When the Fix is worse than the Problem
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2023
- Pornhub accuses Lousiana’s age verification law of making the internet more unsafe after it loses 80% of its traffic in the state.
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I'm glad Louisiana is taking big measures to protect children like this. The current generation are going to learn how to browse the web privately with a VPN, and I think that's a great lesson to learn.
"privately"
@@darkandblue4118at least that’ll get them into learning about internet privacy, even if they start off with the “free” stuff first.
Hell, maybe they’ll stumble upon this channel for tips on how to make their own vpn.
Except they won't be using any ""privacy-focused"" VPNs, they'll just use the free ones from the top search results, which will end up harvesting and selling their users' browsing data. So really, a net loss in terms of privacy for LA residents.
lmao
Well, other country already did decade ago 🤣
Wait until they know how to use tor.
If they can't keep tobacco, alcohol, and drugs away from minors they certainly aren't going to keep digital content hidden away either
Without a doubt but it does make it harder to access.
@@macattack5863 not by a whole lot. Not every site's gonna play ball for one and for another, VPNs will just get used more on the ones that do.
That doesn't even get into torrenting/file sharing...
@@macattack5863 not at all actually.
the apocalyptic future will be ruled by pirated pornography
@@macattack5863 not really though it will just send them to other sites which are more dangerous
It’s all fun and games until one of these adult sites gets hacked and your full name is on a public list somewhere. Right after someone makes a search engine to find names in said list.
Ashley Madison 2
Even more funny if the sites save user preferences along with the ID. Any leaks will show elected officials and other people in leadership positions browsing tags that they preach against.
@@voidmayonnaise you clearly missed the part about government IDs being sent to a third party system. Encrypted or not, you shouldn't be sending your govt ID to anyone.
@@voidmayonnaise not all adult sites, maybe the hub and bigger adult sites...
But a lot of mid sized adult sites are already compromised by adware and malicious links.
So if you use those sites... Then it's safe to say those are much more easily compromised.
@voidmayonnaise this is not the case. Yes some sites implementations may be this way, but the law has no specific implementation. Many sites I'm sure will literally just have you upload a photo of your ID with a selfie.
Being that I'm a US citizen and follow US politics: The most frightening part of all this (to me) is the notion that *the legislators from these states will have compromising data on their citizens.* I'm sad to say that there are *absolutely* politicians in the United States who would happily blackmail their electorate if it meant winning reelection.
The first thing I thought of was incumbent elected officials leaking the access log of anyone connected to their political rivals or challengers in elections.
Smearing say a candidate’s wife or husband as a deviant, and conflating the logs to mean consumption of whatever content looks most scandalous.
However, considering how smooth brained we’ve seen elected officials interact with technology, it’s most likely that the firewall system simply fails to begin with. But just because it probably won’t materialize doesn’t mean it should be readily available to be exploited by any enterprising dickhead.
Just like how Texas now is subpoenaing data from the period tracking apps as a method of going after women who may have gotten an abortion.
I was thinking it's frightening how a few are using law to force their religious beliefs on others.
Because that's what this is really about.
The cry of "won't you think of the children" is repeatedly used by both sides to force their personal religious beliefs on others.
In this case, the religious ultra right wants to get rid of adult content in general.
If they do this "to protect the children" they can drive adult content out of businesa.
Keep in mind that the less you conform to their morals, the less they even consider you to be a person. It's game over if they start to think they can get away with fully implementing their beliefs since if they consider you "degenerate" then they don't think you have any right to happiness (or even life in the more extreme ones).
I mean they already don’t need a search warrant to access your internet traffic in the USA
3:15, it was the state of Missouri's department of education. They listed their teachers' social security numbers on the page in plain text in the HTML of the webpage. Governor Mike Parsons called anyone who did this a "hacker" and promised they'd be tried in court for leaking sensitive information.
Remind me back in the days when cell service was new and people pointed out that you could just hear this stuff over airwaves and instead of, ya know, encrypting anything, the cell industry just lobbied congress to that they just made it illegal to listen to those airwaves and basically hamstrung any company manufacturing radios in the US. People never change.
Louisianan here. Literally the day that the age verification system rolled out, half of everyone I knew already started using a VPN or had some alternative. I’m not sure what our government exactly hopes to achieve by having this system, but whatever it is, it doesn’t work and is quite unpopular. You can have every country, region, state, etc on board with these laws but if even one doesn’t have them, this system will always have a massive flaw.
Maybe the VPN lobby got to them. Lets face it, they are getting a lot of money out of this.
@@blandedgear9704 shouldn't be buying any U.S. based VPNs anyways, IMO.
They are sp ignorant of how technogy works they actually have no idea how vpns work
If your ISP gives you a static IP (or at least if your IP never seems to changes), look up online how to report an incorrect geolocation for your IP and submit that your IP is located in a different state.
IMO it’s food for the voting base
Government systems are probably among the least secure systems ever. I still remember when they tried to redact PDF files by adding a layer of black boxes that you could remove...
EDIT: They = governments in general. Not any one specifically.
Haha, I remember those redacted pdfs where you could just drag your cursor across the black box and it highlighted the text.
