I am a white guy and I love this channel! I love this list and you justify everything fairly well. Komova was always waaay overrated! And her fans are always like "Well if she landed her vault, she would have beaten Gabby!" And I am like "Well she decided to take a smoke break at the end of her vault, and she ended up losing to a Black American Girl. and LOST the gold medal!" The Komomafia hardly ever say "If she would have landed her vault she would have won gold" it is always "she would have beaten Gabby" Ugh, racist brats! Love your channel so much!!! I would LOVE to see you talk about overrated or horrible gymnastics coaches!
White girl here. Agree we should be talking about the coaches. They are so abusive and destructive especially destroying young gymnasts bodies for decades down the road. The Karolyi’s were the absolute worst, forcing Strug to run down at value with a broken ankle, the sexual abuse scandal at the camp keeping young girls away from their parents and the emotional mental abuse causing gymnasts have eating disorders. That’s what we should be talking about too.
Her attitude also sucked. When she was in the four way tie for gold on bars at the 2007 worlds, in fairness I do think she should have won on her own there by a tenth or two over any of the others, she was making fun of the other gymnasts on the podium and to her coaches. Mustafina has done some post career interviews she went to congratulate or console Komova at times and got brushed off. Maybe the press is fair and Mustafina isn't the real Russian diva at all as always claimed, it is her teammate.
In fairness to Komova I am sure her career is hard to look at. When she was so dominant in events like the youth games many said she would become one of the best gymnasts ever and dominate. Then she never won a major AA title of any kind, not worlds, not Olympics. Nor an Olympic gold of any kind, not team, not event, again nothing. Her career despite its success, I am sure was a huge flop in her eyes, and it is hard to not be affected by that. I also think it wrong to assume her fans whining about her loss to Gabby are automatically "racist". They whined even more about her loss to Weiber at the 2011 worlds, and some of her other losses, and Gabby was the only one who happened to be black. Her mostly crazy fans think she should have win any event, regardless of mistakes, as long as she doesn't fall 3 times or something. If there is any bias it is not about one of her opponents being black, I suspect it irks them more when she loses to an America, especialy when many of her biggest fans are from Europe or Russia.
@@DouglasAtherton-fd2wrthey definitely wined more about gabby & called gabby Douglas a monkey so wrong. They were way more hype again Gabby than Jordyn. So straight false and delusional in that aspect
I still can’t get over the fact that Jessica Gadirova beat Jordan Chiles in the 2022 floor final. Like COME ON. My girl Jordan was robbed and was still so congratulatory towards Jessica. I know it’s not Jessica’s fault that a lot of judges over score her, but it’s still frustrating to see
@gymlandia4467 I don't really understand that tbh. The one thing that I didn't get in this video is why you say you will never call out scoring unfairness against Chinese or Russian gymnasts. I totally get why you wouldn't fuck with their governments, but these are individual people we are talking about. Would you mind explaining this to me? I am genuinely curious. I commented about this on another video when you mentioned Shang Chunsong's rio scoring and you said you were joking I think.
@@wowlukewalker just because you should never root for another countries that’s enemies of your own. Especially as a DOD member. They would never call out the underscoring of Shilese & Simone. So they won’t get that luxury from me I let y’all draw your own conclusions yet it won’t come from my mouth.
@gymlandia4467 okay, I think I'm starting to get it. Am I correct to say that you feel that you cannot fully separate a gymnast from the country they're representing and that saying they experienced unfairness is implictly advocating for that country?
I’ve never understood why Larisa was SO hyped up. People thought her she would be Simone-level but her difficulty and technique was nowhere near Simone’s
The one thing that I will say in Larisa’s defense is that she was responsible for Simone’s lowest ever margin of victory in a World or Olympic AA final in 2014. Simone won her second AA gold with a score of 60.231 while Larissa took silver with a score of 59.765. Granted, that’s still a pretty wide margin (0.466), but it’s less than half a point. In contrast, Simone beat Kyla Ross in 2013 by a margin of 0.884. So, I could see how in 2014, it looked like Larisa could hypothetically beat Simone if Larisa kept improving and Simone stayed static. Of course, the exact opposite happened, and Simone came back even stronger in 2015 and beat Gabby Douglas in the AA with a score of 60.399 vs. Gabby’s 59.316. (That was the first time that Simone achieved an AA margin of victory over a full point.) Gabby also beat Larisa’s score of 59.107 by almost 0.2. Basically, Simone kept getting better, while Larisa’s best, most consistent, least injured year was 2014. But even in 2014, Simone was still pretty definitively the best in the world, and Langston is right that some of Larisa’s fans were definitely projecting Great White Hope expectations onto her.
What you’re saying about Komova is so true. She absolutely was amazing, especially on bars, but the way her Stans view her, she’s still overrated. (I kinda think that she should’ve beaten Wieber in Tokyo because of Wieber’s bars, but Gabby Douglas in London was better in the AA than Komova in Tokyo and in London, and anyone who denies that is delusional.) But honestly, you’re being very fair to everyone here. I think that it’s really clear that you’re attacking how the gymnasts are perceived, not them.
I think Melanie DJDS is overrated. She is soooo inconsistent and she has been hyped up since 2017/2018. At least Flavia has an individual medal (I expected a beam medal though, not floor lol), Melanie still doesn't have one. I also think Sanne Wevers is overrated since she is super inconsistent, although her Rio gold is much deserved. I think Georgia Villa from Italy was also expected to be the next big thing after winning the Youth Olympics in 2018 but she just doesn't meet expectations - although she did contribute to the 2019 team bronze medal at Worlds. I think Jordan Chiles is a lil bit overrated and had a lot of domestic overscoring in 2021, but I want to see her 2024 performances before making final judgements. I think Grace should be #1 overrated, like why is her low difficulty routines out there representing the USA. Her Tokyo performances are not great. I agree with Riley, Katelyn and Maggie's inclusion! Jessica is the most overscored gymnast this quad but I think her floor and vault are well-scored, buttt her beam was 13.7 at best - scoring the same as Pauline Scahfer is a massive disgrace to the sport. Within the US, Leanne is kinda overrated in this quad so far, she does not have the difficulty or will make any event final, same as Kayla Dicello, and Joscelyn Roberson, but still tbh on all 3 gymnasts I disagree with Larisa Lordache - she was truly amazing in 2014 and represented Romania well. I disagree with Komova too, she won silver medals in AA twice, and her bars is amazing. She also had an Amanar, her floor is overrated though but overall, I think she was a great gymnast. It was a fantastic duel between Gabby and Komova in 2012 - both deserved to win gold but Gabby was simply better on the day. I disagree with Flavia too, she's actually fantastic on beam and floor, and had a good DTY which is an asset to Brazil. She used to have 3 acro series in her beam routine - BHS + LOSO + LOSO, the BHS + Layout, and Front Aerial + Front Aerial + Side Somi. Jordyn Wieber is interesting... I did not expect her placement in this list. Her gymnastics is not fantastic but she did win medals in 2011, and did qualify in #4 All Around at London with a great Amanar, great floor, sus beam and bars. Just a correction: she was expected to outscore Aly Raisman, not Gabby. Gabby was always going to qualify for the All Around after outscoring Jordyn in American Cup 2012 and Trials. Aly being the second qualifier overall was a shock.
MDJS I understand yet she’s been around for less time than Flavia. Also MDJS was hyped up in 2018 and 19. My point about Komova and Larisa was the racism and etc compared to gabby and Simone. I said they were excellent gymnast yet multiple things can be true at once. I agree on Georgia Villa as well. There will be a part too. Jordan Chiles never had much support outside the black community tho. Many on the gymternet always bashed her because of racism. Flavia is also gassed up compared to Rebeca and has achieved little for how long she’s been competing. She has great potential yet that hasn’t turned into results. Yet Aly outscored gabby in the AA tho in QF. So for Jordyn to qualify gabby would’ve been the one she would’ve had to pass. This was due to gabby scoring so bad on FX because of her huge mistake in QF.
@@gymlandia4467 MDJS has to be on the list but that's my opinion. Yes, she was a major (and only? lol) factor into their team bronze in 2023, but like had multiple times to medal but faltered in floor/AA/bars finals. I think the most prominent example is Tokyo uneven bars final, 2019 AA final, 2023 AA final, 2018 floor final. She's almost as inconsistent as Grace (e.g. not too many falls but little stumbles) Jordan is so amazing and I root for her due to her crazy fun floor routines and as a UCLA Bruin. She was a force to be reckoned with in 2022 but with all these gymnasts coming back, I realize her shine is not that bright. Like having a half-on, half-off vault is not that impressive anymore, even if it's clean - I am praying for a Cheng. Secondly, the problem is not artistry but her leaps/dance skills. This hinders her beam a lot - routine construction can also be much better. She also has the potential to seriously go 14.5 on floor but is limited due to the lack of D-level leaps and turns. She is counting 4 C skills right now on floor, the Johnson, split 1/1, front 1/1 tumble, and L-Hop. I need her to play it smart and be clean in 2024. I won't put her on the list but I used to expect her to be the third AAer in the US, but it's definitely not 100% anymore. It will be interesting to see who wins the third AA spot behind Simone and Shi - there's Suni, Jordan, Kayla, Leanne, Gabby, Skye, maybe Jade. Jordan can very well prove all of us wrong. I think Rebeca was pretty gassed up, I mean she qualified third in Rio AA. I think the 3 ACL injuries held her back and kept her out of the headlines - I did not expect her success at Tokyo and the reveal of her Cheng was amazinggg. On the other hand, I have always perceived Flavia as a beam specialist for many years but not AAer or even a floor worker until recently. She did make a million beam finals (like Lordache) but always flopped on the BHS + Layout. I will say she has some of the best artistry the sport has seen in the last decade. Her floor and beams are always good, albeit inconsistent. She was never famous for being AA and thus I don't think she's overrated. Yeah, Aly was super surprising in London - her winning a beam medal is the craziest thing to me. I personally think she's overrated because her leaps and turns are just not it. HOWEVER (1) her medal counts don't lie (2) her consistency on vault, floor and beam is actually incredible, and (3) the COP at that time don't care about execution that much. Also thanks for your vids! I am missing gymnastics in this 'dry' season - you should post more :) I think your best video is the debate regarding 2023 worlds selection because it changed my mind in a lot of ways, e.g. grace should not be there
@@ansonpang they never expected Rebeca to medal at all tho. While numerous did have Flavia winning medals. You just said you didn’t expect Rebeca to win anything in Tokyo. Yet Flavia was expected to win things nymphs times.
@@gymlandia4467 That's very fair tbh. I never expected Rebeca to medal. I have heard her name many times but did not truly pay attention up until Tokyo where she truly shined. I love to support Suni but I honestly wished Rebeca stayed in bounds on floor and won the AA gold! I think the judges were going to give it to her. Flavia's beam was always amazing, like Lordache. But they do keep on falling on their layout and tucked full combo lines... I think Flavia made like 5 finals with 2 in Rio and Tokyo, and Lordache made a similar amount of finals. Meanwhile, Simone has like 6-7 medals on beam lmao and people still doubt Simone
I don’t think Giorgia Villa can be defined as overrated, since she never really had the occasion to be rated (?!) if you understand what I mean, except for Worlds 2019. She’s been basically injured or partially injured all of her senior career, but of course when someone won in their junior years is gonna be put on the radar. Her situation reminds me of a less achieving Kyla Ross, great athlete, but her growth spurt caused her too many troubles,Giorgia is more than 5’5, and won’t never recover her shape, even if she’s trying she’s basically unable to do backward elements, she is in constant pain and is very illnesses prone, I don’t see her making it to Paris either. It’s just one of the many who will go through that, that is sport unfortunately
@@gymlandia4467 I didn’t say they weren’t 🤣 I agree they are BOTH overrated, but Grace is surely more than Flavia. I wouldn’t put them “side by side” in a “overrating raking”. I kinda get tho.
Totally disagree. Grace was always blasted for not being good enough and flavia has always been SO heavily thought of as great. Every year people said “omg she’s gonna medal this year” even though her difficulty wasn’t high enough. Of course last year she broke the streak which was iconic
I am an open minded white woman and always interested in cultural and race opinions. I am a good listener and have empathy. You won’t hear anything negative from me. Speak your mind gurl! I am here to listen 👍
Glad Ohashi on here. Every time I see folks rehash any of her viral floor routines and you go to the comment section. It’s always “better than Simone” “Simone can’t do this” “Simone lucky she struggled with injuries” etc. Its laughable.
Yeah that's actually a legitimate joke. Simone can do literally anything and not that she needs to prove anything, but she HAS proven that over and over. Simone is the best in the world. I really don't think anyone will ever be better than her.
I'm not really in the gymternet aside from on youtube, so I didn't realize most of these girls were being hyped like that. Komova had such a gorgeous arabian on beam, but she also had form and execution issues that were inexplicable. I never thought most of these girls were on the same level as Simone, Rebeca, or Gabby at her best, and it's strange than anyone ever thought that. I mean, I kinda think Aly Raisman is a bit overrated based on her bars and vault form. And Angelina Melnikova being the best that Russia has at the moment is kinda sad. But some of these girls you mention were also really unlucky because they had injuries and bad coaches. Also, having big expectations put on you, like with Flavia and Jordyn, can be really hard. I liked Maggie better as a college gymnast.
Jordyn I agree. Again, not really praised by gymternet I think, but by USA Gymnastics. She was put on the pedestal ever since the Tyson American Cup. She beats Aliya at the 2011 American Cup in the most… rigged ass way. I’m American but that was some bullshit. Not her fault, but again, put on a pedestal. Then she you know… beats Viktoria which was debatable. USA Gymnastics expected her to win the Olympic All around no question. Even when Gabby beat her at the 2012 American Cup as an extra. Even when Gabby beat her at trials. And they slept on Aly because I KNOW they did not expect Aly to get her vault/floor upgrade together to snatch that spot from her at the Olympics.
