Official SCHUMACHER CUT Batman Forever Review & Recap 🦇
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Join me for this recap & review of my trip to Smodcastle Cinemas in Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey, where I attended one of only two screenings to ever take place of "Batman Forever: The Schumacher Cut" hosted by Kevin Smith himself 🦇
The "Schumacher Cut" of Batman Forever is a darker, character-focused version of the 1995 film. It gained attention due to its restored scenes, tonal consistency, and fan demand for a deeper exploration of the Batman universe, making it a sought-after alternate cut in the Batman film series.
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Batman Forever was the first Batman movie I seen in the cinema and I still love it.
I think it’s underrated, people unfairly group it in with Batman and Robin which has its flaws.
Same here, i was 4
I love it too.
@@TheTrentGibsonI see.
@@91lifetime23I had the film on both DVD and Blu-Ray.
I would love to see the Schumacher Cut of Batman Forever even if it only has a slight changes to the film we already saw.
Batman speech on how he chooses to be batman is literally the best part of the movie, absolute shame they excluded it
Agreed.
I wish I had gotten to see the shumaker cut. Batman forever is my favorite childhood Batman film
I think since I was able to see a screening it won’t be too long before it ends up leaking online if DC doesn’t release it!
Val kilner was a good batman
Alfred saying "not in this lifetime" is so poignant and sad it honestly made me tear up. Because no Batman ever got to stop wearing the cowl until Christian Bale hung up in DKR. Even Keaton had to don it again for Flash.
need a physical release badly
Cutting out Two face's hand catching the coin after death... thats one of the best parts of the movie.
I know! Reminds me of T2. I wonder if they did a reshoot to add that moment or if it just didn’t make it into the Schumacher Cut at that point.
What Batman Forever needed was flashbacks.
The film should've shown flashbacks of Harvey Dent before he was disfigured.
Tommy Lee Jones is so perfect to play the DA, it’s a shame we didn’t get to see some scenes of him working in the courtroom
And becoming White since he was black in the first movie
@@TheTrentGibsonI always felt that he was completely miscast. He went on cruise control and just pretended to be Joker.
@@morgandavis6788he probably would have given a different performance had it not been such a, “har-Dee-har-har” silly movie, and instead a more serious crime drama, maybe something like the Dark Knight, for example as far as the overall tone of the film 🤷♂️
Is this going to get an official blu ray ? I always loved two face quote “ if the bat wants to play we’ll play “ ❤
So far that hasn’t been any news on a release of the Schumacher Cut. I’m guessing their won’t be if they haven’t done it yet unfortunately. Would be so easy for them to throw it on Max and get a bunch of viewers too.
I imagine it will leak online eventually if there are copies floating around like the one Kev Smith has.
@@TheTrentGibson keep us posted with #TheSchumacherCut ive been after the original three hour version for years ive soared deep through the net to find it and no fucking luck lol
@@SJ_1990 You're looking for "Batman Unchained"... which was Schumacher's original idea and script. It was never shot... not even one scene, so there is nothing to find.
That and "The Schumacher Cut" of Batman Forever are completely different.
You can find the script online, though.
There is the official comic book adapation of Batman Forever (where you can find and read online), where there are included some of the deleted scenes (and the order of the comic scenes is like the order from the original script), including the escape of Two Face from the Arkham Asylum, the scene with the Riddler who gives Chase the shot with the syringe and the original ending with Chase with Alfred (with that famous quote) and then Batman e Robin standing on a gargoyle with the city and the batsignal behind them, so I really believe it was made when the cut of the film was still the one wanted by Schumacher and not the one later modified by Warner.
Makes me sad general audiences will never see the Schumacher cut.
I'm holding out hope!
I could see it happen at some point. If they think there's money to be made, they'll do it. The film's 30th anniversary is coming in 2025, so that might be the perfect time for it. Plus, WB have done alternate cuts for films before with the Donner for Superman II, extended tv cut for Superman: The Movie, and Snyder cut, obviously. Fingers crossed, they'll eventually add the Schumacher cut to that list.
Still so crazy how the studio saw Forever as more "Family Friendly" When it was just as if not even more erotic than returns between the sexualization of the batsuit (nipples butt etc), comments like "black rubber", Two Faces girls in lingerie etc.