I've done that... Though I think I was able to delete the text or the text was... Unreadable or something. It prevents simple attempts to get that information... Which is "good enough" for like sending your bank statement to an employer.
Hell, they STILL do this. I found an excel doc once when I was in the military with every single member of the unit's social security number, but all they did was highlight the black textbox black. So you couldn't see it visually, but if you clicked the box it would show the text just fine up in the little context box at the top.
And then you could also copy-paste it elsewhere, and it was just in an unsecured folder that anyone in the unit could access. I ended up pushing the issue at the time and we got the document just deleted as there was no reason to even have a document like that in the first place, especially since that info, while slightly more painful to access, was maintain on an actually secure server that required login details by need-to-know people only. I guess someone just got lazy and decided to collect all of that in an unsecure excel doc instead.
Tbh it depends, but in most cases, in the US, the reason it's so bad is because they're purposefully underfunded si that they can then justify hiring their friends from the private sector.
The parts of government that are well funded have very secure systems.
@@IsaacBelll it has nothing to do with underfunding... it has everything to do with nepitism and governments doing government things. for every dollar a private company would spend on a problem, the government spends hundreds of thousands of dollars. so if you think that it's because they are underfunded... you should have all your money taken to fund this crap. the reality is that they take someone else's money they took by force to give to their buddies at exuberant unjustified costs.
remember government is the type of thing that will spend 1mill on a shed in a park... then let it deteriorate and be vandalized.
How much do you want to bet that the people writing and implementing these laws are the same type of people who think that if you delete something on the internet it's just gone forever.
pretty much all of them, most of them are the ones that never most likely grew up with computers but for maybe xp and later on
And then every private citizen in Louisana signed up for a VPN.
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Give it a few weeks until a lot of people's ID have been fished and then watch all the lawsuits that get filed. If the law didn't exist, users wouldn't have steered to more dangerous sites - that's a slam dunk. Sad thing is, it is the tax payers in those states that are going to pay, both going in and coming out of all this over-reach.
Weird my reply got removed lol, is it too much similar to the ad?
Or just used Tor Browser, which fakes their IP being in another location, or signed up for a 5G fixed internet service like T-Mobile that will often dump your IP address in another state and/or city, and I know as I have it, and it dumps my IP in Atlanta GA, but I'm almost 4 hours east in another state.
@@CommodoreFan64 Well the mistake being made is trying to legislate personal freedoms versus simply being better parents or guardians - problem being is that citizens of these states are going to be forced to PAY for all this bureaucratic overheard and lawsuit penalty litigation when it eventually gets top that point - removing personal freedoms is NEVER a good idea.
When I worked at Dollar Tree they made our employee number the first 5 digits of our SIN, and our password the last 4 digits, and they stored everyones employee number and password in plain text on the managers computer. Every employee HAD TO KNOW that it was a list of everyones SINs because it included theirs. No one complained but me and I took it all the way to regional managers. I also got fired shortly after for "sitting on the job" so I know where their priorities lie
The UK government tried to push through a similar law not that long ago. They eventually realised the only people they'd actually be restricting access to would be themselves, and would you believe the bill was quickly dropped 😂
It's almost like the UK government is a smidge more competent than the United States government. Just a smidge.
@@JaceSomersgood thing to remember that the us government is actually 51+ major governments (+ cuz I'm not sure how territories like guam and Puerto Rico and such are governed). We have the big one at top that is varying degrees of incompetent depending on who is in power, and then we have one for each state, each with their own level of competency.
@@MrFlarespeed good point
@@JaceSomers do you have a license for critizing a foreign government?
@@user-mn8lz7gf6d, the us is not foreign to me and I last i checked that's not something you need a licence for.
It's funny that the people defending these laws would be livid if they were required to give an ID to go to literally any other website.
That's because I'm fine with criminalizing pornography.
lol very true, and would be angry if their ID/personal data was archived on a public website with a password of "HackersGoAway", because theres NO WAY their IDs are safe online. doesnt matter who hosts the website and what kind of protection they have. it WILL get hacked if someone is inclined to and has the knowhow to do.
@@RealRatchet Is that a typo? If not, can you explain how it is your business what consenting adults do / look at?
@@obijan42 religious nutjobs don't do reasoning or thinking
@@RealRatchet Thanks for stating you're against peoples freedoms. Which rights shall we take away first? lmao
Imagine if those sites get data breached with ur government id on it sounds painful having ur SSN leaked
Next to your adult content likes.
I think they know this.
@cat If that's to me I mean in compound with what is above. It's a lot more information than just you go to a pornsite but also what you saw and liked or even shared.
That is hellish.
Can you imagine. The number of attacks on these sites will be extraordinary. Already, I don't trust the security on porn sites this just makes it worse.
The sites don't actually store your Govt ID.
VPN sales are going up lol.
But seriously it should be the parents job to monitor their kids. There's even software that allows them to do that! Don't punish the everyday user.
Yep this is a dumb decision, you don't even have to go to PH to see adult content, TikTok is full of it, and almost every kid aged 10 and above have tiktok, and since that adult content pops in the main screen, they don't even have to search
pretty much every (modern) router has the built in capabilities to block / warn of domain access on a by device basis
Monitor and educate. And if you kept your baby away from lead paint, at some point, your kid will outsmart you. And if its just playboy magazines in the woods.
