why you criticize a person you cannot even fathom them notions ? if out there i see your video and "Leo Gura" video in recommendation of the youtube i would def go for his video instead. because he has a developed skill to inspire at least. what have you done to inspire ? nothin just criticizing his :)
How do you know this person ''doesn't even fathom'' the notions? He seems reasonably intelligent to me and the concept of gaslighting is not that complicated either. He might not be as entertaining but he doesn't really have to be.
Gaslighting isn't a very difficult concept to understand, once you've experienced & identified it in your own life. CZcams recommended this video. I have no idea who this Leo chap is, but I became very familiar with Vaknins work after a therapist pulled my head out of the sand. Keep going, it is important that the predators are called out. This guy is a definitely a creep.
P.S. While I do not recommend psychedelics to those below age 25... I have to admit that I wouldn't have been able to turn my life around without using them therapeutically, in my late 20's. I've always been open-minded, in many ways, but very rigid in others. The psychedelics helped me leap over mental blocks I'd solidified in my psyche, to form new healthier neuropathways. If you are under 25, better to focus on forming healthy pathways while your thought-patterns are still forming. (P.S. an older sibling had me try them for the first time at 14, I used them socially any time I was around that sibling. They never delivered the results that I gained while using them therapeutically solo.)
@@Chelzebelles Yes, I've heard from many people, not just Leo, that psychedelics are probably a good thing to take to expand one's horizons. They've also been known to cure depression. Although, I'm under 25 and psychedelics are illegal so I'm not interested in them at moment. Maybe someday in the future.
Leo does have a preetttyy particular ego, but he is awake, and if you are also awake, you can tell he isn’t just repeating words he read on a book. So, no, he is not a fake guru, at least not when it comes to spirituality. He knows pretty well what he is saying and he expresses it in a highly intelligent and accurate manner, which is extremely hard to do. How he is as a person, does not undermines the fact that he is an excellent teacher.
His course life purpose was the only course that kinda helped me in a real way. Like in terms of practical stuff. I’ve taken tuns of guru courses. If u want it for free I’ll give it to u lol. Idk I just thought he was legit so now idk wat to do
At 13:55 are you really going to trust somebody that says that they enjoy criticizing him and it makes them happy? As a follower of Leo. He's not perfect but he's closer to the truth than many people.
his life purpose is meh. it's just a summarization of all the self-help books he's read. If you're lost, you should read real philosophy by real philosophers. at least that's what I'm doing
Leo isn’t using the term “gaslighting” properly, but the principle holds somewhat true in the sense that, on the path to awakening, your experiences will be misunderstood and many people will invalidate them because they don’t match their worldview. This can erode one’s sense of reality. It’s something that happens more so on an unconscious level though. At the same time, delusional people face the same kind of butting heads with most people who are more firmly grounded in consensus reality.
Just the idea of saying, "lower point of consciousness" is so condescending, narcissistic, arrogant, and false. He's insane because his ideas don't hold up to reason or even proper ethical conduct of a guru.
Hey man whats up. I am a subscriber of leo for nearly 3 years now, but I don't watch his content anymore cuz I started to feel weird about myself and the way of he talking about himself in a super boastful manner, which is narcissism by definition. I wanted you to know that he has 666 on the wall of his living room, and in a video of his he said that he has 666 on his wall for years and that to him it's irrelevant, then for the infinite amount of things in existence why would he put those digits on his wall. Really would like your opinion. Wish you all the best.
Can you tell your background? I do follow leo but I’m aware if he’s wrong or not I can see a lot of corruption in leo but what makes your talk is real? I mean there’s a lot of red flags in you to see also, don’t take it as an offense but can you tell your background about the invalidation you provide about him?
Just listen to my arguments. I feel like I point out basic things that should make everyone think that Leo is actually not a great person. He's a creep bag. When he looks at his hand, it's just so creepy and weird. Like what is he doing??? Is he for real???
Leo just oozes scummy vibes - which isn't surprising since he started out making content for the PUA (pickup artist) sphere. His charisma - or rather, confidence - barely hides the darkness bubbling just beneath the surface.
Leo makes wild claims about "levels of consciousness" that he's reached and there is no way to verify any of it and if you question it in any way you're gaslighting him 😂😂😂.
“If you’re a wise guru teacher” why do you use this multiple times as if there is only one cookie cutter person you think of when saying this term. If you’re a guru, does that mean you can’t swear?? Absolutely not because nothing matters at the end of the day and Leo knows this.
Because he's supposed to act with wisdom and be an actual teacher because that's what he claims to be! And yet, when you watch him, he totally misses the mark, so much so, that I need to keep bringing it to everyone's attention. You're right, nothing matters. That doesn't mean you don't act with good character. It's actually all the more reason to have a good character because virtue is so fleeting in a meaningless world.
Hey, I'm open to new ideas, but just because Leo may or may not be a narssasist doesn't mean everything here's talked about over ... What 8 years, isnt worth a listen. Some honest feedback, practice finishing your thoughts on camera. You jump around, talking about a point and not being able to finish it without moving on. Keep practicing. You'll get better
@@Kasperanzaa You're getting butthurt by a comment and then responding by attacking the O.P. commenter just showing insecure you are about what he said. Grow up dude
Leo always stresses an important point, that everything he says you shouldn’t take as a fact. He says these are his experiences but you have to do the thousands of hours of work to verify these truths. Fake gurus and con artists would just say “take my word, buy my course”. Leo never says he’s correct in any of his theories. He tells the viewer to verify through direct experience rather than blind faith. And he only promotes his courses after three hours of content. Making a video criticizing him is exactly the low level behavior that Leo warns against. He’s actually doing real research in psychedelic and consciousness while you’re here doing nothing and trying to capitalize on his fame.
