i really hope you cover the new Rocket Knight Adventures Re-sparked at some point!! when i heard that announcement you were the first person i thought of. it's going to be sold physically on limited run games if u want a physical copy. i want to know what you think!
Can we appreciate how cool and yet also hilarious it is to see him playing Sonic 2 + Sonic & Knuckles on a Sega Nomad? Imagine taking that setup on a road trip.
@@RetroBirdGaming *More Overrated Games That Actually Aren’t* • Donkey Kong Country (series) • Super Mario Bros Wonder • Sonic 3 & Knuckles • 2D Super Mario series (Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario All-Stars, Super Mario Advance 1-4, Super Mario World 1 & 2, hacks of the original SMW with custom music and custom endings, and yes, even Super Mario Bros. Wonder, no matter what the Game of the Year awards and its supporters that didn’t make it win say. I love Baldur’s Gate 3, but it’s not the only best game of last year!) • Pac-Man World (series) • pre-2010s Final Fantasy games • Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 (Dreamcast) • 2000s Mario RPGs • Mega Man (franchise; re: classic series, Mega Man X1-X4, Zero, Battle Network/StarForce) • Pokémon (2000s - mid-2010s generations) The list goes on, anyone can let me know if I’m missing anything, because I might just be missing a lot of things.
Chrono Trigger Super Metroid Dragonquest VIII Mortal Kombat Dragonquest 1 Doom Resident Evil 1-3 Halo 1-3 Mega Man Legends Fallout Banjo Kazooie Super Smash Bros Final Fantasy Tactics Legend of Dragoon Metroid Prime StarTropics Link's Awakening Secret of Mana Final Fantasy 4 Diddy Kong Racing
The depth behind the pronunciation of ocarina joke was not lost by me. So funny. Fun watching your channel grow over the years now. Keep up the good work, like a banana farmer umm…see I just can’t come up with puns like you can!
Never played Earthbound till the SNES classic came out. Wow, what an awesome game. Never also played Zelda Ocarina of Time till it came out on the Switch rental service 😋. I lived through both of these periods in gaming and I can say, I missed out but thankfully through these options I was able to play what I had previously missed. The best part though about "missing out" is that I now have a back catalog so massive I can very thankfully concentrate purely on retro games. So many of the games of today simply bore me and are lacking in creativity. IMHO, it's a money grab today vs. creating fun and interesting titles.
Three great games as far as I'm concerned! I definitely thought about this channel when I saw the Rocket Knight collection. The original Genesis game is great and I'm very curious about the other two, which I've hardly ever seen mentioned anywhere (even here!).
When I see Earthbound, I don't think over rated. I do think over-priced. Big time. It's not that rare, it was included on the SNES classic mini, and can be played on the switch if you have the subscription to the SNES games. Still, it ends up going for $400 or $500 dollars (Canadian) in my local area. Makes no sense to me at all.
Overrated I always felt like was a term that's used for essentially anything very popular. Chrono Trigger, FF7 and games like that. The term doesn't seem to mean what it used to like when people say a game is underrated and then talk about a game that's wildly known like Star Fox or something.
If you were born around 1980 like me and grew up adoring the NES and SNES, when you hit high school and the Nintendo 64 came out, it was absolutely indescribable. For those of us who were kids or young adults at the time, the jump from 2D to 3D was incredible. Ocarina of Time Is a game that hasn't aged well, at least on the Nintendo 64, exactly like most games from that era during the first dedicated and consistent venture into polygons and 3-D. I think some folks think it's overrated just because of how poorly that generation of consoles has aged. However, for those of us alive to experience that at the time, it was absolutely mesmerizing. Ocarina of time is in my top three games of all time. Lost count of how many times I've completed it. Thanks for getting that some special attention and defending it. Also, Earthbound is one of my most special and memorable gaming experiences as an adult. Great list 😎
I think the issue with Ocarina of Time is how big and empty the worlds are and the dungeons can be barebones compared to other Zelda games that did it far better for how creative and challenging it was. I will always appreciated OoT for it's revolutionary and other standouts. But I'll be lying if I say it's the best Zelda game or even the best video game ever made.
The word "Overrated" has kinda lost its meaning over the years It used to mean that something was "loved too much" but still good but now people use it as an alternative for "I hate this" I'M probably going to get doxxed by Pokemon fans but Pokemon Black and White are a little bit overrated. People treat Pokemon Black and White like flawless Masterpieces when they do have flaws, the flaws being them being too short, uncreative Pokemon, lack of memorable overworld themes (YES I'M AWARE DRIFTVEIL CITY EXISTS) Its still a good game but people treat it like the mona lisa and now hate on other Pokemon games that aren't Gen 5 Genfivers are now hating on Gen 2, while it does have some problems, Genfivers treat it like its Hotel Maro, I really hope they don't hate on Gen 3 next The Pokemon games I personally enjoyed the most are Emerald, Platinum and PMD Explorers of Sky
Gen V never spoke to me the way it did for other people. I respect the games, but for some reason when I think of the games all I can remember is when the Team Plasma guys stole Musharna like an hour or two in. I think the games I get most excited about are definitely RBG and GSC, (even though I'm a Sinnohbaby) they just have a really specific flavor to them and a lot of the dev's various personalities and obsessions shine through.
Pokemon BW are fair rated in a messed up sort of way. They have lovers and haters in equal measure and both sides are wierdly justified. Personally, I think B2 and W2 are the best single games in the series as a single player experience but gen 5 is really weak as a whole. Despite ruby and sapphire being my least favorite of the 2D games, gen 3 is my favorite because of just how rich the gba/gamecube pokemon ecosystem is. The console spinoffs are even their own adventure and you get 2 of them! Pokemon Stadium and battle revolution pale in comparison and gen 5 forward basically got nothing.
Back when gen V released so many people hated it(Im a gen wunner but at that time it was a close third favorite behind the original and gold) I actively hate diamond and pearl (never played platinum). The story, characters, bad guys, no fire types all made it suck IMHO. But the older you get, and the more experienced you become you learn how truly varied opinions are. You'll hear every stance possible all within the same community. It's odd😂
I love the Zelda series, but I never liked Ocarina of Time, even when it first came out. I've tried repeatedly to get into this game, but I can't get into it. I know that is just my opinion, but the thing that gets me riled up about the game is people constantly treating this like it launched the Zelda series or the blueprint for how a Zelda game is supposed to be, like the six Zelda games before it came out don't exist.
To be fair, OoT practically was the blueprint for every Zelda game that came out up until BoTW. And you only had 3 main console Zelda games before Oot with Zelda 2 being a different type of game that wasn't well received. OoT was the natural progression and put the Zelda series in the realm of "Must play games" in a lot of people's eyes.
It makes me so happy that you mentioned Earrhbound! Back then it didn't get the love and attention it deserved and today i feel like there are more fans of the series, but it is still an umknown. If that makes an sense! Great video, and keep up the great work!
Earthbound is hilarious to me. I played it a couple years ago and i was laughing my ass off at almost every line of dialogue, even in battles! Thats definitely what carried it for me
I'd say that most of the "overrated" games that I've played (including OoT and Sonic 2) are actually very worthy of their positive reputations. And to be clear, it's not just nostalgia: I've picked up all kinds of games a decade or two after they released, and I can still appreciate their quality, despite not growing up with them. That said, there are definitely a few that I found mediocre (you could say "overrated"!), though even those all have redeeming qualities in their presentation.
Yeah, the nostalgia defense is not really very applicable considering that many games just last long enough where a huge portion of the fans are newer. I think the key example is Castlevania as I think that most the people who care about Castlevania are either very experienced with gaming, or are mostly new fans. So when people call it overrated due to nostalgia because there is stiff jumps, I find that a poor critique because most of the people who are playing it aren't really nostalgia based.
Hate to say it. But I do think it is nostalgia that's the reason you love these games. I mean. There the most popular games after all and if u ask me what video game is the best, alot of people will tell you it's Ocarina of Time or Sonic 2.
@@jaretco6423 There are all kinds of games that I didn't grow up with- Goldeneye and Perfect Dark being great examples- that I still enjoyed and would still rank among my all-time favourites. Many would say that those games have aged terribly, and that their popularity is only fuelled by nostalgia, but I had no nostalgia for them when I picked them up a decade late, around the age of 20. And it's not the popularity that's swaying me, either, as there are similarly popular, beloved games that I do think are overrated.
@3dmarth Depends on the type of nostalgia. Sometimes it's good. Other times it might not be. But Ocarina of Time has been nominated as the best game ever; if not top 3 in many reviews. IGN, GameSpot, Nintendo reviews, any of them. From what I've seen, Ocarina of Time has been in the top property game that any reviews put it in.
@@jaretco6423 If I'm following correctly, you think that people are biased because of OoT's extreme popularity, and are basically obligated to think/say it's the best? There's definitely some truth to that, but it's not the whole story. For one, it has gotten a lot of (over?)exposure in Nintendo circles, so it's likely to get mentioned a lot as a favourite. I've noticed that people of different ages and regions will have different gaming tastes, broadly speaking, and some groups are not very Nintendo-centric at all! I also believe there are strong reasons for OoT's popularity, based on its merits alone. It's a very cleverly-designed adventure, and it has a certain atmosphere and "feel" that most later games in the series haven't been able to match.
Ooo, Earthbound, one of my favorite RPGs! I love it. And I'd be the first to acknowledge its flaws and why other people might not like it. If I were a hacker/programmer with the ability to easily modify code in such a way, I would love to: * Move key items to their own inventory * Say thank you for the attempt at the condiment system for being ambitious but it belongs in a game with less restrictive inventory * Make it easier to sell or drop multiple items * Make equipped items not take up inventory space So mostly my biggest hangup with the game is having to stop having fun so much and be forced to play inventory management quite frequently. Also I'd like to just not give a response when you check/talk in a position that has nothing to provide, as personally I think this discourages players from looking for secrets.
I have to say, the inventory management in that game could seem quite daunting at times and even annoying. Those are some good ideas. Also, that floating photographer really got on my nerves sometimes, but strangely, at other times, I kind of enjoyed the interruption.
clicked the vid and was skeptical to say least with huge influx of retro creators these days but I'm literally one minute in and love the format and script , very interesting as I've commented maybe 5 months ago on another vid and i never comment , your face maybe back ground or how you look I Dunno seems to normal or neutral if you want constructive criticism grow a beard or have a funky hair cut or color i Dunno my 2 cents still only at 1 min lol- 5 mins in and loved the banana window joke with double entendre , took 10 seconds before i got it , i like your perspective and found myself agreeing to the point i knew there was an option c and hoped it was what you wrote , 7 mins now , just writing this because i think your a top tier creator with low count subs but if you continue the hard work youll be at a mill within a year now im at the end ive laughed twice real hard love your perspective just sad it wasn't longer .... but that's what she said keep up the good work
One of my daily internet pet peeves is the egregious misuse of "Under and Overrated" these days. People just use it for their selfish opinions instead of understanding why something is rated the way it is to begin with. It's okay to not like something but understand why so many do (and vice versa). We really need to normalize the Unbiased Opinion. Great video though.