Montana should start with banning those borderline pornographic/ scam Google ads.
They know they want everyone to stop watching prloen or make ir as inconvenient as possible. Religious boomers who will most likely get releected
@@MrNPC Yep
It’s always “let the parents decide” and let them control children’s phones until they want to pass something that they think is right
its let parents decide until we have the power to decide for them
WHO
IS
THEY
The people who are doing this are obviously not the same people who say that.
If you have such a strong position, why the fuck are you being so disengenuous?
@@donxx1206 your pfp is sonic stfu
Wait are you saying parents can decide to let their children watch pornographic material??? Can parents also decide to have sex with their children? It's against the law to allow minors to watch pornographic material
Parents deciding to expose their young children to hardcore pornography is child sexual abuse and those parents will face prison sentences.
"but is this a small government thing to do?"
Bro the opportunity for small government has been thrown out the window by the politicians that keep constantly expanding it practically nonstop. The small government argument is idealism like ending racism and world hunger.
Indeed, unfortunately it is not possible to shrink democratic government by democratic means.
Unlike a startling amount of people, Linus actually faces the fact that he's going to be a parent and have "the talk" with his kids some day.
And for those parents in denial, their caginess will only make their teens more curious abt it
I was in school when smartphones became a thing everybody has. The internet was already on a level of weirdness noone could explain to adults or children. Then the dark stuff with liveleak and other links started making circles in our school around when i was in 5th grade.
No teacher, no parent, noone was ready for... the internet. And lets be real, noone is.
When will these lawmakers learn that making laws to prevent someone from accessing something, whether it be drugs, abortions, NSFW content etc., doesn't stop them from accessing those things. It just makes it far more unsafe for the people who do access them.
Reminds me the ban of alcohol, where it didn’t lower the amount of alcohol consumed, just made it more dangerous as there is no regulations on where/how alcohol is stored
@@SforSamPlays And made Mafia flourish...
If there's one thing I've learned in my 18 years of life, its that horny teenage boys will always find a way.
I can confirm when I first started at age 12.
I was lucky to have access to the unrestricted internet as a child and the only thing that happened is that I knew more about sex than my peers.
We have fairly good (if overly clinical) sex-ed here and my knowledge was better than what was taught.
I can attest to this
This is the whole problem with politicians regulating anything they don't understand, which is nearly everything these days.
Man...
When I was growing up the common practice was to never share any personal information online....
When we were growing up, the rule of thumb was to keep internet and real life separated. At some point, we decided to merge them.
These are the consequences
still doing the same.
There’s already an option to do this on apple. In the privacy settings you can set it to limit adult websites which blocks them, doesn’t allow you to use incognito mode, and doesn’t allow you to delete your history. I feel like having parental controls on the devices that parents can use is a way better solution.
Except the goal isn't to protect kids, it's to have a government list of all citizens that watched porn. I don't trust the motives for a second.
It should be really simple: make a browser setting that blocks adult content and to disable it, you need to enter a password set by the parents
Most parents complaining about this are willfully ignorant and refuse to learn how to setup proper and effective parental controls.
@@99mage99 It sucks that people would rather give a government more power than take 15 minutes to learn literally anything
In reality you can just set a filter on most routers. Oh, you don't want prawns on your network, you can ban that content. If your router doesn't have it you can pihole it. It's as simple as that.
The right in America IS NOT small government and hasn’t been for a long time.
were they ever?
@@stitchfinger7678 not really, but they used to be quite progressive though.
The goal here isn't regulation or even keeping kids from seeing porn, this is first step in an eventual attempt to make porn illegal period.
you really think something that generates as much revenue as that industry, has so many addicts (across all classes) as that industry, will ever be illegal? lmao this is like thinking weed will ever be illegal again on states that legalized it.
they were always age restricted, some dumb people just think that restriction should actually exist and tried to do it on the worst form possible.
@@junior1896don't underestimate the stupidity of these states
Apparently if you go far enough left or right you end at the same point of wanting to control what people do, this is no exception
Absolutely. This is the first step.
@@yourguysheppy I'm far left and oh boy, you can't even begin to understand the ways I want people to be free
I see a LOT of lawsuits in Louisiana's future regarding compromising freedom of speech, putting citizens at undue risk by steering people to id fishing sites - cannot see a law like that lasting for very long.
And that's why they should ban it outright
The contradiction of "small government" people pushing for big-government solutions makes a whole lot more sense when you realize they actually mean "small government for us specifically and exclusively". They want as close to zero restrictions on them as they can get away with, up to and including restrictions on their ability to restrict the rest of us.
"small government" is a false premise. At no point have any of these people ran government small for decades. the real reason for the legislation was to have a talking point. the people that fall for this don't understand and will never understand how this legislation is beyond broken and stupid.
So what exactly is it you want to have easy access that only the right is pushing bans on? You want to see more pornographic books in elementary schools? You want to see crack able to be sold on every street corner? What exactly is being restricted that you’re so mad about?
