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Kevin and Marc get back behind the bar at the Scum & Villainy Cantina to review not 1, but 2 Batman movies! First, it’s BATMAN RETURNS AGAIN (aka #theflash )! Then we talk about the Schumacher Cut of BATMAN FOREVER!
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Timestamp guy is the real MVP 👍
Thank you❤❤❤
Thank you
As is customary for the people who do this. One big ol' Jeff's Kiss to ya! Thank you
When all the internet is on the hate wagon, it's refreshing to come listen to Kev's positive vibes. It's nice to see someone just passionately enjoy a thing
I hear Ezra Miller is passionate about choking women out to near death.
@@T0FFIIwow, you’re soooo cool, brewster( not really, you’re really just a pathetic fuck)
That’s why I’m here
Ditto. Movie was fun. It's over. Move on. The internet is so toxic just because.
Oh you mean the pedophile groomer Ezra Miller? Yeah he is also a woman beater too!
Props to kev for letting a fan politely criticize his own work. I would love if more artists were open to discussion like this.
That was really cool.
This is just shy of giving kudos to someone for being a decent normal human. That typed, yeah.
Most people, in the public eye or not, don't seem to behave like normal decent humans. A good aspect of this is that it informs people (behaving as sheeple) who follow him.
I can't count the number of times I've been waylaid by a group of "fans" (behaving in an unhealthy manner, to put it kindly) for critiquing something someone said or did... or just having a different opinion (than that of someone they idolize). It's not kosher. As an aside, never be an apologist, feel the need to attack someone else for having a different perspective (unless it's a take over the world type of perspective) or, well, idolize anyone. Be well and kind.
This was very interesting to be a part of, thank you to everyone who made it possible. Have a good one Kevin and Marc, I'm a bit drunk. Hehe. =^_^=
I’m so happy to see Kevin back. Nobody else i mean NOBODY else is as honest and open with his fans as him. I’m so proud of him overcoming the internet trolls who tried to cancel him. You try cancelling the rising sun it’s the same you can’t do it son! (That one just dawned on me…yikes.) Gots mad love for Marc too… 😘🤟
Whole time watching Kevin talk about the Flash and Marc waiting was like a still of Mufasa and Scar. Scar just waiting to give his take🤣 love the vid, good insight and camaraderie as always
I love how big and clownish the villains act, because that clashing against Val Kilmer's utterly serious performance, creates a surreal fever dream feeling. They are the perfect villains to counter him in particular. People don't understand this movie.
Best line of this podcast came from Joe... "Kevin, you are better than you give yourself credit for..."
1hr 54 minutes This guy makes me wanna cry. I love and appreciate Kevin Smith so much and he just said everything I could never say.❤
Get a life
Kevin Smith and Marc have been two of my favorite people I’ve ever gotten to watch. Kevin changed my outlook on living and Marc changed my outlook on art and how I deal with it. I appreciate every word he says.
@@danielklos1100% disagree. Let's say your analysis of Marc was bang on though; all it would mean is that he's a consistent person who is likely giving his genuine and honest analysis. Like, how can you say that another man's opinion or tastes are wrong? You can say you disagree with his take, but he's not wrong and obviously Kevin believes that Marc is genuine and holds Marc's insisghts in high esteem because Marc used to tear some of Kevin's work to shreds in the L.A. Times but there were always those moments in Kevin's work that Marc absolutely loved or the entire films that he loved from Kevin.
We've got to get past trashing someone because they have their own insights into what amounts to meaningless trivial nonsense at the end of the day. If a person comes up to you and says that killing people is ok then yea, trash that person and call him wrong. If a man comes up to you and says, "I didn't like a thing and let me tell you why", why trash him or treat his opinion as worthless and less than yours? How can you expect other people to respect your own insights and opinions and to take them seriously when you yourself refuse to offer the same treatment to anyone who dares to disagree with you in return?
@@danielklos1 You can criticize his work all day long, but that's not what you're doing. You said his opinion was WRONG, not that you disagree. Your comment reads as someone who is angry because Marc doesn't share the same viewpoints as you do. Marc has remained ever consistent in his analysis of these kinds of movies and as I said in my comment, all that tells me about him is that he's being 100% genuine and not hypocritical.
@@danielklos1 You literally said he comes to the WRONG CONCLUSIONS. Since his conclusions are his opinions you literally called his opinions wrong.
I didn't read the rest of your nonsensical diatribe. I seen something about McDonald's, I assume you used McDonald's to make a strawman argument or some comparison that in of itself has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion? Doesn't matter, the point is you in fact did call his opinions wrong. As I said above, why should anyone else offer your thoughts, analysis, and words any credit or respect when you yourself refuse to offer the same in return? That's the point and apparently, as you seem to do with Marc's words, you avoided it completely.
