The Great Yarmouth Shoelace Murder
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- September 1900 the discovery of dead body on South Beach Great Yarmouth open up a tale or marriage, crime, murder and possibly even treason.
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Brief case and They got away with Murder brought me here…love these type of history lessons❤
I have been wondering if you were alright. Every time I've watched a video about the history of your part of England I've thought about you. So young man I want you to know that you've been missed! I hope you and yours are well and I hope we get to see more of you and your wonderful history videos this year.
Great to have you back with another episode of Norfolk history.
So glad to know that nothing untoward happened to you. Your research is so well done. Interesting you mentioned Marshall Hall. I’m sure he got more guilty clients off than any other barrister. But in this case, the jury wasn’t fooled. I look forward to your next post 😊
''the jury wasn't fooled'' ... mmm ... or were they?
The most famous case he had was Dr Harvey Crippen for the murder of his wife, Dr Crippin was hanged in 1910 by John Ellis, the evidence that convicted him was DNA tested in 2015 the tissue was not female it was male and would not be convicted today Marshall Hall pointing this out in 1910.. Proof of sex was not proved different days
Sad story well told and presented as usual.
And a pleasure to find your back producing such. Hope you’re well and await the next production eagerly.
Interesting story. Thank you for presenting this one. I had heard of it, but not with details. There is a moral in there: lies will always bite one on the rear end. His wife might well have been more supportive had her entire entwinement with him not been a pack of lies.
Great to see you back again. Your videos must be a labour of love, they’re easily as good as many things seen on tv - if not far better!
That is high praise indeed, thank you
I understand that people can get creative, in a pinch, but who decides that the shoelace on the victims foot is the perfect murder weapon? "Pardon me, but could you pop off your shoe? I can show you how I can turn a dull shoelace into a fetching choker!"
I live in Bloxwich Walsall in the West Midlands, and my late mother came from Great Yourmouth, and she never told me about this Murder and I hope that Herbert will get some sort of justice like a full life Sentence
Glad to see you back. Good story, thank you. Poor little girl. I may be premature here but do we know what happened to the child? 🙏🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
I did try to look into it but sadly as was often the case around at the time the children just seem to vanish, I hope she ended up with a member of Mary's family.
Thank you for trying though 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
Oddly enough, this story has just been covered by a series on the BBC called ( l think) Murder Mystery in the family. Ruby ' s son and grandson trying to prove that Herbert was innocent of Mary 's murder. A very interesting tale
I was wondering the same. What happened to poor little Ruby?
Great story. Even better to have you back. Missed your videos.
Thank you. Nice to see you back.
Delighted to see you again! 🙃
Great to have you back... 🙂
Soooo pleased to have you back again.
Good to have you back. Very interesting historical murder.
It is good to have you back. Excellent presentation, as always.
Thank-you for another intriguing story. Please keep them coming.
So glad you’re back!
Excellent narrative and real facts, thanks for giving the details and the video it was very well presented too.
Thanks very much for a fantastic episode.
Well you've got me hooked. These are the exact channels I like to watch. Thank you for expanding my experience.
I have heard of this one before but another re- telling is very welcome 🙏
Hurrah... Your back! Cally Calla... (probably spelt that wrong...! Ref... JABBERWOCKY) anyway.. Glade your back mate..! 👍
Nice to see you back.
Just found your channel. It came up on recommended videos. I enjoyed this video.
My first visit to your channel. A fascinating piece of research and an untapped source of interest as what you are discovering in Norfolk must be happening everywhere. I shall visit again and subscribe.
the South beach at Yarmouth has a strange vibe to it,you can sense folk who have been there.I once found an aged tent pole end from the 1940s deep in the sand ,a caravan door latch and a childs toy tractor from the 50s.Theres a man whose been living in a tent on the beach there many yrs too
I'm an American and against the death penalty; this is one reason why. Nobody can be 100% sure they've got the right person.
It is mind-boggling how crude, coarse, brutal and devious people can be. When will they ever learn, as the song goes.
What a comeback. Thank you....hope all is well💫
Just discovered your wonderful work. Just my cup of tea! Thank you. 👍☺️
What happened to her child, it seemed after her death the child just disappeared.
Sadly I was unable to find information, often seems to happen. I hope she ended up with her mothers family.
Welcome back.interestig case. Thank you.
A newbie. Sounds great. Thank you.
Surprised they did make more of him going to her lodgings with the story of her going to America and removing all her belongings. Two false alibis, one he was in Gravesend because his Grand Father died and two he was at work, with two! unsubstantiated witnesses. A witness with previous knowledge of his identity, the hotel porter, placing him in Yarmouth at the time of the murder. The man was guilty, no doubt of it.
They very well may have made a lot out ofthose points, it was just not metioned in any of the sourses I was using, I think he was guilty.