Spot on. They almost never have or care a about consistency in their claimed "principles". They may call themselves "libertarians" or whatever, but the few instances they actually give a fuck about civil liberties is when it suits their own interests. Mainly to infringe on the freedoms of others. Most of the time though they're perfectly fine with a restrictive big government with lots of jack boots on - they only mean "economic liberty", as in, don't ever allow the government to do anything that could reduce profit margins, be it taxes in general, social security, redistribution of wealth or preventing capital from socializing losses while collecting the gains by for example polluting the environment without restriction.
A government small enough to get into your bedroom
"Small government people" tell me you dont know anything about politics without telling me you dont know anything about politics.
Can Louisiana even fine a website that isn't hosted or run in their state?
They can say that they fined them...
I'm pretty sure that lawmakers even factor in the possibility that personal data is being leaked. In their mind, it's your penalty for "immoral" behavior and should also deter from visiting these websites.
Which makes sense, considering it's mostly right-governed states. The religious judgy-ness and lack of sensitivity for the wellbeing of people in the closet is basically policy there, so shitty maneuvers like this make sense for these dumbos.
Yeah, I gather that is the main purpose. Whenever "conservatives" cry "think about the children", they don't give a fuck about those children. It's just a poor disguise to justify their actual goals. For example, they don't care about children's health when they scream about gender change treatments, they just don't want trans people to exist. They did the same thing with gay people when they equated them with child molestors.
employers firing you for being on the porn list, except i can probably guarantee that they'd be on that same list lmao if it existed
Cheers from Louisiana!
The "service" that does the ID processing is located somewhere across from Beirut. Also, our Dept. of Motor Vehicles was snagged in the big MOVEit hack.
Lets be real here, ive been clicking "yes im 18" since i was 13 lol
so did every guy i knew
I still say I'm 18 and I'm way older now haha. I never put my real date of birth. You shouldn't share that information publicly but that is harder to do today.
@@nik_kotthat wasn't old enough back when I was clicking yes illegally
@@TheAtqthe30thI always use 01-01-1970. The start of Unix time.
didn't even have to do that back then
Just to let yall know as a Louisianan resident, while we are a "Red State" the big cities here like New Orleans and Baton Rouge are democrat heavy, which means we can have democrat like policy be implemented if they swing the committee right. Plus we are surprisingly (or not surprisingly ) religious, so I can imagine the bill was marketed as "For the kids" type of bill, when these old idiots didn't have the foresight to realize that blocking stuff like that can actually lead children into worse places.
That is very true. On the Northshore, it's like 95% right leaning. Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Metairie, and a few others are completely left leaning, which really skews things.
I'm over here in south Alabama and depending on what network or WiFi I use, sometimes I get hit with the Pornhub ban because I guess the server the internet traffic goes through is located too close to Louisiana. It's stupid as hell
Or worse, they did realize but didn't care because their voters wouldn't know, and thus see it as a victory.
i feel like people will do anything and everything before telling parents to do their job
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Its not about "does it work" or "protecting the children",
its about punishing/hurting ppl and making it harder to live
Big tech companies just want to better their image, not solving anything.
We all know this will do NOTHING to stop the people who actually want to watch porn
It's to stop the kids though
@@Mysinismikakoit wont.
Yeah, kids are more tech savvy than the average IT worker when it comes to those things. They probably already have stuff on place to hide their tracks from their parents.
@@Hamachingo Kids nowadays can't do anything on an actual computer though they can only really scroll away on their iPhones
@@droson8712 However, installing and turning on a free vpn on iphone is really fucking easy.
I aint puttin in my id to bust. I got back from my college and completely forgot this was a law until I went on the hub and was hit with this BS. Common Louisiana L.
Perhaps a vpn will work for such a problem
Louisiana is an L for a while now, sadge
I'd just beat off the old fashioned way.
"""Louisiana"""" L
Honestly this is a good thing. A lot of young people are permanently damaged by porn. Yeah I wouldn't input my if on fucking pornhub. But restricting porn is a very good thing
5:35 no they are radically religious states. The state of Utah is literally run by the Mormon church. We had a proposition pass during an election that would legalize medical marijuana, the Mormons didn’t like it so the brethren instructed the state to severely alter the proposition to the point it is almost unrecognizable.
2:58 this was a good one, back during covid one US district had a hotline where you could rat out your neighbors and friends for ignoring the rules, and then the entire database leaked and all the snitches got exposed lol. Good work government.
Nice. Snitches should learn there are consequences to their actions.
Some of that wasn't a leak. It was freedom of information requests. The government kept records of things and the public could ask for them
sounds like something i would set up to leak on purpose.
@@cabobs2000 it wasn't a leak and it wasnt fifo, a reporting system like that has to be public, it was public from the get go, just buried on the site, you have a right to know and face your accuser (with some extreme exceptions in child abuse cases), so the database was always publically available.
Happened in Missouri and it was really funny. Folks in St. Louis lost their crap over it when the entire list of snitches got revealed because of a sunshine law.
We really gotta stop thinking that kids should be completely cut off from certain content. You don't just magically become mindful enough to handle all the world's problems when you turn 18. Your parents help to teach you how to handle and interpret the world as you grow up. Trying so hard to put blinders on your kids is what makes them grow up into simple minded assholes. Teach them the dangers and possibilities of the internet. Help them to navigate it as they grow up instead of locking it off until some arbitrary age.
EDIT: There are some.. Interesting.. Takes on this so I'm just gonna go ahead and clarify here.
