Well done for providing such a clear overview of what is quite a complex and emotive subject. I moved permanently to the area in 2020 so benefitted from the old arrangements regarding residency. Having said that, I will definitely recommend this video to other people who own property. I am so glad you would still do it again as I absolutely adore Spain and do not have a single regret. All the best to you both! Hasta luego!
Thank you so much Andrew for you nice comments and recommending our video to others who may Benefit from it. That’s what it’s all about for us, to recommend and inform others through our experiences. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
Hi Susan, thanks very much for watching and taking the time to comment. Hope you find plenty more to watch.....this playlist is good for people interested in spending time or living in Spain. czcams.com/play/PLK3oYDMqNX-7xPZHOjJ4osLGal9EVk-uk.html All the best Mike and Yvonne.
Just came across your channel.what a great video. Don’t forget Andorra is not part of the 90/180 - it’s a great place to enjoy for 14 days and to disrupt your 90 day stay ! It’s good value there, stunning views and healthy !
Hi Martin, Andorra is a place we have never been, would love to visit sometime. I never went into detail about travelling in the Schengen area and staying longer than the 90 days but your suggestion of hiding away in a non Schengen country for a few weeks to extend the period would be a good one. We may do that in a future video. Thanks for the info, watching and commenting. Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
A few days ago the French Senate and Assemblée Nationale passed a law permitting UK property owners in France to spend 180 days in and 180 days out of France, which changes the equation quite drastically. It means the whole 6 months of winter, or summer, can now be considered. Details are still to be thrashed out, but it is likely Spain will follow this 180 day initiative. My wife and I became residents of France, but if we decide to revert to being non residents, this 180 day block would be most acceptable.
Hi Duncan, yes this would be great if Spain could also manage to get the same result for UK property owners. They are trying and want it to happen so fingers crossed...Thanks for watching and for your information. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
Hi Mark, yes it seems to work well although someone has informed me on this video that it can be a little temperamental. I suppose it’s best to double check just in case. Thanks for watching and commenting, all the best, Mike and Yvonne.
Loved the way you explained that, clear and informative. We have a holiday home in La Carihuela Costa Del Sol and have been scratching our heads as to how best to spend our time there.
Hi Carole, thanks for you comment. The calculator is great for working out the time as it is not straightforward when the 180 window is rolling. All the best, Mike and Yvonne
This may not currently apply for UK citizens, but coming from Australia we can actually spend at least 270 days in 12 months in Spain (or many other EU countries). We use the Bilateral Visa-waiver Agreement after the Schengen time runs out. 90-days of Schengen stay, then you may apply for a visa-waiver stay another 3 months (only for one country). After that you must leave the Schengen-zone countries for 90 days, after which you can return for another 90-days Schengen visa.
That sound very interesting Peter, let's hope the UK can adopt a similar agreement. At the moment we haven't got it. To us, it seems unfair for UK citizens to be Spanish second homeowners and to have to put up with paying all their taxes, and supporting the economy and then have to go back after 90 days and then having to wait another 90 days before they can return to their own property. Lots have reluctantly sold up. Thanks for watching and your comments. Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
@@BetweenTheLakes I have since found out that Spain no longer is a party to the Bilateral visa-waiver, so we would need to exit to somewhere else like Morocco for 3 months (not too harsh an action) before returning to Spain to continue
I don’t know if you remember me I used to comment on your videos about coming to see my nan I’m Spain last year sadly it didn’t happen just to flight getting cancelled. BUT JUST BOOKED FLIGHT FOR THIS YEAR!!!! hopefully you’ll be out there when we are; we’re going out beginning of august
Hi Charlie, Thanks for watching and commenting. Great news that you are coming this year after a long absence due to covid. We will be there in April and May and again in September till end of November. Hope you have a great time
I used same calculator last year and this year. Had 73 days away the last 6 months of last year in 3 holidays and 33 days so far this year. Hoping Spain will reciprocate and agree to match what we give Spanish when they visit the UK (ie 180 in 360 with poss 180 in one break) Cheers guys !
Hi Mark, Seems we are all on the same wavelength. Hoping that we get a reciprocal agreement to be a little more free with our lengths of stay. The Valencian community want it to happen and are trying to do things so let's keep our fingers crossed. Thanks for watching and commenting. Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
Great little video Mike and Yvonne. I think that the Spanish government will come up with a solution. As with all of these agreements, they are never thought through properly and we are the ones who are at the disadvantage. I would have also still bought in Spain. It would not have put me off at all. Well done as always
Thanks David, hope you are well. Yes we are hoping things will change. The Valencian community are keen to get it resolved from what we have seen. So fingers crossed. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
@@BetweenTheLakes yes indeed. I think something will happen, but it may not be for a while as I think Europe has a bit more to worry about right now. After the last two and a half years for the Covid situation is nothing compared to what is happening in Ukraine. It is truly Heart breaking. Stay safe
Sorry, no cherry-picking. The UK is a 3rd country. We need to respect the decisions of the UK people. It's hard to see how Spain can grant a special deal without leaving the Schengen area itself, which it won't do.
