Motor Trend Is Wrong About The Jeep Gladiator Eco Diesel...Sort Of
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- čas přidán 19. 12. 2020
- Today on Dirt Lifestyle, we put the diesel Jeep Gladiator through a serious towing test! Motor Trend wrote a great article about this truck and the results of their test were dramatically different. It felt like a great concept for a video and an example of how you shouldn't make all your buying decisions based on one story. I know this isn't my usual content (and you are probably looking for last episode of the tire carrier build) but I hope you all enjoy it anyway!
Here is a link to the article from motor trend, I recommend reading it because it has some great info on this truck.
www.motortrend.com/cars/jeep/...
If you are in the market for the new Jeep Gladiator eco diesel, the Motor Trend article coupled with this video should give you a lot of perspective and I hope it helps in some way! Enjoy the video!
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Nailed the towing analysis perfectly. The only reason a trailer would wander like that is because it was not properly loaded. You need to make certain you have the appropriate tongue weight.
And possibly the Airstream is too far towards the top of the towing rating it could be much heavier than stated, mid size trucks do well up to 3500-4000 lbs, after that your pushing it with safety towing with any mid size truck. I know from my 06 Tacoma OR my Casita 17 is about the limit of the trucks ability to tow well. Its somewhere around 3500 loaded for camping. Most Airstreams that size are Very heavy trailers in comparison.
There's more to the trailer stability physics than tongue weight. It's a combination of tongue length from axle centerline, polar moment (how far the weight is from the axle center - ie concentrated over the axle or spread out), and tongue weight. A car trailer normally is more stable due to the much lower polar moment than a travel trailer.
So this test isn't really comparable. It towed a more dynamically stable trailer with more stability... Yes. But what does that really confirm? More stable trailers are easier to tow? I think we already knew that.
@@MrJcjet Right on. The gladiators towing capability will be limited more than anything by its light weight. To tow more safely it would need a few K more LBs to its stock frame. Its a light weight off road truck, not a towing monster.
This is why I watch TFL Ike Gauntlet content. They show you where they tow and how they load the trailers. Motortrend has been full of shit multiple times before.
@@marklittrell3202 I have a 2010 gmc ext cab sierra 2wd 5.3 6spd auto and a 2019 F150 crew cab 10spd auto the F150 is considerably lighter than the Sierra like a 800-900lbs I have a 9k lb travel trailer I was worried about the lighter weight in the F150 but it wasn't an issue it was actually more stable. The factory brake controller was way more intuitive and engine braking was better. Modern trucks are towing more while weighing less. Stability comes from proper loading, weight distribution hitch and well designed trailer brake controllers.
I'm not in the market for a Jeep, and I don't think I'll ever have to tow with a Jeep. But I can say this, this is one of the best reviews of a vehicle I have seen.
thank you!
Good job calling out Motor Trend. Ever since they started to make you pay for content and took their vids off CZcams, I haven’t watched or read any of their content.
Agreed... I really appreciated this review and especially Nate’s comment about how a single negative review (esp from sources like MT) likely impacts decisions. Who tows an airstream with a Rubicon anyway? Load that thing down with a half-dozen dirt bikes and camping gear then get back to us.
Anyone that knows even the basics of towing knows that 10-15% of the overall weight should be on the tongue. MotorTrend staff was towing a 5,200 pound TT with 485 pounds of tongue weight. The owners manual in the Jeep Gladiator specifically states: "If the gross trailer weight is 2,000 lbs
(907 kg) or more, it is recommended to use a
weight-distributing hitch to ensure stable
handling of your vehicle. If you use a standard
weight-carrying hitch, you could lose control
of your vehicle and cause a collision."
The lack of proper tongue weight and disregard for proper weight distribution is utter and complete incompetence by MotorTrend staff. Not only is their article completely bogus, but they arrived at their conclusions through complete negligence of manufacturer's recommendations. Hopefully FCA lawyers sent a cease and desist to MotorTrend.
@@user-gx2bs1vq7w If that is what happened that is extremely un safe. Especially on a mid size. My dad used to tow (in the 80's and 90's) a 19' 3500lb Bigfoot travel trailer with a 82 Chevy Malibu Station Wagon. It was gutless with a 305 and Turbo 350 transmission but it never let us down. With the weight distribution hitch and air shocks it was perfectly level and towed well. What you describe was completely idiotic on Motor Trends part.
Agreed - Motor Trend 👎
I did a free trial for the magazine years ago and they reported me for non payment even though I never gave them a card or anything. Tanked my credit like 20 pts. Screw them man.
I used to deliver Airstream campers from the factory to the dealers. Some of the models would throw my Ram 2500 Cummins around because the axles are too far forward. Airstream (and most camper manufacturers) do that because it keeps the campers "half-ton towable" even when they are too heavy/long for a half-ton.