Noone in their right mind wants a totally unregulated internet. But the right kind of regulation is needed. Parents should be the ones responsible for regulating their own childrens intake of content but they also need to be given the power to do so. Linus even mentioned an isp based solution for locking a user from content on parental request.
My point with the original post was that you can't keep kids from reality forever so you just shouldn't. As a parent you need to ease your kids into reality so that by the time they are moving out they can handle themselves. Tell them now how things work, they can handle it I promise. Don't say things like "when you're older you'll understand" because if you don't try and explain it now they literally won't understand it when they're older.
this is the worst take. Children shouldnt be on the internet its the parents fault when a kid is allowed to expose themselves to those materials. Its very clear children are losing their innocence younger and younger in america. Unfettered access to the internet for children was a failure.
@@iamlindd Good example of bad parenting lmfao. Just failing your own child in that case. I wonder where your kid is gonna get the money to gamble 🤔
@@iamlindd I was big into virtual gambling when I was 10 or so, virtual as in with fake money. I remember a game called Test Drive Unlimited 2, it had a casino with real casino games (Blackjack, Roulette, Etc.). I would spend most of my time within that game gambling away my virtual money, after a time I looked up strategies to win at these games and quickly learned that the house always sets the odds against the players and gambling is always a net negative over a large dataset, regardless of game. Poker and other social deception games are a different beast and not strictly gambling in my view, as they have no house advantage. From all of this and other virtual gambling I did as a child, I learned that gambling is a stupid idea and even now almost 2 decades later I have never once spent a single real cent on gambling. I even saw lootboxes for what they were far before anyone else, and never bought those either.
So TLDR, yes kids should be taught the risks of gambling as young as they can comprehend them, preferably in a safe environment where they can't lose real money. This holds true for EVERY single subject you can imagine. So much of child safety these days fails to comprehend that if you are shielded from something all your life, when that thing comes to hurt you, you won't have the experience to defend yourself.
Nonsense.
It’s not that easy. People always want to avoid difficult issues with the “better parenting” cope. You don’t need to try or be familiar with heroin, you’re better off never interacting with it at all. Granted, prohibiting obscene material is not even remotely straightforward. But ethically, I don’t see any issue. Practically, yeah, there’s a lot of discuss.
What do you expect parents to do exactly? Hey kids, I know you’re at a sensitive, impressionable age with raging hormones but don’t look at all this insane stuff that’s a finger’s touch away, it’s bad for you. Parents can only limit access up to a point, computers/phones/etc are everywhere. I’m not saying I have a solution but I’m buying this stupid “muh parenting” cope. My parents are admirable, good people, but they were (and still are) woefully unprepared to deal with this. Most people are, tech moves fast so that will likely never change.
What I've seen a few people do is basically ask me to send my ID but it is a heavily redacted and censored image. The only thing actually visible was my DOB. They also had me put it on a piece of paper with my username and date handwritten on it. Could it have been someone else's id? Sure and they wouldn't be able to tell but at least they could say "Yes we got an ID with a DOB that showed someone was 18+".
Hell for all they cared the ID could be fake.
@@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks I know.
@@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks McLovin reloaded
9:55 no, Twitter doesn't need age verification, but it could certainly stand to have an IQ verification.
Ah great idea. Stupid people don’t deserve free speech. 🤡
I mean, it could get those terminally online kids off of Twitter if it was marked as being for adults... It would also reduce predator cases. Obviously people can lie, but it puts more responsibility on the individual versus the website. Parents just assume these sites have everything worked out, and if something goes wrong, it's the sites fault. Which, sure, sometimes the websites are bad about it, but even a quick overview of some accounts will tell you something is up most of the time.
I would not mind age verification for twitter
Let the government keep us safe... Is like the quote...
"You know we're sitting on four million pounds of fuel, one nuclear weapon and a thing that has 270,000 moving parts built by the lowest bidder. Makes you feel good, doesn't it?"
Corporation have a vested interest in an incompetent gov, so they lobby politicians into purposely making gov worse.
Fun fact, UPS once sued the US government because they couldn't compete with USPS. After that failed, they started lobbying the gov and very coincidentally, the USPS started getting worse. 🤔
Trying to regulate the internet like this is akin to building a fence around a bird
This is a fantastic analogy.
I think education about "that stuff" is really important here. Some people just watch it for the sake of curiosity and since some societies out there consider talking about it as taboo, it leads some astray. It's similar to what Linus said that it should be heavily taught that what they see on the internet are mostly show business and those who do those stuff there are just actors.
In some states, that website is the only sex education they can get. And not the whole "how to do sex safely", just "how to sex at all"
@@Demopans5990 its gross to have pointed out but this is probably the case for some people, yeah
this, so much.
my dad actually showed me how to delete my browser history, a memory I will forever cherish.
This issue uncovers a major point of contention between libertarians and the other factions on the American right. A significant number of conservatives will abandon all pretenses of "small government" the second that there is a chance that kids could get into something inappropriate.
"please think of the children" lmao
they always throw this excuse, for every single thing possible LOL
It would be nice if they realized that if they applied that thought to their own children, they wouldn't support all of this dumb gov intervention.