If everything he says isn't fact, and it's all opinion, am I not entitled to criticize him? Doesn't that mean he could be wrong? Doesn't that mean someone should and is expected to disagree??? No, he's a fake guru because when he looks at his hand he comes off as a creep selling nothing, putting on a monstrous show, a DEMONstration. Taking psychedelics for 1000s of hours does not increase one's knowledge, especially because when I listen to what he says, and look at what he writes, it's embarrassing compared to a true academic intellectual or philosopher. So many of his followers are illiterate, are incapable of digesting anything of true intellectual worth. Leo is boosting, he's catering to your own narcissism and delusional fantasy of being a "high consciousness" person. In my personal experience, I can't verify anything he says. I think it's all nonsense, literal non-sense, zero sense perception. God consciousness is abstract, vague, and mystical, the complete opposite of experiencing the world as it is. AHAHAH if I wanted to capitalize on fame, I would be running my channel entirely different. There are far bigger gurus out there. You're only saying my behavior is low-level because you don't like what I'm saying. You're just standing on top of a FALSE hill while looking down at me.
@@Brendan99349 Well, maybe you're right. I'll spend more time on more positive and creative videos. When I did post this video it did make me feel yucky inside cuz of my own behavior. Plus, featuring Leo Gura on my channel is also gross.
I just want to check, but Prof Sam Vaknin is a narcissist himself. Is everyone aware of this I don't see him mentioning this on his channel anymore and I don't hear other people say that he is. But I just assumed because of the documentary people know. I just find it strange that lots of people are taking advice and believing him when he is a Narcissist himself.
@@LEONARDO-xs2ke ah OK I was just checking to seen if he still says that he is. Why does he have so many followers. He says he is a narcissist so you cannot really trust him or his information.
Yeah he’s a narc (a psychopathic narcissist actually), but he still makes supreme content. His narcissism doesn’t really get in the way, only rarely. It’s usually pretty easy to tell when Sam Vaknin is coming from bias, narcissism, or personal opinion, while with Leo Gura all of his content is his narcissism talking. Besides, everyone has their biases and blind spots. All intellectuals say stupid or nonsensical things at some point. You just throw out their bad ideas and keep moving.
I'm being gaslit by Sam Vaknin. He says that the digital is an attention economy and escapism from the physical, as if anime is a false ''reality'' distracting me, but the anime ''86'' clearly shows that a decadent society will be destroyed by AI. Therefore I discovered the truth of our existence before any intellectual. Anime is my guru. Anime makes me intellectually superior on a level that neither you, Sam Vaknin or even Leo Gura can begin to comprehend. For example: none of you know how accurately a school shooting can be described by Attack on Titan and no intellectual demonstrates what constitutes our identity like Kokoro Connect does. I even watched The Terminator and Pinocchio before Sam Vaknin talked about the problem with defining what ''human'' is. The Matrix came out long before the first free to download PDF of Plato's Cave and South Park showed me how deluded we all are thinking that pirates are like Jack Sparrow instead of desperately poor Somalis. The permanent absence of anime in academic curricula and discussions is a Marxist oppression that is only touched upon by Jordan Peterson and his analysis of Disney movies. In other words: intellectual hegemony depends on permanently denying the higher wisdom of anime. I find that inescapably abusive and if that isn't gaslighting than what is? Now on a serious note: science, reason and logic depend on the ability to differentiate models of reality that are more or less valid, reliable and predictive for a specific purpose. For example: viewing the body as a molecular machine leads to more effective treatments for severe disease than an ayurvedic view. Notice how none of the guru's or intellectuals on the internet demonstrate such differentiation. For example: how do we treat a body that is physical different from a body that is an appearance of conciousness? No guru or intellectual will answer such question. Sam Vaknin has developped ''cold therapy''. When and where did Sam Vaknin present scientific evidence for the effectiveness of his treatment? Leo is just noticebly one of the worst.
AHAHA Anime is too good for this world obviously Only the truly magnificent can comprehend its beauty You need the Deathnote to pass judgment on this rotten world And I need Sebastian Michaelis to eat my soul :3 --- When you say, "a body that is physically different from a body that is an appearance of consciousness," I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Is it kind of like the material vs. spiritual? Or the concrete vs. the abstract? Appearance of consciousness... Like figments of our imaginations? Ideas? I'm sure some kind of philosopher in the past may have answered this question, probably no current public intellectual though. I guess treating cancer is much more obvious since you can actually see it and cut it out. But treating narcissism is funny because you can't see it and just cut it out. It's far more abstract, loose, and immaterial. Tackling such a thing is a nightmare. You could be right that no other intellectuals seem to differentiate from different models of reality. Maybe it's assumed by most people that they are all operating on the same model, and that's where much of the confusion and disagreement comes from because people don't first clarify their models. It reminds me of what I said that reason doesn't really work without parameters. You can't really make intellectual progress or knowledge groundwork until you first decide your boarders of reality or have a result you're aiming for. I can't remember if Sam Vaknin presented any evidence for "cold therapy." All I remember him saying was that it cures a narcissist of his/her grandiosity, but nothing else. I guess I never noticed because I wasn't interested in curing whatever narcissism resided in myself or other people I knew. Also, I guess for certain claims scientific proof is expected while for other things it's taken for face value. Even if Sam Vaknin didn't have proof, I think it'd be worth a shot to try his "cold therapy" since he's very credible, at least compared to most people, and because there's no alternative treatment to narcissism. But also Vaknin says psychology is a form of literature, so why should we even expect scientific proof, especially if narcissism is more of an idea rather than something you have like cancer. If we do expect science, how do we integrate it with a field with a literature like foundation. The whole thing is confusing, and whenever an answer arises, three more questions arise. A lot of this stuff is beyond us. Humans are making it up as they go along. But compared to Leo Gura who just sounds idiotic and has zero credibility, some false ideas appear better than others/ Maybe psychology is a more sophisticated form of conartistry! I don't know. It reminds me of how abstraction is humanity's double-edged sword.