Gabby earned her gold on the day. Komova gave it away on vault. Gabby was consistent. I had trouble watching Komova because she gave vibes of a bad attitude or giving up. Komova was told she would be champion her whole life. Gabby just kept getting better. People can have a preference and an opinion but you can’t take Gabbys achievements away from her. And she’s done more than one Olympic cycle.
Just heard the comment about grace’s technique. Delusional. Her technique had always been extremely solid on all four events. The only considerable issue is her flexed feet on some uneven bars skills. I don’t know why so many people think her form was shit when it was very solid.
whew!! I was worried you were gonna say Aly Raisman at #1. We'd have had some words if that had happened. 🤣 For myself, I considered Mustafina as possibly overated, because though I'm a big fan of her, she's been a huge beneficiary of the "2 person per country" rule, allowing her to win medals in finals because she didn't have to go against three Americans that finished higher than her in the preliminary rounds. Edit: I'm not sure if Jordan Wieber was as overrated as you say, because I remember in the run-up to the 2012 Olympics, Time Magazine had 6 alternative covers for their Olympics preview issue, and one of those covers had Gabby on the cover instead of Jordan (the other 5 covers were for sports other than gymnastics). So Gabby was getting at least some national media props that Jordan wasn't getting.
Mustafina was a better gymnast than Weiber & Aly. I think she was equal or a little worse than Weiber in 2012 & similar to gabby & Aly in 16. Yet her peak is better than all except gabby. I do feel like Aly Raisman is overrated yet not top 10. Her leaps, tumbling form, and gymnastics would score a lot worse now. Yet I appreciate your support
@@gymlandia4467 for me, I wouldn’t say that Aly Raisman was underrated because the gymternet has pretty consistently attacked her form. Tbh, I think that Raisman gets underrated because people focus so much on her flaws that they overlook her strengths and accomplishments. I think that she gets pretty similar treatment to Jade Carey in that regard.
@@asharadayne6159 gurl why you up at this time 🤣🤣. I hear that yet people do gas Aly up compared to gabby & Simone. She does get criticism yet she also gets handed gifts often times dealing with race. Considering her and gabby got the same score and e score on BB in Rio QF and she got a 14.7 on UB 🤣🤣 in QF.
@@gymlandia4467 🤣 it’s only a little after midnight where I am, and I was up late finishing midterm grades. 😭 Anyway, you have a point there about times where Aly was overrated or overscored.
Você não conhece nada sobre o cenário brasileiro e trás a pauta racial de maneira extremamente caricata, forçada para provar seu ponto. Rebeca no juvenil era conhecida como "O fenômeno Rebeca Andrade", Flávia somente conseguiu chamar atenção a partir das olímpiadas da juventude de 2014, mesma olímpiada em que ela era reserva da rebeca que por uma infelicidade se lesionou e não pode competir.
Welp y’all flavia stans needa stop dragging Shilese in particular and bashing Rebeca. Also they did rest flavia in the AA in Rio so she could get bronze. “Pick up your feelings”
Cheguei a conclusão que é isso mesmo, apenas caricata. Até porque se fomos falar sobre atletas superestimada estaria lá lista, Chiles, shilese (solo horrível), carey, a única que sustenta e banca é a biles mesmo e olhe lá.
Quando eu vi a Flavinha na capa do vídeo já achei piada. Todo mundo sabe que o time do Brasil se sustenta hoje com Rebeca e Flávia, sem uma das duas não brigamos por medalha alguma. Então jamais Flávia pode ser considerada superestimada pq contribui e muito para a seleção.
@@arafasantosGrace, Maggie, & Wieber in particular contributed to the team she’s still overrated. She was expected to win medals and failed to do that for 8 years
É muito triste escutar esse comentários principalmente de uma pessoa marginalisada pela sociedade. 1. Komovo deu sua vida para ginástica, 2012 foi sua única olimpíadas, os treinadores russos quebram o corpo dela por medalhas, o corpo e a carreira de uma mulher foi tomanda, e agora a única coisa que são esses comentários, dizendo que ela nao merece o pouco que conseguio conquistar. 2. Como brasileiro, o brasil adora REDECA ANDREDA, inúmeros artistas principalmente pessoas prestas adoram Rebeca. 3. Flavia sempre teve mais foco porque durante as olimpíadas em 2016, ela tinha as maiores notas dentre as outras atletas, ela era uma criança que tinha acabado de fazer 16 anos, ela ja cimentou que nao entedia porque as pessoas gostavam tanto dela, ela era apenas uma adolescente estremamente talentosa, em 2016 REBECA E FLÁVIA eram as únicas que podiam ganhar medalhas mais infelizmente elas comentaram erros. 3. Inúmeras entrevista REBECA E FLÁVIA, ja falaram sobre sua relação, elas se consideram irmas, quando rebeca quis desistir flavia apoiou ela e disse nao, quando flavia quis desistir rebeca disse não e apoio. 4. Acho que a grande maioria nao entende a relação de uma mulher preta e uma mestiça, as pessoas dos estados unidos adoram a romantização do apartai. 5. Por fim, o Brasil vai trazer resultados increveis em Páris, atenas espere e assita.
Flavia is considered a white Brazilian. I have hella Afro Brazilian subscribers and numerous non-black ones who agreed. Komova is an excellent gymnast which I said yet she was mainly empowered to tear down Gabby. The same way Flavia is to empower Shilese & Rebeca.
Gymlandia, let me say that I RESPECT that you have the strength to make videos like this…people are too afraid to say something that would be preceived as “hateful” and “controversial” but I can’t help but respect that you’re able to say the good and the bad !
I’m from Brazil and I must agree about Flavia. Even if after all the Rebeca’s conquers people talk more about Flavia in TV, for exemple. It’s such a shame but it’s true. Among all the famous gymnasts Brazil has ever had Rebeca has never gained a proper spotlight. Amost nobody knows about her, the ONLY black athlete.
De fato, o Brasil só foi conhecer Rebeca na Rio 16 por conta das inúmeras lesões. O hype da Flávia é porque ela já havia tido sua estreia internacional com bons resultados em anos anteriores Rebeca só foi "estrear" internacionalmente em 2016.
That is so weird considering how much more attention she's gotten in the US compared to Flavia. Very unfortunate because Rebeca deserves all the recognition in the world
I never really comment on the internet in general, especially the gymternet lol but I wanted to say that I appreciate hearing your point of view and listening to what you have to say. Keep doing your thing, looking forward to more episodes!
I will forever think that Grace being on the Olympic team was a result of team USA's panic of seeing how close they were of having a non-white team USA (exclude the 2 individual gymnasts)
LMAO RIDICULOUS - Skinner was next in the rankings after Grace. Your statement is also implying that if Morgan Hurd were her 2020 self or Shilese had beem back then what she is now that they would have been left off so there could be a white Perron on the team… LMAO
@@PeirsolFan2 Morgan Hurd was injured so no, not sure where you got that. When they do the analysis, they factor in results from nationals along with Olympic trials, which puts Leanne Wong ahead of skinner. Even Dicello also beat skinner with all 4 competitions combined. Also, it was skinner's floor and vault that really gives her the boost. Her strength on the team would be if she only contributed those two events, but given what happened, she would have had to go up on beam and bars. That would have destroyed the team score
i completely agree i will never forgive them for putting grace mcallum on that after her performance at two other worlds and at the trials. Definitely woulda picked leanne wong over her
Também ñ acho a flávia uma das ginastas mais inconsistentes que existem, já perdeu a chance de ganhar muitas medalhas em mundiais e até olimpíadas, mas acredito que no floor na parte artística ela é uma das melhores dos últimos anos, o floor dela de 2019 até hoje eu não superei 😔 na beam idem, a forma como ela executa alguns elementos, ela é uma referência nesse aparelho
@@iliitchwieopw sim, ela sempre foi mediana. O destaque dela é quando acerta sua trave (devido a execução, já q a dificuldade não é tanta comparada a outras) e sua parte artística no solo. Acho comparável com a Melanie, por exemplo.
Hahahaha I’m first time viewer and the opening made me subscribe!!! I agree with so much of this! Grace…I’ll never understand!!!! I couldn’t believe she made the Olympic team!!! Also the Flavia thing!! She was cute in Rio but I didn’t even know Rebecca was as there and that’s an injustice! I also agree with Jordan!!! Sent me I love it! Also I’m a competitive cheerleading coach and man, I’m about to make as channel for myself serving this energy to the cheer world because we need it!!!So amen 🙏
I don't think she was overrated. She deserved gold on uneven bars at both Olympics, the only sus medal is really the bronze AA medal at Rio and maybe her floor medal at London. Mustafina is really a legend, and is the Holy Trinity of gymnastics since the open code began in 2006, alongside Simone and Rebeca (the only gymnasts who have medaled on every event, vault, bars, beam, floor at the Worlds/Olympics level)
@@ansonpang I agree with you. She is one of the best bar workers ever. She was very flexible and had good turns. She always had lots of difficulty and that's one of the main reasons she was so succesful. She was good on the double backflip elements (bars, beam and floor). I was only pointing out the twisting form on her the single flip elements, which were bad. She always had legs very crossed and bent legs, which besides being deducted are also very dangerous (which was one of the causes of her ligament injury on her 2011 vault imo). And since both her vaults, floor and beam dismount, for most of her career, consisted of twisting elements, her execution shouldn't had been considered as good as it was. That's my point. Btw I like mustafina too, shes definitely one of the best in history. Its just an observation i made.
You literally had me jumping up and down, telling my daughter, “I told you”! Everyone on this list is my list. But we all know who controls the narrative. Baaabbby, you keep these videos coming, because I’m glad someone is calling this mess out!😘
You really do not know the sport very well. Andrade was the one the Brazil tooted would be the greatest gymnast of all time, Flavia was just an afterthought, for the Jr Worlds they were going to send REbeca, but she injured herself and Flavia stepped up and took home medals nobody thought she could...Rebeca was acclaimed to be the greatest bars and vault as far back as 2011...she has had 3 knee reconstructions and only now she is coming into her own, not back in 2014 at the International Jr's competition in Japan...2015 Pan Ams, Flavia is the one that wowed, her form and technique are to dream of for any coach hoping to find a gymnast that is the GOAT......sadly she has been inconsistent. Several of these girls you mentioned were merely accident prone, in the case if Riley it is obvious she got injured to escape from the abuse of her coach (the subconscious can work miracles to save us), and her mind just learned to injure the athlete when the pressure was increasing.....in the case of Larisa she often had the whole of the Romanian Gymnastics Federation on her case as they had screwed up and lost all Jr's before they could perform at the Sr level, so oshe had the pressure from her coaches non-stop and she was over-trained....she peaked in 2014-2015 and with the wrong coaches and too much pressure she couldn't shine in Rio....so many gymnasts just are accident prone, others cause it with the subconscious mind because they don't want that level of attention an Olympic medalist can attain..... Ohashi had the capacity to outperform Simone, but she wasn't just horribly injured but she continued to train and compete on the damaged ligaments and tendons in her shoulders and needed 3 different operations so she could never attain her prior level on bars.
Ohasi could’ve never scored a 62-63 like Simone was scoring in the AA so wrong. Lastly you’re gonna stop talking to me like I’m stupid. In terms of the gymternet Flavia has gotten more support and love than Rebeca and it’s clear most people agree with that. Yet calling me stupid and saying I don’t know anything about gymnastics is delusional asf. The audacity of a white person to come on a black channel and say all of that. Perfect example of leaving me a whole “deceleration of independence”.
This is just what I wanted to reply about the nonsense stuff it's said in the video, Flávia was NEVER considered the one to look for in Brazil, she earned spots due to Rebeca injuries and became on focus just because of Rebeca's absence of the biggest competitions in the begin of her international competitive career.
Thank you for the list! Jordyn’s placement is surprising given her history. I think people expected her and Gabby to qualify to the all around final. Aly qualifying was the suprise. I don’t think Weiber was overrated or overhyped by USAG. If anything, they and her coach seemed to overwork her and tear her down to the point of injury in 2012. A healthy Weiber would have made for a very interesting final i 2012 between her, Gabby, and Komova.
Weiber couldn’t have scored a 62 in the AA because of how weak she was on bars. So she had no chance of beating gabby or Komova at her best unless she dramatically improve on UB. Aly outscored gabby in QF people betted on Wieber to win the AA without the math to back it up & the racist correlation to gabby was loud. She was advertised as the best American when clearly gabby was there only hope going into the games. So this an example of overrating her and gassing up her scoring potential that wasn’t realistic. She’d never even scored a 15 internationally on UB ever & that was unlikely to change in London. She was to young to compete in 2009 at the American cup still was allowed too. The 2011 American cup & AA final at worlds were hella controversial victories. Gabby should’ve beaten her at the 2012 American cup.
@@gymlandia4467 mmhmmm I’m not denying what you said. Aly made it through qualifying without major mistakes (despite form errors) but Gabby and Jordyn had issues. Had it been a solid qualifying day for all, it would have been Jordyn and Gabby making it through. I never said Jordyn would beat out Konica or Gabby but her consistency could have put her in the mix with a mistake from either. She would have medaled regardless.
YES! RAGAN SMITH!!! incredibly overrated, even now still in college. One of my least favorite gymnasts. She's alright but she's not all that, never has been all that.
I’m not black, but I was so happy when Gabby won. I’m thrilled that gymnastics is becoming more integrated, and to me Simone is a God. Not only is she the GOAT, but she supports all her team members. I know there is racism. I want to believe things are improving but I keep getting disappointed. I’m so looking forward to shilese’s future.
É por isso e por outras que odiamos americanos sem noção, temos que ouvir uma zé ninguém falando de ginástica como se tivesse alguma relevância. Melhore e estude mais! Flávia é uma guerreira.
@@gymnasticsfans7084how do you know she’s black do you know her? His not spreading hate. He never said that there untalented. Your the one whose spreading shit.