In one sense, I understand the idea. A child can't enter an adult store, and they can't purchase alcohol. It doesn't make sense for a child to be able to access an adult site with no ID check if they'd need to do an ID check for a physical location.
However, these sites clearly mark that they are what they are. You don't get to these sites without looking for them, or by doing something shady already (e.g., clicking on an ad on a piracy website). These aren't hard to avoid if someone wants to do that, and I thought parenting was supposed to address that. And even putting that aside, schools already blacklist these sites, so why can't they provide home-based solutions for parents that want to do the same?
On another note, if we take this a step further, why shouldn't anything that can have adult subject matter like Twitter, CZcams, Twitch, news sites, etc., also have ID verification? You can't buy alcohol as a minor whether you're picking it up from a dedicated store or a variety store, so by this same logic any website that has adult services should require ID checks. What happens if someone else marks your work as adult-oriented (e.g., a CZcams video on a tragic incident), and then everyone needs ID to view it?
then the children will just use a VPN as well and the only thing that benefited was the government
“First time?”
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I remember a student at my high school found a filepath available to all students that contained all info like SSN for like 8-9 years of students and teachers
Why does a school need a child's SSN?
@@Monsuco yeah like they can already ask for birth certificate afaik and the kid is physically in the school, what more proof could you need?
Bless your heart. It's just adorable that you say "small government" is on any politician's radar besides a campaign "promise"
VPNs are the definition of the free market and it’s glorious
well...
I just wish parent's would do their job by actually using parent's controls and read ESRB for games and do research into things before blaming companies been a tale as old as the 80s since like pokemon and DND
To be fair, almost every generation is going to be more tech savvy than their parents.
My parents tried, but they could never put controls on my Internet usage short of banning my use of tech, which would be awful parenting.
@@deejnutz2068 not anymore. Kids now have no concept of file systems. Kids are much worse than their parents at technology now. Parents now have used PCs since they were 8 years old now.
It should be both. Part of the governments job is to protect its citizens. That's also the job of the parents.
@bryanjs4785 one thing to notice with some governments they legit ban a lot of games Rated M games and games with certain themes like bro most games in Japan would not fly in America for multiple reasons *cough* Kids in games
@@deejnutz2068 This isn't really the case anymore. I would say the last time the majority of children were more competent with tech than their parents was early-middle gen Z. There are exceptions but now kids are mostly just very good at using the easily accessible functions of a smartphone or tablet, not much deeper than installing and using apps or with a PC. I think it's because around the 90s-2000s when it was still pretty new kids weren't expected to know a whole lot and were actively taught more about it, while now it's just sort of assumed that teenagers and children are natural computer wizzes.
3:50 The main theoretical advantage of direct government ID verification is that theoretically the government already knows your ID info from when they issued it in the first place. In practice, they are increasing the attack surface so it's still very bad, but assuming equivalent development effort it's *marginally* better
In theory you could implement it in a way where there's no record of who actually had their ID verified.
E.g. I create a private/public key. I send the public key to the government server with my ID. They verify my ID and sign the key, saying "yes, the owner of this key is over 18", but don't actually store anything.
Of course, I don't trust them to actually do this.
No... It's worse in every way to have to verify the age you are. Remember the rules of the internet? Never use your real name, never mention your age, never mention where you live, etc. It's privacy 101. All this is doing is making the attack vector larger regardless of who is at the keyboard, whether that's you, your kid, your dog, some alien from trapest 1, It doesn't matter. It's a net negative period.
@@global2829 I had the same idea, but I'd think more so a government signing a file that contains a hash of your name (or a hash of a hash so you don't have to send the site your name) or other information that is non-critical so no database is needed and all the gov needs to do is sign the file
or we could just, you know, NOT have a totalitarian government track and control every person. children should be the responsibility of the PARENTS NOT the government
@@Leon78536 So if you are in Germany but you don't have an ID from Germany (let's say a Chinese ID) you have to go to a postal store?
The real "fix" would be to make actually good sexual education. Not just about the physical part, but going deep into the psychological part of relationships and sex.
this is how it went down with the curriculum in my school district (in Canada) about ~10 years ago now, idk how it's handled now or elsewhere, maybe I was just lucky with good teachers or got taught it at the right time but they also taught us how to recognize if someone we knew was abusing us and who to go to for help. In my case sex ed was never just about learning about sex but also about how to avoid abusive relationships and not be an abusive p.o.s myself
This would require religious conservatives to acknowledge that sex isn't a dirty, shameful thing that should only be done for making babies, something they will never do, because they are religious conservatives
See the UK government tried this about 3 years ago and it went nowhere.
Another concern with device-based verification: What would Linux users or users of open-source operating systems do in that case? I can assure you that if this were to happen, Linux users would be excluded from everything because no Linux maintainer or developer in their right mind would ever agree to implement such an intrusive feature, especially considering Linux's commitment to privacy. Moreover, no one would be able to crawl web content that requires verification anymore, except for big tech companies like Google and Microsoft that have obtained approval to bypass proper verification. These are just my initial thoughts after pondering the idea for a minute, it would be absolute madness if the concept of device verification were to gain wider adoption.