I remember getting a Gamepro magazine with the scratch and sniff card for Earthbound while I was on a road trip to our family vacation. Never played the game till way later but that has always stuck with me.
I did that recently with SNES. It's kind of a wonderful feeling to experience the things you missed. I played a few SNES games as a kid, but getting to really explore the library now is awesome.
There are lots of factors that contribute to a rating that would be the most repeated opinion of a game. Sometimes the market feels tired of a genre. Or sometimes a game does something new that captures peoples imaginations. Over time, popular opinion can be reassessed and a game might be considered worse or better with hindsight. A publisher might pay money to publications for favourable reviews. When it comes to legacy games, what is popular is more likely to be the taste of a select few individuals who direct publications, known as editors. Editors have the ultimate say in what get published and read by a mass audience and will employ people who's opinions they approve of. So it's quite easy for any game to be forgotten unfairly or praised without deserving it. When it comes to the best games, I'm miles away from the major publications and popular internet commentators. Here's why rating games matters. It's a matter of social engineering. What is pushed upon you might not always stick. But when your opinions are being swayed for any kind of nefarious reason such as bribes or affiliation and a desire to please powerful people, a problem arises. Is the art form of a game being lost to a desired shape of the industry that is not tailored to fun but has been compromised in the name of profit. The best way to make money is to sell many copies of the exact same game as the cost of delivery is basically nothing. So one way to do that is market one game tirelessly. All outlets, youtubers and streamers, blanket coverage. For like 10 years. The marketing is more effective in generating money than the cost of developing a new ip. So the same games and sequels of games dominate the charts. All the money is spent on very similar types of games. Don't be naïve and thing you are making informed choices independently. Because that's not the case. You are gathering information which is largely opinion posing as fact. If you need to learn to love a game then I'm not sue what you're doing that you're so determined to like something you have been told so many times is good that in order to feel normal you have to spend 80 hours of time learning to like something you wouldn't have otherwise. Games these days are very samey in terms of theme, genre and gameplay style. So the medium of entertainment is somewhat dictated by manufactured opinion such as the concept of the Metroidvania or Roguelike which are genres that spawned a thousand clones in the name of originality and authenticity. When a game can be anything and all the top 10 are games designed over 20 years ago I feel that it's important to be beave enough to support your opinion publicly just for the public record to state your taste lest you become at the yolk of popular opinion which amounts the a handful of editors and directors.
I really hate how it has become so common to hate on OoT. That game is an absolute classic and really sucked me in when I got it at a 9 year old kid. It still holds up well to this day!
I believe that this resistance about OoT comes from the fact that most fans of this game acts as if consensus makes a game better. Forget for a second about your personal taste of what you believe that makes a good game. Now imagine yourself trying to convince a lad that is fan of something diametrical opposite of OoT (but that still a great game on it's genre)... as example, a fan of Championship Manager (a series that had a release at the same year of OoT) that Zelda is a better game. Or you both will agree that the other game "is a good game that you dislike" or at least one of you will like both (as I do... but liked CM most back in the days... nowadays I would choose OoT with not much enthusiasm... just saying for reference). And that is it! As OoT fans tend to be way more loud about their taste than Championship Manager players do, then this is the reason I believe that it have more hate. PS: And don't we forget that joking and trollcraft can be very fun on a number of ocasions. Cheers!
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who hates it? i never see this being expressed - thank god!
I feel that a lot of the hate comes from people who weren't even alive during that era of gaming. It's easy to compare it to more modern 3d games and say "Why did people think this was good?", when back during those days we didn't really have any other game like it.
I can confirm that I didn't grew up with OoT. I played when it was remade on 3DS and I thought it was fine. Not bad. But not amazing either. The issue I have with OoT is how big and empty the world of Hyrule were, the dungeons were average at best; but not very unique or challenging that it could've been, the bosses are easy, the story is generic at best and the music doesn't grab me as many people do. I will always respect it for how impactful and revolutionary the game is. But best Zelda game or best game in general? No. I think there are better games than OoT.
I hate the word overrated. Some people even say crimally overrated. I also think immediately, overrated by whom? Can't you rate something however you like?
First time viewer. Just wanted to say that I noticed the attention to detail in your shots and framing. Everything is so prestine and well taken care of. The shots of gameplay on the hand-helds are steady so that it's easy to view and the boxes/consoles in the background are a nice touch. Same thing with the dark room and playing on a CRT TV. Wish I was more articulate when it comes to praising things like this. My main point is that it has not gone unnoticed. Screw it! While we're at it, the sound mixing was also great. Didn't have to adjust my volume throughout the whole video.
Thank you for that! Those are all things that take a lot of time being meticulous to get right (or as close to right as I can). The sound mixing in particular nearly gave me a nervous breakdown the way I would fret over it. Anyhow, thank you and welcome to the channel!
I don't tend to like when someone says a game is overrated. Like you said that means people shouldn't like something because you feel differently, and that's kind of silly. Great video as always!
Ocarina of time is the only game I ever pre-ordered. I still remember going down to my local game store in the mall to get the collectors edition with prima magazine!
Thank you for taking me down Memory Lane!! I will briefly mention just one game you talked about, Earthbound. I love how even though it’s so different from other RPGs it still WORKS, offers so much comedy, and gives an experience that is totally unique and yet isn’t too abstract (most of the time😅) I love how the stores and shops are portrayed like a totally wonderful place(smile, smile ), you call your parents to save your game or when Ness is simply feeling homesick, and let’s not forget: COFFEE BREAK, with its musical serenity and encouraging message halfway through the game.😊
I appreciate the "whatever floats your boat" sentiment. I have friends who have teased me over the years calling me a hipster who hates everything mainstream and only likes offbeat stuff just because I don't like Ocarina of Time and others, but honestly, most of my personal top ten would be super mainstream... Marios, Metroids, Castlevanias, a Final Fantasy, Earthbound... I just appreciate games that do something different quite a bit as well. Popular games are, as stated in the video, highly regarded for a reason. I like Mario 64 because it really just is fun. I don't like Halo or Fortnite, but I don't begrudge anyone for enjoying them. I don't like Ocarina of Time at all. Zelda became something different starting with that game, and it wasn't for me anymore, even if the prior games were some of my all-time favorites. It doesn't mean it's bad, but it's okay not to like it, too. I do think some of the pushback against some of these games comes from people treating it like you're somehow stupid if you don't like them. It makes you want to trash those games, whereas you'd probably just agree to disagree otherwise.
This is probably the first time I've seen someone use the phrase "Zelda became something different and it wasn't for me" in reference to OOt, and not Botw. This sentiment has been so prevalent in discussions of botw that I had forgotten that OOT did the exact same thing, just instead of linear to open, it was 2d to 3d. I think it kinda demonstrates a certain lack of perspective sectors of the Zelda community have developed. But you're spot on about people treating you like you're stupid if you don't like certain games. It's very hard not to hate something, if people actively insult your intelligence for just not liking it. A Zelda channel ran a poll ranking Zelda games, and TOTK won over OOt, and the comments were just full of people claiming anyone who preferred Totk was a "stupid child with recency bias who had probably never played oot".
It's hard to explain the impact of OoT to Zelda fans during the time it originally launched. 3d games were far from their "stride". Emoraptor sentiment and the ilk have good points and the Zelda feel was reinvented but it was unmistakably Zelda. Zelda 1 my favorite btw but OoT captured my imagination with far less need to do so in some crazy way. Imo... the best Zelda song is The Original Hyrule Castle on snes. My first Zelda game. From the uneasy panic of the rain to lit Halls of the Castle. THE song is so powerful even if the entry dungeon doesn't live up to it. It's like going from enter the eternal fire to equimanthorn on my bathory Playlist. God bless u God bless Zelda God bless that bird God I love talking Zelda memories
Look I grew up with oot I can tell you I like botw and totk more than oot because I played oot and remember really hating it I replayed it recently because I have it for GameCube and still hate it. Honestly it a bad game mechanically, story was ok and gameplay was bad but I still like majora mask which puzzles me but hey “what ever floats your boat they say”. Honestly I gald some ppl are speaking out on oot because I thought I was alone in hating it. That an final fantasy series as well but love jrpgs I don’t know what people see in final fantasy but I grew up with chrono trigger so I still think I am spoiled.
'These people' are emboldened by countless articles singing the praises of OoT. Naming it as a touchpoint in the industry. Very florid language used and very hyperbolic. It's goes with the territory of writing copy. People tend to exaggerate to just make things sound more exciting to the reader. So Ocarina of Time is officially the best game ever made. I did some research into the top ten games a couple of years ago and OoT and Mario 64 were consistently in the top 2 but OoT killed it by miles. So people are going to assume what they read has some truth in it and feel confident in repeating an opinion they already read. Then feel good in a chat room agreeing with other people and just waxing lyrical about how much they like things. So it can be a shock when someone says they don't like something because they've not heard that opinion before. It's part of media that messages become simplified and condensed for the sake of shorthand. There are alot of tastes but games get money spent on them when they sell and what sells it what people can agree on that is good. So tastes are being directed all the time to favour one party or another based on influence and brand loyalty.
@@MaxM210yeah tbh that’s how I feel about BOTW. The weapon degradation and lack of returning magic items was a major turn off. I got the collectors edition and was so hyped….never made it off the plateau 😅
When I say something is overrated, I don't necessarily say it's a bad, or I don't like it. Just that I don't think it is as highly rated as it is. I think Super Mario Bros. 3 is a little overrated. It's an amazing game, definitely top 10 NES of all time. But I don't think it is clearly #1 of all NES games.
Super Mario 3 is very good. I like Super Mario 2 a whole lot better. Just because you can play as 4 different characters each having their own abilities.
As a huge Sonic fan not sure how Sonic Mania passed my radar for the Switch! Thanks for the Bird Seeds to that gem or shall I say Rings? Ha-Ha! Actually I'm amazed how many 2D games are out there for systems out now, which is why this passed my Retro Radar! When I play my 2D games I lose track of time & then reality hits & I'm like: Where am I? What year is it? Is the Rock President? What? There's more 2D Sonic than Sonic Superstars? Woo, I love being a Turtle! I mean Hedgehog!
I was just talking to my Dad about this. It's great that my Dad is an old school gamer. He was born in 58 and now that he has retired he has been asking me about how to go about getting back into retro. During this talk it came up that when I was a kid he just never liked Sonic. It was just one of those things that didn't stick for him. I loved it as it was doing something that back then felt very different from Mario and other platformers. My pops loves Mario but no matter how hard I tried I just couldn't get him to love that blue hedgehog
this video somehow mentions all 3 major category of games for me sonic 2, which i love ocarina of time, which im just kinda indifferent towards and earthbound, which i absolutely cannot stand ig it just shows how different opinions can be.