We don’t think the British people were told the full story otherwise they wouldn’t have voted the way they did. We voted remain with the other 48 percent so we are entitled to be sore losers especially when we pay our taxes here, and have a second home that we can’t use whenever we want because of it. Thanks for commenting but we do get annoyed by it.
@@BetweenTheLakes I fully understand your frustration and the new inconvenience of being a 3rd country national. It's no different to anyone else from outside the EU/ EEA/ CH. British people were and still are incredibly ignorant about the EU and frankly too many pro-EU voters decided to stay home and watch Eastenders, rather than go out and vote in a critical vote. Wishing you continued success with the channel.
Great video - very helpful and well presented as always .Great idea to use the calculator really useful info. Thank you both very much for putting this together it must take a lot of time and work . Super to have a place in Torrevieja glad you would do it again ...right choice ! keep well Philip
Hi Philip, yes we were not put off by the 90 day rule we love Spain too much. We are supporting an increase to 180 days the same as we give EU. The Valencian community is looking at ways to increase the 90 days so fingers crossed. Thanks for watching and commenting. Best wishes Mike and Yvonne
I would hope that a group be set up in Spain, a kind of peaceful protest group to shed light to the Spanish Government on the unfairness of these 90 a break and then 90 day stay in Spain. WE own a property in Spain, pay our taxes even when not allowed to stay in Spain. Law abiding, spend money on shopping, buying goods for our homes, eating out in Restaurants, the list goes on. Could or should the question be asked or suggested that home owners be exempt from this law. Maybe a fee for this right, not a very big fee and therefore make things very fair.
Hi Paul, Happy new year to you and your family. Yes, we agree 100% and hope that the efforts currently being made by the Spanish Government, headed by the Tourism Minister will prompt something. It does help to contact your local politicians in your area of Spain so they have something to fight our case. There is a Facebook group called 180 days in Spain which have many template letters you can use to do this, they are all downloadable from the group. I think you would be a valuable asset to the group, have a look and see what you think. (facebook.com/groups/262193501837073) Thanks for watching and your comments, Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
Hi , I would be less inclined to show your UK house as it may encourage some unwanted visitors who know you are away in Spain for weeks at a time .. just saying.
It saddens me a lot that you cannot enjoy my country as much as you would like. But it is a reality that is there and against which little can be done.
I think the Spanish government has to resolve this issue. Their treasury will be the beneficiary of all those extra taxes and spending by the British. If you read the 180 days in Spain Facebook group you can see that many Brits have complained to their MP's and all the replies are the same - nothing can be changed, 180 days was not negotiated in the Brexit withdrawal agreement. Britain's economic interest is for us to stay home and spend our money here. Its up to Spain to come up with a solution; maybe a 180 day tourist visa?
We are hoping for something to happen from the Spanish Government, hopefully a reciporicle agreement the same as what we give all the EU countries in the UK, which is 180 days in 360 instead of 90 days in 180. Yvonne and I would be very happy with that.
Hi Yvonne and Mike - as always a great video! - I have question (goes back to an older video of yours) - and it's about the non-resident tax and your experiences related to doing the taxation online. - you mentioned that you had made a video of the process - I can't find it, is it because you reconsidered or am I just not good enough to locate the video :-) ? Br Michael
Hi Michael, Yes we did say we were doing a video on our experience of doing the non resident tax form online. We have the information, we did the forms ourselves but so far we haven’t done the episode. We still plan will do it, and we will do it soon. Events can sometimes change the order in which we do the episodes. You couldn’t find it because we haven’t done it yet. Sorry for the delay but it will be done soon. Thanks for watching and commenting, best wishes Mike and Yvonne.
Hi Mike And Yvonne thank you for a very informative blog. You sound like you have a plan to get back out and use your time wisely. We are going to have to be organised like yourselves to make the most of our holiday home in the future as we are still working . Just got back home yesterday and the travelling is easier without any testing required so things are getting back to normal slowly. Hope to see you soon in Torrevieja will buy you both a drink. Annie & Keith
Thanks Annie and Keith, we will be back in April sometime. Waiting to see if our daughter needs any help with her new baby due end of this month. Normally we would be there now. Anyway we may bump into you sometime, you never know. All the best Mike and Yvonne
Hi Mike & Yvonne! Being from the Netherlands I don't have any of these restrictions. I can imagine the frustration though if you own property in Spain (or any other European Shengen country). You would have to plan very carefully. It's not fair. I will gladly sign any petition for you to get equal rights!
