Joe Rogan discusses the start of No-Gi Jiu Jitsu with Gordon Ryan & Mo Jassim
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2022
- Taken from JRE MMA Show #129 with Gordon Ryan and Mo Jassim. Check out full episode on Spotify.
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No Gi is more popular among younger people because it rewards athleticism. GI can allow lesser athletes to slow things down with grips.
As an older fat guy starting jiu jitsu... you're completely right.
I hated how hot the gi got. I hate feeling warm in general.
@@jontest5718 The gi is miserable
@@Getitstraightyo you get used to it
@@Getitstraightyo Not to mention the amount of plumbers crack I saw back when I studied jiu jitsu.
When talking about NoGi people always forget to mention Luta Livre. Back in the days it was popular in brazil like BJJ and practiced among poor people who couldn't afford a Gi... but when BJJ crossed the ocean and went big in the US , Luta Livre remained a more niche discipline and was than "absorbed" when NoGi became a thing
I was going to write this too. Respect to the great Alexandre Franca "Pequeno" Nogueira
Thanks for sharing this.
This is why I really like the internet and comment section.
Sure a lot of it can be bad/annoying. But getting this sort of information is so cool.
So, I was reading that Luta Livre actually just means “wrestling” Luta - Fight and Livre - Free.
I was reading that LL allows for techniques that BJJ doesn’t. Such as strikes.
But the wording in both articles I’m reading is awkward.
The other big difference is that LL allows for slams.
Is this accurate?
Just by definition Free Fighting makes it sound like absolutely everything can be used. But since it also means wrestling, I’d imagine strikes aren’t allowed, but I just got confused as two articles brought up striking.
Thanks for any reply.
@@notsoberoveranalyzer8264 as far as I know LL is an only grappling style. The one that allowed strikes was Vale Tudo (meaning everithing is allowed) and it was a primitive form of MMA
Luta Livre is just catch wrestling. Even was founded by a catch wrestler.
Damn the fact that Gordon fuckin Ryan started jiu jitsu in 2011 is insane! Starting out as a brand new noob and less than a decade later he’s the undisputed best in the world and by now he’s unanimously the GOAT of No-Gi.
he trains 24/7
Keep in mind, he's never had to hold a job outside of training. So he's able to dedicate his whole life to the sport.
@@mattjudy6780 Excuses
All it took was a decade of steroid use
? steroid use? lol lies
The gi vs no gi argument is silly to me. Just train what you enjoy. They both have pros and cons. I personally train both.
Being well rounded >
Exactly, people trash one or the other for what reason? 😂
For anyone curious, apparently Eddie Cummings stopped training bjj, he got a rich girlfriend and got into finance. He didn’t like the egos and attitudes in bjj apparently. Which is interesting because I would’ve thought finance would have some horrific personality’s
True except finance actually pays well so easier to put with the egos lol
@@mattj962 big facts
@@mattj962 that’s true haha
Making money is awesome.
I thought he went back to do post grad work. His injuries were racking up plus he started older. What a career though
Longest running competitors today is probably Renzo Gracie, Sakuraba, Megaton, Helvecio Pena, Ricardo Herriot, Fábio Clemente…
clemente and renzo don't compete anymore. Fabio has never won anything notable either. Helviecio Pena and Megaton are the longest but masters
@@MBsr5 Renzo competed in professional MMA just 3-4 years ago in Japan. Fábio Clemente has won a couple of big Gi & NoGi tournaments in IBJJF.
@@anoshsheytan i don’t think you understand the question or my answer
@@MBsr5 I don’t think it was phrased as a question
@@quaylenlykes5511 the question was asked by Joe. The answer, statement made in that here comment is inaccurate.
No gi in the late 90s and early 00s was popular. Grapplers quest, naga etc were really popular
Yeah, they're just talking BS. A lot of these guys don't know the history
I did Naga nogi in 95 or 96. Amazing how rogan doesn’t even know shit. Kimo Royce I recall around 5 minutes,
Erikson was 295 and 45 minutes into facing Murillo it was called draw.