The term "overrated" is overrated. I think a lot of the use of the term comes down to changing expectations. I saw it rather clearly with Mario Odyssey. There was the people who played it at launch (like me), where coming off of SM3DW it blew them away. They all talked it up, and then then there was a second wave of players hearing that buzz and giving it a try and all of a sudden "It's no masterpiece". Then a 3rd wave sees people putting it down and give it a go after hearing that and go "well hold on, it's still really great." I've also seen this happen with Beatles albums, the one seen as the general 'best' seems to fluctuate over the years as whenever one is decided and sits at the top to long people get to used to it and start to change sentiments from "Well Sgt. Pepper is not that good.... look at Revolver" OoT I was on the other side of, where after hearing how it was "The greatest game of all time" for like 15 years before I finally gave it a go, well nothing can live up to that let alone a game on the N64 lol. I was not too impressed after initially playing it. Also really popular and influential works tend to get woven into the fabric of the medium itself, and what was once fresh and unexpected seems less so when everything after was copying it lol.
A good rule of thumb: if the game was made pre-2006 and is "overrated" according to someone born in the 2000s, it is quite likely 100% worth its praise and nothing like you've played in the recent years either. 1995-2005 was truly the Golden Era of video games.
That's a good point. More generally, you know your tastes, so you can disregard certain criticisms that are typically non-issues for you. I also find that many of my all-time favourites are from around 2000, plus/minus a few years, and can safely disregard any concerns about a game aging poorly, as long as it's from the mid-90s or later, anyway.
To your point about how Zelda fans compare 3d to 2d entries in the series there's one thing I remember from Gmanlives channel about the comparisons that rose between the original Quake and Quake 2 which, despite their names were quite different games. Sure you can prefer one over the other and maybe it made sense to compare them when the latter was released but it was over 25 years ago. But right now you can play and enjoy both for what they are so maybe just do that. So anyway, just found your channel yesterday and I'm really enjoying the handful of videos I just watched, it's goofy and humorous while some very real topics are being adressed. I found your backlog video to ring especially true to me and it was quite insightful.
Part of it surely comes from the frustration of knowing underappreciated games. For example, Panzer Dragoon Saga is magnificent, but hardly anyone has played it. So if you try to bring Final Fantasy 7 down a peg, it's a bit like correcting the injustice of it getting so much more love than a game that you know deserved it every bit as much.
"Overrated" is almost always used by people who aren't intelligent enough to realize their opinions are subjective, not factual. "Underrated", on the other hand, is something that can easily exist because of misunderstand, biases, and simple non-exposure/not giving it a proper chance. That said, I really like Earthbound and Sonic 2, but Ocarina of Time didn't land for me, I loved the original Zelda games, but Ocarina of Time (as well as Celda, TP, and Skyward Sword) didn't really land for me. If I had to nail it down what I didn't like about it, it was the dungeons/temples--they simply aren't fun for me. Breath of the Wild, Link to the Past, Legend of Zelda, and even Adventure of Link I had few to no problems with, usually enjoyed them in those games. But when it came to Ocarina of Time and the Ocarina of Time clones, I couldn't stand them - probably because they were somehow both painfully easy (in terms of combat/puzzles) and yet frustrating when it came to trying to figure out where you were supposed to actually go, what the next (mandatory) step was to do to proceed with the game, and where the key/switch was in these giant 37 room labyrinths. I also think pacing was a big problem, Breath of the Wild and Link to the Past, rarely spent more than 15 minutes in a dungeon/shrine/cave/temple, but in Ocarina of Time style games it could be hours... hours where 90%+ of the time was wandering/re-wandering the labyrinth looking for that key in a haystack. I was blown away by Breath of the Wild. That was the game I dreamed Zelda 64 was supposed to be in the hype train leading up to it: a massive overworld to explore, many towns/villages to visit, and staring over Hyrule from up high on death mountain. Plus it was all very open, if there was a part that I got stuck at, I could always go somewhere else instead, and either come back to it later or forget about it completely; Ocarina of Time-type games, getting stuck could mean you're effectively done the game... you can get a walkthrough and go through the game, but then it's a chore instead of a game.
To quote the irreverent Michael Caine, “some people want to watch the world burn.” No matter how good, good for them or benefits everyone, they will hate for the sake of hate.
2:31 Not to mention Ocarina was also the first fully 3D Zelda game (which only enlarged the target) because at the time the every-game-must-now-be-3D was in full effect and while most gamers were excited for this new frontier there were still a fair share of skeptics (understandably so *cough- Castlevania64 *cough*) but credit where credits due it did go on to change the video game landscape forever and that is enough to garner the praise it deserves (even though I’m a Link to the Past til death kinda guy) Great video and 2:13 great segue btw lol
Dude… and you’re underrated at comedy. The banana counters not watching you and finally scratching the sniffcards in your deathbed were hilarious lmao 😅
While I agree that there's no need to go out of the way to tell someone something they enjoy is bad, I would say that it's important to consider that "overrated" doesn't mean "bad." A person can rate a game an 8/10 but still consider it overrated if most people consider it 10/10. On that same note, I also think that someone calling something "overrated" by definition means that they disagree with the *majority view* of that thing, not just with any individual view. In other words, if someone says a game is overrated, it doesn't mean they think any given individual is wrong for liking it - it means that they think the majority view of the game is more favorable than it deserves, even if they still think the game deserves a favorable rating. So for instance, I think OoT is overrated, but I don't think it's *bad*. On the contrary, it's an excellent game that belongs somewhere on most top 100 lists. I just don't think it should be in the conversation for best game of all time - an opinion which is very much an outlier.
I'm glad you wrote this, because I went through the exact same thought process while making this video. However, while saying something is overrated could mean you disagree with the majority view, you're still saying that you think you're right and all those people are wrong. You have it rated correctly while all of them have it wrong. I get what you're saying though. There's an earnestness in saying you just don't quite think a game is quite as good as others do. Either way, I've found that when people say a game is overrated they often don't use that word because they only slightly disagree (they usually really disagree). Still, I think it's a fair point of you to call out that people don't always mean it in as obnoxious of a way as it could be interpreted. Good comment :)
You're absolutely and objectively correct. OOT, in the year 1998, using the N64 hardware....Nintendo could not have made a better adventure videogame. Docking points for its blocky visuals or stiff (relative to modern dual stick free roam) camera control is unjust. It's like blaming the original space invaders for not being ikaruga.
Tbh, I don't think Ocarina lives up to the hype. It gets respect because it laid so much groundwork, but I think it pales in comparison to something like Majora's Mask or Wind Waker. By the way, if you want to play the best version of the game, try ship of harkinian with 3DS textures and assets. You get HD resolution and glorious 60fps.
I feel like a lot of people who aren't open to certain genres will call something overrated when maybe it's just not for them. Earthbound is probably the key example because a lot of people in the west just don't like turn based RPGs, so one with a pretty basic battle system will just turn them off completely, because they don't really like the gameplay loop. They may be able to enjoy something more complex like Final Fantasy because the complexity makes the gameplay loop work for them. I also think that a lot of people have biases towards certain eras of games, so if something in 3D isn't perfect, then they will consider it dated like Ocarina of Time. It's just pretty complex.
Growing up I only played Super Mario Bros. So the style of gameplay these games have never been interesting to me. Games like Mario or something like Double Dragon are straight forward. I guess I'm just too simple minded. I still am like this today. But I don't see any game as overrated. We all like different things.
Straight fwd lol. Mario games have things you need to figure out in them. Like World 4 Castle, World 7 Castle & World 8 Castle. Double Dragon on the Nes also not straight fwd as you need to also figure out where to go in later levels.
@@tonyp9313 The majority of the game is go from left to right and jump on/shoot enemies. That's all I mean. Double Dragon II is pretty simple. Those are my type of games is what I meant. A game like Zelda you're just going all over the place the entire game not knowing what to do. At least when it was new or if you've never played before. Which is the boat I'm in. So I don't have any interest. But I'm glad people enjoy that. No game is overrated to me.
@@Wheels8504 Yeah for the most part it is for Super Mario Bros 1. Just pointing out if you never played A mario game, you will have trouble to beat them. Double Dragon 2 really straight fwd, & the hardest Double Dragon game to beat.
Any game/book/song/movie/etc that earn a positive consensus about it IS overrated and there is no argue about it. The truth is that there is nothing that will please everybody. About games, I dare to say that there is not a single game that is even liked by the majority of players, and I'm not even considering that, probably, most of people don't play videogames. There is, IMHO, a lot of illusion about it. As, for example: There were 33 milion Nintendo 64 consoles sold, but """only""" 8 million copies of Ocarina of Time. """Only""" 1/4 of N64 owners had a copy of this game. Even Mario 64, with 11M copies, represents 1:3 relation. Ok, we can consider that back in the day, there weren't so many copies available to sale, or that a great number of players used to rent or trade what they played. Even then, we are also talking about a Nintendo console, that basically didn't have much of support from thirdies and blablabla. But it's not only about these games. Every single one of all of greatest hits (yeah... we can even consider that selling numbers is the only real measure of quality), I doubt that there is one single game that most players of it's era liked it. So, IMHO-again, we are all enthusiasts here (or we wouldn't be discussing about a video on the topic) and is cool to discuss about what we like and rate it all. But in the end, the most that we can do is to give people REFERENCES about what games are good. Personally, I'm not a big fan of any of these three games, but if I'm asked about "what games to play" by a person that wants to know about these consoles/genres/eras, I would recommend it, specially if I see that the person is searching for a specific type of game that matches one of these titles. Unfortunately, most of the discussion around games is made by fanatics, pseudo-critics (or every critic is a pseudo... you folks tell me about it) or people that don't play and just echoes consensus for whatever reason. What I like about this channel is that you are not a fanatic, a critic nor even an echo-chamber... just a lad that knows about what you like and knows how to share the passion. So, yeah, Ocarina and Sonic 2 are overrated, Mother still underground (but have a lot of success with critics and echo-chamberists), none of them are near from my favorites, but all are at least very good on what they try to do, and it's enough when most of released games fails to accomplish their own proposal. Cheers!
6:15 This is a great point. People often forget how important pacing is to a game. In OoT, you are never spending more than an hour between dungeons unless you decide to do a side quest like the Big Goron Sword. So, even if you don't like the stuff in between dungeons, it's not a painful process... unlike some other 3D Zeldas...
The biggest issue that I have with OoT is how big and barebones the world of Hyrule and getting to the progression is. Even with Epona, trying to get to one place to another is an chore because of how massive traveling to Hyrule were and there isn't anything happening. I also thought the dungeons were average at best. Forest, Water & Spirit Temple not withstanding. The issue is that they weren't very unique nor challenging. It's just puss this button there, play the Ocarina there and other reputation that don't feel like an solid dungeon. I think other Zelda games handle the dungeons far better. And the bosses aren't even that challenging.
@@jaretco6423the world really isn't that big and getting places with fast travel makes it even better. I also felt the dungeons are still some of the best designed in the series to this day 🤷♂️ I agree with the op that the game has incredible pacing for how many dungeons there are
@chrispy3051 Different taste I guess. But I still rest my case. I still think Hyrule is big & empty. Not like BotW/TotK levels of big because that's an different genre. But I still think it's huge, there's nothing happening during thise events and going through places can be an chore. I still say the dungeons are the weakest in any 3D Zelda games. The designs, puzzles, gimmicks & progression wise weren't all that unique, clever & challenging and some like the Forest, Water & Spirit Temple are so annoying because the puzzles are so obnoxious and you have to backtrack so many times to this & that to progress and it's really tedious all around. Also I don't care about any if the characters in OoT because they weren't interesting. Majora's Mask handles that better. Or better yet. Majora's Mask and other 3D Zelda games handles everything OoT does but better.