You have a good one.
@@danielklos1 I didn't read your response because the very first statement of your response was either you knowingly lying or it was factually incorrect. I'll let you choose which. It pretty much made the rest of your nonsensical diatribe moot at that point. Just to humor you though (actually it was humorous to me) I did go back and re-read it and I described your response perfectly in my last comment. It was an attempt to make a strawman argument by using McDonald's in a ridiculous comparison that had absolutely nothing to do with anything said here.
I didn't misconstrue anything you said. If you were not calling Marc's opinions wrong then you shouldn't have said they were wrong. Were I you, I'd be done arguing here too.
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Marc is racist not racial. If anyone else had dismissed an entire culture of people and classed them by the color of their skin, they would be cancelled. Being black in America doesn give you the right to discriminate wildly against others who suffered in this country as well. “Some white lady” referring to Barry’s mom…we FINALLY get inclusion and YOU gonna try and take that away…you should know better, Mark 😢
There will be no apology from Marc. He thinks he gets a pass, and Kevin gave him a pass too. Only Marc has authority on speaking on people's skin color, according to Marc.
Loved the Flash. I don’t understand the hate. I haven’t enjoyed a comic book movie that much in a long time. Very underrated imo.
They are just hating on the actor. I found the movie to be fine and enjoyable.
@chr1stopherthrobbin The CGI was abysmal. The plot was all over the place. Other than that was an ok movie. Keaton was the Shit.
@@joshuaweldy9598 anyone who merely went for Keaton should be dismissed. All that matters is what Flash fans think, and I for one loved it. Easily one of my favorite DC movies. Checked every box for what I wanted in a Flash movie.
Honestly love what you love. Most of the movies I like the most have bad ratings.. One of my favorite movies is Doom.. And I don't get the hate..
Perhaps the hate comes from the fact that Ezra Miller is a psychopath who should be in jail.
One thing a lot of people forget about movies that use time travel is that it's something that _doesn't actually exists._ It's ultimately just a science fiction/fantasy concept and therefore, writers and storytellers should be allowed free reign to invent whatever time travel "rules" they want.
If a movie wants to say that altering a timeline results in changes both in the future _and_ in the past, I'm happy to go along with it... just so long as they stay internally consist with their own rules.
The problem is that they aren't internally consistent with their rules, they are making them up as they go along. The thing about franchises with source material is that there is a basis for how these things are supposed to work, but Hollywood writers have a tendency to try and recreate the wheel. I personally don't like Endgame, because fundamentally it isn't a Marvel story. They cannot tell that story in the comics because things don't work like that. And then after Endgame, the MCU had to continuously put in fixes to the narrative retroactively so any of it makes sense.
@@darksaint0124 But why can’t the comic books and the movies be their own separate entities?
@@shelbyvillerules9962 If they wanted to do that they would have gone the Star Wars route. Instead they keep going to the comics for storylines to butcher. In case you haven't noticed Hollywood isn't exactly a bastion of creativity and new ideas. Most big budget movies are either established franchises or something they took out of the vault that has a fan base that they think they can exploit. At the end of the day the point is to make money, and the more these studios cannibalize stories that people originally liked, the more they lose money. There are things about Flashpoint that I really like, but those are few and far between. If you're going to adapt the story, then adapt the story and stop trying to make up things that make no sense. Personally, I feel like DC has never made it to a point where they had the basics of their universe setup. Marvel is very much the same, but we know why Marvel is in that situation, the Fantastic Four and the X-Men. DC owns all of their stuff, so they can't make that same excuse.
I love that Kev can look for the reasons to love things rather than the reasons that hate them. I also feel the same way he does about loving bringing people into the fold so to speak, by answering questions and giving the back stories. I wish I could just sit and talk with Kev over some food and drink, Ive never gotten to actually converse with someone else as passionate as I am in person.
the black guy calling the foreign actress white is the end of my respect for him and his portion of this video mainly because he seems clueless to the narrative and blind to the concepts in this film and just wants to tear it down.
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Grant Gustin’s Barry actually giving a shit about finding out who killed his mom from the get-go will always make him my preferred Flash😂😂
I think you are right but what did that cause good plot but not finding out in movie I think they were trying to use it as a plot device for the sequel
@@willcopeland275 The issue that I had with it was that there was no set-up to make us care for a sequel. All we got was a scream and Barry’s mom laying on the floor with a knife in her. At least in the first season of the show, we got glimpses of what had happened and clues that it was Eobard Thawne. The movie didn’t give us anything like that. At least in Batman Begins, we got a perfect set-up to introduce the Joker, and at the start of the sequel they said they had been trying to catch him for months.