@@Kasperanzaa I was hinting at a philosophical debate that's been going on for thousands of years: metaphysical idealism versus physicalism. Any explanation of this debate is inadequate and can easily be misunderstood. For example: explaining metaphysical idealism as mind over matter can be misunderstood as solipsism and can lead to magical thinking. Such misunderstandings are a feature, not a bug for charlatans like Leo Gura. For clarity I'd like to explain physicalism as a spectrum of views that share the assumption that we are part of a world that exists independent from our perception and that all aspects of the world including our experience boil down to physics. Unfortunately, my explanation of physicalism can still be misrepresented and misunderstood in many ways. For example: ''consciousness is a product of the brain'' is an ignorant or misleading interpretation of physicalism because this interpretation paints our experience as a non-physical thing through (ab)use of language. Again, such ignorant or misleading interpretations seem to be a feature rather than a bug for the likes of Richard Dawkins. In contrast, I'd like to explain metaphysical idealism as a spectrum of views that share the assumption that we can't seperate observer from observed. All we know are appearances and ideas. Notice how this explanation refrains from jumping to any conclusion about the nature of reality. The debate between metaphysical idealism and physicalism can teach you how difficult it can be to disentangle observer from observed, idea from reality and abstract from concrete. For example: any particular type of chronic inflammation like Crohn's disease is an abstraction, because there's a countless variety of mechanisms that can have a similar looking result, much like mental illness. There seems to be a lack of shared understanding that can not be overcome with words. For example: controlling by letting go. Good luck explaining that to the manager. Some knowledge seems indescribable, like how we apply adequate force when shaking hands, holding an object and closing a door. Look how erratic birds move their heads. Now imagine how people would react to us moving our heads like birds. So we ask them to define the adequate speed and direction to achieve the goal of not making them uncomfortable... Yes I'm confused, but some narratives seem ''better'' than others or are presented as such. The superiority of a narrative, even when fictional, should be demonstrated. For example: is the world wide web an archetypical devouring mother (spider) or an archetypical sun, a source of knowledge dispelling the darkness (ignorance)? There are countless youtubers dedicated to telling such stories as a form of self-help, possibly wasting time and energy of their viewers. Literature is not merely art, but extrinsically motivated and should be held accountable as such. Leo especially refuses any accountability. His self-defense mechanism is amazing, possibly an adaptive trait. Perhaps Leo truly is the most evolved form of humanity, because psychopaths and narcissists will survive and reproduce more than anyone else.
Agreed was never a fan of him ever since he said "there's no point meditating if you're not going to do it every day for the rest of your life". This will discourage many from ever meditating and annoys me to this day.
I mean, he’s not wrong. In order for meditation to work you have to be consistent. He’s far from the first person to say that. I don’t like Leo, but that’s weak criticism, don’t blame him for your laziness.
@@Kasperanzaa the big ego personalities actually did give me a reason to say “not interested” to spirituality for a long time. I’m so glad it’s not what they make it seem like lol 😆
So, u aren't "wrong," per say, about Leo, but also aren't right about him either. U start your video out by saying, "Leo is a narcissist. He is a crazy person:" These are 2 diametrically opposed concepts, however. A "narc" would be manipulating u (at this level, he'd have to be conscious of it), while a "crazy person" would actually believe their own delusions (u actually address this conflict, yet, never resolve it at an elementary level...???). 2ndly, u are falling into the polorizatuon and dismissal trap, where 1 throws the baby out w the bath water, so to say, meaning, u stop jcritically examining each claim on it's own marrit, and simply begin assuming, basically the opposite of each claim IS WHAR MUST be the truth, and even start lumping similar seeming people in with him, which is evident when u say something like "all spiritual teachers are like this" and "spirituality is for the ignorant" (I'm paraphrasing), but this is just as ignorant. Purposeful manipulators (which is what Leo is) will often front load their bs with a lot of true- often "out there" sounding- things, to sneak in the lie w the bulk, so to speak. This becomes very tricky, as if u just reject everything he says uncritically u end up assuming that the opposite of every "out there sounding" assertion he makes MUST REALLY be whats true; thr problem is, there are many "out there" SOUNDING actual truths, so one ends up just as far away- or perhaps further from truth- than Leo (what ends up occuring is something similar to the concept of "if u can't convince them, confuse them"), as "it's easier to fool a person than convince them they've been fooled." 3rdly,- and building off that last quoted phrase, this is exactly what u are attempting to do, correct; convince people who have been fooled, that they are among that group, ,yes? Therefore, your level of accuracy becomes paramount, so you must come correct (or risk pushing people further into the cult), so one must be extraordinarilly meticulous and very secure in what one is asserting, but u say "I don't know".... well, lets just say, "a lot" lol (it's clearly something you've habituated and, perhaps, u detected this as part of your baseline speech, hopefully, upon playback of the video. Anyway, it's not a saying that exactly fills the listener with confidence in what you're claiming, and since this is really, what one could call, "Leo's expertise- as the "con" in "con-man" is short for "confidence"- the average listener is going to probably just go with whomever comes off as more credible- and, sorry, but, Leo's just got u beat there (however, I do believe, Leo, to be a professional at this so dont take it too hard, and good effort)... your instincts are mostly correct, though, so good on u for that
1) Actually, if you study narcissism you'll come to discover that narcissists do not consciously manipulate you. Narcissists truly do believe in their own delusions and therefore try to immerse you in a shared fantasy. That is very different from the Machiavellian psychopath who plans his exploitations. This is why Leo has sacrificed, according to him, millions of dollars from Actualized.org, in the name of "truth." 2) I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater because there was no baby to begin with. I'm simply draining a dirty bathtub. All of this public spirituality on CZcams is a filthy swamp like the Dead Marshes in Lord of the Rings. 3) Yeah, I say "I don't know" a lot because I always second guess myself because I feel that I'm never sure about anything. But it doesn't matter. People who belong to a cult are mind-controlled, and stuck in the cult anyway, so it doesn't matter how convincing I am. Cult followers are beyond reason. They won't realize they've been fooled until thousands of dollars and many years later. Also, you write terribly with poor grammar so I don't really understand what you're saying.