Considering the AI chatbot mania, this may well be the intent. Speculating, of course, we would have to know who paid the politicians. But, if true, then this may be just the latest attempt to choke out new players in a emerging market.
Corpos hate competition, after all.
@@hyperdude144 Yes, if you think about it, many other sub-markets, especially in the web development world, would also be directly and horrifyingly affected by this, with smaller businesses being the ones who have to pay the price.
Well considering the French government basically said that using Linux means you are a terrorist, I wouldnt be surprised if the US/states will do a similar thing.
It should be the parents job to monitor what their children are doing. We don't need the gov to spy on us like this or let our data leak. This is why it is important to register to vote, I'm 26. Also Linus, I believe there are many topics republicans share together (probably for their own control of people). I'm not left or right, I believe in making the best choices for everyone.
'murica doesn't HAVE a left wing. Bernie Sanders, your most notable left leaning politician, is center left at most
It should be the parents job to educate their children about safe internet usage. children have a right to privacy to.
The UK tried to do this years ago, it would push kids in to more harm, if they wanted to actively look for it, they would find it on worse sites.
at the end of the day the solution to keep minors off of adult sites is for parents to actually raise their kids instead of thinking it's enough to just keep them fed and in school
Didn't expect this to turn into an educational video at the end and tbh I wish as I kid I had someone like Linus or Luke to give me advice because back then I had to hide out of fear of my family and when I finally got to do the real thing there were issues due to unrealistic expectations on my side that took me a while to fix. Restricting won't help any kid, it will only make them hide where you cannot control them, cannot guide them, cannot develop a parent-child relation where there is trust.
I think it's only right when talking about porn laws that Linus indeed let Luke finish...
The death of the internet is happening 1 step at a time.
What a time to be alive while it was still mostly truly free. Truly no better time to be born.
From the second these pieces of legislation were announced I laughed and thought "That's stupid, this is only going to cause VPN usage to go up in those areas." And that's exactly what's happening.
Yeah but it's aimed at children who can't always download a vpn so it still works even if it ain't perfect will get around it like every law we got
@rickroller5742 as a wise man once said "ain't shit you can do to stop a determined and horny teen"
@azaril7780 its still gonna be harder for em won't stop all of em but some
@rickroller5742 I'll tell you who it will stop, it'll stop people who only had a passing interest, people who want to find it (wich is probably most of them) will find it dumbass law be damned
I did an experiment and clicked through the top 10 trends on Twitter to see how many of them had NSFW content. For each trend I looked at the first 12 tweets and I was unable to find a single instance of NSFW. I don't understand why Linus' experience is so different.
With the Australia social security leak it’s amazing that there was someone technical enough to import a table from a database to an html layout, and then not know a blur was only visual.
it's one of those things where the parents just need to take responsibility, because all of this surrounds restricting access to underage individuals. No step in technology is going to prevent kids from finding ways around any such access restriction at the technological level.
When Luke mentioned the blocklist, I think he thought of the linklists of old. Blocklists could easily be used that way.
Finally at the end, you hit the nail on the head. It's the parents that need to guide their children, not the government. I can see and agree with the restrictions, when it's a place like an adult movie theater. Inline no, I ran a BBS for years. I never had adult material, not because I'm against it for those who want it, but because I knew how easy it was for kids to get a picture of dad's ID to send. It should be parents who raise their kids, not the government.
Exactly.
Really nice conversation with a perfect punchline.
Education instead of bans or total surveillance.
Kids will always find ways around bans, and they would just be taught to lie in case they get caught in case of surveillance. Education on the other hand helps them grow up and figure out stuff on their own.
and today its released that "Every Louisiana driver’s license holder exposed in colossal cyber-attack" article by the guardian
Karma's a bitch.
Yeah, it'd be the AshleyMadison user list all over again, but even worse because it involves people who weren't specifically using a dating website for adultery
they weren't trying to cheat, they just wanted to skeet
Lol almost the same in Indonesia where they literally spends miliions usd of taxpayer money to block those webs, anw it could be bypassed by a simple dns change
This is what happens when you keep electing people that are literally older than Television. Imagine Internet.
pornhub was advocating for this Louisiana law in the first place as they saw it as a way to fine their competition out of service. They have no interest in data privacy here which is why their alternate option is bad as well because its the same solution as the first one they pushed through the legislature.
The hilarity of this also that kids could very easily learn how to use a vpn.
Korea did similar things to other websites, and it was hackers' playground for a long time.
Pretty much all personal info e.g., SSN, address, name, phone numbers, were leaked and became public information.
I remember when that info was so easily available, you could register to Korean-only MMOs
South Korea is an example to rest of the world what not to do and people still follow their godawful dystopian example.
I just want everyone to remember that Utah started this ball rolling. It wasn't Louisiana or Mississippi or any other state in the Deep South where you'd expect something like this to spawn from, it's from that godforsaken patch of desert.
The only way that age verification online makes sense is if you have a government system that you can use to generate a number that is not tied to your actual ID. Like you get this token ID that you use on all websites that need age verification. The websites query the ID on the state government portal and give a pass or fail response. Anyone who gets this number cannot use it to find out anything about the identity of the user. They just get a response on whether it is in the database or not. it would require not using a VPN outside of your local area though, as location would be necessary to ensure that the website is querying the correct portal.