@@gymlandia4467 Quem é você pra afirmar que eu não sou uma mulher negra? Que lógica é essa? A mesma lógica que faz um vídeo sobre atletas "superestimada" no seu olhar nada clínico. Seu vídeo é ruim e seus argumentos são péssimo. Melhore!
I think Jordyn is overhyped, I mean she's has good form especially in vault and floor. If she has better bars and the coaches doesn't help much. Agree with Katelyn, the people said if she... not she is, her beam is iconic but the rest is normal, yes she beats Simone but he early years of Simone she has a lot issues with landings and UB. Jessica is overrated and underrated at the same time, she has a good artistry and this benefits her e-score, and her form isn't that bad (unlike her double double but the cop allows that). But I agree with you she's bad in bars and the beam unlike the artistry is meh I agree so much in Grace, Riley and Maggie Nichols, literally if you don't put Maggie I'm gonna desuscribe 😂, I like the gymnastic since I was child but I'm form a country that only care about football (soccer) and basketball, the others sports doesn't have a place. So I enter in 2020, I don't understand why the people put her in good gymnast and robbed in Rio Trials, like her best events (floor and vault) were the best events for Simone and Aly and they are FAR better than her. WHERE'S MADISON KOCIAN? Literally I think she's deserves the spot in Rio Team because of her UB, but her form and the AA is so overrated.
I agree 100% with this list. But Grace mccallum, Katelyn ohashi, 1000% agree. Never understood why Grace was put in the team…yes she was consistent but was not putting high scores up.
I see Larissa and Flavia in the thumbnail which is crazyyyy. But mother Komova being near this list is wilddddddd. I’m not even gonna bother watching ✌🏼
Even if you saying “controversial” things you’re critiquing the fandom as opposed to tearing down the gymnasts themselves and that’s cool to see. Agree with pretty much everything you said I go subscribe nowww
Not sure I personally would call Flavia Overrated but I do see your point about her being hyped as the next big Brazilian Gymnastics Star over Rebeca Andrade initially. I was introduced to both of them at the 2016 Rio Olympic Games especially because Andrade was Top 2 or 3 Gymnasts after Qualifications and then I paid her extra attention. (I LOVED HER 2016 FLOOR EXERCISE ROUTINE)
If I could make this list over again I’d put flavia number 1. She’s hella overrated obviously not here yet overseas she’s treated like the best thing since sliced bread with no medals to back it up
I randomly found your channel a few months ago and this is YOUR channel that YOU created so you can express yourself ANY way you see fit, PERIOD!!!! What I will say is that I acknowledge the fact that i am very Politically Correct so the language may not always be my particular taste but I hear what you say and can see your POV.
I personally did not have high expectations for Grace McCallum because I knew the type of gymnast she was. In my opinion her and Allen Bower on the MAG side reminded me of each other. She didn't have any one event that was her specialty just a solid AA gymnast to have on a team. She did struggle with inconsistency but overall she was just a solid plug in person.
Such as Kyla Ross in 2012, I think some gymnasts are just meant for team work, such as gymnasts who are strong in AA, and other who are specialist, is just their “role”, I don’t think we should necessarily call reliable but unimpressive gymnasts overrated, it is just who they are.
Maggie Nichols knee injury in April 2016 completely detailed her chances at the 2016 Rio Olympic Games. I do believe if she was healthy she possibly could have knocked off Laurie for the team but not Gabby🤔🤔🤔🤔 who would know 🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾
Maggie would have had to bump off Laurie or even Aly. Since she wasn't competing for the same spot as Gabby or Kocian/Locklear, as those were the bars specialists spots the team needed- Gaby being the strong AAer who was also a bars specialist, and Kocian/Locklear competing for the straight up bars specialist only spot which they could only take one of, hence why Locklear missed. Maggie is not strong enough on bars to make it for bars, so was not competing with either Gabby or Kocian/Locklear.
u we’re absolutely spot on bout komova while she is one of my favorite gymnasts with beautiful lines and artistry the AA dilemma really made her go from great gymnast to overrated bc thats when ppl were using her losing to fuel there racism and hatred towards gabby. I specifically agree with Larisa Iordache simply because of her form (tumbling form) while she is a veteran her tumbling form is a lil iffy and looking back on these gymnasts there “overrated” or super stardom status comes from ppl having a fantasy of them beating another gymnasts when they simply weren’t good enough THEY WERE DEFINITELY GREAT but jus not good enough to beat certain americans. as soon as u announced this vid i KNEW jessica and ragan and grace would be here and while jessica has shown lots of promise on two of the US’ strongest events she is a CLEAR victim of overscoring like 14.200…? fr? i will never forget that score from EF FX in 2022 (her moors is amazing tho) and ragan while a great beam worker her floor scared me a lil ESPECIALLY that double arabian she aint all that and ppl stay bringin up 2017 n she shoulda replaced morgan 🙄 but it didnt happen n morgan is still the better gymnast anyway. Ragan and Riley remind me of grace who was given well a lot of grace and ppl saying she was the MVP of the team in Tokyo and what not and im jus like is the inconsistency invisible to yall ALL THREE OF THEM ARE INCONSISTENT ppl had me lost givin grace all that praise even though she should inconsistency on 2 outta 4 events. and dont even get me started on her silivas goodness gracious. the only problem i have with flavia is her score on floor during FX EF last year idk how she got 13.966 with that double pike landing and form😭(last thing maggie nicholas omg like her form on every event was crazy N PPL STILL WANTED HER TO BE ON THE OLYMPIC TEAM her spot on this list is well deserved i will never like her gymnastics
I think Grace is a great gymnast, but as you said, she was very inconsistent in 2021 and still got picked for the Olympics over Leanne whose form was gorgeous and consistent. I was very surprised that she made the team
Ellie Black should be on here. She’s kind of good I guess and she’s been around forever but some people think she’s the best ever and can do no wrong am I’m just like no, her gymnastics is not great.
(Ellie stan here lol) Ellie Black's gymnastics is really significant, particularly in the context of the country she comes from. She has been a trailblazer for Canadian wag and been the best in the country for many years. Ellie has had huge success at the Pan Am games and gotten three world medals. Furthermore, she has a really hard release skill named after her on bars which is pretty cool. I'm still hoping for her to snatch an Olympic medal and to get a gold at worlds, but that will be largely dependent on her avoiding injury and upgrading a bit more. Now, it terms of people being delusional and thinking she's perfect I'm not about that. She has made a lot of errors in competition and sustained quite a few injuries, particularly from adding vault difficulty when she may have not been ready (see 2012 olympic vault ef and 2019 worlds aa)
jessica is not overrated at all she had the potential to get that bronze this year in AA and silver on floor and maybe bronze on beam (how can you say she is not good on beam, she was on the EF with a 14.000)
Rebeca was always the one we expected great things, pretty much since 2010. The number of injuries, though, did not allow her to be at her best in 2014, 15, 17 and 19. Flavia took the spot and did a pretty good job so far. Could have won beam medals but sure she did an awesome job for Brazil while Rebeca was recovering.
8 years without medaling despite being expected too is the definition of being overrated. How her fans tear down Shilese & Rebeca to uplift Flavia said’s enough too
Rebeca was the only one not delivering for so long, especially in Rio, with the level of investment the Brazilian government put into her. We are so glad that she's a queen now, but without Flavia these past years, Brazil wouldn't have international significance and even finals whatsoever. Considering the Brazilian reality and previous results, only being a finalist multiple times was amazing for Flavia and Brazil. She deserves every acclamation.
@@williamferraz1196 that’s fair yet Flavia was rested in the AA to win a BB medal in Rio & fell. So again I don’t see that as an excuse. The point is she had numerous opportunities and failed to such while many people on the gymternet act like she has all these accomplishments that Wikipedia doesn’t back up. I want her to achieve more yet she should’ve already done that
Maggie was Gymnast A, first to open her mouth about Larry Nassar….even though she cane in 4th at Olympic Trials,…they skipped 3 people to take Gabby in 2016 Im not Sure what the point is of this.
Lmao and they skipped that many to take Maddie & Maroney in 2012 so take that somewhere else. Could she beat gabby at her best because the 2016 American cup said otherwise
@@gymlandia4467 I think Nichols would have had a hard time making the team even at her very best. I remember predicting that in 2015 and nobody believed me, but it was fairly obvious to me then even with her breakout 2015, 2016 was going to be a rough go for her to make the team. Douglas and Kocian (or Locklear) were always going to be taken for bars. I have a very hard time seeing her bumping off Aly for the second vault/floor worker after Simone, even more unlikely since Aly's beam became useable again which it wasn't in 2015 (which Maggie's really never was). That leaves Laurie. Laurie is way stronger on beam than Maggie could ever be, stronger on bars too, and had a team finals worthy floor. Honestly not sure who Maggie could have ever bumped off, would probably have to be Laurie or even more unlikely Aly given the format of the team and their needs, and still very unlikely even at her best. As it was she was far from her best so didn't have a prayer of even an alternate spot at that point.
Naah I’m not finna use my platform to praise white athletes or etc. I’ll give credit where it’s do. Aliya is one of the most accomplished gymnast of all time. I don’t think she’s overrated yet.
I don’t think it has much to do with racism, many were also mad as she lost the AA to Jordyn in 2011, they even mentioned it in the American commentary. Komova’s gymnastics were just more memorable, her AA 2012 floor is in my opinion a masterpiece. The fans were just rooting for her and got disappointed cause she didn’t win
They often called gabby a monkey, an ape, and numerous other racist terms. It was clearly about race when it came to all of them. They never said the things they said about Jordyn they said about gabby. So that’s false
Respectfully, Komova being more memorable is just malarkey. I don't remember shit about her routines, and I recently rewatched many of those competitions just a few months ago. So please chill with that. Also the "fans" you were referring to were white. Because the niggas over here were certainly rooting for Gabby. There's no disappointment if the deserving athlete receives the earned rewards.
@@gymlandia4467It’s funny how the narrative has changed. But we all know once Gabby won, LOTS of people took to criticizing her APPEARANCE rather than critiquing her gymnastics. It was nasty vindictive behavior for their yt fav flopping (yet again).
the reason why people were not talking about rebecca at the time is because of her injuries one after another, and flavia was really promissing, she was not overrated, she really have a lot to show. she also had some injuries that is keeping her from doing her best.. you cant say someone is overrated when she conquered and individual medal and a historical team medal in worlds, even if it took more then 5 years
Any gymnast who hasn’t medaled in that long that’s consistently gassed up is overrated. Numerous gymnast were on that list for the same reason. Flavia has made 6 beam finals and hasn’t medaled in any.
I’m SO HAPPY you included Maggie Nichols. I was not shocked she wasn’t on the 2016 team. After her injury she came back to competition with watered down skills and worse form than before. I hate to say this and I know I’m playing with fire saying it but ima say it anyways…she has the public manipulated that she deserved a spot on the 2016 team because of Athlete A. I’m sorry but I think the selection committee made a great team for Rio, they brought a gold home without her. The public is too soft when they see victims and the victim says “I deserved a spot”. Like of COURSE you’re going to say that, you feel short handed but saying that takes away from the girls who WERE selected. Like it’s a bit selfish if you ask me. What exactly could she have medaled individually in Rio on?
Katelyn is a really great gymnast and lady…that’s why Simone took her on GOLD OVER AMERICA. She’s the Only one,e to ever beat Simone… unfortunately she had a broken back and quite elite, recovered and went to college. Grace earned her spot. Seems like you just wanna put people,down, that’s too bad
I’m entitled to my opinion. In my words “Don’t forget to come and pick up your feelings”. Kyla Ross and Sunisa Lee also beat Simone. Lastly Katelyn Ohashi still couldn’t beat Simone at her best and that’s the point of the video. Grace was inconsistent asf get over it
You want ATTENTION for being Negative…Hmm, no Place for that in Gymnastics, phony fan, we Don’t treat other women this way. Really Last thing I Care about is WHAT you think! Your videos are poor taste, Enjoy being a nasty person
@@gymlandia4467 I’m not 12 have fun with your nasty self…People with CLASS don’t post this nonsense…you want to fight with someone so easy behind a screen…
At the Worlds all you heard was Skye Fall! Leanne She did an Awesome job she did exactly what she needed to do for the Team. (Team Finals Fall on Beam scored less than Skye with 2 Falls and a Horrible Floor) Her purpose of being on the Team was for this scenario. The Commentators and Articles were Slamming Skye and Leanne was talk about as if she did Flawless and hit and will be on the Olympic Team!!!! Leanne was definitely overscored in 2023 and US vs Worlds scores proved that.(They didn't want 4 blacks on the World Team and they're not going to put 4 blacks on the Olympic Team)Simone, Shilese, Gabby, Skye, Jordan, and Kaliya IF THEY ALL HIT PLUS SUNI IM CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE OLYMPIC TEAM WILL LOOK LIKE AND WHAT OVERSCORING WILL COME AND FROM WHO
I would not take Skye & Kaliya to worlds. Skye is too inconsistent and Kaliya adds nothing on all events. I will say I think Leanne was underscored as well as all of USAG & Rebeca.
@@gymlandia4467 Skye has been very inconsistent but with the Amanar, upgraded bars skills, and upgraded beam she could definitely be on a 3 up 3 counts Team depending on Suni and Gabby of course....Kaliya had the highest floor score 2nd to Simone but I definitely felt like Kaliya's beam was over scored in 2023. I love Leanne's Artistry but she finesse her mistakes but they are still mistakes and US ignored them but at Worlds they didn't. Leanne doesn't add anything as well that's why in Team Finals she was only initially doing Beam and that was only because Skye fell in qualifications. She was put on the team for consistency.
Riley though.... The reason was she took the silver at nationals and did 8 out of 8. She was on a roll for a minute. I agree she maybe dropped the ball at worlds but she did perform at nationals so that is why they put her up
@@beambreaker could’ve should’ve would’ve. The point of all these gymnasts was to talk about them in conjunction to black athletes. Gabby’s best still oustcored Maggie in 2015. I do agree she could’ve. Yet at her peak she was not a superior gymnast to gabby. Riley definitely deserved to go to worlds in 18 yet people had her beating Morgan which she failed to do. She was hella inconsistent and the privilege she gets compared to Skye Blakely is appalling.