Thank you so much Janny for your support and understanding of us Brits that did not want to leave the EU. It will not put us off visiting our holiday home. We will have to continue to plan a little more carefully but we will be coming for years to come as we love Spain. Thanks for watching and your nice comments. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
Yes Andrew I understand that was the case, but From what I understand it was overshadowed by the free movement of people and no one seemed to implement it. It is all very confusing with the European Union and Schengen with some countries in both and some countries in just one. Thanks for watching and commenting, best wishes Mike and Yvonne
Absolutely correct for pointing this out Andrew, I have an Irish passport (non Schengen) but even as an EU citizen if I want to stay longer than 3 months I need Spanish residency - which I now have .The UK was exactly the same before Brexit it was just that it was never enforced at spanish border control so people never bothered to get residency. Its misleading to say its Brexit that changed the rule ,it's not, the rule was always there before Brexit for non Schengen citizens but not enforced. Freedom of movement as an EU citizen does not and never did give you the right to stay longer than 3 months in Spain.
@@BetweenTheLakes perhaps a foot note or edit to this video would be a good idea re my note below and Andrews comment above if you want it to be factually correct - good video all the same, I have used the shengen calc many times for my wife (UK passport) before she also got residency
@@colmcd8143 Thanks for your input. It has always been a bit of a grey area to me the way that, before Brexit, the rule was never enforced. I’m sure you are right but nobody did anything did they…Thanks for commenting. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
@@colmcd8143 the rule was always there but it was never enforced towards Brits. It was enforced if you were from a 3rd country and I know that as a matter of fact. So Brexit did change the enforceability of the rule as now the UK is a third country
Hi Mike & Yvonne. That was really interesting thanks. We’ve a holiday home in Sucina not far from Torrevieja. We’re both still working for the next two years so the 90 days don’t affect us yet. Hopefully after this awful situation in the Ukrainian 🇺🇦 settles down and we some sort of peace and normality we can start talking with the EU again about the 90 day rule? Can’t Europeans come to the U.K. for 180 days? Take care cheers Stevie x
Hi Stevie, yes we give the EU six months in 12 months. It would be nice for them to give us the same. We will wait and see what happens, as you say the Ukraine situation will overshadow everything for quite a while now, as kit should of course. Thanks for watching, all the best, Mike and Yvonne
Another byproduct of the 180/12 rule is the higher risk of squatting (Okupas). Unlike the UK, there is no real protection for private owners in Spain as they law support Okupas. Should you be in that situation, expect to get your house back in about 12 months. Another video on this?
Hi JM, it's a very emotive subject and, we think would be better covered by an expert in law. We could only give our experience and personal view which would be much like most other people. It seems grossly unfair that a property owned by someone who leaves it empty for any length of time could be open to "attack" by these mostly undesirable people and not be able to remove them if they remain undetected for more than 48 hours. This is really all we know about it and maybe, one day we will research and tackle it. Thanks for watching and best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
Nobody is retiring to Spain anymore, the non reciprocated 90vs180 day rule is typical of the UK not looking after it’s own people. Portugal is welcoming British people with dedicated immigration lanes a stamp free entry. Why would they want to discourage their best customers.
Hi Michael, it's interesting about Portugal. There is lots of work being done to try and change this. The Valencian authorities are keen for a change in the current situation as they know British non-resident property owners are feeling victimised especially when they voted to remain in the EU. But unfortunately that's how it is now. We love Spain so we are doing our best to just get on with it as best we can and hope there will be something to make things better for us. Thanks for watching and your comment. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
Thanks for another informative video. I heard today (on the grapevine, so I cannot vouch for its authenticity) that Portugal are refusing to stamp UK passports as they want to attract UK tourism. if this is correct, then, theoretically, it may be possible to fly into Portugal then travel onward to spain without the incumbrance of the 90 day rule. worthy of more investigation.
Hi David, wow that's interesting, not heard anything. As you say would be a good way in and out if it is correct. Worth further investigation for sure. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
That's not true. They are stamping the passports. Every passport leaving and entering the Schengen Area is scanned anyway, so they know where and when you entered the area and when you left.