The show was MARs.
Rogan zooshitsu no good
@@ransakreject5221 It'snot amazing at all. Rogan is a moron who knows how to bullshit and sound like he knows what he's talking about. Plus all the weed he smokes has made him even dumber.
Grapplers Quest man that’s been a min hahaha yes we did no gi all the time in 2000
Xande is the guy with more adcc appereances, and has 20 years competing as a black belt.
I remember, Ben!!!! He came to our academy and nobody knew until years later. Flash back...whoa.
Cyborg has to be up there in terms of longest running competitors at a high level. He's 42.
Galvao has been higher level competitor and longer! Cyborg is older but not nearly as accomplished as Galvao.
Silver medal in sexual assault as well
He cant be that high level since Brenda Schaub shut him down easily
He's always losing at high level
@@woahblackbetty7691 You'd be surprised baba.
Longest running competitor gotta be megaton
That’s what I thought as well. Saulo Ribeiro is still going strong in the Masters Divisions as well.
Eddie Bravo deserves a lot of credit for the success of nogi jj
He really doesn't, I mean sure he developed the game A LOT, Eddie added a lot of new techniques to no gi, but it was already snow balling in popularity before Eddie made a name for himself.
If Eddie never did Jiu Jitsu, we would still have guys like Gordan Ryan.
That said, Eddie in my favourite no gi competitor of all time because the man is not even athletic.. just pure talent.
I couldn't watch Jiu Jitsu with the Gi. No-Gi is awesome, especially as someone who did Greco-Roman Wrestling when I was younger, it's so similar only real difference being Pins vs Submissions. The whole concept of having fundamentals of the Sport revolve around clothing always bothered me, No-Gi is the way.
Lutta livre was existing in Brazil for poor people that can not afford a gi.
Lutta Livre was Brazilian Catch Wrestling. It was for everyone. Whereas BJJ/Judo was not for the absolute poor.
Jiu-jitsu badass with a PhD in physics disappears and they've not heard from him? Sounds like they should ask Mike Baker 🤣
I did nogi NAGA in the mid 90’s.
Many of us did. Adcc started years after nogi
Walt Bayless/ Chris Brennan/ Greg Jackson were all running No GI gyms as early as 1994.
You trained under Walt didn't you Justin? Meant to be a phenomenal grappler for some reason doesn't seem to get the credit I think he deserves. Plus nogi has always been around in brasil in the form of Luta livre which is give or take pretty much nogi translated in Portuguese
@@Slymo11 Yes, I trained under Walt. He was unreal on the mats, and you're 100 percent correct on the Lute Livre. I had forgotten that when posting my comment. Well put.
yeah, I walked into Greg's in ABQ in June 2000 to start training and he already had a no-gi competition team (Keith Jardine, Kyle Seals, Thomas Schulte, etc...). I was only there for four years (I was active duty, and OEF/OIF was a thing), but I did probably 6 or 7 no-gi tournaments with those guys, including a few Grappler's Quests. Those were the days, before the UFC blew up and became a real sport....
When did Dean Lister start teaching it?
Wellington Megaton Dias is 54 years old and has been competing continuously as a black belt for about 36 years now. His daughter is a good UFC fighter too.
I could be wrong but I don't think he's gone a full year without competition for over 30 years and enters regular divisions against young guys in their prime.
He also doesn’t do NO GI very much. No Gi Training = injury
Megaton is special, though. He’s a coral belt with a third-degree black in Judo. One of the best players to ever live.
Gordon went totally gray since last I saw him. Time flies I guess.
He colored it lol
He's 28, that's not a natural grey lol
“ Who wants to watch two hours of jujitsu?“
Uh… me!
Craig Kukuk was teaching nogi classes on the East coast. His partner Renzo was teaching gi classes. Craig was the original.