Always love when kevin smith talks about comics and cinema ❤
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@@jeremiahnations8808 wassup human
I like the way you shit in public on the street
When Mark doesn't like a movie, he goes overbord with things don't make sense. He is not a very good critic with movies he hates.
Completely agree
Except that was my biggest take away from the movie also. Had fun but the idea that Barry had no interest in knowing who killed his mom rang so hallow. I understood that they probaly wanted to save Reverse flash casting for the next film so didn’t wanna show anything. But it just makes that whole thing feel inauthentic. Ima just change the events leading up to when she’s suppose to die. rather then confronting the man who took her from me.
He is looking at it from a writers point of view. Lets face it. Even DCEU fans have to admit writing is the kryptonite for DCEU . Eve
Marc’s not wrong. Get over it
Mark is spot-on, once again. It's no wonder that this movie is flopping like a dead carp on the beach.
Woof, the sarcasm here is killer!
Bro Marc got corrected and just ignored it. Batman says changing a point creates a new past. Its retrocausal. You need to know what the timetravel rules are before you criticize them. 1:00:40
True, the film is crap for many other reasons including the god-awful cgi,
The CGI was supposed to look like that.... Alternate timelines being distorted and warped ... Director even says that. Idk why it bothered so many people. Definitely didn't take away from the movie for me.
@@DarkChyld333 I noticed it and that's about as much of an issue that it was for me
@@DarkChyld333 I watched it recently and do actually believe the director that it was meant to be that way. I’m just happy that this marketing tool of a movie is getting a beating In reception. It seems tailor made for pensioners.
51:17 ''A lovely White lady from the suburbs'', Barry Allen's mom Nora was Hispanic Marc. How did you not notice she was speaking Spanish? For a guy who hyper analyzes everything, you sure did miss that the Flash is depicted as having Latin heritage, with a Latin mother played by Spanish actress Maribel Verdú who speaks and sings Spanish with her son throughout the film.
Joe just said exactly what most of us here think and feel. Kev, you really underestimate your talent and your impact. Sure not everything works 100% (Y.H, Tusk, the second half of Red State…), but your enthusiasm is always infectious and your heart and humour always shines through. Don’t stop! 🤩👍
1:27:28 PLEASE supply us with the workprint, Joe Black. There are fans who will do exactly what you got tired of doing for a month and could knock it out in a week. Would make a better presentation for Smith’s upcoming theatrical screenings of it.
1:00:39 They explained this via a spaghetti analogy for stupid people and even then Marc didn't get it? lol
That 1 sequence with Batman and kryptonian giant was fkn amazing! It was almost a perfect blend of Keaton and Battfleck
That was Non. Always has been. He is named in man of steel. Same Non from superman 2
I want to see the Schumacher Cut now! It’s not going to hurt the studio to release it since it’s been years since it was released.
I can see a leak happening before WB releases it.
Awesome - Kevin firing on all cylinders this episode 🔥
I'd love to see that cut. I actually really enjoyed the theatrical when I was a kid. Would be cool to see an alternate universe version.
Long live FMB, and long live Marc Bernardin. The Yang to Kevin’s Yin. The critical moonlight to Smith’s nostalgic sunlight. This is hands down the one of the best podcasts on the planet. Keep going, Gang.
I used to be a critic of movies, wanted movies to have “realism” & wanted movies to make sense.
Then I let go of my ego & started to enjoy movies for what they are, entertainment, fantasy, make-believe & non-fiction story telling.
I reckon Kevin Smith is at that stage of viewing movies now.
@@22volavola I think there's a way to healthily balance critical evaluation of films and literature with the unfiltered childlike enthusiasm that first drew us all to these stories in the first place without resorting to cynicism. Life is too short to be close-minded but true artistry takes skill, and we should always appreciate a successful effort, and we should always appreciate WHY an effort is successful.
The way I look at it is if you can make me believe the emotional story then I'll buy whatever sci fi/fantasy nonsense you want me to believe, because, as you say, it's all make-believe anyway.
I bought the time-travel in this movie no problem because I saw how much Barry loved his mother and how sweet and kind she was, and I wanted her back too. I was invested. They made me care.
It's make-believe, so, MAKE me believe, and I'll believe. But that's just how I look at it.
@@JdeMolayI concur.