yep my friend because of brixt inow have to be pack house on the fly with 100 kg wieght because even get uk gov form in to Austria is 6 weeks because of brixt it not like it use to be turn up start work i get lots of brixt paperwork i have the basic paperwork but 66 million people had vote if i had work one year with out this nightmare ! i now have sti 2 week in class to re do my uk work qualification in full on Germany because of 66 million people have say over my life so i no wot your talk about
Hi Andrease, yes, big changes since BREXIT and lots of people affected in many different ways, work-wise and leisure-wise. We are hoping for a change in the 90/180 rule but we are not holding our breath. Thanks for watching and for your comment, best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
Hi Heidi, yes I understand that. It’s a shame for the 48 percent of the UK that voted to stay. It was a big shock to us when the other 52 percent voted to leave. We are stuck with it for now. We can only hope the people who bought property in Spain and pay all their taxes and community fees, electric and bank fees etc. before Brexit may sometime in the future be able to visit when ever they like. We will live in hope. As we said in the episode we love Spain and it’s people. Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
Hi Mike and Yvonne me and my wife are planning on moving to the Costa Blanca next year, we are coming out this year and staying two weeks in Cabo Roig to look round the surrounding areas of La Zenia, Playa Flamenca Villa Martin etc, could you recommend any good areas that have a good ex pat community as we are very social people.
Hi Smashing Iron, thanks for watching and commenting. We can only speak with confidence about the areas we know and have spent time in. We have spent time in the Playa Flamenca and La Zenia areas which we believe have a substantial British ex-pat community. So have Ciudad Quesada, San Luis and El Chaparral which are a little nearer where we are. We would always say have a good look around yourselves and spend time seeing if you like what you see well enough to commit to that area full time. That's exactly what we did and it took us several trips and many estate agents before we decided on where we are now. Have you seen our episode on buying in Spain: czcams.com/video/vBll7m-aOz4/video.html Thanks for watching and commenting, all the best with your search. Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
@@BetweenTheLakes thanks for the reply yes I’ve seen your buying in Spain clip, I’ve also been in contact with sun lawyers apparently I will get charge tax in Spain on my uk property if I sell my house in the uk and then buy in Spain, I have to wait 185 days before buying so I’m going to rent over there first. Are you going to be over in July could meet up for a drink 😁🍺
@@mckenna1976 Hi Smashing Iron, Yes renting first would be a good way of finding the right spot to make your permanent move. We are going in April but we come back to the UK for July and August then back in September. This year has been different because our daughter is expecting our 6th grand child so we are stopping longer to help out. We'll be back in September for a good few weeks so if you're around then let us know. All the best, Mike and Yvonne.
Hi MrHotAss81, thanks for watching...The UK did leave the EU at 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020 (00:00 1 February 2020 CET) not sure where you are from but we unfortunately left it.
Hi Philip, Thanks for watching, there are many visas to get residency. The favourite on especially for people retiring to Spain is the Non Lucrative Visa. We are planning our next video on this so stay tuned. All the best, Mike and Yvonne.
Hi Shakespeareswingman, not sure who you directing this comment to. Is it to the 52% that voted to leave or the 48% that voted to stay? For the people who wanted to stay in the EU, like us, we find this comment offensive, badly thought out and totally unnecessary. It’s the cake that was taken from us…Our apologies for speaking our minds but that’s how we feel about it. All the best, Mike and Yvonne.
Petition time perhaps. If we get enough subscribers we could submit to UK government to ask Brussels to consider 180/360 for UK passport holders. I understand that the Spanish Tourist Board has sent a request for exactly this to Brussels. It would help if our own Government could do the same. Holding thumbs
Why would the EU give this concession? It would have to apply to all third countries. The US, Canada, Australia etc don't make exceptions. Live with the consequences of your decisions
Well done for providing such a clear overview of what is quite a complex and emotive subject. I moved permanently to the area in 2020 so benefitted from the old arrangements regarding residency. Having said that, I will definitely recommend this video to other people who own property. I am so glad you would still do it again as I absolutely adore Spain and do not have a single regret. All the best to you both! Hasta luego!
10/10.
Thank you so much Andrew for you nice comments and recommending our video to others who may Benefit from it. That’s what it’s all about for us, to recommend and inform others through our experiences. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
Just found your channel very informative thank you ❤
Hi Susan, thanks very much for watching and taking the time to comment. Hope you find plenty more to watch.....this playlist is good for people interested in spending time or living in Spain. czcams.com/play/PLK3oYDMqNX-7xPZHOjJ4osLGal9EVk-uk.html All the best Mike and Yvonne.
Just came across your channel.what a great video. Don’t forget Andorra is not part of the 90/180 - it’s a great place to enjoy for 14 days and to disrupt your 90 day stay ! It’s good value there, stunning views and healthy !
Hi Martin, Andorra is a place we have never been, would love to visit sometime. I never went into detail about travelling in the Schengen area and staying longer than the 90 days but your suggestion of hiding away in a non Schengen country for a few weeks to extend the period would be a good one. We may do that in a future video. Thanks for the info, watching and commenting. Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
@@BetweenTheLakes That’s ok - I have a similar problem to you ! Have fun.