That Royce vs Kimo fight is only like 5 minutes. It's a wild 5 minutes tho with groin strikes, hair grabbing, cage door opening and people on the outside getting right onto the cage.
I love watching 6 hour jiu jitsu
I can’t reach the back of my head. *reaches back of head
That's pure grappling perfection I want to see
Quick question. How did you not get a copyright claim for your JRE video? I have tried to upload a clip and I get a claim from SuperBam, Inc. who say they own the rights to the JRE vrideo.
I did get a claim but it wasn’t blocked. Maybe cause I put in the description where I got the clip from
@@jonahgrigoryan I did the same and kept getting blocked and a claim. I fought it but CZcams said that they had full rights over the content. probably some sleezy people trying to steal Rogans content.
@@CRYPTOFIT did u create your own thumbnail or just used the clips as is, I think that matters too
Where do we see the full podcast
Spotify
Need that shirt Rogan is wearing. Wish I knew where he got it
3:00 this is why I’m thinking of quitting. I love bjj and the benefits, but 2nd rib fracture later and a nerve damage issue in my knee where my toe is numb has me thinking I don’t want long term issues for a hobby.
You are not training rite. I trained with Helio Gracie in 1995 he was in late 80s and HEALTHY!! Get back into your Gi. No gi is for the birds.
Pretty much everyone gets fucked up training BJJ.
@@6nosis interesting comment, we are no gi only at my gym. That makes a difference?
@@NexxGenDrue monitor training intensity and get in the gym and lift to help keep injuries at bay
@@NexxGenDrue Gi reduces injury. Just because you have more grips = more control
Man I love no time limit and I consider myself as a super casual fan
Wow that’s so cool I’m sure everyone was wondering.
2/10 troll harder next time
The fight they might be talking about with Royce is him vs. Ken Shamrock that lasted past the PPV time and went to a draw. Kimo wasn't a long fight at all by todays standards.
pretty sure it was with the "gracie killer"
If UFC had no time limit, Nick and Nate Diaz would both have championships
if me aunt had balls - if you cant win in 15 or 25 minutes of fight time.....they are pot heads who dont lift weights.
@@amirkazemi2517 P
@@amirkazemi2517 lifting weights? You don't need to lift weights to be a fighter.
@@mistersonnen848 Jon Jones deadlifts 700lbs & he is the goat. would you rather fight a stronger MMA fighter or a weaker MM Fighter? would you rather fight 5 full rounds or 10 full rounds or finish the fight early
Nate Diaz never won after 5 rounds
These lads don't know their history. No-Gi jiu-jitsu started in the favelas of Brazil because people didn't have the money to afford a gi and they called it "Luta Livre" and Luta-Livre and The Gracies' had a decades long blood feud because The Gracies considered it disrespectful to take their Martial Art and not follow the tradition of wearing the gi.
I forget the term but remember things can pop up different places different times with no involvement with each other
They're talking about when it became popular. It's not like nobody did it at all what so ever until the 90s.
Sure just ignore that the founder of Luta Livre was a Catch Wrestler and based the sport on Catch. And that Catch Wrestling has existed since the late 1800s. Just ignore it. Luta Livre comes from BJJ. You know what, all submission grappling comes from BJJ. The submissions in ancient Greece? Yep. Came from BJJ. Pankration? The Spartans? You better believe the Gracies trained those guys.
You is a good example of knowing zero history of J J .The BJJ start in Manaus capital of the Amazon State has nothing whatsoever any connection with luta livre . First law when you as a white belt The Master would say loud and clear was. Here punching is not allowed . Jack read or ask people who really knows
LL is not jj it is from catch
The longest Royce fight was with Sakuraba in 2000 and before in 93 that Dan Servant.
Was Dan Servant and it took almost 15 minutes . Servant was most of the fight on top , punching and throwing everything at Royce . Than it happen he somehow got a leg around his head push his head down with the help of his kimono pants on a head choke
Angle the mat 20 degrees...you have new champion
I like the NoTimeLimit matches.
it started with catch wrestling and luta livre
Royce vs Sakaraba was a long fight.