@@Kasperanzaa Your fursuit might suit you but the Bible will take you to Heaven on Earth and let you live a life in peace, righteousness and as a son of God
@@Kasperanzaa A big thing for you to say in times of war, disease and disaster. You might be "unaffected" right now, but how long? There is literally zero reason to deny the Gospel of Christ. But I am interested in the mind of an unbeliever. What do you need to become a believer? Evidence? Look around ... Sorry if I am a bit harsh
@@katenka_ana3997 By definition God is a supernatural being, therefore, I can never know if he truly exists, only by means of faith. But faith is improper as an epistemology for a human being. Only reason and grounded intuition are proper.
Bro, why do you even watch this guy. I must admit I had to visit therapy, because of him and his claims about what reality is ( you know the Solipsism stuff) and I suffered from de-realization for about a year. I was in a pretty vurnerable position when exactly I broke with my GF of 7 years and I started seeing Angel Numbers, Tarot Readings,Manifestation and how other people are my puppets ( and I have manifested the war and covid ). And on top of everything Leo was just the cherry on top. I don't know tbh why does CZcams even allow his videos when there are so much reports on his videos, not to mention the people that ended their lives because of him ( I can confirm only 2, but there are probably more). Anyways if someone breaks their mind like I did I suggest you start watching ( New Age to Jesus testimonies and reading your Bible). This whole life is a dream, so I should manifest whatever I want and I am God and I shouldn't care about other people since they are not real never resonated with me so I saw many people turned to Christianity and I was also one of them. It's funny too how Leo says I am the only one here and none of you actually can suffer or feel pain so I shouldn't care about any of you. P.S another keynote I noticed regarding Christianity -> Neville Goddard and Nisargadata Maharaj ( who basically preach Leo's crap or even worse ) , take their time to bash the Bible in all of their works. Why so much hate on the Bible? Why not hate on anything else from all things?
After Leo my depression got so much worse that I also needed therapy. I still go to it it has been three years. Leo was a contributing factor to one year of psychosis I experienced from july 2022 - august 2023
Just remember "god" is a figment in leo's imagination, he's inventing this stuff. "Nisargadata" was a guru scammer, nothing to worry about. He also didn't fully believe his BS and denied his teachings before death. No therapy needed when you can just refute these clowns within 5 min of research. You may also stop repeating things Leo tell you to other people To stop spreading his nonsense is a start.
Agreed. I can “smell” the disorder through my phone screen.
yes, flared nostrils activated
why you criticize a person you cannot even fathom them notions ? if out there i see your video and "Leo Gura" video in recommendation of the youtube i would def go for his video instead. because he has a developed skill to inspire at least. what have you done to inspire ? nothin just criticizing his :)
Yeah I got nothing because I'm not selling you BS
How do you know this person ''doesn't even fathom'' the notions? He seems reasonably intelligent to me and the concept of gaslighting is not that complicated either. He might not be as entertaining but he doesn't really have to be.
Cope. you wassted your time on a lie. The guy is a scammer and a deceiver, and not even a good one.
Very good analysis on Leo.
I was wondering if you had ever come across Advaita Vendanta philosophy (not Neo Advaita), if so any thoughts?
Thank you
Unfortunately, I haven't heard of Advaita Vendanta philosophy until now so I can't comment.
Gaslighting isn't a very difficult concept to understand, once you've experienced & identified it in your own life.
CZcams recommended this video.
I have no idea who this Leo chap is, but I became very familiar with Vaknins work after a therapist pulled my head out of the sand.
Keep going, it is important that the predators are called out.
This guy is a definitely a creep.
P.S. While I do not recommend psychedelics to those below age 25... I have to admit that I wouldn't have been able to turn my life around without using them therapeutically, in my late 20's. I've always been open-minded, in many ways, but very rigid in others. The psychedelics helped me leap over mental blocks I'd solidified in my psyche, to form new healthier neuropathways.
If you are under 25, better to focus on forming healthy pathways while your thought-patterns are still forming.
(P.S. an older sibling had me try them for the first time at 14, I used them socially any time I was around that sibling. They never delivered the results that I gained while using them therapeutically solo.)
@@Chelzebelles Yes, I've heard from many people, not just Leo, that psychedelics are probably a good thing to take to expand one's horizons. They've also been known to cure depression. Although, I'm under 25 and psychedelics are illegal so I'm not interested in them at moment. Maybe someday in the future.