Not a big fan of the new diesel engines, too much emissions stuff to keep the reliability on par with current gas engines. Once my Ram hit 100k, a bunch of that stuff just suddenly fell off.
"suddenly fell off". That's funny!
Ate the end of the day, it is a FIAT fix it again theodore diesel.
Love my third gen, hate the mopar aspect of the truck. Front end, trans, all need upgrade to handle the torque and heavy factor.
I have the 3.0 in my ram and love it emissions fell off at 100k and I lost the tone ring at 128 but at 140 she still singing along getting 26mpg at 80 in Texas.
Your very focused, highly cinematic shots are some of the best on youtube.
Thank you!
@@DirtLifestyle agreed! What setup were you using for the slow pans in some of the talking segments in your shop?
I know many of you were hoping for a completed tire carrier today but it won't be ready for a day or two. Until then, enjoy the gladiator diesel video!
Here is the article from motor trend. I highly recommend checking it out 👍
www.motortrend.com/cars/jeep/gladiator/2021/2021-jeep-gladiator-ecodiesel-first-test-review/
Would you recommend a trailer break controller and weight distribution hitch for RV towing?
Mototrend botched the towing. I hate their articles. They need to hire more engineers and mechanics and less auto journalists to write the articles
Any trailer over 3000 pounds requires trailer brakes in every state, some states it’s even lower.
@@shekharmoona544 yes! If you have access to one it will never hurt. I even use it on my flat tow trailer and it makes a huge difference
Nate, you nailed it! I'm definitely not a fan of the price on anything new and love to find problems with new stuff. BUT, the Motor Trend "test" is extremely flawed. The complaints they had regarding handling are due to a bad trailer setup, nothing else.
When towing any trailer, you should have 15% of the weight on the tongue.
If MT towed a 5200 lb camper with 485 lbs on the tongue....
Hahaha, that's what I was thinking. Didn't even catch the basics... That driver should likely stick to car reviews...
As soon as I saw it on the screen I thought damn not even 10% tongue weight
I thought 10% tongue weight was what you're supposed to have
Great, real world test. Your points on the "article" do raise some questions as to why they got the results they did but no matter. I prefer this type of unbiased informative review. Huge thumbs-up!
Great review Nate! We picked up a Max Tow Gladiator a year ago as a general purpose vehicle. One of the key things we wanted was the tow capacity as we tow a 6k pound (scaled) RV trailer but yet not another Full size truck which we've had many of. Granted we run a weight distribution hitch I will say that with the Gladiator at max gross and the trailer at 6k it tows incredibly well. I like you have towed just about everything under the sun. This combo is very nice. We obviously don't have the diesel and I can say the gas motor while being a bit obnoxious will tow this weight just fine and also we've never seen any weird temp spikes on hills. I was appalled when I first heard about this article from Motortrend. You just can't fault a truck over a crappy setup.
The simple fact that Motor Trend towed a travel trailer without the use of sway control & weight distribution shows they are either ignorant or it was a biased test setup for failure. How many times have you seen one of these trailers on it's side & the truck with its tail end in the air or worse because it lacked the use of proper towing equipment
My thoughts exactly. My wife was listening to me watch this video, and she said it while I was thinking it. I even use a weight distribution hitch on my flatbed trailer. It makes a big difference.
I tow travel trailers for work with a 3/4 or 1 ton and without the sway bars hooked up, the trailer are all over the place. So I think MT should retest with proper set up
I would bet that the journalist testing the towing capability has zero experience with real-life towing. There are so many egotistical, young "professionals" out in the work place who are know-it-alls and don't bother to actually gain knowledge on a topic before declaring themselves an expert.
My vote is for a biased test.
@@makingtechsense126 And potentially they are also dangerous for other people on the road.
It sounds like Motortrend didn't have enough tongue weight.
The 2021's have a new steering box. The old steering boxes were all aluminum and made them wander and handle very badly! They replaced mine to the newer one under warranty! Now it's a completely different truck!
I have a 2020 and have the stock steering box. Even my 2018 JL Rubicon wandered all over. I order an aftermarket brace that will correct this problem but it has been on backorder from the manufacturer and/or a national known 4 wheel drive shop SINCE MAY. I need to go to the dealer and have them install the new steering box under warranty. Luckily it is not the only vehicle I drive. My newer Ram 1500 with the Hemi is sure fun when I stomp on the gas. Lol.
@@chuckw6099 yeah I have the synergy sector shaft on mine. It helps but it didn't fix it. Now I put it back on with the new steering box figured it couldn't hurt.
I rented a wrangler in 2019 and it wandered horribly. Much much worse than my 2004 Lj with 150k and original front end. I’m really glad to hear the new steering box helped. I would be livid if I paid what a new Jeep costs and was told I had to live with that mess.