I think Marc is racist
Wow the flash was surprisingly fantastic compared to the sloths who trashed it upon its release.❤😢🎉
Great stuff. Good to know i am not alone with how i feel about Michael Keaton being MY Batman! Kevin and I see it and feel the same way about Keaton as Batman! Keaton by far us my favorite live action Batman. In comics, video games and animated Kevin Conroy will forever be that voice for Batman. Keaton and Conroy, long live Batman!
This is Kevin rewriting history because he used to hate those movies, and basically thought that Tim Burton had never picked up a Batman comic in his life.
I loved the flash movie. It was amazing seeing keaton back and even the actor that plays the flash was good,
45:31 ''I like it too much. I grew up in an era where this didn't exist.'' I don't take it for granted either.
This Nora was clearly not a white lady from the suburbs. Not even kind of
I love when Mark tears into a film, and I think about all of the stuff he typically does that breaks the plot lol But I agree more with Kevin. I love these films despite their flaws and am just over the moon when we get them.
I cried at Barry's last moments with his mom, and thought of Kevin, in the theatre🤧. The film is great. Fighting Russians was some of the best Batman 🦇, on film. Moves🕺🏻 like Affleck. ♥️ Supergirl, red theme. Loved the twist to see 'multiplicity' Miller, with Keaton. Great live venue, tonight, btw.
Glad to hear it hit you emotionally! That part didn't get me, but I still really enjoyed myself. I think the theme of trying to get your lost loved one back was touching and definitely well acted. What was the multiplicity Miller reference?
"Multiplicity" is a 1996 American science fiction comedy film starring Michael Keaton and Andie MacDowell about a man able to duplicate himself by machine, each duplicate developing a different personality, causing problems.-Wikipedia
He got 'nuts,' and had a clone with less than stellar attributes, which was 'zany,' and part of the charm of the film. It's meant as a compliment to the layers, depth, of "the Flash."
i cried too. when he told her he was sorry and she was like nooo dont say that.
That's the only part of the movie I liked. I thought it was a nice moment. I hated the rest of the movie.
I’d rather watch Jared leto as the joker than aflec as Batman
Marc - color of skin doesn't matter.
Kevin’s experience of watching the film was EXACTLY my own. I had a rollicking great time. I’m too old to take comic book movies too seriously. I let myself enjoy the film for what it wants to be.
Absolutely
SAME
Damn, I heard of the Schumacher Cut just now and I live on another half of the globe without international passport. Anyway I wish everyone to have good time and Kevin not to be sued χD
I thought the Michael Keaton scenes stole the movie. Ezra was horrible, but damn, the Batman scenes were phucking awesome! I also thought everyone would go see the movie for Keaton.
I definitely am beyond ready to watch the Schumacher cut!!🦇🦇
I hope it leaks
@@PastaSauce. it probably will, as Thomas and the magic railroad unfinished Workprint leaked in 2020.
I'm just here for Mark's face when the super fan comes up. 😂
You are a talented and great film maker Kevin. Love your stuff!
I used to really like Mark, but the guy's ego is off the charts. I wish he got a shot at a big budget movie so another egotistical pundit could eviscerate his personal "logic." But it's bigger than that, he is a part of movie punditry that holds everything to such a huge standard, it's fucking impossible to please those people.
This is everything
It’s bitterness and insecurity disguised as ego. The man falls short of a full deck.
Joe black is a straight up gangster
Facts!
"Why a white woman in suburbia...". Someone ask Mark why it's so important for him to stress the race of Barry's mother? Does he think the filmmakers are somehow saying it's only because she's white that her death affected Superman in the alt timeline? If not, why mention it?
What would he say if it was a white guy was talking about a woman of color especially a black woman the way he does about white people do you think he would care then is he trying to be racist but not racist.
If the roles were reversed and he were a white guy who mentioned Barry’s mom was black for no reason like he did bringing up that she’s white he’d be cancelled. But that’s the double standard of the left. We aren’t supposed to notice race but Marc does and brings race up at every opportunity
What is wrong with Marc? Is he hung over or something? Why is he so hostile here?
Because he can't enjoy movies anymore and has to shit on everyone else opinions
He's always been this unbearable.
Blows my mind that Mark does not understand the timeline explanation. It's spelled out very clearly in the movie. The flash movie doesn't use back to the future type time travel. Changing an event doesn't simply change events going forward, it creates a sort of pivot point that changes events before and after, all around the event you changed. Not sure how you could watch the film 4 times and miss that.
Marc is right...
Marc is diehard Marvel. I'm not bashing him. Entertainment is subjective. But just listening to various episodes, he praises Marvel, tremendously, but DC, even when they do something moderately good, he dismisses it. That's his choice, though.
