The Honingham Hall Shooting
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- 3rd December 1944 was the date of a now largely forgotten murder in Norfolk, this its story.
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Lives a life of danger,
Killed at home.
Just goes to show that you never know when your time is up.
Sad story.
My colleague retired and a few months later his wife found him dead from a heart attack, if he’d been at work that day he’d have had immediately treatment because we worked at a hospital.
Fantastic well written and narrated piece of history that is not well known about . I hope that one day you will collate all these stories into a book ,most of these I have never heard of even though I lived in Norfolk for many years .
Interesting video. You are quite right that Eric Teichman was born in Kent (in Eltham). "Erik Teichmann" was how his birth was registered and this spelling he appears to have retained by him for the 1891 and 1901 censuses. His father, Emil Teichmann had been born in Germany which possibly accounts for the Erik spelling, Erik's brother was given the name Oskar.
In 1921 Erik married Ellen C Niven, however by now he had dropped the second 'n' of his surname and he had become Erik Teichman. When and why his surname changed I can only speculate, possibly during the Great War he wished to sound less Teutonic but if so, there's little difference between Erik Teichmann and Erik Teichman on the Germanic scale.
By 1939 Erik had become Eric and he was registered in the 1939 Register as Eric Teichman living at Honingham Hall.
If you search for Erik Teichmann you will find our Eric's birth registration.
What an incredible story. I was a Military wife. I am gobsmacked that anyone ever in our history was Court Martialed 9 times!!!! I guess truth is stranger than fiction. Normally that absolutely could not happen. I can only guess War needs trumped other things.
this deserves so much more than 82 likes, the amount of dross that get's thrown up, but you have put so much quality into this and a huge effort, thank you, why they knock down beautiful buildings and put up cheap, souless, sterile tat i'll never know, i also feel sorry for the blackbirds, hope the squirrel got back safe as well
They're throwing up some houses near me at the moment, and they're strikingly devoid of any architectural interest whatsoever. They're so bland, so boxy, so copy/paste, they make 70s Brutalism seem pleasant by comparison.
Yes, that was 60s, what the war didn't oblitarate through enemy bombing, the peacetime modernists had a very good try at demolishing. Unfortunately in a time of a lot of council corruption some really bad buildings went up using some very bad construction materials (I went to a new secondary school in 1969 that was demolished less than 40yrs later.) Whilst not on the same scale perhaps it is still happening with backhanders given in exchange for contracts.
The hall could have been used for all sorts of purposes including a hotel or a specialist hospital or a conference centre etc, but if nothing else it could have been developed into flats as we still do not have enough places for people to live and Norwich is a large city.
Not sure if this is the problem, but for me putting up a like on a video about a murder seems a bit off putting.
@@PtolemyJones I faced that same quandary when I first ever started viewing videos! I decided that I'm not voting on how I like or dislike the content/perpetrators, rather, how well or how badly the uploader presents the story. I can always express my distaste for the content/perpetrators in the comments. :)
One word for this destruction of British heritage POLITICIANS 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵
Here in the States it’s actually quite common to go hunting in winter. And there were many many hunters in America going into WWII because they were coming out of the Depression where you often had to hunt to eat. I’ve talked with people who have said the eating of squirrels, blackbirds, even possums was common. Eating a possum is like eating a large rat. They gorge themselves on ticks, which of course drink blood.
Smith had faced EIGHT courts martial and was still in the military, even in wartime you have to have discipline, perhaps even more so, and yet he hadn’t been jailed let alone being dishonourably discharged, America had no shortage of manpower, or any commodity when it came to their servicemen, so why was he still enlisted?, it strikes me that there is probably more to the story of smith and his service record, I can’t believe he got away with eight courts martial and didn’t get booted back to the USA, perhaps his family were influential enough to keep pulling his chips out the fire or perhaps he was exceptional at his job but a very very poor soldier. I don’t know if there is any information regarding the acquisition of the firearms they had on that day or if anyone was held accountable for it, it would be interesting to know. Thanks for an excellent episode very interesting and informative in a macabre way. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴
Lots of research went into this story. Well done Sir 👍🏼☮️🇨🇦
One considers oneself lucky when finding a new channel. Yours sir, is excellent. I am subscribed and will be notified for new stories. Thank you.