Leo Gura admitted he is a narcissist as well. I do not remeber exactly where though.
@@ondrejvitula6992 Most anyone you see in the spotlight has a strong battle with their ego.
Leo does have a preetttyy particular ego, but he is awake, and if you are also awake, you can tell he isn’t just repeating words he read on a book. So, no, he is not a fake guru, at least not when it comes to spirituality. He knows pretty well what he is saying and he expresses it in a highly intelligent and accurate manner, which is extremely hard to do. How he is as a person, does not undermines the fact that he is an excellent teacher.
completely disagree
His course life purpose was the only course that kinda helped me in a real way. Like in terms of practical stuff. I’ve taken tuns of guru courses. If u want it for free I’ll give it to u lol. Idk I just thought he was legit so now idk wat to do
At 13:55 are you really going to trust somebody that says that they enjoy criticizing him and it makes them happy? As a follower of Leo. He's not perfect but he's closer to the truth than many people.
his life purpose is meh. it's just a summarization of all the self-help books he's read. If you're lost, you should read real philosophy by real philosophers. at least that's what I'm doing
Leo isn’t using the term “gaslighting” properly, but the principle holds somewhat true in the sense that, on the path to awakening, your experiences will be misunderstood and many people will invalidate them because they don’t match their worldview. This can erode one’s sense of reality. It’s something that happens more so on an unconscious level though. At the same time, delusional people face the same kind of butting heads with most people who are more firmly grounded in consensus reality.
Gaslighting would be more like, they internally agree with your perceptions and instead try to convince you that you’re delusional
He’s insane from your lower point of consciousness. There’s no cult, Leo even says he never hires employees for fear of corruption and cults
Just the idea of saying, "lower point of consciousness" is so condescending, narcissistic, arrogant, and false. He's insane because his ideas don't hold up to reason or even proper ethical conduct of a guru.
@@Kasperanzaa reason can’t prove or explain infinity. Also it’s your narcissistic ego that’s threatened by Leo, leading you to call him narcissistic
The fact that he thinks he's less narcissistic than the average person just goes to show how biased self-reported data can be
No, I think people like him can't be trusted to self report when it comes to their self image
Hey man whats up. I am a subscriber of leo for nearly 3 years now, but I don't watch his content anymore cuz I started to feel weird about myself and the way of he talking about himself in a super boastful manner, which is narcissism by definition. I wanted you to know that he has 666 on the wall of his living room, and in a video of his he said that he has 666 on his wall for years and that to him it's irrelevant, then for the infinite amount of things in existence why would he put those digits on his wall. Really would like your opinion. Wish you all the best.
Hi. I don't really have an opinion on that.
Like many, Leo’s career is a trauma response. Amazing how many people manage to do this in the “self-help” realm.
i dont know you or who this guy is but i wish you the best
i dont know you either, but thanks
Can you tell your background?
I do follow leo but I’m aware if he’s wrong or not I can see a lot of corruption in leo but what makes your talk is real?
I mean there’s a lot of red flags in you to see also, don’t take it as an offense but can you tell your background about the invalidation you provide about him?
Just listen to my arguments. I feel like I point out basic things that should make everyone think that Leo is actually not a great person. He's a creep bag. When he looks at his hand, it's just so creepy and weird. Like what is he doing??? Is he for real???
Leo just oozes scummy vibes - which isn't surprising since he started out making content for the PUA (pickup artist) sphere. His charisma - or rather, confidence - barely hides the darkness bubbling just beneath the surface.
His face kind of reminds me of Mark Zuckerberg's face
How in tf do you think that?? He’s so clearly authentic.
@@lukebrown7651 When he looks at his hand he strikes me as a big fake. A DEMONstration, a monstrous show.
Leo makes wild claims about "levels of consciousness" that he's reached and there is no way to verify any of it and if you question it in any way you're gaslighting him 😂😂😂.
lol I know he's so dumb
Leo seems to have stops uploading
good
“If you’re a wise guru teacher” why do you use this multiple times as if there is only one cookie cutter person you think of when saying this term. If you’re a guru, does that mean you can’t swear?? Absolutely not because nothing matters at the end of the day and Leo knows this.
Because he's supposed to act with wisdom and be an actual teacher because that's what he claims to be! And yet, when you watch him, he totally misses the mark, so much so, that I need to keep bringing it to everyone's attention.
You're right, nothing matters. That doesn't mean you don't act with good character. It's actually all the more reason to have a good character because virtue is so fleeting in a meaningless world.
You're sentenced to 1:34:52 of left leaning white guy commentary
Wow what a punishment
leo is a genius and a kind person
lolwow
Hey, I'm open to new ideas, but just because Leo may or may not be a narssasist doesn't mean everything here's talked about over ... What 8 years, isnt worth a listen.
Some honest feedback, practice finishing your thoughts on camera. You jump around, talking about a point and not being able to finish it without moving on.
Keep practicing. You'll get better
Practice your spelling
@@Kasperanzaa You're getting butthurt by a comment and then responding by attacking the O.P. commenter just showing insecure you are about what he said. Grow up dude
@@Kenton. What? She can't even spell "narcissist" and yet it's spelled for her in the title of this video.
Leo always stresses an important point, that everything he says you shouldn’t take as a fact. He says these are his experiences but you have to do the thousands of hours of work to verify these truths. Fake gurus and con artists would just say “take my word, buy my course”. Leo never says he’s correct in any of his theories. He tells the viewer to verify through direct experience rather than blind faith. And he only promotes his courses after three hours of content.