@@gymlandia4467 I understand and I see your view! It's valid!! Absolutely valid. I really think Maggie was great in 15 and I know Riley had issues I loved her work when she was on though. But yes I get your point completely
Not putting same on here is insane. I know you compared a few gymnasts with inconsistencies to her and said you can’t hype up ____ while getting on Skye, but you did essentially the same thing. Oh and saying Katelyn Ohashi wouldn’t beat Kyla Ross is actually ridiculous. Her difficulty was so much higher than Kyla’s even without the many upgrades she could’ve had that it wouldn’t be close unless Katelyn fell, maybe even twice
Kyla Ross was lot better than Katelyn on VT & UB. They were similar on FX. So Kyla was a better AA gymnast in 2013. Lastly I hold Skye accountable consistently on my channel so no
I agree with especially about Flavia Sariava. I have watched gymnastics for a long time and I have never seen someone more hyped up than her. Also, she constantly submits enquires about her score. Flavia won in the jr Olympics and they thought her and Seda Tutkhalyan were going to be the next wave of gold medalists. Also, a lot of people say Simone only has difficulty: it one way that is true just not totally . However, she has no choice. Simone Biles has some of the best technical skills and performance. Her technique is amazing and yet, her execution scores never reflect that. Take 2023 beam final. Simone had an E- score of 8.3. That was just stupid. She didn’t have 1 balance check and she connected everything. That was by far her best beam. Also, check out 2019 vault final; on her 2nd vault they gave her an e-score of 9.66 on perfect form and a stuck landing. I know they do t give out 10’s but come on: if there was ever a reason for a 9.9 I don’t think we will see it. Another thing is the Katelyn Ohashi comparison is ridiculous. She beat Simone in 1 event when Simone was just getting on the scene. It’s crazy that people try to compare college gymnastics to elite; it’s not the same. Ohashi was great at preforming for the crowd. Simone is a fantastic gymnasts.
Simone actually got a 9.666 E on her Amanar in 2019. The broadcasters at NBC messed up and flashed her E score for her Cheng for the Amanar. I agree with pretty much everything else you said though.
Simone didn’t get a 9.33 execution she got a 9.66 in 2019. She had great form but not perfect and she didn’t stick. She for sure got crossed legs plus a step deduction at the very least. I agree her score could hve been higher but people hype up her 2019 vault too much
@@nyree1724there was an error on the screen during the live filming. Her score was a 15.466 from a 15.8 start value. If she got a 9.33 she would have gotten a 15.133 score instead. Please check scores next time
Komova performed beautiful gymnastics but never really played the COP in her favor to compensate for her many weaknesses. She was beautiful to watch. Gabby is great too but I think she relies more on the COP than execution. Iordache was meh at BEST. Her fundamentals were strong and I felt like she was stylistically similar in many ways to the gymnasts of the late 80s-early 90s. Regan smith who?
Gabby’s execution was better than Komova on every event except beam where they scored the same. Gabby also preforms beautiful gymnastics so that’s myth
Well, that's a rough take. You might as well just say you're limiting this to U.S. gymnasts before 2012. If you had, it might be a bit easier to understand, but there's 3 or 4 here I would take off the list. Or if you considered the impact of Larry Nasser/coaching abuse on their careers. For example, if Maggie Nichols can be on your list, when she was the first person to come out against Larry Nasser, and you could have picked any number of others, well, it's disappointing. Anyway, I enjoy your technical videos. I'll just stay away from your hot takes.
All the gymnasts on the list were correlated to black gymnasts who were bashed to empower them. Many people gassed up Maggie to tear down Gabby even though she lacked the ability to achieve what gabby did and etc.
@@michaelwilson8591 it clearly did for multiple folks sir reading my comments, this channel is dedicated to black womens issues. Black issues in general
Ok. So, your intent is to tear them down as equally as black female gymnasts were in the public eye. Got it. Not because those gymnasts actually did anything wrong, nor did any of the (as you correctly pointed out) black gymnasts who received unwarranted criticism or less than their due recognition. Eye for an eye. Cool. You do you.
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I agree with what a lot of what you said, but when you're saying that "nobody saw Rebeca winning all of those medals in 2021," we have to remember two things. (1) This gave Rebeca time to recover from all of her many injuries, and more importantly, (2) if memory serves, no one on earth knew that Rebeca had a Cheng until the Olympics.
In addition, I don't think there was a really strong Maggie Nichols vs Gabby Douglas narrative; everyone knew that they were never going to leave Gabby out of the uneven bars lineup in quals in 2015. I think the real "controversy" was Aly Raisman going up on bars in quals over Maggie Nichols.
@@cameronparker3505 people were mad because they thought gabby shouldn’t have been in AA over her. Same with Laurie in 16 because Aly outscored Gabby at nationals. Rebe had posted numerous cheng training videos tho people just didn’t take it as a serious upgrade.
It is not true in regards to Rebeca Andrade. From her earlty years, she was considered number 1 in Brazil. What happended for foreigners not knowing her and knowing Flávia was that Rebeca had too many injuries
People still betted on flavia winning medals in particular on BB in 2016 which is why teak Brazil rested her. Flavia has more excitement around her than Rebeca ever did & she’s Empowered to tear down black female athletes in particular Shilese jones.
Grace is consistent. THAT is why she made the team. Not to individually win gold, but to contribute decent, additive scores to the overall total. And she did that. They have to build a team that gives the highest probability of medaling, not the greatest team ever on the chance everyone hits.
@@justlina2769 Grace was a disappointment every time the US needed her to pull through. Let's not sit here and act like back in 2021 Jade could've definitely contributed more to the team than Grace ever did. I'm not knocking that she was DECENT but it very much gave a white girl whose daddy is on the board (paying the way), as an outsider looking in. That's just me though. Yall wanna act like the proof aint in the pudding
@@trinitislaughter2688 Um, hardly!!! After Simone botched her first vault and scored what she did, the US was out of the gold completely, the BEST they could do was silver, and they did. And Jade didn't even place on vault because she screwed up. So don't go touting her instead!
I agree with most of the list, but i’m from brazil and rebeca has aways been more famous than flavia. But in 2014 rebeca got injured and flavia became the youth olimpic champion on floor, and rebeca had never competed in a big event until rio and that is why flavia went to 2016 olympics as a favorite to win a medal.and later of 2016 rebeca got more 2 ACL and was not able to go to worlds so… You can say flavia is overrated, but it has nothing to do with rebeca.
But to be fair flavia gets a lot more love from fans and that’s obvious. I really see any Brazilian say anything bad about Flavia but quick to say Shii about rebe.
@@gymlandia4467 i understand. But that is because flavia is really charismatic and friendly outside the gym world. So people here really root for her because of that. Flavia is like simone in terms of charisma. But you are right, she is been competing since 2016 and yet didn’t accomplished much in terms of BB and FX, because she is not even quoted in the AA competition.
@@Moreninhah123 Simone biles receives numerous attacks as well as Rebeca. It’s mainly because Flavia is a white Brazilian she’s also empowered to tear down Shilese jones which I’ve exposed. Similar to grace & Riley she’s just praised for being mediocre
Please stop cussing and being judgmental about the USA gymnasts,they are all very deeply strongly talented athletes and don’t need judged and disrespectful towards the future,they are always going to be very good!!! Your talking is very very inappropriate sorry to say but I don’t try to be rude or judge mental,I am have epilepsy and more health concerns but I can be independent and responsible for myself.
And continuing to grow there are hella gymnasts who are fans of me this is sport. People curse about basketball& football. Again you took the time to watch my stuff 😂
Jo's issue wasn't so much bars but those raggedy ass connections on beam. Connections she was told for a year wouldn't be created in London. IMO the most overrated gymnast in history is Aly Raisman. I'll never forgive that 14.7
The 14.8 on BB and 15.8 on VT too 😂. Yet Aly did achieve a lot more than Weiber. Jordyn still lacked the scoring potential on UB to keep up with Komova and win the AA title.
Her form on Vault, her double Arabian off beam, her tumbling is a lie 😩🤣, clearly most agreed in the comments. It’s the racism compared gabby that got her put on this list. “Don’t forget to come and pick up your feelings”.
Tbh, I think that the real problem was the new open-ended scoring system. Gymnasts who'd competed during the last years of the 10.0 system had to adjust fast, and from 2006-2008, they had to count their top 10 skills on every event except vault vs. having to count 8 now. You were also allowed to do five tumbling passes on floor, which was pretty much a requirement if you wanted to win a medal, and it's really difficult to fit any kind of artistry or choreography into ninety seconds when you have to jam in that much tumbling too. The UB routines under that code looked super draining too.
100% correct on Saravia. Aside from her rings nothing stands out as being truly exceptional. I’m not sure I would consider Grace as overrated. Many were critical of how she showed difficulty in training that never materialized as actual upgrades.
Komova was the great white hope! They really wasn’t even celebrating Gabby they were too busy feeling sad for Komova. Just like when Jordyn didn’t make the AA. But she never stood a chance. Gabby deserved so much more from us in 2012 and 2016 but ok. Jessica G is so overscored it’s ridiculous. At 2022 and 2023 worlds compared to shilese both years and Jordan chiles fx 2022. At 2022 world Jessica was way too close to Shi in the AA. Her bars had so many errors and the way they gave Shi and her the same execution score on beam way crazy . The way they played in Jordan face in the floor finals. Then this year Jessica G scored within .2 of Simone bffr. Ragen, Riley, and Grace are not even worth me discussing. They are ok gymnasts hell even good but nawl they weren’t it. Skye Leanne and Kayla Dicello will make all them look bad on their bad day!
I am a white guy and I love this channel! I love this list and you justify everything fairly well. Komova was always waaay overrated! And her fans are always like "Well if she landed her vault, she would have beaten Gabby!" And I am like "Well she decided to take a smoke break at the end of her vault, and she ended up losing to a Black American Girl. and LOST the gold medal!" The Komomafia hardly ever say "If she would have landed her vault she would have won gold" it is always "she would have beaten Gabby" Ugh, racist brats! Love your channel so much!!! I would LOVE to see you talk about overrated or horrible gymnastics coaches!
White girl here. Agree we should be talking about the coaches. They are so abusive and destructive especially destroying young gymnasts bodies for decades down the road. The Karolyi’s were the absolute worst, forcing Strug to run down at value with a broken ankle, the sexual abuse scandal at the camp keeping young girls away from their parents and the emotional mental abuse causing gymnasts have eating disorders. That’s what we should be talking about too.
Her attitude also sucked. When she was in the four way tie for gold on bars at the 2007 worlds, in fairness I do think she should have won on her own there by a tenth or two over any of the others, she was making fun of the other gymnasts on the podium and to her coaches. Mustafina has done some post career interviews she went to congratulate or console Komova at times and got brushed off. Maybe the press is fair and Mustafina isn't the real Russian diva at all as always claimed, it is her teammate.
In fairness to Komova I am sure her career is hard to look at. When she was so dominant in events like the youth games many said she would become one of the best gymnasts ever and dominate. Then she never won a major AA title of any kind, not worlds, not Olympics. Nor an Olympic gold of any kind, not team, not event, again nothing. Her career despite its success, I am sure was a huge flop in her eyes, and it is hard to not be affected by that.
I also think it wrong to assume her fans whining about her loss to Gabby are automatically "racist". They whined even more about her loss to Weiber at the 2011 worlds, and some of her other losses, and Gabby was the only one who happened to be black. Her mostly crazy fans think she should have win any event, regardless of mistakes, as long as she doesn't fall 3 times or something. If there is any bias it is not about one of her opponents being black, I suspect it irks them more when she loses to an America, especialy when many of her biggest fans are from Europe or Russia.
@@DouglasAtherton-fd2wrthey definitely wined more about gabby & called gabby Douglas a monkey so wrong. They were way more hype again Gabby than Jordyn. So straight false and delusional in that aspect
Vika had the perfect classical Russian style. Unfortunately she didn't reach her full potential. Love Gabby, too, by the way.
I still can’t get over the fact that Jessica Gadirova beat Jordan Chiles in the 2022 floor final. Like COME ON. My girl Jordan was robbed and was still so congratulatory towards Jessica. I know it’s not Jessica’s fault that a lot of judges over score her, but it’s still frustrating to see
They wanted to communicate to the world that they want more artistry. And Gadirova's artistry was WAY higher than Jordan's. But, Jordan has responded.
@@justlina2769 they wanted more whiteness 👀
she was not robbed
her floor is amazing, on the other events pretty overscored i agree
@@ilaria.acquaroli a 14.2 🥴 and scoring 2 tenths less than Simone in QF. A higher e score than Shilese & Rebeca on BB In QF.
@@gymlandia4467 this doesn’t mean she is overrated but overscored, different
I don't believe in country over everything but Gabby beat Komova fair and square. Komova f'ed up her vault and that's that.
Thank you! We can argue about overall aesthetics and shit like that. But on that day, Gabby was the better gymnast. Period.
I believe in country over everything
@gymlandia4467 I don't really understand that tbh. The one thing that I didn't get in this video is why you say you will never call out scoring unfairness against Chinese or Russian gymnasts. I totally get why you wouldn't fuck with their governments, but these are individual people we are talking about. Would you mind explaining this to me? I am genuinely curious. I commented about this on another video when you mentioned Shang Chunsong's rio scoring and you said you were joking I think.
@@wowlukewalker just because you should never root for another countries that’s enemies of your own. Especially as a DOD member. They would never call out the underscoring of Shilese & Simone. So they won’t get that luxury from me I let y’all draw your own conclusions yet it won’t come from my mouth.
@gymlandia4467 okay, I think I'm starting to get it. Am I correct to say that you feel that you cannot fully separate a gymnast from the country they're representing and that saying they experienced unfairness is implictly advocating for that country?
