I'm not sure I agree with the term "crisis" to describe the opposite of stasis, and maybe I've just misinterpreted . . . I think there's high traffic time and low traffic time, business and stasis, and it's the transitional times in between that I really cherish. When there's too much business, I shut down really easily. Same with stasis. The transition between the two is where life is, at least IMO.
Adam, have you seen the Starship Enterprise 1:25 scale build by Mr Trek?
Very interesting
Adam thanks.
I have the opposite problem. All I ever wanted as a kid was to be a filmmaker. I wanted to direct and tell stories. My first legit writing and directing job, getting paid to make a short film, a real budget, crew, etc. I HATED IT. I despised every second of it. All of the movies I made in my teens and early 20s, with zero budget, crew being whatever friends showed up that day, no real actors. I thought all of that was lame, just a means to an end, when in reality THOSE were the good times. I never directed again, but I continue to have this problem in virtually every job I land. I do the jobs, I do them well, but I don't enjoy them AT ALL.
Going by what you said there, I assume you were told how the budgeting would work, how crew was to be handled etc, in a: this is how we do things in the grownup movie world kind of way. Because it was your dream, you just rolled with all that.
When really you don't want to work creatively within a framework that's expected of you, but creatively make the framework yourself.
So the best thing would probably be to start your own business so you can do things the way you want. If you feel the administration side of things would get in the way of what you like, you should split it with a friend that's happy to leave the creative side to you as long as they get to play with numbers and paper. (They actually exist)
Really wish people would stop directing followers to other platforms, especially that shit-show of toxicity that is (was) Twitter. I’m tired of having to play hopscotch just to keep up. This is exactly why I stopped collecting comic books back in the early 90’s, when the few I collected regularly sent the storyline off to titles I didn’t collect.
There’s a description box here, put the quote there, or if it’s a scheduling thing, have someone put it in a pinned comment.
I never liked Twitter to begin with, before that jackass took over, and I’m not going to go back just for some smidgen of content “as directed” from CZcams. FFS…
Little did that guy know that you probably HAVE saved the world at least once now.
To sum up.... When it stops being fun and something better comes along, jump on it.
I love my job being a project manager for custom 10k sf houses. Learn new skills everyday watching my subs.
Here's a thing that when you see it, you won't be able to unsee it... I have COVID right now and my temps are up and down and round round like record , round round... BUT,
Adam is drinking last night's dish water from that bottle.
I read somewhere that ,"you should never fall in love the you job, because you job will never love you."
I'm in a liminal state, and I got the "lonely" part down...
It's been over a decade doe. 😓
heh Milton very much defined "Typecasting" of actors...
I wanna know if that coworker making fun of you for wanting to do more ever watched MythBusters and thought “Damn, he actually did it”.
Interesting
I’m a professional recruiter. My job is to review resumes find candidates and have them come work for us.
The most important thing is to be flexible, and more importantly, to be perceived as flexible. When I see a résumé of someone that’s been doing the same thing with the same company (for 5 years or longer) I look at as someone that may be rigid in their transition process to my company.
My job is also to make data driven decisions, and the law of averages tells me that someone, as I just described, may not be as good as as a fit as someone that has been able to demonstrate that they have successfully transitioned employers.
It would be better to stay in the same industry, doing the same thing with different employers, versus with one employer.
Being able to transition, fluidly from one employer to the next is in itself a skill set that employers look for.
honestly that's wild. It used to be working long-term for a place showed an employee's willingness to build success, now it's just like a mercenary market. Do a little bit and jump to the next. Jumping jobs often, to me, looks like someone has trouble committing and working as part of an organization. I've been at my current company for 8 years making educational content for our school and so now every book the kids use, I made. I went from just being a designer, to being a key player in the curriculum decisions we make. Of course, I work in Korea so I already know my transition back to the US, if and when it happens, won't be easy no matter how many companies I worked for during my tenure here.
@@xraystyle00 The culture in the USA is that everyone and anything can be replaced in an instant. As a professional recruiter a “job hopper” is someone who has several employers within in a 2 year period. A resume tells a story. The story should show upward trajectory as your career trend which is more important then a story of longevity which can be produced simply by doing the same thing without innovation.
Also most companies only expect a finite time with an employee.
You may put in the time but when management or ownership changes hands as it often does the new bosses will not know or care how loyal you were to the last boss. It’s all about what can you do for them now, today.
Set yourself up first.
Im not even happy in my personal life lol, let alone job.
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