Many thanks for the information & taking your time in sharing it with us. It’s much appreciated 😄
Hi Del, thank you for watching and your nice comments
A few days ago the French Senate and Assemblée Nationale passed a law permitting UK property owners in France to spend 180 days in and 180 days out of France, which changes the equation quite drastically. It means the whole 6 months of winter, or summer, can now be considered. Details are still to be thrashed out, but it is likely Spain will follow this 180 day initiative. My wife and I became residents of France, but if we decide to revert to being non residents, this 180 day block would be most acceptable.
Hi Duncan, yes this would be great if Spain could also manage to get the same result for UK property owners. They are trying and want it to happen so fingers crossed...Thanks for watching and for your information. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
Same calculator i suggested using in a prev video from Stuart (mazzaron) guy when u were interviewed by him about it. Great Video x
Hi Mark, yes it seems to work well although someone has informed me on this video that it can be a little temperamental. I suppose it’s best to double check just in case. Thanks for watching and commenting, all the best, Mike and Yvonne.
Loved the way you explained that, clear and informative. We have a holiday home in La Carihuela Costa Del Sol and have been scratching our heads as to how best to spend our time there.
Hi Carole, thanks for you comment. The calculator is great for working out the time as it is not straightforward when the 180 window is rolling. All the best, Mike and Yvonne
This may not currently apply for UK citizens, but coming from Australia we can actually spend at least 270 days in 12 months in Spain (or many other EU countries). We use the Bilateral Visa-waiver Agreement after the Schengen time runs out. 90-days of Schengen stay, then you may apply for a visa-waiver stay another 3 months (only for one country). After that you must leave the Schengen-zone countries for 90 days, after which you can return for another 90-days Schengen visa.
That sound very interesting Peter, let's hope the UK can adopt a similar agreement. At the moment we haven't got it.
To us, it seems unfair for UK citizens to be Spanish second homeowners and to have to put up with paying all their taxes, and supporting the economy and then have to go back after 90 days and then having to wait another 90 days before they can return to their own property. Lots have reluctantly sold up.
Thanks for watching and your comments. Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
@@BetweenTheLakes I have since found out that Spain no longer is a party to the Bilateral visa-waiver, so we would need to exit to somewhere else like Morocco for 3 months (not too harsh an action) before returning to Spain to continue
Love your vlogs Mike and Yvonne! Thank you for this one... very informative! Me and my husband also hope to retire in Spain in the near future!
Hi Adella, thank you for watching and your nice comment. Best wishes Mike and Yvonne
Good Evening Mike & Yvonne - nice to see you again 😎
Hi Formonthills, Thanks for watching and commenting, Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
I don’t know if you remember me I used to comment on your videos about coming to see my nan I’m Spain last year sadly it didn’t happen just to flight getting cancelled. BUT JUST BOOKED FLIGHT FOR THIS YEAR!!!! hopefully you’ll be out there when we are; we’re going out beginning of august
Hi Charlie, Thanks for watching and commenting. Great news that you are coming this year after a long absence due to covid. We will be there in April and May and again in September till end of November. Hope you have a great time
I used same calculator last year and this year. Had 73 days away the last 6 months of last year in 3 holidays and 33 days so far this year. Hoping Spain will reciprocate and agree to match what we give Spanish when they visit the UK (ie 180 in 360 with poss 180 in one break) Cheers guys !
Hi Mark, Seems we are all on the same wavelength. Hoping that we get a reciprocal agreement to be a little more free with our lengths of stay. The Valencian community want it to happen and are trying to do things so let's keep our fingers crossed. Thanks for watching and commenting. Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
@@BetweenTheLakes Love the channel and love the area u live too x
Great little video Mike and Yvonne.
I think that the Spanish government will come up with a solution. As with all of these agreements, they are never thought through properly and we are the ones who are at the disadvantage.
I would have also still bought in Spain.
It would not have put me off at all.
Well done as always
Thanks David, hope you are well. Yes we are hoping things will change. The Valencian community are keen to get it resolved from what we have seen. So fingers crossed. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
@@BetweenTheLakes yes indeed. I think something will happen, but it may not be for a while as I think Europe has a bit more to worry about right now.
After the last two and a half years for the Covid situation is nothing compared to what is happening in Ukraine. It is truly
Heart breaking.
Stay safe
Sorry, no cherry-picking. The UK is a 3rd country. We need to respect the decisions of the UK people. It's hard to see how Spain can grant a special deal without leaving the Schengen area itself, which it won't do.
We don’t think the British people were told the full story otherwise they wouldn’t have voted the way they did. We voted remain with the other 48 percent so we are entitled to be sore losers especially when we pay our taxes here, and have a second home that we can’t use whenever we want because of it. Thanks for commenting but we do get annoyed by it.