First class historical information, well presented and very much appreciated 🌹 Excellent !
Great video, totally unaware that this had happened. Thanks for giving it an airing
I'm glad you enjoyed.
Excellent video with a huge amount of information. I really wish you get to a couple of ten thousands of subscribers pretty fast because you really deserve it.
Thank you and greetings from Belgium 🇧🇪
Thank you once again for yet another excellent production. Andy
I'm glad you enjoyed it
Well done! Little known histories, a good production, thanks.
(Regarding hangings being more numerous than firing squad, because the firing squad was)... "a soldier's death that they no longer deserved." The mercy of a bullet was a final expression of gratitude for their service to their country and fellow man, such as it was. To be unworthy of even that was the final insult your victims could give you, and the literal last word about you and your character., taken to a grave that refuses to acknowledge your identity in any manner except your inhumanity. Ouch.
I agree, although id argue that in these cases the final insult is the rules of their Grave in France making in very clear they don't get treated like those killed in combat.
@@alittlebitofhistory fully agreed.
First time viewer and I've subscribed, after watching Honingham Hall. Very well done, ALBoH! Looking forward to catching up on your previous uploads. Greetings from Ontario, Canada.
Absolutely brilliant, thank you! I’d never heard of this bit of history. I studied WWII, but I focused on military strategy and the likes. How tragic. Yes, he most definitely was a degenerate to shoot an unarmed man for no other reason than to just do so. Not a nice retirement. I’m sorry to hear the Hall was torn down. It’s gorgeous.
Unfornyately we did a lot of that in the 60 and 70s its difficult to know why it was taken down. Some people just like breaking things.
How on earth does a 350 year old house like that end up being demolished?
The economy changed. The Labour government increased inheritance and land taxes making it difficult for the smaller estates to keep money in the family, it became more difficult to find staff to work on the estates with rising wages and easy transportation allowed village kids to move to the city.
Basically it became too expensive to staff and maintain houses, the smarter people either sold them to the government/national trust or turned them into hotels and moved to the cities, other houses just got scrapped for the lead roofs, plumbing and bricks that were needed for the postwar rebuilding of bomb damaged cities.
@@voiceofraisin3778 thank you for such a considered response.
@@jpc443 additionally - in the old world, 350 isn’t that old.
More reason to never vote for the Labour Party again.
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As an American, I am not sorry that the perpetrator was executed. He deserved it. The victim was man of distinction and honor.
What an interesting and sad tale.
Absolutely wonderful presentation! Thank u. I have only just found your channel and have, of course, subscribed. Hope to see a lot more of your excellent work.
This is very well done. I learned something I hadn't heard of before. Thank you!
Very well researched and narrated. I live in Norwich so I shall visit all the sites mentioned. Thank you and I’ve subscribed. I look forward to more quality videos like this. 👍😃
Excellent story. I used to live on Berry's Lane in Merrywood House.
Im not certain about the UK but here in the US most hunting seasons are in the winter months up to early spring. Deer, turkey, quail, dove, etc.
I'm no expert on when it is over here and of course we have animal to hunt than you do over there but I think it is generally about the same time of year, although I think it was outlawed during the war.
I presume it’s the same here, hunting in winter in winter, not in the breeding season.
This is fast becoming my favorite channel to watch. Great work!
Thank you so much
Nicely researched and delivered. Interesting case.
Love the channel. It was a great recommendation!
So sad. He traveled across the world to get home and an idiot that should have never been allowed near a gun killed him.
Nice bite sized nugget of history. Thanks, man
I had never heard of this before. Excellent coverage...sad story. Thank you 👍👍👍
How do you only have 11,300 subscribers? I mean that is 11,300 more than me, but for the amazing quality of your videos you deserve to be far more widely known.
Thank you very much.