@@waynetech10yup that’s Marc smh
Did not think I would, but I really enjoyed The Flash. It was so much fun. I totally bought Keaton Batman being a recluse but his instincts kick in when he needed them to. The themes of loss and "what if" were really well done and paced. It could have been a trainwreck of Batman '89 references and I was very happy it was a focused story that kept going forward. Even if it stands on its own outside whatever the DCU becomes I was still fully entertained. P.S. I didn't like any of the Snyderverse movies, so there ya go.
Its embarrasing how badly Marc didnt get the scene where Batman explained the timelines
Marc isn't very bright. Never as been. He misses the point A LOT.
Exactly. New timeline also means new past. Its not complicated and a really interesting take on time travel.
Dude is a weird ass hater
What's embarrassing is the movie itself!! The CGI DOES take you out of the movie and Miller is annoying and does not resemble The Flash at all from the comics/animation!! I grew up with Keatons Batman too but it falls completely flat just like Zod!!
Too worried about the fact Barry's mom is white.
I want to see the Schumacher Cut worldwide!!!
I fucking need it dude. Don't get why the studios play so much hardball with those extanded cuts.
50:07 ''I'm not as enchanted by Ezra Miller, and it seems the audience feels the same way.'' The way the audience member reacts to Marc Bernardin's joke, was an awesome moment.
Doubling down on the false race card is frustrating. Especially after praising inclusion of newly federal recognized holiday of Juneteenth. “Some white lady” Juneteenth is celebrated by many Spanish speaking Texans who suffered and benefited from all aspects of this country. And to be shot down as just some white lady is so disrespectful from “some “”black”” man”
I loved that the conflict in the Flash couldn't be resolved, like other superhero/time travel movies that just go back to fix it (like Back to the Future and Endgame)
It's a good echo of how much of a mess the DC movies are.
Also a unique use of the villain, in that he also doubled as one of the main heroes.
Though in Endgame they weren't trying to alter the past, at all.
Flash is under rated, I think the hate wagon has just taken over.
I think Ezra ruined it by being a horrible person
@ 51:12, That's the whole plot of the movie! Barry THINKS that, because of the Butterfly Effect, he can't have too much interaction with that past, because it would change too much. Like Affleck warns him, he doesn't know for sure what effects saving his mom could have on the rest of the world. But like Keaton explains, ANY change to the past goes both ways. It has nothing to do with WHAT was changed. He specifically says that anyone stupid enough to change the past could create a giant mess of noodles crossing and diverging. Some universes running parallel is some parts, while others being vastly different. The change that Barry makes has no affect on the differences between this new universe and Barry's original timeline. The change just puts him on a completely different noodle. But the true irony is that Barry never actually learns this lesson, because he still changes the past by moving the can of tomatoes. Which is why Clooney shows up. Implying that he is on a new noodle, now.
Just here to remind everyone that JONATHAN MAJORS BEATS WOMEN AND MARC PRETENDS IT NEVER HAPPENED
Marvel absolutely needs to start giving more credit to these artists. 100 fucking percent. Stan Lee has been marketed for years now as if he is the sole person who created Marvel and everything in it.
Really like the new camera work. Can tell your trying something new.keep it going
My wife has just now suggested a young Micheal J. Fox as Peter Parker/Spiderman - GENIUS!
Mark skipped the spaghetti scene then quote-unquoted his own quote from seconds prior.
56:11 Barry says in the movie, that the reason the burglar broke in the house in the first place, was because they thought the house was empty since his dad had left to get the tomatoes. So, if dad is home, burglar doesn’t brake in. There was no need to find the murderer’s identity because Barry was trying to prevent them entire event from happening.
“No need to find the identity.” I’d kinda wanna know who killed my mom.
With regards to the Wayne Manor 'sets' in the flash. They're actually filmed in a real house in England, they simply went back to the same house they used in Batman 1989. Pretty cool for big 89BM fans to see it all and instantly recognise it.
I agree with Marc about a lot of his criticisms of the Flash, but at the same time, I wonder if those criticisms come from a place of the film "assuming" that the audience has a certain level of familiarity going in, and taking advantage of that as a means of not really trying to explain a whole hell of a lot... this is actually a wildly interesting topic, ESPECIALLY when it comes to superhero movies.
The movies don't necessarily have to be well-oiled profound narratives with efficient and watertight plots if you're writing for an audience of super nerds that regularly peppers in phrases like, "Because you and me, we're from the streets."