@@alittlebitofhistory The second victim years later, the use of the stocking to cover the shoe lace ligature suggest a sexual motive. Have you produced a video on that. Just found your site, well researched and very well presented. I live in Norfolk, served as a police officer there for 35 years. These are fascinating, knew the history of some of your presentations but not all. Enjoy watching your work. Thank you.
Great, you're back from an old norfolk boy
I just discovered your channel and am really(!) enjoying it!!
The landlady noted "she wore a long silver chain around her neck and an old fashioned watch".
Then when Mary heads out for a drink you refer to her "leaving the property dressed well, in her jewellery and long GOLD chain..."
Woops that would be my mistake then.
@@alittlebitofhistory Sorry, I am mildly on the autistic spectrum so I notice detail that others might not.
Fascinating story, especially as it seems her executed husband was very likely a serious miscarriage of justice.
Aren’t we all😂😂😂
Well done on this sad case, what could have been going on with these two murders, was it Herbert who killed Mary or was it another, we shall probably never know.
Very well researched and narrated, thanks for this
Exceptionally or exponentially, which is it to be?
Fascinating stuff! Great job 👍🏻
Thanks for another cracking vlog very interesting story and well put with feeling not ghoul factor 😊
How could she have believed that he owned his own house at seventeen? Unfortunately, most women were still subservient to men at that time and were less likely to leave them. Many seaside towns were a haven of crime because they drew so many visitors.
He probably told her it was left to him by a relative, or his grandmother had put it in his name.
Thank you.
In British courts witnesses don't"take the stand",they go into the witness box. This is a good story spoiled by the insistence of the use of awful American talk.
Try to overcome your horror and bre grateful for the research and other efforts this young and dedicated historian puts into his work. Remember, you are not paying one penny.
I'm extremely grateful to the presenters,I enjoy the programmes very much. I was directly involved in magistrates courts and Crown Court for over 25 years,I raised this point because the programmes are factual and I detest American terminology used on British things.I respectfully pointed this out. Thanks.
I'm not worried about the programmes being free but I am bothered about our language being Americanised,I'm also bothered about a myriad of other awful expressions creeping in to our brogue. I will add that I have several American friends and try to do right to all manner of people without fear or favour,affection or ill will.
P.S. Where do I mention the word HORROR?
My apologies I did not know that.
The Boer War never started in the Cape but on the Natal Transval border.
It's something I only know the basics of at the moment I do a apologise .
Excellent! One thing, though. How could it be that "by this time, World War II had erupted in the Cape" when it was 1900?
You are not the 1st to bring this to my attention, even I had to go back and double check I didn't make a mistake, I say 2nd Boer War I can't hear anything other than that but I will be more careful in future to make sure it what everyone hears.
Welcome back! And thanks for a well narrated, if sad, little bit of history.
Good one!
The good old old days of murders and tunnel vision cops
Did I miss what happened to daughter Ruby?
I was unable to find anything about Ruby sadly.
Great video, thank you! New subscriber from Texas. 👍🏻😀
Thank you very much, I am not much of a world traveller but if I ever went to the US, Texas is somewhere I would love to visit, not sure why just always wanted to.
In English, we discriminate between lie and lay. The former is intransitive. The latter is transitive. If this tragic victim was already dead, how could she be laying something on the beach. She was, very sadly, lying on the beach. We lay something…a table, a book on the table, a partner, a bet, a blanket on a bed, etc. If someone is not laying something, the person is lying. Please? It’s quite straightforward. No wonder our less educated brethren across the ocean misuse the verb in similar ways. Let’s set the standard to be emulated by using English with a degree of grammatical consistency…
I apologise for any mistakes I make when it comes to English or I say the wrong thing while recording, English has never been my strongest subject.
@@alittlebitofhistoryWhat a nice, polite, informative response you gave, which also explains your pronunciation of 'exceptionally'. ;) Thank you for your documentary. Lol
Today the algorithm brought me here. Thank you, algorithm. I think I may stay.
Me too. I found the video fascinating and respect the work that must have gone into it.
I think that this is a very good window into Victorian society and how it worked, working class people had a very high bar set and if you were a Jack the lad then you had to be Jack the ripper.A good Christian, chasing women was left to Royals and those on a higher station, up to the 1950s this prevailed ,Ruth Ellis a perfect example. It's very possible he was not guilty of murder but was not innocent of other crimes,and the press has not changed either can't let truth get in the way of a financial coup for a paper. I do think perhaps Edward Marshall Hall probably was helpful, he was a celebrity by 1900 although would become more famous the public had a mixed view on his courtroom antics .It also sounds like the execution was botched, height, weight and drop not correct or perhaps the rope was new...
The cemetery lies between Kitchener road and Estcourt Road.
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I wonder what happened to poor little Ruby?
I went to school in a town called Yarmouth in USA
Just on a point of fact, Bennett was hanged at Norwich Prison at Knox Road rather than the old city gaol on Earlham Road which had been demoloished some twenty years earlier to make way for the construction of the cathedral that now occupies its site. in addition, I very much doubt that Marshall Hall had a sideline in beach photography in addition to his career at the bar, it is a amusing idea..