Every diesel gladiator has the new box
Turbochargers are actually better than naturally aspirated at elevation. Other than that I agree with what others have said, the wind resistance difference between even an Airstream and that Jeep is massive. Even though a 23ft Airstream is a little big for a mid-size pickup, that Gladiator has the torque and wheelbase for something that large; they really did need to put a weight distribution hitch on that setup to tow safely.
John must be a good friend. He is putting his brand new jeep to work, without even breaking it in. I like the gladiator but I wish jeep would have done something special to it. It would have looked awesome if they put a gladiator front end on it. It would Really make you feel like you got a special vehicle, not just a wrangler with a truck bed.
Looked like he purchased from a Volkswagon dealership, so guessing it was lightly used.
FYI. There is no "break in" recommended by Jeep for the EcoDiesel. I've got 3K miles on mine (got it 11/6/20) and at least half those miles pulling 6K lbs.
I like your approach to things, Nate. Whether it’s wheeling or fabricating. And your application of things in life influences your reviews, making them true reviews and not just marketing fodder. Keep doing it all! Great stuff.
Thank you!
Appreciate you doing this . Good to have an honest look at the Gladiators towing performance.
The EcoDiesel is a very capable engine when coupled with the 8 speed trans. IDK about the Jeep package, but I've pulled 12,000 lbs on highway and through mountains with my 2014 Ram 1500 with no struggle. The stock springs, shocks/struts and tire package rode like a boat. I replaced all, and now it rides and tows surprisingly well. From my perspective, the EcoDiesel is flying under the radar of a lot of folks.
It’s a pile of crap with all that emissions bullshit.
@@boomerang379 Do you own one? I switched from a Silverado to the RAM ecodiesel. It runs circles around the Chevy, especially towing at the top of it's range, which is why I bought it. I drove a Hemi loaner early on. Boy, that thing was a gas guzzling pig and didn't tow near like the little diesel does. Honestly, after driving it for ~55k miles now, I'd never go back to a V8 in a 1/2 ton truck.
The 3.0 eco Diesel engine is garbage. Not even American made 😂
The media in general & even the automotive media have biases, before they cover an issue or review an article, they frequently have an opinion that they want to prove (rather than objectively view something with a clean slate)...I can't help but wonder if they knew the Jeep would struggle w/ a center-axled trailer and pick that variable (as well as, potentially, elevation) to intentionally set up the Gladiator for failure. I've seen this a lot in other comparisons where they pick a testing variable that 1 tester excels in where other struggles in deapite the fact the no one picks (or doesn't pick) the latter tester b/c of that variable, then they declare the former the "winner" based on cherry-picked criteria.
Consumer reports did that with the XJ reviews they did back in the 90's, it would surprise me if motor trend didn't do it now with the Gladiator. One of the worst cases of this was Peterson's 4 wheel and off road's 4x4 of the year in 2003.. you know the year the TJ Rubicon came out, the most capable factory 4x4 ever produced up to that point.. guess what won that year.. some yuppie lexus luxury SUV. That thing would get stuck in a grocery store parking lot that wasn't plowed clean, but it sure drove nice on the freeway so it won 4x4 of the year, WHAT?! Bought and paid for, period.
I agree man. I like motor trend alot but am very firmilar with the hit peices automotive journalist did to take out the Suzuki samurai. I think anything you read or watch just be noted but not taken as the last word. I hope this video helps some folks get a fair assessment on what this truck should be used for.
Either way thanks for watching buddy 👍
Consumer reports did same thing to the Isuzu trooper in the 90’s and I think Isuzu sued and won. Purposely rolled it over I believe.
I have seen automotive reviews in Europe of the JL Wrangler Rubicon vs The G Wagon vs the new Defender. And driving the JL differently to fail up obsticles and not disconnecting sway bars in a few CZcams videos😕
@@gen1c8rs88 if JL failed to accomplish was 2 vehicles that are WAY more expensive could accomplish, that isn't saying anything. But JL is a GREAT platform. And the JT is the best offroad-focused midsized P/U made.
Thank you for putting time into this, it shows your devotion and it’s very well appreciated.
That hill southbound I-5 outside of Mt. Vernon is 5% grade. Known to locals as Starbird hill due to the exit name at the top of the hill. Great video and excellent review.
Great review. EPA doesn't like diesels. They're doing their best to kill them with requirements that make them unaffordable and unreliable. Me thinks Motortrend might be in the EPA's pockets a bit..
Epa won't be able to kill diesel engines. The world is run off of Diesel
@@bigwahoo8686 They don't care. They want to start with the consumers and work their way into agriculture. Any modern diesel has emissions BS, dpf def regen and all.
That's why we'll keep deleting and tuning.
Yeah, agreed.
MT said the diesel didn't pull as well as the gas version?! I. Call. Bullshitt.