I used to live in one of the gatehouses to the hall played in the woods where this happened as my father was a game keeper on the estate
Very, very sad story, the fact this dear man had worked all his life in foreign lands and possibly at some risk to himself and then comes home to a wonderful house and is shot dead by a member of his countries ally. Does anyone know what is in the place of the Hall now, what sacrilege to destroy such a beautiful building with so much history, but as we know, it has happened to so very many historic houses possibly to pay death duties. Sad but very good tale of a bad incident.
The area the house stood is now an open green area called Honingham Park.
@@alittlebitofhistory Thanks so much for that, beautiful house, but at least more Folks can enjoy the lovely space it was in.
Absolutely brilliant video. I drive down Berrys Lane just near Honingham a lot. Ill have to go to Sir Erics grave to pay my respects.
I have never heard of this before. It’s a shame the hall was destroyed, it looked like a beautiful building. Thank you for this video. From Florida.
It is a real shame it was demolished I guess the reasoning was that it would be to expensive to keep and even with its history there was nothing special about it that the national trust wanted to preserve.
Anywhere humans gather is a potential place for violence. For Jealousy, Ambition, Sadism, Greed (just one needed to spark malevolent activity) and all other evils do not recognize addresses as idyllic, innocent or sacred. What favors some locations is simply fewer people, but even that cannot contain the vagaries of the human heart.
So true😔
Very interesting indeed, I had heard of Eric Teichman but not of his end
So sad on so many levels. Thank you for this informative video
Thank you for the informative video on this tragic and little know event.
Another fascinating story. You put so much work into your presentations, thank you!
Very well put together video and everything explained clearly. I do have one criticism, not with the video itself but with your closing remarks. You stated that Smith was executed by Thomas Pierrepoint, the uncle of Alert Pierrepoint, the last uk hangman.
Albert Pierrepoint was not the last British hangman, He resigned from the list of executioners in 1956 in a dispute over fees.The last executions were carried out on the 13th August 1964.
Another fantastic presentation. Amazing to have the photos to go with the piece.
I am loving your channel. More, more, more.
Excellent piece of history! I just came across your channel by accident and I dig it! Hello from middle America, subbed!
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Thank you! I liked that.
Fascinating, and superbly told. Thank you.
Intriguing to learn about all the Americans that were executed. I remember being surprised about Eddie Leonski's execution for murder here in Australia (he was a serial killer who preyed upon women) and the massive international incident it caused. Given that there was obviously more than a few of those servicemen that were guilty of such crimes it raises a few questions about the sort of men that were serving - or more likely the way that their training broke them. Definitely an area I'll have to look into for more information now.
I am kind of aware of him ( I have seen that terrible film they made) I think it came from how the more men you have the more sickos you are going to get.
Never heard of this..so interesting thank you
Over paid, over sexed and over here was the saying in uk and Australia, my wee Gran told me.
omg how tragic how very sad it's heartbreaking...the poor man,,,I hope he didn't suffer long..this story hurt my heart....the evil demons that shot him..i am an American and this was tragic for sir Eric..
Shocking that I had no idea of these crimes, or that there is a plot of ground for these dishonourable men. Thanks for the researching and the share.
I'll make this comment in spite of the fact that I expect many to say I'm the nut case, nevertheless, it's possible to learn a lot by sheer experience, observation, and hindsight. I grew up in the rural country side virtually all men, and an occasionally women owned, and safely practiced hunting, and marksmanship. Those who grow up accustomed to firearms in the rural countryside have a much different understanding, practice, and tradition of firearms handling than those who group up in large cities without any association with firearms. An adult who has grown up in large cities without any experience with firearms is dangerous with firearms, add to that someone who is a homicidal maniac its easy to see how this tragedy happened. I wish so much that when capital punishment is warranted it would be carried out, now as it was then..