And if I can use my pre-existing knowledge of these characters, themes, and story beats to fill what are clearly some significant plot-holes in a movie, that's generally considered to be bad writing. And you also want to market for the audience that's been living under a rock for fifty years so that THEY don't get lost in the sauce trying to figure out what the fuck is going on. Imagine watching this movie and having NO IDEA that there was going to be a Superman movie in the late 90s directed by Tim Burton, starring Nicholas Cage... At THAT point, I'd be like, "Are these assholes fucking with us right now?."
That's why Batman's parents have died like... nine times in live-action media in the last thirty years.
Do we really need to see that happen YET again?
It's why Batman V Superman wasn't even the most faithful live-action adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns to come out the entire year of 2016. And The Flash has the exact same problem as Batman V Superman does -- It's trying to force character beats and moments onto characters who just aren't THERE yet. So when Marc talks about how it's bullshit that Barry going back in time to save his mother somehow means that Superman (who would've been on earth for thirty-three years at this point) never existed in this universe... You're absolutely right, because Henry Cavill is significantly older than Ezra Miller, it's wildly incredulous.
That's a Year 20 Batman vs. a Year 3 Superman. The FIGHT in The Dark Knight Returns wasn't about "Hey, you're an alien!" "Hey, you're an asshole!" it was ABOUT... the Sokovia Accords. Men who have known each other for DECADES - A political liability vs the President's personal lapdog. Much like Steve and Tony, Clark and Bruce have WILDLY differing ideas about what it means to be held accountable.
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TL;DR - Marc, if you check out the animated DC feature, "The Flashpoint Paradox," even it's a HEAVILY abridged version of the comics event that kicked off the New 52. It's not perfect, but it does address a lot of these criticisms. Namely in the fact that you can clearly see where DC was trying to adapt this storyline, but then they couldn't get THAT actor, so they changed the character, and they couldn't get THAT actor, so they changed the character.... etc.
And why Sasha Calle and Michael Keaton ARE in this movie. They couldn't get Jeffrey Dean Morgan, and fans would have freaked the fuck out if they hired Michael Keaton to play THOMAS Wayne. Henry Cavill couldn't care less, Christian Bale wouldn't touch a shared universe if you paid him by signing over the deed to Fort Knox.
This movie was never supposed to be something that could financially justify including a large-scale war between Atlantis and Themyscira as the backdrop for this little adventure.
I agree with everything you said bar the comment about Henry Cavill. He definitely cared.
@@king_julian327
You are absolutely 100% right.
It's just that after how WB/DC have given him the shaft on several occasions, if they called him up and asked him to be in The Flash, I think he would have politely declined.
I've never heard a reviewer bring up race during reviews as much as Marc, so annoying
it's always the one with an anime profile...
Marc is such a racist, bear with me, that comment didnt have to be said that way, he couldve just said some lady in the suburbs, also it was pretty clear that his mom was latino of some sort, but if he doesnt see black he only sees white… this isnt the first time hes done this, he has a very large history of this… i once had a back n forth with him on twitter about Dr Strange and to not write the whole convo down the last thing he said in the convo to me was “well im not gonna cry that another white actor didnt get a job”… believe me the context of that whole convo has actually turned me off this show and Kevin for not keeping him in check… listen bottom line if kevin said that line and changed it to “black woman from hood” the reaction would be CRAZY.
“Batman and Robin is better than Batman Forever.” Wooow, I thought the cantina was about to riot. 😂😂😂
Marc Bernard .. I would hate to be him .. how do you go through life hating everything .. and they explained the time travel stuff .. you create a whole new timeline past and present .. also his moms death being the fixed point in time is great . That means there are fixed points that are random . It doesn’t have to be a president getting shot or a major earthquake.. I can be anything.. and the reason he didn’t stop the people killing his mom is cause he was trying to make his presence in the past the unnoticed not to mess up time line … do the least amount possible but still change the outcome ..
It’s like you go into movie already wanting to hate it and don’t pay attention to the details..
Oh yeah...do the least big thing possible...to have the least impact possible while still achieving your goal....ugh, Marc, da fuck
I love the idea of Indiana Jones seeking Thor’s Hammer. That’s a great idea. I also like the idea of seeking Excalibur.
I don't know if this is true but I've heard there's a fan fiction story where the millennium falcon is being chased by imperials and crashes on earth and han is killed instantly leevn Chewy to fend for himself deep in an alien Forrest.. Humans start seeing Chewy and enlist Indiana Jones to find him..like Indy vs Bigfoot/Chewbacca
@@ridgelife6062That was a non canon but official story
@Kevin Smith Do you think its possible for Warner Bros to release the Schumacher cut on blu ray for everyone to see? I personally can't attend your theater screening, even though that would be amazing!