@@jaretco6423 yeah if you prefer dungeons ocarina of time, if you prefer characters and world building Majora's mask. I love both and they kind of have opposite strengths. Crazy we got both on N64
@chrispy3051 I guess. I still respect OoT and without it, we wouldn't had more games like that and Majora's Mask as an sequel. I will always appreciated it. Even if I don't agree it's the best Zelda game or best game in general as most people claim and I prefer Majora's Mask way more because I feel it did what OoT does, but better.
I think things can be over hyped. Some fans get way too aggressive about the things they like or dislike. I am happy when people find something to enjoy even if it's not my thing.
Opinions often change over time also. Games I used to rank top tier has fallen while others I disregarded have risen. Not to mention core mechanics can change how a person views a series.
I believe all gta games are over rated because it brought a new genre into gaming, the criminal mentality into being acceptable in a fictional game being ok.
Well, Oot is overrated. But it's still a good game. It's just.... "Best game in the world"? Really? Oot makes a lot of the typical mistakes that most early 3D games are infamous for. Boring empty hubs (Hyrule Field is the worst offender in this regard), clunky interface (metal boots + water temple = worst dungeon experience), and the game suffers a lot from the "Where do I go next" syndrome. Like... Like when Sheik gives you a hint to go to Kakariko village to get the hookshot but it's actually not there but in the graveyard past the village. Here I am like an idiot wandering around Hyrule while Navi screams at you to go to the Forest temple, even though she's wrong. That's just a few examples of dumb game design that happens a lot. There is no such thing as the "Best game in the world". Only what the game means to the individual.
I was one of those 80s/90s kids who loved RPGs. By the time Earthbound was released I had beaten games like Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy 2 and 3, Illusion of Gaia, Breath of Fire, Lufia-all the “good” RPG releases of the time. I didn’t quite know what to make of Earthbound. It’s probably one of the first RPGs I started playing as a kid, but then abandoned partway through. Don’t get me wrong-I appreciated what it was doing at the time. But I guess my 15-year-old brain wanted something with a palpable fantasy or dungeons and dragons vibe. I am ashamed to say it, but I gave EB another go with the release of the SNES mini…and I abandoned it partway through again. 🍌 I intend to go back to it, and I know it’s a great RPG, but for some reason the game just doesn’t click with me. Great vid, as usual!
I've found that "overrated" as a term gets its most use in relation with particular entries in certain series. Specifically series that make stylistic, tonal or design shifts as the years go on. And it's usually for earlier games in a series, who adhered to the earlier design formats. You end up in situations where early games cement themselves in gaming culture as "masterpieces" or "genre staples". But once enough time passes and series start moving away from their original styles, and gather new fans who are less interested in the older formats, you end up with subculture divides, where the new fans can't understand what made the old games so beloved, because the context those games came out in no longer exist, and the new fans become flummoxed because they feel their series have been subsumed out from under them by younger fans who can't connect with what they liked. OOt still gets thrown around as the original 10/10 masterpiece, but for a lot of newer zelda fans, not only does that not track with their experiences with the game or series, but it actively conflicts with most of the design conventions and standards the current zelda series and modern gaming industry in general currently to. People say OOt still holds up, but those people tend to be (not exclusively are, just tend to be) people who played it when it originally came out or as children. because as someone who played it only recently as an adult, I would not agree in any way that it holds up to modern standards. It almost does, but is still very much an old game with old design sensibilities. And it should be fine for an older fan and a newer fan to disagree on that topic, but in OOt's case, you will very often be called stupid for even suggesting you thought the game wasn't enjoyable, and especially if you thought it wasn't enjoyable in comparison to a newer game. I'd say thats really where "overrated" comes from. When enjoyment of a game stops being a subjective experience and starts being a subcultural requirement. The vast majority of "Over rated games" are older games or games in older series whose quality is generally taken for granted. For a lot of people, "overrated" means not living up to the promise of quality gaming subculture made, and being blamed for feeling that way. This isn't a hard rule, there are plenty of examples of people just thinking games are too highly rated and disliking exclusively on that metric. But I think in the case of games like the ones in this video, it really is more of a subcultural divide.
I really enjoyed reading your comment. We agree about older games in series being prime candidates for being called "overrated", but we disagree about Ocarina of Time. To me, having played all the games that came after it makes me think of things the newer games are either missing or that I feel Ocarina of Time did better. On the flip side, there's nothing that's been added to newer Zelda games that I feel makes Ocarina of Time lesser for not having (and in some cases they're things I appreciate OoT not having). That's probably where most Zelda fans would disagree with me.
I really like what you said at the 1:06 mark. I did a video recently about my 5 favorite guitar solos of all time. Someone told me my list of MY favorites was null and void because it didn't include THEIR favorite LOL.
The only reason something can be seen as overrated, is if someone sees a ton of peoppe praise it a ton before that person experiences it. All that fan hype inflates your expectation so much. Even if it's just a general passing compliment, its added to your brain's "giant paint bubble of hype", so when you FINALLY sit down to read, watch, or play this thing you've heard so many people gush over, and it turns out to NOT be the most incredible and perfect thing your mortal eyes have ever beheld, it becomes a disappointment- even if it IS genuinely fantastic. The opposite of this can happen too with something being "underrated" or "overlooked", if you try a game expecting it to be bad or having zero expectation, of course you're going to pick up on what's good about it and that will stand out to you. The key to both of these things, the way to truly experience something untainted by the opinions of others influencing your expectations, is to just entirely shut out everyone's takes. But that's no fun. So if you hear someone saying "x sucks" or "y is perfect", just take it with a grain of salt. Maybe you'll agree with them, maybe you won't, but don't hang on to their opinion as the end-all-be-all "this is how everyone else feels about this thing and so therefore since I don't agree I must bash/defend it"
Imo I dont see retro games to be targets of being over or underrated. It was just a point of being a good or bad game back then. Games I consider to be overrated are games like Call of Duty or most EA sports games. Since they are basically the same game every time with new year added to them.
It's great to have you here! Also, the idea was that I was making the case for why those three games aren't actually overrated and are indeed great games. So, looks like we agree!
@@RetroBirdGaming My list of most overrated gamers are as follows. 1_ Super Mario Bros. 2) Ocarina of Time 3) Super Metroid 4) Zelda: ALttP. I could write pages of text with actual reasons that aren't just words like 'vibes' or 'feels' but "because..." followed by information and not opinion and emotion..
Retro Bird, this has been maybe the funniest and best video I've ever seen of yours. And, counterpoint, I think people might use the term "overrated" to suggest a lack of sincerity, in the liking-its.
😂 This is definitely in my top three favorite channels. That witness protection bit almost made me spew bubbly water out of my nose. Speaking of controversial! Saying bubbly water is good might get you a black eye with some people. And I think you might possibly love bananas more than me. I don’t let mine watch the neighbors out of the window. But maybe I should? My cat gets a kick out of it. I will say though that my potassium is through the roof! Good times.
I've never seen anyone eat a banana like that, and I've watched a LOT of people eat bananas. Subbed because of that visionary banana eating.....plus games n stuff...
Completely agree with your picks. Although I can understand why some people might bounce off of those games. Except Ocarina, which is obviously a masterpiece and a perfect game. 😛
Zelda: OoT does NOT deserve the praise it so often gets. Time hasn't been kind to the N64 graphics and the quality of life stuff like faster text speed, skipable cutscenes, and game design that's clear on what you're supposed to do is severely lacking (especially when navigering Jabu-jabu's belly, the first phase of the Phantom Ganon fight and how to free King Zora is extremely cryptic, as is most of the side quests. It was revolutionary and it's a definive classic, but it's not a 99/100 masterpiece
I might've thought of something that nobody will say is overrated!! Floppy-Eared Dogs??
i really hope you cover the new Rocket Knight Adventures Re-sparked at some point!! when i heard that announcement you were the first person i thought of. it's going to be sold physically on limited run games if u want a physical copy. i want to know what you think!
Me too! I just saw that today and i was like retro bird will be so excited
Meh, dogs in general are overrated. Now cats on the other hand...
*nods head in agreement*
Floppy-eared dogs are overrated. Stiff-eared dogs are the best!
Others have said it, but I'll reiterate: your channel is fantastic! Thank you for your wonderful work.
Ah ... It's overrated.
Indeed. He appears to put a lot of thought and effort into each video. I wish the guy success; seems like a nice dude.
Can we appreciate how cool and yet also hilarious it is to see him playing Sonic 2 + Sonic & Knuckles on a Sega Nomad? Imagine taking that setup on a road trip.
I just need to get a game genie in there too :)
Buy an analogue pocket and install Genesis, snes, game gear and other fpga cores. Play everything without lag and super duper screen
@@vasilas432Where's the fun in that? Jk.
The banana budget for this video was insane!
You should see the Donkey Kong Country trilogy video ;) czcams.com/video/rRlH4FUmrmo/video.html
@@RetroBirdGaming
*More Overrated Games That Actually Aren’t*
• Donkey Kong Country (series)
• Super Mario Bros Wonder
• Sonic 3 & Knuckles
• 2D Super Mario series (Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario All-Stars, Super Mario Advance 1-4, Super Mario World 1 & 2, hacks of the original SMW with custom music and custom endings, and yes, even Super Mario Bros. Wonder, no matter what the Game of the Year awards and its supporters that didn’t make it win say. I love Baldur’s Gate 3, but it’s not the only best game of last year!)
• Pac-Man World (series)
• pre-2010s Final Fantasy games
• Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 (Dreamcast)
• 2000s Mario RPGs
• Mega Man (franchise; re: classic series, Mega Man X1-X4, Zero, Battle Network/StarForce)
• Pokémon (2000s - mid-2010s generations)
The list goes on, anyone can let me know if I’m missing anything, because I might just be missing a lot of things.
Chrono Trigger
Super Metroid
Dragonquest VIII
Mortal Kombat
Dragonquest 1
Doom
Resident Evil 1-3
Halo 1-3
Mega Man Legends
Fallout
Banjo Kazooie
Super Smash Bros
Final Fantasy Tactics
Legend of Dragoon
Metroid Prime
StarTropics
Link's Awakening
Secret of Mana
Final Fantasy 4
Diddy Kong Racing
Eating a banana like corn on the cob got me. 😂
The depth behind the pronunciation of ocarina joke was not lost by me. So funny.
Fun watching your channel grow over the years now.
Keep up the good work, like a banana farmer umm…see I just can’t come up with puns like you can!
Earthbound is one of my all time favorite games to this day.. the music when you discover a sanctuary is ethereal
Never played Earthbound till the SNES classic came out. Wow, what an awesome game. Never also played Zelda Ocarina of Time till it came out on the Switch rental service 😋. I lived through both of these periods in gaming and I can say, I missed out but thankfully through these options I was able to play what I had previously missed. The best part though about "missing out" is that I now have a back catalog so massive I can very thankfully concentrate purely on retro games. So many of the games of today simply bore me and are lacking in creativity. IMHO, it's a money grab today vs. creating fun and interesting titles.