I’ve never understood why Larisa was SO hyped up. People thought her she would be Simone-level but her difficulty and technique was nowhere near Simone’s
The one thing that I will say in Larisa’s defense is that she was responsible for Simone’s lowest ever margin of victory in a World or Olympic AA final in 2014. Simone won her second AA gold with a score of 60.231 while Larissa took silver with a score of 59.765. Granted, that’s still a pretty wide margin (0.466), but it’s less than half a point. In contrast, Simone beat Kyla Ross in 2013 by a margin of 0.884. So, I could see how in 2014, it looked like Larisa could hypothetically beat Simone if Larisa kept improving and Simone stayed static. Of course, the exact opposite happened, and Simone came back even stronger in 2015 and beat Gabby Douglas in the AA with a score of 60.399 vs. Gabby’s 59.316. (That was the first time that Simone achieved an AA margin of victory over a full point.) Gabby also beat Larisa’s score of 59.107 by almost 0.2.
Basically, Simone kept getting better, while Larisa’s best, most consistent, least injured year was 2014. But even in 2014, Simone was still pretty definitively the best in the world, and Langston is right that some of Larisa’s fans were definitely projecting Great White Hope expectations onto her.
What you’re saying about Komova is so true. She absolutely was amazing, especially on bars, but the way her Stans view her, she’s still overrated. (I kinda think that she should’ve beaten Wieber in Tokyo because of Wieber’s bars, but Gabby Douglas in London was better in the AA than Komova in Tokyo and in London, and anyone who denies that is delusional.)
But honestly, you’re being very fair to everyone here. I think that it’s really clear that you’re attacking how the gymnasts are perceived, not them.
I think Melanie DJDS is overrated. She is soooo inconsistent and she has been hyped up since 2017/2018. At least Flavia has an individual medal (I expected a beam medal though, not floor lol), Melanie still doesn't have one. I also think Sanne Wevers is overrated since she is super inconsistent, although her Rio gold is much deserved. I think Georgia Villa from Italy was also expected to be the next big thing after winning the Youth Olympics in 2018 but she just doesn't meet expectations - although she did contribute to the 2019 team bronze medal at Worlds. I think Jordan Chiles is a lil bit overrated and had a lot of domestic overscoring in 2021, but I want to see her 2024 performances before making final judgements.
I think Grace should be #1 overrated, like why is her low difficulty routines out there representing the USA. Her Tokyo performances are not great. I agree with Riley, Katelyn and Maggie's inclusion! Jessica is the most overscored gymnast this quad but I think her floor and vault are well-scored, buttt her beam was 13.7 at best - scoring the same as Pauline Scahfer is a massive disgrace to the sport. Within the US, Leanne is kinda overrated in this quad so far, she does not have the difficulty or will make any event final, same as Kayla Dicello, and Joscelyn Roberson, but still tbh on all 3 gymnasts
I disagree with Larisa Lordache - she was truly amazing in 2014 and represented Romania well. I disagree with Komova too, she won silver medals in AA twice, and her bars is amazing. She also had an Amanar, her floor is overrated though but overall, I think she was a great gymnast. It was a fantastic duel between Gabby and Komova in 2012 - both deserved to win gold but Gabby was simply better on the day. I disagree with Flavia too, she's actually fantastic on beam and floor, and had a good DTY which is an asset to Brazil. She used to have 3 acro series in her beam routine - BHS + LOSO + LOSO, the BHS + Layout, and Front Aerial + Front Aerial + Side Somi.
Jordyn Wieber is interesting... I did not expect her placement in this list. Her gymnastics is not fantastic but she did win medals in 2011, and did qualify in #4 All Around at London with a great Amanar, great floor, sus beam and bars. Just a correction: she was expected to outscore Aly Raisman, not Gabby. Gabby was always going to qualify for the All Around after outscoring Jordyn in American Cup 2012 and Trials. Aly being the second qualifier overall was a shock.
MDJS I understand yet she’s been around for less time than Flavia. Also MDJS was hyped up in 2018 and 19. My point about Komova and Larisa was the racism and etc compared to gabby and Simone. I said they were excellent gymnast yet multiple things can be true at once. I agree on Georgia Villa as well. There will be a part too. Jordan Chiles never had much support outside the black community tho. Many on the gymternet always bashed her because of racism. Flavia is also gassed up compared to Rebeca and has achieved little for how long she’s been competing. She has great potential yet that hasn’t turned into results. Yet Aly outscored gabby in the AA tho in QF. So for Jordyn to qualify gabby would’ve been the one she would’ve had to pass. This was due to gabby scoring so bad on FX because of her huge mistake in QF.
@@gymlandia4467 MDJS has to be on the list but that's my opinion. Yes, she was a major (and only? lol) factor into their team bronze in 2023, but like had multiple times to medal but faltered in floor/AA/bars finals. I think the most prominent example is Tokyo uneven bars final, 2019 AA final, 2023 AA final, 2018 floor final. She's almost as inconsistent as Grace (e.g. not too many falls but little stumbles)
Jordan is so amazing and I root for her due to her crazy fun floor routines and as a UCLA Bruin. She was a force to be reckoned with in 2022 but with all these gymnasts coming back, I realize her shine is not that bright. Like having a half-on, half-off vault is not that impressive anymore, even if it's clean - I am praying for a Cheng. Secondly, the problem is not artistry but her leaps/dance skills. This hinders her beam a lot - routine construction can also be much better. She also has the potential to seriously go 14.5 on floor but is limited due to the lack of D-level leaps and turns. She is counting 4 C skills right now on floor, the Johnson, split 1/1, front 1/1 tumble, and L-Hop. I need her to play it smart and be clean in 2024. I won't put her on the list but I used to expect her to be the third AAer in the US, but it's definitely not 100% anymore. It will be interesting to see who wins the third AA spot behind Simone and Shi - there's Suni, Jordan, Kayla, Leanne, Gabby, Skye, maybe Jade. Jordan can very well prove all of us wrong.
I think Rebeca was pretty gassed up, I mean she qualified third in Rio AA. I think the 3 ACL injuries held her back and kept her out of the headlines - I did not expect her success at Tokyo and the reveal of her Cheng was amazinggg. On the other hand, I have always perceived Flavia as a beam specialist for many years but not AAer or even a floor worker until recently. She did make a million beam finals (like Lordache) but always flopped on the BHS + Layout. I will say she has some of the best artistry the sport has seen in the last decade. Her floor and beams are always good, albeit inconsistent. She was never famous for being AA and thus I don't think she's overrated.
Yeah, Aly was super surprising in London - her winning a beam medal is the craziest thing to me. I personally think she's overrated because her leaps and turns are just not it. HOWEVER (1) her medal counts don't lie (2) her consistency on vault, floor and beam is actually incredible, and (3) the COP at that time don't care about execution that much.
Also thanks for your vids! I am missing gymnastics in this 'dry' season - you should post more :) I think your best video is the debate regarding 2023 worlds selection because it changed my mind in a lot of ways, e.g. grace should not be there
@@ansonpang they never expected Rebeca to medal at all tho. While numerous did have Flavia winning medals. You just said you didn’t expect Rebeca to win anything in Tokyo. Yet Flavia was expected to win things nymphs times.
@@gymlandia4467 That's very fair tbh. I never expected Rebeca to medal. I have heard her name many times but did not truly pay attention up until Tokyo where she truly shined. I love to support Suni but I honestly wished Rebeca stayed in bounds on floor and won the AA gold! I think the judges were going to give it to her.
Flavia's beam was always amazing, like Lordache. But they do keep on falling on their layout and tucked full combo lines... I think Flavia made like 5 finals with 2 in Rio and Tokyo, and Lordache made a similar amount of finals. Meanwhile, Simone has like 6-7 medals on beam lmao and people still doubt Simone
I don’t think Giorgia Villa can be defined as overrated, since she never really had the occasion to be rated (?!) if you understand what I mean, except for Worlds 2019. She’s been basically injured or partially injured all of her senior career, but of course when someone won in their junior years is gonna be put on the radar. Her situation reminds me of a less achieving Kyla Ross, great athlete, but her growth spurt caused her too many troubles,Giorgia is more than 5’5, and won’t never recover her shape, even if she’s trying she’s basically unable to do backward elements, she is in constant pain and is very illnesses prone, I don’t see her making it to Paris either. It’s just one of the many who will go through that, that is sport unfortunately
Grace is DEFINITELY more overrated than Flavia
By who?
They were both on the list 🤣🤣
@@gymlandia4467 I didn’t say they weren’t 🤣 I agree they are BOTH overrated, but Grace is surely more than Flavia.
I wouldn’t put them “side by side” in a “overrating raking”. I kinda get tho.
Totally disagree. Grace was always blasted for not being good enough and flavia has always been SO heavily thought of as great. Every year people said “omg she’s gonna medal this year” even though her difficulty wasn’t high enough. Of course last year she broke the streak which was iconic
@@colesmith7509 grace is definitely put on a pedestal. Her whole rise reeks of racism
I am an open minded white woman and always interested in cultural and race opinions. I am a good listener and have empathy. You won’t hear anything negative from me. Speak your mind gurl! I am here to listen 👍
If Jordan Weiber wasn't on here, I was gonna have an issue! Love this channel!
Glad Ohashi on here. Every time I see folks rehash any of her viral floor routines and you go to the comment section. It’s always “better than Simone” “Simone can’t do this” “Simone lucky she struggled with injuries” etc. Its laughable.
Yeah that's actually a legitimate joke. Simone can do literally anything and not that she needs to prove anything, but she HAS proven that over and over. Simone is the best in the world. I really don't think anyone will ever be better than her.
I'm not really in the gymternet aside from on youtube, so I didn't realize most of these girls were being hyped like that. Komova had such a gorgeous arabian on beam, but she also had form and execution issues that were inexplicable. I never thought most of these girls were on the same level as Simone, Rebeca, or Gabby at her best, and it's strange than anyone ever thought that. I mean, I kinda think Aly Raisman is a bit overrated based on her bars and vault form. And Angelina Melnikova being the best that Russia has at the moment is kinda sad. But some of these girls you mention were also really unlucky because they had injuries and bad coaches. Also, having big expectations put on you, like with Flavia and Jordyn, can be really hard. I liked Maggie better as a college gymnast.
Jordyn I agree. Again, not really praised by gymternet I think, but by USA Gymnastics. She was put on the pedestal ever since the Tyson American Cup. She beats Aliya at the 2011 American Cup in the most… rigged ass way. I’m American but that was some bullshit. Not her fault, but again, put on a pedestal. Then she you know… beats Viktoria which was debatable. USA Gymnastics expected her to win the Olympic All around no question. Even when Gabby beat her at the 2012 American Cup as an extra. Even when Gabby beat her at trials. And they slept on Aly because I KNOW they did not expect Aly to get her vault/floor upgrade together to snatch that spot from her at the Olympics.
Gabby earned her gold on the day. Komova gave it away on vault. Gabby was consistent. I had trouble watching Komova because she gave vibes of a bad attitude or giving up. Komova was told she would be champion her whole life. Gabby just kept getting better. People can have a preference and an opinion but you can’t take Gabbys achievements away from her. And she’s done more than one Olympic cycle.
First of all, LOVE PICK UP YOUR FEELINGS! Second of all, you’re right. 100% right.
Just heard the comment about grace’s technique. Delusional. Her technique had always been extremely solid on all four events. The only considerable issue is her flexed feet on some uneven bars skills. I don’t know why so many people think her form was shit when it was very solid.
I loved watching Viktoria Komava cry when Gabby and Jordyn won lol
A lot of this was weirdly supportive lol
'maggie had horrible form across all events - truth
whew!! I was worried you were gonna say Aly Raisman at #1. We'd have had some words if that had happened. 🤣
For myself, I considered Mustafina as possibly overated, because though I'm a big fan of her, she's been a huge beneficiary of the "2 person per country" rule, allowing her to win medals in finals because she didn't have to go against three Americans that finished higher than her in the preliminary rounds.
Edit: I'm not sure if Jordan Wieber was as overrated as you say, because I remember in the run-up to the 2012 Olympics, Time Magazine had 6 alternative covers for their Olympics preview issue, and one of those covers had Gabby on the cover instead of Jordan (the other 5 covers were for sports other than gymnastics). So Gabby was getting at least some national media props that Jordan wasn't getting.
Mustafina was a better gymnast than Weiber & Aly. I think she was equal or a little worse than Weiber in 2012 & similar to gabby & Aly in 16. Yet her peak is better than all except gabby. I do feel like Aly Raisman is overrated yet not top 10. Her leaps, tumbling form, and gymnastics would score a lot worse now. Yet I appreciate your support
@@gymlandia4467 for me, I wouldn’t say that Aly Raisman was underrated because the gymternet has pretty consistently attacked her form. Tbh, I think that Raisman gets underrated because people focus so much on her flaws that they overlook her strengths and accomplishments. I think that she gets pretty similar treatment to Jade Carey in that regard.
@@asharadayne6159 gurl why you up at this time 🤣🤣. I hear that yet people do gas Aly up compared to gabby & Simone. She does get criticism yet she also gets handed gifts often times dealing with race. Considering her and gabby got the same score and e score on BB in Rio QF and she got a 14.7 on UB 🤣🤣 in QF.
@@gymlandia4467 🤣 it’s only a little after midnight where I am, and I was up late finishing midterm grades. 😭
Anyway, you have a point there about times where Aly was overrated or overscored.
Você não conhece nada sobre o cenário brasileiro e trás a pauta racial de maneira extremamente caricata, forçada para provar seu ponto. Rebeca no juvenil era conhecida como "O fenômeno Rebeca Andrade", Flávia somente conseguiu chamar atenção a partir das olímpiadas da juventude de 2014, mesma olímpiada em que ela era reserva da rebeca que por uma infelicidade se lesionou e não pode competir.