I was there. Seated near to Kev. He was crying for 90% of the movie.
Which month did you go? I was at the 2nd screening in August.
@@TheTrentGibsonlol it's a joke cuz kev is always crying these days
I’ve been in the minority, but thought Val balanced the Bruce/Batman roles well… didn’t believe MK was a billionaire (awesome Batman) Clooney (bad casting) Bale did both well, Affleck good Bruce bad Batman… just my taste tho
Personally I think with the right director they all could do great/different performances. Including Clooney, he was going for an Adam West style it seemed. Which could have worked with the way Marvel makes lighter hero movies.
I love all the scenes of Kilmer in the batcave. They seemed to get his best dramatic work there.
I’d love to see the kind of Batman movie Nicole Kidman thought this would be. Her every scene was acted (and weirdly also shot?) like a film noir piece.
Interesting point! It’s almost like a separate movie.
7:28 In the theatrical cut, and it is extremely brief with an overhead shot, we do actually see the floor dissappear around Batman as the lair gets destroyed which revealed half of the floor as a hologram as you say. But it is a blink and you miss it moment as we see Sugar and Spice run away as the lair is destroyed.
Awesome! You can see the hologram flickering. I never noticed that.
"Batman Forever" was.. all right. Great score by Elliot Goldenthal though(love his themes for the Riddler and Two-Face).
He really did good work here. There’s some other great scores of his from the 90s, he doesn’t get talked about enough.
@@TheTrentGibsonwatch Demolition Man. There's at least one musical cue in that movie which is identical to one of the cues in BF
Batman vs Manbat... holy ironic twist!
This needs to happen!
Would be interesting, we haven’t seen a solo Batman movie go further into the sci fi direction like that could.
The Pee Wee Herman music was hilarious!
Thanks for the video.
Thank you!
I actually don't remember seeing that shot of Robin getting closure from Two-Face's death. I remember it cut immediately from the wide of him falling into the pit to Arkham Asylum,.
I want to see this so bad now
Saaame
I don't want "The Schumacher Cut"...
I want Schumacher's original script and idea to finally be made into a film... "Batman Unchained".
I'd love if they started making animated films out of unused scripts like Superman Lives or Batman Unchained. Use the same design style as if were made back then. I think those would be a hit because so many of us have read about those potential films.
@@TheTrentGibsonwell thanks to AI it will eventually be happening
Oh man I really want to see this.
The funniest part of ur breakdown is when u said "abouuut" like a Canadian..😂❤ carry on
That’s hilarious, I didn’t realize I had the Canadian accent 😄
Amerikans say "ABOWWWWT" There's no W in About.
BOF sent me here. Thank you for making this video. Hopefully one day WB will release this Director's Cut of the film. I'm surprised they cut some parts out from the original film, I suppose that might be needed to help with the tone of the film. I'd be perfectly fine if they left all the original scenes in and just added in the cut scenes. It would make the film longer and there is nothing wrong with that.
Kiss From A Rose. Boom.
That's gotta be one of the most iconic soundtrack songs, a classic.
it's always interesting to see different cuts of movies - just look at both versions of payback with mel gibson
Great example. Its amazing to see how the same scenes can play so differently with a few changes.
There's another version of Payback? 😮
Kevin Smith ruined MOTU!
Thanks for the review! I may have missed it but what was the running time of this cut?
Haha thats exactly the theme from Pee Wee I thought of when you mentioned it. Nice, hope this gets released someday, I loved the original, but I know it can be better!!
That song has been stuck in my head ever since! 😂
To me it sounds like what we got is the best version of the movie. I enjoy Forever and definitely have a soft spot for it, but boy does that movie drag in parts. I think the pacing sounds slower in this cut, especially how it doesnt start with the vault heist. The cut sounds like it has it moments but overall we got the best timeline. Would still watch if it got released for sure tho
Definitely a slower pace in the Schumacher Cut. I can see why they deleted the things that they did for the theatrical. Someone to the deleted scenes did help smooth the pace out a bit but in truth they probably could cut a bit more… I’m looking at you Nicole Kidman scenes lol
Also when batman 🦇 begins got made 8 years later I was ,so glad Christopher Nolan directed it in his own image on how batman 🦇 should be ,and Christian bale was chosen.