The almost redheaded version of Scott The Woz (seriously, play this video at 1.1 times speed). I love it. 😂 Underrated channel.
Three great games as far as I'm concerned!
I definitely thought about this channel when I saw the Rocket Knight collection. The original Genesis game is great and I'm very curious about the other two, which I've hardly ever seen mentioned anywhere (even here!).
When I see Earthbound, I don't think over rated. I do think over-priced. Big time.
It's not that rare, it was included on the SNES classic mini, and can be played on the switch if you have the subscription to the SNES games. Still, it ends up going for $400 or $500 dollars (Canadian) in my local area. Makes no sense to me at all.
$2500 for complete in box.
Just found your channel, really enjoy this style of video game & tech review. Looking forward to more in the future!
I have been watching for some time now. I love the humor. Clean and not crazy. Retro Bird does a great job in his videos!
Overrated I always felt like was a term that's used for essentially anything very popular. Chrono Trigger, FF7 and games like that. The term doesn't seem to mean what it used to like when people say a game is underrated and then talk about a game that's wildly known like Star Fox or something.
That outro song is always 🔥🔥🔥
You know what isn't overrated? This channel...and bananas. Lots and lots of bananas.
Thanks :) I've been meaning to tell you that I like your new logo!
@@RetroBirdGaming New year, new logo, new vibes.
Bananas are underrated! 🍌
If you were born around 1980 like me and grew up adoring the NES and SNES, when you hit high school and the Nintendo 64 came out, it was absolutely indescribable. For those of us who were kids or young adults at the time, the jump from 2D to 3D was incredible. Ocarina of Time Is a game that hasn't aged well, at least on the Nintendo 64, exactly like most games from that era during the first dedicated and consistent venture into polygons and 3-D. I think some folks think it's overrated just because of how poorly that generation of consoles has aged. However, for those of us alive to experience that at the time, it was absolutely mesmerizing. Ocarina of time is in my top three games of all time. Lost count of how many times I've completed it. Thanks for getting that some special attention and defending it. Also, Earthbound is one of my most special and memorable gaming experiences as an adult. Great list 😎
I think the issue with Ocarina of Time is how big and empty the worlds are and the dungeons can be barebones compared to other Zelda games that did it far better for how creative and challenging it was. I will always appreciated OoT for it's revolutionary and other standouts. But I'll be lying if I say it's the best Zelda game or even the best video game ever made.
This channel is such a guilty pleasure of mine… 3 min in and no mention of bananas tho….
They're on their way :)
Naners were mentioned before the 2 minute mark
@@edwardnarro3323 I gotta rewatch then
@@casuallyfilthy what's better than watching once? Watching twice!
The word "Overrated" has kinda lost its meaning over the years
It used to mean that something was "loved too much" but still good but now people use it as an alternative for "I hate this"
I'M probably going to get doxxed by Pokemon fans but Pokemon Black and White are a little bit overrated. People treat Pokemon Black and White like flawless Masterpieces when they do have flaws, the flaws being them being too short, uncreative Pokemon, lack of memorable overworld themes (YES I'M AWARE DRIFTVEIL CITY EXISTS)
Its still a good game but people treat it like the mona lisa and now hate on other Pokemon games that aren't Gen 5
Genfivers are now hating on Gen 2, while it does have some problems, Genfivers treat it like its Hotel Maro, I really hope they don't hate on Gen 3 next
The Pokemon games I personally enjoyed the most are Emerald, Platinum and PMD Explorers of Sky
Stay Mad
Gen 3 is trash Gen 5 is better + Ratio
Gen V never spoke to me the way it did for other people. I respect the games, but for some reason when I think of the games all I can remember is when the Team Plasma guys stole Musharna like an hour or two in.
I think the games I get most excited about are definitely RBG and GSC, (even though I'm a Sinnohbaby) they just have a really specific flavor to them and a lot of the dev's various personalities and obsessions shine through.
Rocket knight Adventures on the Genesis is the most over rated game much like bananas are the most over rated fruit.
Pokemon BW are fair rated in a messed up sort of way. They have lovers and haters in equal measure and both sides are wierdly justified. Personally, I think B2 and W2 are the best single games in the series as a single player experience but gen 5 is really weak as a whole. Despite ruby and sapphire being my least favorite of the 2D games, gen 3 is my favorite because of just how rich the gba/gamecube pokemon ecosystem is. The console spinoffs are even their own adventure and you get 2 of them! Pokemon Stadium and battle revolution pale in comparison and gen 5 forward basically got nothing.
Back when gen V released so many people hated it(Im a gen wunner but at that time it was a close third favorite behind the original and gold)
I actively hate diamond and pearl (never played platinum). The story, characters, bad guys, no fire types all made it suck IMHO.
But the older you get, and the more experienced you become you learn how truly varied opinions are. You'll hear every stance possible all within the same community. It's odd😂
I love the Zelda series, but I never liked Ocarina of Time, even when it first came out. I've tried repeatedly to get into this game, but I can't get into it. I know that is just my opinion, but the thing that gets me riled up about the game is people constantly treating this like it launched the Zelda series or the blueprint for how a Zelda game is supposed to be, like the six Zelda games before it came out don't exist.
To be fair, OoT practically was the blueprint for every Zelda game that came out up until BoTW. And you only had 3 main console Zelda games before Oot with Zelda 2 being a different type of game that wasn't well received. OoT was the natural progression and put the Zelda series in the realm of "Must play games" in a lot of people's eyes.
Retro Bird answers the question 'What's the opposite of AVGN?' 🙂 Love the channel, it's a refreshing take on retro game reviews!
It makes me so happy that you mentioned Earrhbound! Back then it didn't get the love and attention it deserved and today i feel like there are more fans of the series, but it is still an umknown. If that makes an sense! Great video, and keep up the great work!
Also i love your Channel! I enjoy your topics on Video games!
Earthbound is hilarious to me. I played it a couple years ago and i was laughing my ass off at almost every line of dialogue, even in battles! Thats definitely what carried it for me
I'd say that most of the "overrated" games that I've played (including OoT and Sonic 2) are actually very worthy of their positive reputations.
And to be clear, it's not just nostalgia: I've picked up all kinds of games a decade or two after they released, and I can still appreciate their quality, despite not growing up with them.
That said, there are definitely a few that I found mediocre (you could say "overrated"!), though even those all have redeeming qualities in their presentation.
Yeah, the nostalgia defense is not really very applicable considering that many games just last long enough where a huge portion of the fans are newer. I think the key example is Castlevania as I think that most the people who care about Castlevania are either very experienced with gaming, or are mostly new fans. So when people call it overrated due to nostalgia because there is stiff jumps, I find that a poor critique because most of the people who are playing it aren't really nostalgia based.
Hate to say it. But I do think it is nostalgia that's the reason you love these games. I mean. There the most popular games after all and if u ask me what video game is the best, alot of people will tell you it's Ocarina of Time or Sonic 2.
@@jaretco6423 There are all kinds of games that I didn't grow up with- Goldeneye and Perfect Dark being great examples- that I still enjoyed and would still rank among my all-time favourites. Many would say that those games have aged terribly, and that their popularity is only fuelled by nostalgia, but I had no nostalgia for them when I picked them up a decade late, around the age of 20.
And it's not the popularity that's swaying me, either, as there are similarly popular, beloved games that I do think are overrated.
@3dmarth Depends on the type of nostalgia. Sometimes it's good. Other times it might not be. But Ocarina of Time has been nominated as the best game ever; if not top 3 in many reviews. IGN, GameSpot, Nintendo reviews, any of them. From what I've seen, Ocarina of Time has been in the top property game that any reviews put it in.
@@jaretco6423 If I'm following correctly, you think that people are biased because of OoT's extreme popularity, and are basically obligated to think/say it's the best?
There's definitely some truth to that, but it's not the whole story. For one, it has gotten a lot of (over?)exposure in Nintendo circles, so it's likely to get mentioned a lot as a favourite. I've noticed that people of different ages and regions will have different gaming tastes, broadly speaking, and some groups are not very Nintendo-centric at all!
I also believe there are strong reasons for OoT's popularity, based on its merits alone. It's a very cleverly-designed adventure, and it has a certain atmosphere and "feel" that most later games in the series haven't been able to match.
I loved scratch and sniff back in the day. Haven't seen them in a long long time.
Ooo, Earthbound, one of my favorite RPGs! I love it. And I'd be the first to acknowledge its flaws and why other people might not like it. If I were a hacker/programmer with the ability to easily modify code in such a way, I would love to:
* Move key items to their own inventory
* Say thank you for the attempt at the condiment system for being ambitious but it belongs in a game with less restrictive inventory
* Make it easier to sell or drop multiple items
* Make equipped items not take up inventory space
So mostly my biggest hangup with the game is having to stop having fun so much and be forced to play inventory management quite frequently.
Also I'd like to just not give a response when you check/talk in a position that has nothing to provide, as personally I think this discourages players from looking for secrets.
I have to say, the inventory management in that game could seem quite daunting at times and even annoying. Those are some good ideas. Also, that floating photographer really got on my nerves sometimes, but strangely, at other times, I kind of enjoyed the interruption.
clicked the vid and was skeptical to say least with huge influx of retro creators these days but I'm literally one minute in and love the format and script , very interesting as I've commented maybe 5 months ago on another vid and i never comment , your face maybe back ground or how you look I Dunno seems to normal or neutral if you want constructive criticism grow a beard or have a funky hair cut or color i Dunno my 2 cents still only at 1 min lol-
5 mins in and loved the banana window joke with double entendre , took 10 seconds before i got it , i like your perspective and found myself agreeing to the point i knew there was an option c and hoped it was what you wrote , 7 mins now , just writing this because i think your a top tier creator with low count subs but if you continue the hard work youll be at a mill within a year
now im at the end ive laughed twice real hard love your perspective just sad it wasn't longer .... but that's what she said keep up the good work
Really appreciate the compliments and am glad to have you on the channel! I hope you'll check out some of my other videos as well :)
One of my daily internet pet peeves is the egregious misuse of "Under and Overrated" these days. People just use it for their selfish opinions instead of understanding why something is rated the way it is to begin with. It's okay to not like something but understand why so many do (and vice versa). We really need to normalize the Unbiased Opinion. Great video though.
Thank you!
I remember getting a Gamepro magazine with the scratch and sniff card for Earthbound while I was on a road trip to our family vacation. Never played the game till way later but that has always stuck with me.
Recently picked up a Genesis and the Sonic games, been having fun trying to play games I never grew up with.
Which Sonic do you like out of the Sonic 1-3 games?
I did that recently with SNES. It's kind of a wonderful feeling to experience the things you missed. I played a few SNES games as a kid, but getting to really explore the library now is awesome.
Why didn't you pick up a genesis mini? Far better value 🤷♀️
@@HUYI1 Not if you want to play it on a crt tv. Also it lags so worse value
This channels format vibe is like a fusion of Scott the Woz meets Classic Game Room. I dig it.
Your writing is super on point. Love this
There are lots of factors that contribute to a rating that would be the most repeated opinion of a game. Sometimes the market feels tired of a genre. Or sometimes a game does something new that captures peoples imaginations.