Welp y’all flavia stans needa stop dragging Shilese in particular and bashing Rebeca. Also they did rest flavia in the AA in Rio so she could get bronze. “Pick up your feelings”
Cheguei a conclusão que é isso mesmo, apenas caricata. Até porque se fomos falar sobre atletas superestimada estaria lá lista, Chiles, shilese (solo horrível), carey, a única que sustenta e banca é a biles mesmo e olhe lá.
Rebeca foi MUITO ofuscada após Nanjing e no adulto por Flávia, essa é a verdade.
Quando eu vi a Flavinha na capa do vídeo já achei piada. Todo mundo sabe que o time do Brasil se sustenta hoje com Rebeca e Flávia, sem uma das duas não brigamos por medalha alguma. Então jamais Flávia pode ser considerada superestimada pq contribui e muito para a seleção.
@@arafasantosGrace, Maggie, & Wieber in particular contributed to the team she’s still overrated. She was expected to win medals and failed to do that for 8 years
É muito triste escutar esse comentários principalmente de uma pessoa marginalisada pela sociedade.
1. Komovo deu sua vida para ginástica, 2012 foi sua única olimpíadas, os treinadores russos quebram o corpo dela por medalhas, o corpo e a carreira de uma mulher foi tomanda, e agora a única coisa que são esses comentários, dizendo que ela nao merece o pouco que conseguio conquistar.
2. Como brasileiro, o brasil adora REDECA ANDREDA, inúmeros artistas principalmente pessoas prestas adoram Rebeca.
3. Flavia sempre teve mais foco porque durante as olimpíadas em 2016, ela tinha as maiores notas dentre as outras atletas, ela era uma criança que tinha acabado de fazer 16 anos, ela ja cimentou que nao entedia porque as pessoas gostavam tanto dela, ela era apenas uma adolescente estremamente talentosa, em 2016 REBECA E FLÁVIA eram as únicas que podiam ganhar medalhas mais infelizmente elas comentaram erros.
3. Inúmeras entrevista REBECA E FLÁVIA, ja falaram sobre sua relação, elas se consideram irmas, quando rebeca quis desistir flavia apoiou ela e disse nao, quando flavia quis desistir rebeca disse não e apoio.
4. Acho que a grande maioria nao entende a relação de uma mulher preta e uma mestiça, as pessoas dos estados unidos adoram a romantização do apartai.
5. Por fim, o Brasil vai trazer resultados increveis em Páris, atenas espere e assita.
Flavia is considered a white Brazilian. I have hella Afro Brazilian subscribers and numerous non-black ones who agreed. Komova is an excellent gymnast which I said yet she was mainly empowered to tear down Gabby. The same way Flavia is to empower Shilese & Rebeca.
Gymlandia, let me say that I RESPECT that you have the strength to make videos like this…people are too afraid to say something that would be preceived as “hateful” and “controversial” but I can’t help but respect that you’re able to say the good and the bad !
I’m from Brazil and I must agree about Flavia. Even if after all the Rebeca’s conquers people talk more about Flavia in TV, for exemple. It’s such a shame but it’s true. Among all the famous gymnasts Brazil has ever had Rebeca has never gained a proper spotlight. Amost nobody knows about her, the ONLY black athlete.
i didnt know daiane dos santos was white damn skskskkswkkw
De fato, o Brasil só foi conhecer Rebeca na Rio 16 por conta das inúmeras lesões. O hype da Flávia é porque ela já havia tido sua estreia internacional com bons resultados em anos anteriores Rebeca só foi "estrear" internacionalmente em 2016.
Mas antes da lesão, Rebeca sempre foi a grande promessa do Brasil. Basta ver o tanto de títulos nacionais que ela tem
That is so weird considering how much more attention she's gotten in the US compared to Flavia. Very unfortunate because Rebeca deserves all the recognition in the world
@@colesmith7509 this man is lying lol everybody knows rebeca, she is our star
everybody saw her in Tokyo and everybody knew her fx music
I never really comment on the internet in general, especially the gymternet lol but I wanted to say that I appreciate hearing your point of view and listening to what you have to say. Keep doing your thing, looking forward to more episodes!
I will forever think that Grace being on the Olympic team was a result of team USA's panic of seeing how close they were of having a non-white team USA (exclude the 2 individual gymnasts)
LMAO RIDICULOUS - Skinner was next in the rankings after Grace. Your statement is also implying that if Morgan Hurd were her 2020 self or Shilese had beem back then what she is now that they would have been left off so there could be a white Perron on the team… LMAO
@@PeirsolFan2 Morgan Hurd was injured so no, not sure where you got that. When they do the analysis, they factor in results from nationals along with Olympic trials, which puts Leanne Wong ahead of skinner. Even Dicello also beat skinner with all 4 competitions combined. Also, it was skinner's floor and vault that really gives her the boost. Her strength on the team would be if she only contributed those two events, but given what happened, she would have had to go up on beam and bars. That would have destroyed the team score
nah it's because Tom decided aa ranking was all that mattered
@@--julian_Tom was clearly racist seeing the treatment he gave Riley, Ragan, Grace, and Skinner.
i completely agree i will never forgive them for putting grace mcallum on that after her performance at two other worlds and at the trials. Definitely woulda picked leanne wong over her
Flávia tem momentos super corretos e outros nao tanto, como qualquer outras ginastas, mas é uma das melhores do mundo atualmente.
I didn’t deny that yet like I said multiple things can be true at once.
@@iliitchwieopw uma "mediana" que tem medalha mundial e várias medalhas pan americanas
@@Stephan6510a world medal after 8 years competing. A pan am medal is regional means little. There are numerous European champs and etc
Também ñ acho a flávia uma das ginastas mais inconsistentes que existem, já perdeu a chance de ganhar muitas medalhas em mundiais e até olimpíadas, mas acredito que no floor na parte artística ela é uma das melhores dos últimos anos, o floor dela de 2019 até hoje eu não superei 😔 na beam idem, a forma como ela executa alguns elementos, ela é uma referência nesse aparelho
@@iliitchwieopw sim, ela sempre foi mediana. O destaque dela é quando acerta sua trave (devido a execução, já q a dificuldade não é tanta comparada a outras) e sua parte artística no solo.
Acho comparável com a Melanie, por exemplo.
Hahahaha I’m first time viewer and the opening made me subscribe!!! I agree with so much of this! Grace…I’ll never understand!!!! I couldn’t believe she made the Olympic team!!! Also the Flavia thing!! She was cute in Rio but I didn’t even know Rebecca was as there and that’s an injustice! I also agree with Jordan!!! Sent me I love it! Also I’m a competitive cheerleading coach and man, I’m about to make as channel for myself serving this energy to the cheer world because we need it!!!So amen 🙏
I think mustafina was very overated too. Her twisting form were horrendous in all apparatuses.
I don't think she was overrated. She deserved gold on uneven bars at both Olympics, the only sus medal is really the bronze AA medal at Rio and maybe her floor medal at London. Mustafina is really a legend, and is the Holy Trinity of gymnastics since the open code began in 2006, alongside Simone and Rebeca (the only gymnasts who have medaled on every event, vault, bars, beam, floor at the Worlds/Olympics level)
@@ansonpang I agree with you. She is one of the best bar workers ever. She was very flexible and had good turns. She always had lots of difficulty and that's one of the main reasons she was so succesful. She was good on the double backflip elements (bars, beam and floor). I was only pointing out the twisting form on her the single flip elements, which were bad. She always had legs very crossed and bent legs, which besides being deducted are also very dangerous (which was one of the causes of her ligament injury on her 2011 vault imo). And since both her vaults, floor and beam dismount, for most of her career, consisted of twisting elements, her execution shouldn't had been considered as good as it was. That's my point.
Btw I like mustafina too, shes definitely one of the best in history. Its just an observation i made.
You literally had me jumping up and down, telling my daughter, “I told you”! Everyone on this list is my list. But we all know who controls the narrative. Baaabbby, you keep these videos coming, because I’m glad someone is calling this mess out!😘
You really do not know the sport very well. Andrade was the one the Brazil tooted would be the greatest gymnast of all time, Flavia was just an afterthought, for the Jr Worlds they were going to send REbeca, but she injured herself and Flavia stepped up and took home medals nobody thought she could...Rebeca was acclaimed to be the greatest bars and vault as far back as 2011...she has had 3 knee reconstructions and only now she is coming into her own, not back in 2014 at the International Jr's competition in Japan...2015 Pan Ams, Flavia is the one that wowed, her form and technique are to dream of for any coach hoping to find a gymnast that is the GOAT......sadly she has been inconsistent.
Several of these girls you mentioned were merely accident prone, in the case if Riley it is obvious she got injured to escape from the abuse of her coach (the subconscious can work miracles to save us), and her mind just learned to injure the athlete when the pressure was increasing.....in the case of Larisa she often had the whole of the Romanian Gymnastics Federation on her case as they had screwed up and lost all Jr's before they could perform at the Sr level, so oshe had the pressure from her coaches non-stop and she was over-trained....she peaked in 2014-2015 and with the wrong coaches and too much pressure she couldn't shine in Rio....so many gymnasts just are accident prone, others cause it with the subconscious mind because they don't want that level of attention an Olympic medalist can attain..... Ohashi had the capacity to outperform Simone, but she wasn't just horribly injured but she continued to train and compete on the damaged ligaments and tendons in her shoulders and needed 3 different operations so she could never attain her prior level on bars.
Ohasi could’ve never scored a 62-63 like Simone was scoring in the AA so wrong. Lastly you’re gonna stop talking to me like I’m stupid. In terms of the gymternet Flavia has gotten more support and love than Rebeca and it’s clear most people agree with that. Yet calling me stupid and saying I don’t know anything about gymnastics is delusional asf. The audacity of a white person to come on a black channel and say all of that. Perfect example of leaving me a whole “deceleration of independence”.
This is just what I wanted to reply about the nonsense stuff it's said in the video, Flávia was NEVER considered the one to look for in Brazil, she earned spots due to Rebeca injuries and became on focus just because of Rebeca's absence of the biggest competitions in the begin of her international competitive career.
@@arthurvanellisilva9603 Brazil rested her in 16 for a beam medal. Numerous Brazilians disagreed & regardless pick up your feelings
Not keen on this kind of divisive criticism of young gymnasts. I loved both Vika AND Gabby.
It was a response to the racist treatment that gabby received by the gymnastic community. Again “pick up your feelings”
Jess Gadirova is just 19. Why not support instead of critique?
Thank you for the list! Jordyn’s placement is surprising given her history. I think people expected her and Gabby to qualify to the all around final. Aly qualifying was the suprise. I don’t think Weiber was overrated or overhyped by USAG. If anything, they and her coach seemed to overwork her and tear her down to the point of injury in 2012. A healthy Weiber would have made for a very interesting final i 2012 between her, Gabby, and Komova.
Weiber couldn’t have scored a 62 in the AA because of how weak she was on bars. So she had no chance of beating gabby or Komova at her best unless she dramatically improve on UB. Aly outscored gabby in QF people betted on Wieber to win the AA without the math to back it up & the racist correlation to gabby was loud. She was advertised as the best American when clearly gabby was there only hope going into the games. So this an example of overrating her and gassing up her scoring potential that wasn’t realistic. She’d never even scored a 15 internationally on UB ever & that was unlikely to change in London. She was to young to compete in 2009 at the American cup still was allowed too. The 2011 American cup & AA final at worlds were hella controversial victories. Gabby should’ve beaten her at the 2012 American cup.
@@gymlandia4467 mmhmmm I’m not denying what you said. Aly made it through qualifying without major mistakes (despite form errors) but Gabby and Jordyn had issues. Had it been a solid qualifying day for all, it would have been Jordyn and Gabby making it through. I never said Jordyn would beat out Konica or Gabby but her consistency could have put her in the mix with a mistake from either. She would have medaled regardless.
YES! RAGAN SMITH!!! incredibly overrated, even now still in college. One of my least favorite gymnasts. She's alright but she's not all that, never has been all that.
I’m not black, but I was so happy when Gabby won. I’m thrilled that gymnastics is becoming more integrated, and to me Simone is a God. Not only is she the GOAT, but she supports all her team members. I know there is racism. I want to believe things are improving but I keep getting disappointed. I’m so looking forward to shilese’s future.
É por isso e por outras que odiamos americanos sem noção, temos que ouvir uma zé ninguém falando de ginástica como se tivesse alguma relevância. Melhore e estude mais! Flávia é uma guerreira.
A non-black Brazilian bashing a black person what’s new 😩.
She's black, man! Stop spreading shit all around this platform!! @gymlandia4467
@@gymnasticsfans7084how do you know she’s black do you know her? His not spreading hate. He never said that there untalented. Your the one whose spreading shit.
@@gymlandia4467 Quem é você pra afirmar que eu não sou uma mulher negra? Que lógica é essa? A mesma lógica que faz um vídeo sobre atletas "superestimada" no seu olhar nada clínico. Seu vídeo é ruim e seus argumentos são péssimo. Melhore!
@@marcellalunna3457welp my fans disagree you can leave my channel tho your profile photo said’s so. You’re just salty because Flavia is on the list
I think Jordyn is overhyped, I mean she's has good form especially in vault and floor. If she has better bars and the coaches doesn't help much.
Agree with Katelyn, the people said if she... not she is, her beam is iconic but the rest is normal, yes she beats Simone but he early years of Simone she has a lot issues with landings and UB.
Jessica is overrated and underrated at the same time, she has a good artistry and this benefits her e-score, and her form isn't that bad (unlike her double double but the cop allows that). But I agree with you she's bad in bars and the beam unlike the artistry is meh
I agree so much in Grace, Riley and Maggie Nichols, literally if you don't put Maggie I'm gonna desuscribe 😂, I like the gymnastic since I was child but I'm form a country that only care about football (soccer) and basketball, the others sports doesn't have a place. So I enter in 2020, I don't understand why the people put her in good gymnast and robbed in Rio Trials, like her best events (floor and vault) were the best events for Simone and Aly and they are FAR better than her.