I like the part where Barry shows Barry the little bag of laughs he found. For some reas, Bruce Wayne retrieved and kept the Joker's little bag of laughs we saw Gordon take out of the Joker's coat pocket at the end of Batman '89. Why would he do that? I think he kept it as a reminder that killing the man who killed his parents didn't make him feel better or bring them back. Revenge didn't get him even, it only made him feel more empty. So he kept that little bag of laughs, and every time he needed a reminder of why he does what he does, he'd look at it. Batman's quest should be for justice, not revenge, and killing your enemies isn't justice. It only makes you more like them. I imagine he had to remind himself of that moral lesson often.
Am I the only one thinking: Kev already dreaming of his and Ben's wedding, all crying "I'm marrying my best friend...", Monica style?
Seems the Schumacher Cut was more inline with the Official novelization, but I could be wrong and if I am apologies
i took a family member with me to the movies that didn't really know anything about the flash, we were literally the only ones in the theater. i cheered when i saw the Nic Cage Superman and i damn near choked on my soda i snuck into the theater when George Clooney showed up
I fucking bet my last dollar that Kevin could get Nick Cage to be in Tusks, and Nick would happily volunteer to read Superman Lives
Marc is THE reason why i dont listen to this pod especially his comments on barrys mom..... if the roles were flipped and a white guy said that he'd be cancelled 52:21
Even putting that particular comment aside, I’ve never found him fun or funny to listen to. He’s overly critical and thinks he’s being funny about it. Kinda wish Kevin either found someone else or flew solo in this show.
White people aren't discriminated against, you're completely missing the nuance of Marc who is black, saying that statement. Miss with me that if the roles were flipped argument, it doesn't hold any water.
@@Luke56721 im Mexican but i have light skin and look white. I hear people of my own culture talking racist shit about me in Spanish. If you act like a victim thats all you'll ever be but sure, blame the system for you being where you are in life. My dad not from here, not speaking the language has become not only successful but is his own boss. BUT hey the system kept him down lol.
Marc had nothing to say when Bamff Man explained why The Flash works. 😂
Hard to argue with spaghetti
The REAL batmobile was on display in my city back in 1990, it was a surreal experience for me seeing it up close!
The flash is a great solid film. I enjoyed every second of it. I’m not a Flash expert I’ve never watched the show or read the comics. I was entertained for 2 1/2 hrs.
I remember as a kid making tons of cardboard prototypes trying to carve the Batman logo correctly. Thanks Kev for bringing that memory.
Kevin,
Is truly a fan of comics, comedy, and his art.
I’m glad I saw this podcast he is truly a fan of the movies in his own way.
He has truly tried to express his art in the best way he sees possible.
I really respect the way he responds and respects his fans.
The way he can agree and disagree with others critical thinking on his art without changing his vision because that is his perspective.
Kevin don’t share yourself short , you’re the ultimate fan in all of us who has been blessed to create and be a part of pop culture that the average fan cannot.
The fact that you continue to support average fans through giving us access to be in the room either through fan meetings, podcasts, interviews, or your movie theater.
Kevin your legit man❤
It was a fun movie, but after the last Avengers, it's hard not to want better CGI when you know that the industry knows how to do much better than that. It's like you pay to have a realistic statue of the character you love and they send you a poorly made plastic statue of that character.
@1:37:30 is a prime example of what a f'in boss Kevin is and why so many people like him.
Marc is just a hater
They clearly explain why he didnt stop the killer and went for the can instead. He was supposed to interfere as little as possible, he was trying to only chage the tiniest thing, then it all spun out of control. How is marc even a writer if he can't follow a story??
I general I respect him, but sometimes I think he feels the need to be the contrarian.
Too many years as a film critic. Their mantra is: "How can I $#&! on this?"
Again, this is why Mark irritates me. They explain shit, and he ignores it and commences bitching...
Why not remove the knife that she got shanked with or close the door killer came in 🤷🏾♂️
My parents took me to see Batman Forever when I was ten, and it captured my imagination in such a big way that it's still, and will always be not only my favorite Batman movie, but maybe even my favorite superhero movie of all time. And BOY do i take crap for that.
I'm with Kevin. This movie was just SO fun, the Marc questions seemed so nitpicky, I went with the flow and enjoyed myself. I saw it 2x and can't wait to see it again and buy on bluray.
I’m starting to think he’s kind of racist
I managed to hold it together until the glimpses of the Multiverse, Golden Age Flash, "Look! Up in the sky...!", George Reeves, Christopher Reeves, Adam West...I was bawling when that started. They were all special to me and I loved the tribute.
Really? You were bawling? What a twat.