Over time, popular opinion can be reassessed and a game might be considered worse or better with hindsight.
A publisher might pay money to publications for favourable reviews.
When it comes to legacy games, what is popular is more likely to be the taste of a select few individuals who direct publications, known as editors.
Editors have the ultimate say in what get published and read by a mass audience and will employ people who's opinions they approve of.
So it's quite easy for any game to be forgotten unfairly or praised without deserving it.
When it comes to the best games, I'm miles away from the major publications and popular internet commentators.
Here's why rating games matters.
It's a matter of social engineering. What is pushed upon you might not always stick. But when your opinions are being swayed for any kind of nefarious reason such as bribes or affiliation and a desire to please powerful people, a problem arises. Is the art form of a game being lost to a desired shape of the industry that is not tailored to fun but has been compromised in the name of profit.
The best way to make money is to sell many copies of the exact same game as the cost of delivery is basically nothing. So one way to do that is market one game tirelessly. All outlets, youtubers and streamers, blanket coverage. For like 10 years. The marketing is more effective in generating money than the cost of developing a new ip.
So the same games and sequels of games dominate the charts. All the money is spent on very similar types of games.
Don't be naïve and thing you are making informed choices independently. Because that's not the case. You are gathering information which is largely opinion posing as fact.
If you need to learn to love a game then I'm not sue what you're doing that you're so determined to like something you have been told so many times is good that in order to feel normal you have to spend 80 hours of time learning to like something you wouldn't have otherwise.
Games these days are very samey in terms of theme, genre and gameplay style.
So the medium of entertainment is somewhat dictated by manufactured opinion such as the concept of the Metroidvania or Roguelike which are genres that spawned a thousand clones in the name of originality and authenticity.
When a game can be anything and all the top 10 are games designed over 20 years ago I feel that it's important to be beave enough to support your opinion publicly just for the public record to state your taste lest you become at the yolk of popular opinion which amounts the a handful of editors and directors.
I really hate how it has become so common to hate on OoT. That game is an absolute classic and really sucked me in when I got it at a 9 year old kid. It still holds up well to this day!
I believe that this resistance about OoT comes from the fact that most fans of this game acts as if consensus makes a game better.
Forget for a second about your personal taste of what you believe that makes a good game. Now imagine yourself trying to convince a lad that is fan of something diametrical opposite of OoT (but that still a great game on it's genre)... as example, a fan of Championship Manager (a series that had a release at the same year of OoT) that Zelda is a better game. Or you both will agree that the other game "is a good game that you dislike" or at least one of you will like both (as I do... but liked CM most back in the days... nowadays I would choose OoT with not much enthusiasm... just saying for reference).
And that is it! As OoT fans tend to be way more loud about their taste than Championship Manager players do, then this is the reason I believe that it have more hate.
PS: And don't we forget that joking and trollcraft can be very fun on a number of ocasions.
Cheers!
who hates it? i never see this being expressed - thank god!
I feel that a lot of the hate comes from people who weren't even alive during that era of gaming. It's easy to compare it to more modern 3d games and say "Why did people think this was good?", when back during those days we didn't really have any other game like it.
I can confirm that I didn't grew up with OoT. I played when it was remade on 3DS and I thought it was fine. Not bad. But not amazing either. The issue I have with OoT is how big and empty the world of Hyrule were, the dungeons were average at best; but not very unique or challenging that it could've been, the bosses are easy, the story is generic at best and the music doesn't grab me as many people do. I will always respect it for how impactful and revolutionary the game is. But best Zelda game or best game in general? No. I think there are better games than OoT.
@@jaretco6423 Those are completely valid criticisms when compared to what came after. Everything that came after was built upon what OoT established.
I hate the word overrated. Some people even say crimally overrated. I also think immediately, overrated by whom? Can't you rate something however you like?
First time viewer. Just wanted to say that I noticed the attention to detail in your shots and framing. Everything is so prestine and well taken care of. The shots of gameplay on the hand-helds are steady so that it's easy to view and the boxes/consoles in the background are a nice touch. Same thing with the dark room and playing on a CRT TV.
Wish I was more articulate when it comes to praising things like this. My main point is that it has not gone unnoticed. Screw it! While we're at it, the sound mixing was also great. Didn't have to adjust my volume throughout the whole video.
Thank you for that! Those are all things that take a lot of time being meticulous to get right (or as close to right as I can). The sound mixing in particular nearly gave me a nervous breakdown the way I would fret over it. Anyhow, thank you and welcome to the channel!
I don't tend to like when someone says a game is overrated. Like you said that means people shouldn't like something because you feel differently, and that's kind of silly.
Great video as always!
Thanks for watching as always!
I was spacing off and came back into consciousness with , "I wound up on the roof of a school once" 🤣
Ocarina of time is the only game I ever pre-ordered. I still remember going down to my local game store in the mall to get the collectors edition with prima magazine!
Thank you for taking me down Memory Lane!! I will briefly mention just one game you talked about, Earthbound. I love how even though it’s so different from other RPGs it still WORKS, offers so much comedy, and gives an experience that is totally unique and yet isn’t too abstract (most of the time😅) I love how the stores and shops are portrayed like a totally wonderful place(smile, smile ), you call your parents to save your game or when Ness is simply feeling homesick, and let’s not forget: COFFEE BREAK, with its musical serenity and encouraging message halfway through the game.😊
I appreciate the "whatever floats your boat" sentiment. I have friends who have teased me over the years calling me a hipster who hates everything mainstream and only likes offbeat stuff just because I don't like Ocarina of Time and others, but honestly, most of my personal top ten would be super mainstream... Marios, Metroids, Castlevanias, a Final Fantasy, Earthbound... I just appreciate games that do something different quite a bit as well. Popular games are, as stated in the video, highly regarded for a reason. I like Mario 64 because it really just is fun. I don't like Halo or Fortnite, but I don't begrudge anyone for enjoying them.
I don't like Ocarina of Time at all. Zelda became something different starting with that game, and it wasn't for me anymore, even if the prior games were some of my all-time favorites. It doesn't mean it's bad, but it's okay not to like it, too.
I do think some of the pushback against some of these games comes from people treating it like you're somehow stupid if you don't like them. It makes you want to trash those games, whereas you'd probably just agree to disagree otherwise.
This is probably the first time I've seen someone use the phrase "Zelda became something different and it wasn't for me" in reference to OOt, and not Botw. This sentiment has been so prevalent in discussions of botw that I had forgotten that OOT did the exact same thing, just instead of linear to open, it was 2d to 3d. I think it kinda demonstrates a certain lack of perspective sectors of the Zelda community have developed.
But you're spot on about people treating you like you're stupid if you don't like certain games. It's very hard not to hate something, if people actively insult your intelligence for just not liking it. A Zelda channel ran a poll ranking Zelda games, and TOTK won over OOt, and the comments were just full of people claiming anyone who preferred Totk was a "stupid child with recency bias who had probably never played oot".
It's hard to explain the impact of OoT to Zelda fans during the time it originally launched.
3d games were far from their "stride".
Emoraptor sentiment and the ilk have good points and the Zelda feel was reinvented but it was unmistakably Zelda.
Zelda 1 my favorite btw but OoT captured my imagination with far less need to do so in some crazy way.
Imo... the best Zelda song is The Original Hyrule Castle on snes.
My first Zelda game. From the uneasy panic of the rain to lit Halls of the Castle.
THE song is so powerful even if the entry dungeon doesn't live up to it.
It's like going from enter the eternal fire to equimanthorn on my bathory Playlist.
God bless u God bless Zelda God bless that bird
God I love talking Zelda memories
Look I grew up with oot I can tell you I like botw and totk more than oot because I played oot and remember really hating it I replayed it recently because I have it for GameCube and still hate it.
Honestly it a bad game mechanically, story was ok and gameplay was bad but I still like majora mask which puzzles me but hey “what ever floats your boat they say”.
Honestly I gald some ppl are speaking out on oot because I thought I was alone in hating it.
That an final fantasy series as well but love jrpgs I don’t know what people see in final fantasy but I grew up with chrono trigger so I still think I am spoiled.
'These people' are emboldened by countless articles singing the praises of OoT. Naming it as a touchpoint in the industry. Very florid language used and very hyperbolic. It's goes with the territory of writing copy. People tend to exaggerate to just make things sound more exciting to the reader.
So Ocarina of Time is officially the best game ever made. I did some research into the top ten games a couple of years ago and OoT and Mario 64 were consistently in the top 2 but OoT killed it by miles.
So people are going to assume what they read has some truth in it and feel confident in repeating an opinion they already read. Then feel good in a chat room agreeing with other people and just waxing lyrical about how much they like things.
So it can be a shock when someone says they don't like something because they've not heard that opinion before.
It's part of media that messages become simplified and condensed for the sake of shorthand.
There are alot of tastes but games get money spent on them when they sell and what sells it what people can agree on that is good.
So tastes are being directed all the time to favour one party or another based on influence and brand loyalty.
@@MaxM210yeah tbh that’s how I feel about BOTW. The weapon degradation and lack of returning magic items was a major turn off.
I got the collectors edition and was so hyped….never made it off the plateau 😅
When I say something is overrated, I don't necessarily say it's a bad, or I don't like it. Just that I don't think it is as highly rated as it is. I think Super Mario Bros. 3 is a little overrated. It's an amazing game, definitely top 10 NES of all time. But I don't think it is clearly #1 of all NES games.
Top 5 nes:
Castlevania
Metroid
MegaMan
Super Mario
Double dragon
Super Mario 3 is very good. I like Super Mario 2 a whole lot better. Just because you can play as 4 different characters each having their own abilities.
But Mario 2 has less power ups than Mario 3. It only has the mushroom and super Star.
@@traviscunningham7062 So? You don't need all those power ups in Super Mario 3. You mostly use the racoon tail to fly.
Everything that has a fanbase is overrated. No matter what fanbase it is, they think it's the greatest thing ever. Keep that in mind.
As a huge Sonic fan not sure how Sonic Mania passed my radar for the Switch! Thanks for the Bird Seeds to that gem or shall I say Rings? Ha-Ha! Actually I'm amazed how many 2D games are out there for systems out now, which is why this passed my Retro Radar! When I play my 2D games I lose track of time & then reality hits & I'm like: Where am I? What year is it? Is the Rock President? What? There's more 2D Sonic than Sonic Superstars? Woo, I love being a Turtle! I mean Hedgehog!
I rarely watch gaming reviews/opinions anymore but man this channel is awesome. Keep up the good work.
You'll hit a million subs in no time.
I really appreciate you watching! Thank you :)
I was just talking to my Dad about this. It's great that my Dad is an old school gamer. He was born in 58 and now that he has retired he has been asking me about how to go about getting back into retro. During this talk it came up that when I was a kid he just never liked Sonic. It was just one of those things that didn't stick for him. I loved it as it was doing something that back then felt very different from Mario and other platformers. My pops loves Mario but no matter how hard I tried I just couldn't get him to love that blue hedgehog
Somehow I'm leaving this video with a strange desire to now play No one can stop Mr. Domino
It is legitimately an awesome game.