Oh interesting that you for letting me know, all sources I found suggested it was Eltham Road thank you for clarifying that.
I wonder how her poor little girl, Ruby, fared . . . 😢
I tried to find Mary’s grave today in GY New Cemetery but could not find it for love nor money. Would love to see it - does anyone know how to find it?
Well Done! Thank you!
very interesting and well described vocally
Great videos! If you want to take the next step, you should improve your sound quality. There's a bit of an echo... It will make the viewers' experience a bit better.
Thank you for the feedback, I will be honest my current laptop is very much on its last legs, when I get a new one I am going to look into getting better sound equipment.
Very interestingly tans thoughtful presentation. I think Herbert was innocent.
She must have had the smallest neck in victorian Britain. It being strangled by a nine inch shoe lace. And being tied at that. A neck so small it would have been easily snapped by a firm determined grip
So sad. I wonder what became of Mary’s daughter Ruby x
Sadly I was unbale to information about what happened to her after the murder.
That photo of him is really creepy he looks like other worldly or like a mannequin.
I think it might be, I couldn't find anything to say if it was or not but it looked like a wax work to me too, Great Yarmouth did have its own wax museum possible it was an exhibit in there.
Lies matter and have consequences 😮
Yes, but not once mentions Simon DhuBlancmange booking passage for the northern Argentine soon later after.
Between gentlemen, I fear he was a knave at heart. Or not.
this murder was featured on In Suspicious Circumstances
What happened to Ruby, their young daughter?
Sadly I was unable to find any information on that.
@@alittlebitofhistory Poor kid. Probably into an orphanage, living the rest of her life as the child of a hanged murderer.
really interesting
i sincerely doubt either woman were simply strangled to death with their own shoelace, how would the killer get the lace without knocking the woman out cold first? Only then could he have time to un-thread the lace from their boot and finish them off. Most likely strangled them manually with his hands first then tied the lace around tight just to make sure they hadn't only fainted, women only wore ankle boots with laces in that period, women's shoes didn't have laces, so he'd need plenty of time to un-thread them.
I might have missed it, but what happend to Ruby ?
I was unable to find any information sadly, hopefully she ended up with her mothers family.
Very interesting.
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If both went there and left their newborn, it must have been something they thought they could resell to make money.
good video/thankyou.
I Wonder what happened to daughter Ruby !
What happened to the daughter? Did they ever say?
I was unable to find anything about that sadly.
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What happened to Ruby?
Sadly I was unable to find out about Ruby.
Why do they always say "fallen pregnant"? Do the women trip, the man catches her, and voila she is pregnant? No disrespect intended, I've just never understood it. 🤔 4:09
What happened to the little girl Ruby?
I was unable to find any information on that
So long ago these unfortunate people were killed. Today copycat, serial killers are modern terms !. The man seemed to have been hanged for no reason ?. And so it goes !. Thanks. Dave
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What happened to Little Ruby, their Daughter?
I was unable to find any information on her, I hope she ended up with Mary's family.
So he was buried in the prison yet ended up in consecrated ground after all.
I thought that ironic too.
Yep its the case of several of those put to death on that old prison site.
What happened to her daughter who lost both parents ?
I wasn't able to find out.
did you say 2nd world war?
I said Boer war, I am never sure how you are meant to pronounce it as I have heard so many different ways, I never realised how I say it does sound close to World, I will be more careful in future.
@@alittlebitofhistory it's ok hun you have a nice accent :) ty for clarifying
I once briefly dated a psychopath like this guy. Some people have the ability to make you believe anything. Very dangerous.
'The Second World War was raging'!!!! In 1900?? It started in 1939. He was 22 years old when hung, the picture seems to be of a man in his late thirties/early forties. The drawing of him at his trial seems to be of a much younger man.
2nd Boer War, you are not the 1st to point this out I will be careful to speak more clearly in future.
He did say second Boer War. I understood that on first listening.
Most people looked older than they really were in that era, especially the working class, who's lives were hard.
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Yarmouth is in Suffolk not Norfolk.
Its near the border but its very much in Norfolk
According to Wikipedia and my experience of living in the area
@@neilpiper9889 I know Gorleston was until the 1830s when they re drew the county lines but given that was good 70 years before the events of this video it would be in Norfolk.
I actually lived on Kitchener Road which incidentally was originally called Cemetery road and I can assure you that it is in Norfolk.
Who cares anyway Norfolk and Suffolk are my favourite counties.
Apart from Gloucestershire where I have lived since 1973 !
Typical man. Always trying to run a game on everyone
I presume you also castigate the many, many female murderers who usually kill for money?
@@rivermoon6190 most male victims get murdered by men and most woman and child victims too. By a rate of 99 to 1. Hope I eased your fear of women a bit.
wow you got issues. You should seek counselling.
This kind of broad discriminatory statement is what continues to feed and fuel the isms. Check your bigotry.
@@wendyharris8026 no you check yours
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