Love THIS podcast!
Isn't no gi the same as submission wrestling which has been around for a while? Confused 🤔
It is, they wanna pretend like it's a new thing when they're just stealing from sub wrestling like luta livre
Catch Wrestling is the original Nogi
I felt that bad posture part 😅😅😅😅😅
The PPVs were going off before the fights were over
he was probably thinking of royce vs. sakuraba
I'd love to learn that style but I'm way to old and sick anymore.
Royce has a hour match with either Sakuraba or that Judo gold medalist. One or the other. It wasn’t kimo
No time limit matches don't prove who's better in bjj it's just a cardio game. Most of the time a lot of nothing is going on while they wait for the other person to get tired. No sport that has zero time limit is actually interesting to watch after the first 35 minutes
i wounder why they don't give luta any credit
We used to train no gi in Rio back in the 90s. 9 to 12h ever Saturday. There must surely be pictures out there of people training no gi in Rio 30 years ago. How do you guys think we could train during the day on summer in Rio folks!?
Im a gi guy i train both, but nogi is just better for a defense situation or pro fight. Gi is just fun for competition
PhD I. Physics dude said fuck it
Megaton Is the longest competitor
Nope. The Gracies were training no-gi at least part of the time decades before this. When I attended the Gracie Academy as an instructor candidate in 1998, a significant number of the more advanced classes were already without the gi.
And NAGA had nogi bjj as early as 95.
Nogi in competition existed years befire ADCC. That’s why adcc was started. I did Naga in 96.
Adcc was started to see who’s best at this new sport that was going on.
And Royce kimo I recall as around 5 min,
Erikson Vs Murillo was 45 min and in MARS.
These poseurs are newbs
Wouldn't surprise me I think I read Rolls Gracie trained at times without a gi and had friends in Luta livre which is essentially nogi
No-gi summers
@@Slymo11 He also trained with a variety of wrestlers, there are even photos of him in a singlet.
@@BadgerBJJ Exactly.
Royce match was against Sakuraba
Some super athletes
Gordon sounds like Ben Shapiro.
Now I can’t unhear it
Why have you done this to me
Omg soooooo true!!!
Gordon Ryan sounds like a goth lol
Um what would you do if they are saying crazy things when they see you on there cell phones ?
Take your pills
ROSIMAR PALHARES (Toquinho).
Not once you are 40 it’s once you are 30 …
Yep: can't hold baby for more than 10 minutes without back pain, sleep with a pillow between my legs, many shoulder injuries, now the back/hip injuries are coming through & that's just 17-odd years of martial arts
Oh shit thats motar2k
How is that man 27 years old
Royce vs Sakuraba was 90 mins maybe he’s thinking of that
I'm young and I like Gi. I like the gi becuz some of our street clothes are similar to the Gi.
bro what is motar2k doing here 😂
Why is the audio so out of sync
its not out of sync. just watched it
@@jonahgrigoryan it is out of sync.
I watched it on spotify and thought it was a bit out of sync
@@jonahgrigoryan Looks like you've been exposed, you out of sync cur!
Who is he?
3:33 27 years old 😮 damn thought he was 40
Is it just me or does it sound like they should be worried about Eddie Cummings , dude with the white hair makes me think he killed his ass or suhm he tried to brush right past that shit , and he said he “was” good at bjj , idk maybe I’ve had to much coffee
The guy with the white hair is Gordon Ryan.. a legend.
Bjj can have some insular circles & Eddie was close to those guys until he left.
He was a smart cookie; I'm sure he's alright.
@@merkins87 I hope so
@@Mushimiya yeah done my research this morning I’m a Muay Thai practitioner, my bjj knowledge is very small , I’ve seen many people call him the best of his time , 57 - 0 since 2018 , watched some of his highlights too , very complex guy , his ability to maneuver out of certain locks are insane
Imagine khabib without time limits. so many times a good grappler has someone down and the person on bottom is just holding on till the end of the round.
