Examining Sunni view on Imamah | ep 72 | The Real Shia Beliefs
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- This episode is from Chapter 6 of The Real Shia Beliefs, an academic lecture series by Sayed Muhammad Baqer Qazwini that examines the core beliefs of Shia Muslims through Quranic verses, hadiths, and rational arguments.
View the complete Chapter 6 (Imamate) here: • Chapter 6: Imamate
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Chapter 1 (Prelude): • Chapter 01; Prelude
Chapter 2 (Understanding Allah): • Chapter 2: Understandi...
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Chapter 4 (Angels & Prophets): • Chapter 4: Angels & Pr...
Chapter 5 (Belief in Quran): • Chapter 5: Belief in Q...
Things you'll learn in this episode of The Real Shia Beliefs:
00:00 - Difference between Usool and Furu' of Faith
00:47 - Why there's no Ijtihad in the core of Faith
03:16 - Opinion of Imam Ghazali on Imamah
05:39 - Double minded Sunni approach regarding Imamah
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Masha Allah jizakallah excellent thanks for the heads of the Osoolideen and Foroedeen information really correct
We will suggest if you can share reference that Shias by and large were financially well off.
Interpretations are secondary and what is explicitly stated in revelation and inspiration is a part of obliged faith.
Except for shirk and abandoning prayer or murdering someone said to be Muslim, no disbelief or disobedience takes a person outside of the right to be considered Muslim.
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But I know not of any Sunni who considers anyone of the Shi'a Kuffar simply based on the issue of the the first 3 Khulafa ar-Rashida. You are our brothers in faith. We don't even consider those who curse Saadatana Abu Bakr, 'Umar wa 'Uthman or Umm al-Mu'minin 'Aisha as Kafir but rather as tremendously Fasiq. It's a heinous sin, yes, but not at all kufr. Rather some groups such as the Wahabis generalize all Shi'a based on the kufr of the Ghulat such as the Ismailis who worship Sayyiduna 'Ali. And our contention regarding the issue of the first 3 Khulafa ar-Rashida isn't on the basis of Imama/Khilafa but rather the personal characters of the 3. They, in addition to Saadatana Ali, Hasan wa Husayn are among the closest and the most elite of the Sahaba. Questioning their characters, doubting their intentions, seeing evil in their actions is what we don't accept.
For almost all mainstream Sunni scholars, the issue boils down to the fact that considering Imam Ali as the first Khalifa means the Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman usurped the right and hence questioning their character. And hence anyone who questions their character is a questionable Muslim.
I think it’s pretty obvious to why sunnis have double standards on Imamate🤔
No we don't. Our contention regarding the issue of the first 3 Khulafa ar-Rashida isn't on the basis of Imama/Khilafa but rather the personal characters of the 3. They, in addition to Saadatana Ali, Hasan wa Husayn are among the closest and the most elite of the Sahaba. Questioning their characters, doubting their intentions, seeing evil in their actions is what we don't accept.
@@AshrafAnam Imam Ali and Imam Hassan and Husayn (AS) and Fatima (SA) and the prophet (SAWW) are infallible, in sahih muslim there it says that the prophet those four that i have mentioned (AS) in a cloak, and then he recited the verse (33:33) which makes them infallible, hence to why they are imams in general and in our books the prophet mentions the nine descendants. And in tafsir al tabari says that with an authentic narration that even Imam Al Sajjad (AS) is part of the ahlul kisa, so if Imam Al Sajjad (AS) is a part of it then what about the rest of them, and if they arent a part of it then why is Imam Al Sajjad when he wasnt born at that time. And it includes Imam Al Mehdi (AJF) 😇 because in Sahih Jami at saghir says that with a sahih hadith Imam Al Mehdi (AJF) 😇 Is from the lineage of Fatima Al Zahra (SA).
No, and shias shouldn't either. Shias claim imamah is usool ad Deen, yet there are no explicit verses mentioning it in the Quran. Quran 3:7 says the foundations are all clear and precise in the Quran. You'll find 100% of usools that sunnis believe in within the Quran, clear and precise. But no such verse about imamah exists. The verses shias point to are ambiguous and open to interpretation. Quran 3:7 says about those who go to ambiguous verses and seek an interpretation to them that supports them that they have deviance in their hearts. If the Quran says that the foundations are clearly and precisely in the Quran and imamah has no clear and precise verse then that means it's not an usool. If it's not an usool then Shiism is wrong because it holds imamah to be an usool. Please come to the Islam of ahlul bayt. May Allah guide us all.
We are at episode two of this chapter. And as we go deeper, you will see that Imamah/Khilafah is very much explicitly mentioned in the Quran. And secondly, if you claim that Imamah is not an Usool, then why the fuss? Do you call someone who differs in fiqhi issue to come to Islam of Ahlulbayt?
@@Thaqlain I hope to a clear and explicit verse about the shia concept of imamah. And I expect you won't use ambiguous verses like 5:55 or 33:33.
The fuss is because I wish for people to be guided towards Islam and abandon shiism, just like I did. This isn't a fiqhi issue. It's not usool al fiqh that I'm addressing. It's usool ad deen, and there are no differences of opinion when it comes to usool ad deen.
Have patience this is only the first episode. For myself as a muslim (not a scholar) can give you two 'Adilah' from the quran QURAN - O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Imams) who are in authority.