Silly as always, retrobird. You make fridays great!
this video somehow mentions all 3 major category of games for me
sonic 2, which i love
ocarina of time, which im just kinda indifferent towards
and earthbound, which i absolutely cannot stand
ig it just shows how different opinions can be.
The term "overrated" is overrated. I think a lot of the use of the term comes down to changing expectations.
I saw it rather clearly with Mario Odyssey. There was the people who played it at launch (like me), where coming off of SM3DW it blew them away. They all talked it up, and then then there was a second wave of players hearing that buzz and giving it a try and all of a sudden "It's no masterpiece". Then a 3rd wave sees people putting it down and give it a go after hearing that and go "well hold on, it's still really great." I've also seen this happen with Beatles albums, the one seen as the general 'best' seems to fluctuate over the years as whenever one is decided and sits at the top to long people get to used to it and start to change sentiments from "Well Sgt. Pepper is not that good.... look at Revolver"
OoT I was on the other side of, where after hearing how it was "The greatest game of all time" for like 15 years before I finally gave it a go, well nothing can live up to that let alone a game on the N64 lol. I was not too impressed after initially playing it. Also really popular and influential works tend to get woven into the fabric of the medium itself, and what was once fresh and unexpected seems less so when everything after was copying it lol.
The jokes and editing are perfect here. 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Thank you!
A good rule of thumb: if the game was made pre-2006 and is "overrated" according to someone born in the 2000s, it is quite likely 100% worth its praise and nothing like you've played in the recent years either. 1995-2005 was truly the Golden Era of video games.
That's a good point. More generally, you know your tastes, so you can disregard certain criticisms that are typically non-issues for you.
I also find that many of my all-time favourites are from around 2000, plus/minus a few years, and can safely disregard any concerns about a game aging poorly, as long as it's from the mid-90s or later, anyway.
Goldeneye, perfect dark, metal gear solid, bubsy 3d..... lol
To your point about how Zelda fans compare 3d to 2d entries in the series there's one thing I remember from Gmanlives channel about the comparisons that rose between the original Quake and Quake 2 which, despite their names were quite different games. Sure you can prefer one over the other and maybe it made sense to compare them when the latter was released but it was over 25 years ago. But right now you can play and enjoy both for what they are so maybe just do that.
So anyway, just found your channel yesterday and I'm really enjoying the handful of videos I just watched, it's goofy and humorous while some very real topics are being adressed. I found your backlog video to ring especially true to me and it was quite insightful.
Glad you found the channel and happy to have you here!
Part of it surely comes from the frustration of knowing underappreciated games. For example, Panzer Dragoon Saga is magnificent, but hardly anyone has played it. So if you try to bring Final Fantasy 7 down a peg, it's a bit like correcting the injustice of it getting so much more love than a game that you know deserved it every bit as much.
"Overrated" is almost always used by people who aren't intelligent enough to realize their opinions are subjective, not factual.
"Underrated", on the other hand, is something that can easily exist because of misunderstand, biases, and simple non-exposure/not giving it a proper chance.
That said, I really like Earthbound and Sonic 2, but Ocarina of Time didn't land for me, I loved the original Zelda games, but Ocarina of Time (as well as Celda, TP, and Skyward Sword) didn't really land for me. If I had to nail it down what I didn't like about it, it was the dungeons/temples--they simply aren't fun for me. Breath of the Wild, Link to the Past, Legend of Zelda, and even Adventure of Link I had few to no problems with, usually enjoyed them in those games. But when it came to Ocarina of Time and the Ocarina of Time clones, I couldn't stand them - probably because they were somehow both painfully easy (in terms of combat/puzzles) and yet frustrating when it came to trying to figure out where you were supposed to actually go, what the next (mandatory) step was to do to proceed with the game, and where the key/switch was in these giant 37 room labyrinths. I also think pacing was a big problem, Breath of the Wild and Link to the Past, rarely spent more than 15 minutes in a dungeon/shrine/cave/temple, but in Ocarina of Time style games it could be hours... hours where 90%+ of the time was wandering/re-wandering the labyrinth looking for that key in a haystack.
I was blown away by Breath of the Wild. That was the game I dreamed Zelda 64 was supposed to be in the hype train leading up to it: a massive overworld to explore, many towns/villages to visit, and staring over Hyrule from up high on death mountain. Plus it was all very open, if there was a part that I got stuck at, I could always go somewhere else instead, and either come back to it later or forget about it completely; Ocarina of Time-type games, getting stuck could mean you're effectively done the game... you can get a walkthrough and go through the game, but then it's a chore instead of a game.
Fun, interesting and topical video as always.
Cheers.
To quote the irreverent Michael Caine, “some people want to watch the world burn.” No matter how good, good for them or benefits everyone, they will hate for the sake of hate.
2:31 Not to mention Ocarina was also the first fully 3D Zelda game (which only enlarged the target) because at the time the every-game-must-now-be-3D was in full effect and while most gamers were excited for this new frontier there were still a fair share of skeptics (understandably so *cough- Castlevania64 *cough*) but credit where credits due it did go on to change the video game landscape forever and that is enough to garner the praise it deserves (even though I’m a Link to the Past til death kinda guy) Great video and 2:13 great segue btw lol
The banana jokes made me laugh aloud more than they should have.
You made that girls day with those extra banana jokes.
Anyone else’s anxiety spike at the banana chopping with the knife getting closer to bird’s hand uncomfortably? 10:02
Nice NOMAD mod! The LCD screen is a lot clearer then the original.
Dude… and you’re underrated at comedy. The banana counters not watching you and finally scratching the sniffcards in your deathbed were hilarious lmao 😅
While I agree that there's no need to go out of the way to tell someone something they enjoy is bad, I would say that it's important to consider that "overrated" doesn't mean "bad." A person can rate a game an 8/10 but still consider it overrated if most people consider it 10/10.
On that same note, I also think that someone calling something "overrated" by definition means that they disagree with the *majority view* of that thing, not just with any individual view. In other words, if someone says a game is overrated, it doesn't mean they think any given individual is wrong for liking it - it means that they think the majority view of the game is more favorable than it deserves, even if they still think the game deserves a favorable rating.
So for instance, I think OoT is overrated, but I don't think it's *bad*. On the contrary, it's an excellent game that belongs somewhere on most top 100 lists. I just don't think it should be in the conversation for best game of all time - an opinion which is very much an outlier.
I'm glad you wrote this, because I went through the exact same thought process while making this video. However, while saying something is overrated could mean you disagree with the majority view, you're still saying that you think you're right and all those people are wrong. You have it rated correctly while all of them have it wrong. I get what you're saying though. There's an earnestness in saying you just don't quite think a game is quite as good as others do. Either way, I've found that when people say a game is overrated they often don't use that word because they only slightly disagree (they usually really disagree). Still, I think it's a fair point of you to call out that people don't always mean it in as obnoxious of a way as it could be interpreted. Good comment :)
You're absolutely and objectively correct. OOT, in the year 1998, using the N64 hardware....Nintendo could not have made a better adventure videogame. Docking points for its blocky visuals or stiff (relative to modern dual stick free roam) camera control is unjust. It's like blaming the original space invaders for not being ikaruga.
Tbh, I don't think Ocarina lives up to the hype. It gets respect because it laid so much groundwork, but I think it pales in comparison to something like Majora's Mask or Wind Waker. By the way, if you want to play the best version of the game, try ship of harkinian with 3DS textures and assets. You get HD resolution and glorious 60fps.
I have a Dolby surround system and a mini theater room that I make sure to watch all the retro bird videos on
I love how you clearly have a large collection of games, consoles, and accessories but only show it off in little bits at a time.
I love your video on this topic! I feel the same way about Street Fighter 2, Super Mario World, and Final Fantasy 6.
I feel like a lot of people who aren't open to certain genres will call something overrated when maybe it's just not for them. Earthbound is probably the key example because a lot of people in the west just don't like turn based RPGs, so one with a pretty basic battle system will just turn them off completely, because they don't really like the gameplay loop. They may be able to enjoy something more complex like Final Fantasy because the complexity makes the gameplay loop work for them. I also think that a lot of people have biases towards certain eras of games, so if something in 3D isn't perfect, then they will consider it dated like Ocarina of Time. It's just pretty complex.
Growing up I only played Super Mario Bros. So the style of gameplay these games have never been interesting to me. Games like Mario or something like Double Dragon are straight forward. I guess I'm just too simple minded. I still am like this today. But I don't see any game as overrated. We all like different things.
Straight fwd lol. Mario games have things you need to figure out in them. Like World 4 Castle, World 7 Castle & World 8 Castle. Double Dragon on the Nes also not straight fwd as you need to also figure out where to go in later levels.
@@tonyp9313 The majority of the game is go from left to right and jump on/shoot enemies. That's all I mean. Double Dragon II is pretty simple. Those are my type of games is what I meant. A game like Zelda you're just going all over the place the entire game not knowing what to do. At least when it was new or if you've never played before. Which is the boat I'm in. So I don't have any interest. But I'm glad people enjoy that. No game is overrated to me.
@@Wheels8504 Yeah for the most part it is for Super Mario Bros 1. Just pointing out if you never played A mario game, you will have trouble to beat them. Double Dragon 2 really straight fwd, & the hardest Double Dragon game to beat.
Any game/book/song/movie/etc that earn a positive consensus about it IS overrated and there is no argue about it. The truth is that there is nothing that will please everybody.
About games, I dare to say that there is not a single game that is even liked by the majority of players, and I'm not even considering that, probably, most of people don't play videogames.
There is, IMHO, a lot of illusion about it. As, for example: There were 33 milion Nintendo 64 consoles sold, but """only""" 8 million copies of Ocarina of Time. """Only""" 1/4 of N64 owners had a copy of this game. Even Mario 64, with 11M copies, represents 1:3 relation.
Ok, we can consider that back in the day, there weren't so many copies available to sale, or that a great number of players used to rent or trade what they played. Even then, we are also talking about a Nintendo console, that basically didn't have much of support from thirdies and blablabla.
But it's not only about these games. Every single one of all of greatest hits (yeah... we can even consider that selling numbers is the only real measure of quality), I doubt that there is one single game that most players of it's era liked it.
So, IMHO-again, we are all enthusiasts here (or we wouldn't be discussing about a video on the topic) and is cool to discuss about what we like and rate it all. But in the end, the most that we can do is to give people REFERENCES about what games are good. Personally, I'm not a big fan of any of these three games, but if I'm asked about "what games to play" by a person that wants to know about these consoles/genres/eras, I would recommend it, specially if I see that the person is searching for a specific type of game that matches one of these titles. Unfortunately, most of the discussion around games is made by fanatics, pseudo-critics (or every critic is a pseudo... you folks tell me about it) or people that don't play and just echoes consensus for whatever reason. What I like about this channel is that you are not a fanatic, a critic nor even an echo-chamber... just a lad that knows about what you like and knows how to share the passion. So, yeah, Ocarina and Sonic 2 are overrated, Mother still underground (but have a lot of success with critics and echo-chamberists), none of them are near from my favorites, but all are at least very good on what they try to do, and it's enough when most of released games fails to accomplish their own proposal.
Cheers!