@@BetweenTheLakes I fully understand your frustration and the new inconvenience of being a 3rd country national. It's no different to anyone else from outside the EU/ EEA/ CH. British people were and still are incredibly ignorant about the EU and frankly too many pro-EU voters decided to stay home and watch Eastenders, rather than go out and vote in a critical vote. Wishing you continued success with the channel.
This is a great video! Thanks again Mike and Yvonne!
Thank you Lesley, so pleased you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching, best wishes, Mike and Yvonne
It is interesting. THANKS again Make and Yvonne
Thanks for watching Zoya...
Great video - very helpful and well presented as always .Great idea to use the calculator really useful info. Thank you both very much for putting this together it must take a lot of time and work . Super to have a place in Torrevieja glad you would do it again ...right choice ! keep well Philip
Hi Philip, yes we were not put off by the 90 day rule we love Spain too much. We are supporting an increase to 180 days the same as we give EU. The Valencian community is looking at ways to increase the 90 days so fingers crossed. Thanks for watching and commenting. Best wishes Mike and Yvonne
Great video guys 👍
Thanks Yogi, just seen your pictures, looking good. Lets hope we catch up later this year sometime. All the best, Mike and Yvonne.
Hope you are both well :) really great Vlog, so helpful :)
Hi Patricia, We are both well thank you, hope you are too. Thank you for watching and your nice comment. Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
I would hope that a group be set up in Spain, a kind of peaceful protest group to shed light to the Spanish Government on the unfairness of these 90 a break and then 90 day stay in Spain. WE own a property in Spain, pay our taxes even when not allowed to stay in Spain. Law abiding, spend money on shopping, buying goods for our homes, eating out in Restaurants, the list goes on.
Could or should the question be asked or suggested that home owners be exempt from this law.
Maybe a fee for this right, not a very big fee and therefore make things very fair.
Hi Paul, Happy new year to you and your family.
Yes, we agree 100% and hope that the efforts currently being made by the Spanish Government, headed by the Tourism Minister will prompt something. It does help to contact your local politicians in your area of Spain so they have something to fight our case. There is a Facebook group called 180 days in Spain which have many template letters you can use to do this, they are all downloadable from the group. I think you would be a valuable asset to the group, have a look and see what you think.
(facebook.com/groups/262193501837073) Thanks for watching and your comments, Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
Thank you for another good vlog
Hi Sue, thanks for watching and commenting, best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
cant stop loving that music
Hi Steve, glad you like the music, all the best, Mike and Yvonne
Very informative, really enjoy your videos, keep sharing. 😀 Thank you.
Thanks Maria, best wishes, Mike and Yvonne
Hi , I would be less inclined to show your UK house as it may encourage some unwanted visitors who know you are away in Spain for weeks at a time .. just saying.
Thank you, enjoyed.
Thank you Jo for watching and commenting, all the best, Mike and Yvonne
Thanks for the info 😁
Thanks for watching Julie
Unfortunately a lot of the expat community voted to leave, So yes Its massively restricted our FOM…maybe one day we’ll rejoin 🤞
Hi, thanks for watching and for your comment. I wonder if they knew what they were voting for, All the best Mike and Yvonne.
It saddens me a lot that you cannot enjoy my country as much as you would like.
But it is a reality that is there and against which little can be done.
I think the Spanish government has to resolve this issue. Their treasury will be the beneficiary of all those extra taxes and spending by the British. If you read the 180 days in Spain Facebook group you can see that many Brits have complained to their MP's and all the replies are the same - nothing can be changed, 180 days was not negotiated in the Brexit withdrawal agreement. Britain's economic interest is for us to stay home and spend our money here.
Its up to Spain to come up with a solution; maybe a 180 day tourist visa?
We are hoping for something to happen from the Spanish Government, hopefully a reciporicle agreement the same as what we give all the EU countries in the UK, which is 180 days in 360 instead of 90 days in 180. Yvonne and I would be very happy with that.
@@BetweenTheLakes Probably with the entry into force of ETIAS, that may be feasible.
@@BetweenTheLakes Probably with the entry into operation of ETIAS, that may be feasible.
Hi Yvonne and Mike - as always a great video! - I have question (goes back to an older video of yours) - and it's about the non-resident tax and your experiences related to doing the taxation online. - you mentioned that you had made a video of the process - I can't find it, is it because you reconsidered or am I just not good enough to locate the video :-) ? Br Michael
Hi Michael, Yes we did say we were doing a video on our experience of doing the non resident tax form online. We have the information, we did the forms ourselves but so far we haven’t done the episode. We still plan will do it, and we will do it soon. Events can sometimes change the order in which we do the episodes.
You couldn’t find it because we haven’t done it yet. Sorry for the delay but it will be done soon. Thanks for watching and commenting, best wishes Mike and Yvonne.