It is an interesting point, I also grew up in the country side and although never had and real experience with gun was defiantly told they are not something to play around it. When I went to uni I was on a course to do with working back stage in theatre and part of that was handling, loading, storing weapons. of course we were not dealing with real guns but they were blank firing but get something wrong you can still hurt someone with them, the amount of sear stupidity being out by members of the course who grew up in cities was crazy broke every safely rule in about 15 seconds, so you might be on to something there, I don't think it fully explains everything but I like it.
Excellent narration and a fascinating story!
Tragic, but fascinating all the same and very well presented. Great stuff 👍🏻
Never heard of this story before, really interesting! The wife was more forgiving than I, asking for clemency. Good riddance to bad rubbish I say, he sounded dangerous.
I guess with her husband work taking him off to less and safe parts of the world she expected to hear he had died pretty much everyday but yes his killer cross a line that he could never come back from, its not like her shot him by accident.
Nicely presented...thank you...
So interesting but what a sad little story!
It seems clear that the American military should have taken a great deal more responsibility for this known dangerous and uncontrollable personality in their employ.
Thank you very much for all your research.
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New sub here and a fan of history . Thank You for the video 👍
I live near Brookwood and I can confirm they do have a section there away from the rest of the graves there. The plot without stones, there is one of them behind a gated area, I don't think people are allowed in even (a lot is said to happen there!)
I live in an area with a "witches cave", several ruins and miniature doors claiming to be built in a time people were 3ft tall.
I love how you actually speak about the cases and do the research, find the pictures and related articles.
I am here for the spiritual spin I can put on things so was a bit funny to actually randomly come across one with a place mentioned, literally 10 minutes away 😂
If only people knew the back story of a place like Brookwood and why now it looks affluent 😁😳
I don't say RIP and things of that nature because bringing them up over and over is hardly a way to let them rest but I can say that I feel empathy for all involved 💕
Presumably the section 'houses' people who were from the 'other' Brookwood, the insane asylum? I know of the larger cemetery from the 'Necropolis Express' of the LSWR, and someone once told me of the other establishment.
That beautiful house was demolished. Wow.
Really detailed yet really interesting.
You do a really great job of these, I'm now subscriber 967👍
Thank you
History always interesting, sad story but justice was served in the end which we need more of today.
These are the gems I like to find
Wijpacha looks an interesting name. I would say that the 'ij' and its placement in the word looks like it might be a name of Dutch origin.
Interesting you are the 2nd Person to point towards Dutch. might be on to something.
Or Polish? Was he the one from Detroit? Huge Polish community.
Excellent video. Well researched; no sensationalism; just the best facts that could be found. What a sad, sad story. I guess most murders are. If Smith really was that challenged - mental age of 9 - one would have hoped that the US authorities would have acted sooner to send him somewhere safe for him amd others.
I suppose when you think about it even if we are just talking about his direct command they probably had far bigger things on their plate than the actions of 1 man until it was to late.
Eight court Marshall’s and he’s not in prison?
*Courts Martial
Very interesting. Thank you!
Very interesting and frustrating to hear of such a pointless end for a good man. just a tiny correction- Shepton Mallet is and always was in Somerset not Dorset
The source had it wrong but I should have doubled checked and looked myself .
A couple of details. The second man's surname was Wojtacha, not Wijpacha. The latter has been cited in various accounts but they are all repeating an original mistake - there is no such Polish surname. Teichman was severely hunchbacked by the time of his death and barely topped 5'0", the two men may have not even seen him. I am also not sure that Wojtacha was even tried, let alone jailed, as there are no records of it. He lived to the age of 68 and left a lot of descendants.
Thank you very much this is all great information, the name being wrong makes a lot of sense as to why I could not find anything on the name Wijpacha. I also saw nothing about Teichman being hunchbacked either, It is always great to get things like this filled in.
358 is quite a large village. 58 would be small.
Too bad the army hadn’t given the soldiers enough to do! Seems like they could have had them do public works projects to help out the town or something! Might not have deterred Smith, who was a bad lot, but might have helped the local wildlife!
True and I believe they largely did do things like that when GIs first came over but my 1944 pretty much all work had done what was left was pretty menial jobs that tended to be done by POWs.