Just got done watching the Stan Lee documentary. He gives tons of credit to the other creators and constantly says “we” and “us” when talking about the various creations. The debate is even addressed at one point in his own words, specifically about Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby. He certainly wasn’t a perfect person, but he was no villain either.
I was about to say the same thing. Nothing in the documentary gave me the impression that Lee was stealing credit. From the creation of the Fan Four to the Hulk and so on, it tracks with everything I've heard from him before. Lee was a team player and always championed the company as a whole not himself. I would dare say the Kirby family didn't watch the film and only spoke up because it was an opportunity for publicity.
@57:31 That broke my heart.... I hope WB get that the money the Flash has made, is just BECAUSE of Michael Keaton... EVERYONE wants a Batman Beyond movie and MK deserves to have it!
He’s the worst Batman. There was no need for him to be in the movie just to please the 12 old people in the crowd. Keaton’s appearance upends the story and feels like a reshoot gone wrong.
If EVERYONE wants a Batman Beyond movie, they would’ve gone and supported this movie off the back of MK being in it.
Bruh telling a director how he should have ended a movie. To his face. On his podcast. This guys wild
WTF is a bruh?
@@flipjupiter1 that’s what we call the mole on your moms right ass cheek.
@@flipjupiter1it's Bro with an stoner accent.
I can usually see where Marc's coming from with his criticisms and for the most part can here too, but he seemed to miss the spaghetti explanation despite shrugging it off while talking about it. Barry's mother surviving didn't necessarily change Superman's trajectory in that timeline, it's that it was a completely different timeline at its core. To go back in time snaps Barry's original strand of "spaghetti" and places him in a different strand of "spaghetti". It isn't just the one act of placing the can of tomatoes in the cart and having Barry's mother live that warps the entire series of events, it was always a different series of events all together that Barry naively placed himself into. That's why he was warned not to try it - because he, on a surface level, misunderstood the rules of time travel (in the DC universe). It's why placing the can of tomatoes on the top shelf so his father's face appears on camera ultimately stuck Barry in yet ANOTHER strand of "spaghetti" that was different than his original, as we see that the store footage is different and, of course, the Bruce Wayne who knows Barry is obviously different as well. The movie ultimately shows us that there's no easy "out" for messing with time travel, and as Bruce (Affleck) warned at the beginning of the movie, it'd be extremely dangerous to attempt.
All that said, I can agree with most of his other criticisms, especially Barry not caring about who actually killed his mother in THIS movie (as opposed to the never-coming sequel).
A lot goes over his head and it's odd, but yeah he tends to criticize things he clearly didn't understand that made perfect sense for myself and others.
@@Axolotl_Mischief Which just makes him the same as everybody else, including you and me. If not for this movie, then for others.
@@Axolotl_Mischief I dunno, I don't usually feel like he misunderstands most things he criticizes. Like I said, I can usually see where he's coming from even if I don't entirely agree. Honestly the only reason I commented is because I noticed he may have misunderstood the spaghetti metaphor and I'm not used to him missing blatant info like that.
I never bumped into Barry not being interested in who the killer was. He was just much more focused on saving his mum or clearing his dad's name.
Far as I could tell he had nothing to go on and interfering further to find out or change events was to risk dire consequences, going back to his attempt to make the smallest possible change and not risk destroying the universe.
@@Elwaves2925 yeah, I don't know, I see plenty of people pointing out his ignorance on many points...things established he conveniently overlooks...
Warner Brothers is clueless as fuck. Why wouldn’t you automatically do a Batman Beyond movie with Keaton
As soon as I saw the cameos. I knew I had to see what Kevin Smith had to say.
Kevin: Thats my BATMAN he dont give a f!@# lol (41:47)
God damn. Kevin is so well spoken on the Stan Lee/Jack Kirby topic. Knockin' it out of the park these days!
I personally enjoyed The Flash. I'm definitely going to see it again cause I don't wanna wait for streaming and Blu-ray. Same as Kevin I was mainly going to see Keaton and I could've used more Supergirl. Calle was killer in that role, being said god bless Henry Cavill. 🙏
I love how Kevin supports the DCEU. He never sounds like hes defending it for no reason. He perfectly lays out what he loves about the movies and he doesnt ever, EVER claim that his opinion of it or enjoyment of it is the CORRECT OPINION.
Agree he just happens to be friends with Ben Affleck and what’s wrong with that? He’s a shill for comic book shit, when he cries watching trailers or describing pivotal and seminal moments in comic movie, ifeel that! He’s passion and emotion rants, I share the same sentiments!
Is it possible to add compression to their mic feed next time?