Making a video criticizing him is exactly the low level behavior that Leo warns against. He’s actually doing real research in psychedelic and consciousness while you’re here doing nothing and trying to capitalize on his fame.
If everything he says isn't fact, and it's all opinion, am I not entitled to criticize him? Doesn't that mean he could be wrong? Doesn't that mean someone should and is expected to disagree???
No, he's a fake guru because when he looks at his hand he comes off as a creep selling nothing, putting on a monstrous show, a DEMONstration. Taking psychedelics for 1000s of hours does not increase one's knowledge, especially because when I listen to what he says, and look at what he writes, it's embarrassing compared to a true academic intellectual or philosopher. So many of his followers are illiterate, are incapable of digesting anything of true intellectual worth. Leo is boosting, he's catering to your own narcissism and delusional fantasy of being a "high consciousness" person.
In my personal experience, I can't verify anything he says. I think it's all nonsense, literal non-sense, zero sense perception. God consciousness is abstract, vague, and mystical, the complete opposite of experiencing the world as it is.
AHAHAH if I wanted to capitalize on fame, I would be running my channel entirely different. There are far bigger gurus out there. You're only saying my behavior is low-level because you don't like what I'm saying. You're just standing on top of a FALSE hill while looking down at me.
@@Kasperanzaa the point is you shouldn't waste time on criticism, immature behavior
@@Brendan99349 Well, maybe you're right. I'll spend more time on more positive and creative videos. When I did post this video it did make me feel yucky inside cuz of my own behavior. Plus, featuring Leo Gura on my channel is also gross.
Leo is AWESOME! He can forms sentences, engage his audience and has a great sense of humor. You should take notes..
at least you didn't tell me to take psychedelics whew
Leo doesn’t tell anyone to take psychedelics. He teaches his experiences on them and tells you to do as you please
"leo is aewsome durr durr"
these people are the reason cults still exist
I just want to check, but Prof Sam Vaknin is a narcissist himself. Is everyone aware of this I don't see him mentioning this on his channel anymore and I don't hear other people say that he is. But I just assumed because of the documentary people know. I just find it strange that lots of people are taking advice and believing him when he is a Narcissist himself.
He himself says he's a narcissist why are you surprised
@@LEONARDO-xs2ke ah OK I was just checking to seen if he still says that he is. Why does he have so many followers. He says he is a narcissist so you cannot really trust him or his information.
Yeah he’s a narc (a psychopathic narcissist actually), but he still makes supreme content. His narcissism doesn’t really get in the way, only rarely. It’s usually pretty easy to tell when Sam Vaknin is coming from bias, narcissism, or personal opinion, while with Leo Gura all of his content is his narcissism talking. Besides, everyone has their biases and blind spots. All intellectuals say stupid or nonsensical things at some point. You just throw out their bad ideas and keep moving.
I'm being gaslit by Sam Vaknin. He says that the digital is an attention economy and escapism from the physical, as if anime is a false ''reality'' distracting me, but the anime ''86'' clearly shows that a decadent society will be destroyed by AI. Therefore I discovered the truth of our existence before any intellectual. Anime is my guru.
Anime makes me intellectually superior on a level that neither you, Sam Vaknin or even Leo Gura can begin to comprehend. For example: none of you know how accurately a school shooting can be described by Attack on Titan and no intellectual demonstrates what constitutes our identity like Kokoro Connect does. I even watched The Terminator and Pinocchio before Sam Vaknin talked about the problem with defining what ''human'' is. The Matrix came out long before the first free to download PDF of Plato's Cave and South Park showed me how deluded we all are thinking that pirates are like Jack Sparrow instead of desperately poor Somalis.
The permanent absence of anime in academic curricula and discussions is a Marxist oppression that is only touched upon by Jordan Peterson and his analysis of Disney movies. In other words: intellectual hegemony depends on permanently denying the higher wisdom of anime. I find that inescapably abusive and if that isn't gaslighting than what is?
Now on a serious note: science, reason and logic depend on the ability to differentiate models of reality that are more or less valid, reliable and predictive for a specific purpose. For example: viewing the body as a molecular machine leads to more effective treatments for severe disease than an ayurvedic view. Notice how none of the guru's or intellectuals on the internet demonstrate such differentiation. For example: how do we treat a body that is physical different from a body that is an appearance of conciousness? No guru or intellectual will answer such question. Sam Vaknin has developped ''cold therapy''. When and where did Sam Vaknin present scientific evidence for the effectiveness of his treatment? Leo is just noticebly one of the worst.
AHAHA
Anime is too good for this world obviously
Only the truly magnificent can comprehend its beauty
You need the Deathnote to pass judgment on this rotten world
And I need Sebastian Michaelis to eat my soul
:3
---
When you say, "a body that is physically different from a body that is an appearance of consciousness," I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Is it kind of like the material vs. spiritual? Or the concrete vs. the abstract? Appearance of consciousness... Like figments of our imaginations? Ideas? I'm sure some kind of philosopher in the past may have answered this question, probably no current public intellectual though. I guess treating cancer is much more obvious since you can actually see it and cut it out. But treating narcissism is funny because you can't see it and just cut it out. It's far more abstract, loose, and immaterial. Tackling such a thing is a nightmare.
You could be right that no other intellectuals seem to differentiate from different models of reality. Maybe it's assumed by most people that they are all operating on the same model, and that's where much of the confusion and disagreement comes from because people don't first clarify their models. It reminds me of what I said that reason doesn't really work without parameters. You can't really make intellectual progress or knowledge groundwork until you first decide your boarders of reality or have a result you're aiming for.