Nobody wants to watch two guys grapple for 15-25 minutes.
@@poleag Flograppling is basically that. Ryan vs Pena 45 minutes.
It would make it more about ability and less about entertainment. That's the point.
@@joshdorrance8821 I mean I do really enjoy those matches even if they are 30 minutes plus. It is awesome to see top grapplers go at esch other and see the details and their perfected craft.
Khabib would not stand out at the adcc
No Gi is more practical for real life
So is your mom.
People don't walk around shirtless or in rashguards often. It's all situational if I'm on a beach sure. If it's fall or winter I'm choking you with that sweater and heavy jacket you have on...lol. l
Wrong
@joshwilliams6517 Wrong? A GI is almost like a suit blazer plus the pants are baggy, how many fights are you getting into with someone in a suit? No GI is more practical for the reason that a compression shirt is more like a t-shirt which most people you encounter would be wearing
@@NoSnowFlakes1 too many words. YOU ARE WRONG AND CLEARLY HAVE NO REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE.
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GOAT
Any grappling is hard on the body and you really feel in in your 40s!
Gordon Ryan started in 2014, fml
No gi , no time limit, submission only, combat Jui Jitsu , No Weight class
As an onlooker, if I had to use my imagination, I would say no Gi would be the way I would want to fight.
27? Wtf
Why did the dude hide his identity?
Cool
“No-gi jiu jitsu” is not new everybody. Neither is “brazillian jiu jitsu”. It’s all bullshit. Submission grappling has been around for thousands of years, catch wrestling for hundreds. Brazilians just came along and took credit for a Japanese martial art that they “modified”.
This clip is a bit misleading though unless you listen to the whole podcast. But you're right. It sounds like it was "invented" in the 90's. Gladiators were doing this ish in the Roman Coliseum. Tool-less cavemen "NoGi" their food. 🤣 Yeah. Modern name, old art.
This guy is 27?! 3:28
The early days of UFC didn't have time limits? They were 33 minutes max, Joe literally works there. And these guys are talking like "nogi" didn't exist when it's submission wrestling that has been around since the start of history, the Olympics were sub wrestling til 1920 and AAU til 1927. Jiujitsu and luta livre fought massive battles over gi vs nogi, catch wrestling, shoot wrestling in Japan, Pehlwani in India etc. What kinda garbage is this?
Gordon will beat galvao
You called it.
Why did he hide his identity back when no one knew who he was?
You should watch the whole episode on Spotify
@@jonahgrigoryan oh gotcha. Thx I'll check it out
i respect gi bjj but in reality it inferior to no gi.. no gi is the most practical and useful meaning its the best to translate to mma or a street fight/self defense situation. Gi bjj focuses so much of the moves on the gi itself like grabbing the collar and sleeves etc and obviously you dont wear a gi in an mma competition or a street fight. what are you gunna do tell the guy youre fighting in the street hold on a second we need to put on these robes real quick lol.. I had a buddy who had just got into bjj and he was telling me how he wanted to do it for self defense etc and i was like then why are you doing gi? do no-gi and i provided all the reasons above plus more and he proceeded to argue with me like saying no gi doesnt do belts.. which first off who cares if they do or dont but they do and he kept arguing until he said maybe i wanna do bjj for different reasons... and literally what it boiled down to was the fact he wanted to do gi bjj because he wanted to wear a gi purely for the looks and looking cool... I have another buddy who got into gi bjj and he would wear the sweatshirt from his gym that said MMA on it anytime he knew we would be somewhere where there was gunna be a lot of people lol... i think a lot of people who do gi bjj today do it because theyre insecure and want to look cool and they dont do it for the purity and love of the sport and the mental/phyiscal/emotional/spiritual aspects...
You wrote a whole novel to spew an opinion of one's prettiness in a gi. Choose whatever you enjoy going. Period. However? The Gi as with clothes, that people around me wear all the time, offers realism in a "street fight"/self defense situation. To think otherwise is ridiculous. Grab a tee, grab their jacket, shirt? Same ramifications as a Gi wearing partner. Actually been a street fight of actual notoriety?