Hi Mike And Yvonne thank you for a very informative blog. You sound like you have a plan to get back out and use your time wisely. We are going to have to be organised like yourselves to make the most of our holiday home in the future as we are still working . Just got back home yesterday and the travelling is easier without any testing required so things are getting back to normal slowly. Hope to see you soon in Torrevieja will buy you both a drink.
Annie & Keith
Thanks Annie and Keith, we will be back in April sometime. Waiting to see if our daughter needs any help with her new baby due end of this month. Normally we would be there now. Anyway we may bump into you sometime, you never know. All the best Mike and Yvonne
If the Spanish say no entry does that mean NO Suma NO Electric charge NO Water charge NO Bank charges if we can’t get the country ??? Just asking🤬
Yes, I understand what you are saying and it does seem most unfair
Hi Mike & Yvonne! Being from the Netherlands I don't have any of these restrictions. I can imagine the frustration though if you own property in Spain (or any other European Shengen country). You would have to plan very carefully. It's not fair. I will gladly sign any petition for you to get equal rights!
Thank you so much Janny for your support and understanding of us Brits that did not want to leave the EU. It will not put us off visiting our holiday home. We will have to continue to plan a little more carefully but we will be coming for years to come as we love Spain. Thanks for watching and your nice comments. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
It's not exactly true that you could enter and leave prior to Brexit without restrictions, because after 90 days you should apply for residency.
Yes Andrew I understand that was the case, but From what I understand it was overshadowed by the free movement of people and no one seemed to implement it. It is all very confusing with the European Union and Schengen with some countries in both and some countries in just one. Thanks for watching and commenting, best wishes Mike and Yvonne
Absolutely correct for pointing this out Andrew, I have an Irish passport (non Schengen) but even as an EU citizen if I want to stay longer than 3 months I need Spanish residency - which I now have .The UK was exactly the same before Brexit it was just that it was never enforced at spanish border control so people never bothered to get residency. Its misleading to say its Brexit that changed the rule ,it's not, the rule was always there before Brexit for non Schengen citizens but not enforced. Freedom of movement as an EU citizen does not and never did give you the right to stay longer than 3 months in Spain.
@@BetweenTheLakes perhaps a foot note or edit to this video would be a good idea re my note below and Andrews comment above if you want it to be factually correct - good video all the same, I have used the shengen calc many times for my wife (UK passport) before she also got residency
@@colmcd8143 Thanks for your input. It has always been a bit of a grey area to me the way that, before Brexit, the rule was never enforced. I’m sure you are right but nobody did anything did they…Thanks for commenting. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
@@colmcd8143 the rule was always there but it was never enforced towards Brits. It was enforced if you were from a 3rd country and I know that as a matter of fact. So Brexit did change the enforceability of the rule as now the UK is a third country
Hi Mike & Yvonne. That was really interesting thanks. We’ve a holiday home in Sucina not far from Torrevieja. We’re both still working for the next two years so the 90 days don’t affect us yet. Hopefully after this awful situation in the Ukrainian 🇺🇦 settles down and we some sort of peace and normality we can start talking with the EU again about the 90 day rule? Can’t Europeans come to the U.K. for 180 days? Take care cheers Stevie x
Hi Stevie, yes we give the EU six months in 12 months. It would be nice for them to give us the same. We will wait and see what happens, as you say the Ukraine situation will overshadow everything for quite a while now, as kit should of course. Thanks for watching, all the best, Mike and Yvonne
Another byproduct of the 180/12 rule is the higher risk of squatting (Okupas). Unlike the UK, there is no real protection for private owners in Spain as they law support Okupas. Should you be in that situation, expect to get your house back in about 12 months. Another video on this?
Hi JM, it's a very emotive subject and, we think would be better covered by an expert in law. We could only give our experience and personal view which would be much like most other people. It seems grossly unfair that a property owned by someone who leaves it empty for any length of time could be open to "attack" by these mostly undesirable people and not be able to remove them if they remain undetected for more than 48 hours. This is really all we know about it and maybe, one day we will research and tackle it. Thanks for watching and best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
Nobody is retiring to Spain anymore, the non reciprocated 90vs180 day rule is typical of the UK not looking after it’s own people. Portugal is welcoming British people with dedicated immigration lanes a stamp free entry. Why would they want to discourage their best customers.
Hi Michael, it's interesting about Portugal. There is lots of work being done to try and change this. The Valencian authorities are keen for a change in the current situation as they know British non-resident property owners are feeling victimised especially when they voted to remain in the EU. But unfortunately that's how it is now. We love Spain so we are doing our best to just get on with it as best we can and hope there will be something to make things better for us.
Thanks for watching and your comment. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
Thanks for another informative video.