I can't remember if Sam Vaknin presented any evidence for "cold therapy." All I remember him saying was that it cures a narcissist of his/her grandiosity, but nothing else. I guess I never noticed because I wasn't interested in curing whatever narcissism resided in myself or other people I knew. Also, I guess for certain claims scientific proof is expected while for other things it's taken for face value. Even if Sam Vaknin didn't have proof, I think it'd be worth a shot to try his "cold therapy" since he's very credible, at least compared to most people, and because there's no alternative treatment to narcissism. But also Vaknin says psychology is a form of literature, so why should we even expect scientific proof, especially if narcissism is more of an idea rather than something you have like cancer. If we do expect science, how do we integrate it with a field with a literature like foundation. The whole thing is confusing, and whenever an answer arises, three more questions arise. A lot of this stuff is beyond us. Humans are making it up as they go along. But compared to Leo Gura who just sounds idiotic and has zero credibility, some false ideas appear better than others/ Maybe psychology is a more sophisticated form of conartistry! I don't know. It reminds me of how abstraction is humanity's double-edged sword.
So, you believe yourself to be intellectually superior? Do you have a channel or have you created any content? Any published papers I could check out?
@@Kasperanzaa I was hinting at a philosophical debate that's been going on for thousands of years: metaphysical idealism versus physicalism. Any explanation of this debate is inadequate and can easily be misunderstood. For example: explaining metaphysical idealism as mind over matter can be misunderstood as solipsism and can lead to magical thinking. Such misunderstandings are a feature, not a bug for charlatans like Leo Gura.
For clarity I'd like to explain physicalism as a spectrum of views that share the assumption that we are part of a world that exists independent from our perception and that all aspects of the world including our experience boil down to physics. Unfortunately, my explanation of physicalism can still be misrepresented and misunderstood in many ways. For example: ''consciousness is a product of the brain'' is an ignorant or misleading interpretation of physicalism because this interpretation paints our experience as a non-physical thing through (ab)use of language. Again, such ignorant or misleading interpretations seem to be a feature rather than a bug for the likes of Richard Dawkins.
In contrast, I'd like to explain metaphysical idealism as a spectrum of views that share the assumption that we can't seperate observer from observed. All we know are appearances and ideas. Notice how this explanation refrains from jumping to any conclusion about the nature of reality.
The debate between metaphysical idealism and physicalism can teach you how difficult it can be to disentangle observer from observed, idea from reality and abstract from concrete. For example: any particular type of chronic inflammation like Crohn's disease is an abstraction, because there's a countless variety of mechanisms that can have a similar looking result, much like mental illness.
There seems to be a lack of shared understanding that can not be overcome with words. For example: controlling by letting go. Good luck explaining that to the manager. Some knowledge seems indescribable, like how we apply adequate force when shaking hands, holding an object and closing a door. Look how erratic birds move their heads. Now imagine how people would react to us moving our heads like birds. So we ask them to define the adequate speed and direction to achieve the goal of not making them uncomfortable...
Yes I'm confused, but some narratives seem ''better'' than others or are presented as such. The superiority of a narrative, even when fictional, should be demonstrated. For example: is the world wide web an archetypical devouring mother (spider) or an archetypical sun, a source of knowledge dispelling the darkness (ignorance)? There are countless youtubers dedicated to telling such stories as a form of self-help, possibly wasting time and energy of their viewers. Literature is not merely art, but extrinsically motivated and should be held accountable as such.
Leo especially refuses any accountability. His self-defense mechanism is amazing, possibly an adaptive trait. Perhaps Leo truly is the most evolved form of humanity, because psychopaths and narcissists will survive and reproduce more than anyone else.
@@Chelzebelles Yes I'm intellectually superior to you because I understand sarcasm and you don't.
@@unknownhollow4141 I am not sure that you do. *whoosh* 😹
Agreed was never a fan of him ever since he said "there's no point meditating if you're not going to do it every day for the rest of your life". This will discourage many from ever meditating and annoys me to this day.
I mean, he’s not wrong. In order for meditation to work you have to be consistent. He’s far from the first person to say that. I don’t like Leo, but that’s weak criticism, don’t blame him for your laziness.
This is what I don’t enjoy about Leo Guras impact. His ego makes it sound like there’s no point in starting the journey.