WHERE'S MADISON KOCIAN? Literally I think she's deserves the spot in Rio Team because of her UB, but her form and the AA is so overrated.
you don´t know anythig about gymnastics
Clearly I do if you hurt because Flavia on here say that 😩🤣
100% agree, she also hates white people and has a foul mouth.
I agree 100% with this list. But Grace mccallum, Katelyn ohashi, 1000% agree. Never understood why Grace was put in the team…yes she was consistent but was not putting high scores up.
She wasn’t even consistent 🤣🤣 which the screen recordings proved
This vid had me cackling all the way through 🤣🤣 loved your opinions and insights
I keep saying Jessica gets handouts for being brit and white and get downvoted on reddit lol
You're spot on. It's the damn truth.
I see Larissa and Flavia in the thumbnail which is crazyyyy. But mother Komova being near this list is wilddddddd. I’m not even gonna bother watching ✌🏼
It’s there perception that’s overrated lmao 🥴. Not themselves. Yet personally you still clicked so thanks for helping my algorithm
@@gymlandia4467 ofc another CZcamsr using cheap and tacky clickbait 😄 class act.
@@kjmo10 of course colonizer on a pro black channel 😩. “Pick up your feeling” 🤣
Calling white people who never had anything to do with colonization "colonizers" is so ridiculous@@gymlandia4467
@@colesmith7509patrolling a black space and telling me what to do exactly what colonialism is 💀.
Even if you saying “controversial” things you’re critiquing the fandom as opposed to tearing down the gymnasts themselves and that’s cool to see. Agree with pretty much everything you said I go subscribe nowww
Much appreciated 🩶 yet clearly some folks can’t take it that way ❤️. I’ll be uploading later today check it out pls
Not sure I personally would call Flavia Overrated but I do see your point about her being hyped as the next big Brazilian Gymnastics Star over Rebeca Andrade initially. I was introduced to both of them at the 2016 Rio Olympic Games especially because Andrade was Top 2 or 3 Gymnasts after Qualifications and then I paid her extra attention. (I LOVED HER 2016 FLOOR EXERCISE ROUTINE)
If I could make this list over again I’d put flavia number 1. She’s hella overrated obviously not here yet overseas she’s treated like the best thing since sliced bread with no medals to back it up
I never saw what people saw in grace mccallum.
I randomly found your channel a few months ago and this is YOUR channel that YOU created so you can express yourself ANY way you see fit, PERIOD!!!! What I will say is that I acknowledge the fact that i am very Politically Correct so the language may not always be my particular taste but I hear what you say and can see your POV.
I personally did not have high expectations for Grace McCallum because I knew the type of gymnast she was. In my opinion her and Allen Bower on the MAG side reminded me of each other. She didn't have any one event that was her specialty just a solid AA gymnast to have on a team. She did struggle with inconsistency but overall she was just a solid plug in person.
Such as Kyla Ross in 2012, I think some gymnasts are just meant for team work, such as gymnasts who are strong in AA, and other who are specialist, is just their “role”, I don’t think we should necessarily call reliable but unimpressive gymnasts overrated, it is just who they are.
Maggie Nichols knee injury in April 2016 completely detailed her chances at the 2016 Rio Olympic Games. I do believe if she was healthy she possibly could have knocked off Laurie for the team but not Gabby🤔🤔🤔🤔 who would know 🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾
Maggie would have had to bump off Laurie or even Aly. Since she wasn't competing for the same spot as Gabby or Kocian/Locklear, as those were the bars specialists spots the team needed- Gaby being the strong AAer who was also a bars specialist, and Kocian/Locklear competing for the straight up bars specialist only spot which they could only take one of, hence why Locklear missed. Maggie is not strong enough on bars to make it for bars, so was not competing with either Gabby or Kocian/Locklear.
u we’re absolutely spot on bout komova while she is one of my favorite gymnasts with beautiful lines and artistry the AA dilemma really made her go from great gymnast to overrated bc thats when ppl were using her losing to fuel there racism and hatred towards gabby. I specifically agree with Larisa Iordache simply because of her form (tumbling form) while she is a veteran her tumbling form is a lil iffy and looking back on these gymnasts there “overrated” or super stardom status comes from ppl having a fantasy of them beating another gymnasts when they simply weren’t good enough THEY WERE DEFINITELY GREAT but jus not good enough to beat certain americans. as soon as u announced this vid i KNEW jessica and ragan and grace would be here and while jessica has shown lots of promise on two of the US’ strongest events she is a CLEAR victim of overscoring like 14.200…? fr? i will never forget that score from EF FX in 2022 (her moors is amazing tho) and ragan while a great beam worker her floor scared me a lil ESPECIALLY that double arabian she aint all that and ppl stay bringin up 2017 n she shoulda replaced morgan 🙄 but it didnt happen n morgan is still the better gymnast anyway. Ragan and Riley remind me of grace who was given well a lot of grace and ppl saying she was the MVP of the team in Tokyo and what not and im jus like is the inconsistency invisible to yall ALL THREE OF THEM ARE INCONSISTENT ppl had me lost givin grace all that praise even though she should inconsistency on 2 outta 4 events. and dont even get me started on her silivas goodness gracious. the only problem i have with flavia is her score on floor during FX EF last year idk how she got 13.966 with that double pike landing and form😭(last thing maggie nicholas omg like her form on every event was crazy N PPL STILL WANTED HER TO BE ON THE OLYMPIC TEAM her spot on this list is well deserved i will never like her gymnastics
I think Grace is a great gymnast, but as you said, she was very inconsistent in 2021 and still got picked for the Olympics over Leanne whose form was gorgeous and consistent. I was very surprised that she made the team
Ellie Black should be on here. She’s kind of good I guess and she’s been around forever but some people think she’s the best ever and can do no wrong am I’m just like no, her gymnastics is not great.
She did win medals in the AA in 2017 & won some prestigious medals in 2022. You could make an argument yet top 10 idk
(Ellie stan here lol)
Ellie Black's gymnastics is really significant, particularly in the context of the country she comes from. She has been a trailblazer for Canadian wag and been the best in the country for many years. Ellie has had huge success at the Pan Am games and gotten three world medals. Furthermore, she has a really hard release skill named after her on bars which is pretty cool. I'm still hoping for her to snatch an Olympic medal and to get a gold at worlds, but that will be largely dependent on her avoiding injury and upgrading a bit more.
Now, it terms of people being delusional and thinking she's perfect I'm not about that. She has made a lot of errors in competition and sustained quite a few injuries, particularly from adding vault difficulty when she may have not been ready (see 2012 olympic vault ef and 2019 worlds aa)
Lmaoooo the beginning 😂 perioddddddd
jessica is not overrated at all
she had the potential to get that bronze this year in AA and silver on floor and maybe bronze on beam (how can you say she is not good on beam, she was on the EF with a 14.000)
The screenshots of her leaps and etc. she has hella form errors the judges look past and that’s my point.
Good
@@gymlandia4467 overscored doesnt mean overrated
+remember judges watch the routine once in normal speed, so is easier to find form deductions
Rebeca was always the one we expected great things, pretty much since 2010. The number of injuries, though, did not allow her to be at her best in 2014, 15, 17 and 19. Flavia took the spot and did a pretty good job so far. Could have won beam medals but sure she did an awesome job for Brazil while Rebeca was recovering.
8 years without medaling despite being expected too is the definition of being overrated. How her fans tear down Shilese & Rebeca to uplift Flavia said’s enough too
Rebeca was the only one not delivering for so long, especially in Rio, with the level of investment the Brazilian government put into her. We are so glad that she's a queen now, but without Flavia these past years, Brazil wouldn't have international significance and even finals whatsoever. Considering the Brazilian reality and previous results, only being a finalist multiple times was amazing for Flavia and Brazil. She deserves every acclamation.
@@williamferraz1196 that’s fair yet Flavia was rested in the AA to win a BB medal in Rio & fell. So again I don’t see that as an excuse. The point is she had numerous opportunities and failed to such while many people on the gymternet act like she has all these accomplishments that Wikipedia doesn’t back up. I want her to achieve more yet she should’ve already done that
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Maggie was Gymnast A, first to open her mouth about Larry Nassar….even though she cane in 4th at Olympic Trials,…they skipped 3 people to take Gabby in 2016 Im not Sure what the point is of this.
Lmao and they skipped that many to take Maddie & Maroney in 2012 so take that somewhere else. Could she beat gabby at her best because the 2016 American cup said otherwise
@@gymlandia4467 YOU ARE RACIST CONGRATULATIONS
@@gymlandia4467 I think Nichols would have had a hard time making the team even at her very best. I remember predicting that in 2015 and nobody believed me, but it was fairly obvious to me then even with her breakout 2015, 2016 was going to be a rough go for her to make the team. Douglas and Kocian (or Locklear) were always going to be taken for bars. I have a very hard time seeing her bumping off Aly for the second vault/floor worker after Simone, even more unlikely since Aly's beam became useable again which it wasn't in 2015 (which Maggie's really never was). That leaves Laurie. Laurie is way stronger on beam than Maggie could ever be, stronger on bars too, and had a team finals worthy floor. Honestly not sure who Maggie could have ever bumped off, would probably have to be Laurie or even more unlikely Aly given the format of the team and their needs, and still very unlikely even at her best. As it was she was far from her best so didn't have a prayer of even an alternate spot at that point.
langston what do you think about Queen Mustafina? you should do a top 10 favorite white gymnasts list😂😂😂😂 they’d really be mad
Naah I’m not finna use my platform to praise white athletes or etc. I’ll give credit where it’s do. Aliya is one of the most accomplished gymnast of all time. I don’t think she’s overrated yet.
11:12 RILEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ANOTHER ONE FROM THE RACIST GROUP!!!!
I don’t think it has much to do with racism, many were also mad as she lost the AA to Jordyn in 2011, they even mentioned it in the American commentary. Komova’s gymnastics were just more memorable, her AA 2012 floor is in my opinion a masterpiece. The fans were just rooting for her and got disappointed cause she didn’t win
They often called gabby a monkey, an ape, and numerous other racist terms. It was clearly about race when it came to all of them. They never said the things they said about Jordyn they said about gabby. So that’s false
Komova isn’t more memorable than gabby lmao so that’s false. And her 2012 floor would score a lot worse now because of form and low chest on landings.
Respectfully, Komova being more memorable is just malarkey. I don't remember shit about her routines, and I recently rewatched many of those competitions just a few months ago. So please chill with that. Also the "fans" you were referring to were white. Because the niggas over here were certainly rooting for Gabby. There's no disappointment if the deserving athlete receives the earned rewards.
@@gymlandia4467It’s funny how the narrative has changed. But we all know once Gabby won, LOTS of people took to criticizing her APPEARANCE rather than critiquing her gymnastics. It was nasty vindictive behavior for their yt fav flopping (yet again).
the reason why people were not talking about rebecca at the time is because of her injuries one after another, and flavia was really promissing, she was not overrated, she really have a lot to show. she also had some injuries that is keeping her from doing her best.. you cant say someone is overrated when she conquered and individual medal and a historical team medal in worlds, even if it took more then 5 years
Any gymnast who hasn’t medaled in that long that’s consistently gassed up is overrated. Numerous gymnast were on that list for the same reason. Flavia has made 6 beam finals and hasn’t medaled in any.
I’m SO HAPPY you included Maggie Nichols. I was not shocked she wasn’t on the 2016 team. After her injury she came back to competition with watered down skills and worse form than before. I hate to say this and I know I’m playing with fire saying it but ima say it anyways…she has the public manipulated that she deserved a spot on the 2016 team because of Athlete A. I’m sorry but I think the selection committee made a great team for Rio, they brought a gold home without her. The public is too soft when they see victims and the victim says “I deserved a spot”. Like of COURSE you’re going to say that, you feel short handed but saying that takes away from the girls who WERE selected. Like it’s a bit selfish if you ask me. What exactly could she have medaled individually in Rio on?
Katelyn is a really great gymnast and lady…that’s why Simone took her on GOLD OVER AMERICA. She’s the Only one,e to ever beat Simone… unfortunately she had a broken back and quite elite, recovered and went to college. Grace earned her spot. Seems like you just wanna put people,down, that’s too bad
I’m entitled to my opinion. In my words “Don’t forget to come and pick up your feelings”. Kyla Ross and Sunisa Lee also beat Simone. Lastly Katelyn Ohashi still couldn’t beat Simone at her best and that’s the point of the video. Grace was inconsistent asf get over it
You want ATTENTION for being Negative…Hmm, no Place for that in Gymnastics, phony fan, we Don’t treat other women this way. Really Last thing I Care about is WHAT you think! Your videos are poor taste, Enjoy being a nasty person
@@gymlandia4467 I’m not 12 have fun with your nasty self…People with CLASS don’t post this nonsense…you want to fight with someone so easy behind a screen…
I can't wait to see ablack and Asian us olympic team unless decello or jade hit their routine
Dicello is asian too?
Great Video! Keep up the good work!!!
I’m Asian American - and you tell it girl!! 😊
At the Worlds all you heard was Skye Fall! Leanne She did an Awesome job she did exactly what she needed to do for the Team. (Team Finals Fall on Beam scored less than Skye with 2 Falls and a Horrible Floor) Her purpose of being on the Team was for this scenario. The Commentators and Articles were Slamming Skye and Leanne was talk about as if she did Flawless and hit and will be on the Olympic Team!!!! Leanne was definitely overscored in 2023 and US vs Worlds scores proved that.(They didn't want 4 blacks on the World Team and they're not going to put 4 blacks on the Olympic Team)Simone, Shilese, Gabby, Skye, Jordan, and Kaliya IF THEY ALL HIT PLUS SUNI IM CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE OLYMPIC TEAM WILL LOOK LIKE AND WHAT OVERSCORING WILL COME AND FROM WHO
I would not take Skye & Kaliya to worlds. Skye is too inconsistent and Kaliya adds nothing on all events. I will say I think Leanne was underscored as well as all of USAG & Rebeca.