Lol
@@Capius1272 lemme guess you’re a gi bjj cultist?? I wrote a novel of facts and those facts triggered you because you’re sensitive and you responded with something petty… btw there’s a difference between clothes and a bath robe bro lol… I’ve experienced violence at the most extreme as well as seen things and been through things you couldn’t fathom or handle.. good night buddy.
@@JackHenryKane you a gi bjj cultist huh?
@@Killacam1992 Nah, I think your friends are dumb and that might say something considering your opinion is stating people who train/trained in a gi will not have transferrable skills to MMA, a street fight or No-gi. There are so many examples of guys who competed and trained in a Gi at the highest level (IBJJF) and also competed in No gi and been World champions at THE highest in No-gi , take for examples Marcus Buchecha/ who is a multi-time world campion in Gi and No-gi (ADCC), on top of that he is now fighting MMA and is starching the competition in One Championship. Nicholas Meragali another example, I could go on and on. Clearly you know zero about jiu jitsu, respectfully.
No gi the way to only train. Lots of people train bjj for self defense. No one on the streets wear gi. I think gi is very dum. Mma fighters don't fight with gi . Who cares what people think. No gi the only way to train. Gi overrated.
@@bassbndt wow you’re stupid.. “I can guarantee you’re not going to get into a street fight against somebody not wearing clothes”… 🤦🏻♂️ no one trains no gi naked.. you wear a rash guard.. a rash guard is a long sleeve and pants.. that’s actual clothes… a gi is a robe.. you do not wear robes in a street fight.. you do not wear a gi in the ufc or in mma.. gi bjj also focuses on using the gi in its submissions which is stupid because that does not translate because you do not wear a gi in an mma fight and you do not wear a robe in street fight.. and it’s also stupid because grappling is about manipulating someone’s body not their clothes.. all facts.. and therefore the facts literally prove no gi is superior 100%… I can guarantee you don’t even train and have never been in a fight yourself and you have a low Iq.
@@Killacam1992 A rash guard is not equivalent to clothing one would wear on the street… in fact it is infinitely closer to being topless than wearing an actual clothing item. A jacket or thick shirt would function in the same way the grips of a gi do, that is the entire point. You’re facts are not facts by the way, they are opinions. Maybe brush up on your vocabulary before you continue making a fool of yourself on the internet.
@@Killacam1992 Also, you were quite quick to fall back on the classic “I bet you don’t do X I bet you don’t do Y you must have a low IQ you’re stupid” etc. Funny enough, it is “fact” that these self conscious retorts are one of the primary indicators of one’s own lack of intelligence (also known as low IQ). There’s a “fact” for you to ponder. Stop projecting - individuals like yourself are a terrible look for our sport.
"dum"
Gi is like wearing a saddle for people to hold on and stay on top. I hate it. It's also like wearing a noose around your neck. I hate wasting my time learning shit like lapel chokes and I hate that I even learn to defend it because I will never be choked like that by anyone in the real world. It honestly feels like a waste of time. Collar chokes are BS
I do find no gi easier, but to say gi doesn't have any carry over to real life i don't think is true. The problem is a gi makes it quite a lot easier to choke someone out than say a hoodie, so unless you're doing gi at a high level you might struggle
Bjj with no time limit makes no sense
Ju jitsu is gay
Your mom is ugly
mortar2k. Mo Jassim is mortar2k. The guy that donated those huge, $10K, $5K, donations to pashaBiceps / Shroud / sodapoppin. Not that it would ever come up in this podcast, but it was so weird to watch this podcast and know the history of mortar2k.
how are you lol its Mo
@@adcc-official when you will donate to Pasha again my friend?
Motar2k on JRE? Woah
NoGi BJJ is more like wrestling to me plus its boring to watch compared to Gi matches