“And We made from among them Imams guiding by Our command when they were patient and [when] they were certain of Our signs.” - 32:24
@@Eloquence77 I'm aware of both of these verses. Neither one of them is talking about imamah. Imamah is very specific. It's infallible individuals from the lineage of the Prophet PBUH who are his divinely appointed successors. Neither one of those two verses make any mention of that. Like I mentioned, the only verses shias can reference are ambiguous verses, not clear and precise verses as Quran 3:7 says the foundations must be.
"God is one" would be called ambiguous by Sunnis if it helped their narrative (does it mean in number? One with us? one piece? one of us? Friend of us?) Whatever we show you will say not clear cut enough.
Sunni are not muslims , because they shirk in the بيعة of imam ali so they are mushreken
Ahlulbayt will disagree with you on this 🙂
@Thaqlain it's weird that you said this because what I said it comes from ahlulbayt so it comes from Allah عز و جل and here is some proofs
في حديث طويل في كتاب الحتجاج ج.١ ص.٦٩ يقول الله عز و جل لنبيه محمد صل الله عليه وآله وسلم: "(من عرفه كان مؤمنا ومن أنكره كان كافرا ومن أشرك بيعته كان مشركا ومن لقيني بولايته دخل الجنة")
if you say that whom who decline ولاية ali are Muslim so how a Muslim is kafeer and is a mushreek? we continue , if they are muslims the shahadat of Allah and of the prophet is suppose to work on these sunni or is suppose to be accepted from them but Allah talked about this and said
ثُمَّ يَقُولُ الْمُنَادِي أَشْهَدُ أَنْ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ فَيَقُولُ الْخَلَائِقُ كُلُّهُمْ ذَلِكَ إِلَّا مَنْ كَانَ يُشْرِكُ بِاللَّهِ تَعَالَى مِنَ الْمَجُوسِ وَ النَّصَارَى وَ عَبَدَةِ الْأَوْثَانِ فَإِنَّهُمْ يَخْرَسُونَ فَيَبِينُونَ بِذَلِكَ مِنْ سَائِرِ الْخَلَائِقِ ثُمَّ يَقُولُ الْمُنَادِي أَشْهَدُ أَنَّ مُحَمَّداً رَسُولُ اللَّهِ فَيَقُولُهَا الْمُسْلِمُونَ أَجْمَعُونَ وَ يَخْرَسُ عَنْهَا الْيَهُودُ وَ النَّصَارَى وَ سَائِرُ الْمُشْرِكِينَ ثُمَّ يُنَادِي مُنَادٍ آخَرُ مِنْ عَرَصَاتِ الْقِيَامَةِ أَلَا فَسُوقُوهُمْ إِلَى الْجَنَّةِ لِشَهَادَتِهِمْ لِمُحَمَّدٍ(ص)بِالنُّبُوَّةِ فَإِذَا النِّدَاءُ مِنْ قِبَلِ اللَّهِ عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ لَا بَلْ قِفُوهُمْ إِنَّهُمْ مَسْؤُلُونَ يَقُولُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا سُوقُوهُمْ إِلَى الْجَنَّةِ لِشَهَادَتِهِمْ لِمُحَمَّدٍ(ص)بِالنُّبُوَّةِ لِمَا يَقِفُونَ يَا رَبَّنَا (2) فَإِذَا النِّدَاءُ مِنْ قِبَلِ اللَّهِ قِفُوهُمْ إِنَّهُمْ مَسْؤُلُونَ عَنْ وَلَايَةِ عَلِيِّ بْنِ أَبِي طَالِبٍ وَ آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ يَا عِبَادِي وَ إِمَائِي إِنِّي أَمَرْتُهُمْ مَعَ الشَّهَادَةِ بِمُحَمَّدٍ شَهَادَةً أُخْرَى فَإِذَا جَاءُوا بِهَا فَعَظِّمُوا ثَوَابَهُمْ وَ أَكْرِمُوا مَآبَهُمْ وَ إِنْ لَمْ يَأْتُوا بِهَا لَمْ تَنْفَعْهُمُ الشَّهَادَةُ لِمُحَمَّدٍ بِالنُّبُوَّةِ وَ لَا لِي بِالرُّبُوبِيَّةِ فَمَنْ جَاءَ بِهَا فَهُوَ مِنَ الْفَائِزِينَ وَ مَنْ لَمْ يَأْتِ بِهَا فَهُوَ مِنَ الْهَالِكِينَ
So after you read these hadiths that I sent to you , we understand that the word and the meaning of Muslim is only when you have the ولاية of imam ali , because if you don't have it in you , then the شهادة بالله و بمحمد لن تنفع
And then we have hadiths, including the will of Imam Askari to be closely involved with Sunnis, including attending their Janazah. Hence making it a Fiqhi issue. So if it is your personal ijtihad, then it's completely fine. Otherwise, all leading Fuqaha of the present era consider Sunnis except Nasibis as Muslims.
@Thaqlain , well it's not my own ijtihad I gave you hadiths from the from the word of God who am I to be a mujtahid or to be called a mujtahid? And second you said they are hadith from ahlulbayt that said that sunni are muslims , where is these hadiths? What the imam walked in the janaza of a sunni? Like the prophet walked in the janaza of a jew , so that not a proof for saying the sunni are Muslim. So we don't have to do with the opinion of the fuqaha, they are not imams so why don't we only talk about our imams and their holy words because that's matter
From our perspective they are Muslims (the meat they slaughter is halal, they are not najis unless explicitly Nasibi, and everything else). Will God accept their Islam? This is a different question.