That is a lie.
wait until you see what CA is requiring for diesel engines in 2024...
i received my 2021 EcoDiesel Gladiator Sport November 6th. I also have a 2020 Sport Gladiator with the max tow package (gas). I've not sold the 2020 yet because we are in the process of attempting to put together a comparison of the two. I will tell you that I also disagree with the Motor Trend take on the EcoDiesel. I have towed LJ's (right at 6K lbs with trailer) through Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee with each of these and the EcoDiesel does it much more effortlessly and efficiently than does the gas. I've never had any issues with the trailer wandering with either rig. I've not had any problems with the EcoDiesel overheating.
I enjoy your fab videos, but you are a natural at this format too. Just seeing how excited your buddy is to be driving his new rig was pure gold too. Dude is straight up giddy behind the wheel pulling off the lot.
Lol thanks man! I'm very happy to see you enjoyed it 🤘
Definitely enjoy the change of pace and variety! It's good to mix things up every once in a while, and I value your experience and wisdom sharing - real world, real info!
Thank you!
I consider fancy magazine reviews about the same way as movie critics. The "professionals" usually have a radically different opinion than those of us in the real world.
Totally, they get to review supercars and stuff that I might see once in a year. Then they all jaded about something mid-range that I think is really cool
The towing from the turbo at elevation should be an advantage over the gas engine. Motor Trend is a car magazine at best.
True but I was speaking to the comparison of our experience to theirs with the diesels. We were just over sea level and if they are in the rockies the turbo on their truck might struggle to keep peak boost.
At BEST. At typical they are a company that says what it is popular to say. Companies tell them what to say then they tend to go ahead and say it. Motor trend is more an advertising platform for car/car related companies
@@kregadeth5562 This is absolutely true, their "car of the year award" goes to whomever pays the most in advertising!!!!
Nice truck!About those people, who did the towing test with an RV, we have a good Russian saying: “It is all depends on a gasket between the steering wheel and a seat”.It means you have to be enough smart to do everything the right way and be safe! Thank you for sharing your experience with us, people who’s interested in this vehicle.
Hell yeah that turned out great Nate! You and John did a great video. Thanks for coming along my friend!
Great recap on the Eco Diesel. Helps to know you can back your thoughts up with real world use.
I also like Motor Trend, but I know they accept payment for their reviews. I'm thinking their Diesel Gladiator towing video should be labelled, "Brought to you by Chevrolet".
Sponsored by Chevy. That's funny!
@@chuckw6099 Chevrolet has to buy good reviews for sure.
@@davidcox2197 Well, in full disclosure, I have a Gladiator and a newer model 2019 Ram 1500. I love the Hemi in it. I don't care for the styling of the new Chevys. Regardless of which manufacturer a person chooses, all of these newer trucks are way better than the trucks 10 or 20 years ago. I just hope they just last as long. Lol.
Or Toyota . . .
@@chuckw6099 That is a good point. I recently sold my 1986 Jeep Comanche and bought a Jeep Gladiator. The Comanche was a 4x4 long bed and it was kinda cool, but the factory Chevrolet 2.6 liter V6 was downright anemic. It made NO power and, thanks to the 3-speed auto, it guzzled gasoline. My new Jeep truck has LOTS more power, 4 doors, uses way less gas and, hey, the top comes off!
I just have to say, you have put it through its paces and I am a huge fan of the channel. You truly do your due diligence and I appreciate your input. Nate is the dude. 100%
Thank you! I appreciate it!
Damn man, I've never seen your channel but I'll gladly say your editing is on point and the interview style camera work is fantastic. Great job.
Can't believe they aren't releasing the diesel gladiator in Australia. Worst decision ever. Australia the land of dual cab diesel utes (trucks) these things would be sold out!
American's want the 79 series diesels!!!
@@jimmyvalhalla1939 So true! If the gladiator was offered in diesel in Aus I would already have one. As it is I'm holding out for the Grenadier to replace my old Defender
had the same thoughts but the breakover angle is pretty rough for their terrain out there
@@kristoferfc6525 it's not really any worse than a 79. There are a few around, but you don't see many because they are petrol. If you could get a diesel I think they would be everywhere.
You need diesel in Australia because you need the range.
I agree Australia needs the diesel!
Looks like to me the trailer in the article wasn’t set up right. They probably got some staff writer who has no idea about setting up and using the trailer. As your old partner Matt did a really good series on trailers and towing. It’s sad when they put somebody in charge of something that has no idea what they’re doing. Thank you for another great video keep up the good work😎👍
I know I would want a 2500 size truck to tow that airstream, not a mid size.
Your videography (the drone work, footage in the vehicles & in your shop) is excellent. Great video!
Love this review. Def real life, real scenarios, really helped me
I have a Mojave Gladiator that cannot barely pull itself around.
Thank you for the info !!
To do a REAL real-world test, you'd have to pick a different color - that Sting Gray adds a 15-20% in all categories, so... 😁 Awesome video as always.