They could've made something out of the giant bat in his nightmare. We could've seen that character from the Animated Series
I know! The way the Bat looked and how they shot it really could have been interesting as the Man-Bat character.
Damn that sucks I wish I could see this version
Part of me doesn't want to see it because to me Batman Forever is perfect and one of my favourite movies of all time.
I understand your point of view, you hear fans asking for extended additions of everything… Sometimes things were cut with good reason lol
So we just need a full extended cut
Did they add back the Musical number?
Batman Forever 👌🏽
Batman Forever to me looked like Batman the animated series the live action movie.
How was the quality of the deleted scenes? Were they at least touched up to match the film?
This copy of the Schumacher Cut came from the editing stage so the deleted scenes hadn’t been touched up yet. However I was watching in the theatre on a big screen and it didn’t bother me. Getting Warner Bros to remaster those scenes probably won’t happen unless we get an official release.
Hopefully, we get the Schumacher Cut released on Blu Ray.
If it took 19 years for us to get the official release of the Producers Cut of Halloween 6, we should be able to get this. Maybe in a couple of years for the 30th anniversary of Batman Forever, we'll get it.
Was really impressed with how well you concealed it until the very last word, "check it oot"
Barf, Kevin Smith
Batman 209:
The city of Stockton California is now Gotham California. It takes place is 1994 and 2014
In 1994 during a surge of gang violence, a vigilante going by the name of The Batman, begins to murder gang leaders, draining them of their blood and leaving their bodies in public places for all to see.
Towards the end of the year, more vicious criminals begin to attack the city.
The Batman's first big criminal he kills is an Unnamed, ms13 Salvadoran member who went by the name of Joker.
Joker would butcher five families in their homes, killing fifteen before murdering 4 prostitutes and a cop. It was reported that The Batman kept Joker alive for seven hours, during which he tortured the man, having to revive him with medication when Joker continued to pass out from pain.
The Batman would also take on the District Attorney Harvey Dent after finding numerous cases had been done through illegal means. The Batman would burn half of Harvey's face using steam from a pan and carve into the burns, "two faced". Harvey would die from his injuries hours later
The batman would again cause controversy by 95, after throwing a female drug dealer from a six story roof by the name of poison Ivy.
The batman would finally go into hiding after viciously murdering crime boss Oswald Copplepot by slowly waterboarding him for four hours before holding his head in a bucket until he drowned.
A new batman would emerge as the city would fall back in chaos and crime during the cities bankruptcy. But that's another story for another time
Really interesting. Never much of a fan but fascinating to hear about how editing changes focus and tone.
Theatrical version didn’t leave an impression on me.
schumacher cut just sounds like the workprint cut that got released online like almost 20 years ago.
If you find a link to this let me know, I’ll compare 🦇
@@TheTrentGibson the newest link should work, you will have to download and unzip the movie. Biggest difference I can think of is what you mentioned with the music in the added scenes. Hope to hear back from you soon!
You just watched the red book edition from the internet and that version seems better than what you watched minus that stupid Pee-Wee Herman music.
do you have a link?
@@Luc4valcant1 if you Google Batman forever virtual work print you should be able to find it pretty easily
You went to Jersey? I follow the theater and I never see them advertise it ;(
Yes, went out to Jersey. Was a fun trip. The theatre is in a nice town.
They took out Robin's foot fetish clip?!
Haha I’m guessing it wasn’t shot at this point and was added in.
It was a pretty cool movie
neat
#Release the Schumacher cut
We can only hope it’ll escape the vault!
Batman Forever would have been so much better if two face was just dialed back. A serious, menacing two face acting as a foil against a zany, over the top riddler would have worked a lot better.
I agree! Jim Carey is gonna be himself so that's what you'll get with his Riddler. On the other hand Tommy Lee Jones is the perfect person to play a serious Two Face... He just went in a different direction. The movie he filmed before Batman Forever is Natural Born Killers where he also plays a over the top character... Interesting to wonder how he would have played Two Face if he didn't film that role right before this one.
Also I'm not blaming Joel Schumacher not saying it's his fault it's that he wanted to do it his way ,and go the dark route of Tim burtons Michael keatons version ,so Warner bros made him go kid friendly I mean why do people make other people do something they don't want to do?