@@gymlandia4467 Skye has been very inconsistent but with the Amanar, upgraded bars skills, and upgraded beam she could definitely be on a 3 up 3 counts Team depending on Suni and Gabby of course....Kaliya had the highest floor score 2nd to Simone but I definitely felt like Kaliya's beam was over scored in 2023. I love Leanne's Artistry but she finesse her mistakes but they are still mistakes and US ignored them but at Worlds they didn't. Leanne doesn't add anything as well that's why in Team Finals she was only initially doing Beam and that was only because Skye fell in qualifications. She was put on the team for consistency.
Riley though.... The reason was she took the silver at nationals and did 8 out of 8. She was on a roll for a minute. I agree she maybe dropped the ball at worlds but she did perform at nationals so that is why they put her up
Also will agree with komova. I absolutely loathe the fact she crys when she looses. She can't accept defeat even when she makes mistakes
I don't agree with Maggie tho. 2016 she came back from injury. She could have beaten gabbie in 2015
@@beambreaker could’ve should’ve would’ve. The point of all these gymnasts was to talk about them in conjunction to black athletes. Gabby’s best still oustcored Maggie in 2015. I do agree she could’ve. Yet at her peak she was not a superior gymnast to gabby. Riley definitely deserved to go to worlds in 18 yet people had her beating Morgan which she failed to do. She was hella inconsistent and the privilege she gets compared to Skye Blakely is appalling.
@@gymlandia4467 I understand and I see your view! It's valid!! Absolutely valid. I really think Maggie was great in 15 and I know Riley had issues I loved her work when she was on though. But yes I get your point completely
What did i roll into? Drama on Drama before he first person on he list. This might have been a great video but I couldnt get far
I understand that yet I face criticism for consistently defending black women. My channel was created to empower them and many folks can’t take that.
Not putting same on here is insane. I know you compared a few gymnasts with inconsistencies to her and said you can’t hype up ____ while getting on Skye, but you did essentially the same thing. Oh and saying Katelyn Ohashi wouldn’t beat Kyla Ross is actually ridiculous. Her difficulty was so much higher than Kyla’s even without the many upgrades she could’ve had that it wouldn’t be close unless Katelyn fell, maybe even twice
Kyla Ross was lot better than Katelyn on VT & UB. They were similar on FX. So Kyla was a better AA gymnast in 2013. Lastly I hold Skye accountable consistently on my channel so no
I agree with especially about Flavia Sariava. I have watched gymnastics for a long time and I have never seen someone more hyped up than her. Also, she constantly submits enquires about her score. Flavia won in the jr Olympics and they thought her and Seda Tutkhalyan were going to be the next wave of gold medalists.
Also, a lot of people say Simone only has difficulty: it one way that is true just not totally . However, she has no choice. Simone Biles has some of the best technical skills and performance. Her technique is amazing and yet, her execution scores never reflect that. Take 2023 beam final. Simone had an E- score of 8.3. That was just stupid. She didn’t have 1 balance check and she connected everything. That was by far her best beam. Also, check out 2019 vault final; on her 2nd vault they gave her an e-score of 9.66 on perfect form and a stuck landing. I know they do t give out 10’s but come on: if there was ever a reason for a 9.9 I don’t think we will see it.
Another thing is the Katelyn Ohashi comparison is ridiculous. She beat Simone in 1 event when Simone was just getting on the scene. It’s crazy that people try to compare college gymnastics to elite; it’s not the same. Ohashi was great at preforming for the crowd. Simone is a fantastic gymnasts.
Simone actually got a 9.666 E on her Amanar in 2019. The broadcasters at NBC messed up and flashed her E score for her Cheng for the Amanar. I agree with pretty much everything else you said though.
Simone didn’t get a 9.33 execution she got a 9.66 in 2019. She had great form but not perfect and she didn’t stick.
She for sure got crossed legs plus a step deduction at the very least. I agree her score could hve been higher but people hype up her 2019 vault too much
@@nyree1724just checked and her second vault got a 9.666
@@nyree1724there was an error on the screen during the live filming. Her score was a 15.466 from a 15.8 start value. If she got a 9.33 she would have gotten a 15.133 score instead. Please check scores next time
Did u see a lot of 4th places Flavia had in floor worlds? We know the name of this in Brazil. She was robbed in 2019 and we did not forget this.
Love this title, lol. Won’t be unsubscribing any time!
Komova performed beautiful gymnastics but never really played the COP in her favor to compensate for her many weaknesses. She was beautiful to watch. Gabby is great too but I think she relies more on the COP than execution. Iordache was meh at BEST. Her fundamentals were strong and I felt like she was stylistically similar in many ways to the gymnasts of the late 80s-early 90s. Regan smith who?
Gabby’s execution was better than Komova on every event except beam where they scored the same. Gabby also preforms beautiful gymnastics so that’s myth
Well, that's a rough take. You might as well just say you're limiting this to U.S. gymnasts before 2012. If you had, it might be a bit easier to understand, but there's 3 or 4 here I would take off the list. Or if you considered the impact of Larry Nasser/coaching abuse on their careers. For example, if Maggie Nichols can be on your list, when she was the first person to come out against Larry Nasser, and you could have picked any number of others, well, it's disappointing. Anyway, I enjoy your technical videos. I'll just stay away from your hot takes.
All the gymnasts on the list were correlated to black gymnasts who were bashed to empower them. Many people gassed up Maggie to tear down Gabby even though she lacked the ability to achieve what gabby did and etc.
@@gymlandia4467 Not sure that reconciles it, but you do you.
@@michaelwilson8591 it clearly did for multiple folks sir reading my comments, this channel is dedicated to black womens issues. Black issues in general
Ok. So, your intent is to tear them down as equally as black female gymnasts were in the public eye. Got it. Not because those gymnasts actually did anything wrong, nor did any of the (as you correctly pointed out) black gymnasts who received unwarranted criticism or less than their due recognition. Eye for an eye. Cool. You do you.
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I don't agree with your choices in reference to Maggie and Jordyn, but we all have freedom of speech 💬
Why don’t you?
Now MAGGIE WAS A BEAST she went to WORLDS and ATE
She had horrible form tho and was gifted with that bronze 😩
@@gymlandia4467 it was all those STUCK LANDINGS lol she was a good “Scottie Pippen” 😂
@@davidtremel4141 the form in the air and she definitely took hops on all of them
@@gymlandia4467 lol I was just thinkin about how she did three events in Qualifications but All Around at Team Finals🤣
I agree with what a lot of what you said, but when you're saying that "nobody saw Rebeca winning all of those medals in 2021," we have to remember two things. (1) This gave Rebeca time to recover from all of her many injuries, and more importantly, (2) if memory serves, no one on earth knew that Rebeca had a Cheng until the Olympics.
In addition, I don't think there was a really strong Maggie Nichols vs Gabby Douglas narrative; everyone knew that they were never going to leave Gabby out of the uneven bars lineup in quals in 2015. I think the real "controversy" was Aly Raisman going up on bars in quals over Maggie Nichols.
@@cameronparker3505 people were mad because they thought gabby shouldn’t have been in AA over her. Same with Laurie in 16 because Aly outscored Gabby at nationals. Rebe had posted numerous cheng training videos tho people just didn’t take it as a serious upgrade.
It is not true in regards to Rebeca Andrade. From her earlty years, she was considered number 1 in Brazil. What happended for foreigners not knowing her and knowing Flávia was that Rebeca had too many injuries
People still betted on flavia winning medals in particular on BB in 2016 which is why teak Brazil rested her. Flavia has more excitement around her than Rebeca ever did & she’s Empowered to tear down black female athletes in particular Shilese jones.
Kim zemekal, not sure if I’m spelling it right, but she was back in the day.
Grace is a waste of a spot. It should have been one of Al Fong gymnast
Grace is consistent. THAT is why she made the team. Not to individually win gold, but to contribute decent, additive scores to the overall total. And she did that.
They have to build a team that gives the highest probability of medaling, not the greatest team ever on the chance everyone hits.
@@justlina2769 I proved she wasn’t consistent 🤣🤣. She bombed every major meet. She never ever qualified to an EF wtf
@@justlina2769 Grace was a disappointment every time the US needed her to pull through. Let's not sit here and act like back in 2021 Jade could've definitely contributed more to the team than Grace ever did. I'm not knocking that she was DECENT but it very much gave a white girl whose daddy is on the board (paying the way), as an outsider looking in. That's just me though. Yall wanna act like the proof aint in the pudding
@@justlina2769 WDYM highest chance of medaling. Have you seen her bars and beam even her floor.
@@trinitislaughter2688 Um, hardly!!!
After Simone botched her first vault and scored what she did, the US was out of the gold completely, the BEST they could do was silver, and they did. And Jade didn't even place on vault because she screwed up. So don't go touting her instead!
Most of these gymnasts are just pitied.
I agree with most of the list, but i’m from brazil and rebeca has aways been more famous than flavia. But in 2014 rebeca got injured and flavia became the youth olimpic champion on floor, and rebeca had never competed in a big event until rio and that is why flavia went to 2016 olympics as a favorite to win a medal.and later of 2016 rebeca got more 2 ACL and was not able to go to worlds so…
You can say flavia is overrated, but it has nothing to do with rebeca.
But to be fair flavia gets a lot more love from fans and that’s obvious. I really see any Brazilian say anything bad about Flavia but quick to say Shii about rebe.
@@gymlandia4467 i understand. But that is because flavia is really charismatic and friendly outside the gym world. So people here really root for her because of that.
Flavia is like simone in terms of charisma. But you are right, she is been competing since 2016 and yet didn’t accomplished much in terms of BB and FX, because she is not even quoted in the AA competition.
@@Moreninhah123 Simone biles receives numerous attacks as well as Rebeca. It’s mainly because Flavia is a white Brazilian she’s also empowered to tear down Shilese jones which I’ve exposed. Similar to grace & Riley she’s just praised for being mediocre
I think they wanted Jordyn instead of ALLY they didn’t see Ally as a Medal Contender
Aly outscored gabby in QF. So gabby would’ve been left off because of the huge mistake on FX.
@@gymlandia4467 I never had a black person to talk gymnastics with Bro so I’m just giving u love right here💛💛💛💪🏾
Please stop cussing and being judgmental about the USA gymnasts,they are all very deeply strongly talented athletes and don’t need judged and disrespectful towards the future,they are always going to be very good!!! Your talking is very very inappropriate sorry to say but I don’t try to be rude or judge mental,I am have epilepsy and more health concerns but I can be independent and responsible for myself.
And continuing to grow there are hella gymnasts who are fans of me this is sport. People curse about basketball& football. Again you took the time to watch my stuff 😂
Uh boy, I feel bad that she has to spend so much time qualifying herself. She’s entitled to her opinion, people, you don’t like it then don’t watch 🙂
Jo's issue wasn't so much bars but those raggedy ass connections on beam. Connections she was told for a year wouldn't be created in London. IMO the most overrated gymnast in history is Aly Raisman. I'll never forgive that 14.7
The 14.8 on BB and 15.8 on VT too 😂. Yet Aly did achieve a lot more than Weiber. Jordyn still lacked the scoring potential on UB to keep up with Komova and win the AA title.
@@gymlandia4467 I forgot that 14.8 on beam when she almost touched it. I don't care what any hoe says, Kitty had a hit out on Gabby in Rio
I definitely agree that Jordyn Weiber is so overrated and I never saw what people saw in grace
Didn’t Ohashi once beat Simone?
I like that u prop up black gymnast they never get as much love!
You on crack if you think Vika is overrated that girl had perfect form.
Her form on Vault, her double Arabian off beam, her tumbling is a lie 😩🤣, clearly most agreed in the comments. It’s the racism compared gabby that got her put on this list. “Don’t forget to come and pick up your feelings”.
Well, l am white and a new sub of yours. Totally agree with what you say. You go, girl! Peace! ✌🏼🙌🏼
You should definitely add ANNA PAVLOVA!!!
Love love love your channel!
I feel like the entire 2008 quad is overrated
Tbh, I think that the real problem was the new open-ended scoring system. Gymnasts who'd competed during the last years of the 10.0 system had to adjust fast, and from 2006-2008, they had to count their top 10 skills on every event except vault vs. having to count 8 now. You were also allowed to do five tumbling passes on floor, which was pretty much a requirement if you wanted to win a medal, and it's really difficult to fit any kind of artistry or choreography into ninety seconds when you have to jam in that much tumbling too. The UB routines under that code looked super draining too.
2008 code was crazy that’s why lol
Ok. We get it. Let's see some gymnastics already. 😊😮😂😢
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What about Rebecca Bross?
Watch part 2 👀
100% correct on Saravia. Aside from her rings nothing stands out as being truly exceptional.
I’m not sure I would consider Grace as overrated. Many were critical of how she showed difficulty in training that never materialized as actual upgrades.
People said she was better than Morgan & Suni. The racism was mad apparent when it came to Grace.
I think that for Grace, being overrated by Tom Forrester counts.
You have several spelling mistakes in your video.
And yet, facts are still facts.
Maybe edit though?
I love your lists...❤
Komova was the great white hope! They really wasn’t even celebrating Gabby they were too busy feeling sad for Komova. Just like when Jordyn didn’t make the AA. But she never stood a chance. Gabby deserved so much more from us in 2012 and 2016 but ok.
Jessica G is so overscored it’s ridiculous. At 2022 and 2023 worlds compared to shilese both years and Jordan chiles fx 2022. At 2022 world Jessica was way too close to Shi in the AA. Her bars had so many errors and the way they gave Shi and her the same execution score on beam way crazy . The way they played in Jordan face in the floor finals. Then this year Jessica G scored within .2 of Simone bffr.
Ragen, Riley, and Grace are not even worth me discussing. They are ok gymnasts hell even good but nawl they weren’t it. Skye Leanne and Kayla Dicello will make all them look bad on their bad day!
Facts yet Dicello is another gymnast with very poor technique, lack of consistency, and lack of difficulty.