My best guess, is the airstream was more of a wind sail witch in a windy situation makes it worse to tow. example our 09 ram pulling a 2000 lb 5th wheel is fine, but add a wind and bam! Drifts, laggs up hills, all the fun stuff.
Yeah, that's what I see in addition to what Nate mentioned about the tongue weight and the axle location. The areo and tongue weight/axle location work together to make the truck unstable. The diesel also has less power (by 26 HP versus the gas V6, about 10% less) which should be a disadvantage pulling hills at highway speeds. Motor Trend mentioned pulling hills with the diesel Gladiator towing the Airstream was a problem.
I know everyone always says "but torque", however, torque says nothing about time, while power is force (torque is a rotational force) multiplied by speed (distance per time), so power is torque applied at speed. You can even see this in the horsepower formula: horsepower = (torque × speed)/5252. Power is torque multiple by speed. Pulling a hill with a wind sail Aerostream trailer takes power if you want to do it fast. If you slow to a crawl, then torque is dominant. Low HP engines could pull the same trailer up the same hill with the help of gearing, but it would be much, much slower.
So while it pulled the weight of the trailer and Liberty fine, the Airstream with its huge frontal area (and side area for that matter) present additional resistance the truck needs to overcome, particularly at highway speeds.
@@Fix_It_Again_Tony Lets remember that these new gas and diesel motors make more horsepower than any of the 3/4 or 1 ton diesel trucks from the 90's and even some in the 2000's that had no issues towing Airstreams. Yes, some made more torque, but you claim is that torque doesn't matter. Reality is, the Gladiator is a light pickup. Physics says that as you approach a trailer of equal weight to the towing vehicle, you need tongue weight to keep things in check. The Airstream NEEDS a weight distribution hitch due to the simple fact that it has less than 10% of its weight in tongue weight, even behind the biggest, baddest 1 ton. The Liberty towed fine because it had a forward weight bias.
@@xerointell I agree the tongue weight was too low. 10% is the rule.
Torque does matter, because torque produced at speed produces power. 200 ft lbs at 3000 rpm is 114.25 HP, at 6000 RPM that same 200 ft lbs is now 228.5 HP.
You can think of it from an energy perspective. When pulling on flat ground you only need to overcome rolling resistance and wind resistance. When pulling up a hill rolling and wind resistance don't go away, but now you also need to put energy into the vehicle and trailer as you pull up hill because you are adding potential energy to the gross vehicle mass. If you want to go faster you need to add more energy per unit time. That is literally the definition of power, "the amount of energy transferred or converted per unit time".
Torque created by the engine is converted into a pulling force at the tire, but this is not relative to time at all so it says nothing about speed. Torque in ft lbs at the wheel hub is divided by the radius of the tire in feet and becomes lbs where the tire meets the road. It is just a force. You need to have enough pulling force, obviously, but it tells you nothing about how fast you are going. This is where power comes in. As well as energy per unit time, power can also be expressed as force multiplied by velocity (or speed if you don't care about the direction). As soon as you start talking about speed everything is relative to time and now you are talking about power, not force (torque is just rotational force).
I am not saying those older diesels couldn't tow, but they towed slower than a modern engine with more power for the same trailer and GCVW. As you mentioned the Gladiator is a lot lighter than the old 3/4 and 1 ton diesel pickups, so it has that advantage from a power/potential energy up a hill standpoint (lower GCVW for the same trailer). The disadvantage, like you said, is that the mass of the trailer is about equal to or exceeding the mass of the tow vehicle. This is where the tongue weight becomes really important.
Diesels are better in some ways for towing because they produce more torque at lower RPMs so that is a huge plus, especially with a heavy trailer. However, if you are looking at towing up a hill the truck with more wheel horsepower will pull the same trailer at same GCWV faster. The fuel does not matter.
Great review Nate, it's great to hear a more grounded real world review. I do prefer to watch you building stuff instead of the reviews but think you do a good mix.
I wouldn't mind the occasional review vid like this on your channel. It would have to be for something exceptional like this Jeep. Keep the great content coming Nate!
Cool video Nate, only thing I can think of is motor trend was pulling a "enclosed" style trailer/camper where as you were not. Personally when I'm pulling my enclosed behind my Duramax, it works a lot harder then when pulling a car hauler with a jeep on it. I think the wind drag really changes things. But there results do seem extreme. Keep up the Vids!
I agree completely, I own a 2020 gas powered gladiator and pull my bass boat and my other jeeps with no probs in the mountains of South Carolina to Tennessee.
I like the way you approached your review. Well done. Wouldn't mind a few videos like this but not all the time. Fabrication is where its at!
Amazing video!! You and “the story till now” have similar videography it really shows the amount of effort and care you put in!!