Ocarina of Time was ahead of it's time! This game still holds up today and that's why it's so good!!!
I disagree, and that's okay.
I really don't like Zelda games. Why can't they just tell you where to go in those?
Later Zelda games after OOT show the landmark of where you should progress.
6:15 This is a great point. People often forget how important pacing is to a game. In OoT, you are never spending more than an hour between dungeons unless you decide to do a side quest like the Big Goron Sword. So, even if you don't like the stuff in between dungeons, it's not a painful process... unlike some other 3D Zeldas...
The biggest issue that I have with OoT is how big and barebones the world of Hyrule and getting to the progression is. Even with Epona, trying to get to one place to another is an chore because of how massive traveling to Hyrule were and there isn't anything happening. I also thought the dungeons were average at best. Forest, Water & Spirit Temple not withstanding. The issue is that they weren't very unique nor challenging. It's just puss this button there, play the Ocarina there and other reputation that don't feel like an solid dungeon. I think other Zelda games handle the dungeons far better. And the bosses aren't even that challenging.
@@jaretco6423the world really isn't that big and getting places with fast travel makes it even better. I also felt the dungeons are still some of the best designed in the series to this day 🤷♂️ I agree with the op that the game has incredible pacing for how many dungeons there are
@chrispy3051 Different taste I guess. But I still rest my case. I still think Hyrule is big & empty. Not like BotW/TotK levels of big because that's an different genre. But I still think it's huge, there's nothing happening during thise events and going through places can be an chore. I still say the dungeons are the weakest in any 3D Zelda games. The designs, puzzles, gimmicks & progression wise weren't all that unique, clever & challenging and some like the Forest, Water & Spirit Temple are so annoying because the puzzles are so obnoxious and you have to backtrack so many times to this & that to progress and it's really tedious all around. Also I don't care about any if the characters in OoT because they weren't interesting. Majora's Mask handles that better. Or better yet. Majora's Mask and other 3D Zelda games handles everything OoT does but better.
@@jaretco6423 yeah if you prefer dungeons ocarina of time, if you prefer characters and world building Majora's mask. I love both and they kind of have opposite strengths. Crazy we got both on N64
@chrispy3051 I guess. I still respect OoT and without it, we wouldn't had more games like that and Majora's Mask as an sequel. I will always appreciated it. Even if I don't agree it's the best Zelda game or best game in general as most people claim and I prefer Majora's Mask way more because I feel it did what OoT does, but better.
I think things can be over hyped. Some fans get way too aggressive about the things they like or dislike. I am happy when people find something to enjoy even if it's not my thing.
You're gonna be writing those banana's off on your tax return.
Bioshock Infinite is the one that comes to mind as a game that is revered, but gets a lot of hate, but I still like quite a bit.
Good pick. Bioshock and Ocarina of Time are the best games ever made, in my opinion.
I was expecting to see a bloody bandage on the controller/gameplay scene, after the banna chopping scene.
Opinions often change over time also. Games I used to rank top tier has fallen while others I disregarded have risen. Not to mention core mechanics can change how a person views a series.
i played and beat OoT 2 times. I have no clue what the hype i about, and LoZ is my 2nd fav video game franchise
I believe all gta games are over rated because it brought a new genre into gaming, the criminal mentality into being acceptable in a fictional game being ok.
Well, Oot is overrated. But it's still a good game. It's just.... "Best game in the world"? Really? Oot makes a lot of the typical mistakes that most early 3D games are infamous for. Boring empty hubs (Hyrule Field is the worst offender in this regard), clunky interface (metal boots + water temple = worst dungeon experience), and the game suffers a lot from the "Where do I go next" syndrome. Like... Like when Sheik gives you a hint to go to Kakariko village to get the hookshot but it's actually not there but in the graveyard past the village. Here I am like an idiot wandering around Hyrule while Navi screams at you to go to the Forest temple, even though she's wrong. That's just a few examples of dumb game design that happens a lot.
There is no such thing as the "Best game in the world". Only what the game means to the individual.
Take your FF7 example. Anything that is a highly rated game seems to go through the same phases: hype, hate, nostalgia, becoming "retro", collectible
After it gets to nostalgia it can go instead to "remake/reboot" territory.
I was one of those 80s/90s kids who loved RPGs. By the time Earthbound was released I had beaten games like Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy 2 and 3, Illusion of Gaia, Breath of Fire, Lufia-all the “good” RPG releases of the time. I didn’t quite know what to make of Earthbound. It’s probably one of the first RPGs I started playing as a kid, but then abandoned partway through. Don’t get me wrong-I appreciated what it was doing at the time. But I guess my 15-year-old brain wanted something with a palpable fantasy or dungeons and dragons vibe. I am ashamed to say it, but I gave EB another go with the release of the SNES mini…and I abandoned it partway through again. 🍌 I intend to go back to it, and I know it’s a great RPG, but for some reason the game just doesn’t click with me. Great vid, as usual!
I've found that "overrated" as a term gets its most use in relation with particular entries in certain series. Specifically series that make stylistic, tonal or design shifts as the years go on. And it's usually for earlier games in a series, who adhered to the earlier design formats.
You end up in situations where early games cement themselves in gaming culture as "masterpieces" or "genre staples". But once enough time passes and series start moving away from their original styles, and gather new fans who are less interested in the older formats, you end up with subculture divides, where the new fans can't understand what made the old games so beloved, because the context those games came out in no longer exist, and the new fans become flummoxed because they feel their series have been subsumed out from under them by younger fans who can't connect with what they liked.
OOt still gets thrown around as the original 10/10 masterpiece, but for a lot of newer zelda fans, not only does that not track with their experiences with the game or series, but it actively conflicts with most of the design conventions and standards the current zelda series and modern gaming industry in general currently to. People say OOt still holds up, but those people tend to be (not exclusively are, just tend to be) people who played it when it originally came out or as children. because as someone who played it only recently as an adult, I would not agree in any way that it holds up to modern standards. It almost does, but is still very much an old game with old design sensibilities. And it should be fine for an older fan and a newer fan to disagree on that topic, but in OOt's case, you will very often be called stupid for even suggesting you thought the game wasn't enjoyable, and especially if you thought it wasn't enjoyable in comparison to a newer game.
I'd say thats really where "overrated" comes from. When enjoyment of a game stops being a subjective experience and starts being a subcultural requirement. The vast majority of "Over rated games" are older games or games in older series whose quality is generally taken for granted. For a lot of people, "overrated" means not living up to the promise of quality gaming subculture made, and being blamed for feeling that way. This isn't a hard rule, there are plenty of examples of people just thinking games are too highly rated and disliking exclusively on that metric. But I think in the case of games like the ones in this video, it really is more of a subcultural divide.
I really enjoyed reading your comment. We agree about older games in series being prime candidates for being called "overrated", but we disagree about Ocarina of Time. To me, having played all the games that came after it makes me think of things the newer games are either missing or that I feel Ocarina of Time did better. On the flip side, there's nothing that's been added to newer Zelda games that I feel makes Ocarina of Time lesser for not having (and in some cases they're things I appreciate OoT not having). That's probably where most Zelda fans would disagree with me.
Why would someone hold a classic game up to modern hardware standards?
@@alanfike I didn’t say hardware?
The banana jokes were an appealing addition to the video.
I really like what you said at the 1:06 mark. I did a video recently about my 5 favorite guitar solos of all time. Someone told me my list of MY favorites was null and void because it didn't include THEIR favorite LOL.
The only reason something can be seen as overrated, is if someone sees a ton of peoppe praise it a ton before that person experiences it. All that fan hype inflates your expectation so much. Even if it's just a general passing compliment, its added to your brain's "giant paint bubble of hype", so when you FINALLY sit down to read, watch, or play this thing you've heard so many people gush over, and it turns out to NOT be the most incredible and perfect thing your mortal eyes have ever beheld, it becomes a disappointment- even if it IS genuinely fantastic.
The opposite of this can happen too with something being "underrated" or "overlooked", if you try a game expecting it to be bad or having zero expectation, of course you're going to pick up on what's good about it and that will stand out to you.
The key to both of these things, the way to truly experience something untainted by the opinions of others influencing your expectations, is to just entirely shut out everyone's takes. But that's no fun. So if you hear someone saying "x sucks" or "y is perfect", just take it with a grain of salt. Maybe you'll agree with them, maybe you won't, but don't hang on to their opinion as the end-all-be-all "this is how everyone else feels about this thing and so therefore since I don't agree I must bash/defend it"
Imo I dont see retro games to be targets of being over or underrated. It was just a point of being a good or bad game back then. Games I consider to be overrated are games like Call of Duty or most EA sports games. Since they are basically the same game every time with new year added to them.
No kidding. They crank out CoD and sports games like it is a bodily function. Worse than that, people keep buying them up!
New here from @Gamejunction , Great stuff! Although I disagree with most of the games being overrated
It's great to have you here! Also, the idea was that I was making the case for why those three games aren't actually overrated and are indeed great games. So, looks like we agree!
@@RetroBirdGaming My list of most overrated gamers are as follows. 1_ Super Mario Bros. 2) Ocarina of Time 3) Super Metroid 4) Zelda: ALttP. I could write pages of text with actual reasons that aren't just words like 'vibes' or 'feels' but "because..." followed by information and not opinion and emotion..
Retro Bird, this has been maybe the funniest and best video I've ever seen of yours. And, counterpoint, I think people might use the term "overrated" to suggest a lack of sincerity, in the liking-its.
Or, actually, just more of an objective standard.
Glad you liked the video! Interesting point you bring up... hmm. I tend to believe people are very sincere when they say they like a game.
@@RetroBirdGaming Haha, that's a very optimistic sentiment. Thanks for the response!
😂 This is definitely in my top three favorite channels. That witness protection bit almost made me spew bubbly water out of my nose. Speaking of controversial! Saying bubbly water is good might get you a black eye with some people. And I think you might possibly love bananas more than me. I don’t let mine watch the neighbors out of the window. But maybe I should? My cat gets a kick out of it. I will say though that my potassium is through the roof! Good times.
I've never seen anyone eat a banana like that, and I've watched a LOT of people eat bananas. Subbed because of that visionary banana eating.....plus games n stuff...
Just a comment for the sake of commenting, because you deserve it. I love your style❤
Thanks!
Completely agree with your picks. Although I can understand why some people might bounce off of those games.
Except Ocarina, which is obviously a masterpiece and a perfect game. 😛
Zelda: OoT does NOT deserve the praise it so often gets. Time hasn't been kind to the N64 graphics and the quality of life stuff like faster text speed, skipable cutscenes, and game design that's clear on what you're supposed to do is severely lacking (especially when navigering Jabu-jabu's belly, the first phase of the Phantom Ganon fight and how to free King Zora is extremely cryptic, as is most of the side quests.
It was revolutionary and it's a definive classic, but it's not a 99/100 masterpiece
Some of us just want to take down things that people like to draw attention to ourselves. And then we turn 12.
Way to take on the tough subjects Retro Bird!
I love me some bananas. Just an easy to peel, easy to eat, great to mix in a milkshake, sweet fruit. Or is it technically a berry?
Zelda has the most... interesting fanbase and haters. It's almost at politics level.