@@macintoshimann9892 especially when he talks about how much more wise and intelligent he is compared to everyone else
@@Kasperanzaa the big ego personalities actually did give me a reason to say “not interested” to spirituality for a long time. I’m so glad it’s not what they make it seem like lol 😆
So, u aren't "wrong," per say, about Leo, but also aren't right about him either. U start your video out by saying, "Leo is a narcissist. He is a crazy person:" These are 2 diametrically opposed concepts, however. A "narc" would be manipulating u (at this level, he'd have to be conscious of it), while a "crazy person" would actually believe their own delusions (u actually address this conflict, yet, never resolve it at an elementary level...???). 2ndly, u are falling into the polorizatuon and dismissal trap, where 1 throws the baby out w the bath water, so to say, meaning, u stop jcritically examining each claim on it's own marrit, and simply begin assuming, basically the opposite of each claim IS WHAR MUST be the truth, and even start lumping similar seeming people in with him, which is evident when u say something like "all spiritual teachers are like this" and "spirituality is for the ignorant" (I'm paraphrasing), but this is just as ignorant. Purposeful manipulators (which is what Leo is) will often front load their bs with a lot of true- often "out there" sounding- things, to sneak in the lie w the bulk, so to speak. This becomes very tricky, as if u just reject everything he says uncritically u end up assuming that the opposite of every "out there sounding" assertion he makes MUST REALLY be whats true; thr problem is, there are many "out there" SOUNDING actual truths, so one ends up just as far away- or perhaps further from truth- than Leo (what ends up occuring is something similar to the concept of "if u can't convince them, confuse them"), as "it's easier to fool a person than convince them they've been fooled." 3rdly,- and building off that last quoted phrase, this is exactly what u are attempting to do, correct; convince people who have been fooled, that they are among that group, ,yes? Therefore, your level of accuracy becomes paramount, so you must come correct (or risk pushing people further into the cult), so one must be extraordinarilly meticulous and very secure in what one is asserting, but u say "I don't know".... well, lets just say, "a lot" lol (it's clearly something you've habituated and, perhaps, u detected this as part of your baseline speech, hopefully, upon playback of the video. Anyway, it's not a saying that exactly fills the listener with confidence in what you're claiming, and since this is really, what one could call, "Leo's expertise- as the "con" in "con-man" is short for "confidence"- the average listener is going to probably just go with whomever comes off as more credible- and, sorry, but, Leo's just got u beat there (however, I do believe, Leo, to be a professional at this so dont take it too hard, and good effort)... your instincts are mostly correct, though, so good on u for that
1) Actually, if you study narcissism you'll come to discover that narcissists do not consciously manipulate you. Narcissists truly do believe in their own delusions and therefore try to immerse you in a shared fantasy. That is very different from the Machiavellian psychopath who plans his exploitations. This is why Leo has sacrificed, according to him, millions of dollars from Actualized.org, in the name of "truth."
2) I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater because there was no baby to begin with. I'm simply draining a dirty bathtub. All of this public spirituality on CZcams is a filthy swamp like the Dead Marshes in Lord of the Rings.
3) Yeah, I say "I don't know" a lot because I always second guess myself because I feel that I'm never sure about anything. But it doesn't matter. People who belong to a cult are mind-controlled, and stuck in the cult anyway, so it doesn't matter how convincing I am. Cult followers are beyond reason. They won't realize they've been fooled until thousands of dollars and many years later.
Also, you write terribly with poor grammar so I don't really understand what you're saying.
I enjoy this podcast. But I think you’re just jealous that Leo Gur is God and you’re not.!!
lelelele
Bro straw-manned Leo the entire video 😭
bruh this furry is down bad
@@Kasperanzaa bro pretended to make fun of himself as a defense mechanism to prevent being wrong 💀
Thank you for this video. I think the Bible would suit you well, give it a shot
Nope! Only my fursuit can suit me.
@@Kasperanzaa Your fursuit might suit you but the Bible will take you to Heaven on Earth and let you live a life in peace, righteousness and as a son of God
@@katenka_ana3997 I don't need God or heaven to be happy.
@@Kasperanzaa A big thing for you to say in times of war, disease and disaster. You might be "unaffected" right now, but how long? There is literally zero reason to deny the Gospel of Christ.
But I am interested in the mind of an unbeliever.
What do you need to become a believer? Evidence? Look around ... Sorry if I am a bit harsh
@@katenka_ana3997 By definition God is a supernatural being, therefore, I can never know if he truly exists, only by means of faith. But faith is improper as an epistemology for a human being. Only reason and grounded intuition are proper.
Bro, why do you even watch this guy. I must admit I had to visit therapy, because of him and his claims about what reality is ( you know the Solipsism stuff) and I suffered from de-realization for about a year. I was in a pretty vurnerable position when exactly I broke with my GF of 7 years and I started seeing Angel Numbers, Tarot Readings,Manifestation and how other people are my puppets ( and I have manifested the war and covid ). And on top of everything Leo was just the cherry on top. I don't know tbh why does CZcams even allow his videos when there are so much reports on his videos, not to mention the people that ended their lives because of him ( I can confirm only 2, but there are probably more). Anyways if someone breaks their mind like I did I suggest you start watching ( New Age to Jesus testimonies and reading your Bible). This whole life is a dream, so I should manifest whatever I want and I am God and I shouldn't care about other people since they are not real never resonated with me so I saw many people turned to Christianity and I was also one of them. It's funny too how Leo says I am the only one here and none of you actually can suffer or feel pain so I shouldn't care about any of you. P.S another keynote I noticed regarding Christianity -> Neville Goddard and Nisargadata Maharaj ( who basically preach Leo's crap or even worse ) , take their time to bash the Bible in all of their works. Why so much hate on the Bible? Why not hate on anything else from all things?
im too lazy to read this
After Leo my depression got so much worse that I also needed therapy. I still go to it it has been three years. Leo was a contributing factor to one year of psychosis I experienced from july 2022 - august 2023
@@Kasperanzaawhy do you even tell someone that you are too lazy to read their story? Just don't read it then WTF
Notice how Neville Goddard contains evil God. It's the antichrist
Just remember "god" is a figment in leo's imagination, he's inventing this stuff. "Nisargadata" was a guru scammer, nothing to worry about. He also didn't fully believe his BS and denied his teachings before death. No therapy needed when you can just refute these clowns within 5 min of research. You may also stop repeating things Leo tell you to other people To stop spreading his nonsense is a start.
hes not a fake guru ... but con artist and narcissist, absolutely.
He's a real guru? Yeah, I guess all gurus are like this
@@Kasperanzaa yeah my point. Just because hes literally insane doesn't mean he doesn't believe his teachings.
@@KasperanzaaI second on the "all gurus are like this"