Next video:
Nate: “My new diesel Jeep Gladiator”
Following video:
“1-ton swap on the diesel Gladiator”
lol
1.9 TDi swap on the diesel Gladiator
My sport S diesel already has ultimate 60s and 40s underneath it
@@mattbrew11 no one cares.
Already being done Myron.
I think pulling a travel trailer with a gladiator and no weight distributing hitch was a dumb idea and really shouldn’t have been considered. The gladiator just isn’t a big enough vehicle for that type of towing. It probably would have been fine with the right hitch set up though. I agree with you about the axle placement on the airstream as well, that doesn’t look right to me.
The temperatures run warm on a lot of new vehicles because the OEMs allow them too. I think it’s better for emissions reasons.
My Suburban would struggle with my 5400 lbs travel trailer without a weight distribution. Campers tow different then other trailers, a lot of the weight is not changeable, hence needing the weight distributing.
I tow a 4500 lbs travel trailer with an F150 rated for twice that and still use a WD hitch. It’s literal incompetence to tow a travel trailer without the proper hitch setup.
When I first read the first few lines of their article and it says "without a weight distribution hitch," I thought to myself "that was a dumb idea."
Like another guy who replied to you said, you'd want an equalizer hitch on even a 1/2 ton truck. It makes the towing more stable. Not sure why MotorTrend didn't do this, much less get a trailer with the axles slid farther back.
Agreed, MT missed the warning in the 2021 Manual: "WARNING!
If the gross trailer weight is 2,000 lbs
(907 kg) or more, it is recommended to use a
weight-distributing hitch to ensure stable
handling of your vehicle. If you use a standard
weight-carrying hitch, you could lose control
of your vehicle and cause a collision."
@@koryr1853 not just the weight but often more importantly is the wind resistance of an rv enclosed trailer compared to a flat bed trailer.
Thanks for this video. I'm subscribed for your fabrication content and am not in the market for a new truck, but I appreciated the context and real world testing. I would definitely watch more of these type of videos as long as it doesn't become your main focus.
Great video (as always) and practical review of the new Gladiator Ecodiesel. Although I prefer your fabrication and off-roading content, this is definitely valuable to viewers in the market for the next rig. Adding points such as approach angles, turning radius, and other capabilities also speaks volumes to your niche audience. We hear every word... much appreciated!
Nice 👍 real world Reviews are always good to see .
Sounds like Motor Trend needs to tow the same trailer & hitch with another comparable truck.
Thanks for the honest review and content. Been waiting for a jeep diesel truck for years and finally......planning to order one in the spring. This validates my decision.
I watch your channel about two times a month and enjoyed this content. It was a nice review and very straight forward and to the point.
Well done!
I question the validity of the Motor Trend article after watching your video. Makes we wonder why such a big difference in results.
Jeep fan boy vs. Unbiased professionals.
I love my Gladiator. Even with the 37’s and 4.10 gears I don’t feel under powered compared to my JKU with 4.88s. The main reason I didn’t get the diesel was cost. I really wanted it but they gave me such a deal on my 2020 Rubicon it didn’t make sense. The difference for a comparably optioned truck was around $11k. That being said I have 0 regrets getting the gladiator. It’s plenty big for my handyman business and if I need to Cary more equipment or materials I have 2 different sized cargo trailers. As usual another great video
I got to drive John's Gladiator with a camper trailer (weighing approximately 3500lbs) on NM N HWY 14. It is a very steep road, but the Gladiator pulled easily and without any drama. Congratulations on your truck, John. Thanks for featuring it, Nate. It was ALL strong...
Thank you 👍
Awesome video man! You're content is always so well put together and always highly informational 🙌🙌
I'm an old school type of guy. I've always wanted a "jeep". In my head, when I hear people talking about a jeep, I picture a CJ or wrangler. I know I need to get over that. Lol. I enjoy all your videos and content. My 93 YJ is always a work in progress. I have a limited budget to work with. Just keep doing what you're doing.
Thank you!
I agree. I think a "jeep" has two doors and a soft top. But these new Jeeps are very capable and many ways better then the older versions that many of us own. It just depends on what your needs are. The cj and the gladiator are very different tools and both are great for the Job in which they are intended. 👍
@@DirtLifestyle yes. And I see them as tools too. But I see more and more soccer moms driving around when no clue why other jeep owners wave as they drive by and no clue what the " JEEP LIFE" even means. Lol
@@tdck6186 A coworker said it best when one of the bosses bought a Rubicon and we absolutely knew he would never take it off road. He said these guys buy them new and baby them so guys like us can afford to buy them used and use them like they should be used.
Towing in the standard gas rubicon gladiator is suprisingly well too!
I'm here for the how-to stuff, but honestly I enjoyed hearing your review/opinion on this.
This guy's really out here using sliders and multiple angles on a jeep video. Love it!
I still got my fingers crossed that they release the two door 🤙
Same. Only jeep I want.