Sad story, I find it incredible that US Servicemen had access to guns and ammunition on such a casual basis. Its also amazing a serviceman could be Court Martialed 9 times and still be in the ranks.
I can't remember if I said in this this video as I made it a while a go now but my Grandfather often told I story of walking up on 2 G.Is who been out bird shooting with Thompson submachine guns.
Albert Pierrepoint was not the last executioner in the UK. The last executioners, who preformed simultaneous hangings on the 13th of August 1964 were Robert Stewart and Harry Allen. These were the last executions in Britain.
It has since been pointed out to my totally my mistake, It was something I had in my head for years but should of fact checked, Will be more careful in future.
Have you looked into the German soldiers buried along the North Norfolk coast?
I am planning something around it
One thing l’d like to know more about is why was the Hall destroyed?
My guess would be cost of keeping the place running and not finding a buyer who was willing to pay.
Had not heard of this story. Love it!
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Quite interesting, but sad. Talking of wartime crimes by serving men, this one wasn't in Norfolk, but down in Kent. I'm talking from memory, of an account in the biography of Sir Bernard Spilsbury, who was involved in the case, so please bear with any mistakes! An English soldier who had what sounded now like PTSD, or some other kind of serious mental disorder, simply took off one day with his own rifle, and went on a killing spree that claimed around six victims. I think he was finally shot by either a police marksman or a fellow soldier. It's the earliest British case of this kind that I know of. From memory this was in either 1944 or 45. Does anyone else recognise the case?
I was told that during WWII a person had to pass a basic intelligence test before being put in the Army Air Forces. I find it hard to believe that this US airman had the mind of a 9 year old. I suspect it was just an attempt by a misguided Doctor to keep the murder from being hanged. The guy deserved what he got.
True I found that strange was well, although I have not found anything to say exactly what they did in UAAF but I highly doubt they were anything like bomber crews or mechanics its possible they were destined to spend their war standing at the gate as a guard so maybe my 44 the requirements for that had slipped a little but on the whole 9 sounds just wrong, Might be something I look into a bit more.
@@alittlebitofhistory I think it ie entirely possible. Apparently they sent us the dregs. My mother, who lived through it said there was a US General who said, referring to the men sent over, said 'God help the UK. If this is how we treat our allies, shame on us' Or something similar. You also have to remember airman does not mean flyer. My Father was an Airman in the RAF, but in actual fact he was in the cookhouse.! A Sargeant, but in the cookhouse all the same. He had a fall out with my future mother and volunteered for Rear Gunner in a Lancaster. A bit like committing suicide. The Big bloke said 'We can train a rear gunner in 6 weeks, and they last about as long. It takes years to make a good cook. Get back to the cookhouse Sargeant'
Wow! Whoa! I've never heard of this incident ever -- mind-blown! - Now this is more than a little bit of history.🤯 I've gotta watch this episode again.🤔
Subbed!👈👍 This is very interesting history.👍
@@Zeldarw104 Thank you and welcome hope you enjoy what you find.
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Excellent. Nicely narrated. Subscribed.🙂
An excellent video. Just a point, Albert Pierrepoint, although the most famous, wasn't the last British hangman, Robert Stewart and Harry Allen were.
That was me going on script and not double checking.
Could you do a story about William Dadley, from Aylsham. He moved to Alford (lincolnshire) in 1829 to take position of main game keeper at Well estate; soon to be married....and murdered only six days later, on 19th January 1830.
Sounds interesting it has been added to my list
This should never have happened. What a murderous, contemptable scumbag that US soldier was. Disgraceful.
Brilliant video it’s funny the older I get the more I enjoy history. The only thing is Shepton Mallet is in Somerset not Dorset. ❤
I apologise for that the source I used had it wrong I should have looked myself.
Very interesting story, thankyou.
What kind of recruits were signed up.He showed clearly to be very bad soldier charged over 8 times.I suppose they took any idiot at the time,and a innocent man payed the price.