The thing that really makes me question this is the timing. Why haven't they started this 20+ years ago? Why *now*? If this were because they 'thought of the children', they would have taken on the issue decades ago. And it's not like they developed some kind of tech to allow proving your age annoymously (or at least, annoymous to the p0rn sites - the government already knows your name and how old you are) that would have been unfeasible in the past. They just make you send your ID.
This isn't done to protect the youth. It's done because some way to old men are scared of p0rn and think that it'll destroy society (which anyone with a connection to reality knows just isn't the case, but I digress).
17:20 linus is just a gigachad of a dad
In the UK all ISPs automatically set the safety feature to max, and give instructions on how a user can change them.
For mobile all over 18 content including places like ann summers is blocked and you need to go into a store to show your id for them to the unlock your account. Nobody is able to keep anything.
When people making laws have completely broken from reality...
For the biometric one, it can be set in Parental Controls. If certain sites are accessed, the phone has to check who’s using it. It’s not like the phone isn’t already getting a lot of this data anyway.
bro and people also think the goverment/nsa/fbi doesn't already know everything
What if parents took care of their children instead of shoving down legislation unto everyone else?
Did these politicians not read the dystopian books in school? Fahrenheit 451, 1984, Brave New World, etc? How can anyone hear about this and not see it as a step towards Thought Police?
There is currently a law going through UK Parliament that introduces the exact same restrictions here in the UK, as well as trying to force encryption providers to include backdoors. It's called the Online Safety Bill and it's proving to be something of a nightmare. Years ago similar laws were proposed, and the government at the time even managed to choose a private company to handle UK age verification at the time, that company was Mindgeek who own Pornhub (yes really). Those laws were dropped at the time but surprise, surprise the same vested interests who pushed for those laws the last time are the ones behind these new laws. Unfortunately it now looks like the law will be passed later this year.
I'm still of the opinion that the teacher SSN issue was very likely an issue of the page being directly created from database content and the developer took the lazy route of CSS or commenting to hide the unwanted fields instead of removing it from the query.
Once again a bunch of stay at home moms who never graduated high school are blaming the behavior of the children they refuse to stop neglecting on a Company who provides a service to adults.
This has a lot of parallels to the intrinsic high cost of defense compared to offense.
Spend time and money to develop and implement a system to try to verify identities based on geography, harden that against attackers (which it obviously wont be), fine companies to get them to comply... then get defeated by a free VPN.
Kids are into tech and are getting better with each generation. Politicians are usually 80yrs old and unable to due their daily job.
I just don’t get how we’ve come so far when you used to just have parents watch what their kids were doing to not do anything bad or have parental locks
No that’s not good enough anymore
Linus' comments on tech regulation are based AF.
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Device based verification would mean a walled garden of proprietary operating systems.
Haha I am all for protecting children, yet this whole scenario just reminds me of lazy teachers in school.
It's always so much easier to punish the entire class when that 1 student is a problem, but it's a blanket solution for something that deserves specific, special attention.
I can only see average users being righteously pissed off and adolescents will still find loopholes to access lewd internet.
Well if the lgtv++ community didn't start going after kids there would not be this issue in the first place
Punishing the whole class for 1 student isn't any sort of solution. That is more like a recipe for bullying.
it doesn't need any attention but that of the parents.
While international lawsuits exist, it's going to be hard sell to claim that Pornhub is specifically operating in Louisiana. They would have to maintain a server or something like that.
If the US wants to implement age verification for certain websites, some lessons from Japan and age verification for dating sites would be helpful. Most of the sites that I've encountered with some stupid exceptions like Tinder only make you reveal your birthday and your name. It's not really possible to steal someone's identity with that amount of information.
Should be noted that Republican dominated states only care about small government when it suits them; when it allows powerful people to take advantage of marginalized groups. On that note, I think part of why this is being done is that those states want to create a list of closeted lgbt people's personal information. This is one of the 10 steps for genocide, after all.
All age verification rules and nonsense and a waste of time and money. Even with alcohol. It all makes doing it more attractive because it's forbidden and does not actually stop anything. This kind of stuff needs to be dealt with by parents in their own houses and networks.
I think honestly what we need to do is just make a law saying ISPs are required to ask DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN? during the sign up, if you click yes it deplys a kids network for them, or if a cell phone is for a kid it automatically blocks said sites. The tools have been here from all major US carrers and ISPs for a bit, so it's just a matter of ensuring parents know about them and use them
YES OMG FINALLY SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN
Wait we have it network restricted in the UK. So it's blocked by default but you can turn the block off by logging into your broadband providers account and toggle it off. Same applies for all Sims in phones etc...
That's a way better system
Sprint had that here in the US, untill tmobile bought them out.
There was also a news story about a cyber attack in Louisiana where ALL drivers licenses were compromised... with this would it not be possible for anyone to just pose as someone else on these sites anyways? Then when this list leaks, people will have to defend themselves for what OTHER people have done with their ID
In the UK, my mobile ISP blocks all adult content (gambling too) by default and if you want access you need to check a box to opt in and verify your age, if their system doesn't recognise you and your birthdate then it will ask for additional verification. Of course anybody on my network will have access once I as the owner opted in, but surely this could be a workaround too?