@@usdohs I agree!! I've been saying that for a while also.
H1 XLC2. Diesel. Two Door. Truck. Bam.
Didnt Jeep say they cant??
@@betweenthepines4000 they easily could, but they said they won't because 2 door trucks aren't as popular. i'd buy a j6 if they started making them
Although not a Jeep person ( LR Disco II) I found this to be very informative from a real user perspective. Having a total opposite experience with your drive, I feel that potential owners should seek out reviews such as yours before laying down almost $70k, especially for a niche vehicle.
I appreciate this type of video as well as your regulars. All your content is great!! I’m still in the market for a gladiator. Some day. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for doing a video on this new Diesel Gladiator Nate. I really appreciate your perspective on this vehicle as I know you've got a long history with owning Jeeps and towing.
Love the comparison to the 7.3 Powerstroke too lol. Almost the same power and I have one as an all-rounder type truck (plowing snow, light off road use, towing, and hauling).
I really enjoy your fabrication videos, but this was a nice break to hear your thoughts and you've got a good eye for pictures/videos.
Thank you! I enjoyed making it 👍
Nate, I had read the article that you mentioned and immediately the same points that you mentioned jumped out at me. Obviously the trailer was not properly prepared for the haul, when it wonder like they say the weight distribution is the culprit. Improper weight distribution would affect even the perfect towing vehicle, a 3,500, a dually, heck a semi. As for power, 443lb-ft with diésel vs 260lb-ft immediately makes you go hmmm. Throughout the history of magazines, there have been some damaging articles that tried and even successful tainted the image and sales of many vehicles such as Corvair, Ford Pinto, Suzuki Samurai, Mitsubishi Montero just to name a few and at the end proved to be biased articles. I love my Gladiator Rubicon (gas) it does everything I need perfectly and if I need more I would get the vehicle to fulfill that need. GREAT VIDEO!!! Subscribing, Hell Yeah!!!
Thanks! Happy to have you aboard!
Well done Nate! Great video, diesel reviews and info are always great!
Your video here has helped me confirm that I want to get an Eco Rubi Glad, thank you for a real and honest review.
Fast forward 4 months Nate buys an Eco Diesel Gladiator, rips off bed, fabs a piggyback flatbed for the TJ 🤞🤞🤞
That would be fun lol
I agree with your review, great video! I have a 2020 Jeep Gladiator (gas) and tow my 06’ LJ on a 10k trailer. I go to Walker Valley here in WA and it does great on backroads and freeway. I even run 37’s with 5:13 gears and a 3.5” lift. I’m sure the diesel is even better.
So glad you mad this video. They made the gladiator so long it would wanna hope it can tow alright haha. Good to see someone with a lot of towing experience do a real world towing test. Love this channel. Cheers
Good video. It's weird seeing my stomping grounds on the you tubes. That hill on I-5 comin off the flats is a good one for sure.
One of the best reviews I've seen !
Thank you!
This is why I enjoy your channel so much, your opinions are viable in many ways. I don't think Motor Trend did a good job on their review and it wasn't in Colorado, I believe it was in Eastern California. I also have a Gladiator, but not a diesel, I couldn't wait till they were offered because of the great deal I was offered to sell my Ford Raptor. The Gladiator does offroad really well and it is super in snow, I live in Colorado, and have had tons of fun with it and my jl. Thanks again for a great video!
you absolutely nailed the issue with the motor trend article. they had that IMPROPERLY loaded to be pulling it down a highway. I've been pulling trailers ever since I had my learners permit at 15, and an improperly loaded/balanced trailer will pull like garbage behind ANYTHING. including big ol 1 ton trucks. load it wrong, it'll handle wrong... all day.
Thanks for the analysis! I have been looking at a Gladiator diesel to tow my small trailer and this video cemented the deal. My 3000lb trailer will be just fine behind it!
I would rather spend money to overbuild a project. Monthly payments would be too high for something your probably going to want to mod anyway. Save your money and buy a welder. Lol
That’s advice to live by
All great points ! And given from someone with legit towing experience. The guys at motortrend although experienced they are journalists. So if all they do is drive a vehicle once and then write a story , how accurate is it . A one time deal with not all the data given sounds to biased for me to take it seriously. Great video and review of the gladiator, can’t wait to see more.
Thank you brother 👊. I agree, more data is needed before you can say a truck like this is "scary" to tow with
@@DirtLifestyle I did notice at the end of the towing section they recommended getting a weight distribution hitch for towing with the Gladiator. I would ALWAYS recommend getting one for a travel trailer. As you stated, they can be difficult to load (weight balance) and they catch the wind like a sail.
I’m glad you did this video. I have a 2020 Gladiator with the gas engine and was wondering how much better the diesel would be for my needs.I plan to tow a 2,700lb car to the track and do some overlanding with the family. I really like your overlanding videos, in addition to your build videos. Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
Another great video as usual. I do enjoy these types of things, but what I come back for are the fabrication videos. Your channel is by far the best I’ve found.