I heard today (on the grapevine, so I cannot vouch for its authenticity) that Portugal are refusing to stamp UK passports as they want to attract UK tourism.
if this is correct, then, theoretically, it may be possible to fly into Portugal then travel onward to spain without the incumbrance of the 90 day rule.
worthy of more investigation.
Hi David, wow that's interesting, not heard anything. As you say would be a good way in and out if it is correct. Worth further investigation for sure. All the best Mike and Yvonne.
That's not true. They are stamping the passports. Every passport leaving and entering the Schengen Area is scanned anyway, so they know where and when you entered the area and when you left.
yep my friend because of brixt inow have to be pack house on the fly with 100 kg wieght because even get uk gov form in to Austria is 6 weeks because of brixt it not like it use to be turn up start work i get lots of brixt paperwork i have the basic paperwork but 66 million people had vote if i had work one year with out this nightmare ! i now have sti 2 week in class to re do my uk work qualification in full on Germany because of 66 million people have say over my life so i no wot your talk about
Hi Andrease, yes, big changes since BREXIT and lots of people affected in many different ways, work-wise and leisure-wise.
We are hoping for a change in the 90/180 rule but we are not holding our breath. Thanks for watching and for your comment, best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
I dont think spain should bend to the uk .they wanted out and out it is,
Hi Heidi, yes I understand that. It’s a shame for the 48 percent of the UK that voted to stay. It was a big shock to us when the other 52 percent voted to leave. We are stuck with it for now. We can only hope the people who bought property in Spain and pay all their taxes and community fees, electric and bank fees etc. before Brexit may sometime in the future be able to visit when ever they like. We will live in hope. As we said in the episode we love Spain and it’s people. Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
@@BetweenTheLakes plus all the lazy ones, that could not even been bothered to go and vote!!
Hi Mike and Yvonne me and my wife are planning on moving to the Costa Blanca next year, we are coming out this year and staying two weeks in Cabo Roig to look round the surrounding areas of La Zenia, Playa Flamenca Villa Martin etc, could you recommend any good areas that have a good ex pat community as we are very social people.
Hi Smashing Iron, thanks for watching and commenting. We can only speak with confidence about the areas we know and have spent time in. We have spent time in the Playa Flamenca and La Zenia areas which we believe have a substantial British ex-pat community. So have Ciudad Quesada, San Luis and El Chaparral which are a little nearer where we are. We would always say have a good look around yourselves and spend time seeing if you like what you see well enough to commit to that area full time. That's exactly what we did and it took us several trips and many estate agents before we decided on where we are now. Have you seen our episode on buying in Spain: czcams.com/video/vBll7m-aOz4/video.html
Thanks for watching and commenting, all the best with your search. Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
@@BetweenTheLakes thanks for the reply yes I’ve seen your buying in Spain clip, I’ve also been in contact with sun lawyers apparently I will get charge tax in Spain on my uk property if I sell my house in the uk and then buy in Spain, I have to wait 185 days before buying so I’m going to rent over there first. Are you going to be over in July could meet up for a drink 😁🍺
@@mckenna1976 Hi Smashing Iron, Yes renting first would be a good way of finding the right spot to make your permanent move. We are going in April but we come back to the UK for July and August then back in September. This year has been different because our daughter is expecting our 6th grand child so we are stopping longer to help out. We'll be back in September for a good few weeks so if you're around then let us know. All the best, Mike and Yvonne.
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Hello Philip, thanks for watching and saying hello. Best wishes, Mike and Yvonne.
We all need to leave the European Union.
Hi MrHotAss81, thanks for watching...The UK did leave the EU at 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020 (00:00 1 February 2020 CET) not sure where you are from but we unfortunately left it.
I want to become a Spanish resident and citizen.
Hi Philip, Thanks for watching, there are many visas to get residency. The favourite on especially for people retiring to Spain is the Non Lucrative Visa. We are planning our next video on this so stay tuned. All the best, Mike and Yvonne.
💋... Sadly...Can't have the cake and eat it too....👠
Hi Shakespeareswingman, not sure who you directing this comment to. Is it to the 52% that voted to leave or the 48% that voted to stay?
For the people who wanted to stay in the EU, like us, we find this comment offensive, badly thought out and totally unnecessary. It’s the cake that was taken from us…Our apologies for speaking our minds but that’s how we feel about it. All the best, Mike and Yvonne.
Petition time perhaps. If we get enough subscribers we could submit to UK government to ask Brussels to consider 180/360 for UK passport holders. I understand that the Spanish Tourist Board has sent a request for exactly this to Brussels. It would help if our own Government could do the same. Holding thumbs
We would be happy to sign it. Whatever helps is very welcome
Why would the EU give this concession? It would have to apply to all third countries. The US, Canada, Australia etc don't make exceptions. Live with the consequences of your decisions
Another Brexit benefit 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 well done England)))
thanks for watching