The Schumacher cut! The cut no one was asking for, but the one that exists.
Is there any way you can watch the Schumacher cut ?
Not at the moment!
Is this the Red Book edition?
No, this was a version early in the editing process. It had multiple deleted scenes that are not in Red Book or anywhere else online. I wish it were! I’d like to see some of those scenes again.
Is this real? Where can I buy this?
It is real! It’s not available to download or buy unfortunately at the moment. The screening I went to was able to attain a leaked copy of the Directors Cut. Hopefully it will make its way online for everyone to see.
Where is the cut? Still waiting.
I don’t know why they don’t drop it on Max, wouldn’t cost them much other than rescoring and would get huge viewership from bat fans.
True
I'm pretty sure using a KS thumbnail might not be the best cred for an otherwise good video 😉 His shilling lately has been strong. I miss the pre shill Kevin. Added: OK, Kevin facilitated this screening. Now I get it.
He definitely has his fans and detractors that's for sure!
pyrotechnics
This movie was awesome and a huge part of my childhood
Same!
Tf? This actually does exist?
Why does it sound like Kal Penn is narrating? Lol. Jokes aside, do you believe this will ever be released?
BAKER. Rick Baker. Academy award-winning special effects makeup wizard Rick Baker. Not Rick Barry.
Lol I had NBA legend Rick Barry on the brain apparently, how didn’t I notice that 😅
I only mention it because I know the guy who built the thing. He worked for Rick Baker.
My favorite batman was always ben affleck ,because he had the size ,bulk and intimidation and everything batman 🦇 was in the 90's animation ,also batman forever was ok ,and it had it's moments now with batman and Robin I did not like at all ,because it felt rushed and the nipples on the suit looked weird .
Batman 89 was the best it truly was the car in Forever was just awful in design. Lee Jones 2 face was awful and Jims Riddler was as well
Joel Schumacher, the Franchise-Killer. Well, he's gone now, so he can do no more harm. It's my opinion, I'm entitled to it, and you don't have to like it or agree with it. Nicole Kidman in a bed sheet was the best part of the flick.
He was just doing what the studio wanted.
Even as a teenager in 1995 I didn't like this movie. I tried watching it a few weeks ago on a streaming service and it was so godawful I turned it off. With that said this is a masterpiece to the utter trash that is Batman & Robin.
I actually enjoy Forever in its own way. But we can definitely agree that next to Batman and Robin in looks like Citizen Kane 😄
I agree. I saw this twice in the cinemas in 1995 but have just never enjoyed it in any level.
They made 2 face as Joker smh not great🥸🤦🤓
That’s the toughest part of this movie to get over. Tommy Lee Jones who is a great dramatic actor could have balanced Jim Carey’s over the top role with a serious Two Face.
@@TheTrentGibson exactly
Oh no it's boiling acid is classic
So is I'll get drive thru
Gotta love the two Schumacher movies start with fast food jokes lol
@@TheTrentGibson I'll get drivethru 🤔 and what's the other one
I just can’t stand looking at Kevin Smith
Good news for you then, he's just in the thumbnail. But I have to thank the man for holding the screening. Wouldn't have been able to see it otherwise.
@@TheTrentGibson Understood. Force choke uninitiated.
Remember no matter how good or not good this work print is it will never be 1995 again and you ought to move on with your life.
Well made video.
Thank you!
Are you kidding me, wtf everyone is Cashing in on
What Zack Snyder gave us in the much anticipated piece of Gold
J.L Snyder Cut.
Now all of a sudden all the other Producer / Directors are trying to do the same.
No, this is nothing new and Snyder isn't the first to have a different cut of a film. Director's Cut has been around for decades.
This is a trash film that should have never happened. Wb screwed Keaton and Burton then years later screwed over ben affleck and Zach snyder.
Tbh BvS was trash
BVS should have never happened. I’d say that movie killed the DCEU., before it took off. Then suicide squad was the nail in the coffin.
Doesn't really improve this campy forgettable movie but it at least it fleshes it out a bit more and STILL superior to 1997 Batman and Robin
I rather watch this than any of the nolan batman movies
Keep Kevin Smith away from batman! He already ruined Masters in the universe!
did Kevin Smith cry when he introduced the movie?