Thank you!
You have to have the majority of the weight in front of the trailers axles!!! MT got it wrong, what THEY did was dangerous. I saw a guy load a bobcat on a trailer with the counter weight behind the trailers axle. He had no idea what was wrong when I spoke to him a few miles down the road. I helped him un load the bobcat and back it on the trailer and he was good to go.
Yes let's see more of these types of videos!
I have the gas powered automatic gladiator rubicon with a 2 inch mopar lift running 35 inch bfg ko2s in central Alaska. I am pleasantly surprised by the effectiveness of the tires in the snow. I just installed the warn 12000 winch and tested it by pulling large spruce logs out of the forest for firewood. This is a daily driver/working truck.
Thank you so much for the clarification on this. I read that article when it came out and honestly I never considered a Gladiator again until now. Great insights!
That airstream is a big trailer with ALOT of surface area, grabs allllll the wind and has a lot of drag. Also weight distribution. It probably needs a sway bar. The truck isn’t meant to pull trailers obviously but it’s made to be able to pull a small trailer here and there.
Sounds like motor trend needs more practice towing. I agree to much wait to far back on the airstream
Motor Trend isn't Truck Trend. Maybe the wrong reviewers were on the job for this one.
For the safety of the traveling public, this Motor Trend group doesn't need towing experience, they need not tow period. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
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I can tell ya right now your are absolutely correct on the axle placement of a trailer effecting the stability of the tow vehicle.
I pulled my in laws 30' bumper pull travel trailer with my crew cab long bed f350. It had its axles near the center and man was it a nightmare to pull even with my 1 ton truck.
Plenty of experience towing and it just didn't have enough tongue weight to keep the wind or vehicle wash from effecting it(mainly semis when they passed in the same direction).
Hated it, never have i had a trailer before or since give me such a fight.
Hey Nate I enjoyed the review! I also enjoy all your fabrication videos!
Still debating on the gas or diesel and I think I’ve made up my mind after this video. Thx for the review.
The diesel is a $4500 option. Seems steep but a turbo for the gas engine is more expensive and thirsty. I kinda wished I waited for the diesel but the gas version still does a great job with 35's on my Rubicon. The diesel is impressive with the stock 3.73 gears on the Rubicon!
@@chuckw6099 it’s $3800 on the gladiators and the dealer I ordered mine from gave me 15% off retail so more like $3200
Nate. I've not been able to drive the Gladiator Diesel but I can say the JLU Diesel is spot on the way a jeep should have been from the factory, all along. My $.02 Great vid, keep up the great work;
I enjoy anything you put out, always good content. Thanks for your efforts.
Thank you for the positive comment 👍 I'm lucky to have you as a subscriber
You’re spot on! The weight distribution of your trailer can make or break the performance of the tow vehicle. Excellent job presenting the facts.
I like how you mentioned that it sounds similar to the 7.3 and then later in the video it has very close to the same hp and tq... 7.3 had 250 hp 500 tq and you would expect that a 7.3 would tow that liberty without breaking a sweat in a much heavier truck .... I wasn’t expecting the eco diesel to make that kind of power
I agree! very impressive numbers out of a 3.0 liter! Newer fuel injection and turbo technology has really changed the game
I think a lot of folks misunderstand the Gladiator, its less of a P/U "truck" and more of a Jeep with the utility of a P/U bed. Sure they upgraded the frame and rear suspension to give it increased capacities/capabilities, but I think it better serves those wanting a JLU with more cargo space.
This.
I have a vintage 1948 Willys CJ2A that was stretched 24" at the dealership when it was new. The extended wheelbase is the _only_ way to pack four people out for a week of camping without needing a second vehicle or a trailer.
Great video Nate! As far as content: You do you, and we the consumers will enjoy whatever it is you put awn!
Thank you!
Man that takes me back seeing all the old roads and scenery. I used to tow our boat from Kirkland to Anacortes or Bellingham every weekend, with a Disco 1 .
Great video! Now to find a loaner Airstream for part 2.
Lol I'm in!
I'll watch it!
Nate I would agree with you motor trend must not have had the trailer they was pulling set up right. Probably to much weight in the back of the trailer, who knows.
I towed a camper trailer that is about 4500 lbs with my gas Gladiator Mojave from Phoenix AZ to NE Oklahoma (@ 1.5hrs from Tulsa) and back with zero issue. I drove 65+ on the highway, did a mix of 2 lane backroads and stop n go in town as you did here. So I fully support your experience even without a diesel. If I could have gotten a Mojave diesel or 392 I would have, but honestly this Mojave does everything I want to do.
Thank for great videos Nate.
Nice change from the Tire Carrier video series. LOL
I enjoy the builds best of all. You hand out some really good tips.