Desperate for men in many ways. Plus you can't put to much on discipline records, there was soldier in the Suffolk Regiment in the 2nd world war who was a terrible trouble maker, he was even kicked out of his original regiment The Royal Norfolk's for going AWOL so often, On D-Day he near single handed charged a machine gun knocked it out, turned the tide of the battle and won the Military Medal (some say he should of got the VC.) So in that case a bad soldier in the right conditions became a good solider while at Honingham a bad soldier in the wrong conditions became a murder.
@@alittlebitofhistory No, the USAAF guy in this story apparently was a psycho, whereas the one you mention likely was the usual brawler, etc. I would be interested to know what the American's courts-martials were for; probably they are revealing. As an aside I just now noticed that the last name of his accomplice is Wojtacha, according to some sources online.
John Roddy, "I suppose they took any idiot at the time" -- OUCH. As the daughter of an American merchant marine, and the niece of a GI killed at Normandy, please don't characterize us in that way. This guy was a bad apple; the whole bushel wasn't bad. Thank you.
@@LKaufman9050 I did worry that this was the message it seemed like I was trying to put across, I can assure you it is not, my video this week is also covering a member of the US Army in the area that shows the vast majority of them were here to do an incredibly dangerous job and did so without incident.
@@LKaufman9050 As a Ex Military man myself I know what fills the ranks.Good and bad like society itself. Did you ever hear of McNamara Moran's,government policy to recruit guys of low intelligence.You can Google it or read up on it.I have personal experience like you .No one only you is claiming I am branding every one with same brush.Your words not mine.He had a charge sheet as long as his arm,should have long be booted out of the military.
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Many rural and farm American boys had to hunt for food to supplement their diet. All were children of young adults of the great depression . Footnote, my neighbor owns that very rifle. It is used to cull predatory coyotes. The jails were being emptied to fill the Selective Service rolls, just like in Vietnam
True, although I doubt they were needing to hunt for extra food while serving in the UK.
Update, January, 2023. It has been a matter of days since the decision to proceed with a court martial was taken away from unit commanders. The old proceedure was akin to a civilian suspect's boss telling police and DA whether to go to trial or take a flying leap. They had way more than a thumb on the scales of justice.
The change was made in recognition of the appalling number of Military Sexual Assault cases that have never been prosecuted. The point here is that Smith may simply have been targeted by a spiteful cdr.
Damn , a man comes home to retire and be with his family and friends after many years of faithful service to his country , just looking for some peace and quiet , only to be slaughtered by a misanthrope that never should have been allowed in the military in the first place 😠
I think the name Wijpacha must be of Scandinavian origin, maybe Finland? Wij means we in Dutch, but the other half, Pacha is elusive.
Interesting I had no idea on the origin of the name, there was a bit of me that wondered if there might of been some Native American there. but now you have said it there could be Scandinavian.
This is really good. Unfortunately you’re chopping up the sentences. You need to slow down and try to keep the sentences flowing. Anyone else upset that the house was torn down? I don’t understand why a house so full of history was demolished
Thank you for the feed back, I am doing my best to slow my speaking down and reduce the editing but I make constant mistakes in recording so forced to have to record in parts .
@@alittlebitofhistory Practice makes perfect, you are doing fine.👏
Another superb, highly detailed video. Thank you.
How very sad, so soon after retirement, having done his duty in the war effort, - given over most of his estate to Barnardo children, is shot, in cold blood by a trespassing American soldier. Clearly, this soldier was extremely mentally ill, but with 8 court marshal's behind him, he should have been discharged. Horrible that he was hanged, especially as the victim's wife asked for clemency. I has no idea American military personnel, posted in Britain were hanged here and so many, it's shocking.
I'm glad you are enjoying my work, The number does seem pretty high but it must be remembered there was over million G.Is stationed in the country so trouble was pretty limited.
Thank you and very interesting
Why was the big house.demolished? What is in its place now?
Very expensive to keep them standing and I guess no one wanted it, I am kind of shocked the national trust didn't take it. Now just an open space mostly called Horningham Park.
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